April 7, 2025 • 47 mins
What do the Houston Cougars basketball team, the Rockets and the Texans have in common? The Texans Radio Crew discussed this and a whole lot more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's happening everybody? Happy Championship Monday. That's right, Who's house?
Koog's house National Championship tonight. You hear that right here
at Sports Radio six ten, our buddy Kevin Coogler have
the Westwood one call tonight for the Houston Cougars taking
on the Florida Gators. This is Texans All Access. But
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we love our Koogs and we are very, very proud
of them. John Harris alongside Mark Vandermin Mark that on
Saturday was one of the great wins I will say
in Houston sports history, what the Koogs did against the
Duke Blue Devils.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I like the immediate Texans tie in with Kevin Kugler. Yeah,
how about that calls our preseason TV broadcasts with you
and the booth and Indie Kalou and you guys are back,
Yeah for a run it back year. We went with
that three man booth last year and Shelby Coppage on
the sideline.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
So that's cool stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
So I like that tie and right there and of
course Andre Ware, our radio color commentator, Yeah, who is awesome.
And by the way, I did it again this weekend.
Somebody who's asking me about Andrea or something about his role,
and I said color commentator, and they thought it was
some kind of race thing. God like, No, it's color
to the broadcast. He provides color. This is not a
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race that my gosh, Really, we still need to educate
people on this. But anyway, Andre obviously proud Koog Hall
of Famer, college Football Hall of Famer, Heisman Trophy winner,
didn't play basketball at the University of Houston, but maybe
he could have.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Could have.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
He was drafted in baseball and he's a hell of
a basketball player in his day and still could probably
shoot the Jay.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Let's just yeah, he could.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Hear, but he's fired up for this one. Everybody's fired
up for this one tonight, Johnny. I'm excited about it.
I love the comeback. I love that it was Duke because,
let's just face it, Duke is kind of like they're
almost Yankee like in college basketball. Yeah, they have a
lot of fans who are never going to set foot
on that campus, that's right, But they're Duke fans. And
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then they have a lot of fans that hate their guts.
So it's a love hate thing. You either love him
or you hate them. And I don't like them at all,
all right, They've had players that I've admired and liked.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I liked Bobby Hurley a little bit, did not like Latner.
I kind of felt not as bad as the Fab
five felt about him.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I mean sometimes you see that, you know, sequence of
little interview snippets from.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
The thirty to thirty, and they use it as a me. Yeah,
I'm not gonna say what they say, but it's really good. Jimmy,
Jimmy Keys, he's a bee. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
But the thing was, as they've grown older, they realized,
oh yeah he was a beat in a different way,
like he was a tough bee.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I tweeted this jokingly. Later would have made the shot.
Later would have made the shot to Roberts, He would
have made the turner, the flag shot. Yeah, the flag shot.
That was a pretty weak shot in that look. It's
easier for me to say, I'm on my couch in
that hit the rim. Hit the above part of the rim,
not the front of the rim.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
If you're gonna missed that shot, that SHOT's gonna be
on the rim, Right, it's gotta have a ch chants
to go completely sure, no chance, completely short, And I
get it's a touch shot, fade away with a contested hand.
But you gotta do better than that. Okay the call.
Didn't like the call either, but liked it for the Kougs.
And guess what, Duke, you had your chance get the.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Ball in bounds. We can't draw up. What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I watched Florida the game before Florida was playing. Why
am i john to blank Auburn? And Florida gets a lead,
and so Florida's now got to get the ball out
against heavy full court pressure. Florida puts all five guys.
I saw it like they're five guys lined up in
the run and shoe.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
I loved it. And somebody got open.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
It was like, hike, yeah, everybody goes listen stealing that
rous rub routes.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I mean it was awesome. I'm like, that is fantas
and somebody got open.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
I'm coaching that. I'm coaching a youth league team right now.
I'm stealing that for an inbounds because you know what,
you could run crossers.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yes, and Florida Riley just picks an open guy. Who
was it?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
The was the Pacers? I think the Pacers were playing
in knicks. It could be somebody. I can't remember, but
the Pacers were playing somebody. It was back in February.
Is February March, and it was at the end of
the game, and they did a similar inbounds play, but
it was from the side court. It wasn't full quarter,
so the side court, but they did something similar and
they literally ran like a little switch route. Yeah, and
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Halliberg and gets the ball, got an open three look
at the end to win the game. And I mean,
I've always said sports feed sports, but yeah, Duke and
I thought this right after the game. You know, Duke
gagged it. Duke gagged a fourteen point leading nine minutes left.
They gagged a six point lead with thirty five seconds
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left or whatever it was after Nipple hit the free
throw with the Joseph Tugler techno file.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
By the way, I used to do that. I used
to be the inbounds thrower.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
I used to be the guy always inbounding the ball
because I could always find a guy coach trusted me.
But I would as soon as I got the ball,
I would place the ball in front of me, just
like I'm holding a platter. Yeah, And I just would
do it real quick, just to see if somebody would
touch it. I got them three times as a senior
oh Un Senior High school. I got them three times,
and I literally would they would reach over. I dropped
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the ball, and I'd walk to the free throw line
and I would force the raft to have to you.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Know, it's all technical foul. It's a technical technical foul.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
And so I think Tugler was just kind of scrambling
to stay with with James. I think who was starting
to ball in and then you just out of panic
can kind of reach out. It's instinct, and so I
would do it just a regular old inboundstrow. I would
take the ball. Yeah, I would steal a possession. I
steal a point, and then I would go shoot the
technical or my friend Mac would shoot it.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
And we'd make it. At one point.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
What's the football equivalent of can't get the ball in bounds,
can't get a third and inches and then it's fourth
in inches.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
I mean, there's really no equivalent. I think it's yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I think it's almost like you get nine yards on
first down, second and one can't get it, third and
one can't get it fourth and one.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Oh yeah, it's first. It's first to goal. With the one.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Right, it's like first of goal with the one, especially
that late in the game, and you just can't get
it in.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
It's goal line stand time. It's they gotta take a
time out, and then you gotta take another time out.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
What was it the Auburn or Floorida game where it
was like there were four point six seconds it was
that close to a throw in she could have gotten.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Uh oh yeah, yeah, oh.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I thought it was like four point nine or yeah,
four point five to nine. It was like really really close.
And I mean I didn't know that they could do that.
I didn't they could time it. But either way, the
Kugs went and snatched that game for but you couldn't
review that.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
They were just doing it for your viewing pleasure. I
don't think you can review. I think that's right.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
I think if you I thought they said it first,
you could and then I said later on that you couldn't.
But the Kugs went and took that ball game they
had been and I think this is this is something
that I think a lot of coaches they kind of
miss in a sense, do get plenty. We have opportunities.
Throughout the last three months of the year. They didn't
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play close game from like November or something on. You
know what John Shire should have done. He should have
manufactured in the close game at the end of a game,
he should have manufactured one.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
I mean the pups, guys. I know it's hard to listen.
I know it's hard. I get it.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
But you at least should have gotten into a situation
where one time you had to just let it play
to a close game, well I'll top you.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Instead of that, or in addition to or whatever, manufacture
a situation where it's hard to get the ball in pounds. Yeah,
because that's really I'm not gonna say all they had
to do, but it's kind of all they had to do.
If they don't get it stolen where you had the
miss three and then to put back slam, well they're
going to the line and maybe it's game over at
that point.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Maybe maybe because.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
The sharp three with thirty one seconds to go, is
that what it was? Yeah, the sharp three thirty three
second was the game changer. That was because it goes
from six to three all of a sudden, Oh my gosh,
one procession game stealing a bucket.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
And is tied.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
That's a heightening up of the certain medical area situation
for this exactly right, and going back and watching Duke
attempt to get the ball and bounds.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
It was a guy throwing the ball in bounds and
there were two guys working, I say in air quotes
to get open.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
That's it. You can't have that.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I know, maybe you don't want Malowatts to shoot free throws,
always got a pretty good stroke, or maybe you don't
want Procter or whomever, but that should be an all
five guy endeavor to get the ball in especially against
that defense.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Exactly against those guys.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
But what I loved so much about the Koogs and
then here's why I'm gonna tie it into the Texas
and I want your thoughts on this. So as I'm
watching Friday night, the Rockets had beat the breaks off
the thunder at home and they gave up one hundred.
But that's a Rockets defense that I think Seth said
today in the month of March, it's like third in
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the league in defense, Like they could choke you out
with length and athletes. I mean, between I'm and Thompson
and Jalen Green out be inside Dylan Brooks. Just the
feistiness that they play with defensively, when they win, they
play defensively that way. The Kugs play like this all
the time. Yeah, well, it's all the station. They they
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don't mind holding the bully down on the playground with
a foot on the throat and say try and breathe,
but we're not gonna let you up.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
And then I think about the Texans in a sense
with the defense they have, Like these teams can win
championships with defense, but when they get the offensive components
working with it, that's when they can go win the
big one. That's when they go win the championship. That's
what's put to Cougarer seais Cougari's played defense like this
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for a while, but they didn't have guys who could
score the ball. They couldn't shoot. Now they've got sharp
hitting that big three. They've got l J. Cryer who
went nuts knocking down threes. They could shoot. They can score. Now,
they're not gonna score Loyal Marrymount nineteen ninety version, but
they're gonna score sixty five seven. And they got defense
enough to choke you out for I mean, Duke got
the sixty six and.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
They just said that it's enough.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
You don't little goes a long way right, because the Texans,
you get a little better on offense, right, and you
play defense as well as they're capable.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Right now, you got something, And.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
That's why I think the Texas and the Cougars are
pretty similar that way. The Rockets have built in offensive
players like they got. They have offensive scoring. I don't
worry about that. I don't think they're as much like
gonna squeeze you out, but they can keep Like last
night against the Warriors, they shut Curry down like They've
got defensive pieces that can go one on one against you,
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Like I'm and Thompson going against Steph Curry and just
shutting him down, which is rare.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
I mean, I don't know how many times Curry has
had three points in a game. That was incredible. They
have defensive players that can frustrate you.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I don't know if they have them all the way
across the board, but the Rockets have a better offensive game.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
They could score one hundred on anybody. Well.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
It shows you also the difference between the three sports
college college basketball, pro basketball, and pro football, because pro
football seventeen games, but even in pro football, it is
hard to maintain the kind of defensive intensity that Demico
is seeking week in, week out. It is tough, but
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it's more doable than you know, pro basketball, where you
have eighty two games. It's crazy of load management issues possibly,
But to me, the test for the Rockets is going
to be the postseason where everybody turns it up several notches,
both sides of the ball, half court game, all that stuff,
the execution. I think their defense is going to serve
them so well.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
There.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
For the Cougars, obviously you're seeing it right now they're
in the National Championship game. But the Texans Johnny we
sat here in this studio, who was the player. Maybe
you remember somebody actually used a basketball analogy. They said,
it's like a basketball team. We're just going after people.
