April 9, 2025 • 47 mins
Should the Texans stay...or trade back at 25th overall in the 2025 NFL Draft? The Texans Radio Crew discussed that idea and a whole lot more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Happy Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Everybody, Welcome in Texans All Access from the Hyundai Texans
Radio Studio. Yes, back in house tonight after our wonderful
remote last night out at BMW West Houston. It was
great John Harris alongside the Voice that Texans, Mark vandermer Mark.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
I was hell of event last night.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
I was fun.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
That was fun.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
It was fun to see a lot of the people
who used to come to a lot of the old
shows when we were out old, when we were out
before COVID out every week, and we're gonna get out more.
I think we'll do some stuff in the team shop,
We'll do some stuff out and about. It was great
to be at BMW. Will be out more places. It's
good to go out and be with the peeps, with
the Texans fans. Everybody fired up for the draft. Two
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weeks from Thursday. Two weeks from tomorrow, Johnny, here we go.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Two weeks from tomorrow, Avenita's downtown.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Come find us. It's going to be unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
In fact, you and I need to talk about parking
now we get down there that night.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yeah, we might need some help. We'll park somewhere, yeah, well.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Somewhere in the vicinity and then walk over to the stage.
Draft is gonna be fun. Texans do not pick until
pick number twenty five. We've talked about that a bunch,
but on tonight's show, we're gonna have in the labs
mock draft. Ooh, we ended up with the player. There
are two players that I have said, Mark, and you'll
hear this in the lab. There are two players that
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get the Vonte mac no matter what status for me.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Okay, two players. You'll reveal that later. Reveal that later,
So Vonte Mack no matter what status. That's the first
of the movie Draft Day, Yes, which you watch every
year around the draft.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
As not as a guide, but just as an entertaining
way to kill time before I have to drive to
the draft. That's what I did. My first draft with
you was twenty fourteen. Yeah, and we did it in
I think we were in the North We were in
the North End zone area, Yeah, and drafted start till seven.
Had to kind of kill time, and at that point,
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I believe Draft Day was actually out in the theater.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I think I went to the theater. I think that
was the first year, right, Yeah, And I went.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
To the theater and watched Draft Day and I thought, Okay,
this is cool and it was a great weekend.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Dviian Clowney, C. J.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Norwich, Andre Howe drafted a lot of great names, a
lot of great guys are drafted, and I was like, Okay,
I like this. I think I'm going to do this
for now on. So that's become my draft day thing
to do. Well, that movie ritual. Look, it's no moneyball.
It tries to be, but it's not.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
It's not.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
And if you let it go, which I have to,
and treat it like this is really taking place over
three four months.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Yeah, because in the course of a day I always
make fun of who's got the number four pick. He's
asking like you need to ask this, right, hey, GM,
You've been spending way too much time with Jennifer Garner
in that closet, so you should know these things right
off the top of your head. I mean, this is
who's the general manager in Jacksonville at young guy, It's like,
are you even working?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Costner? Like, do you even work here?
Speaker 4 (02:53):
This is not a part time job, your GM of
a football team. Well, that's the question you would ask,
Like if he's just getting high.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Even then you would know if you're a GM.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I mean, it would be one of the reasons why
they're drafting at number seven because he doesn't know who
the gms are in the league. I still, I still,
We've got to talk to Omar about this. We've got
to make this happen. We've got to play two to
three minute clips with Nick and just see his reaction
to some of the things in Draft Day.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
That would be so good. I mean, yeah, I mean,
it's got to happen.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
We have a lot of things for Nick to do,
like his Tariffs podcast. I don't know if that's ever
gonna happen, the Draft Day podcast, don't know if that's
ever gonna happen. These things will probably never happen, but it's.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Fun to talk about because I think Nick doing a
Draft Day podcast would be absolutely like not miss Yeah,
Like the Chargers did that with Tom Telasco. They watched
Draft Day. They had him watch certain parts of Draft
Day and him react to it, and it was funny
because there were a couple of moments where he was like, Yeah,
that actually that actually happens. But then there are a
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lot of them you could just see this befuddled look
on his.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Face, like what what what? What's that? So there's some parts, but.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Still watching film on Callahan the night of the draft,
while the draft is going on.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
You make the trade for number one in the morning
and then walk in your draft room and say, hey,
we need a scouting report basically if this guy.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Over the next Because I haven't been working at all,
I don't even know what you.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Guys do, haven't done anything, but yeah, we're gonna look
at so Ju and I'll have a mock draft a
little bit later on number twenty five. Where do you think?
What do you think we did at number twenty five?
Do you think we traded or do you think we
uh we stick a pick? What number mock draft is
this for you guys? I think it's probably number four?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Okay, five? You probably did all sorts.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Of weird stuff, I'll be honest, not really, really honestly not.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Because we didn't. We didn't get wacky.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
I was listening to Jim Miller and Pat Curling on
the way back from the show last night NFL Radio.
It's late and Area forty five was in a break.
I flicked over to them and they they have done
I think this is their second one, and they were
reviewing it as if I mean the level of seriousness
ye that they were paying to their mock draft. Well,
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Pats said, well, what the Steelers, you know, I figured
this and that and the other thing. And he's going,
he traded the pick and he did all this stuff.
And I'm thinking, and the Steelers fans are calling in
because they're freaking out. Like, guys, you understand, a mock
draft means pretend right, this is not the real draft,
So don't freak out over what they do.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
How could you do this? Right?
Speaker 4 (05:26):
You know, he doesn't really have his hand at the
controls of the Steelers draft. I think you, guys, being
your fourth Marck draft, probably traded the pick.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
So we'll find out later on the show.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
You will find out, Okay, I'll put it this way,
Vonte mac No matter what.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
No matter where, irrelevant, Okay, if he's very no matter
what player is there, obviously you take him. If you
fear that another team is going to come up and
snatch him, you trade up. Those things are always tricky.
You know, we were talking about this last night. Rick
Smith moving up what twelve's no. Fifteen spots to take no.
Thirteen spots in spots to take to Shaun Watson, which
was huge, but the year before it took Will Fuller,
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moving up one spot Washington. So they flipped picks with
Washington who took Dotson.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
No, I can't remember who Washington took, but I think
it was a receiver. If I remember was a receiver,
I can't run, but I can't remember who it is.
So they flipped picks. Why did they need to if
Washington wanted Fuller? Did they threaten to take Fuller?
Speaker 4 (06:24):
I have a feeling Washington called Rick or they talked,
and Washington said, Team X is offering us why to
move up, and they want to take Fuller, So what
are you willing to do to move up and take Fuller?
To which point, if I was Rick, I might have said, well,
why wouldn't you take their deal? Are you just doing
me a solid? Because I got to imagine whatever they're
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offering you is more than what I'm about to now.
Maybe he offered them more to make sure he got
will Fuller.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
I think these are the stories I'd love to hear
the stories I never hear. I think you can absolutely
wind yourself into circles. Just keep going and going and
going in circles because you sit there and go, Okay, well,
Washington's willing to do this deal, but why are they
willing to do that deal?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Are they willing to do that deal because they don't
like Fuller? Woll If they don't like Fuller, then why
or why do we like Fuller? Do we really want
to do this? I mean, we're locking this up, We're
giving away a pick for a guy that the guy
the team that's drafting doesn't even want. But we really
like this guy. We think he's got we know he's
got four three. So you just start going in circles,
I would imagine in your mind, and you have to
be so convinced or convince yourself that that's the right pick,
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that is absolutely the thing we want to do.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
How do we feel about this?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
And then come to a collective decision and then finally
you know it's the deal has to be made. And
for Fuller it ended up working out really really well.
I'm trying to remember who the receiver was for Washington.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I'll tell you in a second.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
It makes me I'm pulling it up right now because
we'll oh, that's the Laramie Draft. Actually at twenty sixteen
draft Yeah, that's the Laramie draft that was.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
It was Docson Doctors and oh Josh Dockson from TSCU. Yeah, right,
and I think out of that the Texans ended up
winning that.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Deal, even though Will ended up moving on in free agency,
right and Twedwell went next.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah to the Vikings, those two picks basically busted big time.
How about time, how about if it was the Vikings
it was that close, whereas the Washington GM at the
time was it It wasn't Vinnie anymore. In twenty sixteen
to Washington GM at the time said to Rick, Listen,
the Vikings want to jump up and take fuller, but
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I'll take your deal instead if you give me whatever. Yeah,
I mean I want to you know, look, a lot
of this has to do with relationships. You know, we
talk about the trade for Deshaun at twenty seventeen. Apparently
Rick Smith had a relationship with Sashi Brown and they
had a deal kind of worked out, kind of hammered
out that if the guy the Texans wanted was on
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the board at that time, Hey, let's hammer this deal out.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Let's have it ready to go.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
And when they got to pick number twelve, Sashi was
kind of scorming his seat a little bit, and finally
Rick was like, look, you know, let's we agreed.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
On this, Let's do this, Sashi. All right, they did
it and we end.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Up getting Deshaun Watson at that time, and it turned
out to be a good pick for the first four
or five years, and then things obviously in sideways. But
it just goes to relationships. Who do you know, who
have you made deals with in the past. Can you
speak the same language as somebody?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
You know?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
The deal for Kenyan Green when Nick talked about that,
for Chauncey Gardner Johnson, they had a relationship. They've done
deals before, They've done that deals on draft day. It
just makes it that much easier when you have somebody
that you know, it speaks the same language is on
your level. You're not gonna get fleeced. You just know
you're gonna get a good deal. You can talk value,
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the value is going to be similar. And that's what
Nick has done. Nick has really done that. I feel
like Rick did that too and didn't get a lot
of credit for it. I think Nick has done that
in spades. Nick knows everybody, you know everybody throughout the league.
You think Nick is not going to know that Jeff
Carson is the g I'm down in Jacksonville on Draft Day.
Nick's gonna know, and he's got him in the phone
when it pops up, he knows exactly what they're calling
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about and what they're gonna do. And so to me
it makes twenty five pretty interesting. But for us on
in the lab, it was one of our two guys.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Wait, hang on one second, back to twenty sixteen for
a moment. He traded a sixth rounder in twenty seventeen
to move up next year.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah, the next year.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Yeah, so the next year for one spot, for one spot,
which says to me, maybe Scott McCloughan was the general manager.
Oh yeah, maybe he said, listen, I don't care. I
might take fuller. I might not give me a six
to lock them up right, I'm gonna go next after you.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I mean, my guess is Minnesota had to have offered
more than a sixth the next year to move up
two spots in the first round from eighteen to sixteen,
or Minnesota and Washington sat there and said, look, we've
got these receivers rating on the board. We have these
three how do we feel about these three guys, Is
there any of them that we wouldn't take at pick
twenty four?
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
We like all three. We're gonna get one of maybe Minnesota.
Dam me a call, right, maybe watch you call them?
