April 9, 2025 • 17 mins
Texans TV's Drew Dougherty and Team Analyst/Radio Sideline Reporter John Harris fired up the Mock Draft Simulator and made some intriguing choices for the team in the 2025 NFL Draft. Plus, their first-rounder was a "THIS GUY...no matter what"-caliber pick.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different
look at things. Drew Doherty and John Harris have their
lab coats and goggles on and the Bunsen burners burning.
Here's Drew, John, I can't believe it.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
This is the penultimate.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
I love sad pennouncements, which is next to less great word,
pribly pedantic to say penultimate, but anyways, it's p pedantic
to say padantic. This is the next to last mock
draft simulation we're gonna do on in the Lab, less
than two weeks away from the NFL draft. Sound a
little bit like George McFly there, Hey, get your damn
(00:42):
hands offer, But anyways, we are said, let's get rocket
and rolling.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
You ready for this, let's go, let's go, let's do it.
So here we go.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
We're gonna share the screen and as you know, as
you know, we use the Pro Football Network mock draft simulator,
right and we love it because they have trades. So
here we go, Johnny, We're doing seven rounds. Click over here,
going fast because always too fast, too furious, and we're
going to click on Houston.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
We're going to enter the solo draft, and here we go.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
We're going to make the Houston Texans a better football
team by choosing some of these guys. So we've entered
the solo draft. Names are flying off the board, and
at twenty five, the Texans have some options. Before we
look at those options, and my mouth is watering when
I see one of the options. Tampa Bay wants to
send us a crap package of a second, a third,
(01:35):
a second and third over the next two years. No
thank you, Tampa Bay. Get lost. The Saints want to
give us their two and their three. Thanks a lot,
No thanks. This is interesting. The Rams want us to
move back one spot and they want to give us
a fifth rounder that they have next year. I'm not
(01:57):
I'm not against that, but John, seeing this name right here, yeah,
twenty third rank name overall, which I think could probably
be ranked higher, Tyler Booker, the offensive lineman from Alabama,
I just want to run up and turn the card in.
With about seventeen seconds into the fifteen minute alignment.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Here's where that trade offer from the Rams would worry
me because I think they would be trading up because
they see the same name. Yeah, and so I would think, no,
we're not going to take that. We would get I
think at twenty twenty six fifth to go down one spot.
I wouldn't do it because I think the Rams want
(02:38):
that same name.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I've thought they also just saw Gray Zabel get picked
a spot ahead right at twenty four by the.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Exactly, so you kind of fear that run of the
two or three guys that you're thinking about that spot.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
And it makes me think of.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Draft Day and in you know the reason I think
of that movie.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I can't why I'm I'm blanket on.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Oh it's one spot in time out. John Harris here
he started following the draft and getting into the draft
after he saw the Kevin Coster movie Draft Day.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
So that's that's false, that's false. But I do. I
do watch Draft Day. It's a fun movie. I do
watch Draft Day.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Oh here's why I was thinking a Draft Day, Kevin
Coster writes in the post it do you remember what
he writes in the post?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
It remind me Vonte Mack no matter what got it? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that is. Tyler Booker is my Vonte Mack.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Tyler Booker, no matter what, he's there, snatch him, let's rock.
I think Tyler Booker is the right pick there at
twenty five. So we're make damn you did it. Ooh hmm, Okay,
here's an interesting one.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Trade offers.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yeah, fifty eight uh and one of your sevenths to
move back eleven so move up to the one hundred
and six pick. Right, you'd be out of the second round,
but you'd have a third in a.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
And you get a fourth. And that's one thing that
Texas don't have, Drew.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
We don't have a six because that right now as
it sits after pick eighty nine, because we go fifty eight,
seventy eight eighty nine I believe is the numbering and
then it's all the way to one sixty six. So
I would be prone to make this deal with New
England because I get sixty nine and moved down eleven spots.