We're just you know, it's like full court press. Demiko
says it too in that he doesn't use the word basketball,
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but he says, we're gonna get after you. We're just
gonna fly after you. If you miss, you know, shoot
your shot. If you miss, somebody else is gonna pick
you up. Right, that's it. We're gonna come after you.
We're gonna send waves after you. But they kind of
liken it to pressure trapping everybody swarm.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
You know that the Cougar swarm. They swarm in basketball language. Yeah,
And you know the Texans.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
The Texans don't do a lot of blitzing, like to me,
blitzany know, a lot of blits heavy.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
It feels like it. But they don't.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
They don't do a ton of blitzing, which to me,
the analogous the analogous situation in basketball would be like
full court press, things like that. But the Texans are
so good with the four guys. They bring off the
edge in the rush. When they play run defense, everybody
is flowing. It's kind of the way the Cougars will
will play pick and roll or will they'll play high screens.
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They'll they'll switch screens, you know, will take their Juwan
Roberts will go on a point guard and stay with them.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
They're just all encompassing.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Like they'll trap off a damn ball screen and you're
like guard center, going how did I get in a
big little trap like this?
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Like how do I get out of this? So I
feel like they're they're very they're similar.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
The way the Coug's play basketball and waey the Texas
play football.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
I feel like it's very similar.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
And I feel like what we have said and what
you said a little while ago, if the Texans can
just get offense, maybe not to match the level of defense,
but to just be effective in what it is that
we do and whatever that's gonna be under Nick Cayley,
that's the type of team that can win a championship.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
And we always said it about the Coogs and basketball.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Look, you know they're gonna lock you up defensively because
Kelvin's gonna get guys that you know, you've see We've
seen that drill on TV.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
It's on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
It was on the the pregame show of the n
C Double abountment to the day that rebound drew where
the ball goes up there three guys and they beat
the hell out of each other going for the basketball,
like they're always gonna be that. You're always gonna have
to conquer that, And I feel like that's gonna be here.
You're always gonna have to if you're gonna beat this team,
you're gonna have to conquer one of the better defenses,
the grittiest, the swarmiest defenses in the league.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
You're gonna have to do that.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
But it's gonna be all that much more difficult if
our offense is up there scoring twenty to thirty points
a game and doing it relatively consistently, because now you're
trailing in a game. Now you're letting our guys eat.
It's like playing the Coups. It's like if you if
they get a lead on you and you've got to
go score, and they're just vice scripping you to death.
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Like hopefully they'll do tonight to Florida. But it's gonna
be a different challenge, definitely a different challenge. You get
a lot of different ways they could score the ball
on you. But Walter Clayton Junior is one of my favorites,
and I hate the fact that the Coups have gotta
lock him up tonight. But if he's not scoring tonight,
if they're doing a good job on him, it's gonna
be really tough for Florida to be Houston really take.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Before the tournament started, I picked Florida to win the tournament. Yeah,
Florida's my pick too. Now I'm hoping I'm wrong about that.
You too, Me too.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
I picked that to win the tournament because I thought
that they were just a really balanced physical They had
everything going that's right.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Bigs are good. Yeah, they can shoot it. They've got athletes.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
By the way, Elijah Martin's punch, I swear, I don't
think I've ever jumped off the couch like watching a game.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Have you missed it?
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Elijah Martins number fifteen for Florida. He played it for
FAU a couple of years ago. Here at the Final four,
he got a steal and punched it on two Armorn Tigers.
I mean he put it right on their dome. Just
I mean I jumped off the cow like you could
hear Raftery when he dunked it. He's like, oh, like,
I've never heard Raftery get that excited.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
It was awesome.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
So Florida can match athlete for athlete in this one,
There's no question.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
But this will be a great test.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Normally we don't talk about this, but I happened to
see when I was in the cafeteria this morning on
the screen the over under for this game, and it
was one forty and change, not one for one, but
like one forty point something.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
You know.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
It was the other night Ni Koog's Dude game. Remember
what the score was? Was the score seventy to sixty seven.
Do the quick math on that was it one? It
was one thirty six and a half. No, it was
one thirty six.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
People were, oh no, that's what can you believe that
thirty seven?
Speaker 2 (16:18):
That's the problem with this because somebody's got free throws
at the end, somebody's down, they're fouling, you know, you're
switching some free throws, and all of a sudden it
goes over so many reasons, But that one forty not
that I wouldn't. I don't do the dark arts, as
Sean Pendergass would say.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
But I looked at that.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
I thought, hmm, this seems like a defensive game. This
see this feels like sixty nine sixty seven tonight. You know,
you know too how it goes in college basketball the
Monday game after playing two emotional games on Saturday. Yeah,
these guys are gas Like.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
I've watched so many documentaries of championship teams over the years,
and they talk about this Monday night game and how
tired they are in that game.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
How exhausted it is. But it's April seventh, right.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
A long season. But on top of that, you played
this emotional game on Saturday. Both teams, both teams at
one had to really have a lot of emotional intelligence
just keeping their minds in the game. And I'll stressful
that part gets and then less than forty eight hours later,
you've got to play in a national championship game where
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the lights are the brightest and and you're playing that
big dome and all that kind of stuff. So I
would tend to think. I tend to think this is under.
But that's why I like the Kugs. If it is
under and Flora's not scoring, I think Houston can win
this game. So forty one years the last time the
Cooks played in a National championship game. That was my first.
It was my first year in Houston. Houston played Georgetown. Yeah,
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it was my first year, and I just remember the
excitement of five slam agem. In fact, that got my
five slama jam. I'm sure don't check it out. Mark.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
How about represent represent for the Kooks to night. It's
gonna be fun.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
And it's funny because I've always thought about this guy
that I used to when I did.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
My overnight show, the guy that came on after me.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
His guy named Steve Saban on Radio Sure and Zabe
always he has his al e theory, always leave early theory,
and I've never I've never liked that because I just
feel like you're gonna miss out on something. Like I'd
rather watch a game and then wait and let all
the traffic go and then go after the traffic. He
has his always leave early theory, like he never stays
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to watch the end of the game.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
More like him. Yeah, I had to admit it, but
I am I.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I'm the other way because I'm like, you know, if
I stick around, I might see something I've never seen before.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Yeah, and I'd rather be able to do that.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Now in the world of DVRs and all that kind
of about concerts, I don't go to concerts much, but
I figure, I figure, if I've heard all the songs
I want to hear, I'll go.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
I'm not one I concerts are a little different.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
But I when it was fourteen, I was doing my
actually was doing my son's laundry because I was getting
nervous watching the game. I was doing my son's laudry. Now,
I was literally like, do I turn this off? And
I thought no, because what am I? What else am
I doing tonight? Yeah, I'll just leave this on credit
roll and see what happens, and I'll just do his laundry.
And as I'm doing his laundry, they're they're chipping back
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away and they got that sequence where they made a
bucket and then they called the technical foul on eighteen Gillis.
They hit the technical free throw and scored again. I
think that was like a five or six point turnaround.
We're one from fourteen down to eight or nine. Yeah,
and it was like, okay, they're back in this.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
When it's singles, you're like, all right, maybe maybe a
couple of minutes left. Inside two minutes you're in singles,
you know, three here, magical steal there, And that's.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Exactly what happened. Yeah, here's the other thing I thought
of two.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
When it was sixty seven sixty one, there was a
minute left, And this goes back to the thought of
du not playing in close games versus Houston have played
in a bunch of close games. Iron Eagle, Bill Raftery
and Grant Hill both made mention of the fact that
with about a little minute left and up and down six,
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Houston played defense. They didn't foul, they didn't get into
a foul game. Yeah, they played defense. And they all
questioned like, do you think Houston should be doing this?
And actually turned out it was perfect that they were
I think it. I think that's almost textbook though. If
you're a good defensive team.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Right, it's got to be you would think you got
to get a miss, get the rebound, go get a score, get.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
A bucket, and I start fouling it. But it's a
little bit closer at that point. But they didn't. But
they were kind of incredulous to the fact that Kelvin
decided to go ahead and play it out. And I
promise you there has been a game in which Kelvin
did that during the season. They didn't panic, they played defense,
They got to stop sharp, hit the three, then they
got to steal, and all of a sudden, it's a
one point game and Duke's got to go down and
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do something. And that's where obviously, you know, flag gets
the foul, et cetera. But I thought that was another
moment where Kelvin won't get a lot of credit for that.
But they were incredulous about it. They were like, nah,
well this should it be foul? And they were kind
of asking the question, and I remember thinking, look, a
minute doesn't sound like a whole lot when you're down six,
But so much can happen, as we saw, so much
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can happen in that minute if you just get that
stop there, go down and put a get a bucket
up on a board A two or three, and now
all things can go crazy.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
And that's exactly It's exactly what happened.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
And I wonder, I've thought about this, and I wonder,
I wish somebody will ask this to Kevin Samson down
the road. I wonder if they had talked about a
situation like that, how they wanted to play it out,
so that was gonna be kind of their formula down
to stretch, like no, no, no, let's let's force them
to have to go down and make a bucket against
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us like they.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Had they talked through or had been through that situation
throughout the year.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
That helped them because they look totally comfortable in that moment,
down six with a minute left, playing defense, kept playing hard.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Oh, they kept playing as hard as they possibly could,
you know, and back to like football equivalents, and the
translation from game to game, this goes back to you're
an outside kick territory. But I'm not going to say
it's easier in basketball, you still depend on the opponent
to miss free throws, to mis execute very often when
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you're in the foul game, obviously you're depending on them
to miss free throws.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
But getting steals.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
How many times you watch basketball, We've all watched it
all March and before that, where you're thinking, well, if
they get a steal and this, and you know, but
they got steals. Yeah, so it all worked out that way.
It's it's funny to watch it that way. And I
go back to how come they didn't want the fourth
and fifteen or fourth and twenty play? They didn't even
want to consider it, right, did you consider it? I
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think because they just don't want to give the ball
to somebody. Here's the ball. It doesn't matter what the
down and distance. It would be all right, going to
hear it. Yeah, go, I don't think Roger Goodell wants it,
but he does want what does he do?