Like no, no, no, We're gonna just sit here and let
things play out. Maybe he just lied. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Yeah, I mean, who knows not Rick drafts it was
twenty one, I said sixteen. I was getting it confused
with the year pick number twenty one that first yeah, yeah, look,
Fuller was a hell of a player. He just couldn't
stay healthy and eventually just decided to hang them up
in Miami because he got paid. And then the rehab
after rehab after rehab.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
I think that happens to a lot of guys I'm
actually tired of all the time.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
There's no doubt the thing about that that of those
three guys, Josh Docks and TCU Laquon treadwell with the
Vikings and Will Fuller.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
The Texans won that.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I mean they won that one on that one, you know, yeah,
and the other one that that kind of falls in
that category we talked about last night was twenty nineteen.
Because the narrative around here was we got to improve
the offensive line to Sean can't get sacked sixty two times. Again,
We've got to have dudes come in here and play
in the offensive line. And right before the Texans are
about to pick, the Eagles jump up and go Andre Dillard.
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Because throughout the process, everybody knew that Texas were gonna
take Dillard. He was mocked to the Texans at twenty
whatever we were at that point, it was gonna be Dillard.
Everybody talked about Dillard. He was a pass protector out
of Washington State. I talked about him, lom Hold. Texans
really didn't have Andre Dillard on their on their radar screen.
He had Titus kind of locked in their sites for
a while.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
He was a pick.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
And now you look at it and go, look, Titus
has not gotten in the Pro Bowl. But Titus is
given you a whole hell of a lot more than
the Eagles ever got a Andre Dillard.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Well, you look at Tys' career.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
I mean, he's he's had trouble staying healthy, yeah for sure, right,
but he's been part of a lot of nice wins
for this team. He's also been part of three very
frustrating years in twenty twenty, twenty one, twenty two. But look,
we are where we are. He's part of the deal
right now, and you're coming off the back to back
divisions hoping to go further than the divisional round.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Titus Howard plays more games at either guard or tackle
in twenty twenty five guard. You think that's you think
I's sick going forward? Yeah, here's what I don't know.
And you tell me, you experts, tell me that Blake
is not.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
You and all your knowledge, Berts, you and all your
football knowledge.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
But I know this.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
When Laramie couldn't practice in training camp last year, where
were they putting Blake left tackle because they wanted Titus
to get adjusted again to right tackle. You know we're
not going to move you to guard this year. Oh
wait a minute, but it happened again. We all know
it because they got depleted injuries they needed to do it.
But is Blake Sneaky your left tackle and then Titus
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is your right tackle? Now they have Cam Robinson, we
get it, and Brown. I think Trent is there to
play right if necessary, and insurance and more of a
mc khalil type of signing. Not mc khalil better than
that but you know what I'm saying, because that was
at the end. But Trent, he might be at the
end too, but he is. I think he's got more
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gas left in the tank. And it's more like insurance.
You know, we got a lot of options here. Let's
see how it goes. Wait, what were we saying last
year when they drafted the dbs, Because you never know
if that's going to work out? Right, you never know
if last or is going to be good. Bullet, it's
going to be good. Those guys were really good, really good.
So they became starters. And you know, Bullock, who might
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not be in there in base, but you know when
you have Jimmy healthy and Petrie healthy and all that.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
But he got in there.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
But he got in there and he was playing a lot,
and he was making all a play, made a lot
of plays, and then you couldn't get him off the
field ballhawk And by this second we go tas Kamari
had shown them so much that he they were like,
he's already out at Premier corner and they move Petrie
to the nickel.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
But who'd they bring in last year at corner? They
brought it. They brought it CJ. Henderson.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
So these are the guys we were talking about last year, Like, okay,
one of those two guys will probably will have to
work out as an outside corner for you, but it
didn't work out that way. So maybe that's what happens
with the old lineman. This year, you draft couple relatively
early first four rounds, and well, you know, their rookies whatever,
but oh my gosh, they end up starting, or one
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of them ends up starting. All of a sudden, you
get that much deeper because you picked up a hot
rookie starter offensive lineman.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I mean, Kamori was starting from day one, yeah, and
I think he transformed the defense because it moved Petrie
into a spot that he was more comfortable.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Kamari was more than comfortable playing on the outside.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
He fit this defense hand and glove, and hopefully that's
what ends ends up happening the other line.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
By the way, this.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Football expert agrees with you that I do think that
Titus will play guard. I think guard is and I
think the main reason why is watching him play guard
the last part of the year. Was it perfect, No,
But I feel like he played guard pretty well, and
I feel like that's the just kind of the putting
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these pieces puzzle pieces together, that's the one where you go,
I this is the spot where I think it fits.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
If you drap Booker, he's right guard.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Booker's played left guard mainly, but I don't know left
right guard matters as much as left right right tackle.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
So you move tightest to right guard.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I think you probably leave tightest left guard and let
Booker adapt the right to the right guard.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
So Robinson's the left tackle and Blake is your right tackle.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I mean, if you'll draft Booker at twenty five Cam
and left tackle, Booker left guard, figure out who your
center is, a lot of competition emerge there.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Titus, Titus, No.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
I'm sorry, Cam left, then Titus, then a center, then
Booker than Blake.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Okay, that's the way.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
That's the way I would line it up right there
and then let guys compete their ass off.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
I'm curious if that's the starting lineup. Did Brown make
the team or did Brown get hurt or did Brown
just wither away?
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Did they cut him or is he on the squad.
This is really going to be interesting. We are talking
a lot about this, and treat a swing tackle. You
a guy that can play both sides. You do, I mean,
but you still have titus to put out there if
you have depth of.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Guard yeah goos. Yeah, a lot of ways you.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Can go, but you gotta have a lot more competition
than you had last year.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Of course, that is hugely important.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Now.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
A guy that we love to have on.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Each and every week is Jonathan Alexander, who's nice enough
to join us on Wednesdays to Tuesday. Because we were
out last night, Jonathan Alexander from the Houston Chronicle joins
just next right here on Texans on all Right, what's
happening everybody? Welcome back to Wednesday edition of Texans All
Access from Monday Texans Radio Studio, And it's a Wednesday night,
and I'm your host, John Harris Football and on the
Sideline Reporter. And typically on Tuesdays we have Jonathan Alexander.
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But because we were out and about last night at
BMW West Houston, which was great, Thank you so much
for everybody that came out to see us, we didn't
have a chance to get Jonathan Alexander on. Well, fast
forward twenty four hours, it being Wednesday, Jonathan Alexander joined
us right here. It's our weekly visit with Jonathan Alexander
of The Houston Chronicle. And Jonathan, last time you and
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I talked, we were at the NFL Annual Meetings, sweating
it out. Kind of a warm day, maybe unseasonably so,
but no one's gonna sympathize with us because we hate
We were on the beach, almost almost on the beach.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
How did you like the NFL Annual Meeting? What'd you
get out of it? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (18:08):
I mean to me, the NFL Annual Meetings are some
of the best offseason events because I think it's it's
closer towards the draft, and I think teams have a
broader sense of what their roster looks like and their
needs heading into the draft, who they like in the draft,
which prospects that they might have a chance to go after.
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So I think it was it was really good and fruitful.
And it's also a chance to get a chance to
talk to the you know owners in the Texans case,
the McNair's who you know. This is one of the
few times you get a chance to talk to them
about all encompassing things that are going on with the
with the team.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Well, the last time that I was excluded from a
Jhonathan Alexander interview was at the annual meetings, So thank
you very much. I did have FOMO. But Johnson, you
just ended up. You just wrote an article. I think
it was maybe in of last week beginning of this
uh kimra of the time, but I know it was
just recently about a potential new headquarters for the Texans.
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What did you kind of gather from putting that together
and what did you kind of find out about what
could be potentially are new headquarters in the future.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Yeah, the text the mayor's are interested in in building
uh or searching for a space to do it, to
build a headquarters. And actually there are one of four
NFL teams that that practice out of their stadium, the
others being the Bengals, the Panthers, and the Patriots and
and and you know, just speaking to Callahana, they want
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state of the art for their players. They see a
future and expanding with the Texans, and they're searching right
now for a place where they can put a heeadquarters.
And they think that because they're currently as it is,
as you all know, because you all are at the
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facility more often they share the space, they don't own it.
So you know, right now they have events like Disney
Princess on the ice, and sometimes that can get in
the way.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Of when you're trying to work out.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
So if they have a headquarters like other teams do,
and the Houston Rockets just built one this past offseason,
they would be able to work practice freely at their
headquarters and that's what they desire and they hope that
they can do it pretty soon. They didn't specify when
or where, but they seem pretty excited about it.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
So the two teams that you've been on the beat
for in the NFL are among the four that practice
out of their stadium. The Carolina Panthers the other team
that you covered. What is their situation, Like, I know,
they broke round on a facility over the border in
South Carolina. I make it seem like the border so
far away, over the border, they ventured so far.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
But that thing got derailed.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
What's their situation your understanding of it anyway, Jonathan.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
Yeah, I reported on the fallout of that. You know,
they had made an agreement with South Carolina rock Hill,
South Carolina, which is about forty minutes from the stadium,
to build a headquarters over the are where they could
practice soccer as well, and they had some requirements of
South Carolina, like some bonds that South Carolina was had
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agreed to pay in South Carolina did not rock Hill
in particular ultimately did not do that, and David Tepper
pulled his name out of the deal. So they ended
up half building the headquarters, Like you could see the
structure and how it looked, and then they just kind
of nixed the deal. And now Charlotte is my understanding,
it's still looking for a place to build a headquarters,
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but they're still practicing out of their stadium. So yeah,
that turned out to be a real bad mess. I
don't foresee you know that happening with Houston, but yeah,
that turned out to be a real bad mess over there.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
And Rocky Jonathan, we're inching ever so closely to the
NFL Draft. It feels like it's been flying along, but
yet it feels like it can't get your fast enough
pick number twenty five. And you an article the other day,
I think it was nineteen players that you had in
consideration for the Texans at pick number twenty five. I've
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told Mark Vandermier in secret, there is one player that
I would give the Vonte mac no matter what draft
day situation.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Two, how do you kind of see pick number twenty five?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Is there a pick or a player or two that
you think you're kind of honing in on that the
Texans will make that pick at twenty five? And look,
I know it to choose your own adventure novel to
get the number twenty five, But just what you know
about the team and know about where it is right now?
What do you think about number twenty five and has
it changed kind of since we started this whole draft
stuff back in January.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Yeah, I think the magin thing is like, you don't
quite know what's going to happen at twenty five, just
given that their twenty four teams ahead of you. I
also think that the Texans could decide that they want
to trade up or trade down in the drafts if
they find their guy. But you know, I listed nineteen
guys that they could take a Day one or Day two.
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You know, if somehow like a really top wide receiver
or a guard or tackle where to fall. I think
that is certainly positions that they target. Of course, you've
gotta like Tyler Booker from Alabama. He's one of my
favorites who I think would fit well in with the Texans.
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I think Gray Zabel is another guy who would be
a good fit for the Texans.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
He fits the culture.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
He isn't typically what you would see in a Nick
Cassario draft pick because he played for an FCS program,
but team captain leader dominated at the Senior Bowl where
the chechin we're there, Tyler Brooker, Alabama guy who you
know Nick co Sirio has picked from Jamiko Ryans alma mater.
