May 2, 2025 • 31 mins
Jaguars Senior Writer John Oehser sits with General Manager James Gladstone to debrief on the 2025 NFL Draft. Gladstone shares why they had the guts to move up for Travis Hunter and the underlying intentions that guided how the entire draft class was built. He defines criteria for 'Jaguars DNA' and expands on how football leadership intends to have a transformational impact on the Jaguars franchise. All this and more on the O-Zone Podcast.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, welcome into this week's ozone podcast. And I'm
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excited about this guest, and I think all Jaguars fans
will be excited about this guest. We've gotten to know
him a little bit over the gosh two months that
he's been here. But a huge weekend, as coach Liam
Cohen called it, his super Bowl last weekend. Jaguars general
manager James Gladstone, thanks for.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Doing this, James, I appreciate you guys having me on.
This will be a blast.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I have a litany of questions, but the first one
I think is what everybody's asking. Where did you get
the guts to make that pick?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Oh? You know what, Travis Hunter? Right, he's a rare player, right,
rare person.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
You know.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I think that combination, in some way, shape or form
makes it fairly easy.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Right.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
But at the same time, obviously I understand the gravity
of a decision to that magnitude, right, It's not without
careful thought, careful consideration, and you know, a collective buy
in and the work from our scouting staff, our coaching staff,
and even our support staff and the lead up to
that decision to ensure that we had a very clear
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vision for Travis was something we had to work through,
and obviously that took a coordinated effort, and you know,
to date, really happy with the way things have played
out specific to the draft, and look forward to getting
all those draft picks and the young draft of college
free agents in the building and began acclimating with the
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current team and seeing all that come to life for.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
People who are listening. I'm not going to get knee
deep into the mechanics of the trade because a lot
of that will be in the hunt, which your administration, Bisselli,
Cohen and yourself have really opened the franchise up to
allowing fans to see the process. I'm curious how important
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that is to you. Just as much as possible to
let the fans know what's going on, because this is
pretty groundbreaking what you're allowing.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
You know what I actually first and foremost, I think
for our fan base, we want to give you clarity
and familiarity with how we move and once you all
to understand the why behind it and see it come
to life on the grass and make it so it's
something that you guys are all proud to support, proud
to back. And I think beyond that, it's not all
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that undifferent to what I'm used to. When I was
with the Los Angeles RAMS, I was the primary point
of contact between our scouting staff and the content team
and what was being put out, etc. And you know,
being in Hollywood, so to speak, entertainment capital, right, we
understood that this is an entertainment business, and for our
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fan base here in Jacksonville, want to make sure that
that access is in fact granted in a way that doesn't,
you know, give us any sort of, you know, concern
about maintaining competitive advantage, but also provides you all with
understanding for.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Those who don't know it. In the twenties, Jacksonville was
the silent film capital of the world. Maybe that's the
there it is. Maybe that's the connection. I almost hesitate
to ask this because after being around you for a
couple of months I don't think of you as as
a quote thirty four year old general manager, but people
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listening to this I think still sort of see that number.
How at a relatively young age, your command and your
presence of running an organization and a system as complex
as the draft, how do you be ready for that
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at a relatively young age and a new situation if
you follow me, does that make sense or sure?
Speaker 3 (03:41):
I think there's probably a lot of layers there, and
I probably won't do a justice here in the setting
to work through it. But you know, I genuinely believe
that I wasn't given this opportunity for anything that I
did solely on my own. And I think as I
think back to, you know, my my peers and my
mentors specifically there with the Rams, you know, I think
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they played a large hand in where I am and
how I move.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I think earlier than that, right, so.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Many of the folks that I leaned on growing up,
whether it was my you know, my siblings, or my friends,
my parents, my close family, you know, they play a
big role in that as well. And you know, I
think that goes for so many people, right that they
don't get to where they're at alone. And you know,
as I apply that now to here in Jacksonville, we
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have a dynamic, connected leadership group between Tony, Liam, myself,
and we have a support system now amongst our staff
who is interested in moving in the direction that we've
sort of set ahead and so looking forward to seeing
that all take shape here. And to go back to
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your original question, I probably can't do it Justice just
a quick podcast, but.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
It's probably a five or six podcast.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Questions about that.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
One thing that has struck me that I don't know
if I expected, because I don't know how you would
expect it without sort of seeing you operate. I've been
around a lot of gms and a lot of coaches.