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Wants a toush push?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Gone, he wants to to push the vote got tabled. Yeah,
and that's why the vote from the outside kick never
even made it to the vote.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
And he does want divisional winner not necessarily getting a
home playoff game. They playoff game, but he wants a
best record team or the team with the better record
to be able to host like Minnesota would have this
past season.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I mean maybe the charge the Chargers would have. Right
the Chargers, Well, they'll host us this year. It's just
a matter of where that happens.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Well, by the way, before we forget tomorrow, yesday, six
o'clock BMW West. So that's Katie Freeway heading west right
before Grand Parkway, so outbound feeder BMW West. We will
be there live. Yeah, we're giving away a Nico Collins
signed helmet. So Nico signed this helmet for so real.
It's not a mini helmet, it's a helmet. It's a
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helmet helmet and Will Anderson Junior official NFL football game ball.
Will Anderson Junior signed it and Nico Collins side the helmet.
We will give those away on site BMW West tomorrow
as we do a live show on Texans Radio Sports
Radio six ten, six o'clock Tuesday, ibfw wes Houston.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
See us there.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
We have been out at the Woodlands. We were over
in the Sharpstown area. Now we're going out to Katie.
So get on out those the last few years, So
get on out there and join us. The Titans have
canceled a private workout. I've got questions with one of the.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Most polarizing prospects in this draft.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
What does it tell us and what does Drew Doherty's
mock draft survey tell us about what the Texas might
do at twenty five.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
We'll discuss that next on Texans All Access. What's Happened? Everybody?
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Welcome back to Monday edition of Texans All Access Sean
Harris alongside the voice of the Texans Mark Van Muir.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Mark.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
The news out of Nashville is that Colorado quarterback Shadeur
Sanders and the Titans agreed to cancel a private workout
for Shadeur Sanders.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Now, A your gut reaction, B what does it mean?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Well, you know that so they have the number one
picks one to the driver's seat. So if they love
cam Ward, go ahead and take cam Ward. However, however,
I would still want to meet with Shadior Sanders.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
You know why, Johnny, I think you can. I think
they're meeting with him, but they're just not working him out. Well,
I want to work him out.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I want to spend as much time as possible with
him and watch him do whatever I can watch him do, right,
I want him to do everything because I need to
know about this guy. I need to further evaluate. You
might think you know everything there is to know, yep,
but do you? Because look how many teams have been
wrong about players. Maybe Shador Sanders, is Jaden Daniels or CJ.
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Stroud in his rookie year. Maybe he's all of that.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Maybe he's not.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
He's probably not, but he could be. And maybe cam
Ward is not as good as you think. And this
is not strange territory. We've seen it play out in
real life many times, and it's not like cam Ward
is this generational prospect.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
You might turn out to be the greatest quarterback ever.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
But we all know pre draft how people feel about
these players and how things turn out. Very often and
very often they're wrong about players. If you could redraft
last year right now, there's nobody in their right mind
taking Caleb Williams over Jaydeon Daniels.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Correct, nobody correct? All right, Bryce Young over CJ. Stroud.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I know that Bryce is doing better lately than he
did previously, but nobody's taking Bryce Young over c J.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Stroud. Nobody right?
Speaker 2 (26:37):
So, and Anthony Richardson, who went fourth overall in the
Stroud draft. I mean, there's nobody's taking Anthony Richardson fourth.
No chance, probably not in the first round, no chance,
zero chance in a redraft. And I can come up
with example, and hey, Caleb Williams might not go in
for the bow Nicks at this point. And I'm not
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saying Caleb Williams is done. I still think Caleb Williams
can turn out to be a really good player. But hey,
this is very interesting to see how guys play in
the league versus what you thought they would be like
prior to the draft. So my take on the Titans
is me, what shador Sanders and work them out, get
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all the information you could possibly get. It's too important
to not take advantage of the opportunity. Thoughts, what if
Schanur and Dion said nah? What if they were the
ones that said no? And then but we'll let you
guys say it was your idea.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Or you know, say it was a mutual idea or whatever.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
See, and I think I'm that great. I want to
work out for them. I want to force the narrative.
I want to drive up my market and my potential
at least the illusion of it by saying, hey, I
worked out for the Titans too, because Johnny was just
a few months ago, right after the regular season in
college football, where all right, we thought is kem Ward
not you? But a lot of people said Shador might
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be the number one quarterback, right cam Ward, he's climbing
the charts, right, This is all just perception, right, So
what happened, Well they took a closer look. You know,
cooler heads prevailed whatever. But if I'm Shadur, I want
to push the issue.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yeah, I mean I if I'm them, I would, I
would pursue the issue.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
I mean, I feel like the words.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
We had, all the information we needed came out or
was mentioned, and I thought, yeah, okay, I kind of
understand that, you know, are you wasting people's time if
you know that it's cam Ward or you're telling basically
the world that it's cam Ward in Tennessee over Shador Sanders.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
And I guess, you know, I guess maybe if you
feel like you have all that information.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
But I just feel like when you sit down in
a private setting with a draft prospect, I just feel
like there's so much more you can learn. I'd feel
like there's so much more you can learn when you
basically take the helmet off these guys and you're like, yo,
what okay, so much more that you start finding out
about these particular players. I mean it, It happens just
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as I'm doing all my you know, research for these guys,
and you're like, whoa like uh take, for instance, gosh,
dang it, oh uh Charles Grant, Charles Grant's offense tackle
prospect from William and Mary. Okay, long athletic Texans. I
think have had him here for a thirty visit. If
I've I've seen that correctly. He is He's just he's
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just a dude on the field. He is a complete
and total dude. But he played for Bill and Mary.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
But he played for William and Mary.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
And that always is is something that that is gonna
is gonna be an issue for people maybe in this building,
maybe people because maybe fans, because they know that Nick
doesn't take guys from uh, from those different schools.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
But then I'm reading on Charles Grant.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Listen to this, so he's all, you know, All American,
first of All America and this year second All American,
second team All American in twenty twenty three. What's William
and Mary donated bone marrow in the spring of twenty
three for a twenty nine year old with Hodgkins lymphoma,
underwent seven hour non surgical procedure to donate stem cells.
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Grant signed up to help increase the odds of people
of African American descent to find a donor match. Wow, Like,
those are the things that I think you start uncovering
when you start just talking to people, when you start
interviewing them. That was That's one of many that I've
kind of uncovered, you know, just kind of along the way.
(30:38):
But I had read that when I was starting my
study on Grant back in the summer, and then.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
I read it again kind of a more in a
longer story about it, and.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
It basically it was kind of a team initiative that
they had come up with and Grant was one of
those that he was a match and they ended up
doing it. So it's like, those are things that I
think in an interview setting you'd like to be able
to know, right right, I'd love to be able to
know that, because to me, that's pretty damn swarmy right
there when you do something like that, For somebody potentially
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you don't.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Even know who it is. Yeah, that's special. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
So, I mean that's one of the things I think
in an interview setting that you you can you can
get now, can you get that information?
Speaker 3 (31:23):
I didn't interview Charles Grant to get that information.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
But if Charles Grant came in here for an interview
and just sat with the two of us and we
talked to him about that situation, we could get a
little bit more in depth information other than well he
just did this being a donor.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Well, plus you get the sense of him. Right, it's
a conversation as body language, aslutely.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Yeah, there's all that stuff. All right.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I have the draft order in front of me. You
tell me who's gonna draft Shador Sanders, Okay, give me,
give me a not a rating, but your thoughts. Okay,
to Titan's pick number one. They'll take cam Ward Browns. No, Giants,
I wouldn't They're not going to. I don't think they're
going to either.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
I doubt it. Patriots no, Jacksonville No, Oh, wouldn't that
be funny? Oh yeah yeah, yeah, yea, yeah, yeah yeah yeah,
come on, Jack, come on, Jacks do it? That would
be fantastic. Uh no to Jacksonville Raiders. Maybe No, I
know they just signed Geno Smith and that's actually my conference.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Sure, Sanders, I could see the Raiders doing this back
in the Big twelve media days when Diana Shuduur were
doing interviews. We actually were in a llegial stadium and
when he was asked about, you know, the NFL and
moving on Dion because apparently she door didn't watch enough NFL,
apparently he told me.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Deal was asking.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Yeah, I think the Raiders would be a good spot
because at the time, Antonio Pearce's head coach. They had
Gardner Minshew and Aidan O'Connell, and I think they looked
at it as man, just step right in and be
ready to go. They had DeVonta Adams at the time.
But I think the Raiders make some sense at six.
I don't think they're gonna do it, no way. I
don't think they just two years and they have other
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needs to I don't see it. You want to get
competitive fast, you don't do it by by drafting. Just
get to number seven the Jets. In my draft, that's
where I put him. I put him to the Jets.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
So there's a chance, A chance, Panthers, No, No, Saints,
yes chance.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Apparently the Saints have been doing a lot of work
on Sanders a ton. They sent their quarterback coach and
OC I believe.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
To his pro day. They have done a lot of work.
And number nine feels okay.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
I could sit behind Derek Carr learn a Kellen Moore offense,
take over it pretty quickly if it yeah, and be
the case, and the Saints become must watch at that
point to see what story is going to do.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
So I think the Saints make a lot of sense
at nine. Jets and Saints possibilities.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Bears, no Niners.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
But if he gets past, if he gets past, the
Saints go with the list because now you start butting
your your head up against ten Bears, no.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Eleven Niners, No, no Cowboys, no Dolphins, no Colts, no
doubt it, no way.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
But I did see in fact that I can't remember.
I think I saw it on Twitter. Maybe it was
on a McFee show. That on the board on the
odds board in Vegas. Now it's a pretty big number,
it's like twenty five to one. But the Colts take
schnor Sanders. Now I know Chris Ballard fairly well, Chris
(34:27):
Baalard is not drafting Shugar Sanders, but ersay might, but
Ersay might, So if they knew draft them, just know
that Robert or Robert ors Say, Jim r Say, Jim
Arsay had his hand on it.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
So after the Colts, sixteen's Cardinals, right.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
I mean they almost feel raider like from last year.
The Colts do fifteen well fifty Falcons, Yeah, sixteen Cardinals, Bengals,
seventeen No, Seattle, no, eighteen, Tampa Bay, no, Denver, no, Steelers,
not gonna do it.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
You don't think that's the one? If oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
you know right now? Heelers three? Aaron Roddy, Yeah, draft
Aaron Rodgers. I'm sorry, sign Aaron Rodgers, draft Shadour.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
It's such a luxury, not luxury, but it's such a
a parked pick, you know, a parked acquisition. We're gonna
start this guy. This car stays in the garage. But
you need cars to drive, you need vehicles, You need players.
