Jason Taylor: I’m About to do Something Amazing

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're now diving drandma been that pick straight?

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Who that Seth? Oh Jay?

Speaker 3 (00:16):
And this is strictly but I'm a true number one
of course.

Speaker 4 (00:21):
Y'all, Just and other never sports talk.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Welcome back to the Fish Tank, presented by iHeartRadio right
here on the Miami Dolphins Podcast Network, Seth Lovett and
the man with the best hands in the podcast business, Juice.
Things are getting a little heated. We haven't even pressed
record yet. And this is what happens when you make
a guest wait five years before he comes back on
as if he was making to come back.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
Right right, Seth, you know what, It's never gonna change, man.
That's that's that's the love love man, you know. And
this guy here though, Man, this is one of my
favorites of all time, Bro, and you know this because
we talked about it a lot. Always have my back, man,
A tough get and a great get. I just what
I really want to ask him for, though, is if
I can get a couple of basketballs back into my yard,

(01:08):
beddy kicking to my neighbor's yard.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
But other than that, though, Man, we're good. We're golden
right now. Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
I don't know if is still good on those things
at this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, they might have a little bubble on the side
of it.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Guaranteed they do warn out for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
So funny, Well you said we're golden. We're definitely golden
because this man is wrapped in goal. Is actually the
first Hall of Famer we ever had on the fish
Tank and kicked off. It's crazy. It was twenty nineteen.
J T twenty nineteen, you kicked off our second season
ever in the fish Tank. That's how long ago it was.
I don't even think we were on the Dolphins Podcast
network at that point. I hope you're not like bookending us.

(01:44):
I hope you're not shutting down the fish Tank after
this episode as well. But Jason Taylor is back in
the fish tank.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
I appreciate you joining us.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
It is my players, guys. It's been a while. I
realized it was twenty nineteen. Yeah, a lot has changed
in the world since there. We all got lock up
at home for a while. Things have changed. We all
got a little older, little grayer, lost a little more hair.
You too think y'all slick wearing hats to cover it up.
But I'm gonna go ahead and expose my receiving hairline.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
Oh yeah, you got a whole your natural, man, you
got phone your natural.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, that's why I propped my computer up so I
can get this angle, you know, the lean forward to
talk to y'all. But no, listen. It is a it's
always great to be on with you guys. I know
it's been a minute, but as you guys probably know,
and I'll tell you, I am a big fan of
the Fish team, and I do a lot of a
lot of traveling and driving and flying and all kind
of stuff. So I've been through a lot of episodes.
You guys do a phenomenal, phenomenal job. I mean capturing

(02:37):
stories of our franchise obviously, but even guys outside that
have played elsewhere, different perspectives, some fun, some serious. Sometimes
you damn near being tears from from a serious story
and also from my laugh. So I think it's phenomenal.
I think it's scalable. I think you should be You
guys should be doing all thirty two teams in this league.

(02:57):
And it's uh, you guys got a knack for doing
this ship. It's really enjoyable. It is. I don't listen
to music on the roads. I listened to. I listened
to Fish Tank. I listened to some some things from
uh you know, it's like some Kirby Smart talks. Nick
Saban talks stuff like that. Yeah, I'm kind of a nerd,
but fish Tank is always there. And you guys for
kudos to you guys and give you your flower. You
guys do a hell of a job. Keep it up.

(03:18):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
We're gonna touch on that some, I'm sure, because we
know that you're a fan of show because we made you.
We had, we forced you to be a fan of show.
But once we got you in, now you now you
you're stuck with us, right.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
I love it, yep.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
I need I needed him to be now a great line,
great movie. I needed him to be a fan just
because I'm taking so much damn time off from work.
I had to get approval because otherwise I'd be fired
by now if you didn't like the show.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, thank you, Slick, I knew what you were doing.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
But yeah, we'll definitely dive into that a little bit later.
But all right, you know, here we go. Let's get
a start at JT.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
You know, Nick Saban was just on the Pivot podcast
and it was asked this one question. He's asked, which
one player is fifty years of coaching who impacted him
the most in terms of teaching him something.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
And you know, Channing, our boy, Channing Crowder.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
You know, he was trying to get Neck to say him,
you know, of course Nick being Nick, Nick said it
was said it was you, He said it was you JT.
He basically said that you helped him adapt as an
NFL coach as opposed to a college guy, which is,
you know, you know, it's a whole different world, and
help him overcome problems that the team were facing during
those two years that he was here. So now, I
don't know if he was specifically referring to your tirade

(04:29):
in Cleveland, but how meaningful is it to you, especially
now giving your you know, you're in this coaching profession,
to hear that from a guy who won more national
championships than anybody in college football history.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Well, first of all, in typical Channing crowd or fashion,
he would try to interject himself as that being that person. Now,
I think Nick drafted Channing and O five, so Nick
was with US five and six for those two years.
I've never heard coach Saban called Channing, crowd or Channing.
He always called him Gator. I don't even think he
knew his name. So it obviously wasn't go leave a

(05:02):
man chaining, But no, it was. It was great. I
heard that last week or whatever it was earlier this
week and whenever. And you know, it means a lot,
obviously coming from from the goat. You know, I know
he's not for everybody. Some people down here still have
dislike for him or for whatever because he transferred and
went to a different place like everybody's doing nowadays, right,
you know, But Coach Saber has always been a lot

(05:24):
for me. I love him to death and will forever
respect the hell out of him and learn so much
from him. I became a better player, I became a
better leader. I became a better person in a lot
of ways, and learned a lot of things to do
to make myself better. And I learned some things that
you maybe don't want to do in the future if
you take that same career path or whatnot. So what
he really did was he made me a better leader.

(05:46):
We had very in depth talks about it, where you know,
leadership is lonely sometimes, you know, and you can't always
be the popular guy. You can't always want to be liked,
you know, and not want to be afraid of step
on somebody's toes, and you know, and the and in
sports in particular football and really specifically in that locker room,
the dynamic is you know, Juice and Seth you too.

(06:07):
I mean, you spent a lot of time in those
locker rooms. The dynamic in there is different. You know,
your HR department in your locker room is your leaders,
is your players. The person that waters the culture, you know,
the coach implements the culture, but the people that water
it and grow it and cultivate it are your leaders
and your players. If you don't have strong leadership, you're
going to have issues in your locker room. You know,

(06:28):
we've seen you stories all the time, you know, every
week you see it from different different teams, diferent organizations.
But so Coach Saven helped me understand that, dude, you
got to be disliked sometimes. And I'm like, yeah, it's
easy for you to say because you love being this
like like Eve embraced this, this role of being hated,
but but you know that was that was a challenge

(06:50):
for me and you know, you guys were around for
some avator. You know there was times where I probably
took it a little further than the need to go.
Don't apologize for it. Accept that copy machine and the
soda machines that I broke, But it helped me. It
helped me grow and understand that it was necessary and

(07:10):
it's it's not. Leadership is not always having a talk
and yap and yell at somebody's like that, ain't it.
Sometimes it's kicking somebody in the air. Sometimes it's putting
your arm around them. Most of the time, it's about
picking somebody up and picking them up, whether it be
with your play and it's throughout the course of a game,
or picking them up when they've had to struggle, whether
it be at home, you know, with the wife with

(07:31):
their wife, with their kids, or the young kids now
that I'm coaching, whether it be struggles of moving to
a new place, transitioning to a new environment, learning how
to get up on their own. You know, maybe they're oversleep,
maybe they make some bad decisions off the field. It's
not it's not about throwing people away. It's about picking
them up, dusting them off, not enabling them, not entitling them,

(07:52):
but teaching them and showing them that some of our
greatest lessons in life are from our losses and our
and our adversity. So which really pushed me to do that?
Was there a don was there? Was there a part
of you know, the NFL being different in college? Yeah,
of course you're dealing with different people. You're dealing with
a different athlete. You know, truthfully, a lot of NFL

(08:12):
players have been bullshit at all their lives. You know,
people just blowing smoke up their ass all their lives
and tell them how good they are. And sometimes they
need that, they need to get punched right in the
mouth and learn that this ain't the way, This ain't
the way it's going to work, or this is not
this is not conducive to us winning, or it's conducive
to our culture or environment or as winning or you

(08:32):
being successful in your profession. So I had to do
that sometimes not all the time, but I still, like you,
always wanted to be loved. But he taught me that
you could be loved or you could be respected, or
you could have a combination of both. And if the
guys that love you, if they truly respect you, when
you jump their ass or or say the way it

(08:54):
needs to be, or even correct yourself and let them
see you be self deprecating and correct yourself. It goes
a long way.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
No, You're good man.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
It's great because I love the Nick Saban talk because
I think a lot of people have a misconception of
Nick Saban. And I'm telling you, the best thing that
Nick Saban could have done, in my opinion, was do
game Day this year. I thought he was really really
incredible on college game Day this year. It really showed
a different person personality. We've seen the commercials, and commercials
can be whatever they are, but his true personality came out, man,

(09:24):
and I thought that was that was super. I got
off that hate Nick train after this, you know what
I mean. And also from part of the Pivot interview
where you're talking about is maybe as big as regret
was like taking the job in Miami because he really
wanted to be around kids that he can coach and
mold and things that they were talking about. But I
think that Nick really showed a personality that we didn't
know he had. Bro And you you probably being on

(09:46):
the defense side of ball, especially you guys, probably saw
a lot of this out of Nick compared to what
the rest of us Dolphins actually got a chance to see.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
I agree with you one ndred percent. Him doing game day,
I think open everybody's eyes. Even if you see someone
like Bill Belichick, the good gets out of the hoodie
and puts a suit on or whatever and he talks
football behind the camera, being more casual, you see that
personality side. You see some of the things that you
know why so many people admire coach Belichick. And and
obviously I think, like you said, the commercials are one thing.