You embrace it and have fun with it more than
most guys I've been around, Meaning you sort of knew
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that this was a big pick and you don't mind
coming into an interview and saying, hey, this might transform
the lead and you know the game on and you're
having fun with it. Not that you don't take it
seriously because I was a serious guy. But am I
reading that element right that this is there's a fun
side of this too for you?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (05:46):
I think you know honestly, it's probably part of the
reason why I was drawn to Travis. The way that
Travis operates, He does so with a level of enthusiasm
and joy, knowing that he's doing something that brings him
fulfillment playing the sport of football no different is that
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for me in the world of scouting, player evaluation and
engineering team dynamics, that those are fulfilling elements for me,
and I want that reflected in the way that I operate,
and I think that's by showing a level of excitement
and joy along the way in the process. This is football,
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it's not built to be a boardroom. And obviously, in
the same breath, right when I've spoken about Travis in
the past, there's this level of deep rooted thoughtfulness and
maturity that lies beneath the surface, and for me, that's
something I've always I've always been someone who thinks deeply
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and carefully and deliberately, and I think that those things
somehow work in combination. But at the same time, as
I begin getting integrated with our staff that exists here
on site, they have shown a level of grace, humility,
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and excitement enthusiasm in the way that they're operating, and
I think that that just stimulates that for a group
and for a building, and so the fact that it's happening,
you know, outside of just.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
The way that I'm moving.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Obviously, we hope that Travis brings that energy to the
rookie class and that people Travis is able to absorb
that from others. But nonetheless, it's it's been cool to
see that take shape because obviously with change, uh, the
uncertainty that comes with change, that can that can lead
to people tightening up. And over the course of the
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last two months amongst our staff, it's been really I've
been really grateful at how quickly they've opened up.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
So, as you said, that doesn't happen, it doesn't have
to happen, and it doesn't always happen to talking to
Sally Monday or Tuesday and your name came up and
he said, you know what people may not understand is
he's a competitive bleep. Do you think of yourself as
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as competitive? And does that sort of is that one
of the threads that defines you you think?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
You know? I like the question.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
I've always I've always tried to have an outward shell
that's poised and calm that that's come with, you know,
having moments where I didn't quite put that on. Well,
I don't know if that was or showing the emotions,
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so whether good, bad and high low in between, you know.
So I've certainly experienced the range of outward facing emotions
and things like that, so I shouldn't even I don't
want it to ever come off like I have this
ultimate poise or something along those because that's not it.
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I go through the range of all emotions and when
it comes to competing, right, Internally, I have an extreme
fire and an extreme passion for the sport of football
and engineering team dynamics. But externally I do project an
attempt to project it as a conscious effort, grace and
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end poise, which that's practice that's been practiced over time, right,
And I've had to if that's my standard, failed not
met that standard multiple times.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
In order, and I know that I'll fail in the future. Right.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
There's likely to be a moment that I don't come
through in a way that I would want to come through,
and there will be moments where I'm proud of it.
But that's certainly something I'm conscious.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Of when I say, after two months, when I say, Biselli,
what does that mean to you?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Oh gosh, it means a whole lot. So I think
I said it when fresh off the hiring. It's like
I got to imagine that every candidate that walked through
the door and sat down with the committee walked out saying, man,
he's somebody I want to be in the bunker with.
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And that has truly shown itself over the last two
months and you know, working in tandem with him and Liam,
it has been in absolute joy. And those two guys
are infectious the way that they talk about the sport itself,
talk about the dynamics that exist, and work through it
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in such a collaborative manner. I couldn't be more thankful today,
and look forward for those relationships continuing to grow because
you know both of them are they're attacking those relationships.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
It's it's two ways.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
And you know, earning trust it takes, it takes time,
but you know, at each of these sort of moments
on the timeline so far, it offers that opportunity and
and I look forward to the ones that lie on
the horizon and I'm you know, ecstatic about the few
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that have happened so far, but looking forward to what
comes next.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
You touched on Liam a little bit, but at head
coach GM relationship is so important. Yeah, I guess, just
what's been your biggest impression or anything you've learned after
two months? Maybe you didn't know coming in any anything
stand out.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
You know, I don't know if it's it fits the
bill for something I didn't know coming in, but something
you know, I've been really happy to see is the
standards that Liam has for players, coaches and staff and
ensuring that those are in fact followed up on right.
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It can be easy, I think, especially this day and
age too. You know, coddle and cater to and and
he has a standard. Yeah, some people might say that,
but this is professional sports. This is going to be
a franchise that we intend to make a premiere, uh
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sort of spotlight, and it requires attention to detail and
setting a standard and ensuring that is in fact being met.
And Liam doesn't play and and that's been something that
I've been really excited to see in action.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Got you anybody who talks to you is always struck
by your clarity communication. We've talked about a little bit.
My thought since you've gotten here is maybe an appreciation
of how important that is as a general manager to
be able to communicate to the entire building, the entire structure.
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And the phrase I've always used is you want the
West Coast scout to know exactly what the wide receivers
coach is looking for in a player and vice versa.
Is that intentional on your part? Is that a priority
on your part? How important is that to you?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Communication is critical, and I hold it at a premium.
I want our staff to hold it at a premium.
And you know, I got to point back to in
the early days of my life, right, my father was
a football coach and I got to play for him,
later got to work alongside him, and I remember I
just knew him for what he was right, right, and
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so I didn't think too deeply about what I was seeing.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
It just was.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
And it wasn't until I was working alongside him and
I was an offensive coordinator. We had a defensive coordinator
who was somebody that was a year or two older
than I was, and he also came from a football
family and was looking to grow in the business.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
And he had said.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
To me, after maybe you know, three or four months
on the job, he was like, I have not seen
someone like your dad in a small group setting be
so good at communicating a vision, a message and adding
clarity to the space.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
And it hit me at that moment.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
As like, holy cow, my dad is a very very
good communicator.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
As you were just grown up with it, so you
have nothing to assume it's what it is, right.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
So I think naturally I was emulating his communication style
throughout young adulthood into adulthood. I've since been able to
lean on other styles as well, and I think take
it into different directions. But nonetheless, I think that probably
is the genesis of the way in which I communicate.
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But it was at that point, obviously that I recognized
that this might be why I do what I do.
In terms of applying that then to how we move
internally here with the Jaguars across staff. You know, I
think that takes time to understand exactly what it is
that our coaching staff is looking for if you're an
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area of scout or an over the top scout, etc.