I don't have a good metaphor here. Yeah, well you
need to have you need to have quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Would Aaron Rodgers Shaudre Sanders be better than Russell Wilson
justin fields, which is what they had last year.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Yes, well you have Rogers, you have Rogers.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Wilson won some games for them before thecalf.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
George Pickens, Aaron Rodgers, Shadoor Sanders, led by Mike Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
I wonder why he luck coachters go ahead and sign up.
I guess maybe because he doesn't want to go to
ot A's or.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
The I've heard. I've heard a rumor that it's going
to happen this week because there's some sort of uh
WWE event in Pittsburgh. Oh, so he'll go and McAfee
is going to be there, and so he'll announce on
McAfee s soure. That's that's the rumor that's out there.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
I don't know. I five, I don't know if I
totally believe it, but I would think if I was
a team.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
When you think about the ones at the top, obviously
tides are gonna kame war, but Browns, Giants, those two
in particular, they've got some draft ammunition to get back
into the back into the first round, or I mean
they could sit tight at the top of the second
and then just take.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
They'll sit tight, they'll sit tight. If if you're not
gonna take them early, you're not moving back into the
first round of sacks.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
If you went back through that list of teams and
you said, okay, teams now, instead of considering sdor Sanders,
I want you to consider Jackson Dart.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Yeah. I think Dark's gone by twenty anyway. But where's
he going?
Speaker 2 (36:53):
So wait a minute, we said Jet Saints, Pittsburgh, possibly
the Cult, So let's just go with those four.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Yeah, but if he gets through that, it's gonna be
a big drop. It's a drop.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
I don't think anybody moves back into the first round
to take him. And we passed by the Cowboys. They
acquired Joe Milton from the Patriots. That's kind of a
sneaky little deal late last week, relatively late.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
And they didn't give him much for it.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
We talked about this a couple of weeks, swapped, Yeah,
how Milton could be traded?
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Yeah, and he was.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
And I there are two things I find interesting about
this Milton in Dallas because hey, if Dak goes down,
Milton boom, I'm gonna be the backup. And maybe I'm
a hit, you know, because you know Pak yeah, you know,
I like Joe Milton.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
The other thing is this why the Patriots so keen.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
To get rid of him, because he's got support in
the locker room, because he's a threat.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
To Drake May.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
We want to give the team to May, and unequivocally
he's the guy because we can't have Joe Milton around
to be dazzling with it with this athletic plays in
preseason games and having the fan base clamor for him
to play if Drake if and when Drake May starts
to throw picks.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Okay, before I before I start using my my comparison point, oh,
you got to answer a couple of questions from Okay,
what rounded did the Texans draft Drew Henson?
Speaker 3 (38:12):
That was like six or seventh? What did they trade
him for?
Speaker 2 (38:16):
I think it was seventh, and they traded him for
a six or something. I think they it was they
moved up around.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Okay, it was like right, yes, but they they Okay,
they improved their they they improved their stop without Henson
having ever really no, he didn't do anything.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
He didn't do anything. Milton did something. Yeah, he did them.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
He looked good and the Patriots got no more than
a pick swap and they yeah, and they were not
young talented dude may could.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Have played, Yes, could have. So why did they play him?
That's an Elliott Wolf decision, no doubt, to play Joe Milton.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
So that that's my point that if you've got this
guy that is young and talented as he is, how
come you got so little for him?
Speaker 3 (39:04):
I don't know, but it goes to your point. They
I think they were just trying to get rid of him.
They were just trying to get rid of them. They
were trying to get rid of for.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Whatever reason, whether he made everybody in the in the
building uncomfortable or whatever the might that case might be.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
They wanted Joe Milton out in that building.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
I don't know how the Jets don't make a deal
for some kind of here here's a fifth Yeah, I
got Joe Milton.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Now what the hell? Take a flyer?
Speaker 2 (39:27):
It's quarterback city here, right, he could be good, you know,
why not take a fly Saints, give him something. He's
got a rookie contract on a low pick contract.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
It's just hard to imagine the Cowboys made a kind
of crafty deal for Joe Milton.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
I I don't know.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
I don't know what the Patriots were doing with that.
But let mean, look it's Joe Milton. He's a backup.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
I think he's going to provide some pretty good depth
for for Dak Prescott. And look, Dak's hurt, so you know,
we'll see what. We'll see what Joe Milton's got. Maybe
we see him in the preseason. When was the last
time we played to Cowboys in the preseason twenty two?
I'd love to see them in the presets. I would
love to see him in the preseason. Yeah, that would
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be kind.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Of but I doubt Well, let me see they have
we have the nine games, they've got the two home game,
they got.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
The two home games, So maybe we go up there. Yeah,
I'll take that. I'll take that up.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
They'll take that meeting right now, Johnny so oh yeah, absolutely,
go ahead, Abs freaking Louie.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Drew Doherty has always has done his uh mock draft roundup.
Player most often mentioned I think has If what I've
heard and read about this individual is true, I think
the player that leads this has no chance of becoming
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a Texan, and that's Josh Simmons from Ohio State. He
is the most ten times ten mocks have Josh Simmons
going to the Texans. A player at nine is Kelvin
Banks Junior, Texas. I think when cooler heads prevail across
nfl off, I don't know that's the right way of
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saying it. What we see and what you see about
the draft is from the media. What you don't see
here what teams are thinking about these particular players. There's
a glut of teams from like ten on down that
need offensive line help that at some point they're gonna
draft Kevin Banks junior. He ain't getting a twenty five, Okay,
I just don't think he's getting a twenty too bad.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Lombardi Award winner Longhord. It would be great nine times
draft night. I don't know if it works out ultimately.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Who knows nine times in Mecca Buca House State. Yes,
I feel like that's a pretty good there's a pretty
good chance of that.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Hat I would like that. I think the draft party
would have erupted if you think Grace Abele got seven.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
He was chosen in seven mock drafts and actually was
studying him yesterday, and the more I watched them more, I'm.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Like, yeah, it is Booker there at twenty five? Well,
that's the question.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
And I think when I see that Booker was only
on four mocks, the question I have is, Okay, has
he already gone off the board. What I've seen a
lot is Booker going after our pick Mark. I'm just
going to say this, for what we have talked about
this offensive line room to be if the Texas would
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pass on Tyler Booker, then the Texas have learned something
about Booker that maybe nobody else knows. Because everything that
we know about Booker being the character, the on field character,
the off field character, the football character, the alpha in
the room a thing. He's everything that they want in
a player, and he's really freaking good and at a
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position where they have still a significant need.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
What about Zabel What kind of leadership qualities does he
have that you know about?
Speaker 1 (42:56):
I think he's got mainly what I would say about
him is he's got in the run game in particular,
he's got that desire to put dudes in the turf
like I like that, Like I saw that in Blake too.
I like that in Blake Fisher when I saw it
at Notre Dame that you can get kind of a
gauge on a guy just by watching that, and I
think he's got I think Zabel's got that now. Obviously
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he's got to move to guard. But I saw the
Senior Bowl. Look, it wasn't perfect, but you could just
see the willingness, the toughness, the strength. I mean, his
little body is just I mean stout so.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
And he's gonna take over the room though, Johnny Booker.
And he comes in from Alabama, a semi pro team, Yeah,
pro tem, So he comes in from there. If you
come in from North Dakota State, you can't take over
the room day one.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
I don't think day one. I think that's tough. I
think that's tough. But I know that when Belichick, I'm
trying to think. I think Nick was already here. When
Belichick drafted Cole Strange from Chattanooga at the bottom of
the first round, and he, to me, is a lot
like Gray's Abel. Kind of tough, no flare. He's got
no pads on his arm, no tape. It's just a
helmet his pads and that's it, right.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
He just and goes in place. Just kind of a
street tough dude.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
Belichick drafted him twenty nine, a lot of people thought
he was gonna go into third, second, third round. That's
where I thought he was gonna go. But I loved him,
and I understood now, and I understand now why Belichick
loved him with the Patriots. So I absolutely could see
Gray's Abel being that guy for sure. I took Derek
Harmon from Michigan State, the defensive lineman. I was the
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only one to mock him, and I feel like people
have missed the boat. I feel like defensive line is
still in play.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
For this team, yes or no.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Yes, the defensive line is in play, but the favorites
wide receiver and interior offensive line.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
Yes, okay, interior defensive line, yeah, I would say that's third, third, Yeah,
But if Derek.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
Harmon is there, I wouldn't be I would not be opposed.
I would not be opposed. That guy could take over
a game and a heartbeat. He did against Ohio State
in regular season. It was dominant, absolutely dominant. Okay, we
get back a reminder about Mark and I being on
the road on Tuesday, and more.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
News from the NFL. Next on Texans All Access.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Tepping everybody one final segment before we turn it over
to Kevin Cougler and the crew on Westwood One call
the National Championship game. It's Couga's tonight. And if you
know why say it that way, well, you know my
man kJ somewhere wherever you are, kJ, I know you're
biting your fingernails, but you are ready for tonight's game,
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as I know a lot of Koog's out there are.
I am so excited to watch this game, so proud
of my team from Houston. They have done incredible, incredible
things for the community and for that university.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
It's been awesome, awesome to watch. It gets NFL News
in before we close the show. Trayvon Walker, number one
overall pick of the twenty two and two.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
Draft, had his fifth year option exercised by the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
Not too surprise. Did hear some.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Trade rumors that are kind of going around, but nothing substantial.
So Treyvon Walker fifty year option exercise for the Jacksonville Jaguars,
though Las Vegas Raiders have seen enough of Jack Jones
the corner they are releasing him. Just not a great
year in twenty twenty four. He's always kind of had
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issues wherever he's been in his career.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
And now he is looking for a job.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
This one stood out to me as kind of kind
of odd in a sense because I like me some
Brecee Hall Aaron Glenn plans to use three running back approach,
says bries Hall is in a good place, but we
got three good backs and we're going to use them
all man, Breese Hall. If that makes Breese Hall mad,
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I don't know. I'd listen if you know what I'm
talking about. Yeah, three running back playing in place. I mean,
I don't mind three running backs.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
That's not really my issue. But Bristol is pretty eamn good.
He could be RB one, he can be RB one,
two and three, but just give it a two headed monster.
He and Braylan Allen.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
That'd be good stuff. But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
See what the Jets do. I love Ag so he
knows what he's doing. We'll see what that turns out
to be for the Jets. Big thanks to Mark. Call
you for listening. We will see you tomorrow, hopefully celebrating
a Cougar championship member. We are out at BMW out
in Katie tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
Get on out there.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Will Anderson football Nico Collins helmet get on out there
and enjoy it with us.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
We'll see it that on everybody, and as always go Texans.
