Head coach Sean McVay sits down with J.B. Long on the newest episode of The Coach McVay Show to talk about tight end Terrance Ferguson's development leading to more integration in plays, the Los Angeles Rams' improvements in the red zone, and kicker Harrison Mevis' great first NFL game.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome back to the Coach McVeigh Show, presented by Microsoft
Surface co Pilot plus PC with the head coach of
your Los Angeles Ramshaw mcveay. I'm JB. Wong La and Seattle.
Time for the best records in the NFC at seven
and two and the more you win, the bigger the stakes.
Get it. It comes a really big week for the
Los Angeles Rams.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yeah, you know, and I've seen these guys from Afar.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
We've crossed over with some of their film and you've
seen what a great complete team that they are. And
you know, I'm looking forward to diving into this preparation.
But this is what you love every single week. You know,
whether it was a great team in the Niners yesterday,
it was really proud of the way that our group
handled that.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
But you just got to stack days, one day at
a time. I love the humility.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I love that the team understands that their confidence comes
from the work. No words, like we've talked about in
previous weeks. And what a great opportunity to be back
at so far. I expect a great atmosphere and environment,
but I'm looking forward for us to be able to
take a step. But what a great challenge is what
you love about this league?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
No doubt. Don't know if it was true across word,
but I thought we could start up front. When you
looked at the tape collectively, was that one of the
better days the offensive line has had this?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I thought it was.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
And I think the best part about it is is
that what the players, the coaches, you know, they's still
room for growth, you know. And I think that's a
really cool thing is that, Man, there's a lot of positives,
but where are there opportunities if we're really just taking accountability,
whether that's us as coaches or whether that's the players,
to say, all right, hey do I have a little
bit more? Can I consistently do the little things the
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right way from snap to whistle with the way that
I'm straining for a full sixty minutes or a full
sixty players or whatever it requires. But I was really
pleased with the way that we set the tone with
the line of scrimmage, you know, And I think we've
done that really on both sides of the football. But
I thought our offensive line, our tight ends, our receivers,
everybody that was a part of the blocking surface. I
was really pleased with yesterday against you know, a team
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that obviously they play really hard, they're really well coached.
You know, they've obviously they're missing some key players, but
they still have been a really good, productive, tough defense,
and I was proud of the way that our guys
set the tone.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
How contagious is the confidence that Matthew's playing with right now?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
I think it is, you know, I think you know,
I've been asked about it a little bit, and I think,
you know, when you think of Matthew Stafford, you think
of toughness, and I think of enjoyment, and I think
in a lot of instances, those things have kind of
become the identity of this football team, where they take
on a lot of the good traits that their leader possesses,
and he's he does it so seamlessly. He's got an
incredible just amount of you know, wisdom but also just
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eq in terms of how to be able to impart
his wisdom on guys but also have his personality kind
of rub off on them. And I think I think
it's a tremendous part of the confidence that our group's
playing with, starting with the guy at the switch.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
In addition to his precision what are some of the
other ingredients that have led to this red zone turnaround
mid season.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Well, I think, you know, I think there's a couple
of things that I would attribute to it. You know,
number one, it's his precision like you're talking about, but
it's also I mean, the most consistent thing you've seen
that's led to a bunch of these scores is you know,
Devonte's winning.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
One on one matchups.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
You know, we're able to It was great to be
able to get a couple rushing touchdowns yesterday. I thought
the surfaces of the way those runs were blocked, we're excellent.
Kirroen is able to press, sit and be able to
punch it in and then you know some different things
that you can create off of that. But it's a
team effort. It's the execution. But I've been you know,
it always starts with with the quarterback. But you know,
good offenses in the red zone they can win one
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on ones and they can have the ability to be
able to run the football, and I think those have
been the consistent things that we've seen show up. And
obviously that requires a quarterback to put the ball on
the spots that he wants when there's no vertical grass.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Are you going to find your quarterback for leaving you
hanging on that last touchdown?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
He did leave me hanging, didn't he?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Did?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
You see that? Though a little bit used to that,
I mean, I'm used to it. Man. It happens.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Everybody gets so excited. I come in there for a
good high five, or I go down in the front
pile on. Everybody just ignores me. I'm just a lonely guy.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
You mentioned Devane there. It's early in the week. Any
update on him or how.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
His haven't had any updates yet. You know, I know
his mind sentimentality. He's going to do everything in his
power to be ready to go. Haven't had a chance
to get with Reggie and those guys. But I'll be
surprised if if our guy doesn't make it to next week.
And I know he was optimistic about it after the game,
but you know will ultimately we'll see how he's feeling.
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
One of the reasons I asked is because no team
in the league was as dependent statistically on two individuals
as you guys were on the front end of the
schedule with Pooka and Davante. Now you've missed them for
at least a portion of a game and you haven't
missed a beat. What does that say about where this
offense and where this roster is. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
I think the first thing is is, you know, one
of the things that can sometimes be a blessing in
the skuys that we talked about is how do you
create authentic value for everybody and maximize their skill sets
and by nature of being able to utilize if you've
got a jersey up on game day, if you're one
of those forty eight, how can we maximize it. I
think our defense has done a really good job of that.
And then I think the offense. You know, our guys
on offense have done a really good job. And every
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single week, you know, we're tasked as a coaching staff,
how do we maximize our players' skill sets? How do
we put them in situations to give them successful outcomes?
And then you take into consideration the opponent and the
scheme that we're going against.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
But the more that.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
You have to defend, the more eligibles that get in involved.