And we'll provide those touch points between the two departments
to ensure that there is in fact clarity well at
the same time remaining agile knowing that, I think Liams
expressed this in the past. When he got to Tampa Bay,
his intent with the run game was far different than
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what it had ended up being. We're in the first
spring with a new coaching staff. We have an intent, sure,
but we've got to acknowledge the fact that that might
shift by the time we get to the midpoint next season,
and so I think you got to work with that
in mind as well, and you know, just for again,
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if we're going to dive into transparency and clarity across
our entire fan base. You know, something that we do
for our scouting staff and we'll do for our scouting
staff is an annual event. It'll be our Scouting Summit.
It's essentially a program specifically suited for professional development.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
In the space of scouting as well as we walk through.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Enhancements and evolution items that will incorporate into our process
moving forward in each year how we adapt and evolve.
But that takes place during training camp. So really this
time of year, as we transition away from the focus
on pro free agency and the NFL Draft, we start
to shift gears into our after a review process and
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prepping for that Scouting summit, which we'll sit down with
our full staff come training camp.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
One thing that fascinates Man, it may be too deep
for this, but I'm not asking anyway. The concept that
you've talked about about putting time into the process to
sleep on decisions. I'm not saying that very well, but
it's fascinating because you also mentioned the effort that you
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put into during scouting meetings of having the conversations be
more water cooler than boardroom. It struck me from those
two things that you put a lot of time into
making sure that there's a process of meetings that take
place during scouting, but you want to make sure that
the processes are in place, that the decisions are right,
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and there's time to think about it. I didn't do
a very good job of getting to the question, but
you it seems to me that's a priority for you
is making sure that you give people time to make
well thought out decisions and if that's part of the process.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Yeah, and that becomes really hard later in the draft
when you're sort of deal with a lot of moving
parts that you you know, you got to adapt in
real time, just like I mean, I remember thinking back,
this is great back with the Rams. I don't know
which draft it was, but we're getting towards the latter
portion of day three and there were some shifting dynamics.
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Guys that we were interested in targeting at a certain
pick had just come off the board, so we were
pivoting and and we're kind of talking through things and
you can feel the tension the stress, and Sean looks
over it less and it's like, oh my gosh, if
you're feeling this. Can you imagine having, you know, a
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buzzer to get a call in before it runs out? Right,
So it's like this is this is easy and embarrass
into that.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
And making the decision.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
But yeah, one of the things that you know, over
my time with the RAMS, I was the one that
typed in the the pick right, so less would obviously
make the decision. I would send it to the league
and and that would be that. But when I would
press the enter button, that's really that was like a
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trigger for me, and I knew in that moment what
my real sentiment on that player was. And so it
became helpful year over year to say, how can I
how can I get that rep before I ever have
to press enter? How can I actually put myself in
that position so I have actually understood in advance whether
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or not that was the decision I wanted to have made.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
And that's where the time the sleeping on it. Okay,
that's and that's a process. You've installed that into the
process rather than assuming it's going to happen naturally correct,
which is intentional without giving away secrets. When you think
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of a good draft process, are there any traits that
you feel like are important. I'm not going to ask you, hey,
what do you do on May or on April first,
but are there any trait, any traits that you think
are important in a good draft process. When you see it,
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you're like, yeah, that fits you know.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
So here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
The twenty twenty five draft class. We won't know for
two to three years and maybe even beyond that, whether
or not it was successful. I think in the short
term what you look at in terms of whether or
not it was successful is intent and execution. We went
in with the intention of having a top three walking
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away with a top three the Jaguar DNA draft class,
and as I sit here today, we ended up with Again,
this is an internal metric, so it's not to say
whether or not it does in fact lead to this
successful draft. We expect it to, but we ended up
with the best Jaguar DNA. This is a combination of
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intangibles that we covet right right the on field evaluation
from our scouts, the competitiveness of each player, the toughness
of each player, the instincts of each player, then off
the field, their football character, personal character, mental capacity, all
coming into combination to form this Jaguar DNA. There are
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additional layers to that. Those aren't the only characteristics that
come to life. But in the short term, the fact
that we had an intent and we executed, that's.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Where you can find some level of do that filment, you're.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Gonna have successful drafts a percentage of the time.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
That would be our that would be our expectation. Yes,
obviously time will tell, but.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I could go into every pick. You've sort of already
done that on the podium. So one question, it struck
me what the owner's means we were talking. Did you
really never use the phrase intangibly rich till you got here? No,
I don't felt like a buzzword that you brought in.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Yeah, No, that was we spoke about with the rams
physical qualities and intangible qualities. That was how we would
divide profiles of prospects, and through that. I think the
first time I would have ever leaned into intangibly rich
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would have been as a part of.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Either a the interview process.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Which I do not actually recall if I shared it
in that setting, or be the press conference.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
It just coming to mind.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Did you plan on or is that top of your head.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
That's actually a phrase I do use often because I
think it sets the sure, sets the tone, so to speak.
So yeah, my close friends would tell you that they have.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Heard that before. Yeah, I got you the final question
on these lines, and we have a quick fun thing
at the end. Can you believe it's been two months?
It's a crazy two months.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yeah, that went fast. That went fast. So I do
hope that.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Maybe now, reflecting on the warp speed of two months,
life doesn't continue to go that faster that I get
to I get to pause a.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Little bit more. I think.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
So much this day is about pressing the fast forward
butt and I'll look to try as often as I
can to press the pause button and just root myself.