What's happening everybody? Happy Championship Monday. That's right, Who's house?
Koog's house National Championship tonight. You hear that right here
at Sports Radio six ten, our buddy Kevin Coogler have
the Westwood one call tonight for the Houston Cougars taking
on the Florida Gators. This is Texans All Access. But
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we love our Koogs and we are very, very proud
of them. John Harris alongside Mark Vandermin Mark that on
Saturday was one of the great wins I will say
in Houston sports history, what the Koogs did against the
Duke Blue Devils.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I like the immediate Texans tie in with Kevin Kugler. Yeah,
how about that calls our preseason TV broadcasts with you
and the booth and Indie Kalou and you guys are back,
Yeah for a run it back year. We went with
that three man booth last year and Shelby Coppage on
the sideline.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
So that's cool stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
So I like that tie and right there and of
course Andre Ware, our radio color commentator, Yeah, who is awesome.
And by the way, I did it again this weekend.
Somebody who's asking me about Andrea or something about his role,
and I said color commentator, and they thought it was
some kind of race thing. God like, No, it's color
to the broadcast. He provides color. This is not a
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race that my gosh, Really, we still need to educate
people on this. But anyway, Andre obviously proud Koog Hall
of Famer, college Football Hall of Famer, Heisman Trophy winner,
didn't play basketball at the University of Houston, but maybe
he could have.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Could have.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
He was drafted in baseball and he's a hell of
a basketball player in his day and still could probably
shoot the Jay.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Let's just yeah, he could.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Hear, but he's fired up for this one. Everybody's fired
up for this one tonight, Johnny. I'm excited about it.
I love the comeback. I love that it was Duke because,
let's just face it, Duke is kind of like they're
almost Yankee like in college basketball. Yeah, they have a
lot of fans who are never going to set foot
on that campus, that's right, But they're Duke fans. And
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then they have a lot of fans that hate their guts.
So it's a love hate thing. You either love him
or you hate them. And I don't like them at all,
all right, They've had players that I've admired and liked.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I liked Bobby Hurley a little bit, did not like Latner.
I kind of felt not as bad as the Fab
five felt about him.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I mean sometimes you see that, you know, sequence of
little interview snippets from.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
The thirty to thirty, and they use it as a me. Yeah,
I'm not gonna say what they say, but it's really good. Jimmy,
Jimmy Keys, he's a bee. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
But the thing was, as they've grown older, they realized,
oh yeah he was a beat in a different way,
like he was a tough bee.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I tweeted this jokingly. Later would have made the shot.
Later would have made the shot to Roberts, He would
have made the turner, the flag shot. Yeah, the flag shot.
That was a pretty weak shot in that look. It's
easier for me to say, I'm on my couch in
that hit the rim. Hit the above part of the rim,
not the front of the rim.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
If you're gonna missed that shot, that SHOT's gonna be
on the rim, Right, it's gotta have a ch chants
to go completely sure, no chance, completely short, And I
get it's a touch shot, fade away with a contested hand.
But you gotta do better than that. Okay the call.
Didn't like the call either, but liked it for the Kougs.
And guess what, Duke, you had your chance get the.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Ball in bounds. We can't draw up. What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I watched Florida the game before Florida was playing. Why
am i john to blank Auburn? And Florida gets a lead,
and so Florida's now got to get the ball out
against heavy full court pressure. Florida puts all five guys.
I saw it like they're five guys lined up in
the run and shoe.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
I loved it. And somebody got open.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
It was like, hike, yeah, everybody goes listen stealing that
rous rub routes.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I mean it was awesome. I'm like, that is fantas
and somebody got open.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
I'm coaching that. I'm coaching a youth league team right now.
I'm stealing that for an inbounds because you know what,
you could run crossers.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yes, and Florida Riley just picks an open guy. Who
was it?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
The was the Pacers? I think the Pacers were playing
in knicks. It could be somebody. I can't remember, but
the Pacers were playing somebody. It was back in February.
Is February March, and it was at the end of
the game, and they did a similar inbounds play, but
it was from the side court. It wasn't full quarter,
so the side court, but they did something similar and
they literally ran like a little switch route. Yeah, and
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Halliberg and gets the ball, got an open three look
at the end to win the game. And I mean,
I've always said sports feed sports, but yeah, Duke and
I thought this right after the game. You know, Duke
gagged it. Duke gagged a fourteen point leading nine minutes left.
They gagged a six point lead with thirty five seconds
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left or whatever it was after Nipple hit the free
throw with the Joseph Tugler techno file.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
By the way, I used to do that. I used
to be the inbounds thrower.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
I used to be the guy always inbounding the ball
because I could always find a guy coach trusted me.
But I would as soon as I got the ball,
I would place the ball in front of me, just
like I'm holding a platter. Yeah, And I just would
do it real quick, just to see if somebody would
touch it. I got them three times as a senior
oh Un Senior High school. I got them three times,
and I literally would they would reach over. I dropped
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the ball, and I'd walk to the free throw line
and I would force the raft to have to you.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Know, it's all technical foul. It's a technical technical foul.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
And so I think Tugler was just kind of scrambling
to stay with with James. I think who was starting
to ball in and then you just out of panic
can kind of reach out. It's instinct, and so I
would do it just a regular old inboundstrow. I would
take the ball. Yeah, I would steal a possession. I
steal a point, and then I would go shoot the
technical or my friend Mac would shoot it.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
And we'd make it. At one point.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
What's the football equivalent of can't get the ball in bounds,
can't get a third and inches and then it's fourth
in inches.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
I mean, there's really no equivalent. I think it's yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I think it's almost like you get nine yards on
first down, second and one can't get it, third and
one can't get it fourth and one.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Oh yeah, it's first. It's first to goal. With the one.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Right, it's like first of goal with the one, especially
that late in the game, and you just can't get
it in.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
It's goal line stand time. It's they gotta take a
time out, and then you gotta take another time out.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
What was it the Auburn or Floorida game where it
was like there were four point six seconds it was
that close to a throw in she could have gotten.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Uh oh yeah, yeah, oh.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I thought it was like four point nine or yeah,
four point five to nine. It was like really really close.
And I mean I didn't know that they could do that.
I didn't they could time it. But either way, the
Kugs went and snatched that game for but you couldn't
review that.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
They were just doing it for your viewing pleasure. I
don't think you can review. I think that's right.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
I think if you I thought they said it first,
you could and then I said later on that you couldn't.
But the Kugs went and took that ball game they
had been and I think this is this is something
that I think a lot of coaches they kind of
miss in a sense, do get plenty. We have opportunities.
Throughout the last three months of the year. They didn't
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play close game from like November or something on. You
know what John Shire should have done. He should have
manufactured in the close game at the end of a game,
he should have manufactured one.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
I mean the pups, guys. I know it's hard to listen.
I know it's hard. I get it.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
But you at least should have gotten into a situation
where one time you had to just let it play
to a close game, well I'll top you.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Instead of that, or in addition to or whatever, manufacture
a situation where it's hard to get the ball in pounds. Yeah,
because that's really I'm not gonna say all they had
to do, but it's kind of all they had to do.
If they don't get it stolen where you had the
miss three and then to put back slam, well they're
going to the line and maybe it's game over at
that point.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Maybe maybe because.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
The sharp three with thirty one seconds to go, is
that what it was? Yeah, the sharp three thirty three
second was the game changer. That was because it goes
from six to three all of a sudden, Oh my gosh,
one procession game stealing a bucket.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
And is tied.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
That's a heightening up of the certain medical area situation
for this exactly right, and going back and watching Duke
attempt to get the ball and bounds.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
It was a guy throwing the ball in bounds and
there were two guys working, I say in air quotes
to get open.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
That's it. You can't have that.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I know, maybe you don't want Malowatts to shoot free throws,
always got a pretty good stroke, or maybe you don't
want Procter or whomever, but that should be an all
five guy endeavor to get the ball in especially against
that defense.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Exactly against those guys.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
But what I loved so much about the Koogs and
then here's why I'm gonna tie it into the Texas
and I want your thoughts on this. So as I'm
watching Friday night, the Rockets had beat the breaks off
the thunder at home and they gave up one hundred.
But that's a Rockets defense that I think Seth said
today in the month of March, it's like third in
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the league in defense, Like they could choke you out
with length and athletes. I mean, between I'm and Thompson
and Jalen Green out be inside Dylan Brooks. Just the
feistiness that they play with defensively, when they win, they
play defensively that way. The Kugs play like this all
the time. Yeah, well, it's all the station. They they
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don't mind holding the bully down on the playground with
a foot on the throat and say try and breathe,
but we're not gonna let you up.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
And then I think about the Texans in a sense
with the defense they have, Like these teams can win
championships with defense, but when they get the offensive components
working with it, that's when they can go win the
big one. That's when they go win the championship. That's
what's put to Cougarer seais Cougari's played defense like this
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for a while, but they didn't have guys who could
score the ball. They couldn't shoot. Now they've got sharp
hitting that big three. They've got l J. Cryer who
went nuts knocking down threes. They could shoot. They can score. Now,
they're not gonna score Loyal Marrymount nineteen ninety version, but
they're gonna score sixty five seven. And they got defense
enough to choke you out for I mean, Duke got
the sixty six and.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
They just said that it's enough.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
You don't little goes a long way right, because the Texans,
you get a little better on offense, right, and you
play defense as well as they're capable.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Right now, you got something, And.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
That's why I think the Texas and the Cougars are
pretty similar that way. The Rockets have built in offensive
players like they got. They have offensive scoring. I don't
worry about that. I don't think they're as much like
gonna squeeze you out, but they can keep Like last
night against the Warriors, they shut Curry down like They've
got defensive pieces that can go one on one against you,
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Like I'm and Thompson going against Steph Curry and just
shutting him down, which is rare.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
I mean, I don't know how many times Curry has
had three points in a game. That was incredible. They
have defensive players that can frustrate you.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I don't know if they have them all the way
across the board, but the Rockets have a better offensive game.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
They could score one hundred on anybody. Well.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
It shows you also the difference between the three sports
college college basketball, pro basketball, and pro football, because pro
football seventeen games, but even in pro football, it is
hard to maintain the kind of defensive intensity that Demico
is seeking week in, week out. It is tough, but
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it's more doable than you know, pro basketball, where you
have eighty two games. It's crazy of load management issues possibly,
But to me, the test for the Rockets is going
to be the postseason where everybody turns it up several notches,
both sides of the ball, half court game, all that stuff,
the execution. I think their defense is going to serve
them so well.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
There.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
For the Cougars, obviously you're seeing it right now they're
in the National Championship game. But the Texans Johnny we
sat here in this studio, who was the player. Maybe
you remember somebody actually used a basketball analogy. They said,
it's like a basketball team. We're just going after people.