In the past game, I love the way Matthews spreading
the football round and he's just taking what the defense
gives him and Oh, by the way, you have the
luxury of having two premier players like Davontae and Pooka,
But we got a lot of damn good football players
on this offense, and those guys are starting to show why.
You know, it is about the totality of the unit.
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I think Matthew's doing a great job of getting a
bunch of people involved. Like we were just talking as
an offensive staff, one of my favorite things is is
when you're using everybody. The most snaps that an offensive
skilled player played yesterday was thirty nine. Kyron and Kolbe
both played thirty nine snaps. But you know you're talking
about Davontae and Pooker in that just you know that
upper thirties area most of our tight ends are, and
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you know, and the backs you know, Corm ended up
getting close to thirty snaps. Is it's a good thing
where you're taking advantage of the collective and the depth.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Like you mentioned, so you're not pitch counting anyone, but
do you feel like you're getting maximum value out of
those reps because they're fresher and en.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
No question about it, you know, And I think ultimately
our job as an offense is to be able to
move the ball and score points. And I think that
being able to have this type of approach where it
is about the unit and the collective has been has
been favorable for us, you know, and we'll continue to see.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
If we can build on that.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
But I love the way the guys have done a
great job of embracing and understanding it. And I think
it's a combination of, you know, the players bring it
to life, but I think the coaches are doing a
really good job communicating, providing clarity for what's to be
expected within the framework of each of their roles.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
You've referenced yesterday and again just now. The defense kind
of inspiring you. Yeah, and I wonder if you can
elaborate on that experience of winning being richer because everyone
who has a helmet has a hand in it.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yeah, and I kind of mentioned this in my post
game you know. You know, my dad's had such a
big influence on me.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
JB.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
He's one of the greatest leaders I've ever seen, and
we often talk about, all right, well, how do you
create authentic buy in?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
How do you create cultures?
Speaker 3 (06:45):
You know, And it always is about and always has been,
always will be no matter what it's about the people.
But the biggest thing is is you know everybody throws
out the phrase everybody loves being a part of something
bigger than themselves.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Well, your job and our.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Job as a leader, as leaders is to be able
to say yes. But how do we make sure that
they understand that their role contributes it is important to
where we're going. How do you authentically create value for people,
find an opportunity for them to be maximized. Some people
are going to play less snaps than others. But I
just look at the way that the different personnel groups
have been illustrated and have kind of unfolded organically with
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our defense, and you know, Chris and the defensive coach
is doing a great job, and you kind of we've
charged the offense to kind of do the same, and
I think Mike and the offensive coaching staff has done
a really good job with that.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I know you're not surprised with the outcomes on Sunday
because of what you're seeing out here on the grass
in the course of the week. Does that does that
go hand in hand in terms of I'm sure you're
getting better practice reps because it's human nature when you
anticipate a Sunday opportunity hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I think the guys are leaning in.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
You know, anybody that's great at what they do, they
understand that the practice preparation and the practice performance and
really having the courage to really push yourself past those
manageable expectations, but also really lean into it and really
understand that this is going to help create a quieted
mind and the confidence that's earned. And there's inevitably always
things that we have to adjust to during the game,
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but I think our guys have really understood the importance
of that because different than other leagues, we don't have
the luxury of using games as an opportunity to be
able to really improve. You know, you certainly do use that,
but you know, when you play eighty two or one
hundred and sixty two games, you can use some of
those games as opportunities to be able to learn on
the fly. Well, when you play seventeen and the stakes
are high, you better figure out other opportunities to be
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able to get better, especially with the nature of how
physical our game is, the way that we're restricted in
terms of some of the sports performance elements, and that's
been a huge component for I think a lot of
the success and a lot of the improvement that we've
seen for our football team that's been really reflected in
the last month of the season.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
You know, Terrence is just one example of that. But
I think he's illustrative. We're at the point now where
you're shot calling plays for t ferg on the opening
snap of the game. What happened to the guy who's
a healthy scratch?
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Yeah. I think what he's done is just continue to work,
and there was always a confidence in him, and you know,
you just never know throughout the course of a season.
Guys are going to get their opportun tunities, and usually
it's going to be earned, and then sometimes it just
organically works itself out.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
But he's a guy that's just.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Stayed humble, he's worked in the background. There was never
a loss of confidence. It was really just Okay, how
do we figure out, you know, what is the offensive identity?
How do we maximize his skill set. I do think
there was something to be said for some of the
time that he missed in camp that you know, you
just get a little bit behind and then you're kind
of getting your feet wet again. But I've been really
pleased with him I think he's just shown why he's
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only going to continue to get better. And I think
you could see that reflected in really that three play
sequence where try to hit him early on, you know,
just miss him on a great ball down the field,
end up hitting Pook on the screen, and then come
back to him and he makes a big play on
an explosive that leads to you know, Kiren getting his
second touchdown of the day.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I think that tells a story there. At one point
he's three targets, no catches, and then another parallel universe.
That's the end of that day Tans right then. But
you go back to him for that big play.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
You know.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
He was our guest on our Player show last week
and he said something pretty cool. He said he'd rather
get water for his teammates here and win with this team,
the Rams, and get a whole bunch of starting opportunities
with the team that's struggling. And that's the time on task,
his practice squad reps or his scout team reps excuse me,
which he's never done before. Yeah, are against your ones, yep.
