December 13, 2024 • 17 mins
On this edition of the O-Zone Podcast John Oehser welcomes on rising Jaguars DB Jarrian Jones to share his perspective on rookie life in the NFL. Jarrian touches on the mental strength trials he's faced from bouncing back from mistakes to defending QB after the late hit on Trevor Lawrence in Week 13. Learn more about Jarrian Jones on this episode of the O-Zone Podcast.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And welcome into this week's ozone podcast. And this is
a familiar guest who we've talked to already as a rookie,
which is unusual, but I get the idea of the
Jaguars cornerback nickelback guy, Jarian Jones is a little bit
of an unusual guy for a rookie. First of all,
I appreciate you doing this during the season, and we
talked a little bit on the walk up here the
(00:20):
difference between Jarian Jones in April and we talked and
now it strikes me that you're learning the league and
learning it fast.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yeah, of course, I think from for my time being here,
I definitely I've gotten more comfortable than was obviously when
I first got here, you know, but I just think
everybody did a good job. But you know, not trying
to change me, you know, just kind of letting me
be who I am. You know, obviously you know what
I'm saying. Like sometimes going in situations, it's sometimes you
got a critique, you know what I'm saying, the way
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you do things, go about things, you know what I'm saying.
But I think you know what I'm saying, Everyone here
did a good job and embrace me, and you know
what I'm saying, just letting me be.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Me strikes me and rep you apologize. Even even talking
to you at first, even going through training camp, Uh,
you never seem to lack confidence. Were you hiding it well?
Or were you always confident coming through a meeting? I
guess were you portraying yourself confident when you weren't or
(01:20):
were you always confident through the process.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
No, I've always like I've always you know what I'm saying,
I've always been kind. Yeah, I've always been confident, you
know what I'm saying. Uh, Like I always believe, like
you know I'm saying, ain't nobody come and save you?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
You know what I'm saying. You got dig yourself about it.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Whatever, So it's always been like I always felt like
it was me versus like the world. You know what
I'm saying, And I'm perfectly fine with going against anybody
or about anything that I believe in, you know what
I'm saying. So like, it's always just been like, you
know what I'm saying. I always got me. I need
nobody else to have me.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
How is your Uh?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Overall, we'll get to the sack in a minute, because
the sack, that's a big deal for a corner. But overall,
how would you that's your season? Where are you at
in terms of where you want to be right now?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
I feel like there's a lot of I got a
lot of things that I can you know what I'm saying. Obviously,
hone in on and come into your two better. But
that and that's also me being my biggest critic, you
know what I'm saying, Me always being the hardest on myself,
you know. But I definitely feel like having a good
rookie years that My rookiear has been pretty good. You know,
I've learned a lot, I've been putting a lot of
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different situations within the games, you know. So, I mean,
you know what I'm saying, I definite feel like I'm
having a good rookie year, you know. So I just
want to keep building on it, building on it, you
know what I'm saying. Try to come back whenever the
season does and and make my sophomore year one of
the best of it.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
This will be a topic I'm sure for you next
year too. But they always talk about the games slowing
down in your second year. Can you see how that
will be meaning starting to slow down now, But can
you see how much better you might be second year
just based on what you've learned right now?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
You know?
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Definitely, I definitely could see it because in my rookie year,
through the weeks, like when we won two week two three,
it slowed down. Like I look back and I watched
like during about week I watched some games from like
week three, week four, and then I went and watched
some games from like we eight, nine, ten, and it
was just like, oh, I see the difference in how
I played, what I've learned, and how much it slowed down.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Now I know you just got out of open locker room.
So he talked a little bit about it. But walk
me through the sack. How many sacks have you had
in your overall career?