I moved down to the top of the round and
third round, but I also get a fourth round or
(04:16):
at the top of the fourth round. I do have
to give up my seventh round pick, but I'm okay
doing that. Yeah, I like this trade offer. What do
you think?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I like it too, and I'm I'm prone to take it,
but I want to see what else is out there. Okay,
move back to with the Lions and add one ninety six.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
I actually like the Patriots won a little bit more
because I like that top of the fourth round pick
at one O six.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Look who's here before we do this? Okay, I got
Wyatt Milam from VIRGINI you don't like him high?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I like I like him. I think it's probably a
little bit high for him. Caleb Johnson the run, He
is really fun.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Man.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
If if the Texans are going to be a wide
zone team, Caleb Johnson is absolutely the pick, no doubt
he's the pick. Well, we've already taken Donavan Jackson. I
think Cheries are really good tackle. We talked about him
before took book Who took Booker? We took Booker and
I like Ursery, but I don't.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
I don't love him.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
I actually would like to see him in the third round,
but that's just me at he's kind of kind of
long and awkward a little bit. But look, one of
the things I've always said, he gets guys blocked. Somehow,
he gets guys blocked. I like pick fifty seven or
the player of number fifty seven, Jalen Royals wide receiver
Utah State.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I would be very tempted.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
I don't know, and this might change everything for me
because I don't know that we could get him down
at sixty nine.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
And that's so.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
I'll lead up to you, Drew because I like Jalen Royals.
I like the Patriots trade offer.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
That is a nice offer. But let's get let's get
guys we think can help. I think we'll be there.
So let's take you.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Jalen Royal spot twol five thick, strong, fast, very fast,
but lightning change of direction. I think it's a good
pick with taking Jaylien Royals at fifty eight.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Hey, you want to move back five spots and add
on a seventh year? No, No, you want to add
a third next year and move back about I'm not
not into that.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
So we got two trade offers. No, I don't think
you want them. Look good. So we're sitting at seventy nine.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Okay, you got the highest rated players defensive tackle from Toledo,
Darius Alexander.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
You this easily? What?
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Yes, Yeah, that's your guy. That's that's the guy. I
have him rated in the forties. Oh, I think he
is a stud. Now he's a little bit older. That's
kind of one of the things against him. But he
was at Toledo for six years. Dude, his long, fast, athletic,
great pass rush moves.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Darius Alexander would end up being a player for us
for sure.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Okay, here we are, we're picking again at eighty nine.
We're getting asked to give up eighty nine and a
seventh yep, to move back seven spots and also pick
up one thirty four from the Eagles. Let's remember that one, okay,
and then let's move back and not really get great
stuff from Washington. Now, I'm I'm I'm cool with some
of the first one. But I see Elijah Arroyo available
(06:56):
the tight end out of Miami, and I know you
like him a lot.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Yeah, I don't understand why he's at number ninety. I
really don't. He's a tremendous seam runner. I mean, he's
gonna be a one on one matchup nightmare for defensive backs.
I think I think he's gonna be really tough for him.
Gunner Helm is also on the board at eighty seven.
I think Arroyo is a little bit better athlete than Helm.
But I don't know that you go wrong with either one. Now,
what we've already done. If you think about what we've
(07:21):
already picked, We've picked Donovan Jackson guard.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Tackle, Tyler Booker, which yet, why do I keep saying
donavand Jackson? We got Tyler Brooker to guard.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Then the second round we got Jalen Royals, and then
we got Darius Alexander. So we've hit the three positions interier,
offensive line, interidefensive line, and wide receiver that many people,
us included think that's the way that we should go.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
So to me, I think tight end is up there now.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
I think you would probably look at more of an
inline blocking tight end, and I think Arroyo is very willing,
but I.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Don't know that that's his core competency.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
I think if you're looking for an in line, why
Jackson Hawes from Georgia Tech. Maybe in the fifth or
sixth round. So I like these two tight ends though
that are on a board. I like DJ Giddons, the
running back from Kansas State, who's also on the board
right there.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Yeah, there's also Terrence Ferguson available. Yeah, lower down.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Another another tight end. I really like out an organ.
So I kind of want to do this trade with.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
The I do too, because you're only going down seven
spots and you still have those three guys.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
You like, and you're dumping a seventh to move up
into the you know earlier earlier.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
In the drafts. So now we lost to Royo, Like,
gunner Helm is there, but.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Gunnerhilm is there, and also Terrence Ferguson is there now I.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Know, and Hiln Fairchild another guard if you want to
keep going offensive line from.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Good solid football player.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
But I think for right now, I kind of like
what we have at guard by having taken Tyler Booker
with adding ed Ingram and also Lake and Tomlinson depending
on what you gonna do with Titus Howard Titus could
play guard. So I think you're guard wise. I think
I might be okay there, Okay, I have Helm Ferguson,
I have Ferguson readied ahead of Helm.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Do you really yeah? Goodness? Okay, well yeah, not by much.