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On defense, and that time against the edge of defenders,
against Q against other players prepared him for the shot
you gain, there's no.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Question, and I'll be honest with you too.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
A lot of the stuff that he showed where he
made those guys better. You're saying, how dumb am I
to not figure out ways to get this guy involved,
you know, when he's capable of doing, and a lot
of the things that kind of were unfolding on the
scout team where he's making plays and you can't help
but notice him. You're saying, well, shoot man, why don't
we put some of those plays in? And he started
to bring those things to life and the opportunities that
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you've seen, And it's a cool reflection of a guy
that has a lot of trust in his face, a
lot of trust in his teammates and his surrounding parts
to stay patient and I think the best is yet
to come. He's kind an incredibly bright future. And more importantly,
I really love the you know, the character of the
human being.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yeah, let's use that as a jumping off point for
our film Breakdown this Week, presented by Microsoft Surface Copilot
plus PC, where every day is game day and I
love your phrase. It's something the effective straining through the
echo of the whistle on every play, right, So I
picked out a couple of ones that maybe illustrate that,
and we've slammed it towards offense. So we'll start with defense here. Okay,
first quarter, it's a fourteen point lead, but San Francisco
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is driving, and what should have been could have been
a first down completion of Juwan Jennys turns into a
Rams takeaway. As Cam Curl and Nate Lambman converged, how
did you see that play?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Unbelievable job of playing through the echo of the whistle.
It's about the finish of the cycle of the snap.
Great job by Q to be able to knock back,
you know, McCaffrey. But then you talk about intentionality and
an unbelievable intent to be able to attack at the
football with the.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Ball mindset, you know Landman.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Just some people have a great knack and I think
his approach to it has rubbed off on the rest
of the group.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
But they've got a good play.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Hey, what's the finish of the cycle the snap looked like,
great job by cam Curl. It's the second week in
a row, Cam Curle gets somebody stood up, allows for
an attempt at the ball without sacrificing the tackle.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
You know, and then ultimately.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Ktch you know, he's got some juice. I thought he
was going to come out of this thing. But he's
an exciting player. But you know, these were game changing
types of plays, and those turnovers to get too, we
needed them, you know, and they come in bunches.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
But you know, the ball mindset this is awesome.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
And you know, his accuracy to be able to you know,
get you know, to be able to you know, get
the knuckles on leather if you will, is a big
part of why when that ball goes out, I mean
it is popping out big time, and I mean you
just look at it.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
It's t is sick. I love it.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
You know. Before we get to the offensive one, I
wonder if yesterday was in any way a step back
from the standard that the defense has set when you
look at like six and a half yards per play
or twenty six points or is there more nuance including
plays like that to it?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
There's big time nuances. And here's what I will tell
you too.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I've always thought, you know, you know how highly I
think of you know, Kyle. Their operation that is an
impressive offensive operation. Ball comes out quickly. They stress you
in a lot of ways. They've got great skill. You know,
they were earning a lot of the great plays that
they did have, and that's what I think. Sometimes you say,
get back in the huddle and play the next snap.
I thought they made some great individual plays that if
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you're really just saying, let me look at it through
a holistic view. Of course, we have high standards for
our guys. I'll never apologize for that, and they'll be
the first to tell you they expect to play better.
But then I also think you have to be able
to give yourself some grace and acknowledge that pretty high
level execution. I thought we knocked out the run really
well against a very physical opponent. The only time that
it felt like we got a little leaky was in
the first drive of the second half. But we've been
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stout against the run. And then I thought a lot
of the completions they.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Were hard earned.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
But hey, you get two timely turnovers, the one that
you just showed, you know, and then the fourth down
stop where Forbes gets another interception. And it was a
really cool job of a lot of the things that
Aubrey and his group had worked on in practice, being
able to come to life with some different things that
we can activate coverage wise within the tools and some
of the looks that they present.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
And you know, I love this group.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
I love the way they play off on one another,
and I'm excited about the resolve and the ability to
be able to attack this week, knowing what a great
challenge against an excellent Seattle offense. But I do think
you have to give san Fran their credit, you know,
making a lot of the things happen, and you know,
whether it was Mac or some of their you know,
tight window catches with some of the skill they have,
you know, I got respect for them.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
You want to talk about great individual efforts. How about
Pooka's fourth down conversion. This is in a one score
game deep in the third quarter.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Shown, Hey, this was awesome.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
You know, he got it on the initial catch and
then he kind of went backwards and then made it
look like an unbelievable deal. But I just thought, you know,
the clarity the communication right here, and then you know
the accuracy of the location playing a man coverage right here.
But you know, this guy is he's as tough as
it gets and he is a freaking warrior, you know,
I mean, look at our center even trying to cap
off on that. He reads out of it after he's
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and drop back, you know, and then he goes to
try to be able to push the pile. But good location,
you know, it's good coverage by Green right there, but uh,
just so strong at the point of attack. And this
was a key and critical play. He's a freaking war daddy.
I love this guy.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
So he went for fourth and three there. It would
have been what like a forty five forty six yard
field goal or so, which kind of leads us to
the kicking game. How did the thicker kicker?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
The thicker kicker did good? Man, he was six for six.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I thought, really overall, you know, I was pleased, you know.
