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Speaker 1 (00:02):
In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different
look at things. Drew Doherty and John Harris have their
lab coats and goggles on and the Bunsen burners burning.
Here's Drew, John.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
We've got an in the lab in the lab today
because this is it. Yeah, this is it you John
Harris and Drew Doherty and you you watching listening. Thank you,
the three of us together here now in the lab
in the lab. What's that mean? Well, we york out
here sometimes on in the lab. When they started back
in twenty eighteen, we kind of wanted to dig deeper
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and do some fun things and nerd out in a sense.
So we've redrafted the twenty eleven draft for the Yeaton Texans.
We've redrafted the two thousand and or ten draft for
the Texans. You know, we've done things like that. We've
we've said, okay, you get to pick two Houston Oilers
all time and put them on in the two thousand
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and nineteen Houston We did that. So that's what we're after.
We do mock draft simulations about three four times a
draft season. So with that in mind, right in our wheelhouse,
coming down Broadway, you gotta swing. If this is there,
you're not taking this one. We are hammering away at
this and hitting a triple to the gap PFF. Recently,
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they've been doing a lot of things here this offseason,
but recently they had a redraft for the entire NFL
of two thousand and six.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
John, Yeah, they're starting each year moving forward, and they
went back. I think they went back to two thousand
and six because that was the first year I believe
with PFF, So that's where that's where they went back
and started in two thousand and six.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
And they're doing a year every.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I don't know, every week or so it seems, and
they're gonna do it probably up until the season. But
you you hit it like are in the like ore
in the lab, like love and Genesis comes out of
like doing greed drafts and looking back and butterfly effects
and things like that.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
The what ifs, yeah, the what ifs yeah, and you
roller right out of what if. That's all right, move on,
do something else. But we're gonna what if the what ifs.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
So two thousand and six to reset.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
We got to give this twenty twenty three draft a
few more years before we can crown it. But two
thousand and six draft is generally regarded as the best
in team history. Two thousand and nine pretty darn good.
Two twenty eleven you get JJ Watt. Two thousand and
three you get Dre But on the whole top to bottom,
it's tough to argue about six. Yeah, the first overall pick,
you surprised everyone by taking Mario Williams. He was a
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pro bowler here. He had one hundred sacks in his career.
Great player. Your second rounder is now down the hall.
He's your head coach, but he's one of the greatest
leaders in franchise history.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
He was the defensive rookie of the year.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
It was Demico Ryans, linebacker played here through twenty eleven
and was awesome. In the third round, you've got Carl Spencer,
Eric Winston. You got a couple of great tackles. Spencer
gout hurt. It's too bad he was too promising. Yeah,
block that for what we're getting to. Eric Winston was
phenomenal for you. He started here for four or five years.
He was excellent, part of the best defensive line in
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team history. And then in the fourth got the greatest
tight end in franchise history. And Owen Daniels, and then
after that we got David Anderson in there, he's a
wide receiver.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Later in the seventh.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Wally Lundy was in there. Yeah, I think he was
the one.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I think he's the only other one that we that
we needed to mention was Wally Lundy.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
I think you you hit all you hit the high.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Point, hit the high points.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
While yeah, well you got a fine player here, did
some some solid things, just not as notable as some
of those others.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
But yeah, yeah, o d in there.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Great draft, Yeah, tremendous draft.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
However, if PFF had had its way back in two
thousand and six, life in Houston would be all kinds
of different, crazy different, like crazy, I'm talking current day,
current team crazy different.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
And they just did the first round, right, they just
did the first round. Yeah, that complicates things, it does.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
They just did the first round, so they didn't go
any further, but they did thirty two picks. The last
two picks of the round. Show you you know what
an exact science this ends up being. Because the last
two picks of the round, picks thirty one and thirty two,
Seattle Seahawks drafted. They redrafted Brent Grimes from Shippensburg who
was undrafted, so.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
They drafted a corner. They drafted Kelly Jennings from out.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Of Miami and he was okay, but Brent Grimes was
really really good. And the last pick of the round
was the guy that I really loved was Tremont Williams,
cornerback to the Pittsburgh Steelers. So the Pittsburgh Steelers won
the five season Super Bowl, were going to six.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
So there are a number of things when it comes to.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
The butterfly effect of this whole of just redrafting. So,
like you said, Mario Williams is drafted number one, PFF
has the Texans redrafting Andrew Whitworth, future Hall of Fame
left tackle right PFF had an overall elite ninety three
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point four PFFF grade overall grade across sixteen years.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Now.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Whitworth did it in both Cincinnati and then with the
Rams to finish up his career, won a Super Bowl
in twenty one, and then he got into media and
he's pretty good.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
He was an.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Excellent left tackle. Yeah, so it makes me wonder though
there was outrage. Yeah, Mario Williams was drafted by the face, Yes,
by the media, and understandably so because he had Reggie
Bush and he had Vince Young also available, and I
was in the Vince Young camp.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
I'll admit it would the outrage.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Did you put up the sign like Mattress Macda?
