October 16, 2025 • 29 mins
Host Eric Allen is joined in the Audi Performance Studio for a conversation with ESPN's Bart Scott about how the Jets can build on their near-victory in London and preview the Green & White's Week 7 matchup with the upstart Carolina Panthers.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
This week we have Bart Scott right here in studio,
and I'm really excited about this one. We covered a
lot talking about his experience in London, his days as
a Jet, of course, his battles with Tom Brady and
Peyton Manning, and we also looked ahead at the Jets
game with the Panthers this weekend. We'd all be remiss
if we didn't mention Jet's legend, Nick Mangle. He took
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to social media Tuesday and said he's undergoing dialysis as
he pursues a kidney transplant.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Nick was a rock for this organization, starting.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
In one hundred and seventy one games, including seven playoff contests,
and he made seven Pro Bowls over eleven seasons.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
He remains part of the fabric of.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
This organization as he frequently appears on our content and
is a common sight at our events. We are sending
our love to Nick and his family, including his wife
Jennifer and their four children.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
He has always.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Talked about how passionate and how loyal you all are,
so we're praying he gets the help that he needs.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
You meet anybody in the world, and I think we're
gonna win. Next Sunday gets running way, can't wait, Put
your seat belts on and get ready for the ride.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
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from London.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
It was smooth. Yea.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Going there, it was a little turbulent, but like coming back,
it's nice and smooth.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Man.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I thought the Northeastern was going to kind of mess
everything up, but I guess it cleared everything out. Sometimes
after the storm, the atmosphere is nice, so it was
nice and smooth. Man.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Dude, I got a source.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
So people are telling me that you complain about all
the events that you had to do in London.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Listen, it wasn't. No, it wasn't all the events. It
was a game day. So I thought, I'm thinking game day.
I'm gonna be chilling watching the game. I'm saying, thought
I was gonna go up there, Holly Wood. He would
you know what I'm saying. I ain't called over my
boy in a long time.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
We chopped it up in a minute. I thought I
was gonna be up there eating popcorn and like wings.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Wrong. You didn't talk to the ambassador over there at.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
All, Man, not at all. Man. They had me.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
They had me like game day. I was there, sounds
I was there before you. I was every I was
at the stadium before the Jets. How rare does anybody
get there before the team get there?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Anybody? It wasn't nobody there?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
You are international man? A mystery.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Well, I tell you what, I hope they enjoyed it
because I put my heart and soul into my now
when I had to get to Kiko. Yeah, but I
had to write it down separately Maya and I put
Noa like Noah's art. Yeah right, but but it's not
spelled that for.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
People at home.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
So you were the guy who actually announced the Jets
starting defense to the stadiums.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
I'm trying to put a little swim going.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Give me Quinny, what do you do with Quinn? And
sometimes I couldn't hear a.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
See.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
I did something special for Quinny, Okay, I said the captain,
Oh who? I gave him that distinction to let everybody
know they do the Captain.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
What do you do?
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Number ninety five?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Number ninety Then then I said sauce up too, because
we say sauce gardeners is weak.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
I said, a mod sauce good.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
So what was it like when you practiced that on Saturday?
There's nobody there on Saturday.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
It wasn't, but it was some people run around.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
So it's actually more embarrassing, like when it's a couple
of people like you loud and like, what the hell
is he doing? They over there talking shooting shows and stuff,
and you know, I'm practicing stuff. I did, like calling
Malachi name because it's cool because you go Malachi, you
know what I mean. You can you can mess with
the Kai you know what I mean, and then the
Brownie Junior, but then the McDonald the fourth you know
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what I mean.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
You gotta figure out.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
You you gotta figure out you did.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
The NFL's talk to you after it, no, because they
can't see game.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Right Where were you? Yeah, they're coming out of the tunnel.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
They had me over there on the Broncos side. I
was over there talking to Jim Leonard. Jim Lynner was like, yo, man,
that that was man. We played. That was a horrible
game to play.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
To watch Jim Leonard, the defensive BAX coach for the
Denver Broncos. Why did I realize?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Man, I was like, yo, I saw my old teammate.
I was happy. He's well, when's the last time you
saw it? Jimmy last time we played with really like
like we'll talk. Yeah, like thirteen years because he was
a defensive coordinator at Yes, right, Yeah, he's defensive BAX
coach and he became the defensive coordinator for Wisconsin and
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he's been out there.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
He was there for seven years. You know, he's mister Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
So he went back there and then he's, as he said,
he's been in Denver for two years. Talked to Chanpagne
because you know, me and Champagne used to actively cuss
each other out every time we played.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
What's the backstory that f you you go after?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Ever?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I'm a jerker here, jerk like like he's one of
the guys. Like I was like, like, f you f
you like we go at it.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
But when did you get to a.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Certain point in your career where you're gonna go after
a guy like Peyton?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
And you no, but did you start from day one.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
No, no, remember I never played against the Saints very rarely,
but like I think it was something. I was chasing
Reggie Bush around field trying to kill him, and then
I think he said something. It's like shut up and
something like that and like get you, forget you, Like
you know what I'm saying. Only him and Bill Coward
and Mike Nolan are the only people I ever coaches.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
I ever actively like threatened.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Oh really yeah, I told Bill Coyler's gonna knock his
chin off liter Did he sick? He sicked James Harris
on me like that don't mean nothing to me. Yeah,
but he a dog. I'm a dog too.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
You and Tomlin had a good relationship.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Yeah, yeah, that was yeah, Yeah, that was that was fun.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
You know what I'm saying, because you know, he was
like just a cool guy, like when he like ran
the play, like, hey, he had a missive amount of
respect about how I played the game. I had a
mintal amount of respect about how he coached and how
he never made excuses no matter if they want or lost.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Right, So do you Flashbackstone nine at all? In Free Interesting?