I thought Jake and both you know Meavis did a
really nice job. And I think, you know, I think
Ethan is getting better and better as a holder. I
thought our protection, the timing, the immediate lift, and ultimately
you know, six for six on the extra points. So
I like his demeanor, I like his disposition.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
I thought he handled himself well.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
And like I mentioned to you guys, you know, and
like you and I talked about, I still believe that
we have two quality kickers on our roster, you know,
and Meavs is continuing to prove it, but did a
great job. Still have a lot of belief in Josh Cardy,
but you know, Meavs will be the guy. And you know,
and we wish Alex were the best too. You know,
you talk about a guy that made a lot of
great contributions, couldn't think higher of him as a person,
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which is more important than anything else. And you know,
we'll move forward with Jake McQuaid as our long snapper
the rest of the way and then you know, we've
got two kickers on the roster. Meavs will get the
opportunity to continue on against Seattle this week.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
But you know, Josh is going to do his thing
about you know, just.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Being able to continuously move forward and been incredibly impressed
with just, you know, the way that he's handled, you know,
a challenging situation.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I think that says a lot about him as well.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
All right, let's get to the Seahawks, not in any
specificity because I know you haven't done your work on
them yet, but both teams have not trailed since early
in week six. Both teams had mirrored buys. They're on
a winning streak. It's just a great matchup. Like you said,
so far has a chance to really impact and influence
this game. I'd love to learn if I'm able to,
I'm going to try and take you down the road.
If it's good, great, If not, we can bail out
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of it. But the current offensive movement in the league
seems to be and the Seahawks epitomize this, presenting heavy
personnel to get based defenses on the field that you
can attack through the air. Lots of the great offenses
are doing it now Rams seem to be doing it too.
Is that like a macro accurate assessment of the offense?
Speaker 3 (16:46):
I think on the flip side too, if you want
to go lighter groupings and you better be able to
run it, you know, And so I think you know,
if you have the ability to be able to list
it and dictate the terms, you know, it's no different
than you show me a good offense, I'll show you
a team that can run it or throw it. And
then there's still is an element of all right, you
know you're playing eleven on eleven out of you change
the math in your favor, because if you try to
commit to one thing, you open up you know some
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other opportunities and do you have the ability to expose
those voids or vacancies when you are changing the math
no different than the pen gets in the defens's hand
in some of these you know, you know non fifty
to fifty downs and.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
So that's where the answer is yes.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
But I think the you know, the other side of
the equation is all right, you might be able to
get you know, some heavier guys out there, but if
they do want to go lighter grouping, so you better
be able to mash them.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
In the run.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
And I think that's what's been cool about what our
group's been able to do, is you want to go light,
then we can play big ball on you, and then
if you want to go heavy, then you can go
either or uh. But that's that's the same in a
lot of instances. But I think it's an accurate assessment
on your part without a doubt.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Well let me take the baton then and look at
it through the defensive lens. Right? Could I oversimplify this
Sunday at so far by saying whoever can hang in
in sub packages and play those looks defensively and staced
out against the run will have an advantage.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yeah, you know, I think absolutely, I think that it's
a key factor. And I think really it's going to
be about, you know, a one play at a time.
Who has the competitive standina to be able to strain
through the echo of the whistle, to be able to
you know, act, interact and respond accordingly from one snap
to the next. And I love the way that our
group's done that, you know, but how do we really.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Play team football?
Speaker 3 (18:16):
What's the way that we want to put together all
three phases to ultimately come out with the result and
control the controllables, understand the things that they're trying to
do and take that away and then vice versa. But
you know what I've seen from Afar and when we've
crossed over with this team, this is a damn good
team and they are complete. They're excellent in all three phases.
You know, I'm seeing a team that can stop the run,
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that can.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Defend the pass.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
They obviously I got a ton of respect for Mike
McDonald and what they do, and their personnel is real.
On the offensive side of the ball. What a job
that Kubiak's done. Donald's playing at a high clip. You
look at in Jigba Smith, we already know. You know,
I saw Cooper at a big time long catch. They
look like they were able to establish the run. I
think they were just shy at two hundred yards yesterday
running the football, which shows that they can do either or.
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And then they're kicking game has been, you know, really good.
You know, they're one of the upper etional on special
teams units. They do a lot of things tactically with
Harball leading the way. And you know this is what
you love, man, You know, this is this is what
the NFL requires. You know, do you have the competitive stamina?
What a great win by our group and now you
enjoyed it. And now here we are on to the
next one. And I'm fired up about getting started with
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this prep to try to get after this group.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
And they didn't do the conventional thing this offseason. I mean,
there may be one play against you guys in overtime
away from being in that seat right wearing the crown
going to the playoffs, and I know you appreciate that
that didn't stop them from making a bold stroke and
doing the hard things. Changing quarterback, trading away a franchise receiver,
changing a coordinator, and I think a lot of people
doubted what they were up to this offseason, but the
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proof is there.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Yeah, And I think, you know, I've always had a
ton of respect for John Snyder and you know, getting
to know Mike a little bit more over the years.
You know, I think, you know, fortune favors the brave.
You know, you got to have courageous you know, you
got to have clarity and courage and the appropriate humility
to make the decisions. And I think in a lot
of those things there was the there was a clarity
and a conviction and the things that they did, and
the courage to really say, I'm not gonna let the
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outside narratives elicit or dictate what we think is best
for our football team. I got respect for it. I'd
like to think that's what we do here. You know,
we're always trying to evolve and grow. But you know
it's there's nothing but respect and you know, and there's
gonna be it's gonna be fun.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
A lighter note, what do you think of Midnight Mode?
Have you seen the black jersey?
Speaker 3 (20:24):
I've seen those those little clean those guys. Is that
are we wearing them this week?
Speaker 1 (20:28):
That's this week?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Well, then we better make them count it's.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Not going to change your attire though, right.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Will not change my attire.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
The less decisions that I have to make, I'm like
automated in my decisions my brain.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
I'm too dumb to be able to process too many things.
