On this edition of the O-Zone Podcast John Oehser is joined by Matt Miller of ESPN on radio row at the 2025 NFL Combine. Miller has vast Draft knowledge and shares his opinion on how the middle and deep round impact of this draft will help the Jaguars. He shares his view on how the new Jaguars scouting and leadership will take Rams tactics into their strategy. Later on, hear more on how sometimes it's not about taking the fancy pick but building from the inside out. Lastly, Miller guesses who the Jaguars will take at No. 5 overall. Learn more about Matt Miller's opinion on the Jaguars offseason on this episode of the O-Zone Podcast.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Oh zoo. Welcome to the Ozone Podcast with Jaguars senior
writer John Osher.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
All Right, welcome to this week's Ozone podcast, and now
I am joined this week by Matt Miller of ESPN.
I think most people who cover the draft and follow
this recognize you. Fourth year at ESPN, Yes, sir, after
time goes quick Man, ten years at Bleacher reporter for
a ESPN and now I feel really old.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Haven't put that map together?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Well, you're not old. I know that because I'm old.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
So the first question, tell me about this year's draft.
You cover it from a broad perspective, you work on
it year round. Give me maybe two or three defining
characteristics of this draft as you think about it.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
This is an offensive line defensive line draft. It's about
the line of scrimmage. Really, the defensive tackle group the
deepest maybe ever seen. Okay, we're gonna see thirty guys
in the top in this draft just a defensive tackle.
We might see thirty guys at defensive end and defensive
tackle in the top four rounds. So it's really deep there.
It's a good offensive line class, a lot of tackles
(01:14):
who may end up being guards in the NFL. But
I think we'll see excuse me, seven or eight first
round players on the offensive line. So this is year
Round one is gonna be dominated by the trenches. But
it's a good running back class. It's a good tight
end class as well.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
And it's it seems the Jaguars in many people's opinion,
need line on both sides. When you say it goes deep,
if you get a guy in the fourth round, is
that immediate impact? Is that long term? How would you
describe maybe that middle round because you assume the first
couple guys are gonna be able to play, but this
(01:49):
team needs contributions deep.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I think this year where you can find those contributions
in round four, round five, especially at defensive tackle. It's
more about like your scheme right, Like they're gonna be
nos ackles in rounds four and five. Sure are coming
in start right away. You know, the premiere three techniques,
the six technique. Defensive ends, they're going to come off
the board much earlier because that pass rush ability. But
you're always able to like unearth some guys, players slip
(02:13):
through the cracks, or guys develop, you know, once they
get drafted. So this is it is a good year
to have those early Day three picks. I think that's
kind of where the drop off in this draft class happens.
This guy, Round five is where you probably hit the floor.
Unlike last year. It's a deep draft, right, Yeah, last
year was you know, really really deep as well. This
is another good year, especially in those middle rounds.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Gotcha.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
James Gladstone on with the Jaguars as the new general manager.