Speaker 5 (05:49):
No? I did not.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
But the outrage if Andrew Whitworth would have been there
as well, oh through the roof? Would it have been
worse than the outrage we saw with Mario Williams, because hey,
what plague the Texans at that that time, poor pass.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Particular right David Carr taking a lot of sacks.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
And still though with the with those two at the
top the Reggie Vince debate, there's still gonna be outrage
over Whitworth.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
But is it more understandable?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Like, well, okay, at least they're getting a great tackle,
right outrage versus who is this guy?
Speaker 5 (06:21):
There would have been a who is this guy? With Whitworth.
But yeah, I think.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
There's that there's an there there's an LSU component, and
we know we got a lot of LSU grads, and
I think there would have been a lot of thumbs
up from Whitworth having had a great career at LSU.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
So I think, yeah, they're a little bit of that. Okay,
protection for your quarterback.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I think when I think back to two thousand and
six and a long time ago, but when you think
about the thought process in this building.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
It was we got to beat the Colts. How are
we going to beat the Colts? We gotta go rush
the quarterback. Okay, well, how do you do that? Well
you go get this uber athlete in Mario Williams.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Now to let you know that Mario Williams wasn't just
a complete dud.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
In this redraft. He goes twelveth to the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
So it wasn't as if it was a complete you know,
he was a complete bust, not at all. I mean,
I think he and Mark and I talked about this
a little bit last week.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Drews.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Mario's probably we talked about this. Travis Johnson, He's like
Mario is probably the most underrated Texan. But because he
was the number one overall picks, there was such expectations.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yes, and man like Clowney. Clowney didn't have anybody that
he had to deal with as far as Vince and
Reggie that popular like him in that fourteen draft.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Now, if you read Johnny Manzel but everybody kind of
knew Johnny was a little rough around the edges.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
It was a little different, and he was physically he
was a smaller guy.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, there were real question legit questions and concerns about
what he could do in addition all the off field stuff.
But man, the outrage would have still been there with
Whitworth and it still would have been fierce. But I think,
like you're saying, it would have been temp a bit
by the LSU component. But Mario Williams, after he leaves
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the Texans, he goes on and has multiple double digit
sack seasons, getting quietly in Buffalo when they weren't winning
big like they are now. And you know, he finishes,
like I said, with over one hundred sacks, and you're
that's a good point. He was one of the most
underrated Texans of all time. So here's because the expectations.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
So I liked that you brought this up.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
So when I saw this, my instant gut reaction was, Okay, well,
we're not drafting Dwayne in two thousand and eight, so
I was curious to see what PFF would do two
years from now. But at the time I was like, well, Okay,
we're not drafting Dwayne. If we had Whitworth that left tackle,
we're not drafting Dwayne in two thousand and eight. And
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I thought what PFF did in two thousand and eight,
it was pretty interesting, which we can get to a
little bit later, but that was my instant reaction. Okay,
we're not drafting Dwayne, so eight we can do something different.
We're not gonna trade up and down or whatever we
did in that draft to go get Dwayne Brown. Whitworth's
gonna be the guy, and he's gonna be the guy
going forward. When I told you that it was Andrew
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Whitworth the tackle at number one? Was your instant reaction?
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Man?