But I have Ferguson ready ahead.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
It end, and he must be good because Gunner Helm
is one of those guys that I had a just
a casual football crush on. I like dudes at hurdle people.
I like big dudes at hurdle. He's a big dude
that hurdles guys. He played for the Longhorns. But if
you say, Ferguson is the guy.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
But don't get me wrong though, don't get me wrong though,
I like Gunnerhilm a lot. I really like Gunner Helm.
He's just not quite the athlete that Ferguson is.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
And let's do Ferguson. Is that our pick?
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Well, here's the other here we're gonna throw the wrinkle
in there. I mentioned DJ Giddons is the running back.
DJ Giddens the running back from Kansas State. Now, as
a priority, which one do you think is a little higher?
I didn't think it's tight end, But I don't know
that either Helm or Ferguson are going to scratch the
itch really that we need as an inline blocker at
tight end. Okay, Giddons I think gives you a little
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bit more in a passing game. I think could be
a really dynamic dude with a ton of speed.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Let's scratch itches. Then let's take Giddins. Okay, let's take Giddons.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Let's do it. Let's take Giddings in Kansas State back.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I take four picks, and now you've added one in
here in the fourth round, and the titaner the Jaguars
wants you to move back, and I don't really want
that one.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Nah.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I don't trade with the Gladstone exactly.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Okay, so we're picking again. Okay, we got another running back.
No thanks, quin yours, No thanks. Howard Crossed the third
defensive tackle from Notre Dame Jordan Phillips. Defensive tackle from
Notre Dame Jackson Slater. What do you think I mean?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I like him?
Speaker 4 (10:29):
I like Jackson Slater. He's a center, slash guard. Tough,
really tough dude strong. Uh, there's one name that I
see there that it really intrigues me, and I'll tell
you why. He played at the University of Houston, but
then he transferred his final year to Oregon and played
alongside Derek Harmon, who I really like. You know that
he was in my mock draft first round Texans pick,
(10:50):
the last mock draft I did. Jamari Caldwell was fantastic
throughout his senior year. He is a big dude who
can move. Let's do it and I like that. I
like that a lot. And got Darius Alexander. He's a
little different. He's three hundred five pounds, which slick, sleek,
can really rush the quarterback. Jamory Caldwell is a guy
that at three hundred and twenty five three hundred and thirty pounds,
(11:13):
is agile and can really move. I like Jamuri Caldwell
right here in the fourth thron This would be a
great fourth throng pick.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I'm in okay, he's picked, all right.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
So now you're gonna wait a little bit because of
the trades, yep, that have happened. But you got the one, six, six,
you got the fifth. You'res are still there. Jordan Phillips
is still there, a guy we've taken before in mock
draft still and Samson the running back is still there.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
But we're not gonna do that here today. You like
Jake brining stool or he's more of a pass catching
tight not really? Yeah you want so, I'm okay with that.
But that pick right there. One forty seven. JJ pegeesey tackle, huh.
I know we've taken defensive tackle, but I'm gonna throw you.
I'm gonna throw you the ultimate curveball.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
JJ Pegeese could actually be our big man version of
Travis Hunter. Real he could play defensive tackle, but at
the Combine they had him work out at full back
and he ran routes and caught the football and.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Just look awesome, fantastic. Ole miss would get in wildcat
and put him.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
He's a former quarterback, and they would put him in
the wildcat and they would just run power with him,
and he picked up first downs.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I don't know how many times JJ Pegeese.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I know it says defensive tackle, but he could beat
a little like a different.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Weapon to use offensively.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
In addition to him playing defensive tackle, learning how to
play defensive tackle.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Now for forty seven year old Drew Doherty likes this.
Eight year old Andy Doherty, who was a huge fan
of William the Refrigert. Yeah, there you go, I'm saying,
but I just got to throw up one more thing.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Jonah Manheim, a center from USC. Are you interested or yes,
I'm very interested, I says. I like Jonah Manheim.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
He I think he went from tackle to center in
twenty twenty four at USC. When I saw him at
the Senior Bowl, I was really impressed with his grit,
kind of his toughness. He's think USC kind of flashed,
but he really tough, really kind of latched onto blocks.