Liam Cohne is new head coach, will stick to maybe
what the Rams do historically, because that's where James Gladstones
comes from.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
For Jaguars fans.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Who are going to be watching this, who are draft
knicks who sort of get into it close to the
level you do, what should they be watching for and
what has defined Los Angeles philosophical.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Yeah, you know, the days of not having first round
picks in Los Angeles is gone, right, They went away
from that, and I think the philosophy that I picked
up from the Rams the last couple of drafts is
they are drafting players who were highly productive at major
universities and can get on the field right away. So
under Trent Balky, Jaguar fans will remember it was all
(03:22):
about traits, It's all about arm length, speed, things like, Yeah,
So it was very traits based scouting, and I think
with Gladstone what you're going to see is traits still matter,
of course, but production matters as much as that. So
like with the Rams this past year, you know, they
take Jared Vers and Braden Fiske their first two picks,
highly productive guys from one of the best defenses in
(03:43):
college football when they came out from Florida State and
they were able to get on the field and play
right away. And I think that type of philosophy of
you want day one impact players. So the days of
betting on even this exemple like Trevon Walker over Aiden Hutchinson,
that would not happen as a general manager because you're
taking the guy that, hey, I've been watching him for
three years produce at Michigan. We feel confident he's going
(04:06):
to continue to do that in the NFL as opposed
to and Travon's been a good player, right, but I
think everyone would agree he was drafted on the upside
and the traits instead of the proven ability.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Now the opposite way that, because many teams go the
other way and have success. To the average person, well,
of course you would take the most productive guy. But
teams also there is a school of thought the other
way as well.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
The absolutely is since where you know, the projection side
of it is huge, and teams will look at a
player and say, okay, well, once we get him in
our system and once we get him around our coaches,
just think of the possibilities. Right. It's almost like a
Christmas present on Christmas morning. You can't wait to open
it and see what it is. Right. But my experience,
(04:50):
and this is something in my own philosophy I've been
working on the last couple of years, is how often
do those players hit? What is the hit rate when
you draft? For measurables over production? And I think that's
kind of sweeping the NFL right now a little bit
too with the Rams success, with the Eagles having so
much success. This is something the Ravens have done forever, right,
you know, they just draft highly productive, really good football players.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
And I'm curious about the approach of the Eagles. For example,
they won the Super Bowl. So usually it's it's a
monkey see monkey do league. They have historically gone line
line and then productive skilled players. Do you see that
being a trend? You see teams following.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
That model, I do, I think, and especially in this draft,
because where this draft is so strong on the line
of scrimmage, I think we'll see teams go to that model.
And also especially you know, those those front offices are
now you know, breeding the next gms and area scalts
and things like that, and so I think we'll see
that philosophy spread to some degree of let's invest in
(05:51):
the trenches. Let's build teams almost from the inside out.
You know, make sure you have the quarterback obviously, but
then once you have the quarterback, let's build up the
line of scrimmage and then you can then you can
go add you know some of the fun pieces like
wide receiver and running back.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Does that take some I guess willingness to not listen
to Twitter when you do that.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yeah, it definitely takes patience, Yeah too, right, because it's
everybody wants, you know, the exciting new toy. Sure, Brian
Thomas is a great pick. Everybody wants that every year, right,
But you know, sometimes it's taken the right guard, you know,
in the in the second round instead of another receiver
or running back is the right move. And now I
think there's proof in that where you can point to
(06:31):
Philadelphia and say, hey, look what they did. And even
on the flip side, you could point to Kansas City
and say, you know, they needed a left tackle and
they took a wide receiver. Now wide receiver was really good,
but didn't help win a super Bowl, even though he
had eight catches and two touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
And their super Bowl losses have come when the line
is struggled, exactly.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
So I think now you can, you know, objectively, point
to successes and failures in the NFL and say, like,
the Chiefs are a dynasty, they're two super Bowl losses
because they couldn't protect my homes. And so that's where
I think you would want to go back to that
idea of let's resist the urge to get the shiny,
you know, fancy prospects. Let's build the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Tell me who you believe Jaguars taking five, but more importantly,
sort of how the first four picks get there to
make that happen.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Yeah? Absolutely, So we'll do a little mini mock drafts. Right, So,
I think one, Abdull Carter, if the Titans keep the
pick two, I'll say cam Ward to the Browns. Three
Shadoor Sanders to the to the Giants for Travis Hunter
to the Patriots. So I would say Mason Graham the
defensive tackle.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Which seems to be if you look at eighty mock drafts.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Yeah, Travis Hunters there takes care, right. I know we've
been saying line of scrimmage, line scrimmage and scrimmage. He's
he's a different type of prospect, right, But Mason Grahm
would be fantastic, And I do think even connect the
dots to Gladstone coming in his general maaguer what they
did last year with Braden Fisk, especially, Mason Graham is
just a little bit of an upgraded version of that.