I think I'll be mindful of that for sure. Over
the last two months, there were probably instances, but not
enough where I was able to do that. And I
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don't mean that like physically. I mean being able to
like press pause and sort of soak up this conversation.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
With you, right, Like I'd love to seer.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
This into my mind for the future, to remember it
and not just move on to the next subject, right
or like it's transactional. Yeah, I do want to. I
want my life, I want the Jaguars. I want this
process to be transformational, and I think that requires a
little bit of mindfulness and probably along the way and
not just speeding along.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Gotcha. Final thing we do here is called the Ozone five.
It's five quick questions that are supposed to be fun.
James Gladstone, what was your last binge? Watch?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
My gosh, oh my, I do watched The Office before bed,
but I don't. Actually I just listened to it and
close my eyes. Shoot, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Just finish the series finale yesterday. That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
What the Office?
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah, my wife first time watched. I had watched it
four or five years ago, straight through, and she was
finishing the binge in the season in the series finale
is really good on that kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
It would have been probably something on Netflix in the Fall.
Any idea what would have come out in the Fall.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
I'm bad at it because I'm always two or three
years behind, But okay, I like The Office. That's a
good one, man.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
There definitely was one or two in the Fall that
I did, and I am blanking.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
You can text me, yeah, I'll come back. You can
share it with the on the next episode.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Are you a music guy? And if so, last song
you heard in the way in this morning.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Oh so, unfortunately, people would not like the way that
I listened to music. I listen to music and go
I listen to a song until I understand every word,
and usually that takes a week to two weeks. And
I will listen to that on my car rides in
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between phone calls, and and then I will probably not
listen to that song ever.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Again, I have never heard of that, but that is
very interesting.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Oh and I guess this.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Here's what's kind of fun. So I do listen to
the songs again. But it's not that I'll ever do
it in a substantial way, but it is kind of
fun for me. When I hear that song, it actually
takes me back to that two week window of my life.
So it's cool when I hear some songs and I
can think back to some of my time in LA
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with vivid imagery. Because that song is playing, it's almost
like it. So that has become it's cool. What song
was playing? Oh, look it up here? Okay, it was
Blood Sweat Tears. If you guys want to listen to it, sure,
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can we hear that?
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Probably Blood Sweat Tears.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
By what's that?
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Bye?
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Oh, this would be future okay. Yeah, But so that's that's.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Age difference when you don't know Sweat and Tears. That
was a huge band in the sixties, So that's where
we're differing here.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
But we can don't know if there's any licensing agreement.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
You have to get to play that now.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
But well, I think UK will be okay. If not,
we can mute it out. So best football memory.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Hmm, you know, there's so many. I don't know if
I can say that. There was just a given. I've
gotten the opportunity to play alongside my brother, play for
my dad, coach alongside my brother and dad. Yeah, I
mean last year year at the draft, it was pretty
cool to see the fact that two teammates got to
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interact as a part of the draft day call to say, hey,
we're gonna be playing together, and I get to be
the one to tell you that your dreams become a reality.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
There's a lot along.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
The way that's really really cool and I don't think
I can do what's that?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Oh? Yeah, that was that was cool. That was a
good part of it for sure.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yeah. Yeah, still to calm that, uh yeah, we're not
quite I don't know if we're fulfilled on that front yet.
I can tell you I'll leave a little cliffhanger. There's
definitely carrots I leave out in front of myself so that, well, yeah,
I was a part of a team that won a
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Super Bowl. The job's not done and I'm not satisfied,
and there's some things behind the scenes there that make
it so that I'm still hunting that up. And so yeah,
that's why I probably didn't include that on the list yet.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Last two are pretty easy. Sport other than football that
you were good at.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
You know what, I've always enjoyed sport itself. Even being
bad at a sport, I would still say that having
a ball in.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Hand is.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Probably what I enjoy most. I'll go this, I'll go
the sport I enjoyed.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
The least, because, at least in.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
My experience, I was like, man, you know what I
kind of like being with a group, kind of like
being with a team was.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Track and now I'm not fast, so that probably played
a part.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
But standing out there in the blocks on your own,
I was like, man, you know, I'd like to be
able to celebrate with somebody right alongside somebody do this
with somebody. So that was kind of maybe one where
I was like, all right, that that might not be
my game. But yeah, I played basketball in high school,
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considered playing basketball in college. I was at a Division
III school where I played football, so it wasn't out
of the realm of possibilities to play two sports. But
by the time I got through the fall, yeah, I
was like, you know what, I should probably just focus
my attention on football, knowing I'm not nearly as good
at basketball and it'll take some time before I see
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the court, and I'm probably just getting in the way
of guys who are really committed to it, so let
them take it.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Final question, person or people most responsible for you being here,
and it's.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Probably a long list.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
I mean, I think the easy ones, pointing to the
Sneed family Karen Less, obviously they were people that I
had recognized in the press conference for you know, altering
the trajectory of my life. I think my wife is
an easy answer. Her and I have spent more than
half of our lives together. So we met when we
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were fifteen years old and have been together ever since.
And she definitely she is in fact my rock, but
she's in my phone as such. And I think without her,
I would be not anywhere near the human being that
I am. The balance that she strikes me with is
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extremely helpful, the support, the love.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
It goes.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
It takes me to places that I never thought I
could reach. And then obviously I think my parents, my siblings,
they're all people who have made it so.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I never had to ride alone.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
I've never had to ride so low, and I'm very
thankful for that.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I knew this would be great. I could talk to
you three hours. I'm not going to ask you for
that kind of time. James Gladstone, thank you so much
for joining the ozone podcast. This is terrific.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
I appreciate it very much. Until the next one, thank you.