Speaker 4 (03:35):
First of all, was that one of.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
The first NAH When I was in college, I think
I had three or four sacks. I definitely was getting
to the coreer. I blitzed a lot more like when
I was in college. But it's my first one in
the league, and I think coach Coach had been trying
to get me going like blitzing.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
You know what I'm saying. A lot more and.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
It's just the call just never lyned up, which looked
that we had got for me to be the one
in the blitz, you know what I'm saying. So we
just finally got the look and then line up perfect
with me being in the blitz.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
And uh that was my first one of the games.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
So I was like, and I had and I had
just got the PBu so I was like, and we
needed like a big play, right, So when I got
in the blitz, I was like, Off, I'm gonna get there.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Okay, Now I take me through the move. I heard
you say in the locker room. You don't have that
many moves.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Yeah, I ain't.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I ain't got I ain't got that many moves. But
like I know, like once I'm going, Like I'm a big,
like reactionary guy, so like when I get there, I
know exactly what I'm gonna do. You know, you have
a move in your head or whatever, but like all
they go out the window, like when it's bullets flying,
you know what I'm saying. So like I just running.
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That was that was my reaction, Like I send him
throw the arm out, and my reaction was to get
under it.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Now, a game like that as a rookie. I've seen
a lot of veterans not have games like that. You
have two PPUs in the fourth quarter, you have a sack,
You've been gaining confidence. But what can a game like
that where you sort of make key plays key players
the game? What does that do in terms of telling you, Hey,
(05:11):
I belong here, I can do this, and I can
keep doing it.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I've always felt like I belonged like I definitely always
felt like I belonged to But that.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Game, like within itself just kind of.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Unless you know, like okay, like you definitely can like
are going to be one of those one definitely because
I'm not really into it. I'm not in this to
kind of be like I don't want to be the
highest paid this. I'm not in it to be you
know what I'm saying, Like, I'm not in it to
be uh like the like any of the small stuff,
like I want to be the best, like to do
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it like I want to be. Like my goal was
never to get to the NFL, Like I knew that
was going to happen, like once I you know what
I'm saying, I supposed to do Like as long as
I did, I was supposed to do. I was gonna
get to lead. My goal is like to be the best.
I want to be the best at not just nickel corner.
Say that I want to be the best like dB
period like I want. I don't want to be claimed
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as a he's a nickel like I want to be.
He is an asset like wherever he is on the defense,
we have to look for him to be above that. Yes,
that's what I want to be.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
So my question, man, I make any sense in that regard,
But do you see yourself as a nickel or an
outside or is it more what you just told me
that I guess you see yourself as being able to
play no matter where they ask you to play.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, I see myself as a piece, like I am
a piece of the defense. Like when they create the
X factors for man in mind should be like it
should just say different, right, like I could do anything.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
That's those are the type of things I work.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I work on everything like I want to be the
best at everything.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Coaches players tell me over the years that nickel is
one of the more misunderstood positions outside because it really
is something getting there. Everybody considers outside corner like the
plays right, But Nickel has to be aware, has to
be a football player, meaning you have to know what's
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going on in front of you, behind you, you have
to be aware of what's going on in the field.
It strikes me from watching you play that that's what
makes you very comfortable at Nickel, is that you're a
football player meaning awareness. You see guys who are athletes,
guys who are football players. Do you agree with that assessment?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, I think my best asset is just like instincts
and just playing fast. I think in Nickel, Okay, your
Nickel has to be you're one of your best cover guys,
has to be one of your best tackles. He has
to be one of your smartest guys in the defense.
He has no defense inside and that right, So I
think your Nickel blitz he has to be one like
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your nickel is basically every position that you have on
defense in one person. That's basically what it is. You
know what I'm saying. So I think me being a
Nigglas just lets me put all of my talents like
on display, Like I was, I can go play corner,
like sure, I would love to go play corner, like
that's cool, But like I also want to go back
and play Nickel too, you know what I'm saying, Because
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at Corner it's just like, are they gonna throw it
out there? They may throw it out there, they may
not throw it out there, or whatever it may be.