(10:15):
What coach coach ain't an actor, a right, so the
commercials ain't the greatest. But but what coach is is
he's an amazing person. He is a great dude. He's
an amazing person. He's a great leader. He's a very
very intelligent person. He's a very high achiever. So that's
some of the things that you know, the mediocre people
will do not blend well with coach Saban and with

(10:36):
a lot of us that are that are high achievers.
It's just that's what drives you nuts. And I think
you know he saw that in this league and someone
and some guys, some guys are just happy to be here,
get a free hat and a T shirt. Some guys
are just looking for the paycheck. Some guys are looking
for the girls. Some guys are looking for the fame. Uh,
but you could to find, you know, the elaite guys.
I'm looking for championships. I think it's it's sometimes easier
or different molding that that culture and environment in the

(10:59):
college setting. You know, he talked about how he made
the mistake and uh, that was his his regret was
leaving college. But you know, I don't want to speak
for him, but I bet there was a component and
I didn't I didn't watch the whole Pivot interview, but
I probably there's probably a component of that where those
two years in Miami made him a better coach. When
he went back to Alabama where he where he really
fell back in love with what his true love was,

(11:20):
right and and look the two years he spent here
with with us in Miami. I would I would do
I would give up a lot to go back and
do that again, because those were two great years for me.
I know people hated him, I know the media didn't
like him. I know people in the building and you know,
he's he was a little rough on some people or whatever?

Speaker 1 (11:38):
How is either Jason Taylor though, come on, broh Man.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Is the only guy in South Florida liked him for
a minute.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
That's all we cared about relationships, right, How how was
my one on one or two? That's all that matters.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
What can you do for me? Make me feel? But yeah,
I mean he was he was great with me. Now
have we did we have? Do we have? Time? Was
where we and butt heads? When we have times where
he was a boss, I was the employee. I understand
that he couldn't do what I did and I couldn't
do what he So there was the mutual respect. You know.

(12:12):
There was a time where I snapped on the field
and during the practice and cussed everybody. If you had
a heartbeat, you were getting cussed out that day. And
I kicked the ball and Charlie was trying to spot
the ball and I threw that bitch up in the
stands and then he went and I'm like, charge, if
you put that ball down, I'm thought that bitch and
the creek over there. I'm telling you now, you know.
And it was it was one of them days, you know,

(12:32):
And I told I'm luckna go too much into it.
But I told everybody I pointed at them first, and
I told them all they were number one and I
wasn't using this finger, and then you know whatever. But
after that, I go inside and stupids like, hey, coach,
coach saving like to see a bunch of you come up.

(12:54):
And I'm like, all right, well you tell him. I'll
be up when i'm done, like when i'm shower and ship,
and I'll get out there when I'm done. And he
and Stu was like standing in my locker and he's like, yeah,
don't you just run up there now. I'm still in
my practice pants and I think I have my soulder
pads off already. Helmet was on the grounds, pissed off.
I still have my cleats on this stuff. I'm like,
stup I appreciate it. I know you're doing your job.

(13:15):
I'll be up when I'm I'm get undressed, I'm gonna
take a damn shower and I'll I'll stop by in
front of a tough guy, right, And he was like
like JT like for for do us all a favor?

Speaker 3 (13:28):
Like yeah, don't make me, that's what he's saying.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
He was like, can you just help me out and
just run up there real quick. Remember I kicked my
shoes and shut off. I go upstairs. Remember that door
to the office, you know, and sitting there, doors open,
you know, I walked. I guess bird had gotten around.
It was a rough day for j T and in
the Miami Dolphins office. So I I walk up and

(13:54):
then it's like she sees he looked like she saw
a ghost. She was like, how are you you're coaching here?
He's like, dah, go ahead and there. So I walk in,
I sit down, sit down. You know them two chairs
in front of the desk, and you know the behind
the desk, you know you see after the practice field,
remember those big windows behind. I know you've all been
in there. So the main desk is behind him. He

(14:17):
got the little screens up, you know. Jimmy used to
look at stocks. Nick was watching film the practice field
was out there, and coach had his feet up, and
I came in and sat down, and I was like, coach,
you want to see me? And he didn't saying word.
He had his feet up. I saw he press pause
in the film stopped, but he let like a player

(14:38):
to go. I'm watching Tom put the play I'm like
sorry whatever, he hit pause. He finally he finally spends
his chair around. He looks at me. He was like,
and it was one of those days where I thought,
this is what he meant when he said like lead
differently he turns around. He was like, all right. First
of all, that shit was awesome. That was awesome. We

(15:00):
needed that, like thinking it a long way. I remember
Jason Garritan like looking at me, like what the hell
going on?

Speaker 3 (15:07):
He was in there, You're saying one, it.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Was, it was, it was bad. It was probably a
bit much, but whatever. So coaches like that was awesome
like that that was that was unbelievable. I was. I
was alive. He's like number two, don't ever do that?
Sit in. I was like all right, man, He's like
you're good. I was like, I'm good. If you good,

(15:31):
He's like I'm good, Like all right, and I got
up the walk. That was it? So how was how
was coaching me coach with great coach? Man? I I know,
I'm I'm fan boy, but he's coaching. Coach means a
lot to me. Man, he means everything to me. And
they're still I'll reach out. When he was coaching Obama,
and I was even when I was coaching the high
school where I was coaching at the U, I would

(15:52):
always reach out to him a couple of times a
year and just tell him thank you. And I think
we should never pass up opportunities to tell people how
much we appreciate them, how much we love and we
all see how short life is and stuff half as quick. Man,
you know, it's just you don't expect it. So every
once in a while, I'll just call them me like coach.
I don't want anything. I'm just calling and let you
know I appreciate you, appreciate the impact you had. I

(16:14):
appreciate watching you. You inspire me from the business, you know,
watching you coach, watching your teams play, watching how your
guys approach the game. I know people in Miami are
gonna hate me for all this.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Love, but they're going to understand it. They're going to
understand it more. I think, JT. You know what I mean.
I got a better understanding of them too.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Man.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
This is this is priceless, bro.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
It really is real good stuff. So all right, we
talked about the pivot in interview will Stay Present day. Well,
obviously that all that wasn't present day, but on current events.
Literally as we are recording this this day, I know
this is gonna come out in a few days, But
the day that we're recording this, your son Mason just
landed in Mobile, Alabama to participate in the Senior Bowl

(16:54):
to get one step closer to his dream of becoming
an NFL player. I'm assuming that the advice you gave
him as he was heading the airport wasn't the same
advice that like Gary Wasshard gave you back in ninety seven,
like go find somebody to fight. But as someone who
is a member of the Senior Ball Hall of Fame
and a guy who really like like that Senior Bowl

(17:17):
week in that game helped you make a name for yourself,
kind of the next level of you achieving your dream
and coming from a school like Acron, it's not a shot,
but because it was not a school that was the
higher profile program, that Senior Bowl gave you an opportunity
to really get in front of people. So, knowing all
of that, and then of course most importantly, you being dad,

(17:39):
what kind of pride are you experiencing as you're watching
all of this unfold For Mason.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
That's tu It's way better than playing, you know, watching
all my kids go through their journey, in particular Mason
right now. You know I talked to them last night.
You know, kid, it's simple, you know, good luck, go
do your things. He's laid the groundwork and they put
the He's put the work in. He's not skipped any
steps to get to where he is. I had a
chance to go to LSU and play for three years.