(07:57):
So you get your three technique. A guy who never
loses on tape. Does he have fifteen sacks a year, No,
but he never loses, right, And in that way, he's
a lot like a guy like Quinn Williams, So it's
coming out he's a lot like Christian Wilkins was for
the Miami Dolphins, or Matabouque with the Raiders, another type
of guy who's had that type of success. So I
think if Mason Graham's there and those four players are
(08:20):
off the board, that's an easy pick for me.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
A couple of thoughts.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
There is Mason Graham, the type everything you're hearing at
the combine. Maybe not the perfect physical specimen, Yeah he's
going to blow you away in the airport, but an
absolute player on the field.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
So he absolute fits what we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
A little bit short armed, you know, he's not he's
not six', five you, know three twenty five and gonna
run a four to. Eight it's not who he, is
but he is a dominant. Player his ability to just
disrupt what the offensive line wants to. Do it's consistent and,
again LIKE i think sometimes when we watch, football it's
like you want to see the impact. Plays, well sometimes
it's the guy who's setting those impact plays. Up, sure
(08:58):
and that was him Consistently. Michigan michigan doesn't let their
defensive lineman just pin their ears back and go a,
lot which is why every year it feels like we
have A michigan first rounder on the d line and
you look at their, stats you're, like how's this? Guy
first round? Pick you didn't, have you, know it didn't.
Have he's just a great. Player So graham would be
one of those like foundational pieces it's somebody that now
(09:19):
you're able to build a team around.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
It now you kind of picked up something that you
know has been discussed in different. Places i've been around
the Combine Travis. Hunter even for a team like The
jaguars that clearly not only needs, line but their higher
ups are talking about that being absolutely. Critical yet along
comes a guy who might make them, wait, yeah for
(09:42):
a round or a year or, two start addressing.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
That, yeah and he. Is he's different because he fills
two needs at. Once, okay you, know because he can
play corner and wide receiver or however you see, it
wide receiver and then some. CORNER i think that checking
two boxes is what makes him such a unique player
to where you would maybe. Bypassing And i'll tell YOU
i Have Mason graham grated very closely To Travis, hunter
so like there would be some conflict, there like what
route do we go if he happens to be on the,
(10:06):
board what do we? DO i think the good news
with The jagson is probably not gonna be on the,
Board so you have to have that conversation and you
can go back to the original plan Of And i've
heard them talk about it as, well if, like, okay
we got a control line of scrimmage've got to build
the inside.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Here take me.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Through just a couple of the defensive, tackle offensive. Line
are the top physician. Groups maybe give me two or
three guys at each spot that you.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Like, yeah so the defensive line GROUP i. DO i
Love Abdul carter And Mason. Graham they're both in my
top three players, overall so huge fans of what they.
DO i Like Walter nolan From ole miss a. LOT
i heard he won't be working out. Here i'm a
little bit bummed to not see, that But i'm a
fan of his, ability especially if you're looking for a,
penetrator somebody that can go get after the. Quarterback he's a,
highly highly athletic guy on the offensive. LINE i think
(10:53):
this class has been almost disrespected a little. Bit it's
a good. Class Will campbell And Kelvin banks both started
for three years in the s see they were week
one starters as true. Freshman Kelvin banks gave up three
sacks in three. Years, okay that's fascinating to. Me and
he's not being talked about as you, know people, say,
oh he's Not Joe, Old he's not been a school
and he's a pretty good. Player you, know three sacks
(11:14):
in three. Years going Against georgia twice this, year only
gave up one. Sack things to, play everyone remembers and
it's kind of been held against. Him but it is
a good tackle. CLASS i would throw Armand membo From
missouri in. There he's a right tackle who might end
up playing guard because he's a little bit under six foot,
Four but it Is it is a good offensive line.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Class how.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Secondary is another area of The jaguars. Need it feels
like line is their priority and they have to figure
out how to address. Secondary how does that work throughout
the draft this year in terms of being able to
find guys to contribute in the secondary as you move,
on maybe a round three and.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Four, yeah it's not the deepest secondary. Draft it's really.