All right, welcome into this week's ozone podcast. And I'm
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excited about this guest, and I think all Jaguars fans
will be excited about this guest. We've gotten to know
him a little bit over the gosh two months that
he's been here. But a huge weekend, as coach Liam
Cohen called it, his super Bowl last weekend. Jaguars general
manager James Gladstone, thanks for.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Doing this, James, I appreciate you guys having me on.
This will be a blast.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I have a litany of questions, but the first one
I think is what everybody's asking. Where did you get
the guts to make that pick?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Oh? You know what, Travis Hunter? Right, he's a rare player, right,
rare person.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
You know.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I think that combination, in some way, shape or form
makes it fairly easy.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Right.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
But at the same time, obviously I understand the gravity
of a decision to that magnitude, right, It's not without
careful thought, careful consideration, and you know, a collective buy
in and the work from our scouting staff, our coaching staff,
and even our support staff and the lead up to
that decision to ensure that we had a very clear
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vision for Travis was something we had to work through,
and obviously that took a coordinated effort, and you know,
to date, really happy with the way things have played
out specific to the draft, and look forward to getting
all those draft picks and the young draft of college
free agents in the building and began acclimating with the
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current team and seeing all that come to life for.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
People who are listening. I'm not going to get knee
deep into the mechanics of the trade because a lot
of that will be in the hunt, which your administration, Bisselli,
Cohen and yourself have really opened the franchise up to
allowing fans to see the process. I'm curious how important
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that is to you. Just as much as possible to
let the fans know what's going on, because this is
pretty groundbreaking what you're allowing.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
You know what I actually first and foremost, I think
for our fan base, we want to give you clarity
and familiarity with how we move and once you all
to understand the why behind it and see it come
to life on the grass and make it so it's
something that you guys are all proud to support, proud
to back. And I think beyond that, it's not all
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that undifferent to what I'm used to. When I was
with the Los Angeles RAMS, I was the primary point
of contact between our scouting staff and the content team
and what was being put out, etc. And you know,
being in Hollywood, so to speak, entertainment capital, right, we
understood that this is an entertainment business, and for our
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fan base here in Jacksonville, want to make sure that
that access is in fact granted in a way that doesn't,
you know, give us any sort of, you know, concern
about maintaining competitive advantage, but also provides you all with
understanding for.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Those who don't know it. In the twenties, Jacksonville was
the silent film capital of the world. Maybe that's the
there it is. Maybe that's the connection. I almost hesitate
to ask this because after being around you for a
couple of months I don't think of you as as
a quote thirty four year old general manager, but people
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listening to this I think still sort of see that number.
How at a relatively young age, your command and your
presence of running an organization and a system as complex
as the draft, how do you be ready for that
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at a relatively young age and a new situation if
you follow me, does that make sense or sure?
Speaker 3 (03:41):
I think there's probably a lot of layers there, and
I probably won't do a justice here in the setting
to work through it. But you know, I genuinely believe
that I wasn't given this opportunity for anything that I
did solely on my own. And I think as I
think back to, you know, my my peers and my
mentors specifically there with the Rams, you know, I think
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they played a large hand in where I am and
how I move.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I think earlier than that, right, so.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Many of the folks that I leaned on growing up,
whether it was my you know, my siblings, or my friends,
my parents, my close family, you know, they play a
big role in that as well. And you know, I
think that goes for so many people, right that they
don't get to where they're at alone. And you know,
as I apply that now to here in Jacksonville, we
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have a dynamic, connected leadership group between Tony, Liam, myself,
and we have a support system now amongst our staff
who is interested in moving in the direction that we've
sort of set ahead and so looking forward to seeing
that all take shape here. And to go back to
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your original question, I probably can't do it Justice just
a quick podcast, but.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
It's probably a five or six podcast.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Questions about that.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
One thing that has struck me that I don't know
if I expected, because I don't know how you would
expect it without sort of seeing you operate. I've been
around a lot of gms and a lot of coaches.
You embrace it and have fun with it more than
most guys I've been around, Meaning you sort of knew
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that this was a big pick and you don't mind
coming into an interview and saying, hey, this might transform
the lead and you know the game on and you're
having fun with it. Not that you don't take it
seriously because I was a serious guy. But am I
reading that element right that this is there's a fun
side of this too for you?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (05:46):
I think you know honestly, it's probably part of the
reason why I was drawn to Travis. The way that
Travis operates, He does so with a level of enthusiasm
and joy, knowing that he's doing something that brings him
fulfillment playing the sport of football no different is that
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for me in the world of scouting, player evaluation and
engineering team dynamics, that those are fulfilling elements for me,
and I want that reflected in the way that I operate,
and I think that's by showing a level of excitement
and joy along the way in the process. This is football,
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it's not built to be a boardroom. And obviously, in
the same breath, right when I've spoken about Travis in
the past, there's this level of deep rooted thoughtfulness and
maturity that lies beneath the surface, and for me, that's
something I've always I've always been someone who thinks deeply
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and carefully and deliberately, and I think that those things
somehow work in combination. But at the same time, as
I begin getting integrated with our staff that exists here
on site, they have shown a level of grace, humility,
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and excitement enthusiasm in the way that they're operating, and
I think that that just stimulates that for a group
and for a building, and so the fact that it's happening,
you know, outside of just.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
The way that I'm moving.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Obviously, we hope that Travis brings that energy to the
rookie class and that people Travis is able to absorb
that from others. But nonetheless, it's it's been cool to
see that take shape because obviously with change, uh, the
uncertainty that comes with change, that can that can lead
to people tightening up. And over the course of the
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last two months amongst our staff, it's been really I've
been really grateful at how quickly they've opened up.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
So, as you said, that doesn't happen, it doesn't have
to happen, and it doesn't always happen to talking to
Sally Monday or Tuesday and your name came up and
he said, you know what people may not understand is
he's a competitive bleep. Do you think of yourself as
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as competitive? And does that sort of is that one
of the threads that defines you you think?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
You know? I like the question.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
I've always I've always tried to have an outward shell
that's poised and calm that that's come with, you know,
having moments where I didn't quite put that on. Well,
I don't know if that was or showing the emotions,
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so whether good, bad and high low in between, you know.