So the more automated that I can make.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
A lot of the decisions, the better for my simpleton mindset.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
And you want to talk about simpletons. I didn't understand
half the things you just said, so I'll let you
get back to doing the big brain stuff. And thanks
for sitting with me.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Appreciate you always.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Man all right. For Sean McVay, I'm JB. Long. Thank
you for joining us for the Coach Nickfase Show presented
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Time for the best records in the NFC at seven
and two and the more you win, the bigger the stakes.
Get it. It comes a really big week for the
Los Angeles Rams.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yeah, you know, and I've seen these guys from Afar.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
We've crossed over with some of their film and you've
seen what a great complete team that they are. And
you know, I'm looking forward to diving into this preparation.
But this is what you love every single week. You know,
whether it was a great team in the Niners yesterday,
it was really proud of the way that our group
handled that.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
But you just got to stack days, one day at
a time. I love the humility.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I love that the team understands that their confidence comes
from the work. No words, like we've talked about in
previous weeks. And what a great opportunity to be back
at so far. I expect a great atmosphere and environment,
but I'm looking forward for us to be able to
take a step. But what a great challenge is what
you love about this league?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
No doubt. Don't know if it was true across word,
but I thought we could start up front. When you
looked at the tape collectively, was that one of the
better days the offensive line has had this?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I thought it was.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
And I think the best part about it is is
that what the players, the coaches, you know, they's still
room for growth, you know. And I think that's a
really cool thing is that, Man, there's a lot of positives,
but where are there opportunities if we're really just taking accountability,
whether that's us as coaches or whether that's the players,
to say, all right, hey do I have a little
bit more? Can I consistently do the little things the
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right way from snap to whistle with the way that
I'm straining for a full sixty minutes or a full
sixty players or whatever it requires. But I was really
pleased with the way that we set the tone with
the line of scrimmage, you know, And I think we've
done that really on both sides of the football. But
I thought our offensive line, our tight ends, our receivers,
everybody that was a part of the blocking surface. I
was really pleased with yesterday against you know, a team
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that obviously they play really hard, they're really well coached.
You know, they've obviously they're missing some key players, but
they still have been a really good, productive, tough defense,
and I was proud of the way that our guys
set the tone.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
How contagious is the confidence that Matthew's playing with right now?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
I think it is, you know, I think you know,
I've been asked about it a little bit, and I think,
you know, when you think of Matthew Stafford, you think
of toughness, and I think of enjoyment, and I think
in a lot of instances, those things have kind of
become the identity of this football team, where they take
on a lot of the good traits that their leader possesses,
and he's he does it so seamlessly. He's got an
incredible just amount of you know, wisdom but also just
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eq in terms of how to be able to impart
his wisdom on guys but also have his personality kind
of rub off on them. And I think I think
it's a tremendous part of the confidence that our group's
playing with, starting with the guy at the switch.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
In addition to his precision what are some of the
other ingredients that have led to this red zone turnaround
mid season.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Well, I think, you know, I think there's a couple
of things that I would attribute to it. You know,
number one, it's his precision like you're talking about, but
it's also I mean, the most consistent thing you've seen
that's led to a bunch of these scores is you know,
Devonte's winning.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
One on one matchups.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
You know, we're able to It was great to be
able to get a couple rushing touchdowns yesterday. I thought
the surfaces of the way those runs were blocked, we're excellent.
Kirroen is able to press, sit and be able to
punch it in and then you know some different things
that you can create off of that. But it's a
team effort. It's the execution. But I've been you know,
it always starts with with the quarterback. But you know,
good offenses in the red zone they can win one
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on ones and they can have the ability to be
able to run the football, and I think those have
been the consistent things that we've seen show up. And
obviously that requires a quarterback to put the ball on
the spots that he wants when there's no vertical grass.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Are you going to find your quarterback for leaving you
hanging on that last touchdown?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
He did leave me hanging, didn't he?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Did?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
You see that? Though a little bit used to that,
I mean, I'm used to it. Man. It happens.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Everybody gets so excited. I come in there for a
good high five, or I go down in the front
pile on. Everybody just ignores me. I'm just a lonely guy.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
You mentioned Devane there. It's early in the week. Any
update on him or how.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
His haven't had any updates yet. You know, I know
his mind sentimentality. He's going to do everything in his
power to be ready to go. Haven't had a chance
to get with Reggie and those guys. But I'll be
surprised if if our guy doesn't make it to next week.
And I know he was optimistic about it after the game,
but you know will ultimately we'll see how he's feeling.
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
One of the reasons I asked is because no team
in the league was as dependent statistically on two individuals
as you guys were on the front end of the
schedule with Pooka and Davante. Now you've missed them for
at least a portion of a game and you haven't
missed a beat. What does that say about where this
offense and where this roster is. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
I think the first thing is is, you know, one
of the things that can sometimes be a blessing in
the skuys that we talked about is how do you
create authentic value for everybody and maximize their skill sets
and by nature of being able to utilize if you've
got a jersey up on game day, if you're one
of those forty eight, how can we maximize it. I
think our defense has done a really good job of that.
And then I think the offense. You know, our guys
on offense have done a really good job. And every
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single week, you know, we're tasked as a coaching staff,
how do we maximize our players' skill sets? How do
we put them in situations to give them successful outcomes?
And then you take into consideration the opponent and the
scheme that we're going against.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
But the more that.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
You have to defend, the more eligibles that get in involved.
In the past game, I love the way Matthews spreading
the football round and he's just taking what the defense
gives him and Oh, by the way, you have the
luxury of having two premier players like Davontae and Pooka,
But we got a lot of damn good football players
on this offense, and those guys are starting to show why.
You know, it is about the totality of the unit.