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And then I think when you look at wide receivers,
Matthew Golden, who's a Texas guy and from Houston played
with Tank Dell. If he were to fall, then I
think he's potential option. And then the Mecca eg Buka
from Ohio State who played with CJ. Stroud. But I
think all of those guys also could be picked before
the Texans pick at number twenty five and may not
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be one of their choices to pick from. Kelvin Banks
another Texas guy who could be picked ahead too. So
it's just it just depends on how the first twenty
four picks go.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Yep, it has to, and we'll all be on pins
and needles trying to figure out who they're gonna pick,
and we'll be covering it live. That'll be two weeks
from Thursday. Okay, so loses both of you this.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Trade up, trade down or staying pick Jonathan Stay, trade up,
trade down?
Speaker 1 (24:59):
You don't know.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
You don't have to decide which will they do as
opposed to what we think they should do, right, Trade up,
trade down or sticking pick?
Speaker 1 (25:08):
What do you think?
Speaker 5 (25:09):
Okay, So this sounds like I'm taking an easy way out,
but I equally like trading up four picks, four or
five picks at most as I do like trading down.
To me, it really depends.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
On who is left on the board.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Again, my favorites are those those guys I mentioned. If
those guys are off, I definitely like trading back and
getting a guy like a Donovan Jackson later on in
that first round if you find a team to trade back.
So I think it really depends on who comes off
the board one of my favorites or off the If
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all my favorites are off the boards, then I trade back.
If I see one of those top guys right receivers dropping,
then you know I would in mind trading up for one.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
I think the only way they trade up is to
get the offensive lineman of their dreams. If that's Booker,
if that's is Able, whoever, it's the old lineman of
their dreams. I don't think they trade up to get
a Buca or Golden or one of the receivers, because
I believe that they believe.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
And I don't. I'm just speculating here, but.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
I believe that they believe they'll find a receiver, but
there might be a special offensive lineman that it's not
just the physical ability, it's the leader.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
It's going to be the leader of this unit. And
maybe not year one. He's a rookie.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
It's hard to lead, right, but they're drafting guys who
are emerging leaders like Cad Stover. I believe he's a leader,
but as a rookie, what can you really do. But
I believe he will be a difference maker on this
team in terms of psychology as well as his play
on the field. I'm not saying he's going to catch
eighty hundred balls, but Cad Stover is going to be
one of the leaders in the clubhouse, if you will,
in the locker room for this team. And I believe
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that if they move up it's to get the old
lineman that's not only good, but he's the leader to be.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Let's stick with Kate for a second, john Nan.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Tight end is a position that when you see different,
you know, entities put out their draft needs. Everybody's you know,
off the lineman, defensive lineman, wide receiver, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Where do you think.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Tight end sits in kind of the priority order to
try and find another tight end to go with the
group that they've got. They only got three on campus
right now, cached over being one of them, Dalton Shultz,
Brevin Jordan.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Not really a true why in line tight end?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Where do you think tight end sits in the priority
factor for the Texans?
Speaker 5 (27:31):
I think it's a pick that you can choose if
you find the right one, Like say, if a really
good one drops to you. But I don't think it'll be,
you know, their biggest priority per se because obviously you
have Dalton Schultz and you got cased over and Brevin Jordan.
Now they may need one for the future, so if
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one drops and I could see them drafting one, But
I don't think that if they had a choice between
the tight end, a guard, a tackle, and a wide
receiver that they would choose a tight end over that one.
But you know, if one does fall and you had
a good position to pick one, I could easily see
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them choosing one because that person could be helpful for
the future.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Titans picking cam Ward first, which is the consensus belief,
is that the right decision? Or would you trade down
and acquire picks because they have a lot of different needs.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
With the Titans.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Yeah, if I'm the I take cam Ward. I think
you you he's the best quarterback in the draft. I
think he certainly has a lot of potential. And when
when one is there, I think you take him, and
I think you. I don't think you can move forward
with Will Levis says your quarterback of the future.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
How in air quotes, far does shdor Sanders quote unquote fall?
Speaker 5 (28:54):
Oh okay, Yeah, that's a good question, because you know,
I was looking at a at a mock draft not
too long ago. I actually don't think he'll fall that far.
I think he'll be somewhere in the top ten. I
think us, Yes, I don't think he'll get past the Saints.
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I was actually looking at a modern draft not too
long ago, and to me, that made a lot of
sense to me. I think teams are two quarterback hungary
to let somebody who has potential drop that far in
the draft, so I think he'll he'll stay in the
top ten.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Cool, Jonathan. What do you have going on in the
Houston Chronicle for us?
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yes, so I have a few.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
I'll have a mock draft coming up this weekend. Today
I posted my mail bag where I answered a lot
of people's questions about the Texans and the upcoming draft,
and we'll have more draft coverage in the near future
on Houston chic dot com.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Sounds good, Jonathan, thanks a lot for joining us.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
I think there is.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Jonathan Alexander of the Houston Chronicle. Love gett jay on
shade him moving his segment to Wednesday, and it was
great as always. All right, coming up finish up the show.
We got a little in the lab mock draft. Who
are the two players that I give a Vonte mac
no matter what stamp of approval at number twenty five. Yes,
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I have two of them. We'll go over that and
what we do for the rest of the draft. Next
the Texas Axis. We got one final segment this edition
of Texas All Access from the Texans Radio studio. It's
time for the in the Lab mock draft version. I
think four point oh cruder and myself sat down and
cranked this out.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Tell us what you think, John, I can't believe it.
This is the penultimate. I love say pennouncements, which is
next to less great word pribe pedantic to say penultimate,
But anyways, it's pab pedantic to say, but padantic. This
is the next to last mock draft simulation we're gonna
do on ma in the lab. Yeah, less than two
weeks away from the fl draft. Sound a little bit
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like George McFly there. Hey, get your damn hands off.
But anyways, we are set. Let's get rocket and rolling.
You ready for this, let's go, let's go, let's do it.
So here we go. We're gonna share the screen and
as you know, as you know, we use the Pro
Football Network mock Draft simulator and we love it because
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they have trades. So here we go, Johnny, We're doing
seven rounds. Click over here, going fast because always too fast,
too furious, and we're going to click on Houston. We're
going to enter the solo draft, and here we go.
We're going to make the Houston Texans a better football
team by choosing some of these guys. So we've entered
the solo draft. Names are flying off the board, and
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at twenty five, the Texans have some options. Before we
look at those options, and my mouth is watering when
I see one of the options. Tampa Bay wants to
send us a crap package of a second, a third,
a second and third over the next two years. No
thank you, Tampa Bay. Get lost. The Saints want to
give us their two and their three. Thanks a lot,
(32:09):
No thanks, This is interesting. The Rams want us to
move back one spot and they want to give us
a fifth rounder that they have next year. I'm not
against that, but John, seeing this name right here, twenty
third ranked name overall, which I think could probably be
ranked higher, Tyler Booker, the offensive lineman from Alabama, I
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just want to run up and turn the card in.
With about seventeen seconds into the fifteen minute alignment.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Here's where that trade offer from the Rams would worry
me because I think they would be trading up because
they see the same name. Yeah, and so I would think, no,
we're not going to take that. We would get I
think a twenty twenty six to fifth to go down
one spot. I wouldn't do it because I think the
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Rams want that same name.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
I thought that they also just saw Grey z Abel
get picked a spot ahead right at four by.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Exactly, so you kind of fear that run of the
two or three guys that you're thinking about that spot.
And it makes me think of Draft Day and in
you know the reason I think of that movie. I
can't why I'm blanket on. Oh it's one.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Spot in time out. John Harris here he started following
the draft and getting into the draft after he saw
the Kevin Coster movie Draft Day.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
That that's that's false, that's false. But I do.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I do watch Draft Day. It's an I do watch
Draft Day. Oh, here's why I was thinking of Draft Day.
Kevin Coster writes in the post it do you remember
what he writes in the post?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
It Vonte Mack no matter what got it?
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is Tyler Booker is my Vonte Mack.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Tyler Booker, no matter what, he's there, snatch him.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Let's rock. I think Tyler Booker is the right pick
there at twenty five. So we're making Adam, you did it?
Oh hmm, okay, here's an interesting one.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
The trade offers.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Yeah, fifty eight and one of your sevenths to move
back eleven. So move up to the one hundred and
six pick. Right, you'd be out of the second round,
but you'd have a third and a and you.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Get a fourth. And that's one thing the Texas don't have, Drew.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
We don't have a six because that right now as
it sits after pick eighty nine, because we go fifty eight,
seventy eight, eighty nine I believe is the numbering and
then it's all the way to one sixty six.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Yeah, So I would be prone to.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Make this deal with New England because I get sixty
nine and moved down eleven spots. I moved down to
the top of the round and third round, but I
also get a fourth round or at the top of
the fourth round. I do have to give up my
seventh round pick, but I'm okay doing that. Yeah, I
like this trade offer.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (34:46):
I like it too, and I'm I'm prone to take it,
but I want to see what else is out there. Okay,
move back to with the Lions and add one ninety six.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
I actually like the Patriots one a little bit more
because I like that top of the fourth round pick
at one O six.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Look who's here before we do this? Ok, you got
Wyatt Milam from Virginia. You don't like him high? I like?
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I like him. I think that's probably a little bit
high for him.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Caleb Johnson run.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
He is really fun man.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
If if the Texans are going to be a wide
zone team, Caleb Johnson is absolutely the pick, no doubt,
he's the pick. Well, we've already taken Donavan Jackson. I
think Cherie is a really good tackle. We talked about
him before took Booker. Who took Booker? We took Booker
and I like Erserie.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
But I don't.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
I don't love him. I actually would like to see
him in the third round. But that's just me. He's
kind of kind of long and awkward a little bit.
But look, one of the things I've always said, he
gets guys blocked. Somehow, he gets guys blocked. I like
pick fifty seven or the player of number fifty seven,
Jalen Royals wide receiver Utah State.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
I would be very tempted.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
I don't know, and this this might change everything for
me because I don't know that we could get him
down at sixty nine and that's so.
Speaker 6 (35:59):
I'll leave to you, Drew, because I like Jalen Royals.
Let's take I like that Patriots trade offer. That is
a nice offer. But let's get Let's get guys we
think can help. I think we'll be there. So let's
take you Jalen Royal.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Six foot twol five thick, strong, fast, very fast, but
lightning change of direction.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
I think it's a good pick. With taking Jayden Royals
at fifty eight.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Hey, you want to move back five spots and add
on a seventh next year?
Speaker 2 (36:24):
No?
Speaker 3 (36:24):
No, you want to add a third next year and
move back about I'm not not into that.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
So we got two trade offers. No, I don't think
either want of them look good. So we're sitting at
seventy nine.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Okay, you got the highest rate players defensive tackle from Toledo, Darius.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Alexander do this easily? Yes, Yeah, that's your guy. That's
that's the guy. I have him rated in the forties. Oh,
I think he is a stud. Now he's a little
bit older. That's kind of one of the things against him.