So I've certainly experienced the range of outward facing emotions
and things like that, so I shouldn't even I don't
want it to ever come off like I have this
ultimate poise or something along those because that's not it.
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I go through the range of all emotions and when
it comes to competing, right, Internally, I have an extreme
fire and an extreme passion for the sport of football
and engineering team dynamics. But externally I do project an
attempt to project it as a conscious effort, grace and
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end poise, which that's practice that's been practiced over time, right,
And I've had to if that's my standard, failed not
met that standard multiple times.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
In order, and I know that I'll fail in the future. Right.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
There's likely to be a moment that I don't come
through in a way that I would want to come through,
and there will be moments where I'm proud of it.
But that's certainly something I'm conscious.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Of when I say, after two months, when I say, Biselli,
what does that mean to you?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Oh gosh, it means a whole lot. So I think
I said it when fresh off the hiring. It's like
I got to imagine that every candidate that walked through
the door and sat down with the committee walked out saying, man,
he's somebody I want to be in the bunker with.
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And that has truly shown itself over the last two
months and you know, working in tandem with him and Liam,
it has been in absolute joy. And those two guys
are infectious the way that they talk about the sport itself,
talk about the dynamics that exist, and work through it
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in such a collaborative manner. I couldn't be more thankful today,
and look forward for those relationships continuing to grow because
you know both of them are they're attacking those relationships.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
It's it's two ways.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
And you know, earning trust it takes, it takes time,
but you know, at each of these sort of moments
on the timeline so far, it offers that opportunity and
and I look forward to the ones that lie on
the horizon and I'm you know, ecstatic about the few
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that have happened so far, but looking forward to what
comes next.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
You touched on Liam a little bit, but at head
coach GM relationship is so important. Yeah, I guess, just
what's been your biggest impression or anything you've learned after
two months? Maybe you didn't know coming in any anything
stand out.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
You know, I don't know if it's it fits the
bill for something I didn't know coming in, but something
you know, I've been really happy to see is the
standards that Liam has for players, coaches and staff and
ensuring that those are in fact followed up on right.
(12:11):
It can be easy, I think, especially this day and
age too. You know, coddle and cater to and and
he has a standard. Yeah, some people might say that,
but this is professional sports. This is going to be
a franchise that we intend to make a premiere, uh
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sort of spotlight, and it requires attention to detail and
setting a standard and ensuring that is in fact being met.
And Liam doesn't play and and that's been something that
I've been really excited to see in action.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Got you anybody who talks to you is always struck
by your clarity communication. We've talked about a little bit.
My thought since you've gotten here is maybe an appreciation
of how important that is as a general manager to
be able to communicate to the entire building, the entire structure.
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And the phrase I've always used is you want the
West Coast scout to know exactly what the wide receivers
coach is looking for in a player and vice versa.
Is that intentional on your part? Is that a priority
on your part? How important is that to you?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Communication is critical, and I hold it at a premium.
I want our staff to hold it at a premium.
And you know, I got to point back to in
the early days of my life, right, my father was
a football coach and I got to play for him,
later got to work alongside him, and I remember I
just knew him for what he was right, right, and
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so I didn't think too deeply about what I was seeing.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
It just was.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
And it wasn't until I was working alongside him and
I was an offensive coordinator. We had a defensive coordinator
who was somebody that was a year or two older
than I was, and he also came from a football
family and was looking to grow in the business.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
And he had said.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
To me, after maybe you know, three or four months
on the job, he was like, I have not seen
someone like your dad in a small group setting be
so good at communicating a vision, a message and adding
clarity to the space.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
And it hit me at that moment.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
As like, holy cow, my dad is a very very
good communicator.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
As you were just grown up with it, so you
have nothing to assume it's what it is, right.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
So I think naturally I was emulating his communication style
throughout young adulthood into adulthood. I've since been able to
lean on other styles as well, and I think take
it into different directions. But nonetheless, I think that probably
is the genesis of the way in which I communicate.
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But it was at that point, obviously that I recognized
that this might be why I do what I do.
In terms of applying that then to how we move
internally here with the Jaguars across staff. You know, I
think that takes time to understand exactly what it is
that our coaching staff is looking for if you're an
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area of scout or an over the top scout, etc.