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I think Matthew's doing a great job of getting a
bunch of people involved. Like we were just talking as
an offensive staff, one of my favorite things is is
when you're using everybody. The most snaps that an offensive
skilled player played yesterday was thirty nine. Kyron and Kolbe
both played thirty nine snaps. But you know you're talking
about Davontae and Pooker in that just you know that
upper thirties area most of our tight ends are, and
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you know, and the backs you know, Corm ended up
getting close to thirty snaps. Is it's a good thing
where you're taking advantage of the collective and the depth.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Like you mentioned, so you're not pitch counting anyone, but
do you feel like you're getting maximum value out of
those reps because they're fresher and en.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
No question about it, you know, And I think ultimately
our job as an offense is to be able to
move the ball and score points. And I think that
being able to have this type of approach where it
is about the unit and the collective has been has
been favorable for us, you know, and we'll continue to see.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
If we can build on that.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
But I love the way the guys have done a
great job of embracing and understanding it. And I think
it's a combination of, you know, the players bring it
to life, but I think the coaches are doing a
really good job communicating, providing clarity for what's to be
expected within the framework of each of their roles.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
You've referenced yesterday and again just now. The defense kind
of inspiring you. Yeah, and I wonder if you can
elaborate on that experience of winning being richer because everyone
who has a helmet has a hand in it.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yeah, and I kind of mentioned this in my post
game you know. You know, my dad's had such a
big influence on me.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
JB.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
He's one of the greatest leaders I've ever seen, and
we often talk about, all right, well, how do you
create authentic buy in?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
How do you create cultures?
Speaker 3 (06:45):
You know, And it always is about and always has been,
always will be no matter what it's about the people.
But the biggest thing is is you know everybody throws
out the phrase everybody loves being a part of something
bigger than themselves.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Well, your job and our.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Job as a leader, as leaders is to be able
to say yes. But how do we make sure that
they understand that their role contributes it is important to
where we're going. How do you authentically create value for people,
find an opportunity for them to be maximized. Some people
are going to play less snaps than others. But I
just look at the way that the different personnel groups
have been illustrated and have kind of unfolded organically with
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our defense, and you know, Chris and the defensive coach
is doing a great job, and you kind of we've
charged the offense to kind of do the same, and
I think Mike and the offensive coaching staff has done
a really good job with that.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I know you're not surprised with the outcomes on Sunday
because of what you're seeing out here on the grass
in the course of the week. Does that does that
go hand in hand in terms of I'm sure you're
getting better practice reps because it's human nature when you
anticipate a Sunday opportunity hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I think the guys are leaning in.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
You know, anybody that's great at what they do, they
understand that the practice preparation and the practice performance and
really having the courage to really push yourself past those
manageable expectations, but also really lean into it and really
understand that this is going to help create a quieted
mind and the confidence that's earned. And there's inevitably always
things that we have to adjust to during the game,
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but I think our guys have really understood the importance
of that because different than other leagues, we don't have
the luxury of using games as an opportunity to be
able to really improve. You know, you certainly do use that,
but you know, when you play eighty two or one
hundred and sixty two games, you can use some of
those games as opportunities to be able to learn on
the fly. Well, when you play seventeen and the stakes
are high, you better figure out other opportunities to be
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able to get better, especially with the nature of how
physical our game is, the way that we're restricted in
terms of some of the sports performance elements, and that's
been a huge component for I think a lot of
the success and a lot of the improvement that we've
seen for our football team that's been really reflected in
the last month of the season.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
You know, Terrence is just one example of that. But
I think he's illustrative. We're at the point now where
you're shot calling plays for t ferg on the opening
snap of the game. What happened to the guy who's
a healthy scratch?
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Yeah. I think what he's done is just continue to work,
and there was always a confidence in him, and you know,
you just never know throughout the course of a season.
Guys are going to get their opportun tunities, and usually
it's going to be earned, and then sometimes it just
organically works itself out.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
But he's a guy that's just.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Stayed humble, he's worked in the background. There was never
a loss of confidence. It was really just Okay, how
do we figure out, you know, what is the offensive identity?
How do we maximize his skill set. I do think
there was something to be said for some of the
time that he missed in camp that you know, you
just get a little bit behind and then you're kind
of getting your feet wet again. But I've been really
pleased with him I think he's just shown why he's
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only going to continue to get better. And I think
you could see that reflected in really that three play
sequence where try to hit him early on, you know,
just miss him on a great ball down the field,
end up hitting Pook on the screen, and then come
back to him and he makes a big play on
an explosive that leads to you know, Kiren getting his
second touchdown of the day.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I think that tells a story there. At one point
he's three targets, no catches, and then another parallel universe.
That's the end of that day Tans right then. But
you go back to him for that big play.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
You know.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
He was our guest on our Player show last week
and he said something pretty cool. He said he'd rather
get water for his teammates here and win with this team,
the Rams, and get a whole bunch of starting opportunities
with the team that's struggling. And that's the time on task,
his practice squad reps or his scout team reps excuse me,
which he's never done before. Yeah, are against your ones, yep.