You might you might go ten players and not be
involved at all. But at Nickel, out of those ten plays,
six of them am involved in.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
You know what I'm saying. On the fourth that I'm not,
they ran the ball oppositways to the boundary or something
like that.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
You can get bored on the outside.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yeah, you could definitely get bored on the outside. You
could go You literally can go first quart.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Second quarter, third quarter, not one ball through at you,
and get one ball through at you, and that's your
game right there, right don't I can't play like that?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah, even at three and ten. And I didn't mean
to bring up the record, but just thinking, I'm sitting
here talking to you, watching you play. You're really embracing this,
aren't you. You You're having fun with it no matter what's
going on elsewhere.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Am I reading that right?
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Yeah? I'm definitely.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah, I'm enjoying the process of what's going on. You know,
like we may be three and ten as a team
or whatever. But the challenge in the journey of trying
to turn it around and bring it back, that's what
I'm enjoying because, you know what I'm saying, it's gonna
be hard. Like I get frustrated to days, you know
what I'm saying, obvious to be three and ten, Like
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we lose, and nobody likes to lose, you know what
I'm saying, So I get frustrated. But like the challenge
of trying to turn it around. I think, like that's like,
that's what's kind of you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
And it's been a month, so I hate to bring
it up. But the way you handle the Saquon play
was so impressive to me because as a young kid
coming into the league, he turns in this great play.
Everybody's seen it. It's gonna be a highlight, and your.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Approach with is, hey, the guys, he's great.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
He's gonna do that to anybody. You just didn't let
it bother you, and you just kind of said, that's
what's gonna happen in this league. There was a maturity
about the way you handled it, and I guess you
just handled it.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Because you're the way you are. But I guess talking
through how you approach that.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I mean, it wasn't.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
A big deal for it.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah, I ain't really feel no way about it because
I'm in the NFL and I feel like he's the league.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I feel like I'm the league, you know what I'm saying.
So he made a play.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Hey, there's a reason he's here, and there's a reason
he is exactly who he is, you know.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
But there's a reason I'm exactly who I am. So
I can't let myself down about you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
What he just did. He's who he is.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
So in turn, I'm gonna come back and make my
play because I am who I am. So that's how
I thought about it. I mean, he just made a
play close to him, great play. I'm gonna make my players.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
And it's kind of how you have to be here
to play defense in this league, right.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Especially dB, especially dB, you know, like the like it's
the offensive league, you know what I'm saying these days.
So I mean, to play dB, especially, you got to
have like short memory like you got.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
He made a catchpoon next place it got to be
is what it is gotcha.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Now.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
The final thing I bring up the fight, and the
reason I bring it up is it struck me that again,
you're the kind of guy who is not going to
stand on the sidelines in that situation. Uh, You're gonna
be involved with it. You're gonna be about your team.
And that's really I mean you obviously weren't the only
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one to come off the bench, but it's just kind
of who you are, right.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, I'm like, I'm definitely like a pro my guys
type of guy. You get what I'm saying, Like, I'm
always for my guys. You know what I'm saying. So
you know, I'm like, I stand by this. It's like
I'm always for you. I'm always like once we got
that bond or connection like my teammates, like, I'm.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Always for you and I'm always be for you.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
The only thing that could ever message I'm not listen
to nobody else want to come to my guys or
nobody outside. I don't listen to none of that. But
the only thing that can mess with me and your
bond is for you to do something green.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Right.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
And when I say green is just y'all, no green.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Mean I'm fifty eight.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Green, It's just kind of like like Green is just
kind of like when you do something kind of like
against what me and you got going on, you know
what I'm saying, Like Green is like.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Yeah, yeah, you gotta use it, you gotta green. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
But like I'm like a pro my guy type of
like type of persons, like once once I got bunds,
like we really locked in for.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
You mentioned it earlier, and it struck me. You want
to be around and part of the reason this thing
turns around, don't you.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
That's something you're thinking about for sure.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Talk me through that. How much does that mean to you?