(18:06):
Very few guys need a chance to leave early and
have the success early, and you know early on. So
you know, Brian Kelly gave him a chance to play
early on at the LSU and he's played two thousand
some snaps. You know he's done. He's done the work
and he gets to this point now to go continue
to climb that ladder, go through his journey. So good
luck to do what you do. You don't need coach

(18:27):
by me. All you need is let you know I'm
proud of you. I love you more than words can
he can never, can never express. And I'll be up
there tomorrow. I'm getting the play tomorrow. You know, I'm
gonna go recruit and watch my son in the senior
ball because they's are these are very precious times that
you will never ever ever get back, and part of

(18:48):
you know, I do have some regrets over the last
few years with coaching ball. I love it, I pour
into it, and I love my players. I love what
I do, but you you miss some of those those
times throughout your kid's journeys. I'm blessed to have isa
here now playing it to you, you know, but Mason
not having a chance to see but one game of
a year sometimes is really difficult, you know.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
And I'm glad you just mentioned Isaiah because we're talking
about Mason the Senior Bowl again. It's it's happening right now.
But the last time you're on the show, and the
kids were all still in not necessarily grade school, but
I think they're like middle school aged and younger A
Zoe might have been in elementary school at the time,
and it was like, Hey, anything they're doing, if it's
a school play, if it's a game, if it's whatever,

(19:27):
I want to make sure I get out there. And
now they're all kind of finding their own path. But
Isaiah is showing up in the same defensive meetings that
you're in. Now you know you've got them here at
um and then Zoe's now a collegiate athlete her self,
and you know, Jordan's just getting things started. But what
is that like, man to see all. I know how
important it was for you to find a way kind

(19:49):
of out of your circumstances through sport, but to see
all three of your older children living that life and
where sport is taking them after it created this whole
world for you, or at least you maximize the opportunity
that it gave you. Just if you could give me
a broader perspective, you know, because I know it's not
limited to one child.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah, I mean, I've got three kids in three different places,
so it gets difficult, you know, But like you said,
having Isaiah here now is great. I had a chance
to coach, says my boys played football where it was
youth ball and and uh the Davy Broncos and then
Cooper City whatever we were there, the Colts or whatever
it was, and then on the Saint Thomas, Uh Saint

(20:29):
Thomas Aquinas and had a chance to be there for
five years coaching them all the way through Isaiah and
Mason and Zoe was Zoe was playing volleyball. Then at
at Saint Thomas and her club stuff, and then now
having Isaiah in the building is priceless. You know, I
get to see him almost every day except where I'm
on the road recruiting. You know, he's home, he's he
gets to have a relationship with his little brother. Zoe's

(20:52):
doing her thing out in Arizona State playing playing beach volleyball.
But I lifted my kids. Yeah, I have a profession,
have a job, I have a passion, But at this
point I lived through my kids and seeing them happy,
seeing them successful, seeing them struggle sometimes, see them struggle
and overcome it or struggle and get back up and
bust themselves out. They need all that, you know, they need.

(21:13):
They've been They've been blessed. I've been blessed to be
able to provide a good life for them and by
some of the worldly standards of the some of the
opportunities they've been putting in, some of the police places
they've been put into. So seeing them grow and overcome
and go through diversity and have successes is amazing. It's
the best. I mean, it's you know, sometimes I sit

(21:36):
back like Nash. You know, if I retired again, I
can go, I can go. You know, be more, be here. More.
I could be in Aroson, I could be in Phoenix,
and you know with the more, I could be with
Isaiah or Mason more. You know, Isaiah's back home like best.
You know. You try to try to juggle all that
you can't. But you know what you do. You raise
your kids the best way. You know how. You discipline them.

(21:59):
You're teach them your show them way. You dust them
off when they fall down, you applaud them when they
do well. Then you gotta let them go and go
grow and go do your thing. I'm just I'm dad now.
Like yesterday, I was signing autographs at the at the
Whiffle the Whiffle Whiffleball tournament, and you know, I told
the kids, I'm like, yeah, I'll sign your hat, but
this is the one you need to get right. This

(22:20):
is so there was a kid that got a football
signed with me and Mason were growth on it and
they signed a hat. I was like, there's you guys
now have one of one and two of two in
the world of the of seth.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
I didn't take advantage of that situation.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yes, you missed.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
That's a great point right there.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yesterday yesterday yesterday's We're Free Now it's gonna costume.

Speaker 4 (22:39):
Yeah, well I know Seth, so I know big Seth.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Man.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
You speaking of and speaking of Mason, Man, Bro, he
busted his tail at the event, man. And you you honestly, man, Jason,
what you're talking about is is honestly the gospel.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Man.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
Your kids are exemplary of what you want, how you
want to raise your kids. Of course they do have
you know who, I don't know anything, but everybody's gonna
have some things that happen in life that they have
to adjust to.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Man.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
But Mason could have like any other Hall of Fame
son could have just sat around did nothing, man.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
But that was not him.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Man.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
He was on the grind. He was busting his tail.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Man.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
And that's the tribute to you and your family, man,
And you know it was.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
It was.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
It was awesome to see. And you talk about growth. Man,
he's almost probably bigger than you now right, there's a
big dude right there.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Bro. You can't whoop you yet, but he's big.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
You know, because you always got to strike that fear
and no matter what, he might be able to get you.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
But he don't. He don't think he can because of
the past President.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
I've been hearing that. I've been hearing that all my
learn That's right's the narrative.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Well, don't make me being you know, John Boka.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Out here, dog.

Speaker 4 (23:48):
Seven, I love it all a right? All right, we
hit you enough old guy questions. Let's keep it moving here, man,
all right. So Nick Saban's first regular season game and
as an NFL head coach was coincidentally, which is a
big word like mayon Name's big seth, was also the
first ever game for Mike McDaniel as an NFL coach,

(24:10):
because he was coaching as an intern for the Denver
Broncos in two thousand and five. Anyway, we laid it
all on the line for the Broncos and Broncos pretty much,
and we beat them up all game long. That being said, though,
you had to find a way to end this thing
in dramatic fash you, JT. Had to find a way
even though the Dolphins were up twenty seven to ten
with time running out, gets down to the six yard line.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Do you remember what happened after that? JT?

Speaker 2 (24:34):
I do. Jacob Snake dropped back the past. I forget
who was blocking me. I think it was it wasn't
a tight end. I think it was a tackle on
the left tackle and I think I did a little uh,
a little stab shop on the outside of arm can run,
can't run the backside of Jacob Snake on the blast side.
Knocked the ball out ball. I think I missed the
fumble initially, kicked it forward a little bit and it

(24:55):
took that that big hot like you like on the
on side, you know when you kick it on the side.
Oh and uh hop up to me. And that's tough though. Man.
You got a September game in Miami, first game of
the season, so you're in shape, but you're still not
in game game shape. You know, you went through training camp,
don't do much in the preseason. So that's like the
first one. So late in the game. That was a bitch.

(25:17):
You go eighty five yards? Now?

Speaker 1 (25:18):
I was, I was again, you went out? How far
did you go?

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Again? I think it was eighty five?

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
But I think the stadium had I think we had
the baseball dirt we was for the Marlin still in
the stadium, so you know, it was you run from
that grass, then you hit that baseball dirt. You know
like you get like a little like you need to
tune up, but you got too much gunk in your
carburetor or whatever like. And I remember I remember hitting
that and there was an offensive line. I don't know
why he was running. He was chasing me. How was

(25:49):
he still in the picture? JT after ninety five yards?
Ninety some yards? How was he still in the picture?
It was eighty five yards. He's in the picture because
they had they had they had the they had the
wide lands. They zoomed out, they zoomed out. So when
I saw the replay on TV, you juice, you know
how it works. You play off and you know, I
pick up at the screen at first to see I
was trying to find out what a snake was because

(26:09):
he you know, I kick a run. If somebody had
blocked him something or he had fallen or something. Maybe
I just maybe so.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
You could take those guys out. Man, You can't take
them out anymore, but you take them out back there.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
I remember a big boy running across the field. I'm like,
why is this dude? Why, Like they should have just
took a knee, take a take a knee, or just
run the ball and get your get your running back
some yardshere they run a six yard line trying to,
you know, get a world big. But I do remember
I think when I I crossed the goal line and
I was dead exhausted. I think Randy McMichael was the

(26:42):
first one. It ran over there and jumped on me
in the end zone, and then they all powered on me.
And I seriously thought that was a bad one. That
was a bad movement. I seriously thought I was gonna
die because I could not breathe. I was so exhausted
from being a long game and the heat, and then
the whole team powered on them. But right, that was
a good one. That was coach Savans, welcome back in
the NFL. And after that as early in September.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
Yeah, you know, what, is it true though that you
played most of that two thousand and five season with
the planet fashion in your feet?