He didn't win every one, but you could just tell
there's kind of a grimy, gritty, swarm like attitude. You
gave me Monheim here, one sixty six, I'd be very
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very happy.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I also like one sixty six on Pfens board.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Miles Miles Frasier, who's got long arms and plays guard.
He's got some technique work to do, but he transferred
from FIU, and I think he played about.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
As well as he could have at LSU.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
So I think there are some definite, good, good options
on the board right here.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I'm gonna let you make the pick, though, you know,
I kind of like the Monheim pick because I just
want to keep raising the level of competition there.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I like it in center. I like it good, Let's
do it. I like it.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
That's gonna be a little while before we pick again. Yeah,
we had the seventh, and the way the seventh, we've
dumped one of those picks, so I think.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
We only had one left.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, you see the names coming off the board, and
the Texans got to forty one. Okay, let's see at
the tip top. You got Ty Hamilton, Oh, good player.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Man.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
If I didn't have if we didn't already have taken
two defensive tackles, I would be all over tight hamlinth right.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Now, Jackson Hawes from Georgia Tech. That's the guy mentioned
another name, Cody Simon, your team super great great senior year.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
So we've taken Cody Simon before. But you like Jackson
Hall's a tight end. What are you thinking here?
Speaker 4 (14:19):
I just feel like Jackson Hawes as an inline blocking
tight end. He's an IVY leaguer and went to Yale.
I won't hold that against him, but at Georgia Tech
he really showed what a blocker he is. But then
when he went the Senior Bowl, I'm expecting, Okay, I'm
watching this guy block, but I'm watching run some good routes.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
He's got good soft hands.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
I'm not saying that he's gonna turn out, you know,
to catch seventy five eighty balls in a year. But
I just feel like to have somebody that just gets
after it as an inline blocker at the y position,
at tight end position. That just frees you up with
Kate Stover, It frees you up with Dalton Schultz. I'm
not saying you need a guy in seventh round. He's
gonna be a starter either, but you can at least
can at least go in that direction, So Jackson Hawes
(14:57):
would be the pick here. I like the guys we
mentioned Hamilton, but we've already got two defensive tackles.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Rahem Sanders speedy, linear.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Fast, big back, but we already got DJ Giddens who
gives us that and.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Then he gives us some wiggle as well.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Kyle Oliver reviewed interesting kind of hybrid stack edge rusher
now zerr Stackhouse. Again, We've got a number of defensive tackles.
MC McWilliams I think is underrated corner. But to me,
I think Jackson Hawes is is the pick. But I'll
let you make the final decision, Drew.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I'm gonna roll with that. That's cool. Jackson Hawes there,
it is all right.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
So here's the here's the final pali you get. We
get the guy that we've a lot of folks have
lusted after, Tyler Booker at the tip top and the
other book Jalen Royals wide receiver. Can you think come
come in and make some plays for the seconds from
Utah State? Yet Darius Alexander d tackle who you kind
of think is a steal there at seventy nine and
then are running back in DJ Giddens Jamari Caldwell, the
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d tackle, Jonah Mannheim a center and tight end to
round things out, Jackson Hawes. We made some trades, so
we stayed true to our Nick Cassario had a model
making multiple trades. Maybe not maybe not as many as
Nick might meg Or has made, but some trades. Nonetheless,
you cool with that.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I'm very very cool with that draft.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
I like what we've done there, good diversity amongst the
defensive tackles on one bigger one, a little bit sleeker.
I love getting Booker, Like I said the draft day
mantra Vonte Mack, no matter what, Tyler Booker, no matter what,
at twenty five, I would absolutely love that.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Booker alone makes it feel like a big, big degree. Absolutely,
and then the other stuff that's icing on a delicious cake. Yes,
it is very frosty, well said Druseph. All right, hey,
we're gonna do this one more time, which is gonna
be Wednesday, so two weeks from you know now, yep,
and then in between then we'll have another in the lab.