We're just you know, it's like full court press. Demiko
says it too in that he doesn't use the word basketball,
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but he says, we're gonna get after you. We're just
gonna fly after you. If you miss, you know, shoot
your shot. If you miss, somebody else is gonna pick
you up. Right, that's it. We're gonna come after you.
We're gonna send waves after you. But they kind of
liken it to pressure trapping everybody swarm.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
You know that the Cougar swarm. They swarm in basketball language. Yeah,
And you know the Texans.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
The Texans don't do a lot of blitzing, like to me,
blitzany know, a lot of blits heavy.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
It feels like it. But they don't.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
They don't do a ton of blitzing, which to me,
the analogous the analogous situation in basketball would be like
full court press, things like that. But the Texans are
so good with the four guys. They bring off the
edge in the rush. When they play run defense, everybody
is flowing. It's kind of the way the Cougars will
will play pick and roll or will they'll play high screens.
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They'll they'll switch screens, you know, will take their Juwan
Roberts will go on a point guard and stay with them.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
They're just all encompassing.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Like they'll trap off a damn ball screen and you're
like guard center, going how did I get in a
big little trap like this?
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Like how do I get out of this? So I
feel like they're they're very they're similar.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
The way the Coug's play basketball and waey the Texas
play football.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
I feel like it's very similar.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
And I feel like what we have said and what
you said a little while ago, if the Texans can
just get offense, maybe not to match the level of defense,
but to just be effective in what it is that
we do and whatever that's gonna be under Nick Cayley,
that's the type of team that can win a championship.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
And we always said it about the Coogs and basketball.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Look, you know they're gonna lock you up defensively because
Kelvin's gonna get guys that you know, you've see We've
seen that drill on TV.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
It's on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
It was on the the pregame show of the n
C Double abountment to the day that rebound drew where
the ball goes up there three guys and they beat
the hell out of each other going for the basketball,
like they're always gonna be that. You're always gonna have
to conquer that, And I feel like that's gonna be here.
You're always gonna have to if you're gonna beat this team,
you're gonna have to conquer one of the better defenses,
the grittiest, the swarmiest defenses in the league.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
You're gonna have to do that.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
But it's gonna be all that much more difficult if
our offense is up there scoring twenty to thirty points
a game and doing it relatively consistently, because now you're
trailing in a game. Now you're letting our guys eat.
It's like playing the Coups. It's like if you if
they get a lead on you and you've got to
go score, and they're just vice scripping you to death.
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Like hopefully they'll do tonight to Florida. But it's gonna
be a different challenge, definitely a different challenge. You get
a lot of different ways they could score the ball
on you. But Walter Clayton Junior is one of my favorites,
and I hate the fact that the Coups have gotta
lock him up tonight. But if he's not scoring tonight,
if they're doing a good job on him, it's gonna
be really tough for Florida to be Houston really take.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Before the tournament started, I picked Florida to win the tournament. Yeah,
Florida's my pick too. Now I'm hoping I'm wrong about that.
You too, Me too.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
I picked that to win the tournament because I thought
that they were just a really balanced physical They had
everything going that's right.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Bigs are good. Yeah, they can shoot it. They've got athletes.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
By the way, Elijah Martin's punch, I swear, I don't
think I've ever jumped off the couch like watching a game.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Have you missed it?
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Elijah Martins number fifteen for Florida. He played it for
FAU a couple of years ago. Here at the Final four,
he got a steal and punched it on two Armorn Tigers.
I mean he put it right on their dome. Just
I mean I jumped off the cow like you could
hear Raftery when he dunked it. He's like, oh, like,
I've never heard Raftery get that excited.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
It was awesome.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
So Florida can match athlete for athlete in this one,
There's no question.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
But this will be a great test.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Normally we don't talk about this, but I happened to
see when I was in the cafeteria this morning on
the screen the over under for this game, and it
was one forty and change, not one for one, but
like one forty point something.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
You know.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
It was the other night Ni Koog's Dude game. Remember
what the score was? Was the score seventy to sixty seven.
Do the quick math on that was it one? It
was one thirty six and a half. No, it was
one thirty six.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
People were, oh no, that's what can you believe that
thirty seven?
Speaker 2 (16:18):
That's the problem with this because somebody's got free throws
at the end, somebody's down, they're fouling, you know, you're
switching some free throws, and all of a sudden it
goes over so many reasons, But that one forty not
that I wouldn't. I don't do the dark arts, as
Sean Pendergass would say.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
But I looked at that.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
I thought, hmm, this seems like a defensive game. This
see this feels like sixty nine sixty seven tonight. You know,
you know too how it goes in college basketball the
Monday game after playing two emotional games on Saturday. Yeah,
these guys are gas Like.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
I've watched so many documentaries of championship teams over the years,
and they talk about this Monday night game and how
tired they are in that game.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
How exhausted it is. But it's April seventh, right.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
A long season. But on top of that, you played
this emotional game on Saturday. Both teams, both teams at
one had to really have a lot of emotional intelligence
just keeping their minds in the game. And I'll stressful
that part gets and then less than forty eight hours later,
you've got to play in a national championship game where
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the lights are the brightest and and you're playing that
big dome and all that kind of stuff. So I
would tend to think. I tend to think this is under.
But that's why I like the Kugs. If it is
under and Flora's not scoring, I think Houston can win
this game. So forty one years the last time the
Cooks played in a National championship game. That was my first.
It was my first year in Houston. Houston played Georgetown. Yeah,
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it was my first year, and I just remember the
excitement of five slam agem. In fact, that got my
five slama jam. I'm sure don't check it out. Mark.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
How about represent represent for the Kooks to night. It's
gonna be fun.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
And it's funny because I've always thought about this guy
that I used to when I did.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
My overnight show, the guy that came on after me.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
His guy named Steve Saban on Radio Sure and Zabe
always he has his al e theory, always leave early theory,
and I've never I've never liked that because I just
feel like you're gonna miss out on something. Like I'd
rather watch a game and then wait and let all
the traffic go and then go after the traffic. He
has his always leave early theory, like he never stays
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to watch the end of the game.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
More like him. Yeah, I had to admit it, but
I am I.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I'm the other way because I'm like, you know, if
I stick around, I might see something I've never seen before.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Yeah, and I'd rather be able to do that.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Now in the world of DVRs and all that kind
of about concerts, I don't go to concerts much, but
I figure, I figure, if I've heard all the songs
I want to hear, I'll go.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
I'm not one I concerts are a little different.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
But I when it was fourteen, I was doing my
actually was doing my son's laundry because I was getting
nervous watching the game. I was doing my son's laudry. Now,
I was literally like, do I turn this off? And
I thought no, because what am I? What else am
I doing tonight? Yeah, I'll just leave this on credit
roll and see what happens, and I'll just do his laundry.
And as I'm doing his laundry, they're they're chipping back
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away and they got that sequence where they made a
bucket and then they called the technical foul on eighteen Gillis.
They hit the technical free throw and scored again. I
think that was like a five or six point turnaround.
We're one from fourteen down to eight or nine. Yeah,
and it was like, okay, they're back in this.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
When it's singles, you're like, all right, maybe maybe a
couple of minutes left. Inside two minutes you're in singles,
you know, three here, magical steal there, And that's.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Exactly what happened. Yeah, here's the other thing I thought
of two.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
When it was sixty seven sixty one, there was a
minute left, And this goes back to the thought of
du not playing in close games versus Houston have played
in a bunch of close games. Iron Eagle, Bill Raftery
and Grant Hill both made mention of the fact that
with about a little minute left and up and down six,
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Houston played defense. They didn't foul, they didn't get into
a foul game. Yeah, they played defense. And they all
questioned like, do you think Houston should be doing this?
And actually turned out it was perfect that they were
I think it. I think that's almost textbook though. If
you're a good defensive team.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Right, it's got to be you would think you got
to get a miss, get the rebound, go get a score, get.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
A bucket, and I start fouling it. But it's a
little bit closer at that point. But they didn't. But
they were kind of incredulous to the fact that Kelvin
decided to go ahead and play it out. And I
promise you there has been a game in which Kelvin
did that during the season. They didn't panic, they played defense,
They got to stop sharp, hit the three, then they
got to steal, and all of a sudden, it's a
one point game and Duke's got to go down and
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do something. And that's where obviously, you know, flag gets
the foul, et cetera. But I thought that was another
moment where Kelvin won't get a lot of credit for that.
But they were incredulous about it. They were like, nah,
well this should it be foul? And they were kind
of asking the question, and I remember thinking, look, a
minute doesn't sound like a whole lot when you're down six,
But so much can happen, as we saw, so much
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can happen in that minute if you just get that
stop there, go down and put a get a bucket
up on a board A two or three, and now
all things can go crazy.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
And that's exactly It's exactly what happened.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
And I wonder, I've thought about this, and I wonder,
I wish somebody will ask this to Kevin Samson down
the road. I wonder if they had talked about a
situation like that, how they wanted to play it out,
so that was gonna be kind of their formula down
to stretch, like no, no, no, let's let's force them
to have to go down and make a bucket against
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us like they.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Had they talked through or had been through that situation
throughout the year.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
That helped them because they look totally comfortable in that moment,
down six with a minute left, playing defense, kept playing hard.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Oh, they kept playing as hard as they possibly could,
you know, and back to like football equivalents, and the
translation from game to game, this goes back to you're
an outside kick territory. But I'm not going to say
it's easier in basketball, you still depend on the opponent
to miss free throws, to mis execute very often when
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you're in the foul game, obviously you're depending on them
to miss free throws.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
But getting steals.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
How many times you watch basketball, We've all watched it
all March and before that, where you're thinking, well, if
they get a steal and this, and you know, but
they got steals. Yeah, so it all worked out that way.
It's it's funny to watch it that way. And I
go back to how come they didn't want the fourth
and fifteen or fourth and twenty play? They didn't even
want to consider it, right, did you consider it? I
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think because they just don't want to give the ball
to somebody. Here's the ball. It doesn't matter what the
down and distance. It would be all right, going to
hear it. Yeah, go, I don't think Roger Goodell wants it,
but he does want what does he do?