And we'll provide those touch points between the two departments
to ensure that there is in fact clarity well at
the same time remaining agile knowing that, I think Liams
expressed this in the past. When he got to Tampa Bay,
his intent with the run game was far different than
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what it had ended up being. We're in the first
spring with a new coaching staff. We have an intent, sure,
but we've got to acknowledge the fact that that might
shift by the time we get to the midpoint next season,
and so I think you got to work with that
in mind as well, and you know, just for again,
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if we're going to dive into transparency and clarity across
our entire fan base. You know, something that we do
for our scouting staff and we'll do for our scouting
staff is an annual event. It'll be our Scouting Summit.
It's essentially a program specifically suited for professional development.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
In the space of scouting as well as we walk through.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Enhancements and evolution items that will incorporate into our process
moving forward in each year how we adapt and evolve.
But that takes place during training camp. So really this
time of year, as we transition away from the focus
on pro free agency and the NFL Draft, we start
to shift gears into our after a review process and
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prepping for that Scouting summit, which we'll sit down with
our full staff come training camp.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
One thing that fascinates Man, it may be too deep
for this, but I'm not asking anyway. The concept that
you've talked about about putting time into the process to
sleep on decisions. I'm not saying that very well, but
it's fascinating because you also mentioned the effort that you
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put into during scouting meetings of having the conversations be
more water cooler than boardroom. It struck me from those
two things that you put a lot of time into
making sure that there's a process of meetings that take
place during scouting, but you want to make sure that
the processes are in place, that the decisions are right,
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and there's time to think about it. I didn't do
a very good job of getting to the question, but
you it seems to me that's a priority for you
is making sure that you give people time to make
well thought out decisions and if that's part of the process.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Yeah, and that becomes really hard later in the draft
when you're sort of deal with a lot of moving
parts that you you know, you got to adapt in
real time, just like I mean, I remember thinking back,
this is great back with the Rams. I don't know
which draft it was, but we're getting towards the latter
portion of day three and there were some shifting dynamics.
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Guys that we were interested in targeting at a certain
pick had just come off the board, so we were
pivoting and and we're kind of talking through things and
you can feel the tension the stress, and Sean looks
over it less and it's like, oh my gosh, if
you're feeling this. Can you imagine having, you know, a
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buzzer to get a call in before it runs out? Right,
So it's like this is this is easy and embarrass
into that.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
And making the decision.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
But yeah, one of the things that you know, over
my time with the RAMS, I was the one that
typed in the the pick right, so less would obviously
make the decision. I would send it to the league
and and that would be that. But when I would
press the enter button, that's really that was like a
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trigger for me, and I knew in that moment what
my real sentiment on that player was. And so it
became helpful year over year to say, how can I
how can I get that rep before I ever have
to press enter? How can I actually put myself in
that position so I have actually understood in advance whether
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or not that was the decision I wanted to have made.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
And that's where the time the sleeping on it. Okay,
that's and that's a process. You've installed that into the
process rather than assuming it's going to happen naturally correct,
which is intentional without giving away secrets. When you think
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of a good draft process, are there any traits that
you feel like are important. I'm not going to ask you, hey,
what do you do on May or on April first,
but are there any trait, any traits that you think
are important in a good draft process. When you see it,
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you're like, yeah, that fits you know.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
So here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
The twenty twenty five draft class. We won't know for
two to three years and maybe even beyond that, whether
or not it was successful. I think in the short
term what you look at in terms of whether or
not it was successful is intent and execution. We went
in with the intention of having a top three walking
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away with a top three the Jaguar DNA draft class,
and as I sit here today, we ended up with Again,
this is an internal metric, so it's not to say
whether or not it does in fact lead to this
successful draft. We expect it to, but we ended up
with the best Jaguar DNA. This is a combination of
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intangibles that we covet right right the on field evaluation
from our scouts, the competitiveness of each player, the toughness
of each player, the instincts of each player, then off
the field, their football character, personal character, mental capacity, all
coming into combination to form this Jaguar DNA. There are
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additional layers to that. Those aren't the only characteristics that
come to life. But in the short term, the fact
that we had an intent and we executed, that's.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Where you can find some level of do that filment, you're.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Gonna have successful drafts a percentage of the time.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
That would be our that would be our expectation. Yes,
obviously time will tell, but.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I could go into every pick. You've sort of already
done that on the podium. So one question, it struck
me what the owner's means we were talking. Did you
really never use the phrase intangibly rich till you got here? No,
I don't felt like a buzzword that you brought in.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Yeah, No, that was we spoke about with the rams
physical qualities and intangible qualities. That was how we would
divide profiles of prospects, and through that. I think the
first time I would have ever leaned into intangibly rich
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would have been as a part of.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Either a the interview process.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Which I do not actually recall if I shared it
in that setting, or be the press conference.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
It just coming to mind.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Did you plan on or is that top of your head.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
That's actually a phrase I do use often because I
think it sets the sure, sets the tone, so to speak.
So yeah, my close friends would tell you that they have.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Heard that before. Yeah, I got you the final question
on these lines, and we have a quick fun thing
at the end. Can you believe it's been two months?
It's a crazy two months.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yeah, that went fast. That went fast. So I do
hope that.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Maybe now, reflecting on the warp speed of two months,
life doesn't continue to go that faster that I get
to I get to pause a.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Little bit more. I think.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
So much this day is about pressing the fast forward
butt and I'll look to try as often as I
can to press the pause button and just root myself.
I think I'll be mindful of that for sure. Over
the last two months, there were probably instances, but not
enough where I was able to do that. And I
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don't mean that like physically. I mean being able to
like press pause and sort of soak up this conversation.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
With you, right, Like I'd love to seer.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
This into my mind for the future, to remember it
and not just move on to the next subject, right
or like it's transactional. Yeah, I do want to. I
want my life, I want the Jaguars. I want this
process to be transformational, and I think that requires a
little bit of mindfulness and probably along the way and
not just speeding along.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Gotcha. Final thing we do here is called the Ozone five.