But the draft is almost here. I can't wait. I
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know you can't wait, John, and I know you watching
listening Being the third part of this tripod. Because the
tripod falls over, there's only two parts, so the three
of us we had fun here. I hope you loved
doing this because I know we did. And we will
see you and talk with you next time. Oh W
In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different
look at things. Drew Doherty and John Harris have their
lab coats and goggles on and the Bunsen burners burning.
Here's Drew, John, I can't believe it.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
This is the penultimate.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
I love sad pennouncements, which is next to less great word,
pribly pedantic to say penultimate, but anyways, it's p pedantic
to say padantic. This is the next to last mock
draft simulation we're gonna do on in the Lab, less
than two weeks away from the NFL draft. Sound a
little bit like George McFly there, Hey, get your damn
(00:42):
hands offer, But anyways, we are said, let's get rocket
and rolling.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
You ready for this, let's go, let's go, let's do it.
So here we go.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
We're gonna share the screen and as you know, as
you know, we use the Pro Football Network mock draft simulator,
right and we love it because they have trades. So
here we go, Johnny, We're doing seven rounds. Click over here,
going fast because always too fast, too furious, and we're
going to click on Houston.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
We're going to enter the solo draft, and here we go.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
We're going to make the Houston Texans a better football
team by choosing some of these guys. So we've entered
the solo draft. Names are flying off the board, and
at twenty five, the Texans have some options. Before we
look at those options, and my mouth is watering when
I see one of the options. Tampa Bay wants to
send us a crap package of a second, a third,
(01:35):
a second and third over the next two years. No
thank you, Tampa Bay. Get lost. The Saints want to
give us their two and their three. Thanks a lot,
No thanks. This is interesting. The Rams want us to
move back one spot and they want to give us
a fifth rounder that they have next year. I'm not
(01:57):
I'm not against that, but John, seeing this name right here, yeah,
twenty third rank name overall, which I think could probably
be ranked higher, Tyler Booker, the offensive lineman from Alabama,
I just want to run up and turn the card in.
With about seventeen seconds into the fifteen minute alignment.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Here's where that trade offer from the Rams would worry
me because I think they would be trading up because
they see the same name. Yeah, and so I would think, no,
we're not going to take that. We would get I
think at twenty twenty six fifth to go down one spot.
I wouldn't do it because I think the Rams want
(02:38):
that same name.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I've thought they also just saw Gray Zabel get picked
a spot ahead right at twenty four by the.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Exactly, so you kind of fear that run of the
two or three guys that you're thinking about that spot.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
And it makes me think of.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Draft Day and in you know the reason I think
of that movie.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I can't why I'm I'm blanket on.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Oh it's one spot in time out. John Harris here
he started following the draft and getting into the draft
after he saw the Kevin Coster movie Draft Day.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
So that's that's false, that's false. But I do. I
do watch Draft Day. It's a fun movie. I do
watch Draft Day.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Oh here's why I was thinking a Draft Day, Kevin
Coster writes in the post it do you remember what
he writes in the post?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
It remind me Vonte Mack no matter what got it? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that is. Tyler Booker is my Vonte Mack.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Tyler Booker, no matter what, he's there, snatch him, let's rock.
I think Tyler Booker is the right pick there at
twenty five. So we're make damn you did it. Ooh hmm, Okay,
here's an interesting one.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Trade offers.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yeah, fifty eight uh and one of your sevenths to
move back eleven so move up to the one hundred
and six pick. Right, you'd be out of the second round,
but you'd have a third in a.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
And you get a fourth. And that's one thing that
Texas don't have, Drew.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
We don't have a six because that right now as
it sits after pick eighty nine, because we go fifty eight,
seventy eight eighty nine I believe is the numbering and
then it's all the way to one sixty six. So
I would be prone to make this deal with New
England because I get sixty nine and moved down eleven spots.