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Wants a toush push?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Gone, he wants to to push the vote got tabled. Yeah,
and that's why the vote from the outside kick never
even made it to the vote.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
And he does want divisional winner not necessarily getting a
home playoff game. They playoff game, but he wants a
best record team or the team with the better record
to be able to host like Minnesota would have this
past season.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I mean maybe the charge the Chargers would have. Right
the Chargers, Well, they'll host us this year. It's just
a matter of where that happens.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Well, by the way, before we forget tomorrow, yesday, six
o'clock BMW West. So that's Katie Freeway heading west right
before Grand Parkway, so outbound feeder BMW West. We will
be there live. Yeah, we're giving away a Nico Collins
signed helmet. So Nico signed this helmet for so real.
It's not a mini helmet, it's a helmet. It's a
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helmet helmet and Will Anderson Junior official NFL football game ball.
Will Anderson Junior signed it and Nico Collins side the helmet.
We will give those away on site BMW West tomorrow
as we do a live show on Texans Radio Sports
Radio six ten, six o'clock Tuesday, ibfw wes Houston.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
See us there.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
We have been out at the Woodlands. We were over
in the Sharpstown area. Now we're going out to Katie.
So get on out those the last few years, So
get on out there and join us. The Titans have
canceled a private workout. I've got questions with one of the.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Most polarizing prospects in this draft.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
What does it tell us and what does Drew Doherty's
mock draft survey tell us about what the Texas might
do at twenty five.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
We'll discuss that next on Texans All Access. What's Happened? Everybody?
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Welcome back to Monday edition of Texans All Access Sean
Harris alongside the voice of the Texans Mark Van Muir.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Mark.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
The news out of Nashville is that Colorado quarterback Shadeur
Sanders and the Titans agreed to cancel a private workout
for Shadeur Sanders.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Now, A your gut reaction, B what does it mean?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Well, you know that so they have the number one
picks one to the driver's seat. So if they love
cam Ward, go ahead and take cam Ward. However, however,
I would still want to meet with Shadior Sanders.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
You know why, Johnny, I think you can. I think
they're meeting with him, but they're just not working him out. Well,
I want to work him out.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I want to spend as much time as possible with
him and watch him do whatever I can watch him do, right,
I want him to do everything because I need to
know about this guy. I need to further evaluate. You
might think you know everything there is to know, yep,
but do you? Because look how many teams have been
wrong about players. Maybe Shador Sanders, is Jaden Daniels or CJ.
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Stroud in his rookie year. Maybe he's all of that.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Maybe he's not.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
He's probably not, but he could be. And maybe cam
Ward is not as good as you think. And this
is not strange territory. We've seen it play out in
real life many times, and it's not like cam Ward
is this generational prospect.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
You might turn out to be the greatest quarterback ever.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
But we all know pre draft how people feel about
these players and how things turn out. Very often and
very often they're wrong about players. If you could redraft
last year right now, there's nobody in their right mind
taking Caleb Williams over Jaydeon Daniels.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Correct, nobody correct? All right, Bryce Young over CJ. Stroud.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I know that Bryce is doing better lately than he
did previously, but nobody's taking Bryce Young over c J.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Stroud. Nobody right?
Speaker 2 (26:37):
So, and Anthony Richardson, who went fourth overall in the
Stroud draft. I mean, there's nobody's taking Anthony Richardson fourth.
No chance, probably not in the first round, no chance,
zero chance in a redraft. And I can come up
with example, and hey, Caleb Williams might not go in
for the bow Nicks at this point. And I'm not
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saying Caleb Williams is done. I still think Caleb Williams
can turn out to be a really good player. But hey,
this is very interesting to see how guys play in
the league versus what you thought they would be like
prior to the draft. So my take on the Titans
is me, what shador Sanders and work them out, get
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all the information you could possibly get. It's too important
to not take advantage of the opportunity. Thoughts, what if
Schanur and Dion said nah? What if they were the
ones that said no? And then but we'll let you
guys say it was your idea.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Or you know, say it was a mutual idea or whatever.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
See, and I think I'm that great. I want to
work out for them. I want to force the narrative.
I want to drive up my market and my potential
at least the illusion of it by saying, hey, I
worked out for the Titans too, because Johnny was just
a few months ago, right after the regular season in
college football, where all right, we thought is kem Ward
not you? But a lot of people said Shador might
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be the number one quarterback, right cam Ward, he's climbing
the charts, right, This is all just perception, right, So
what happened, Well they took a closer look. You know,
cooler heads prevailed whatever. But if I'm Shadur, I want
to push the issue.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yeah, I mean I if I'm them, I would, I
would pursue the issue.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
I mean, I feel like the words.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
We had, all the information we needed came out or
was mentioned, and I thought, yeah, okay, I kind of
understand that, you know, are you wasting people's time if
you know that it's cam Ward or you're telling basically
the world that it's cam Ward in Tennessee over Shador Sanders.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
And I guess, you know, I guess maybe if you
feel like you have all that information.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
But I just feel like when you sit down in
a private setting with a draft prospect, I just feel
like there's so much more you can learn. I'd feel
like there's so much more you can learn when you
basically take the helmet off these guys and you're like, yo,
what okay, so much more that you start finding out
about these particular players. I mean it, It happens just
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as I'm doing all my you know, research for these guys,
and you're like, whoa like uh take, for instance, gosh,
dang it, oh uh Charles Grant, Charles Grant's offense tackle
prospect from William and Mary. Okay, long athletic Texans. I
think have had him here for a thirty visit. If
I've I've seen that correctly. He is He's just he's
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just a dude on the field. He is a complete
and total dude. But he played for Bill and Mary.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
But he played for William and Mary.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
And that always is is something that that is gonna
is gonna be an issue for people maybe in this building,
maybe people because maybe fans, because they know that Nick
doesn't take guys from uh, from those different schools.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
But then I'm reading on Charles Grant.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Listen to this, so he's all, you know, All American,
first of All America and this year second All American,
second team All American in twenty twenty three. What's William
and Mary donated bone marrow in the spring of twenty
three for a twenty nine year old with Hodgkins lymphoma,
underwent seven hour non surgical procedure to donate stem cells.
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Grant signed up to help increase the odds of people
of African American descent to find a donor match. Wow, Like,
those are the things that I think you start uncovering
when you start just talking to people, when you start
interviewing them. That was That's one of many that I've
kind of uncovered, you know, just kind of along the way.
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But I had read that when I was starting my
study on Grant back in the summer, and then.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
I read it again kind of a more in a
longer story about it, and.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
It basically it was kind of a team initiative that
they had come up with and Grant was one of
those that he was a match and they ended up
doing it. So it's like, those are things that I
think in an interview setting you'd like to be able
to know, right right, I'd love to be able to
know that, because to me, that's pretty damn swarmy right
there when you do something like that, For somebody potentially
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you don't.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Even know who it is. Yeah, that's special. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
So, I mean that's one of the things I think
in an interview setting that you you can you can
get now, can you get that information?
Speaker 3 (31:23):
I didn't interview Charles Grant to get that information.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
But if Charles Grant came in here for an interview
and just sat with the two of us and we
talked to him about that situation, we could get a
little bit more in depth information other than well he
just did this being a donor.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Well, plus you get the sense of him. Right, it's
a conversation as body language, aslutely.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Yeah, there's all that stuff. All right.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I have the draft order in front of me. You
tell me who's gonna draft Shador Sanders, Okay, give me,
give me a not a rating, but your thoughts. Okay,
to Titan's pick number one. They'll take cam Ward Browns. No, Giants,
I wouldn't They're not going to. I don't think they're
going to either.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
I doubt it. Patriots no, Jacksonville No, Oh, wouldn't that
be funny? Oh yeah yeah, yeah, yea, yeah, yeah yeah yeah,
come on, Jack, come on, Jacks do it? That would
be fantastic. Uh no to Jacksonville Raiders. Maybe No, I
know they just signed Geno Smith and that's actually my conference.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Sure, Sanders, I could see the Raiders doing this back
in the Big twelve media days when Diana Shuduur were
doing interviews. We actually were in a llegial stadium and
when he was asked about, you know, the NFL and
moving on Dion because apparently she door didn't watch enough NFL,
apparently he told me.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Deal was asking.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Yeah, I think the Raiders would be a good spot
because at the time, Antonio Pearce's head coach. They had
Gardner Minshew and Aidan O'Connell, and I think they looked
at it as man, just step right in and be
ready to go. They had DeVonta Adams at the time.
But I think the Raiders make some sense at six.
I don't think they're gonna do it, no way. I
don't think they just two years and they have other
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needs to I don't see it. You want to get
competitive fast, you don't do it by by drafting. Just
get to number seven the Jets. In my draft, that's
where I put him. I put him to the Jets.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
So there's a chance, A chance, Panthers, No, No, Saints,
yes chance.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Apparently the Saints have been doing a lot of work
on Sanders a ton. They sent their quarterback coach and
OC I believe.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
To his pro day. They have done a lot of work.
And number nine feels okay.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
I could sit behind Derek Carr learn a Kellen Moore offense,
take over it pretty quickly if it yeah, and be
the case, and the Saints become must watch at that
point to see what story is going to do.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
So I think the Saints make a lot of sense
at nine. Jets and Saints possibilities.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Bears, no Niners.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
But if he gets past, if he gets past, the
Saints go with the list because now you start butting
your your head up against ten Bears, no.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Eleven Niners, No, no Cowboys, no Dolphins, no Colts, no
doubt it, no way.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
But I did see in fact that I can't remember.
I think I saw it on Twitter. Maybe it was
on a McFee show. That on the board on the
odds board in Vegas. Now it's a pretty big number,
it's like twenty five to one. But the Colts take
schnor Sanders. Now I know Chris Ballard fairly well, Chris
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Baalard is not drafting Shugar Sanders, but ersay might, but
Ersay might, So if they knew draft them, just know
that Robert or Robert ors Say, Jim r Say, Jim
Arsay had his hand on it.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
So after the Colts, sixteen's Cardinals, right.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
I mean they almost feel raider like from last year.
The Colts do fifteen well fifty Falcons, Yeah, sixteen Cardinals, Bengals,
seventeen No, Seattle, no, eighteen, Tampa Bay, no, Denver, no, Steelers,
not gonna do it.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
You don't think that's the one? If oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
you know right now? Heelers three? Aaron Roddy, Yeah, draft
Aaron Rodgers. I'm sorry, sign Aaron Rodgers, draft Shadour.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
It's such a luxury, not luxury, but it's such a
a parked pick, you know, a parked acquisition. We're gonna
start this guy. This car stays in the garage. But
you need cars to drive, you need vehicles, You need players.