Speaker 2 (27:08):
In both you did? Yeah? I did, I and I
never I didn't tell them at the time. I think
the story may have come out afterwards. But when I
first heard, I forget which when I heard the left
or the right one? Whatever. You know, once you injure one,
you start to change your gate a little bit, so
you have other issues that come up, whether it be hip, back,
knee or the other planet fashion. So I heard it

(27:31):
in a home game and it really didn't boy like
that week leading up. It was sore and I never
had plane fashion audis. It was sore, like my art
and all that and my heel. You know, you you
get the massage, you roll it out on a crossball
or whatnot. But it wasn't like I had an issue
with like needing insults. You know, you get in the game,
you know, you get all jacked up for the game,

(27:53):
and sure and juiced uf pardon the pun, you know,
so you don't feel a whole lot. So I heard it,
and I never told trainers that was bothering me because
it wasn't like that. It was just sore, you know,
it's football sore. But I heard it, and like I
popped on an offensive play where I finally got in
and at the player receiver, So I'm damn first of all,

(28:15):
the coachers would have gotten killed for it. And then
I never saw the offense inside of the ball again.
So I like when I lined up wide and Mary
was white out to the left on the visitor sideline
and they were going to throw a fade to me
and I ended up getting like grabbed or something passing appearance,
which they always did because you know, it's not a
bad penalty for the defense. You know, they lose a
yard or half a yard, you know, and don't we

(28:36):
get a new set of downs whatever. So I used
to hate when they did that because I know, like,
I'm not gonna get the ball because they're going to
just tackle me. They did it a couple of times
in the Jets when I was play up at the
Jets too, or we played at the Jets. Anyway, I
take off the run the fade, and as soon as
I pushed off and popped and I like, you feel
like you got like shot in the bottom of the foot.
I'm like, oh shit, what is that. I tried to
get the ball, the passing, the appearance whatever, and I'm

(28:58):
just hoping. I'm like, man, don't call me off the
field because I got to run all the way across
to get out. I think I played the next play too.
I think they left me in the next player and
they in the ball and I had to go block
or whatever. But I'm damn sure it wasn't gonna say
I got hurt on offense. Next series comes out, first
play on defense, I get my stance, I take off
and I start hobbling like, oh my foot. But anyway,

(29:19):
I get through the game, but yeah, I tore it.
And then come to find out, I guess the best
cure for playing fashion IDUs or one of the cures
is they cut it and disconnected. So they said, you're
gonna be all right. It's just gonna hurt like a
sun a gun for about five six weeks. Then like
a week later, my other foot started hurting, and then
I got plane of fashion items for a while, like
it was bothered me for a while. It wasn't torn,

(29:41):
it was just inflamed or were injured. And then late
in that year I ended up popping the other one,
so I tore both playing fascist in one year, which
they held up better, quicker, and you know, you you
get rid of the constant maintenance of having to deal
with planing fashion artists. But they both pop and I'm like,
I'm not one for missing games, so I just had

(30:02):
to had to get shot up every game. It was.
It was the worst. It was the worst pain. It
was the worst injury. It was bad.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
People don't get that, man, getting shot in the foot
man is, I'll.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Take all the nerve endings down there, everything, Like you
know what's bad because you guys have been around juice,
You've been through this. You know. It's like when you
go to a doctor and they're like, oh, you got
to get a shot, whether it be a vaccine or
whatever it is, Is this gonna hurt? Nah, you're good,
Dennis Is, this is gonna hurt. They all be lying anyway,
but dinnis because everything hurts in the dentist They're like, no,
you just be a little pinch. So I asked forget

(30:34):
who was doing it the first time doing it? I'm like, hey,
definitely afraid of needles. Is this gonna be Is this
gonna hurt me bad? And I remember the doctor handed
me a pile. He was like, you're gonna need to
bite this yep. Like he's like this is gonna I'm
be honest with you, j C. It's gonna be really bad.
And I'm like when the doctor tells you that going in,

(30:55):
You're like, oh lord, I remember the first time I
got it. I think the first game I got it
was was when we played the New Orleans Saints in
Baton Rouge because the Hurricane Katrina went through New Orleans
and devastated that area and they had to move the
game to Tiger Stadium and Death Valley. So we're in
the visitor's locker room and in Death Valley. And there's

(31:19):
a reason why they call it death Valley because whatever
goes in the locker room like that died and stayed there.
That thing was nasty. There was like this back room
had like a single light bulb hanging from a string
like the ceiling like, and it was swaying because the
draft in there, like there was like it was it
was like sticky. It was like a little moist in there,

(31:39):
because there was like you could hear like it's like
a movie. You can hear like a little drip of
water in the background. Every every six seconds you hear
the little It was terrible. I remember going in there
and laid down, Doc rolled up a gator ay Town.
It was like, you're gonna need this, I remember, And
then I remember Tony's punk ass. Tony and Grays over
in the corner like like yeah, just see what's going on.

(32:04):
We want he wanted to see what it was. And
I get we get done. I remember walking down the locker.
I laid there for a while, like, let them pain
die down. You got to move around. You gotta get
that stuff, you know, because motion is lotion. You got
to get your blood pumping and all that. Remember, I
get up and I'm walking out. Tony Gray's pump cast
is like, hey, did that hurt you? I want to
remember I wanted to kill you, just like I wanted

(32:25):
to chill me while like my eyes are all puffy
tears running down.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
Well, the real shame is that just you know, ended
up being a down season with only twelve sacks and
career high seventy three tackles with the two torn planer fashions.
So it's a shame that it, Like.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
You know what, I got my career high tackles. I
didn't realize that, but it's probably because I wasn't running
up the field every play. I actually had to sit
around the line of privage player to run a little
bit because I couldn't move. It's good you had to
save it for third down, so that what it was.
It worked out, But that was a rough year. Man.
You're not not practicing a whole lot, getting shot every
game and then ends up being on both feet.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
Well, okay, we'll keep it moving. I think I'm going
to combine two in one here since we got the
twenty five minute Nick Saban LoveFest answer, So all right,
I want to ask you about it. I want to
ask you about two of my favorite moments from your career.
And they actually happened within two weeks of each other.
It was the following season, so two thousand and six.

(33:26):
This was of course your Defensive Player of the Year season.
So there was a lot of great moments, but there
was two in particular that if people ask me to
tell me my you know, what are your favorite JT
moments in his fifteen year career. The first one is
what I like to call the Bob Kuchenberg game. And
I call it that because the Dolphins were one and six,
right this was sab and second year. We had won

(33:48):
all those games, I think, six straight to finish out
the you know, the five season, and expectations were high,
and next thing you know, we're one and six and
where are we headed? To Chicago? And the Bears are
seven and zero, and so you can imagine what was
being said and what the what the odds were? But
then Bob Kuchenberg somehow finds his way into the press

(34:10):
and then he got under your skin a little bit.
What do you remember from that?

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Well, maybe you rest in peace. I don't want to.
You know, coach was a good player back in the day.
But yeah, I mean everybody had anybody get me fished up.
Yeah we were guess we were darkings coming into two
thousand and six. I everyone thought, because we finished so
strong in five after the Cleveland game. Coincidentally, we went

(34:37):
on a six game run. Yeah, things weren't going well.
We know we were struggling. We knew we sucked. I mean,
you don't take a genius to figure out you want
a six you suck and say a lot of ways.
We got to get some stuff fixed. Everybody had to
open the mouth with an opinion. And you know, it's
it's one thing for fans and people to say stuff,
but then when alumni starts saying stuff, and you know,
and you want to bring in all these guest speakers

(34:58):
and tell you how we used to do. What do
you need to do? Like shut the funk up? Like
we understand we got a lot, we got some work
to do. But you know, somebody told me that coach
had something to say. I forget what it was. It
wasn't pretty or whatever, and I don't know. I just
I didn't want to hear it anymore, and I didn't
want to disrespect him. But I also didn't care at
the time. You know, I didn't say nothing bad, just

(35:20):
told him he needs he needs a hugging a hobby.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
What do you come up with that?