NOT i think at safety there's a little bit more
depth in rounds three and round. Four guys Like Xavier
wats From Notre dame potentially could be the top around.
Three andrew mccooba From, Texas Billy bowman From, oklahoma they're
in that round, three round four. Range they could be rookie.
Starters they could be impact, guys especially at free. Safety
the corner, class it's just it's not a deep corner.
(12:15):
There Trey amos From Ole miss probably gonna be a
top round two. Guy Osirea thomas From Florida state probably
be a top around two, guy but there's a pretty
significant drop off after like the fifth corner to where
you're almost reaching a little.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Bit got you final, question BECAUSE i could talk all
day to you about the. Draft wide Receiver Brian Thomas
junior is, there, obviously but it would be good for
this offense to be able to pick up one more
guy opposite. Him is that available in the draft round
two or? Three can you find a guy like?
Speaker 3 (12:44):
That you absolutely. CAN'T i think finding complimentary guys that's
where this wide receiver class is. Good maybe it doesn't
have like last year with all the wide receiver one,
types but there's a lot of good wide receiver two
types in this. Class Matthew golden From texas is probably
going to be at the top round, two round. Three
there's two guys From Iowa, State Jayden higgins And Jalen,
noel both to be very good complimentary. Players Jalen royles
(13:07):
From Utah state would give you a little bit more
athleticism underneath a guy who can make things. Happen after The,
Cats she's got a really, physical strong lower. Body it's
gonna give, you not to you, know give FANS, ptsd
but kind of Like Leviska chanlt you, know in terms of.
BUILD i think he's farther along as the receiver Than leavisco.
Was but this is a good. YEAR i think in
those day, two even early day three to get a
(13:28):
complimentary wide.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
OUT i know fans hearing this are gonna want more
From Matt. Miller we can watch you ON espn to
get that.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Right they, can, yeah or check out articles ON espn dot.
Com will be putting those. Out feels like every day
between now and the draft there will be something.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Great job as, ALWAYS i appreciate you. Joining, Thanks thank
you body
Oh zoo. Welcome to the Ozone Podcast with Jaguars senior
writer John Osher.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
All Right, welcome to this week's Ozone podcast, and now
I am joined this week by Matt Miller of ESPN.
I think most people who cover the draft and follow
this recognize you. Fourth year at ESPN, Yes, sir, after
time goes quick Man, ten years at Bleacher reporter for
a ESPN and now I feel really old.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Haven't put that map together?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Well, you're not old. I know that because I'm old.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
So the first question, tell me about this year's draft.
You cover it from a broad perspective, you work on
it year round. Give me maybe two or three defining
characteristics of this draft as you think about it.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
This is an offensive line defensive line draft. It's about
the line of scrimmage. Really, the defensive tackle group the
deepest maybe ever seen. Okay, we're gonna see thirty guys
in the top in this draft just a defensive tackle.
We might see thirty guys at defensive end and defensive
tackle in the top four rounds. So it's really deep there.
It's a good offensive line class, a lot of tackles
(01:14):
who may end up being guards in the NFL. But
I think we'll see excuse me, seven or eight first
round players on the offensive line. So this is year
Round one is gonna be dominated by the trenches. But
it's a good running back class. It's a good tight
end class as well.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
And it's it seems the Jaguars in many people's opinion,
need line on both sides. When you say it goes deep,
if you get a guy in the fourth round, is
that immediate impact? Is that long term? How would you
describe maybe that middle round because you assume the first
couple guys are gonna be able to play, but this
(01:49):
team needs contributions deep.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I think this year where you can find those contributions
in round four, round five, especially at defensive tackle. It's
more about like your scheme right, Like they're gonna be
nos ackles in rounds four and five. Sure are coming
in start right away. You know, the premiere three techniques,
the six technique. Defensive ends, they're going to come off
the board much earlier because that pass rush ability. But
you're always able to like unearth some guys, players slip
(02:13):
through the cracks, or guys develop, you know, once they
get drafted. So this is it is a good year
to have those early Day three picks. I think that's
kind of where the drop off in this draft class happens.