But he was at Toledo for six years. Dude, His long, fast, athletic,
great pass rush moves.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Darius Alexander would end up being a player for us
for sure.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Okay, here we are, we're picking again at eighty nine.
We're getting asked to give up eighty nine and a
seventh yep, to move back seven spots and also pick
up one thirty four from the Eagles. Let's remember that one, okay,
and then let's move back and not really get great
stuff from Washington. Now, I'm I'm cool with some of
the first one. But I see Elijah Arroyo available the
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tight end out of Miami, and I know you like
him a lot.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Yeah, I don't understand why he's at number ninety. I
really don't. He's a tremendous seam runner.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
I mean, he's gonna be a one on one matchup
nightmare for defensive backs. I think I think it's gonna
be really tough for him. Gunner Helm is also on
the board at eighty seven. I think Arroyo is a
little bit better athlete than Helm.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
But I don't know that you go wrong with either one. Now,
what we've already done.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
If you think about what we've already picked, We've picked
Donovan Jackson, guard tackle, Tyler Booker, which dart Yet, why
do I keep saying donvand Jackson. We got Tyler Brooker
the guard. Then the second round we got Jalen Royals. Yeah,
and then we got Darius Alexander. So we've hit the
three positions interier, offens line, inter defensive line, and wide
receiver that many people, us included think that's the way
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that we should go.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
So to me, I think tight end is up there now.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
I think you would probably look at more of an inline.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Blocking tight end, and I think Arroyo is.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Very willing, but I don't know that that's his core competency.
I think if you're looking for an in line, why
Jackson Hawes from Georgia Tech. Maybe in the fifth or
sixth round. So I like these two tight ends tho
that are on a board. I like DJ Giddons, the
running back from Kansas State, who's also on the board
right there.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Yeah, there's also Terrence Ferguson available. Yeah, lower down.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Another another tight end I really like out of organ
So I kind of want to do this trade with
the I do too, because you're only going down seven
spots and you still have those three guys you like, and.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
You're dumping a seventh to move up into the you
know earlier earlier in the drafts now we lost to Arroyo.
Gunner Helm is there, but.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Gunnerhilm is there, and also Terrence Ferguson is there now I.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Know, and Hill and Fairchild other guard if you want
to keep going offensive line from.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Good solid football player.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
But I think for right now I kind of like
what we have at guard by having taken Tyler Booker
with adding Edit Ingram and also Lake and Tomlinson depending
on what you gonna do with Titus Howard Titus could
play guard.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
So I think you're guard wise.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
I think I might be okay there, Okay, I have
Hilm Ferguson.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
I have Ferguson rated ahead of Helm. Do you really
I do? Yeah? Goodness, okay, well yeah, not by much.
But I have Ferguson rated ahead of it.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
And he must be good because gunner Helm is one
of those guys that I had a just a casual
football crush on. I like dudes at hurdle people. I
like big dudes at hurdle. He's a big dude that
hurdles guys. He played for the Longhorns. But if you
say Ferguson is the guy, but don't get me wrong though.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Don't get me wrong though, I like Gunnerhilm a lot.
I really like Gunner Heilm. He's just not quite the
athlete that Ferguson is.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
And let's do Ferguson. Is that our pick?
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Well, here's the other here we're gonna thrown the wrinkle
in there. I mentioned DJ Giddons is the running back.
DJ Giddon's running back from Kansas State. Now as a priority,
which one do you think is a little higher? I
didn't think it's tight end, But I don't know that
either Helm or Ferguson are going to scratch the itch
really that we need as an inline blocker at tight end. Okay,
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Giddins I think gives you a little bit more in
a passing game.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
I think could be a really dynamic dude with a
ton of speed.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Let's scratch itches. Then let's take Giddins. Okay, let's take Gidtens.
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Let's take Gttings in Kansas State, the running back.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Taking your four picks, and now you've added one in
here in the fourth round, and the Titan the Jaguars
wants you to move back and move I don't really
want that one.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Nah, I don't trade with the Gladstone exactly.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Okay, so we're picking again. Okay, we got another running back.
No thanks, quin yours, No thanks. Howard Crossed the third
defensive tackle from Notre Dame Jordan Phillips. Defensive tackle from
Notre Dame Jackson Slater. What do you think I mean?
Speaker 1 (40:52):
I like him.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
I like Jackson Slater. He's a center, slash guard. Tough,
really tough dude.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Strong.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Uh, there's one that I see there that it really
intrigues me. And I'll tell you why. He played at
the University of Houston, but then he transferred his final
year to Oregon and played alongside Derek Harmon, who I
really like.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
You know that.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
He was in my mock draft, first round Texans pick,
the last mock draft I did.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Jamari Caldwell was fantastic throughout his senior year. He is
a big dude who can move.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
And I like that. I like that a lot.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
And we got Darius Alexander. He's a little different. He's
three hundred five pounds, which licks sleek, can really rush
the quarterback. Jamory Caldwell is a guy that at three
hundred and twenty five three hundred thirty pounds is agile
and can really move. I like Jamury Caldwell right here
in the fourth ron. This would be a great fourth
throng pick. I'm in okay, he's picked all right. Nice,
So now you're gonna wait a little bit because of
the trades, yep, that have happened. But you got the one, six, six,
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you got the fifth. You were just still there.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Jordan Phillips is still there, a guy we've taken before
a mock draft still and Samson the running back is
still there. But we're not gonna do that here today.
You like Jake brining stool or he's.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
More of a pass catching title. I'm okay with that,
But that pick right there, one forty seven. JJ Pegeese tackle.
I know we've taken defensive tackle, but I'm gonna throw you.
I'm gonna throw you the ultimate curveball. JJ Pegeese could
actually be our big man version of Travis Hunter. He
could play defensive tackle, but at the Combine they had
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him work out at fullback and he ran routes and
caught the football and just look awesome. Fantastic. Ole Miss
would get in wildcat and put him. He's a former quarterback,
and they would put him in the wildcat and they
would just run power with him, and he picked up
first downs.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
I don't know how many times JJ Pegeese.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
I know it says defensive tackle, but he could beat
a little like a different weapon to use offensively in
addition to him playing defensive tackle, learning how to play
defensive tackle.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Now, forty seven year old Drew Doherty likes this. Eight
year old Andy Doherty, who was a huge fan of
William the Reviger. Yeah, there you go, I'm saying, but
I just got to throw up one more thing. Okay.
Jonah Manheim, a center from USC. Are you interested or yes?
Speaker 1 (43:09):
I'm very interested. I like Jonah Monheim.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
He I think he went from tackle to center in
twenty twenty four at USC. When I saw him at
the Senior Bowl, I was really impressed with his grit,
kind of his toughness. He's think USC kind of flashed,
but he was really tough, really kind of latched onto blocks.
He didn't win every one, but you could just tell
there's kind of a grimy, gritty, swarm like attitude. If
you gave me Monheim here one sixty six, I'd be
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very very happy. I also like one sixty six on
Pfens board, Mile Miles Frasier, who's got long arms and
plays guard. He's got some technique work to do, but
he transferred from FIU, and I think he played about
as well as he could have at LSU. So I
think there are some definite, good, good options on the
board right here.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
I'm gonna let you make the pick.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
Though, you know, I kind of like the Monheim pick
because I just want to keep raising the level competition there.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
I like it in center. I like it good.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
Let's do it. See, I like it. That's gonna be
a little while before we pick again.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Yeah, we have the seventh and folly the seventh.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
We've dumped one of those picks, so I think we
only had one left. Yeah, you see the names coming
off the board and career. The Texans got.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
Two forty one.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Okay, let's see at the tip top you got Ty Hamilton.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Oh, good player. Man.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
If I didn't have we didn't already have taken two
defensive tackles, I would be all over Ty Hamilt's right now.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Jackson Hawes from Georgia Tech.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
That's the guy mentioned.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
Another name, Cody Simon Team Star, great, great senior year.
So we've taken Cody Simon before. But you like Jackson
Hall's a tight end. What are you thinking here?
Speaker 2 (44:42):
I just feel like Jackson Hawes as an inline blocking
tight end.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
He's an Ivy leaguer. He went to Yale.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
I won't hold that against him, but at Georgia Tech
he really showed what a blocker he is.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
But then when you went the Senior Bowl, I'm.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Expecting, Okay, I'm watching this guy block, but I'm watching
run some good routes.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
He's got good soft hands.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
I'm not saying that he's gonna turn out, you know,
to catch seventy five eighty balls in a year. But
I just feel like to have somebody that just gets
after it as an inline blocker at the y position,
at tight end position.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
That just frees you up with Kate Stover, It frees
you up with Dalton Schultz.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
I'm not saying you get a guy at seventh round
he's gonna be a starter either, but you can at
least can at least go in that direction.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
So Jackson Hawes would be the pick here.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
I like the guys we mentioned Hamilton, but we've already
got two defensive tackles, yeah, Raheem Sanders speedy, linear, fast,
big back.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
But we already got.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
DJ Giddens who gives us that, and then he gives
us some wiggle as well. Kyle Oliver reviewed interesting kind
of hybrid stack edge Rusherna Zerr stackhouse. Again, We've got
a number of defense tackles. MC McWilliams I think is
underrated corner. But to me, I think Jackson Hawes is
is the pick. But I'll let you make the final decision.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Drew.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
I'm gonna oh cool, Jackson Hawes. There it is all right.
So here's the here's the final pali you get. We
get the guy that we've a lot of folks have
lusted after. Booker at the tip top and the other
book Jalen Royle's wide receiver. Can you think come in
and make some plays for the seconds from Utah State
yet Darius Alexander d tackle who you kind of think
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is a steal there at seventy nine and then are
running back in DJ Giddens, Jamari Caldwell the d tackle,
Jonah Manheim a center and tight end to round things out,
Jackson Hawes. We made some trades, so we stayed true
to our Nick Cassio kind of model, making multiple trades,
not maybe not as many as Nick might meg or
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has made, but some trades. Nonetheless, you cool with that.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
I'm very very cool with that draft.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
I like what we've done there, good diversity amongst the
defensive tackles, one bigger, one a little bit sleeker. I
love getting Booker, Like I said the draft day, Mantravonte Mack,
no matter what, Tyler Booker, no matter what at twenty five,
I would absolutely love that.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
Booker alone makes it feel like a big, big degory. Absolutely,
and then the other stuff that's icing on a delicious cake, Yes,
is very frosty.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
Well, said Druceph. We had a good time with that one.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
Appreciate Drew for stopping by, Mark for being here, Jonathan Alexander,
the Houston Chronicle, all of you out there for listen.
We cannot thank you enough. The draft is eight days
away and we'll see if the Texans end up making
a pick on Thursday night, the twenty fourth. You never
know with Nick Cassario, but cannot wait for our draft
parties Downtown Avenue.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
It is Houston.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
It's gonna be a blast, so make sure you get
out there, see us, listen to us, and we'll see
you tomorrow. Everybody, and as always, go Texans.