Speaker 3 (13:03):
I mean a lot.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
When I was at I went through something similar at
Florida State. When I was at Fort State. When I
first got to four State, we weren't really too high, you
know what I'm saying. Everybody said what they had to say.
Everybody switched on this change on us, you know what
I'm saying. But we just kept turning and kept turning
and kept going, you know what I'm saying. Then we
turned it around, you know.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
So like I really know what it felt like, you
know what I'm saying, to be from like from the bottom,
Like I'm from Mississippi, so like I don't know if
you ever been in Mississippi but a couple times. Yeah,
So you know, like I'm really from the dirty you
know what I'm saying, So like I really know what
being down and I really mean you know what I'm saying,
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We got something you.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Like the process of being the guy who posed up.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
You see what I'm saying, Like we got something here,
you know what I'm saying. So like, regardless of what
anybody got to say, or what anybody saying on whatever,
whatever it got to be.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
You know what I'm saying, Like, I know what we
could be. You know what I'm saying. We know what
we could be. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
And it's on us to turn around, like it's gonna
be hard, Like life is hard, you know what I'm saying,
Just choose your hard.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
You know what I'm saying. I'd rather dis hard than
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Something else is like I'm this is where I'm at.
I am with my feet off and I'm ready.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I want to do somebody or you're getting the idea
that you know, fans the right me, they're starting to
connect with you a little bit.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
You like.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
You're trying to become a popular guy with the fans
and and sort of a symbol of what it might be.
Are you sensing that at all?
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Do you like that I don't have a social media
like I only have Instagram, Like I don't have foot
like that, you know what I'm saying, So I wouldn't know,
you know what I'm saying about that, But like if
they if the fans were rocking with me or were
weren't rock you can't let that be Like that won't
really like, yeah, that won't really affect me. But if
they are, Like you know what I'm saying, I love
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the jazz duval, Like you know what I'm saying, where
you want to be, This is where I wanted to be,
Like I'm pro all of that, but if they weren't,
I would still be produ pro jazz pro, you know
what I'm saying, pro every change, Like, like my mind
is to win.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Keep knocking down them blocks.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
The final thing before we close up. We call it
the O zone five. We did it before. Uh, what
was your last binge watch?
Speaker 3 (15:15):
If you have a binge watch, my last Ben's watch.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I've been watching Uh, ye'all probably won't know what this is,
but it's called South Central Baddies.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Okay, what's that on?
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
It's on now That's TV. It's like just a bunch
of like females on there and there and a lot
of they fight like they be fighting on the but
like I watched it because like they really be standing
on the moors on their principals and like like it's
more of like a respect thing, you know what I'm saying,
Like they be fighting on that and like it's another
show on Zeus. It's called Baddi's Midwest. I've been watching
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that a lot too.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
It's a lot of conflict, like a lot of conflict.
Like I'm into like stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Yeah, what's your pregame song?
Speaker 3 (16:03):
My pre game song right now is gonna my soul?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
You know what I'm saying. Kind of like to go out.
Everybody like to listen like Murder, Murder, Kill Kill music
before the game. Like I ain't really like I listened
to that during the week, like on game day, like
like on game that I like to like chill, like
I like to be vibing.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
So okay, that song just kind of be having me
in my mood.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
I got you sack or pick, oh pick.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Every time at the DV. I'm gonna stay sack because
not many dvs getting sack.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Getting that all okay? Uh.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Sport other than football that you could have been good at.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
I think I would have been a mean outfielder in baseball.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Okay, now you played some right, Nah.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Growing up, I ain't really play no.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Sports other than football and football. I tried to play basketball,
but it conflicted with football, so I was.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Like not playing basketball.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
And like when I was super super super young, probably
like eight nine, I probably tried to go out and
play like T ball or something like that. I got
hitting the nose or the baseball. I was like, yeah,
it's over.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Your best football moment.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
My best football moment from twenty three fourth State when
we won the AC championship.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
So Joan, I knew I'd enjoy this. I think fans
are enjoying the chance to get to know you this year.