I don't have a good metaphor here. Yeah, well you
need to have you need to have quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Would Aaron Rodgers Shaudre Sanders be better than Russell Wilson
justin fields, which is what they had last year.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Yes, well you have Rogers, you have Rogers.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Wilson won some games for them before thecalf.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
George Pickens, Aaron Rodgers, Shadoor Sanders, led by Mike Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
I wonder why he luck coachters go ahead and sign up.
I guess maybe because he doesn't want to go to
ot A's or.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
The I've heard. I've heard a rumor that it's going
to happen this week because there's some sort of uh
WWE event in Pittsburgh. Oh, so he'll go and McAfee
is going to be there, and so he'll announce on
McAfee s soure. That's that's the rumor that's out there.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
I don't know. I five, I don't know if I
totally believe it, but I would think if I was
a team.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
When you think about the ones at the top, obviously
tides are gonna kame war, but Browns, Giants, those two
in particular, they've got some draft ammunition to get back
into the back into the first round, or I mean
they could sit tight at the top of the second
and then just take.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
They'll sit tight, they'll sit tight. If if you're not
gonna take them early, you're not moving back into the
first round of sacks.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
If you went back through that list of teams and
you said, okay, teams now, instead of considering sdor Sanders,
I want you to consider Jackson Dart.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Yeah. I think Dark's gone by twenty anyway. But where's
he going?
Speaker 2 (36:53):
So wait a minute, we said Jet Saints, Pittsburgh, possibly
the Cult, So let's just go with those four.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Yeah, but if he gets through that, it's gonna be
a big drop. It's a drop.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
I don't think anybody moves back into the first round
to take him. And we passed by the Cowboys. They
acquired Joe Milton from the Patriots. That's kind of a
sneaky little deal late last week, relatively late.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
And they didn't give him much for it.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
We talked about this a couple of weeks, swapped, Yeah,
how Milton could be traded?
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Yeah, and he was.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
And I there are two things I find interesting about
this Milton in Dallas because hey, if Dak goes down,
Milton boom, I'm gonna be the backup. And maybe I'm
a hit, you know, because you know Pak yeah, you know,
I like Joe Milton.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
The other thing is this why the Patriots so keen.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
To get rid of him, because he's got support in
the locker room, because he's a threat.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
To Drake May.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
We want to give the team to May, and unequivocally
he's the guy because we can't have Joe Milton around
to be dazzling with it with this athletic plays in
preseason games and having the fan base clamor for him
to play if Drake if and when Drake May starts
to throw picks.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Okay, before I before I start using my my comparison point, oh,
you got to answer a couple of questions from Okay,
what rounded did the Texans draft Drew Henson?
Speaker 3 (38:12):
That was like six or seventh? What did they trade
him for?
Speaker 2 (38:16):
I think it was seventh, and they traded him for
a six or something. I think they it was they
moved up around.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Okay, it was like right, yes, but they they Okay,
they improved their they they improved their stop without Henson
having ever really no, he didn't do anything.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
He didn't do anything. Milton did something. Yeah, he did them.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
He looked good and the Patriots got no more than
a pick swap and they yeah, and they were not
young talented dude may could.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Have played, Yes, could have. So why did they play him?
That's an Elliott Wolf decision, no doubt, to play Joe Milton.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
So that that's my point that if you've got this
guy that is young and talented as he is, how
come you got so little for him?
Speaker 3 (39:04):
I don't know, but it goes to your point. They
I think they were just trying to get rid of him.
They were just trying to get rid of them. They
were trying to get rid of for.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Whatever reason, whether he made everybody in the in the
building uncomfortable or whatever the might that case might be.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
They wanted Joe Milton out in that building.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
I don't know how the Jets don't make a deal
for some kind of here here's a fifth Yeah, I
got Joe Milton.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Now what the hell? Take a flyer?
Speaker 2 (39:27):
It's quarterback city here, right, he could be good, you know,
why not take a fly Saints, give him something. He's
got a rookie contract on a low pick contract.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
It's just hard to imagine the Cowboys made a kind
of crafty deal for Joe Milton.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
I I don't know.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
I don't know what the Patriots were doing with that.
But let mean, look it's Joe Milton. He's a backup.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
I think he's going to provide some pretty good depth
for for Dak Prescott. And look, Dak's hurt, so you know,
we'll see what. We'll see what Joe Milton's got. Maybe
we see him in the preseason. When was the last
time we played to Cowboys in the preseason twenty two?
I'd love to see them in the presets. I would
love to see him in the preseason. Yeah, that would
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be kind.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Of but I doubt Well, let me see they have
we have the nine games, they've got the two home game,
they got.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
The two home games, So maybe we go up there. Yeah,
I'll take that. I'll take that up.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
They'll take that meeting right now, Johnny so oh yeah, absolutely,
go ahead, Abs freaking Louie.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Drew Doherty has always has done his uh mock draft roundup.
Player most often mentioned I think has If what I've
heard and read about this individual is true, I think
the player that leads this has no chance of becoming
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a Texan, and that's Josh Simmons from Ohio State. He
is the most ten times ten mocks have Josh Simmons
going to the Texans. A player at nine is Kelvin
Banks Junior, Texas. I think when cooler heads prevail across
nfl off, I don't know that's the right way of
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saying it. What we see and what you see about
the draft is from the media. What you don't see
here what teams are thinking about these particular players. There's
a glut of teams from like ten on down that
need offensive line help that at some point they're gonna
draft Kevin Banks junior. He ain't getting a twenty five, Okay,
I just don't think he's getting a twenty too bad.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Lombardi Award winner Longhord. It would be great nine times
draft night. I don't know if it works out ultimately.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Who knows nine times in Mecca Buca House State. Yes,
I feel like that's a pretty good there's a pretty
good chance of that.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Hat I would like that. I think the draft party
would have erupted if you think Grace Abele got seven.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
He was chosen in seven mock drafts and actually was
studying him yesterday, and the more I watched them more, I'm.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Like, yeah, it is Booker there at twenty five? Well,
that's the question.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
And I think when I see that Booker was only
on four mocks, the question I have is, Okay, has
he already gone off the board. What I've seen a
lot is Booker going after our pick Mark. I'm just
going to say this, for what we have talked about
this offensive line room to be if the Texas would
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pass on Tyler Booker, then the Texas have learned something
about Booker that maybe nobody else knows. Because everything that
we know about Booker being the character, the on field character,
the off field character, the football character, the alpha in
the room a thing. He's everything that they want in
a player, and he's really freaking good and at a
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position where they have still a significant need.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
What about Zabel What kind of leadership qualities does he
have that you know about?
Speaker 1 (42:56):
I think he's got mainly what I would say about
him is he's got in the run game in particular,
he's got that desire to put dudes in the turf
like I like that, Like I saw that in Blake too.
I like that in Blake Fisher when I saw it
at Notre Dame that you can get kind of a
gauge on a guy just by watching that, and I
think he's got I think Zabel's got that now. Obviously
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he's got to move to guard. But I saw the
Senior Bowl. Look, it wasn't perfect, but you could just
see the willingness, the toughness, the strength. I mean, his
little body is just I mean stout so.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
And he's gonna take over the room though, Johnny Booker.
And he comes in from Alabama, a semi pro team, Yeah,
pro tem, So he comes in from there. If you
come in from North Dakota State, you can't take over
the room day one.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
I don't think day one. I think that's tough. I
think that's tough. But I know that when Belichick, I'm
trying to think. I think Nick was already here. When
Belichick drafted Cole Strange from Chattanooga at the bottom of
the first round, and he, to me, is a lot
like Gray's Abel. Kind of tough, no flare. He's got
no pads on his arm, no tape. It's just a
helmet his pads and that's it, right.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
He just and goes in place. Just kind of a
street tough dude.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
Belichick drafted him twenty nine, a lot of people thought
he was gonna go into third, second, third round. That's
where I thought he was gonna go. But I loved him,
and I understood now, and I understand now why Belichick
loved him with the Patriots. So I absolutely could see
Gray's Abel being that guy for sure. I took Derek
Harmon from Michigan State, the defensive lineman. I was the
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only one to mock him, and I feel like people
have missed the boat. I feel like defensive line is
still in play.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
For this team, yes or no.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Yes, the defensive line is in play, but the favorites
wide receiver and interior offensive line.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
Yes, okay, interior defensive line, yeah, I would say that's third, third, Yeah,
But if Derek.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
Harmon is there, I wouldn't be I would not be opposed.
I would not be opposed. That guy could take over
a game and a heartbeat. He did against Ohio State
in regular season. It was dominant, absolutely dominant. Okay, we
get back a reminder about Mark and I being on
the road on Tuesday, and more.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
News from the NFL. Next on Texans All Access.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Tepping everybody one final segment before we turn it over
to Kevin Cougler and the crew on Westwood One call
the National Championship game. It's Couga's tonight. And if you
know why say it that way, well, you know my
man kJ somewhere wherever you are, kJ, I know you're
biting your fingernails, but you are ready for tonight's game,
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as I know a lot of Koog's out there are.
I am so excited to watch this game, so proud
of my team from Houston. They have done incredible, incredible
things for the community and for that university.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
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in before we close the show. Trayvon Walker, number one
overall pick of the twenty two and two.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
Draft, had his fifth year option exercised by the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
Not too surprise. Did hear some.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Trade rumors that are kind of going around, but nothing substantial.
So Treyvon Walker fifty year option exercise for the Jacksonville Jaguars,
though Las Vegas Raiders have seen enough of Jack Jones
the corner they are releasing him. Just not a great
year in twenty twenty four. He's always kind of had
(46:23):
issues wherever he's been in his career.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
And now he is looking for a job.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
This one stood out to me as kind of kind
of odd in a sense because I like me some
Brecee Hall Aaron Glenn plans to use three running back approach,
says bries Hall is in a good place, but we
got three good backs and we're going to use them
all man, Breese Hall. If that makes Breese Hall mad,
(46:53):
I don't know. I'd listen if you know what I'm
talking about. Yeah, three running back playing in place. I mean,
I don't mind three running backs.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
That's not really my issue. But Bristol is pretty eamn good.
He could be RB one, he can be RB one,
two and three, but just give it a two headed monster.
He and Braylan Allen.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
That'd be good stuff. But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
See what the Jets do. I love Ag so he
knows what he's doing. We'll see what that turns out
to be for the Jets. Big thanks to Mark. Call
you for listening. We will see you tomorrow, hopefully celebrating
a Cougar championship member. We are out at BMW out
in Katie tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
Get on out there.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Will Anderson football Nico Collins helmet get on out there
and enjoy it with us.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
We'll see it that on everybody, and as always go Texans.
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