When you see you guy like Leonard.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Like man, well, that's my guy, man like because remember,
Jim Lennard was a He owes a lot of credit
to Rex for recognizing who he was and Rex for
always allowing the best player to play. Because Jim Leonard
came to us in Baltimore on a ten day contract,
a ten day contract like like basketball, ten day contract,
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like we get ten days. He had got cut from
the Buffalo. Then he made our team and he actually
started starting for us like and play a big role
in Baltimore, so much so that soon as Rex left,
it was a no brainer to bring Jim Leonard here.
And he played well for us. He returned kicks for us,
he got a lot of picks. The fact that he
got hurt during the middle of the week is while
we got our ass kicked by New England.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Ed Reed could play with anybody. I could play read
because he's gonna make players. But what was it like
to have those two guys behind you in Baltimore? Because
Jimmy felt like a guy who knew that, Hey, listen,
this guy is otherworldly talents, so we're gonna let him freelance.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
But remember it wasn't Jimmy all the time. Jim played
sparely He didn't start, but he played in a lot
of our packages. Remember it was Dwan Landry who played here,
so it was him, like he was a rookie, so
like we had a bunch of all stars in one
rookie that was like, hey, y'all better keep up. It
was him and this guy named Ronnie Prue. I can
remember we went back to New Orleans that game where
I was trying to kill Reggie Bush and like they
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both scored touchdowns on defense, I got to pick and score.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Yeah, it's like it was dope.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Well that's what you guys did in Baltimore. It wasn't
that you just took the ball away. You guys were
known for scoring.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
We had to because we scared our offense.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Well listen, I remember getting to give an offensive ball
on the twenty and we punted like, oh hell no,
you got your ball on the twenty. You lost thirty
five yards and so and penalty's and bunty.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
And that's one thing that we talk about with this
Jets team is that there's a learning process going on.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah, I know, I'm so proud of the defense this
week because one of the players I broke down that
you had up there yes, or YouTube so often, and
and the paths are gonna do this too. They're gonna
yo your motion and play with you like you don't
have to play those games.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
You just pass it off. You just rock and roll.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
If your guy go across, safety comes down, take you
take the safety spot. If he goes back, and you'll
just rorotate on the shoint streak. Make him do all
the running, let him get tired. You ain't gotta be
chasing around trying to figure out if this guy gonna
go all the way across the center, because they'll do that,
go across the center, then they'll pivot back out and
have you running.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
You can't see him. But if you just communicate.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
So it was Cisco, and it was it was Cisco
and Stevens and Cisco Stevens went back to play safety.
Cisco took the receiver and he funneled him to him
and they combined him. And that's the play that Jermaine
Johnson got the sack quarter put right. Yeah, that's because
they communicated.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
But I will say sure when by far, I thought
he had his best game on Sunday, right, and min
all played well too.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Yeah, see, but those are what I'm saying is those
are things, yep, that didn't get you beat, that could
get you beat. So like it's always good to have
instances come up that doesn't hurt you that could hurt
you because you got time to correct it and you
don't hurt your team.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
So this is like the third time.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Remember he was spying on Josh Allen and he went
to the right and jobs bossed off the left and
had that big run. He was spying, so you have
to he has to realize that you need to stay
off the ball because the lineman can't come get you,
So don't commit because once they got.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
You, you ain't going creating lanes of space, right and.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
You the spy, so spy, you're supposed to stay back,
so you have to be patient.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
I don't think Bryce Song's taken off too much this week.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
I'll tell you what they better watch out for dollars.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Well, what are you seeing from Donald? What are you
seeing form their offensive line? Because you just looked at
a few of.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Those just angles right this power football.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Uh, he does great job in pressing downhill and then
being able to cut and they doing old school stuff.
So like saust and Stevens better get ready to tackle
because they're gonna go down. They're gonna crack crack and
say all right, and they're gonna pull a guard and
they're gonna they're gonna run to the pair tight ends
and they're gonna say, all right, let's see how bad
Joe Corner.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Wanna wanna wanta? I want to want to tackle?