This guy, Round five is where you probably hit the floor.
Unlike last year. It's a deep draft, right, Yeah, last
year was you know, really really deep as well. This
is another good year, especially in those middle rounds.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Gotcha.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
James Gladstone on with the Jaguars as the new general manager.
Liam Cohne is new head coach, will stick to maybe
what the Rams do historically, because that's where James Gladstones
comes from.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
For Jaguars fans.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Who are going to be watching this, who are draft
knicks who sort of get into it close to the
level you do, what should they be watching for and
what has defined Los Angeles philosophical.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Yeah, you know, the days of not having first round
picks in Los Angeles is gone, right, They went away
from that, and I think the philosophy that I picked
up from the Rams the last couple of drafts is
they are drafting players who were highly productive at major
universities and can get on the field right away. So
under Trent Balky, Jaguar fans will remember it was all
(03:22):
about traits, It's all about arm length, speed, things like, Yeah,
So it was very traits based scouting, and I think
with Gladstone what you're going to see is traits still matter,
of course, but production matters as much as that. So
like with the Rams this past year, you know, they
take Jared Vers and Braden Fiske their first two picks,
highly productive guys from one of the best defenses in
(03:43):
college football when they came out from Florida State and
they were able to get on the field and play
right away. And I think that type of philosophy of
you want day one impact players. So the days of
betting on even this exemple like Trevon Walker over Aiden Hutchinson,
that would not happen as a general manager because you're
taking the guy that, hey, I've been watching him for
three years produce at Michigan. We feel confident he's going
(04:06):
to continue to do that in the NFL as opposed
to and Travon's been a good player, right, but I
think everyone would agree he was drafted on the upside
and the traits instead of the proven ability.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Now the opposite way that, because many teams go the
other way and have success. To the average person, well,
of course you would take the most productive guy. But
teams also there is a school of thought the other
way as well.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
The absolutely is since where you know, the projection side
of it is huge, and teams will look at a
player and say, okay, well, once we get him in
our system and once we get him around our coaches,
just think of the possibilities. Right. It's almost like a
Christmas present on Christmas morning. You can't wait to open
it and see what it is. Right. But my experience,
(04:50):
and this is something in my own philosophy I've been
working on the last couple of years, is how often
do those players hit? What is the hit rate when
you draft? For measurables over production? And I think that's
kind of sweeping the NFL right now a little bit
too with the Rams success, with the Eagles having so
much success. This is something the Ravens have done forever, right,
you know, they just draft highly productive, really good football players.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
And I'm curious about the approach of the Eagles. For example,
they won the Super Bowl. So usually it's it's a
monkey see monkey do league. They have historically gone line
line and then productive skilled players. Do you see that
being a trend? You see teams following.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
That model, I do, I think, and especially in this draft,
because where this draft is so strong on the line
of scrimmage, I think we'll see teams go to that model.
And also especially you know, those those front offices are
now you know, breeding the next gms and area scalts
and things like that, and so I think we'll see
that philosophy spread to some degree of let's invest in
(05:51):
the trenches. Let's build teams almost from the inside out.