Speaker 2 (35:25):
I don't know. It was better than saying shut the
fuck up.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Well, yeah, because that wouldn't have made it anywhere, right,
So that would.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Have made it. It would have made it like in the
local media because it was to the it was to
the local press. Some national guys there wouldn't to muse
it because it's it's frowned upon the top like that.
But I figured hugging a hobby had traction and it
was played on network TV as well as cable, So
hugging a hobby, I don't know, I'll come up with
these stupid things.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Sometimes he's got.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
I know, but nobody gave us a chance. And then
I remember I would I think that week at some
point I got a little mouthy about the Big Bad
Bears or whatever.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
The Almighty Chicago Bears.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Chicago Bears, and everyone was like looking at me, lying right,
but we went up there and whooped that ass though.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Well right, so that's the that's the follow up. It's like,
this isn't one of my favorite moments simply because you
said something that was catchy in the press. Is that
then you went out and had you had a sack,
which was one hundred sack of your career. You had
an interception returned for a touchdown, you know, your second
one that year at that point, and so it's like, well,
actually it was your first. Your second one comes with

(36:37):
my next question. So I mean, and I think the
sack was a strip sack. So it's one thing people,
and now it's more than ever people talk and social
media and everything else. But to say it and then
go back it up and to kind of tell everybody
else in that locker room like we might be one
and six, but I got you, you know, just follow
me and we and we got this and the team responded.

(36:59):
So that had a meaningful I would think beyond just
your own individual performance.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Oh no, if it was meaningful, it was relieving, like
thank god it worked out because you got to shut
your self help fu failure yeah, yeah, thank god. But
now it was end up being a good game. And
you know, and there was there was a passionate pregame
talk and all that, but that's notuff only goes so far.
You got to prepare, you got to be ready to go,
and you got to believe. If you believe, it's it's

(37:25):
in life. It don't matter if it's sports in life.
If you truly believe that you can do something, even
if you're in over your head, even if you bid
off more than you can chew, if you believe and
just keep shipping away at it, like some people just
need belief. And and you know, I think when you're
when you're leaders, your guys out front, your best players
believe and they carry themselves with the wagon confidence that
we're gonna get this done, even though you may be

(37:46):
up against some big odds. People started thinking, you know, early,
we played really well early in that game. You know,
so you have first quarter success, You got first down success.
That makes it easier on second and third. You know,
you got first quarter success. Shit starts to grow. Everyone
always talks about don't let bad teams hang around, because
if you let bad teams hanging around, you know, what
happens they start believing. So it's the same thing for us,

(38:08):
Like we got to start fast. We all knew that. Now,
how do you start fast? It's easy to say it,
it's easy to gain plan it when you're in the
ac and on the white board, But how do we
have answers for what Chicago wants to do? Or whoever
your oppollent is, how do you have our answers early on?
Because you're going to see something that you that you
haven't seen, and they're about to see something that that
they that they haven't seen. But I think a lot

(38:28):
of our a lot of our focus that that week
became more because we had to kind of circle the
wagons a little bit, you know, and and realize that
all these people on outside weren't really giving us so
much of a chance. So it becomes more internalized, and
I think you become closer like that, so that we
became more like it's not about damn, it's about us, Like,
let's go out, let's strike first, let's stay aggressive, let's

(38:49):
good after their ass on first down, let's win first down.
But we can we can you know, four short throws
or we can get after their ass on second and
then get exoted on third. Oh, so it's I'm not
worried about what they're going to do because they're they're good.
I understanding, got some players, But what are we gonna do?
That's been different than the last six weeks? Seven weeks
change in the area. So we started out, we started early,
We played well early. That hundred of sack with the

(39:11):
strip sack was a great job by It was not
a call game, a great job by Bonnie Holiday of
just climbing vertical and he was in lining up a
three technique. He climbed vertical. I stopped at about at
the fight line, about four and a half yards and
came back off, just came off his ass there and
like it's the ball came out. Bunny did a great job.
Think Bonnie recovered it or one. I think I think
it was Monny that recovered it, maybe becase I don't
know who, but I think it was Bonnie. But it

(39:32):
was a great job by Like, guys, just believe it.
Not trying to do too much. Let's just go do
what we do and follow me. We'll and we'll put
our best foot forward and see what happens. And it
worked out so it was meaningful because we won. Every
win means something, but it was relieving and it was
like it was good for us. It was good for us,
and backed up my ship talk.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
Well, there you go. That's a perfect segue into into
the next play that I wanted to ask about it
the next moment, and it was just two weeks later.
So now, like, I guess that belief was working because
you beat the Bears and you went two in a row,
and then the Vikings come into town.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Hold on, you ain't this little glance over and brings
by the pick six? Let's go back. I had a
strip sack, but then I also had to go ahead.
I mentioned the big six, but we didn't talk about it,
talk about that ship.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
Okay. I think what he wants me to get to,
Juice is who the quarterback was, and more importantly, where
the quarterback went to school. So Rex Grossman of.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
The of there it is there wanted.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
To get to.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
Okay, now we can move forward.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Yes, just a little pick six and uh, I think
I think there was a big block on that play
by there was see I remember some of the details,
and it ain't about it ain't about me. There's a
lot of a lot of.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
Coming back to you like this.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
But there was was Ruben Brown on that Chicago team
and guard I don't think he wasn't he was because
when I picked it off, I'm pretty sure Matt Roth
peeled back and got a big block on catch me.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
Yeah, Matt, I don't know if that was in that moment.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Yeah, I think I think I do remember on the
way the end zone, like I see Matt, you know, Matt,
that was Wow, Matt would knock somebody's ass out. But
uh yeah, that was It was a good play. We scored.
But regrets this is this is a small petty regret.
But you know, I've had the chance to score nine
touchdowns in my NFL career. A lot of times I

(41:34):
would do the jump man across the goal line and
my dumb ass getting caught up in the moment.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
I'm in Chicago of all places, that's the one time
you didn't do it and I didn't do the jump
man across.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Realize that when I got in the end zone and
I got near the wall and I'm like, you know,
you score, and there's fans up front and they're yelling
at you and ship and I'm telling them how much
I think about them, and I'm like, oh, I seriously,
I wanted to like go back out the end zone
come back. Thinking years later, twenty years later, nineteen years later,

(42:09):
I still still drives me nuts. Hilarious.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
I never thought about that juice. I think I've told
you so. I was at that game. It was one
of the few after I had stopped working for the
teams on a few road games I've gone to and
my now wife, but Marianne at the time we were dating,
she was living in Chicago, so I flew up to
visit her. Figure we'd go to the game. Of all
places Erlacker gave us, we sat in the Erlacker family

(42:34):
suite and so we sat like right up to the
front and quiet, and they figured, yeah, why not let
him say like, we're gonna kick the hell out of it,
We're gonna kick the ass and so big.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Everybody come on in here.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
So it's all Chicago. Erlacker's Dad's there, Bryce was there,
the whole crew, and we're sitting there and then Jat
starts bawling out and Maryanne had never been in an
NFL game before, and she's like she just thinks that
this is just how he rolls. I'm like, well, yeah,
he's really good, but this is kind of some next
level stuff. But we were, you know, I was kind
of like cheering internally because I don't want to get
thrown out of the suite because it was a little

(43:04):
bit cold outside. So anyway, the other moment, now that
we covered all that, did we catch everything on that?
Is there any other play? So two weeks later, Vikings
are in town. They're having a rough season too. I
think they were like a six and ten team by
the end of the year as well, so they were
not a had nothing to do with it. My point

(43:28):
is that you guys are starting to roll and but
you're only it's a fourth quarter and it's only a
four point lead, so like it's still a ballgame in
the fourth quarter, and Brad Johnson starts like doing this
thing where they start to march down the field. You
guys don't want to lose the momentum. You certainly don't
want to lose to them if you've just beaten the
almighty Chicago Bears two weeks earlier, and Legend has it

(43:52):
first and ten, they're like at midfield, now Legend has it.
I don't know I wasn't there, but legend has it
that you turned I don't know if it was to
act or to somebody and you said, I'm about to
do something amazing. Did that happen?

Speaker 2 (44:06):
It did? So what the hell I forgot about I
forgot about that? What is going on? What?

Speaker 3 (44:11):
What are you thinking in that moment that that's the
time where you're gonna sit there and say it and
then then he does pick off the pass and returns
it for fifty three yards for a touchdown. Juice, you know?

Speaker 2 (44:20):
So, So.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
I just gotta know kind of what's going through your
mind in that moment that that's the thing you say
to yourself and whoever's next to you.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
You know what, I'm gonna keep it with a young
kid say, I'm gonna keep it a buck. I'm gonna
keep it a buck. All right. We're gonna talk about
a couple of moments where you know, he called it,
he did this, He said that he told the bears
they sucked, well, come be chanced, and we did. Like
all these things. These are great story And I'm gonna
tell you the story about the Minnesota thing. But I'm
gonna be honest. There's probably been a thousand other times

(44:52):
where I said some shit that didn't come true. So
it like, I'm it ain't like I'm batt in a thousand,
but I'm gonna take the credit on this one.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
What happened that one?