I moved down to the top of the round and
third round, but I also get a fourth round or
(04:16):
at the top of the fourth round. I do have
to give up my seventh round pick, but I'm okay
doing that. Yeah, I like this trade offer. What do
you think?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I like it too, and I'm I'm prone to take it,
but I want to see what else is out there. Okay,
move back to with the Lions and add one ninety six.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
I actually like the Patriots won a little bit more
because I like that top of the fourth round pick
at one O six.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Look who's here before we do this? Okay, I got
Wyatt Milam from VIRGINI you don't like him high?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I like I like him. I think it's probably a
little bit high for him. Caleb Johnson the run, He
is really fun.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Man.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
If if the Texans are going to be a wide
zone team, Caleb Johnson is absolutely the pick, no doubt
he's the pick. Well, we've already taken Donavan Jackson. I
think Cheries are really good tackle. We talked about him
before took book Who took Booker? We took Booker and
I like Ursery, but I don't.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
I don't love him.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
I actually would like to see him in the third round,
but that's just me at he's kind of kind of
long and awkward a little bit. But look, one of
the things I've always said, he gets guys blocked. Somehow,
he gets guys blocked. I like pick fifty seven or
the player of number fifty seven, Jalen Royals wide receiver
Utah State.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I would be very tempted.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
I don't know, and this might change everything for me
because I don't know that we could get him down
at sixty nine.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
And that's so.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
I'll lead up to you, Drew because I like Jalen Royals.
I like the Patriots trade offer.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
That is a nice offer. But let's get let's get
guys we think can help. I think we'll be there.
So let's take you.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Jalen Royal spot twol five thick, strong, fast, very fast,
but lightning change of direction. I think it's a good
pick with taking Jaylien Royals at fifty eight.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Hey, you want to move back five spots and add
on a seventh year? No, No, you want to add
a third next year and move back about I'm not
not into that.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
So we got two trade offers. No, I don't think
you want them. Look good. So we're sitting at seventy nine.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Okay, you got the highest rated players defensive tackle from Toledo,
Darius Alexander.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
You this easily? What?
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Yes, Yeah, that's your guy. That's that's the guy. I
have him rated in the forties. Oh, I think he
is a stud. Now he's a little bit older. That's
kind of one of the things against him. But he
was at Toledo for six years. Dude, his long, fast, athletic,
great pass rush moves.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Darius Alexander would end up being a player for us
for sure.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Okay, here we are, we're picking again at eighty nine.
We're getting asked to give up eighty nine and a
seventh yep, to move back seven spots and also pick
up one thirty four from the Eagles. Let's remember that one, okay,
and then let's move back and not really get great
stuff from Washington. Now, I'm I'm I'm cool with some
of the first one. But I see Elijah Arroyo available
(06:56):
the tight end out of Miami, and I know you
like him a lot.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Yeah, I don't understand why he's at number ninety. I
really don't. He's a tremendous seam runner. I mean, he's
gonna be a one on one matchup nightmare for defensive backs.
I think I think he's gonna be really tough for him.
Gunner Helm is also on the board at eighty seven.
I think Arroyo is a little bit better athlete than Helm.
But I don't know that you go wrong with either one. Now,
what we've already done. If you think about what we've
(07:21):
already picked, We've picked Donovan Jackson guard.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Tackle, Tyler Booker, which yet, why do I keep saying
donavand Jackson? We got Tyler Brooker to guard.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Then the second round we got Jalen Royals, and then
we got Darius Alexander. So we've hit the three positions interier,
offensive line, interidefensive line, and wide receiver that many people,
us included think that's the way that we should go.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
So to me, I think tight end is up there now.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
I think you would probably look at more of an
inline blocking tight end, and I think Arroyo is very willing,
but I.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Don't know that that's his core competency.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
I think if you're looking for an in line, why
Jackson Hawes from Georgia Tech. Maybe in the fifth or
sixth round. So I like these two tight ends though
that are on a board. I like DJ Giddons, the
running back from Kansas State, who's also on the board
right there.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Yeah, there's also Terrence Ferguson available. Yeah, lower down.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Another another tight end. I really like out an organ.
So I kind of want to do this trade with.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
The I do too, because you're only going down seven
spots and you still have those three guys.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
You like, and you're dumping a seventh to move up
into the you know earlier earlier.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
In the drafts. So now we lost to Royo, Like,
gunner Helm is there, but.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Gunnerhilm is there, and also Terrence Ferguson is there now I.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Know, and Hiln Fairchild another guard if you want to
keep going offensive line from.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Good solid football player.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
But I think for right now, I kind of like
what we have at guard by having taken Tyler Booker
with adding ed Ingram and also Lake and Tomlinson depending
on what you gonna do with Titus Howard Titus could
play guard. So I think you're guard wise. I think
I might be okay there, Okay, I have Helm Ferguson,
I have Ferguson readied ahead of Helm.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Do you really yeah? Goodness? Okay, well yeah, not by much.