Speaker 4 (09:14):
What would it?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
What would the fans have thought about that? What was
your instant reaction to hear and Andrew Whitworth at number one?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
With all the hindsight, I was like, that's cool, Yeah,
you know whatever, But yeah, they would have lost I
lost it. In two thousand and six, I was at Lubbock, Texas, Yeah,
and I was getting ready. I can't remember what I
was getting ready to do, but I heard that the Texans,
because it was Friday night, they signed him to tie
Mario and.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
I remember, yes, I know exactly where I was too
when it was this was happening.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
And now the team Vince Young. I had seen all
the heroics. I thought he was Vince Young as a
college quarterback. I thought he was Michael Jordan as a
college quarterback, and he was gonna come home and do
all these awesome things.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
And I swore off the Houston Texans.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Friday night and Saturday, I was up at the United
Spirit Arena in Lubbock, Texas.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
It's where they play their basketball games.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
It's probably called something different now, but they had a
studio down there in a control room, and I was
having to voice something for the Baseball Coaches show, the
Larry Hayes Show that I hosted. And I just seen
Demiko Ryans in Alabama beat that really good Texas Tech
football team Cotton Bowl. They only got him by a
field goal that fluttered through the left upright. And Demiko
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I'd interviewed him days before the game in the ballroom
at one of those hotels, and Demiko was super smart.
He was the SEC defensive Player of the Year, and
he reiterated a few times, He's like, we don't need
to blitz this team because we think we can win
with our front four, so we're not gonna have to blitz.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
We're not gonna have to blitz. We won't blitz them.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I'm standing on looking down the line of scrimmage on
game day and the entire game, and what does Demico
Ryans do. He blitzes a couple of times, and he
looked like he had been shot out of a cannon.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
Saw lots of games that year.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I saw Tech play against play at Texas, and they
all tight with him for about a quarter. But then
the eventual national champions, you know, outran him and out
boat they both raced him. I never saw anybody like
Demiko Ryans though, playing linebacker that way, and so I
was very, very impressed.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
But then I just forgot.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
So the Texans Friday night they sign Mario, they make
it formal by drafting him, and I'm just grumbling. The
second round is on Saturday, pick number thirty three on Saturday,
second round and they take Demiko Ryans, and I look
up at the screen and I'm.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Like, all right, I actually liked that.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I think I'm gonna give the I'm gonna give the
Texans one more chance, and hey, how great is have
things turned out.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Yeah, well, if.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
It had gone the way that PFF called it, you
might not have thought that drew because, like you said,
Demiko was pig number thirty three, the first pick of
the second round this redraft, he goes to pig number.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Eighteen, probably where he should have been Richens right, because
there were there was talk then what he fell.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
The Texans were lucky to get him.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Do you know who had pick number eighteen? Who's at
the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah, I mean, imagine what life is
like if Demico Ryans had gone to the Dallas Cowboys
plays there, ends up being the head coach for the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
He would have been talked about like Chuck Halle and
Leroy Jordan something great linebacker yep, of the of the
Cowboys past.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
You know, I thought it was interesting also in this
six draft when I when I told Mark that, I
mean he about vomited on air. But Demiko Ryans to
the Dallas Cowboys in this redraft, I mean, just seeing
it just makes my blood boil just thinking that he
would have been.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Part of the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
But what's interesting also in this draft was former Texans
that end up in this draft that weren't taken out
particular spots.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
So I mentioned Dimico goes at eighteen.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
A few picks prior to that, well, I mentioned Mario
goes number twelve to the Cleveland Browns, which boy, Mario
and Cleveland would have been. It would have been interesting
at pick number sixteen and ironic because the original pick
here is another former Texan. The Miami Dolphins in the
redraft select Jonathan Joseph from out of South Carolina, and
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the original pick of the Dolphins was cornerback Jason Allen
out of Tennessee.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
So they were teammates.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Yeah, exactly. H Dimico goes eighteen.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
At number twenty, the Kansas City Chiefs originally drafted tom
Ba Lee, but Ali has come off the board already,
so now they've got to go. And it's interesting because
they talk about the fact that Willie Rofe retired after
the NFL Draft. Who's a tackle and so they would
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have needed more tackles and they take one in the redraft.
Eric Winston from University of Miami goes number twenty one
pick before the Patriots draft wide receiver kick returner Devin
Hester from Miami.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
Yeah, he would have been a good page.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
How would life have been different if he's with the Patriots.