Speaker 2 (45:04):
All right? So what happened was we were in a
TV timeout and you know, there was a couple of guys.
It's one of those It was four quarters.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
Right, yeah, lately, five minutes left in the game, and
you know.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
It was one of those quieter TV timeouts and not
a whole lot of being said by guys, and like,
I'm some guys are starting, you know, let's go. We
gotta get we gotta make something happen. It's a big series.
We gotta get right here. I gotta get three and
our get the ball back, the offense, all the things
that are normally said, like the stock the stock quotes.
And I remember Zach was standing there and the the ref,
who I've seen a few times after that. The ref

(45:37):
was staying there, the umpire standing by the ball, throwing
the TV time out, and I was like, I just
for whatever reason, I just turned. I was like to
the to the defense. I was like, I'm about to
do something fucking amazing. Watch this And they were like
what And I was like, watch this ship. I'm about
to do something. And I remember when the game was over,
the ref came over. He was like, I cannot believe

(45:59):
you called it. And I was like, you know, in
the moment, you're gonna be all copy. You're like, yes,
roll or whatever. But yeah. But but luckily for me,
they checked the play. And I'm supposed to be rushing
obviously on defensive end. It's I don't know what down
it was, but they checked the play the back. The
back stepped up a little bit and child he just

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moved out a little wider, which was a tailtale, and
they were gonna run the screen, so they want they
tried to bim block me and get me to run
up the field. And you know, it's one of those
moments where your preparation, you feel like there's a high
probability this is the play they're gonna run. If they
don't run that player, you're not going to get much
of a pass rush. So you need to convert quickly
and make get your hands up trying to elevate the
throw if they throw the ball in the boundary there.

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But they did run the screen and I just sat
on it and got some good blocks. N although he'll
got a big block for me, leave me down the field.
Uh forget. It was the year my bell that that
dun't Brad Johnson was that was that? Why be Oh no,
it wasn't. You know what it was. But they made
a big block like the ten yard line, dunk Brad

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Johnson on his back as I was going to the
end zone. I was worried. I remember seeing it in
live time where he was going to block the quarterback
and he, you know, he pancaked it. But as you know,
a lot of times when you pancake somebody, the rest
can can misconstrue that it's holding, you know, you tapping somebody.
So they kind of getting through the flag and I
jumped man. Didn't got to touchdown. Oh he jumped man.

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He finally got it right. There was a play the
next series, the very next series, there was a play.
I was playing left defensive vand which I didn't. I
didn't play left on the left side a whole lot.
But they came out and you knew that we knew
they were going to maxx protect because we had been
lighting them up a little bit and I jumped the count.
I had to. I had the snap, I had the
cadence and had to snap count, jumped the snapcount, ran
by the tight end. He and blocked me. And it's

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one of those ones where like it's a good play,
but obviously, twenty years later, I'm still thinking about it.
I messed. I made I made a big mistake trying
to get the sack and being caught up in the
moment because the stadium was rocking down and everyone's yelling
at screaming where I ran by the tight end and
max protection. I don't even think he touched me. And
Brad Johnson I don't think saw me coming because he

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was looking left at the boundary and I was coming
from the field playing left defensive end and the ball
was sitting there, And I truthfully should have just taken
the ball and ran him back for another one, but
instead I try to put a hole in his chest
and I knocked him down. The ball came out, they
recovered the fumble, but it should have been I should
have each I should have just took the ball and
scored again.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
So that would have been crazy.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
He's trying to do too much and getting caught up
in the moment instead of doing what I know I
should have done. I still remember it, you.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
Know, big Seff, I love all this talk because you know,
we know what JT did on the football field.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
But JT's success wasn't by accident. It was hard work.
It was also like how serious he was about his craft.
But it's also his preparation.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Man.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
You know he's talking about things that they knew, you know,
the pick six, that's stuff that he saw. Some guys
think they can show up on Sundays or Mondays or
Thursdays or Fridays or whatever freaking dad is now a days, right,
JT and be successful.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Man.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
That's that's what it's all about. That professionalism itself, and
that will to not ever lose at anything. Dude, That's
why we need we need a thousand JT's on our
you know, in our lives. Bro tell you that, And
sometimes it's probly because yeah, it's like, you know, it's rough,
and trust me, I'm the same dude. You know, I
try to find a three hundred pound defensive lineman for

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no reason, you know what I mean. But sometimes man, it's.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
Like, because you you have that that will to not
lose because your will to win is so great man,
you know, and that's that that that hard work of preparation.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Man, that's why. That's why I love this dude man
on my team. And we need more dudes like that. Man,
We need more.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Dudes like that. Thank you. I appreciate that. It means
a lot. It's a there's a lot of great athletes
out there. You know, you're getting the league got the
best of the best in the world playing football. So
it was always for me, it was always finding a
little small things to get in advantaged, whether it be
you know, people say, oh, you're cheating this snap and
you're cheating this you're doing now they don't cheat the game,

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but take all the advantages that you can get, so,
you know, little things. I always felt like the little
things kind of separated, you know, gave me a little
bit of an edge, whether it be knowing the snapcount,
somebody had a twitch, somebody had a tell on the
back steps up in Childs on that particular play against
Minnesota that we knew they were going to max protect
the tight end was line was a line closed tackle
in a two point stance and he was down a

(50:26):
three point with his ass back. Like I knew. I
knew max protection was coming. So although I was supposed
to be in the nine technique and it's got really
wide and just freaking took off. I had the snapcount
as well. Now, you know, back in the day, and
I you know, I'll say it now because it's a
lot of stuff has changed. But you know, some quarterbacks
were loud. Some quarterbacks, especially when they're on the road,

(50:48):
gotta yell so the receiver on the outside side of
the huddle can hear the snapcount. So I'm going to
give myself in a position to be able to see
your lips. And they always in juice, you know, they
call the play, they called the protection, the play, the routes,
YadA YadA, formation motion, the shift, snapcount. I see they
say it's a Snapdount. I ain't a lip reader, but

(51:10):
I can see you on set one to whatever mays be.
So using those advantages and then we had code where
we pass it down to the rest of the defensive
line and let them know what the snapcount was and
things like that. Just finding smaller advantages in the game, right.

Speaker 4 (51:23):
No doubt about it. All, Right, JT, We're almost done
with you. Here, bro Man, it's been so it's been
so good man. But there's something I've always wanted to
ask you. It's been for a while.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Man.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
We found out when you were selected as a member
of the Pro Football Hall of Fame class in twenty seventeen,
that that Tom Brady actually wrote a letter to the
selection committee endorsing you.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
First of all, what do you think when you saw
that letter? And my follow up question is if you
gave Tom Brady more hell? Then you gave Tom Brady
more hell than anybodyn to anybody in his twenty year career.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
How in the world did you guys get so close
after you? I mean you had to be the biggest
store on his side his whole career.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
I mean that was probably a pain in his ass.
But he took the years off my life too, So.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
You're not alone.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
I mean, you know, great recognized is great, I guess.
And we we went at it a lot of times,
and they would wear our hind parts out in Foxboro,
but then they come to Miami and we we usually
played them pretty well, even in their great years and
our our lean years. But obviously it meant the world
to me that that Brady thought that highly. I needed
to say the things he said. We've always had mutual

(52:33):
respect and been friends for a long time, from the
time he first came in the league, and or he
wasn't Tom Brady yet, or he was just he was
still Tommy, and then he started turning to Tom and
then Tom Brady and then just Brady. Yeah, but you know,
I'm not going to take twenty five minutes to fam

(52:55):
boy over over Brady like I just did Nick Saving.
But there are two people in this world that there
are people a few people that are on this pedestal,
the guys that played in my ear. Obviously Dan Marino's
up there as well because I've always been a fan
of his and he was a teammate. But you look
at coach Saban Tom Brady, and the respect is never ending,

(53:17):
the admiration for what they were able to accomplish. Tom's
ultimate competitor, made it really hard to play against. We
would go at it. We were friends on off the field,
but you know, bitter rivals on the field. Always kept
it respectful. One of the few quarterbacks that would ever
help up hit. I always say Tom Brady, Peyton Manning