But I have Ferguson ready ahead.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
It end, and he must be good because Gunner Helm
is one of those guys that I had a just
a casual football crush on. I like dudes at hurdle people.
I like big dudes at hurdle. He's a big dude
that hurdles guys. He played for the Longhorns. But if
you say, Ferguson is the guy.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
But don't get me wrong though, don't get me wrong though,
I like Gunnerhilm a lot. I really like Gunner Helm.
He's just not quite the athlete that Ferguson is.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
And let's do Ferguson. Is that our pick?
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Well, here's the other here we're gonna throw the wrinkle
in there. I mentioned DJ Giddons is the running back.
DJ Giddens the running back from Kansas State. Now, as
a priority, which one do you think is a little higher?
I didn't think it's tight end, But I don't know
that either Helm or Ferguson are going to scratch the
itch really that we need as an inline blocker at
tight end. Okay, Giddons I think gives you a little
(09:51):
bit more in a passing game. I think could be
a really dynamic dude with a ton of speed.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Let's scratch itches. Then let's take Giddins. Okay, let's take Giddons.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Let's do it. Let's take Giddings in Kansas State back.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I take four picks, and now you've added one in
here in the fourth round, and the titaner the Jaguars
wants you to move back, and I don't really want
that one.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Nah.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I don't trade with the Gladstone exactly.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Okay, so we're picking again. Okay, we got another running back.
No thanks, quin yours, No thanks. Howard Crossed the third
defensive tackle from Notre Dame Jordan Phillips. Defensive tackle from
Notre Dame Jackson Slater. What do you think I mean?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I like him?
Speaker 4 (10:29):
I like Jackson Slater. He's a center, slash guard. Tough,
really tough dude strong. Uh, there's one name that I
see there that it really intrigues me, and I'll tell
you why. He played at the University of Houston, but
then he transferred his final year to Oregon and played
alongside Derek Harmon, who I really like. You know that
he was in my mock draft first round Texans pick,
(10:50):
the last mock draft I did. Jamari Caldwell was fantastic
throughout his senior year. He is a big dude who
can move. Let's do it and I like that. I
like that a lot. And got Darius Alexander. He's a
little different. He's three hundred five pounds, which slick, sleek,
can really rush the quarterback. Jamory Caldwell is a guy
that at three hundred and twenty five three hundred and thirty pounds,
(11:13):
is agile and can really move. I like Jamuri Caldwell
right here in the fourth thron This would be a
great fourth throng pick.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I'm in okay, he's picked, all right.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
So now you're gonna wait a little bit because of
the trades, yep, that have happened. But you got the one, six, six,
you got the fifth. You'res are still there. Jordan Phillips
is still there, a guy we've taken before in mock
draft still and Samson the running back is still there.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
But we're not gonna do that here today. You like
Jake brining stool or he's more of a pass catching
tight not really? Yeah you want so, I'm okay with that.
But that pick right there. One forty seven. JJ pegeesey tackle, huh.
I know we've taken defensive tackle, but I'm gonna throw you.
I'm gonna throw you the ultimate curveball.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
JJ Pegeese could actually be our big man version of
Travis Hunter. Real he could play defensive tackle, but at
the Combine they had him work out at full back
and he ran routes and caught the football and.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Just look awesome, fantastic. Ole miss would get in wildcat
and put him.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
He's a former quarterback, and they would put him in
the wildcat and they would just run power with him,
and he picked up first downs.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I don't know how many times JJ Pegeese.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I know it says defensive tackle, but he could beat
a little like a different.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Weapon to use offensively.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
In addition to him playing defensive tackle, learning how to
play defensive tackle.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Now for forty seven year old Drew Doherty likes this.
Eight year old Andy Doherty, who was a huge fan
of William the Refrigert. Yeah, there you go, I'm saying,
but I just got to throw up one more thing.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Jonah Manheim, a center from USC. Are you interested or yes,
I'm very interested, I says. I like Jonah Manheim.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
He I think he went from tackle to center in
twenty twenty four at USC. When I saw him at
the Senior Bowl, I was really impressed with his grit,
kind of his toughness. He's think USC kind of flashed,
but he really tough, really kind of latched onto blocks.