Happy Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Everybody, Welcome in Texans All Access from the Hyundai Texans
Radio Studio. Yes, back in house tonight after our wonderful
remote last night out at BMW West Houston. It was
great John Harris alongside the Voice that Texans, Mark vandermer Mark.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
I was hell of event last night.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
I was fun.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
That was fun.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
It was fun to see a lot of the people
who used to come to a lot of the old
shows when we were out old, when we were out
before COVID out every week, and we're gonna get out more.
I think we'll do some stuff in the team shop,
We'll do some stuff out and about. It was great
to be at BMW. Will be out more places. It's
good to go out and be with the peeps, with
the Texans fans. Everybody fired up for the draft. Two
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weeks from Thursday. Two weeks from tomorrow, Johnny, here we go.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Two weeks from tomorrow, Avenita's downtown.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Come find us. It's going to be unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
In fact, you and I need to talk about parking
now we get down there that night.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yeah, we might need some help. We'll park somewhere, yeah, well.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Somewhere in the vicinity and then walk over to the stage.
Draft is gonna be fun. Texans do not pick until
pick number twenty five. We've talked about that a bunch,
but on tonight's show, we're gonna have in the labs
mock draft. Ooh, we ended up with the player. There
are two players that I have said, Mark, and you'll
hear this in the lab. There are two players that
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get the Vonte mac no matter what status for me.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Okay, two players. You'll reveal that later. Reveal that later,
So Vonte Mack no matter what status. That's the first
of the movie Draft Day, Yes, which you watch every
year around the draft.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
As not as a guide, but just as an entertaining
way to kill time before I have to drive to
the draft. That's what I did. My first draft with
you was twenty fourteen. Yeah, and we did it in
I think we were in the North We were in
the North End zone area, Yeah, and drafted start till seven.
Had to kind of kill time, and at that point,
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I believe Draft Day was actually out in the theater.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I think I went to the theater. I think that
was the first year, right, Yeah, And I went.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
To the theater and watched Draft Day and I thought, Okay,
this is cool and it was a great weekend.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Dviian Clowney, C. J.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Norwich, Andre Howe drafted a lot of great names, a
lot of great guys are drafted, and I was like, Okay,
I like this. I think I'm going to do this
for now on. So that's become my draft day thing
to do. Well, that movie ritual. Look, it's no moneyball.
It tries to be, but it's not.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
It's not.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
And if you let it go, which I have to,
and treat it like this is really taking place over
three four months.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Yeah, because in the course of a day I always
make fun of who's got the number four pick. He's
asking like you need to ask this, right, hey, GM,
You've been spending way too much time with Jennifer Garner
in that closet, so you should know these things right
off the top of your head. I mean, this is
who's the general manager in Jacksonville at young guy, It's like,
are you even working?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Costner? Like, do you even work here?
Speaker 4 (02:53):
This is not a part time job, your GM of
a football team. Well, that's the question you would ask,
Like if he's just getting high.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Even then you would know if you're a GM.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I mean, it would be one of the reasons why
they're drafting at number seven because he doesn't know who
the gms are in the league. I still, I still,
We've got to talk to Omar about this. We've got
to make this happen. We've got to play two to
three minute clips with Nick and just see his reaction
to some of the things in Draft Day.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
That would be so good. I mean, yeah, I mean,
it's got to happen.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
We have a lot of things for Nick to do,
like his Tariffs podcast. I don't know if that's ever
gonna happen, the Draft Day podcast, don't know if that's
ever gonna happen. These things will probably never happen, but it's.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Fun to talk about because I think Nick doing a
Draft Day podcast would be absolutely like not miss Yeah,
Like the Chargers did that with Tom Telasco. They watched
Draft Day. They had him watch certain parts of Draft
Day and him react to it, and it was funny
because there were a couple of moments where he was like, Yeah,
that actually that actually happens. But then there are a
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lot of them you could just see this befuddled look
on his.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Face, like what what what? What's that? So there's some parts, but.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Still watching film on Callahan the night of the draft,
while the draft is going on.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
You make the trade for number one in the morning
and then walk in your draft room and say, hey,
we need a scouting report basically if this guy.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Over the next Because I haven't been working at all,
I don't even know what you.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Guys do, haven't done anything, but yeah, we're gonna look
at so Ju and I'll have a mock draft a
little bit later on number twenty five. Where do you think?
What do you think we did at number twenty five?
Do you think we traded or do you think we
uh we stick a pick? What number mock draft is
this for you guys? I think it's probably number four?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Okay, five? You probably did all sorts.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Of weird stuff, I'll be honest, not really, really honestly not.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Because we didn't. We didn't get wacky.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
I was listening to Jim Miller and Pat Curling on
the way back from the show last night NFL Radio.
It's late and Area forty five was in a break.
I flicked over to them and they they have done
I think this is their second one, and they were
reviewing it as if I mean the level of seriousness
ye that they were paying to their mock draft. Well,
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Pats said, well, what the Steelers, you know, I figured
this and that and the other thing. And he's going,
he traded the pick and he did all this stuff.
And I'm thinking, and the Steelers fans are calling in
because they're freaking out. Like, guys, you understand, a mock
draft means pretend right, this is not the real draft,
So don't freak out over what they do.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
How could you do this? Right?
Speaker 4 (05:26):
You know, he doesn't really have his hand at the
controls of the Steelers draft. I think you, guys, being
your fourth Marck draft, probably traded the pick.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
So we'll find out later on the show.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
You will find out, Okay, I'll put it this way,
Vonte mac No matter what.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
No matter where, irrelevant, Okay, if he's very no matter
what player is there, obviously you take him. If you
fear that another team is going to come up and
snatch him, you trade up. Those things are always tricky.
You know, we were talking about this last night. Rick
Smith moving up what twelve's no. Fifteen spots to take no.
Thirteen spots in spots to take to Shaun Watson, which
was huge, but the year before it took Will Fuller,
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moving up one spot Washington. So they flipped picks with
Washington who took Dotson.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
No, I can't remember who Washington took, but I think
it was a receiver. If I remember was a receiver,
I can't run, but I can't remember who it is.
So they flipped picks. Why did they need to if
Washington wanted Fuller? Did they threaten to take Fuller?
Speaker 4 (06:24):
I have a feeling Washington called Rick or they talked,
and Washington said, Team X is offering us why to
move up, and they want to take Fuller, So what
are you willing to do to move up and take Fuller?
To which point, if I was Rick, I might have said, well,
why wouldn't you take their deal? Are you just doing
me a solid? Because I got to imagine whatever they're
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offering you is more than what I'm about to now.
Maybe he offered them more to make sure he got
will Fuller.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
I think these are the stories I'd love to hear
the stories I never hear. I think you can absolutely
wind yourself into circles. Just keep going and going and
going in circles because you sit there and go, Okay, well,
Washington's willing to do this deal, but why are they
willing to do that deal?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Are they willing to do that deal because they don't
like Fuller? Woll If they don't like Fuller, then why
or why do we like Fuller? Do we really want
to do this? I mean, we're locking this up, We're
giving away a pick for a guy that the guy
the team that's drafting doesn't even want. But we really
like this guy. We think he's got we know he's
got four three. So you just start going in circles,
I would imagine in your mind, and you have to
be so convinced or convince yourself that that's the right pick,
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that is absolutely the thing we want to do.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
How do we feel about this?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
And then come to a collective decision and then finally
you know it's the deal has to be made. And
for Fuller it ended up working out really really well.
I'm trying to remember who the receiver was for Washington.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I'll tell you in a second.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
It makes me I'm pulling it up right now because
we'll oh, that's the Laramie Draft. Actually at twenty sixteen
draft Yeah, that's the Laramie draft that was.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
It was Docson Doctors and oh Josh Dockson from TSCU. Yeah, right,
and I think out of that the Texans ended up
winning that.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Deal, even though Will ended up moving on in free agency,
right and Twedwell went next.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah to the Vikings, those two picks basically busted big time.
How about time, how about if it was the Vikings
it was that close, whereas the Washington GM at the
time was it It wasn't Vinnie anymore. In twenty sixteen
to Washington GM at the time said to Rick, Listen,
the Vikings want to jump up and take fuller, but
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I'll take your deal instead if you give me whatever. Yeah,
I mean I want to you know, look, a lot
of this has to do with relationships. You know, we
talk about the trade for Deshaun at twenty seventeen. Apparently
Rick Smith had a relationship with Sashi Brown and they
had a deal kind of worked out, kind of hammered
out that if the guy the Texans wanted was on
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the board at that time, Hey, let's hammer this deal out.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Let's have it ready to go.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
And when they got to pick number twelve, Sashi was
kind of scorming his seat a little bit, and finally
Rick was like, look, you know, let's we agreed.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
On this, Let's do this, Sashi. All right, they did
it and we end.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Up getting Deshaun Watson at that time, and it turned
out to be a good pick for the first four
or five years, and then things obviously in sideways. But
it just goes to relationships. Who do you know, who
have you made deals with in the past. Can you
speak the same language as somebody?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
You know?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
The deal for Kenyan Green when Nick talked about that,
for Chauncey Gardner Johnson, they had a relationship. They've done
deals before, They've done that deals on draft day. It
just makes it that much easier when you have somebody
that you know, it speaks the same language is on
your level. You're not gonna get fleeced. You just know
you're gonna get a good deal. You can talk value,
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the value is going to be similar. And that's what
Nick has done. Nick has really done that. I feel
like Rick did that too and didn't get a lot
of credit for it. I think Nick has done that
in spades. Nick knows everybody, you know everybody throughout the league.
You think Nick is not going to know that Jeff
Carson is the g I'm down in Jacksonville on Draft Day.
Nick's gonna know, and he's got him in the phone
when it pops up, he knows exactly what they're calling
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about and what they're gonna do. And so to me
it makes twenty five pretty interesting. But for us on
in the lab, it was one of our two guys.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Wait, hang on one second, back to twenty sixteen for
a moment. He traded a sixth rounder in twenty seventeen
to move up next year.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah, the next year.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Yeah, so the next year for one spot, for one spot,
which says to me, maybe Scott McCloughan was the general manager.
Oh yeah, maybe he said, listen, I don't care. I
might take fuller. I might not give me a six
to lock them up right, I'm gonna go next after you.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I mean, my guess is Minnesota had to have offered
more than a sixth the next year to move up
two spots in the first round from eighteen to sixteen,
or Minnesota and Washington sat there and said, look, we've
got these receivers rating on the board. We have these
three how do we feel about these three guys, Is
there any of them that we wouldn't take at pick
twenty four?
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
We like all three. We're gonna get one of maybe Minnesota.
Dam me a call, right, maybe watch you call them?