Look forward to working with your future and thank you
for joining those on podcast as well.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Yes, sir, appreciation, Thank you
And welcome into this week's ozone podcast. And this is
a familiar guest who we've talked to already as a rookie,
which is unusual, but I get the idea of the
Jaguars cornerback nickelback guy, Jarian Jones is a little bit
of an unusual guy for a rookie. First of all,
I appreciate you doing this during the season, and we
talked a little bit on the walk up here the
(00:20):
difference between Jarian Jones in April and we talked and
now it strikes me that you're learning the league and
learning it fast.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yeah, of course, I think from for my time being here,
I definitely I've gotten more comfortable than was obviously when
I first got here, you know, but I just think
everybody did a good job. But you know, not trying
to change me, you know, just kind of letting me
be who I am. You know, obviously you know what
I'm saying. Like sometimes going in situations, it's sometimes you
got a critique, you know what I'm saying, the way
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you do things, go about things, you know what I'm saying.
But I think you know what I'm saying, Everyone here
did a good job and embrace me, and you know
what I'm saying, just letting me be.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Me strikes me and rep you apologize. Even even talking
to you at first, even going through training camp, Uh,
you never seem to lack confidence. Were you hiding it well?
Or were you always confident coming through a meeting? I
guess were you portraying yourself confident when you weren't or
(01:20):
were you always confident through the process.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
No, I've always like I've always you know what I'm saying,
I've always been kind. Yeah, I've always been confident, you
know what I'm saying. Uh, Like I always believe, like
you know I'm saying, ain't nobody come and save you?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
You know what I'm saying. You got dig yourself about it.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Whatever, So it's always been like I always felt like
it was me versus like the world. You know what
I'm saying, And I'm perfectly fine with going against anybody
or about anything that I believe in, you know what
I'm saying. So like, it's always just been like, you
know what I'm saying. I always got me. I need
nobody else to have me.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
How is your Uh?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Overall, we'll get to the sack in a minute, because
the sack, that's a big deal for a corner. But overall,
how would you that's your season? Where are you at
in terms of where you want to be right now?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
I feel like there's a lot of I got a
lot of things that I can you know what I'm saying. Obviously,
hone in on and come into your two better. But
that and that's also me being my biggest critic, you
know what I'm saying, Me always being the hardest on myself,
you know. But I definitely feel like having a good
rookie years that My rookiear has been pretty good. You know,
I've learned a lot, I've been putting a lot of
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different situations within the games, you know. So, I mean,
you know what I'm saying, I definite feel like I'm
having a good rookie year, you know. So I just
want to keep building on it, building on it, you
know what I'm saying. Try to come back whenever the
season does and and make my sophomore year one of
the best of it.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
This will be a topic I'm sure for you next
year too. But they always talk about the games slowing
down in your second year. Can you see how that
will be meaning starting to slow down now, But can
you see how much better you might be second year
just based on what you've learned right now?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
You know?
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Definitely, I definitely could see it because in my rookie year,
through the weeks, like when we won two week two three,
it slowed down. Like I look back and I watched
like during about week I watched some games from like
week three, week four, and then I went and watched
some games from like we eight, nine, ten, and it
was just like, oh, I see the difference in how
I played, what I've learned, and how much it slowed down.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Now I know you just got out of open locker room.
So he talked a little bit about it. But walk
me through the sack. How many sacks have you had
in your overall career?