You know, make sure you have the quarterback obviously, but
then once you have the quarterback, let's build up the
line of scrimmage and then you can then you can
go add you know some of the fun pieces like
wide receiver and running back.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Does that take some I guess willingness to not listen
to Twitter when you do that.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yeah, it definitely takes patience, Yeah too, right, because it's
everybody wants, you know, the exciting new toy. Sure, Brian
Thomas is a great pick. Everybody wants that every year, right,
But you know, sometimes it's taken the right guard, you know,
in the in the second round instead of another receiver
or running back is the right move. And now I
think there's proof in that where you can point to
(06:31):
Philadelphia and say, hey, look what they did. And even
on the flip side, you could point to Kansas City
and say, you know, they needed a left tackle and
they took a wide receiver. Now wide receiver was really good,
but didn't help win a super Bowl, even though he
had eight catches and two touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
And their super Bowl losses have come when the line
is struggled, exactly.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
So I think now you can, you know, objectively, point
to successes and failures in the NFL and say, like,
the Chiefs are a dynasty, they're two super Bowl losses
because they couldn't protect my homes. And so that's where
I think you would want to go back to that
idea of let's resist the urge to get the shiny,
you know, fancy prospects. Let's build the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Tell me who you believe Jaguars taking five, but more importantly,
sort of how the first four picks get there to
make that happen.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Yeah? Absolutely, So we'll do a little mini mock drafts. Right, So,
I think one, Abdull Carter, if the Titans keep the
pick two, I'll say cam Ward to the Browns. Three
Shadoor Sanders to the to the Giants for Travis Hunter
to the Patriots. So I would say Mason Graham the
defensive tackle.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Which seems to be if you look at eighty mock drafts.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Yeah, Travis Hunters there takes care, right. I know we've
been saying line of scrimmage, line scrimmage and scrimmage. He's
he's a different type of prospect, right, But Mason Grahm
would be fantastic, And I do think even connect the
dots to Gladstone coming in his general maaguer what they
did last year with Braden Fisk, especially, Mason Graham is
just a little bit of an upgraded version of that.
(07:57):
So you get your three technique. A guy who never
loses on tape. Does he have fifteen sacks a year, No,
but he never loses, right, And in that way, he's
a lot like a guy like Quinn Williams, So it's
coming out he's a lot like Christian Wilkins was for
the Miami Dolphins, or Matabouque with the Raiders, another type
of guy who's had that type of success. So I
think if Mason Graham's there and those four players are
(08:20):
off the board, that's an easy pick for me.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
A couple of thoughts.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
There is Mason Graham, the type everything you're hearing at
the combine. Maybe not the perfect physical specimen, Yeah he's
going to blow you away in the airport, but an
absolute player on the field.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
So he absolute fits what we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
A little bit short armed, you know, he's not he's
not six', five you, know three twenty five and gonna
run a four to. Eight it's not who he, is
but he is a dominant. Player his ability to just
disrupt what the offensive line wants to. Do it's consistent and,
again LIKE i think sometimes when we watch, football it's
like you want to see the impact. Plays, well sometimes
it's the guy who's setting those impact plays. Up, sure
(08:58):
and that was him Consistently. Michigan michigan doesn't let their
defensive lineman just pin their ears back and go a,
lot which is why every year it feels like we
have A michigan first rounder on the d line and
you look at their, stats you're, like how's this? Guy
first round? Pick you didn't, have you, know it didn't.
Have he's just a great. Player So graham would be
one of those like foundational pieces it's somebody that now
(09:19):
you're able to build a team around.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
It now you kind of picked up something that you
know has been discussed in different. Places i've been around
the Combine Travis. Hunter even for a team like The
jaguars that clearly not only needs, line but their higher
ups are talking about that being absolutely. Critical yet along
comes a guy who might make them, wait, yeah for
(09:42):
a round or a year or, two start addressing.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
That, yeah and he. Is he's different because he fills
two needs at. Once, okay you, know because he can
play corner and wide receiver or however you see, it
wide receiver and then some. CORNER i think that checking
two boxes is what makes him such a unique player
to where you would maybe. Bypassing And i'll tell YOU
i Have Mason graham grated very closely To Travis, hunter
so like there would be some conflict, there like what
route do we go if he happens to be on the,
(10:06):
board what do we? DO i think the good news
with The jagson is probably not gonna be on the,
Board so you have to have that conversation and you
can go back to the original plan Of And i've
heard them talk about it as, well if, like, okay
we got a control line of scrimmage've got to build
the inside.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Here take me.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Through just a couple of the defensive, tackle offensive. Line
are the top physician. Groups maybe give me two or
three guys at each spot that you.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Like, yeah so the defensive line GROUP i. DO i
Love Abdul carter And Mason. Graham they're both in my
top three players, overall so huge fans of what they.