(53:38):
and Dan Marino the only three guys, i'd ever help up.
And if I ever knocked if I ever knocked an
Marino down, I'd be cut. So never got a chance
to help a Reno up, but the other two I
have picked him up a few times.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
That's funny. I love it cool, all right, So last
question before we roll into the final segment of this thing.
We're less than a month away from the fifteenth annual
Dolphin Cancer Challenge, and a few years ago they renamed
their rides after different Miami Dolphins Hall of famers. Of course,
there's the you just mentioned, Dan Marino. There's the thirteen

(54:10):
mile Damn Reno Ride, which Juice I think you're going
to do with last year. For sure, Juice will be
on the thirteen mile. There's the thirty nine mile Arizanca,
the fifty four miles at Thomas, and then the ride
of all rides, like when the real riders get out there,
which you know I just said Juice is doing the
thirteen I'll give him credit.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
He did the ninety nine JT last year.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
The JT. So there's the ninety nine mile Jason Taylor Ride.
What does it mean to have that ride named in
your honor and to know that so many people are
raising literally millions and millions of dollars in support of
innovative cancer research in the spirit of your name.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Well, the DCC has been around for a long time,
and I think that the ride just got named after
my number a few years ago. So obviously the history
of what Miami Dolphins and the DCC have done for
so long is tremendous. I mean the amount of money raised,
the awareness, the love, and the support that the whole community,

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the whole the whole country has really gotten behind. People
come from all over the place and participate in it.
The Dophins have done an amazing job putting this thing together.
So I'm honored to have a ride named after me
or after my number, because I wore that jersey number.
You know, it's it means a lot, obviously, It's it's
a fruit of of some of your some of your labor,
and and it's a it's a great honor to be

(55:29):
associated with it now. But that being said again, like
the young guys say, I don't even know if they
say anymore, but I heard it, I think last month
in the locker room. Keep it a buck. I'm not
gonna ride.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
You're gonna stop saying it.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
I'm not. I'm not gonna ride that any night of
our ride, all right. I appreciate the name. If I
had to do it, I would be I would be
a little closer. I told you a much of a fan.
I am a damn Arino, would be a little closer
to the third.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
You're gonna say, you're waiting on the two one.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Yeah, they gonna do that one. I just uh, I
wish I could do it, but I already got I
got something scheduled during that ride. I got to get
fitted for a hair piece, so I ain't gonna be
able to make that one. But no, it's a I
look forward to. I look forward to being involved, but
I can't. I'm not real big on on the bike round.
Although my wife did just buy me a bike. It's

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an electric bike.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Is it electric or is it a pedal assist?

Speaker 2 (56:25):
It's a it's a pedal assist.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
That's what you got to use. JT use that, but that's.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
It's pederal assists. But I made a very strong point
of the man before we got put it in my
truck when I had to go pick it up because
she did the shop and I had to come pick
it up. Of course, when I picked it out, I
was like, how does this bike work? Is it? I said?
It's electric? Right, he goes, pedal assists. I'm like, what
the hell are you gonna do? You want to explain
this to me because I ain't ride a bike since
it was a Huffey and I had the big banana sea.
He's like, well, you depending on a gear. You know

(56:51):
how it works. You can put it on echo, you
can put it on tour, you can put it on
turbo or whatever. Like that's how much help you get? Like,
all right, so what if I don't? If I need
all the help? He was like, you just pressed it,
just press the gas. He goes, you do just you
just press the gas and you don't pedal. It's going
to make that sound like that Tense speeds maker they
call him ten Speed. Still, that's a little click like.

(57:12):
He's like, some people gonna know you ain't pedeling, and
they're gonna know you're on a lecture. I was, I
don't damn as long as this bike will go.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
So when I spoke with you yesterday and I thought
you were doing something, he said, you were just riding.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Were you on that I was on the bike. Was
on the bike now I did.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
Because it was noisy as hell.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
I was doing I was doing pedal assists. But as
soon as I hung up with you and I had
to get back home, it was getting a little chilli outside.
I put my hoodie on, I tightened it up, and
I did not pedal assists coming away way.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
Yeah, man, that's great, that is great. Well, jad you
have told me all the time. We don't do stuff
just to do it right. You tell me that all
the time at work. And we don't do something thing
the same way just because we did it that way
in the past. So we have tried to evolve with
the fish tank. You listened to the show, you're familiar now.
The last couple of years we added the two minute drill.
My offensive guys take a different approach to the two

(58:13):
minute drill than my defensive guys. We know how you like.
We just talked about the dramatic flair for for ending
the two minute drive. We talked about all that. So
you have two minutes put it in your in your
head there two minutes around the clock. We're gonna throw
a few questions at you, hopefully get a laugh or
two and then we'll get you out of here.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Okay, we're gonna do parameters of the two minute drill
because everybody else has an option. But you just go
and glance over the options. Right.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
See, I'm glad you know that about it. You don't
want time out, You don't need timeouts. You got these
two minutes. You don't need timeouts. What do you want
from us?

Speaker 2 (58:47):
Talk about the defensive Guys don't usually ask just because
you know what I'm gonna say, don't mean you can't
like ask me.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
I want to ask, would you like some timeouts?

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Hell? No, the look we're playing, we're playing at home
in Miami. You had to burn him time outs and
because the crowd noise, you ain't got no more timeouts.
And juice will tell you where we used to. I
know we're deviating. I'll be ready back.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
It's all good.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
The way we used to do too minute drill in
practice is no matter what, whether it's a timeout or whatever,
we do not take a break. We don't. We don't
get water, we don't, we don't sull. So we're gonna
do that two minute on the fish tank. It's gonna
be the same way we used to practice it. There
are no timeouts. There is no water breaks.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Let's road water breaks, Daryl, Daryl, there's no water breaks. Daryl.
Can't take it like that. That's right, all right, here
we go. You ready, seth, you got the clock ready,
Let's go.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
All right, Ja t.

Speaker 4 (59:35):
We'd love that you are an avid fish Tank listener
and we appreciate you know, those downloads that you always
have for us. But what would you say is your
all time favorite fish Tank episode?

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Oh boy, that's that's not a fair question, because there's
there's too many good ones, like we got to do
it for a long time.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
That's you can answer some.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Of the great ones. Obviously. Dan Marino is always great
to hear. Dan Marino wish you would tell more stories
on the fish Tank, like he tells, we're having to
tread together. Yeah, yeah, those are the ones you need
to get. You know, there's some There were some some
serious ones, a hard hitting serious like Israel Gruti Erras.
This episode was really good. Uh, you know man who

(01:00:14):
blew my mind a little bit, Damn Jimmy Sefalo. Yes,
Like I didn't want to say no names. I don't
want to mispronounce it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
In Pennsylvania, baby, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Yeah, yeah. And then obviously when you get when you get, yeah,
the big personalities like Joe Rose and chanting crowd and
those are always entertaining.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
All right, we're gonna keep it moving because timeouts are gone.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
What was more nerve wracking for you your first live
dance on Dancing with the Stars in front of eighteen
million people, or dancing the haka on stage at a
foundation luau a few years back.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Oh, no, Dancing with the Stars by far Yeah, yeah,
forgot that doesn't dance and can't dance. It was a wallflower. Yeah,
that was that was the word, dude. I like, seriously,
like sick to my stomach. I never the people getting
nervous like that and stuff, and I always try to
play it cool. But that was that was man. The
hockey thing with uh with with that too. His event was,

(01:01:11):
you know, it was a little uncomfortable, but you know,
you kind of the older you get, the less same
you got anymore. You're just like, oh whatever, I mean,
you can if you can wear it, they could wear
them shirts and skirts like I can go up there
around for a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
Yeah, he says that now drews you shouldn't see what
he had to say to me when we walked off
the stage.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Somebody couldn't get it. Now, I didn't. I didn't have
a heads up, and you knew I didn't know. Bullshit,
you knew, you knew you almost you almost had had
to freshen up your CV that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Yeah, real quick, I'm gonna call time out real quick.
I want to ask at the ball, he said.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
We don't have any time.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
I've got I've got a time out on my side.
It's so crazy, JT.