Speaker 4 (03:35):
First of all, was that one of.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
The first NAH When I was in college, I think
I had three or four sacks. I definitely was getting
to the coreer. I blitzed a lot more like when
I was in college. But it's my first one in
the league, and I think coach Coach had been trying
to get me going like blitzing.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
You know what I'm saying. A lot more and.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
It's just the call just never lyned up, which looked
that we had got for me to be the one
in the blitz, you know what I'm saying. So we
just finally got the look and then line up perfect
with me being in the blitz.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
And uh that was my first one of the games.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
So I was like, and I had and I had
just got the PBu so I was like, and we
needed like a big play, right, So when I got
in the blitz, I was like, Off, I'm gonna get there.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Okay, Now I take me through the move. I heard
you say in the locker room. You don't have that
many moves.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Yeah, I ain't.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I ain't got I ain't got that many moves. But
like I know, like once I'm going, Like I'm a big,
like reactionary guy, so like when I get there, I
know exactly what I'm gonna do. You know, you have
a move in your head or whatever, but like all
they go out the window, like when it's bullets flying,
you know what I'm saying. So like I just running.
(04:44):
That was that was my reaction, Like I send him
throw the arm out, and my reaction was to get
under it.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Now, a game like that as a rookie. I've seen
a lot of veterans not have games like that. You
have two PPUs in the fourth quarter, you have a sack,
You've been gaining confidence. But what can a game like
that where you sort of make key plays key players
the game? What does that do in terms of telling you, Hey,
(05:11):
I belong here, I can do this, and I can
keep doing it.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I've always felt like I belonged like I definitely always
felt like I belonged to But that.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Game, like within itself just kind of.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Unless you know, like okay, like you definitely can like
are going to be one of those one definitely because
I'm not really into it. I'm not in this to
kind of be like I don't want to be the
highest paid this. I'm not in it to be you
know what I'm saying, Like, I'm not in it to
be uh like the like any of the small stuff,
like I want to be the best, like to do
(05:48):
it like I want to be. Like my goal was
never to get to the NFL, Like I knew that
was going to happen, like once I you know what
I'm saying, I supposed to do Like as long as
I did, I was supposed to do. I was gonna
get to lead. My goal is like to be the best.
I want to be the best at not just nickel corner.
Say that I want to be the best like dB
period like I want. I don't want to be claimed
(06:11):
as a he's a nickel like I want to be.
He is an asset like wherever he is on the defense,
we have to look for him to be above that. Yes,
that's what I want to be.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
So my question, man, I make any sense in that regard,
But do you see yourself as a nickel or an
outside or is it more what you just told me
that I guess you see yourself as being able to
play no matter where they ask you to play.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, I see myself as a piece, like I am
a piece of the defense. Like when they create the
X factors for man in mind should be like it
should just say different, right, like I could do anything.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
That's those are the type of things I work.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I work on everything like I want to be the
best at everything.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Coaches players tell me over the years that nickel is
one of the more misunderstood positions outside because it really
is something getting there. Everybody considers outside corner like the
plays right, But Nickel has to be aware, has to
be a football player, meaning you have to know what's
(07:19):
going on in front of you, behind you, you have
to be aware of what's going on in the field.
It strikes me from watching you play that that's what
makes you very comfortable at Nickel, is that you're a
football player meaning awareness. You see guys who are athletes,
guys who are football players. Do you agree with that assessment?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, I think my best asset is just like instincts
and just playing fast. I think in Nickel, Okay, your
Nickel has to be you're one of your best cover guys,
has to be one of your best tackles. He has
to be one of your smartest guys in the defense.
He has no defense inside and that right, So I
think your Nickel blitz he has to be one like
(07:58):
your nickel is basically every position that you have on
defense in one person. That's basically what it is. You
know what I'm saying. So I think me being a
Nigglas just lets me put all of my talents like
on display, Like I was, I can go play corner,
like sure, I would love to go play corner, like
that's cool, But like I also want to go back
and play Nickel too, you know what I'm saying, Because
(08:18):
at Corner it's just like, are they gonna throw it
out there? They may throw it out there, they may
not throw it out there, or whatever it may be.