DO i Like Walter nolan From ole miss a. LOT
i heard he won't be working out. Here i'm a
little bit bummed to not see, that But i'm a
fan of his, ability especially if you're looking for a,
penetrator somebody that can go get after the. Quarterback he's a,
highly highly athletic guy on the offensive. LINE i think
(10:53):
this class has been almost disrespected a little. Bit it's
a good. Class Will campbell And Kelvin banks both started
for three years in the s see they were week
one starters as true. Freshman Kelvin banks gave up three
sacks in three. Years, okay that's fascinating to. Me and
he's not being talked about as you, know people, say,
oh he's Not Joe, Old he's not been a school
and he's a pretty good. Player you, know three sacks
(11:14):
in three. Years going Against georgia twice this, year only
gave up one. Sack things to, play everyone remembers and
it's kind of been held against. Him but it is
a good tackle. CLASS i would throw Armand membo From
missouri in. There he's a right tackle who might end
up playing guard because he's a little bit under six foot,
Four but it Is it is a good offensive line.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Class how.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Secondary is another area of The jaguars. Need it feels
like line is their priority and they have to figure
out how to address. Secondary how does that work throughout
the draft this year in terms of being able to
find guys to contribute in the secondary as you move,
on maybe a round three and.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Four, yeah it's not the deepest secondary. Draft it's really.
NOT i think at safety there's a little bit more
depth in rounds three and round. Four guys Like Xavier
wats From Notre dame potentially could be the top around.
Three andrew mccooba From, Texas Billy bowman From, oklahoma they're
in that round, three round four. Range they could be rookie.
Starters they could be impact, guys especially at free. Safety
the corner, class it's just it's not a deep corner.
(12:15):
There Trey amos From Ole miss probably gonna be a
top round two. Guy Osirea thomas From Florida state probably
be a top around two, guy but there's a pretty
significant drop off after like the fifth corner to where
you're almost reaching a little.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Bit got you final, question BECAUSE i could talk all
day to you about the. Draft wide Receiver Brian Thomas
junior is, there, obviously but it would be good for
this offense to be able to pick up one more
guy opposite. Him is that available in the draft round
two or? Three can you find a guy like?
Speaker 3 (12:44):
That you absolutely. CAN'T i think finding complimentary guys that's
where this wide receiver class is. Good maybe it doesn't
have like last year with all the wide receiver one,
types but there's a lot of good wide receiver two
types in this. Class Matthew golden From texas is probably
going to be at the top round, two round. Three
there's two guys From Iowa, State Jayden higgins And Jalen,
noel both to be very good complimentary. Players Jalen royles
(13:07):
From Utah state would give you a little bit more
athleticism underneath a guy who can make things. Happen after The,
Cats she's got a really, physical strong lower. Body it's
gonna give, you not to you, know give FANS, ptsd
but kind of Like Leviska chanlt you, know in terms of.
BUILD i think he's farther along as the receiver Than leavisco.
Was but this is a good. YEAR i think in
those day, two even early day three to get a
(13:28):
complimentary wide.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
OUT i know fans hearing this are gonna want more
From Matt. Miller we can watch you ON espn to
get that.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Right they, can, yeah or check out articles ON espn dot.
Com will be putting those. Out feels like every day
between now and the draft there will be something.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Great job as, ALWAYS i appreciate you. Joining, Thanks thank
you body
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