Like no, no, no, We're gonna just sit here and let
things play out. Maybe he just lied. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Yeah, I mean, who knows not Rick drafts it was
twenty one, I said sixteen. I was getting it confused
with the year pick number twenty one that first yeah, yeah, look,
Fuller was a hell of a player. He just couldn't
stay healthy and eventually just decided to hang them up
in Miami because he got paid. And then the rehab
after rehab after rehab.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
I think that happens to a lot of guys I'm
actually tired of all the time.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
There's no doubt the thing about that that of those
three guys, Josh Docks and TCU Laquon treadwell with the
Vikings and Will Fuller.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
The Texans won that.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I mean they won that one on that one, you know, yeah,
and the other one that that kind of falls in
that category we talked about last night was twenty nineteen.
Because the narrative around here was we got to improve
the offensive line to Sean can't get sacked sixty two times. Again,
We've got to have dudes come in here and play
in the offensive line. And right before the Texans are
about to pick, the Eagles jump up and go Andre Dillard.
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Because throughout the process, everybody knew that Texas were gonna
take Dillard. He was mocked to the Texans at twenty
whatever we were at that point, it was gonna be Dillard.
Everybody talked about Dillard. He was a pass protector out
of Washington State. I talked about him, lom Hold. Texans
really didn't have Andre Dillard on their on their radar screen.
He had Titus kind of locked in their sites for
a while.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
He was a pick.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
And now you look at it and go, look, Titus
has not gotten in the Pro Bowl. But Titus is
given you a whole hell of a lot more than
the Eagles ever got a Andre Dillard.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Well, you look at Tys' career.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
I mean, he's he's had trouble staying healthy, yeah for sure, right,
but he's been part of a lot of nice wins
for this team. He's also been part of three very
frustrating years in twenty twenty, twenty one, twenty two. But look,
we are where we are. He's part of the deal
right now, and you're coming off the back to back
divisions hoping to go further than the divisional round.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Titus Howard plays more games at either guard or tackle
in twenty twenty five guard. You think that's you think
I's sick going forward? Yeah, here's what I don't know.
And you tell me, you experts, tell me that Blake
is not.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
You and all your knowledge, Berts, you and all your
football knowledge.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
But I know this.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
When Laramie couldn't practice in training camp last year, where
were they putting Blake left tackle because they wanted Titus
to get adjusted again to right tackle. You know we're
not going to move you to guard this year. Oh
wait a minute, but it happened again. We all know
it because they got depleted injuries they needed to do it.
But is Blake Sneaky your left tackle and then Titus
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is your right tackle? Now they have Cam Robinson, we
get it, and Brown. I think Trent is there to
play right if necessary, and insurance and more of a
mc khalil type of signing. Not mc khalil better than
that but you know what I'm saying, because that was
at the end. But Trent, he might be at the
end too, but he is. I think he's got more
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gas left in the tank. And it's more like insurance.
You know, we got a lot of options here. Let's
see how it goes. Wait, what were we saying last
year when they drafted the dbs, Because you never know
if that's going to work out? Right, you never know
if last or is going to be good. Bullet, it's
going to be good. Those guys were really good, really good.
So they became starters. And you know, Bullock, who might
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not be in there in base, but you know when
you have Jimmy healthy and Petrie healthy and all that.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
But he got in there.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
But he got in there and he was playing a lot,
and he was making all a play, made a lot
of plays, and then you couldn't get him off the
field ballhawk And by this second we go tas Kamari
had shown them so much that he they were like,
he's already out at Premier corner and they move Petrie
to the nickel.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
But who'd they bring in last year at corner? They
brought it. They brought it CJ. Henderson.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
So these are the guys we were talking about last year, Like, okay,
one of those two guys will probably will have to
work out as an outside corner for you, but it
didn't work out that way. So maybe that's what happens
with the old lineman. This year, you draft couple relatively
early first four rounds, and well, you know, their rookies whatever,
but oh my gosh, they end up starting, or one
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of them ends up starting. All of a sudden, you
get that much deeper because you picked up a hot
rookie starter offensive lineman.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I mean, Kamori was starting from day one, yeah, and
I think he transformed the defense because it moved Petrie
into a spot that he was more comfortable.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Kamari was more than comfortable playing on the outside.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
He fit this defense hand and glove, and hopefully that's
what ends ends up happening the other line.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
By the way, this.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Football expert agrees with you that I do think that
Titus will play guard. I think guard is and I
think the main reason why is watching him play guard
the last part of the year. Was it perfect, No,
But I feel like he played guard pretty well, and
I feel like that's the just kind of the putting
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these pieces puzzle pieces together, that's the one where you go,
I this is the spot where I think it fits.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
If you drap Booker, he's right guard.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Booker's played left guard mainly, but I don't know left
right guard matters as much as left right right tackle.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
So you move tightest to right guard.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I think you probably leave tightest left guard and let
Booker adapt the right to the right guard.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
So Robinson's the left tackle and Blake is your right tackle.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I mean, if you'll draft Booker at twenty five Cam
and left tackle, Booker left guard, figure out who your
center is, a lot of competition emerge there.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Titus, Titus, No.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
I'm sorry, Cam left, then Titus, then a center, then
Booker than Blake.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Okay, that's the way.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
That's the way I would line it up right there
and then let guys compete their ass off.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
I'm curious if that's the starting lineup. Did Brown make
the team or did Brown get hurt or did Brown
just wither away?
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Did they cut him or is he on the squad.
This is really going to be interesting. We are talking
a lot about this, and treat a swing tackle. You
a guy that can play both sides. You do, I mean,
but you still have titus to put out there if
you have depth of.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Guard yeah goos. Yeah, a lot of ways you.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Can go, but you gotta have a lot more competition
than you had last year.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Of course, that is hugely important.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Now.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
A guy that we love to have on.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Each and every week is Jonathan Alexander, who's nice enough
to join us on Wednesdays to Tuesday. Because we were
out last night, Jonathan Alexander from the Houston Chronicle joins
just next right here on Texans on all Right, what's
happening everybody? Welcome back to Wednesday edition of Texans All
Access from Monday Texans Radio Studio, And it's a Wednesday night,
and I'm your host, John Harris Football and on the
Sideline Reporter. And typically on Tuesdays we have Jonathan Alexander.
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But because we were out and about last night at
BMW West Houston, which was great, Thank you so much
for everybody that came out to see us, we didn't
have a chance to get Jonathan Alexander on. Well, fast
forward twenty four hours, it being Wednesday, Jonathan Alexander joined
us right here. It's our weekly visit with Jonathan Alexander
of The Houston Chronicle. And Jonathan, last time you and
(17:51):
I talked, we were at the NFL Annual Meetings, sweating
it out. Kind of a warm day, maybe unseasonably so,
but no one's gonna sympathize with us because we hate
We were on the beach, almost almost on the beach.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
How did you like the NFL Annual Meeting? What'd you
get out of it? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (18:08):
I mean to me, the NFL Annual Meetings are some
of the best offseason events because I think it's it's
closer towards the draft, and I think teams have a
broader sense of what their roster looks like and their
needs heading into the draft, who they like in the draft,
which prospects that they might have a chance to go after.
(18:30):
So I think it was it was really good and fruitful.
And it's also a chance to get a chance to
talk to the you know owners in the Texans case,
the McNair's who you know. This is one of the
few times you get a chance to talk to them
about all encompassing things that are going on with the
with the team.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Well, the last time that I was excluded from a
Jhonathan Alexander interview was at the annual meetings, So thank
you very much. I did have FOMO. But Johnson, you
just ended up. You just wrote an article. I think
it was maybe in of last week beginning of this
uh kimra of the time, but I know it was
just recently about a potential new headquarters for the Texans.
(19:08):
What did you kind of gather from putting that together
and what did you kind of find out about what
could be potentially are new headquarters in the future.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Yeah, the text the mayor's are interested in in building
uh or searching for a space to do it, to
build a headquarters. And actually there are one of four
NFL teams that that practice out of their stadium, the
others being the Bengals, the Panthers, and the Patriots and
and and you know, just speaking to Callahana, they want
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state of the art for their players. They see a
future and expanding with the Texans, and they're searching right
now for a place where they can put a heeadquarters.
And they think that because they're currently as it is,
as you all know, because you all are at the
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facility more often they share the space, they don't own it.
So you know, right now they have events like Disney
Princess on the ice, and sometimes that can get in
the way.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Of when you're trying to work out.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
So if they have a headquarters like other teams do,
and the Houston Rockets just built one this past offseason,
they would be able to work practice freely at their
headquarters and that's what they desire and they hope that
they can do it pretty soon. They didn't specify when
or where, but they seem pretty excited about it.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
So the two teams that you've been on the beat
for in the NFL are among the four that practice
out of their stadium. The Carolina Panthers the other team
that you covered. What is their situation, Like, I know,
they broke round on a facility over the border in
South Carolina. I make it seem like the border so
far away, over the border, they ventured so far.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
But that thing got derailed.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
What's their situation your understanding of it anyway, Jonathan.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
Yeah, I reported on the fallout of that. You know,
they had made an agreement with South Carolina rock Hill,
South Carolina, which is about forty minutes from the stadium,
to build a headquarters over the are where they could
practice soccer as well, and they had some requirements of
South Carolina, like some bonds that South Carolina was had
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agreed to pay in South Carolina did not rock Hill
in particular ultimately did not do that, and David Tepper
pulled his name out of the deal. So they ended
up half building the headquarters, Like you could see the
structure and how it looked, and then they just kind
of nixed the deal. And now Charlotte is my understanding,
it's still looking for a place to build a headquarters,
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but they're still practicing out of their stadium. So yeah,
that turned out to be a real bad mess. I
don't foresee you know that happening with Houston, but yeah,
that turned out to be a real bad mess over there.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
And Rocky Jonathan, we're inching ever so closely to the
NFL Draft. It feels like it's been flying along, but
yet it feels like it can't get your fast enough
pick number twenty five. And you an article the other day,
I think it was nineteen players that you had in
consideration for the Texans at pick number twenty five. I've
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told Mark Vandermier in secret, there is one player that
I would give the Vonte mac no matter what draft
day situation.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Two, how do you kind of see pick number twenty five?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Is there a pick or a player or two that
you think you're kind of honing in on that the
Texans will make that pick at twenty five? And look,
I know it to choose your own adventure novel to
get the number twenty five, But just what you know
about the team and know about where it is right now?
What do you think about number twenty five and has
it changed kind of since we started this whole draft
stuff back in January.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Yeah, I think the magin thing is like, you don't
quite know what's going to happen at twenty five, just
given that their twenty four teams ahead of you. I
also think that the Texans could decide that they want
to trade up or trade down in the drafts if
they find their guy. But you know, I listed nineteen
guys that they could take a Day one or Day two.
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You know, if somehow like a really top wide receiver
or a guard or tackle where to fall. I think
that is certainly positions that they target. Of course, you've
gotta like Tyler Booker from Alabama. He's one of my
favorites who I think would fit well in with the Texans.
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I think Gray Zabel is another guy who would be
a good fit for the Texans.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
He fits the culture.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
He isn't typically what you would see in a Nick
Cassario draft pick because he played for an FCS program,
but team captain leader dominated at the Senior Bowl where
the chechin we're there, Tyler Brooker, Alabama guy who you
know Nick co Sirio has picked from Jamiko Ryans alma mater.