You might you might go ten players and not be
involved at all. But at Nickel, out of those ten plays,
six of them am involved in.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
You know what I'm saying. On the fourth that I'm not,
they ran the ball oppositways to the boundary or something
like that.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
You can get bored on the outside.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yeah, you could definitely get bored on the outside. You
could go You literally can go first quart.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Second quarter, third quarter, not one ball through at you,
and get one ball through at you, and that's your
game right there, right don't I can't play like that?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah, even at three and ten. And I didn't mean
to bring up the record, but just thinking, I'm sitting
here talking to you, watching you play. You're really embracing this,
aren't you. You You're having fun with it no matter what's
going on elsewhere.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Am I reading that right?
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Yeah? I'm definitely.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah, I'm enjoying the process of what's going on. You know,
like we may be three and ten as a team
or whatever. But the challenge in the journey of trying
to turn it around and bring it back, that's what
I'm enjoying because, you know what I'm saying, it's gonna
be hard. Like I get frustrated to days, you know
what I'm saying, obvious to be three and ten, Like
(09:29):
we lose, and nobody likes to lose, you know what
I'm saying, So I get frustrated. But like the challenge
of trying to turn it around. I think, like that's like,
that's what's kind of you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
And it's been a month, so I hate to bring
it up. But the way you handle the Saquon play
was so impressive to me because as a young kid
coming into the league, he turns in this great play.
Everybody's seen it. It's gonna be a highlight, and your.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Approach with is, hey, the guys, he's great.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
He's gonna do that to anybody. You just didn't let
it bother you, and you just kind of said, that's
what's gonna happen in this league. There was a maturity
about the way you handled it, and I guess you
just handled it.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Because you're the way you are. But I guess talking
through how you approach that.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I mean, it wasn't.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
A big deal for it.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah, I ain't really feel no way about it because
I'm in the NFL and I feel like he's the league.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I feel like I'm the league, you know what I'm saying.
So he made a play.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Hey, there's a reason he's here, and there's a reason
he is exactly who he is, you know.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
But there's a reason I'm exactly who I am. So
I can't let myself down about you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
What he just did. He's who he is.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
So in turn, I'm gonna come back and make my
play because I am who I am. So that's how
I thought about it. I mean, he just made a
play close to him, great play. I'm gonna make my players.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
And it's kind of how you have to be here
to play defense in this league, right.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Especially dB, especially dB, you know, like the like it's
the offensive league, you know what I'm saying these days.
So I mean, to play dB, especially, you got to
have like short memory like you got.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
He made a catchpoon next place it got to be
is what it is gotcha.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Now.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
The final thing I bring up the fight, and the
reason I bring it up is it struck me that again,
you're the kind of guy who is not going to
stand on the sidelines in that situation. Uh, You're gonna
be involved with it. You're gonna be about your team.
And that's really I mean you obviously weren't the only
(11:42):
one to come off the bench, but it's just kind
of who you are, right.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, I'm like, I'm definitely like a pro my guys
type of guy. You get what I'm saying, Like, I'm
always for my guys. You know what I'm saying. So
you know, I'm like, I stand by this. It's like
I'm always for you. I'm always like once we got
that bond or connection like my teammates, like, I'm.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Always for you and I'm always be for you.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
The only thing that could ever message I'm not listen
to nobody else want to come to my guys or
nobody outside. I don't listen to none of that. But
the only thing that can mess with me and your
bond is for you to do something green.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Right.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
And when I say green is just y'all, no green.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Mean I'm fifty eight.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Green, It's just kind of like like Green is just
kind of like when you do something kind of like
against what me and you got going on, you know
what I'm saying, Like Green is like.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Yeah, yeah, you gotta use it, you gotta green. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
But like I'm like a pro my guy type of
like type of persons, like once once I got bunds,
like we really locked in for.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
You mentioned it earlier, and it struck me. You want
to be around and part of the reason this thing
turns around, don't you.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
That's something you're thinking about for sure.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Talk me through that. How much does that mean to you?
Speaker 3 (13:03):
I mean a lot.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
When I was at I went through something similar at
Florida State. When I was at Fort State. When I
first got to four State, we weren't really too high, you
know what I'm saying. Everybody said what they had to say.