So the Texans have.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Three draft picks go in the first round in this redraft.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
We're not done at pick number twenty six.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Now this guy ends up being redrafted to the team
that actually drafted him.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
They're just doing it one round earlier.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
But he ended up becoming a Texan along with Jonathan
Joseph in twenty eleven.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
That free agent class from Abilene.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Christian safety Danielle Manning goes number twenty six in this
redraft from two thousand and six. Wow, so number of
Texans former Texans end up going. But Andrew Letworth goes
at number one to the Texans.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
So he's won.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Ultimately, three from the six Texans draft class wound up
being redrafted as.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Yells, Mario Demiko.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
And Mario Demiko, and uh Winston Mario Demiico Winston and No.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
One Daniels No One Daniels No.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
In fact, I remember correctly, I don't remember seeing a
tight end drafted or redrafted in this entire first Oh,
take it back. Vernon Davis went to the Denver Broncos
at fifteen. He was one, but I don't remember. That's
why I didn't remember many others. Yeah, there were a
bunch of other tackles, safety, safety, safety, running back. This
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would have been much better. Well, he ended up going
to the same team Race Jones. Drew went to the
Jaguars at pick number twenty eight. He ended up going
to the Jaguars, So it was a good pick. They
just did it around earlier. So uh, definitely fun to
look back at two thousand and six because I think
that's a and it I think for a couple of reasons,
because it's that draft that has thought been thought to
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have been one of the best in team history. But
if you tweak it, just even a little bit with
Andrew Whitworth, it has a massive butterfly effect. Maybe not
even you know, through the rest of that draft. Do
you take X first year in Houston.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Do you take Winston? Do you take Winston or do
you take neither?
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Yeah? Do you do? You focus on a different position.
When they did the two thousand and.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Seven redraft, when they drafted a Movie Koy a number ten,
they ended up drafting redrafting Reggie Nelson, who played safety.
And Reggie Nelson was a fine, solid player. I followed
him because he's at the University of Florida. I thought
he's a really good zone player, and I think he
would have been a good, good player for the Texans,
and the Texans had not had a good history of
safeties other than maybe Marcus Coleman at that point.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, and when Danielle Manning got here,
you could argue he was instantly one of.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
The best they've ever had.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I think stepping in the building, I think Glover wound up,
you know, making an argument for that, and I think
we got some guys now that are gonna make an
argument that's right. But yeah, that's that's wild. I mean,
that's the butterfly effect. And I was explaining this to
that my children in the car the other day. But yeah,
what changes with that, I mean, just in that one
draft alone is massive?
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Massive?
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Yeah, I mean, no Dwayne Brown, so you go with Whitworth.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
So in eight, so in eight when they did their
p when PFF to redraft, they had this drafting a
guard Carl Nix, who is one of the better guards
there's been in the NFL, but injuries sort of short
you know, her tail is career uh huh. But if
you had Nix and Whitworth on the offensive line, whether
you take Winston or not. And O six, let's say
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you do take Winston. You got a ligne with Whitworth
and uh Winston that you tackles Carl Knix at guard.
There are some things that you probably you know, you
probably don't have to draft Bubb Caldwell, you know, who
had kind of a you know, up and down down
the short career here in Houston. Maybe you can focus
somewhere else. And of course we talked about this all
the time when we do our redrafts, are like, okay, yeah,
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we're doing it with hindsight. You know. It's always good
when you could look back at a draft and go, man,
this was great in the moment and ten years down
the road. But a draft never looks as good as
you wanted to. That's why it's always fun to do
these redrafts. But I think it does bring up why
didn't they do that? Why didn't they Andrew Orth wasn't
going number one, It wasn't in fact going the second round,
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But when you look back on hindsight, it makes a
lot of sense that he would have been a pick considering,
like you said, Drew, how much the Texans struggled with protecting.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
The quarterback totally, totally, and then in O eight, like
you talk about, they go with Nicks the guard.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
Yeap makes things interesting.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
So you have a good offensive line in theory just
by those two guys alone, because you've you've really bolstered
things they're making. Maybe you're making things easier for show,
but really are you, Because what we saw in eleven
and for ten like that, that unit, those are the
two Those are the gold standards here in Texans history
as far as that's offensive lines, that's what we're able
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to do.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
Man, I love things like this.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
In two thousand and eight redraft by PFF, the first
pick is Matt Ryan goes to Miami Dolphins. This is
a huge butterfly effect. He goes down to Miami. Number
two pick was a guy one's second round to Saint
Louis Rams. They took Chris Long. He ends up going
in this draft at some point. He had a really
good career, but they go with Klays Campbell Saint Louis
Rams at number three. The Atlanta Falcons, who went with
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Matt Ryan draft in this redraft Dwayne Brown at number
three overall. In the two thousand and eight drafts. That's amazing. Yeah,
that's amazing. I would have never had my big draft
moment if that hal gone down this way. But it
is kind of interesting to look back at this. The
number four pick in two thousand and eight redraft was
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the Oakland Raiders.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
They take a gun slinger by the name.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Of Joe Flacco, Joe Flecker, Joe Flacco in Oakland.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Man.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Wow, it's fun to in you look at some of
these names, uh, in these redrafts, It's like, yeah, I
don't know how that would have gone over you know,
I mean just thinking about how it would have gone
over here, Yeah, thinking about how yeah, oh Man.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Raiders take a quarterback from Delaware. Al Davis has to
go up to the mic and say, this guy can
throw the long ball and he could. He could.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
I mean, he would have been the prototypical Raiders quarterback
and he was the best besides Matt Ryan at eight drafts.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
So it makes sense.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
But going back and seeing some of these names and
where they got drafted, and you know, to know that
Matt Forte was drafted, they have him going to thirteen
the Panthers and oh eight, he was a second round pick.