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And then I think when you look at wide receivers,
Matthew Golden, who's a Texas guy and from Houston played
with Tank Dell. If he were to fall, then I
think he's potential option. And then the Mecca eg Buka
from Ohio State who played with CJ. Stroud. But I
think all of those guys also could be picked before
the Texans pick at number twenty five and may not
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be one of their choices to pick from. Kelvin Banks
another Texas guy who could be picked ahead too. So
it's just it just depends on how the first twenty
four picks go.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Yep, it has to, and we'll all be on pins
and needles trying to figure out who they're gonna pick,
and we'll be covering it live. That'll be two weeks
from Thursday. Okay, so loses both of you this.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Trade up, trade down or staying pick Jonathan Stay, trade up,
trade down?
Speaker 1 (24:59):
You don't know.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
You don't have to decide which will they do as
opposed to what we think they should do, right, Trade up,
trade down or sticking pick?
Speaker 1 (25:08):
What do you think?
Speaker 5 (25:09):
Okay, So this sounds like I'm taking an easy way out,
but I equally like trading up four picks, four or
five picks at most as I do like trading down.
To me, it really depends.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
On who is left on the board.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Again, my favorites are those those guys I mentioned. If
those guys are off, I definitely like trading back and
getting a guy like a Donovan Jackson later on in
that first round if you find a team to trade back.
So I think it really depends on who comes off
the board one of my favorites or off the If
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all my favorites are off the boards, then I trade back.
If I see one of those top guys right receivers dropping,
then you know I would in mind trading up for one.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
I think the only way they trade up is to
get the offensive lineman of their dreams. If that's Booker,
if that's is Able, whoever, it's the old lineman of
their dreams. I don't think they trade up to get
a Buca or Golden or one of the receivers, because
I believe that they believe.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
And I don't. I'm just speculating here, but.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
I believe that they believe they'll find a receiver, but
there might be a special offensive lineman that it's not
just the physical ability, it's the leader.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
It's going to be the leader of this unit. And
maybe not year one. He's a rookie.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
It's hard to lead, right, but they're drafting guys who
are emerging leaders like Cad Stover. I believe he's a leader,
but as a rookie, what can you really do. But
I believe he will be a difference maker on this
team in terms of psychology as well as his play
on the field. I'm not saying he's going to catch
eighty hundred balls, but Cad Stover is going to be
one of the leaders in the clubhouse, if you will,
in the locker room for this team. And I believe
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that if they move up it's to get the old
lineman that's not only good, but he's the leader to be.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Let's stick with Kate for a second, john Nan.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Tight end is a position that when you see different,
you know, entities put out their draft needs. Everybody's you know,
off the lineman, defensive lineman, wide receiver, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Where do you think.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Tight end sits in kind of the priority order to
try and find another tight end to go with the
group that they've got. They only got three on campus
right now, cached over being one of them, Dalton Shultz,
Brevin Jordan.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Not really a true why in line tight end?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Where do you think tight end sits in the priority
factor for the Texans?
Speaker 5 (27:31):
I think it's a pick that you can choose if
you find the right one, Like say, if a really
good one drops to you. But I don't think it'll be,
you know, their biggest priority per se because obviously you
have Dalton Schultz and you got cased over and Brevin Jordan.
Now they may need one for the future, so if
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one drops and I could see them drafting one, But
I don't think that if they had a choice between
the tight end, a guard, a tackle, and a wide
receiver that they would choose a tight end over that one.
But you know, if one does fall and you had
a good position to pick one, I could easily see
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them choosing one because that person could be helpful for
the future.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Titans picking cam Ward first, which is the consensus belief,
is that the right decision? Or would you trade down
and acquire picks because they have a lot of different needs.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
With the Titans.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Yeah, if I'm the I take cam Ward. I think
you you he's the best quarterback in the draft. I
think he certainly has a lot of potential. And when
when one is there, I think you take him, and
I think you. I don't think you can move forward
with Will Levis says your quarterback of the future.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
How in air quotes, far does shdor Sanders quote unquote fall?
Speaker 5 (28:54):
Oh okay, Yeah, that's a good question, because you know,
I was looking at a at a mock draft not
too long ago. I actually don't think he'll fall that far.
I think he'll be somewhere in the top ten. I
think us, Yes, I don't think he'll get past the Saints.
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I was actually looking at a modern draft not too
long ago, and to me, that made a lot of
sense to me. I think teams are two quarterback hungary
to let somebody who has potential drop that far in
the draft, so I think he'll he'll stay in the
top ten.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Cool, Jonathan. What do you have going on in the
Houston Chronicle for us?
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yes, so I have a few.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
I'll have a mock draft coming up this weekend. Today
I posted my mail bag where I answered a lot
of people's questions about the Texans and the upcoming draft,
and we'll have more draft coverage in the near future
on Houston chic dot com.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Sounds good, Jonathan, thanks a lot for joining us.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
I think there is.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Jonathan Alexander of the Houston Chronicle. Love gett jay on
shade him moving his segment to Wednesday, and it was
great as always. All right, coming up finish up the show.
We got a little in the lab mock draft. Who
are the two players that I give a Vonte mac
no matter what stamp of approval at number twenty five. Yes,
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I have two of them. We'll go over that and
what we do for the rest of the draft. Next
the Texas Axis. We got one final segment this edition
of Texas All Access from the Texans Radio studio. It's
time for the in the Lab mock draft version. I
think four point oh cruder and myself sat down and
cranked this out.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Tell us what you think, John, I can't believe it.
This is the penultimate. I love say pennouncements, which is
next to less great word pribe pedantic to say penultimate,
But anyways, it's pab pedantic to say, but padantic. This
is the next to last mock draft simulation we're gonna
do on ma in the lab. Yeah, less than two
weeks away from the fl draft. Sound a little bit
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like George McFly there. Hey, get your damn hands off.
But anyways, we are set. Let's get rocket and rolling.
You ready for this, let's go, let's go, let's do it.
So here we go. We're gonna share the screen and
as you know, as you know, we use the Pro
Football Network mock Draft simulator and we love it because
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they have trades. So here we go, Johnny, We're doing
seven rounds. Click over here, going fast because always too fast,
too furious, and we're going to click on Houston. We're
going to enter the solo draft, and here we go.
We're going to make the Houston Texans a better football
team by choosing some of these guys. So we've entered
the solo draft. Names are flying off the board, and
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at twenty five, the Texans have some options. Before we
look at those options, and my mouth is watering when
I see one of the options. Tampa Bay wants to
send us a crap package of a second, a third,
a second and third over the next two years. No
thank you, Tampa Bay. Get lost. The Saints want to
give us their two and their three. Thanks a lot,
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No thanks, This is interesting. The Rams want us to
move back one spot and they want to give us
a fifth rounder that they have next year. I'm not
against that, but John, seeing this name right here, twenty
third ranked name overall, which I think could probably be
ranked higher, Tyler Booker, the offensive lineman from Alabama, I
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just want to run up and turn the card in.
With about seventeen seconds into the fifteen minute alignment.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Here's where that trade offer from the Rams would worry
me because I think they would be trading up because
they see the same name. Yeah, and so I would think, no,
we're not going to take that. We would get I
think a twenty twenty six to fifth to go down
one spot. I wouldn't do it because I think the
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Rams want that same name.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
I thought that they also just saw Grey z Abel
get picked a spot ahead right at four by.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Exactly, so you kind of fear that run of the
two or three guys that you're thinking about that spot.
And it makes me think of Draft Day and in
you know the reason I think of that movie. I
can't why I'm blanket on. Oh it's one.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Spot in time out. John Harris here he started following
the draft and getting into the draft after he saw
the Kevin Coster movie Draft Day.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
That that's that's false, that's false. But I do.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I do watch Draft Day. It's an I do watch
Draft Day. Oh, here's why I was thinking of Draft Day.
Kevin Coster writes in the post it do you remember
what he writes in the post?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
It Vonte Mack no matter what got it?
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is Tyler Booker is my Vonte Mack.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Tyler Booker, no matter what, he's there, snatch him.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Let's rock. I think Tyler Booker is the right pick
there at twenty five. So we're making Adam, you did it?
Oh hmm, okay, here's an interesting one.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
The trade offers.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Yeah, fifty eight and one of your sevenths to move
back eleven. So move up to the one hundred and
six pick. Right, you'd be out of the second round,
but you'd have a third and a and you.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Get a fourth. And that's one thing the Texas don't have, Drew.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
We don't have a six because that right now as
it sits after pick eighty nine, because we go fifty eight,
seventy eight, eighty nine I believe is the numbering and
then it's all the way to one sixty six.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Yeah, So I would be prone to.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Make this deal with New England because I get sixty
nine and moved down eleven spots. I moved down to
the top of the round and third round, but I
also get a fourth round or at the top of
the fourth round. I do have to give up my
seventh round pick, but I'm okay doing that. Yeah, I
like this trade offer.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (34:46):
I like it too, and I'm I'm prone to take it,
but I want to see what else is out there. Okay,
move back to with the Lions and add one ninety six.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
I actually like the Patriots one a little bit more
because I like that top of the fourth round pick
at one O six.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Look who's here before we do this? Ok, you got
Wyatt Milam from Virginia. You don't like him high? I like?
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I like him. I think that's probably a little bit
high for him.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Caleb Johnson run.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
He is really fun man.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
If if the Texans are going to be a wide
zone team, Caleb Johnson is absolutely the pick, no doubt,
he's the pick. Well, we've already taken Donavan Jackson. I
think Cherie is a really good tackle. We talked about
him before took Booker. Who took Booker? We took Booker
and I like Erserie.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
But I don't.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
I don't love him. I actually would like to see
him in the third round. But that's just me. He's
kind of kind of long and awkward a little bit.
But look, one of the things I've always said, he
gets guys blocked. Somehow, he gets guys blocked. I like
pick fifty seven or the player of number fifty seven,
Jalen Royals wide receiver Utah State.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
I would be very tempted.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
I don't know, and this this might change everything for
me because I don't know that we could get him
down at sixty nine and that's so.
Speaker 6 (35:59):
I'll leave to you, Drew, because I like Jalen Royals.
Let's take I like that Patriots trade offer. That is
a nice offer. But let's get Let's get guys we
think can help. I think we'll be there. So let's
take you Jalen Royal.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Six foot twol five thick, strong, fast, very fast, but
lightning change of direction.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
I think it's a good pick. With taking Jayden Royals
at fifty eight.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Hey, you want to move back five spots and add
on a seventh next year?
Speaker 2 (36:24):
No?
Speaker 3 (36:24):
No, you want to add a third next year and
move back about I'm not not into that.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
So we got two trade offers. No, I don't think
either want of them look good. So we're sitting at
seventy nine.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Okay, you got the highest rate players defensive tackle from Toledo, Darius.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Alexander do this easily? Yes, Yeah, that's your guy. That's
that's the guy. I have him rated in the forties. Oh,
I think he is a stud. Now he's a little
bit older. That's kind of one of the things against him.