Everybody switched on this change on us, you know what
I'm saying. But we just kept turning and kept turning
and kept going, you know what I'm saying. Then we
turned it around, you know.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
So like I really know what it felt like, you
know what I'm saying, to be from like from the bottom,
Like I'm from Mississippi, so like I don't know if
you ever been in Mississippi but a couple times. Yeah,
So you know, like I'm really from the dirty you
know what I'm saying, So like I really know what
being down and I really mean you know what I'm saying,
(13:41):
We got something you.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Like the process of being the guy who posed up.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
You see what I'm saying, Like we got something here,
you know what I'm saying. So like, regardless of what
anybody got to say, or what anybody saying on whatever,
whatever it got to be.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
You know what I'm saying, Like, I know what we
could be. You know what I'm saying. We know what
we could be. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
And it's on us to turn around, like it's gonna
be hard, Like life is hard, you know what I'm saying,
Just choose your hard.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
You know what I'm saying. I'd rather dis hard than
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Something else is like I'm this is where I'm at.
I am with my feet off and I'm ready.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I want to do somebody or you're getting the idea
that you know, fans the right me, they're starting to
connect with you a little bit.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
You like.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
You're trying to become a popular guy with the fans
and and sort of a symbol of what it might be.
Are you sensing that at all?
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Do you like that I don't have a social media
like I only have Instagram, Like I don't have foot
like that, you know what I'm saying, So I wouldn't know,
you know what I'm saying about that, But like if
they if the fans were rocking with me or were
weren't rock you can't let that be Like that won't
really like, yeah, that won't really affect me. But if
they are, Like you know what I'm saying, I love
(14:49):
the jazz duval, Like you know what I'm saying, where
you want to be, This is where I wanted to be,
Like I'm pro all of that, but if they weren't,
I would still be produ pro jazz pro, you know
what I'm saying, pro every change, Like, like my mind
is to win.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Keep knocking down them blocks.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
The final thing before we close up. We call it
the O zone five. We did it before. Uh, what
was your last binge watch?
Speaker 3 (15:15):
If you have a binge watch, my last Ben's watch.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I've been watching Uh, ye'all probably won't know what this is,
but it's called South Central Baddies.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Okay, what's that on?
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
It's on now That's TV. It's like just a bunch
of like females on there and there and a lot
of they fight like they be fighting on the but
like I watched it because like they really be standing
on the moors on their principals and like like it's
more of like a respect thing, you know what I'm saying,
Like they be fighting on that and like it's another
show on Zeus. It's called Baddi's Midwest. I've been watching
(15:54):
that a lot too.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
It's a lot of conflict, like a lot of conflict.
Like I'm into like stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Yeah, what's your pregame song?
Speaker 3 (16:03):
My pre game song right now is gonna my soul?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
You know what I'm saying. Kind of like to go out.
Everybody like to listen like Murder, Murder, Kill Kill music
before the game. Like I ain't really like I listened
to that during the week, like on game day, like
like on game that I like to like chill, like
I like to be vibing.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
So okay, that song just kind of be having me
in my mood.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
I got you sack or pick, oh pick.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Every time at the DV. I'm gonna stay sack because
not many dvs getting sack.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Getting that all okay? Uh.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Sport other than football that you could have been good at.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
I think I would have been a mean outfielder in baseball.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Okay, now you played some right, Nah.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Growing up, I ain't really play no.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Sports other than football and football. I tried to play basketball,
but it conflicted with football, so I was.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Like not playing basketball.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
And like when I was super super super young, probably
like eight nine, I probably tried to go out and
play like T ball or something like that. I got
hitting the nose or the baseball. I was like, yeah,
it's over.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Your best football moment.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
My best football moment from twenty three fourth State when
we won the AC championship.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
So Joan, I knew I'd enjoy this. I think fans
are enjoying the chance to get to know you this year.
Look forward to working with your future and thank you
for joining those on podcast as well.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Yes, sir, appreciation, Thank you
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