It's five quick questions that are supposed to be fun.
James Gladstone, what was your last binge? Watch?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
My gosh, oh my, I do watched The Office before bed,
but I don't. Actually I just listened to it and
close my eyes. Shoot, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Just finish the series finale yesterday. That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
What the Office?
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah, my wife first time watched. I had watched it
four or five years ago, straight through, and she was
finishing the binge in the season in the series finale
is really good on that kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
It would have been probably something on Netflix in the Fall.
Any idea what would have come out in the Fall.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
I'm bad at it because I'm always two or three
years behind, But okay, I like The Office. That's a
good one, man.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
There definitely was one or two in the Fall that
I did, and I am blanking.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
You can text me, yeah, I'll come back. You can
share it with the on the next episode.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Are you a music guy? And if so, last song
you heard in the way in this morning.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Oh so, unfortunately, people would not like the way that
I listened to music. I listen to music and go
I listen to a song until I understand every word,
and usually that takes a week to two weeks. And
I will listen to that on my car rides in
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between phone calls, and and then I will probably not
listen to that song ever.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Again, I have never heard of that, but that is
very interesting.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Oh and I guess this.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Here's what's kind of fun. So I do listen to
the songs again. But it's not that I'll ever do
it in a substantial way, but it is kind of
fun for me. When I hear that song, it actually
takes me back to that two week window of my life.
So it's cool when I hear some songs and I
can think back to some of my time in LA
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with vivid imagery. Because that song is playing, it's almost
like it. So that has become it's cool. What song
was playing? Oh, look it up here? Okay, it was
Blood Sweat Tears. If you guys want to listen to it, sure,
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can we hear that?
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Probably Blood Sweat Tears.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
By what's that?
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Bye?
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Oh, this would be future okay. Yeah, But so that's that's.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Age difference when you don't know Sweat and Tears. That
was a huge band in the sixties, So that's where
we're differing here.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
But we can don't know if there's any licensing agreement.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
You have to get to play that now.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
But well, I think UK will be okay. If not,
we can mute it out. So best football memory.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Hmm, you know, there's so many. I don't know if
I can say that. There was just a given. I've
gotten the opportunity to play alongside my brother, play for
my dad, coach alongside my brother and dad. Yeah, I
mean last year year at the draft, it was pretty
cool to see the fact that two teammates got to
(28:04):
interact as a part of the draft day call to say, hey,
we're gonna be playing together, and I get to be
the one to tell you that your dreams become a reality.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
There's a lot along.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
The way that's really really cool and I don't think
I can do what's that?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Oh? Yeah, that was that was cool. That was a
good part of it for sure.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yeah. Yeah, still to calm that, uh yeah, we're not
quite I don't know if we're fulfilled on that front yet.
I can tell you I'll leave a little cliffhanger. There's
definitely carrots I leave out in front of myself so that, well, yeah,
I was a part of a team that won a
(28:48):
Super Bowl. The job's not done and I'm not satisfied,
and there's some things behind the scenes there that make
it so that I'm still hunting that up. And so yeah,
that's why I probably didn't include that on the list yet.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Last two are pretty easy. Sport other than football that
you were good at.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
You know what, I've always enjoyed sport itself. Even being
bad at a sport, I would still say that having
a ball in.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Hand is.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Probably what I enjoy most. I'll go this, I'll go
the sport I enjoyed.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
The least, because, at least in.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
My experience, I was like, man, you know what I
kind of like being with a group, kind of like
being with a team was.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Track and now I'm not fast, so that probably played
a part.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
But standing out there in the blocks on your own,
I was like, man, you know, I'd like to be
able to celebrate with somebody right alongside somebody do this
with somebody. So that was kind of maybe one where
I was like, all right, that that might not be
my game. But yeah, I played basketball in high school,
(30:03):
considered playing basketball in college. I was at a Division
III school where I played football, so it wasn't out
of the realm of possibilities to play two sports. But
by the time I got through the fall, yeah, I
was like, you know what, I should probably just focus
my attention on football, knowing I'm not nearly as good
at basketball and it'll take some time before I see
(30:25):
the court, and I'm probably just getting in the way
of guys who are really committed to it, so let
them take it.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Final question, person or people most responsible for you being here,
and it's.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Probably a long list.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
I mean, I think the easy ones, pointing to the
Sneed family Karen Less, obviously they were people that I
had recognized in the press conference for you know, altering
the trajectory of my life. I think my wife is
an easy answer. Her and I have spent more than
half of our lives together. So we met when we
(31:01):
were fifteen years old and have been together ever since.
And she definitely she is in fact my rock, but
she's in my phone as such. And I think without her,
I would be not anywhere near the human being that
I am. The balance that she strikes me with is
(31:25):
extremely helpful, the support, the love.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
It goes.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
It takes me to places that I never thought I
could reach. And then obviously I think my parents, my siblings,
they're all people who have made it so.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I never had to ride alone.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
I've never had to ride so low, and I'm very
thankful for that.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I knew this would be great. I could talk to
you three hours. I'm not going to ask you for
that kind of time. James Gladstone, thank you so much
for joining the ozone podcast. This is terrific.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
I appreciate it very much. Until the next one, thank you.
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