But he was at Toledo for six years. Dude, His long, fast, athletic,
great pass rush moves.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Darius Alexander would end up being a player for us
for sure.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Okay, here we are, we're picking again at eighty nine.
We're getting asked to give up eighty nine and a
seventh yep, to move back seven spots and also pick
up one thirty four from the Eagles. Let's remember that one, okay,
and then let's move back and not really get great
stuff from Washington. Now, I'm I'm cool with some of
the first one. But I see Elijah Arroyo available the
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tight end out of Miami, and I know you like
him a lot.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Yeah, I don't understand why he's at number ninety. I
really don't. He's a tremendous seam runner.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
I mean, he's gonna be a one on one matchup
nightmare for defensive backs. I think I think it's gonna
be really tough for him. Gunner Helm is also on
the board at eighty seven. I think Arroyo is a
little bit better athlete than Helm.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
But I don't know that you go wrong with either one. Now,
what we've already done.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
If you think about what we've already picked, We've picked
Donovan Jackson, guard tackle, Tyler Booker, which dart Yet, why
do I keep saying donvand Jackson. We got Tyler Brooker
the guard. Then the second round we got Jalen Royals. Yeah,
and then we got Darius Alexander. So we've hit the
three positions interier, offens line, inter defensive line, and wide
receiver that many people, us included think that's the way
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that we should go.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
So to me, I think tight end is up there now.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
I think you would probably look at more of an inline.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Blocking tight end, and I think Arroyo is.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Very willing, but I don't know that that's his core competency.
I think if you're looking for an in line, why
Jackson Hawes from Georgia Tech. Maybe in the fifth or
sixth round. So I like these two tight ends tho
that are on a board. I like DJ Giddons, the
running back from Kansas State, who's also on the board
right there.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Yeah, there's also Terrence Ferguson available. Yeah, lower down.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Another another tight end I really like out of organ
So I kind of want to do this trade with
the I do too, because you're only going down seven
spots and you still have those three guys you like, and.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
You're dumping a seventh to move up into the you
know earlier earlier in the drafts now we lost to Arroyo.
Gunner Helm is there, but.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Gunnerhilm is there, and also Terrence Ferguson is there now I.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Know, and Hill and Fairchild other guard if you want
to keep going offensive line from.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Good solid football player.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
But I think for right now I kind of like
what we have at guard by having taken Tyler Booker
with adding Edit Ingram and also Lake and Tomlinson depending
on what you gonna do with Titus Howard Titus could
play guard.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
So I think you're guard wise.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
I think I might be okay there, Okay, I have
Hilm Ferguson.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
I have Ferguson rated ahead of Helm. Do you really
I do? Yeah? Goodness, okay, well yeah, not by much.
But I have Ferguson rated ahead of it.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
And he must be good because gunner Helm is one
of those guys that I had a just a casual
football crush on. I like dudes at hurdle people. I
like big dudes at hurdle. He's a big dude that
hurdles guys. He played for the Longhorns. But if you
say Ferguson is the guy, but don't get me wrong though.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Don't get me wrong though, I like Gunnerhilm a lot.
I really like Gunner Heilm. He's just not quite the
athlete that Ferguson is.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
And let's do Ferguson. Is that our pick?
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Well, here's the other here we're gonna thrown the wrinkle
in there. I mentioned DJ Giddons is the running back.
DJ Giddon's running back from Kansas State. Now as a priority,
which one do you think is a little higher? I
didn't think it's tight end, But I don't know that
either Helm or Ferguson are going to scratch the itch
really that we need as an inline blocker at tight end. Okay,
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Giddins I think gives you a little bit more in
a passing game.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
I think could be a really dynamic dude with a
ton of speed.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Let's scratch itches. Then let's take Giddins. Okay, let's take Gidtens.
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Let's take Gttings in Kansas State, the running back.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Taking your four picks, and now you've added one in
here in the fourth round, and the Titan the Jaguars
wants you to move back and move I don't really
want that one.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Nah, I don't trade with the Gladstone exactly.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Okay, so we're picking again. Okay, we got another running back.
No thanks, quin yours, No thanks. Howard Crossed the third
defensive tackle from Notre Dame Jordan Phillips. Defensive tackle from
Notre Dame Jackson Slater. What do you think I mean?
Speaker 1 (40:52):
I like him.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
I like Jackson Slater. He's a center, slash guard. Tough,
really tough dude.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Strong.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Uh, there's one that I see there that it really
intrigues me. And I'll tell you why. He played at
the University of Houston, but then he transferred his final
year to Oregon and played alongside Derek Harmon, who I
really like.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
You know that.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
He was in my mock draft, first round Texans pick,
the last mock draft I did.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Jamari Caldwell was fantastic throughout his senior year. He is
a big dude who can move.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
And I like that. I like that a lot.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
And we got Darius Alexander. He's a little different. He's
three hundred five pounds, which licks sleek, can really rush
the quarterback. Jamory Caldwell is a guy that at three
hundred and twenty five three hundred thirty pounds is agile
and can really move. I like Jamury Caldwell right here
in the fourth ron. This would be a great fourth
throng pick. I'm in okay, he's picked all right. Nice,
So now you're gonna wait a little bit because of
the trades, yep, that have happened. But you got the one, six, six,
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you got the fifth. You were just still there.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Jordan Phillips is still there, a guy we've taken before
a mock draft still and Samson the running back is
still there. But we're not gonna do that here today.
You like Jake brining stool or he's.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
More of a pass catching title. I'm okay with that,
But that pick right there, one forty seven. JJ Pegeese tackle.
I know we've taken defensive tackle, but I'm gonna throw you.
I'm gonna throw you the ultimate curveball. JJ Pegeese could
actually be our big man version of Travis Hunter. He
could play defensive tackle, but at the Combine they had
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him work out at fullback and he ran routes and
caught the football and just look awesome. Fantastic. Ole Miss
would get in wildcat and put him. He's a former quarterback,
and they would put him in the wildcat and they
would just run power with him, and he picked up
first downs.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
I don't know how many times JJ Pegeese.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
I know it says defensive tackle, but he could beat
a little like a different weapon to use offensively in
addition to him playing defensive tackle, learning how to play
defensive tackle.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Now, forty seven year old Drew Doherty likes this. Eight
year old Andy Doherty, who was a huge fan of
William the Reviger. Yeah, there you go, I'm saying, but
I just got to throw up one more thing. Okay.
Jonah Manheim, a center from USC. Are you interested or yes?
Speaker 1 (43:09):
I'm very interested. I like Jonah Monheim.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
He I think he went from tackle to center in
twenty twenty four at USC. When I saw him at
the Senior Bowl, I was really impressed with his grit,
kind of his toughness. He's think USC kind of flashed,
but he was really tough, really kind of latched onto blocks.
He didn't win every one, but you could just tell
there's kind of a grimy, gritty, swarm like attitude. If
you gave me Monheim here one sixty six, I'd be
(43:34):
very very happy. I also like one sixty six on
Pfens board, Mile Miles Frasier, who's got long arms and
plays guard. He's got some technique work to do, but
he transferred from FIU, and I think he played about
as well as he could have at LSU. So I
think there are some definite, good, good options on the
board right here.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
I'm gonna let you make the pick.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
Though, you know, I kind of like the Monheim pick
because I just want to keep raising the level competition there.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
I like it in center. I like it good.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
Let's do it. See, I like it. That's gonna be
a little while before we pick again.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Yeah, we have the seventh and folly the seventh.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
We've dumped one of those picks, so I think we
only had one left. Yeah, you see the names coming
off the board and career. The Texans got.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
Two forty one.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Okay, let's see at the tip top you got Ty Hamilton.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Oh, good player. Man.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
If I didn't have we didn't already have taken two
defensive tackles, I would be all over Ty Hamilt's right now.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Jackson Hawes from Georgia Tech.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
That's the guy mentioned.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
Another name, Cody Simon Team Star, great, great senior year.
So we've taken Cody Simon before. But you like Jackson
Hall's a tight end. What are you thinking here?
Speaker 2 (44:42):
I just feel like Jackson Hawes as an inline blocking
tight end.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
He's an Ivy leaguer. He went to Yale.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
I won't hold that against him, but at Georgia Tech
he really showed what a blocker he is.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
But then when you went the Senior Bowl, I'm.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Expecting, Okay, I'm watching this guy block, but I'm watching
run some good routes.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
He's got good soft hands.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
I'm not saying that he's gonna turn out, you know,
to catch seventy five eighty balls in a year. But
I just feel like to have somebody that just gets
after it as an inline blocker at the y position,
at tight end position.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
That just frees you up with Kate Stover, It frees
you up with Dalton Schultz.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
I'm not saying you get a guy at seventh round
he's gonna be a starter either, but you can at
least can at least go in that direction.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
So Jackson Hawes would be the pick here.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
I like the guys we mentioned Hamilton, but we've already
got two defensive tackles, yeah, Raheem Sanders speedy, linear, fast,
big back.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
But we already got.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
DJ Giddens who gives us that, and then he gives
us some wiggle as well. Kyle Oliver reviewed interesting kind
of hybrid stack edge Rusherna Zerr stackhouse. Again, We've got
a number of defense tackles. MC McWilliams I think is
underrated corner. But to me, I think Jackson Hawes is
is the pick. But I'll let you make the final decision.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Drew.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
I'm gonna oh cool, Jackson Hawes. There it is all right.
So here's the here's the final pali you get. We
get the guy that we've a lot of folks have
lusted after. Booker at the tip top and the other
book Jalen Royle's wide receiver. Can you think come in
and make some plays for the seconds from Utah State
yet Darius Alexander d tackle who you kind of think
(46:11):
is a steal there at seventy nine and then are
running back in DJ Giddens, Jamari Caldwell the d tackle,
Jonah Manheim a center and tight end to round things out,
Jackson Hawes. We made some trades, so we stayed true
to our Nick Cassio kind of model, making multiple trades,
not maybe not as many as Nick might meg or
(46:31):
has made, but some trades. Nonetheless, you cool with that.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
I'm very very cool with that draft.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
I like what we've done there, good diversity amongst the
defensive tackles, one bigger, one a little bit sleeker. I
love getting Booker, Like I said the draft day, Mantravonte Mack,
no matter what, Tyler Booker, no matter what at twenty five,
I would absolutely love that.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
Booker alone makes it feel like a big, big degory. Absolutely,
and then the other stuff that's icing on a delicious cake, Yes,
is very frosty.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
Well, said Druceph. We had a good time with that one.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
Appreciate Drew for stopping by, Mark for being here, Jonathan Alexander,
the Houston Chronicle, all of you out there for listen.
We cannot thank you enough. The draft is eight days
away and we'll see if the Texans end up making
a pick on Thursday night, the twenty fourth. You never
know with Nick Cassario, but cannot wait for our draft
parties Downtown Avenue.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
It is Houston.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
It's gonna be a blast, so make sure you get
out there, see us, listen to us, and we'll see
you tomorrow. Everybody, and as always, go Texans.
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