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
You say that because you know you're you're so comfortable
out there in front of millions of people watch you
play football. But when you got millions of people watch
you do something that you're not as comfortable with, it's
a whole different world. Right, Like me playing golf in
front of a bunch of people's worst than me playing
football in front of one hundred thousand people.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
You know, absolutely absolutely hitting Yeah, going to one of
the tournaments like Tahoe and hitting the drive and all
the people staying around or dancing, Yeah yeah, it makes
you focus the athlete, and you start to focus more.
You know, you try to be ultra focused, but at
the end of the day. It's a crap shoot, like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
We work out all right back then.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
No, don't start it up as any time out. I
have to now since you forced me into saying the
Florida Rex Grossman thing. You just talked about having a
golf in front of a bunch of people. So j
T played, But it's a great story because you played
light years more golf than that guy ever played. And

(01:02:48):
where were we It was in Jacksonville. I forget where we.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Were, but there was Jacksonville.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
There had to be two hundred people on both sides,
and you guys were in the tea and off in
the tea box and emails. Is a JT. I played
like twice in my life. And you said it was
nerve wracking because you know what you really don't want
to do is hurt somebody. Right, Yeah, So Deebo swings
it truly happy Gilmore style, and he goes in there.

(01:03:13):
Now the entire day he probably shot at two hundred
and seven, like he sprayed the ball. He had a
fourteen stroke hole like every on that shot. He drive
that thing right down the center five hundred like it
was ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
And that's all it takes sometimes, right, we all got right.

Speaker 5 (01:03:36):
Everybody was safe though. All right, TV, let's get back.
Let's get back to his time running again. Big said,
as soon as you start this question right because he
got wait for the snap, Come on, man about it.
Let's just test you man. I don't know if you
guys you know you and harve me and kneel up there.
I don't know if you guys knew that. It's how
football worked, you know at their time out.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
We have no clue.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
All rightlet's get back to dancing. JT real quick. You
know we had your form. Former teammate Jared ogec on
he was in the tank and he said his pee
wee Herman dance it celebrates was the greatest ever Miami
dolphin history. And as a matter of fact, he said,
your bullseye punch was an l seven we who had

(01:04:16):
the better celebration.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Well, first of all, I will say this, like the
pee wee Herman thing was like all right, it was.
It was cute like the first couple of times, like
the first time or liked that one. Everybody, I mean,
of course to him he thought it was the greatest.
But I mean, you let the put it out on
the pole. Put it out on a fish tank pole
or something. Put it on your Twitter, like, did you
guys enjoy seeing the pe Wee Herman the celebration seven

(01:04:40):
times or the bulls Eye one hundred and thirty nine?
All right, I don't think next question. Okay, better hurry up.
It's fourth and ten down answer.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
I can almost just end it right there, but I
gotta get this question out. It is the last one
because there's a Dolphins mystery that has not been solved.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Four three seconds ago and you got to get into
the air zone.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
My god, damn Maria. Okay, all right, So in two
thousand and seven, just hours before, and I know it's
a rough year, we don't have to bring it up.
Hours before, the team was gonna take off for London,
the first ever NFL regular season game played outside of America.
For a month, they had a three hundred foot Jason
Taylor robot just walking around London, and the whole thing

(01:05:24):
was a big deal. The Great Harvey Green, my former boss,
was handling his business. I'll just say that in a
in a bathroom stall, in the locker room, and then
he ended up being doused juice. I don't know if
you know this. He was doused with like five gallons
of freezing cold water. I don't know where it came from.
I don't know if it was like a garbage camp
filled with ice. I don't know if it came from

(01:05:45):
the cold tub. But poor Harvey had one suit to
his name and it just got completely just drenched freezing
cold water. He apparently lost his mind, had to call
it audible. I don't know what he showed up. He
didn't want to be late to the plane and missed
the flight to London. That's your locker room, JT. Nothing
happened in that locker room without you knowing what happened.

(01:06:06):
Can you, for the first time ever publicly reveal who
was the culprit that did that to poor Harvey Green?

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
You guys are assholes for this.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
Question.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
All right, we'll go back. I'm gonna use your question
to start my answer. Okay, whose locker room you say
it was?

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
I said it was your locker room, okay, And.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
That was my shit or too. So his ass should
not have been in our shitter or my sitter. So
what happened was, as Juice knows, in the old facility,
you know where the cold tubs were correct. You gotta
walk past the bathroom to get to the cold tubs.
You need the cold tubs. Come back now. One thing

(01:06:50):
you always do, like okay, the clocks over and I
gotta finish the story. You bet. You gotta be careful.
You gotta be careful when you go take a go room,
take take a dump when you're in the football facility
like I always did it, not when the meeting starts,
but like small minutes in the meeting. It's safe because
everybody's in their meetings. There's no scragglers out there. No

(01:07:12):
one knows what's going on. No one can see you.
Because if you take a dump, like before practice, when
there's forty guys running around getting ready for practice, someone's
gonna see your feet, they're gonna see you the numbers
on your on your slides or something. And you're gonna
get something. You're gonna get water, You're gonna get ketch up,
You're gonna get honey. You can get something that's gonna
You're gonna you're gonna get water followed by powder. Something's
gonna get you so and you can't do anything. You

(01:07:32):
can't go you can do anything about it. I mean,
you're in the middle of it, in the middle around
your ankles. Maybe you have your keats on already because
you're about to gout to the practice, like you screwed.
So anyway, I'll forget what I I forget what I
was running back there for. But I happen to go
by the bathroom, and there ain't a whole lot of
things back there that you need. But we were about

(01:07:54):
to leave, like you said the bus about the leaving
the airport, and you hear noise in there, you know
somebody he's in there struggling. They're like grunting and struggling.
I'm like, like, damn, and I see because Harvey wore
a pair of shoes that very clearly are Harvey Greens.
That's what they call them. You got Jay's, you gotta
do this, and you got Harvey Greens. So he had

(01:08:15):
the Harvey's on. And I'm like, this dude is not
shitting in our shitter, like right now, all right, this
is wrong, all right? So yes, we got a bucket.
I'm gonna say we because I ain't gonna take all
the blame. We got a bucket, filled it up in
the cold tub, like I'm talking about, like thirty sixty
green water, and it was like spilling as we're walking,

(01:08:36):
and I'm like holding it away and had to let
it go over the fence. But not only did the
water go, but the whole trying to keep I'm trying
to keep my shoes out of water number one, and
I don't want you to see my shoes because you
can identify me by my shoes and their powers and j.
So I'm trying to keep everything out the way. So

(01:08:57):
instead of dumping the water, I was like, screw it.
The whole thing, got a bucket water everything, and he
lost it. He started screaming and oh my god, it
was there like it was probably wrong, the suit.

Speaker 6 (01:09:09):
Probably need to wash, probably need to wash, probably wrong,
it was probably I wish I wish cam Cameron was
into something that's but you know, it was probably wrong
to do with the Harvey.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
But it was great. It was great. And then I
ran the locker room and I sat. I sat down
in front of my locker and I was like, and
I could hear him yelling. He comes, he comes in
the locker room and it's tighty whities that that were
tight seventeen years ago. But there ain't no more man like.

(01:09:46):
And he's holding his suit right now, he's holding his
suit in his hand and it's just dripping, and he's
his He was just going off on everybody. I'm like, Harvey,
what happened? He was like someone threw water. I'm like,
that's mess. I was like hard, you know, we're leaving
like in five minutes. I know what He's like, run
out the locker room. I guess he let everybody know.

(01:10:06):
He was not very happy. It was a great moment.
You're gonna have to cut this whole story up a
little bit, and.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
I don't know how, but but at least we know
the answers that too many drills. He has been solid,
and that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Too many drew already won the game.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
But yeah, I got strip sacking, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
You know it works, but I got you know what,
Karma's karma is a bitch now because we went we
went to uh we went to London. Obviously we lost
the game and lost everything out year. But I got
out ran by Eli manning to the end zone for
a touchdown the goal line. So did messing around. That's
what happens.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
Yeah, you didn't say that you're about to do something
amazing before that play did you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
That was amazing too?

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
Getting out you did do something amazing. You got yeah,
Tad powers got your trouble many Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
Think we all chat powers. I think we all are
But this was the good trouble. This was great. This
was great stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
I know how much you have going on. Like for
years I've been telling people how busy you are, JT.
But that's just because I know that, Like you don't
want to do stuff because you'd rather be golfing or
fishing or something. But now you are legitimately busier than
anybody I know. Uh, And so from making the time
here for us is very meaningful juice. Maybe in another
five six years we'll get them back on if.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
We still have this.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
I love it man for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:11:28):
It's like, no matter what, it's always gonna be epic. Man,
this is another epic episode, Bro and JT. We appreciate you, man,
We really do. Your time is you know, is valuable
like a lot of guys, man, but you you spread it,
you spread it thin. You spread thinn right now. Bro,
So we appreciate you diving in man, Thanks for diving in. Jty, Sir,
I appreciate you guys having me. It is the absolute
best podcast, so I enjoyed. Keep doing what you're doing, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
You're now diving.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
Just like Jew said. Thanks for diving into the fish
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