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On defense, and that time against the edge of defenders,
against Q against other players prepared him for the shot
you gain, there's no.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Question, and I'll be honest with you too.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
A lot of the stuff that he showed where he
made those guys better. You're saying, how dumb am I
to not figure out ways to get this guy involved,
you know, when he's capable of doing, and a lot
of the things that kind of were unfolding on the
scout team where he's making plays and you can't help
but notice him. You're saying, well, shoot man, why don't
we put some of those plays in? And he started
to bring those things to life and the opportunities that
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you've seen, And it's a cool reflection of a guy
that has a lot of trust in his face, a
lot of trust in his teammates and his surrounding parts
to stay patient and I think the best is yet
to come. He's kind an incredibly bright future. And more importantly,
I really love the you know, the character of the
human being.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yeah, let's use that as a jumping off point for
our film Breakdown this Week, presented by Microsoft Surface Copilot
plus PC, where every day is game day and I
love your phrase. It's something the effective straining through the
echo of the whistle on every play, right, So I
picked out a couple of ones that maybe illustrate that,
and we've slammed it towards offense. So we'll start with defense here. Okay,
first quarter, it's a fourteen point lead, but San Francisco
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is driving, and what should have been could have been
a first down completion of Juwan Jennys turns into a
Rams takeaway. As Cam Curl and Nate Lambman converged, how
did you see that play?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Unbelievable job of playing through the echo of the whistle.
It's about the finish of the cycle of the snap.
Great job by Q to be able to knock back,
you know, McCaffrey. But then you talk about intentionality and
an unbelievable intent to be able to attack at the
football with the.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Ball mindset, you know Landman.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Just some people have a great knack and I think
his approach to it has rubbed off on the rest
of the group.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
But they've got a good play.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Hey, what's the finish of the cycle the snap looked like,
great job by cam Curl. It's the second week in
a row, Cam Curle gets somebody stood up, allows for
an attempt at the ball without sacrificing the tackle.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
You know, and then ultimately.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Ktch you know, he's got some juice. I thought he
was going to come out of this thing. But he's
an exciting player. But you know, these were game changing
types of plays, and those turnovers to get too, we
needed them, you know, and they come in bunches.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
But you know, the ball mindset this is awesome.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
And you know, his accuracy to be able to you know,
get you know, to be able to you know, get
the knuckles on leather if you will, is a big
part of why when that ball goes out, I mean
it is popping out big time, and I mean you
just look at it.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
It's t is sick. I love it.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
You know. Before we get to the offensive one, I
wonder if yesterday was in any way a step back
from the standard that the defense has set when you
look at like six and a half yards per play
or twenty six points or is there more nuance including
plays like that to it?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
There's big time nuances. And here's what I will tell
you too.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I've always thought, you know, you know how highly I
think of you know, Kyle. Their operation that is an
impressive offensive operation. Ball comes out quickly. They stress you
in a lot of ways. They've got great skill. You know,
they were earning a lot of the great plays that
they did have, and that's what I think. Sometimes you say,
get back in the huddle and play the next snap.
I thought they made some great individual plays that if
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you're really just saying, let me look at it through
a holistic view. Of course, we have high standards for
our guys. I'll never apologize for that, and they'll be
the first to tell you they expect to play better.
But then I also think you have to be able
to give yourself some grace and acknowledge that pretty high
level execution. I thought we knocked out the run really
well against a very physical opponent. The only time that
it felt like we got a little leaky was in
the first drive of the second half. But we've been
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stout against the run. And then I thought a lot
of the completions they.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Were hard earned.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
But hey, you get two timely turnovers, the one that
you just showed, you know, and then the fourth down
stop where Forbes gets another interception. And it was a
really cool job of a lot of the things that
Aubrey and his group had worked on in practice, being
able to come to life with some different things that
we can activate coverage wise within the tools and some
of the looks that they present.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
And you know, I love this group.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
I love the way they play off on one another,
and I'm excited about the resolve and the ability to
be able to attack this week, knowing what a great
challenge against an excellent Seattle offense. But I do think
you have to give san Fran their credit, you know,
making a lot of the things happen, and you know,
whether it was Mac or some of their you know,
tight window catches with some of the skill they have,
you know, I got respect for them.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
You want to talk about great individual efforts. How about
Pooka's fourth down conversion. This is in a one score
game deep in the third quarter.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Shown, Hey, this was awesome.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
You know, he got it on the initial catch and
then he kind of went backwards and then made it
look like an unbelievable deal. But I just thought, you know,
the clarity the communication right here, and then you know
the accuracy of the location playing a man coverage right here.
But you know, this guy is he's as tough as
it gets and he is a freaking warrior, you know,
I mean, look at our center even trying to cap
off on that. He reads out of it after he's
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and drop back, you know, and then he goes to
try to be able to push the pile. But good location,
you know, it's good coverage by Green right there, but uh,
just so strong at the point of attack. And this
was a key and critical play. He's a freaking war daddy.
I love this guy.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
So he went for fourth and three there. It would
have been what like a forty five forty six yard
field goal or so, which kind of leads us to
the kicking game. How did the thicker kicker?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
The thicker kicker did good? Man, he was six for six.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I thought, really overall, you know, I was pleased, you know.
I thought Jake and both you know Meavis did a
really nice job. And I think, you know, I think
Ethan is getting better and better as a holder. I
thought our protection, the timing, the immediate lift, and ultimately
you know, six for six on the extra points. So
I like his demeanor, I like his disposition.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
I thought he handled himself well.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
And like I mentioned to you guys, you know, and
like you and I talked about, I still believe that
we have two quality kickers on our roster, you know,
and Meavs is continuing to prove it, but did a
great job. Still have a lot of belief in Josh Cardy,
but you know, Meavs will be the guy. And you know,
and we wish Alex were the best too. You know,
you talk about a guy that made a lot of
great contributions, couldn't think higher of him as a person,
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which is more important than anything else. And you know,
we'll move forward with Jake McQuaid as our long snapper
the rest of the way and then you know, we've
got two kickers on the roster. Meavs will get the
opportunity to continue on against Seattle this week.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
But you know, Josh is going to do his thing
about you know, just.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Being able to continuously move forward and been incredibly impressed
with just, you know, the way that he's handled, you know,
a challenging situation.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I think that says a lot about him as well.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
All right, let's get to the Seahawks, not in any
specificity because I know you haven't done your work on
them yet, but both teams have not trailed since early
in week six. Both teams had mirrored buys. They're on
a winning streak. It's just a great matchup. Like you said,
so far has a chance to really impact and influence
this game. I'd love to learn if I'm able to,
I'm going to try and take you down the road.