He didn't win every one, but you could just tell
there's kind of a grimy, gritty, swarm like attitude. You
gave me Monheim here, one sixty six, I'd be very
(13:11):
very happy.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I also like one sixty six on Pfens board.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Miles Miles Frasier, who's got long arms and plays guard.
He's got some technique work to do, but he transferred
from FIU, and I think he played about.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
As well as he could have at LSU.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
So I think there are some definite, good, good options
on the board right here.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I'm gonna let you make the pick, though, you know,
I kind of like the Monheim pick because I just
want to keep raising the level of competition there.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I like it in center. I like it good, Let's
do it. I like it.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
That's gonna be a little while before we pick again. Yeah,
we had the seventh, and the way the seventh, we've
dumped one of those picks, so I think.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
We only had one left.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, you see the names coming off the board, and
the Texans got to forty one. Okay, let's see at
the tip top. You got Ty Hamilton, Oh, good player.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Man.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
If I didn't have if we didn't already have taken
two defensive tackles, I would be all over tight hamlinth right.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Now, Jackson Hawes from Georgia Tech. That's the guy mentioned
another name, Cody Simon, your team super great great senior year.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
So we've taken Cody Simon before. But you like Jackson
Hall's a tight end. What are you thinking here?
Speaker 4 (14:19):
I just feel like Jackson Hawes as an inline blocking
tight end. He's an IVY leaguer and went to Yale.
I won't hold that against him, but at Georgia Tech
he really showed what a blocker he is. But then
when he went the Senior Bowl, I'm expecting, Okay, I'm
watching this guy block, but I'm watching run some good routes.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
He's got good soft hands.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
I'm not saying that he's gonna turn out, you know,
to catch seventy five eighty balls in a year. But
I just feel like to have somebody that just gets
after it as an inline blocker at the y position,
at tight end position. That just frees you up with
Kate Stover, It frees you up with Dalton Schultz. I'm
not saying you need a guy in seventh round. He's
gonna be a starter either, but you can at least
can at least go in that direction, So Jackson Hawes
(14:57):
would be the pick here. I like the guys we
mentioned Hamilton, but we've already got two defensive tackles.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Rahem Sanders speedy, linear.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Fast, big back, but we already got DJ Giddens who
gives us that and.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Then he gives us some wiggle as well.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Kyle Oliver reviewed interesting kind of hybrid stack edge rusher
now zerr Stackhouse. Again, We've got a number of defensive tackles.
MC McWilliams I think is underrated corner. But to me,
I think Jackson Hawes is is the pick. But I'll
let you make the final decision, Drew.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I'm gonna roll with that. That's cool. Jackson Hawes there,
it is all right.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
So here's the here's the final pali you get. We
get the guy that we've a lot of folks have
lusted after, Tyler Booker at the tip top and the
other book Jalen Royals wide receiver. Can you think come
come in and make some plays for the seconds from
Utah State? Yet Darius Alexander d tackle who you kind
of think is a steal there at seventy nine and
then are running back in DJ Giddens Jamari Caldwell, the
(15:52):
d tackle, Jonah Mannheim a center and tight end to
round things out, Jackson Hawes. We made some trades, so
we stayed true to our Nick Cassario had a model
making multiple trades. Maybe not maybe not as many as
Nick might meg Or has made, but some trades. Nonetheless,
you cool with that.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I'm very very cool with that draft.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
I like what we've done there, good diversity amongst the
defensive tackles on one bigger one, a little bit sleeker.
I love getting Booker, Like I said the draft day
mantra Vonte Mack, no matter what, Tyler Booker, no matter what,
at twenty five, I would absolutely love that.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Booker alone makes it feel like a big, big degree. Absolutely,
and then the other stuff that's icing on a delicious cake. Yes,
it is very frosty, well said Druseph. All right, hey,
we're gonna do this one more time, which is gonna
be Wednesday, so two weeks from you know now, yep,
and then in between then we'll have another in the lab.
But the draft is almost here. I can't wait. I
(16:48):
know you can't wait, John, and I know you watching
listening Being the third part of this tripod. Because the
tripod falls over, there's only two parts, so the three
of us we had fun here. I hope you loved
doing this because I know we did. And we will
see you and talk with you next time. Oh W
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