To the Bears, and he was one of the better
players in a draft class man.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
He was so good they have him.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Now, I'll ask you this in hindsight, Yes, looking back,
Panthers said the thirteenth pick in this redrafted to Oh wait,
they have a choice because in this redraft they go
thirteen and fourteen back to back running backs. Which draft
pick would you take? Hindsight is a guide, Matt fourte
or CJ two K?
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Chris Johnson? You can only take one?
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Can take one?
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Forte? Did it longer? Right?
Speaker 4 (21:14):
I mean, did it longer?
Speaker 5 (21:16):
CJ two K? Did it more? Spectacularly? Burst?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
And adding him to what Steve Smith and the loane
at that point? What's that due man? Crazyly adding either
of them? I mean, I think you bolster that team.
But I like the flash and I'm I'm colored, partly
because the first road trip I went on with the
Houston Texans in two thousand and nine was Week two
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a absolute it's kind of like not forgotten, but it's
sort of pushed away. It is because the season was solid,
but it wasn't a playoff season. But that was a
huge win and it was a wild, wild, wild game. Yes,
the Tech decided not to cover Chris Johnson at least
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just like, hey, oh my god, let him have his
fifteen yards of space.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
And he punished him for it.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
But yeah, but Andre Johnson also answered the bell and
had a huge.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
He had that great one handed catch going in the
back of that far end zone.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
And the seasons were germinated.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
We were watered, we're planted, and we're starting the bud
of the Andre Johnson Cortland Finigan ker kuffle that came
to be a year later, but a lot of it
started in that game and kept and was was strengthened
in that game because he and Andre mix it up.
There was one deep ball going Andre's way and Finland
Fittigan was beat, so he just jumped on Andre Johnson's back,
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I mean just just tackled him.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
That sounds like, man, I would have I probably would
take you Chris Johnson, but.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
I love I love Forte. He's did for a little
bit longer.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
But just having that weapon of Chris Johnson, it would
have been would have been pretty amazing for you one
of this first.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
I would have gone with like a burst in time. Well,
I would have gone with Johnson. But if you really
want to get the better player. I think you'd have
to go with fourteen because he was better for longer
and you know, pretty versatile as well.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
He was a damn good player for the Bears. Man,
Panthers couldn't couldn't miss.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
They took Jonathan Stewart, who's in his own right, but
they end up going with Forte in that two thousand
and eight redraft. In two thousand and eight redraft, we
mentioned the Texans take Carl Nicks. He was drafted in
the fifth round, but he was a first team All
Pro once, a second team All Pro once, and a
Pro Bowler twice. But he had to retire after six
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seasons due to MRSA infection that I remember. You got
that with the Saints.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
But he was day. He was damn good.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
You put him on the line with Whitworth and Winston,
and my god, you would have had an even better
offensive line than you had in either one of those years.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, then sprinkling Chris Myers be a trade. Yeah, with
that line for sure. Hey man, I love doing this
with you.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
I help you. Our third member.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Enjoyed watching, listening and send us your thoughts because we
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Speaker 5 (24:01):
This has been in the lab. It's John, I'm Drew
and you're you.