If it's good, great, If not, we can bail out
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of it. But the current offensive movement in the league
seems to be and the Seahawks epitomize this, presenting heavy
personnel to get based defenses on the field that you
can attack through the air. Lots of the great offenses
are doing it now Rams seem to be doing it too.
Is that like a macro accurate assessment of the offense?
Speaker 3 (16:46):
I think on the flip side too, if you want
to go lighter groupings and you better be able to
run it, you know, And so I think you know,
if you have the ability to be able to list
it and dictate the terms, you know, it's no different
than you show me a good offense, I'll show you
a team that can run it or throw it. And
then there's still is an element of all right, you
know you're playing eleven on eleven out of you change
the math in your favor, because if you try to
commit to one thing, you open up you know some
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other opportunities and do you have the ability to expose
those voids or vacancies when you are changing the math
no different than the pen gets in the defens's hand
in some of these you know, you know non fifty
to fifty downs and.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
So that's where the answer is yes.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
But I think the you know, the other side of
the equation is all right, you might be able to
get you know, some heavier guys out there, but if
they do want to go lighter grouping, so you better
be able to mash them.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
In the run.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
And I think that's what's been cool about what our
group's been able to do, is you want to go light,
then we can play big ball on you, and then
if you want to go heavy, then you can go
either or uh. But that's that's the same in a
lot of instances. But I think it's an accurate assessment
on your part without a doubt.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Well let me take the baton then and look at
it through the defensive lens. Right? Could I oversimplify this
Sunday at so far by saying whoever can hang in
in sub packages and play those looks defensively and staced
out against the run will have an advantage.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yeah, you know, I think absolutely, I think that it's
a key factor. And I think really it's going to
be about, you know, a one play at a time.
Who has the competitive standina to be able to strain
through the echo of the whistle, to be able to
you know, act, interact and respond accordingly from one snap
to the next. And I love the way that our
group's done that, you know, but how do we really.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Play team football?
Speaker 3 (18:16):
What's the way that we want to put together all
three phases to ultimately come out with the result and
control the controllables, understand the things that they're trying to
do and take that away and then vice versa. But
you know what I've seen from Afar and when we've
crossed over with this team, this is a damn good
team and they are complete. They're excellent in all three phases.
You know, I'm seeing a team that can stop the run,
(18:37):
that can.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Defend the pass.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
They obviously I got a ton of respect for Mike
McDonald and what they do, and their personnel is real.
On the offensive side of the ball. What a job
that Kubiak's done. Donald's playing at a high clip. You
look at in Jigba Smith, we already know. You know,
I saw Cooper at a big time long catch. They
look like they were able to establish the run. I
think they were just shy at two hundred yards yesterday
running the football, which shows that they can do either or.
(18:59):
And then they're kicking game has been, you know, really good.
You know, they're one of the upper etional on special
teams units. They do a lot of things tactically with
Harball leading the way. And you know this is what
you love, man, You know, this is this is what
the NFL requires. You know, do you have the competitive stamina?
What a great win by our group and now you
enjoyed it. And now here we are on to the
next one. And I'm fired up about getting started with
(19:20):
this prep to try to get after this group.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
And they didn't do the conventional thing this offseason. I mean,
there may be one play against you guys in overtime
away from being in that seat right wearing the crown
going to the playoffs, and I know you appreciate that
that didn't stop them from making a bold stroke and
doing the hard things. Changing quarterback, trading away a franchise receiver,
changing a coordinator, and I think a lot of people
doubted what they were up to this offseason, but the
(19:42):
proof is there.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Yeah, And I think, you know, I've always had a
ton of respect for John Snyder and you know, getting
to know Mike a little bit more over the years.
You know, I think, you know, fortune favors the brave.
You know, you got to have courageous you know, you
got to have clarity and courage and the appropriate humility
to make the decisions. And I think in a lot
of those things there was the there was a clarity
and a conviction and the things that they did, and
the courage to really say, I'm not gonna let the
(20:04):
outside narratives elicit or dictate what we think is best
for our football team. I got respect for it. I'd
like to think that's what we do here. You know,
we're always trying to evolve and grow. But you know
it's there's nothing but respect and you know, and there's
gonna be it's gonna be fun.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
A lighter note, what do you think of Midnight Mode?
Have you seen the black jersey?
Speaker 3 (20:24):
I've seen those those little clean those guys. Is that
are we wearing them this week?
Speaker 1 (20:28):
That's this week?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Well, then we better make them count it's.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Not going to change your attire though, right.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Will not change my attire.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
The less decisions that I have to make, I'm like
automated in my decisions my brain.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
I'm too dumb to be able to process too many things.
So the more automated that I can make.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
A lot of the decisions, the better for my simpleton mindset.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
And you want to talk about simpletons. I didn't understand
half the things you just said, so I'll let you
get back to doing the big brain stuff. And thanks
for sitting with me.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Appreciate you always.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Man all right. For Sean McVay, I'm JB. Long. Thank
you for joining us for the Coach Nickfase Show presented
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