Speaker 3 (10:25):
And I tell you what, I've never seen linebackers look
so lost in watching that Dallas game, Like, like, Bro,
they run into the right and the linemen, the linebackers
are running straight to a gap to the left and
he's running to the right.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
You are known as the man backer.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
How upset do you get when you watch linebackers who
are either taking the wrong angles.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
It's one thing, or playing with the wrong leverage.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
It's one thing not to have talent.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
It's another thing to have talent but no no awareness,
Like it's better to have awareness and talent like it's
it's the difference between having a guy that that that's
that has football acumen, that can throw the ball from
the pocket, a postal guy that just relies on athleticism
all the time. Right, it drives you crazy because the
game is played eighty percent from the shoulders up.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Everything else is extra.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Like I can show you a lot of players that
didn't have a lot of athletic ability, but because they
were so smart, they're very effective. I mean, that's how
guys like Brock Purdy can play at a high level.
Guys like Mac Jones, you know, guys that can sit.
That's how Flacco can still play somewhat this decent just
using his head even though he gonna throw you two
pick sixes. You know what I'm saying in his in
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his older age, like he's just a gunsling.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
He don't care.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
But but he might throw out for three or four touchdown.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Right, So it depends on if he's hot, if he not,
or if you drop him or not.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
So we use the word instincts all the time. Some
people did not play professional football, like myself.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
What can be taught?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
And then all and also what is.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
That's something internal that's intrinsic.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
That's what I have because my argument with you is
that anybody walks in and jumps in and watches you
break down film or listens to you talk for a minute,
is that you just got it naturally upstairs. And then
on top of it, you go to the field, and
you're not one of those guys who just.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Can talk about it.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
You can see it and you're gonna act on it
as soon as there's any hint of it happening.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Some of that as natural ALTA is being taught as well,
and it's conceptionally. You got to learn the concepts like
you don't learn individual things. You understand what it means
at a greater scale. And to do that, you have
to step back and you have to learn what everybody's
job is. And you can't see it from your as
a defensive player. I can't know football from only a
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defensive perspective. I need to know what they're being taught
and how they're taught to attack me, and how they're
taught to read what I'm doing. So then that's the
chess game then, right, that's why I like. But it's
not a lot of chess games being played anymore. Right,
Like back in the day, Peyton knew what we were
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gonna do, or Brady knew what we were gonna do, and
we knew what he was going to do, and he
knew we knew what he was going to do, so
he would change things that he would do and do
something different. So that's the game within the game. Right,
Remember the last game, Remember the last play with Peyton,
we always came to zero blitz. We knew that he
would check to a quick screen, so we faked like
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we were going to all our blitz and we dropped
out of it. I made the tackle on Stokely. We
go to the AFC Championship. That's just from watching film
and understanding what he's taught, making him out smarterself. I
know that you know that I know, So I'm gonna
do something that you don't know that I know, and
I'm gonna switch it up just this one time. Like
you would go out there and Peyton Manny would have
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something in the first half. But see, but this takes
great practice, in great.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Chemistry with your team.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Peyton Manning would literally go out on the field and
he may say instead of blue ninety, he might say
yellow yellow, and yellow means run to the left. First
thing we do, Coach. He's saying, yellow, man run to
the left. You here, yellow, I want you to go.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Lenny Lenny, Lenny, Lenny, Lenny, Lenny.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Means we're gonna slant to the left.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Right. That's what yellow meant.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
In the first quarter, yellow in the second courd means
something totally different. But you know how smart you have
to be to be that team to say, okay, we
go into our second color system and then be able
not to jump off side. That takes practice, professionalism, and
a standard. It's not like that no more. They don't
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get into the nuance of the mental part of the game.
These young guys just say, oh, they all think, they
all think they're bigger, faster, and stronger than us. They're
not bigger, first of all, they're not stronger, and they're
not particularly more athletic. Like who's the most athletic receiving
the league right now? Can't say Pooking the cool because
he's a little fatty, Like who's.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
The most but yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Jordan Jempson is not an overly athletic guy.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
He's a monster and he's great body control.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
But Jamar Chase, Jamar Chase is no different from Andre Johnson.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I'll tell you what to put Garrett right up there.
Yeah you get you.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Can put Garrett right there. But if you give me Garrett,
I give you oo. You know what I'm saying. So
it's not see but they think it's different. See, but
what the old guys got that the new guys don't have.
It's the acumen because they rely so much on their
athletic ability that they don't really see the game the
way they're supposed to. That's why a lot of the
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guys that are the best guys aren't necessarily the biggest
guys pooking the cool right. Deebo Samuel Deebo Samue is
a running back, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (15:50):
He's not.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
He's not more athletic than Percy Harvin. Percey Harve can
do everything that Debo can do, but at a much
faster rate. So so like some of the guys that
are old school, new school guys to have an old
school mentality can play forever because they have both when
so often the college game is all about speed and
angles and making it easy playing, making you play in space,
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but keep playing a phone booth.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
So you like to play in the phone booth.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
By the way, while we're talking about some old school
stuff right now, And I talked to you plenty about
this over the.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Years, but.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Brady Manning, who did you enjoy playing against Moore? And
who was the more difficult guy?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
To defend.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
It was Peyton Manning.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Peyton Manning was always a more difficult player to play against,
especially in his heyday at the height of his superpowers.
Tom Brady is a great player, great competitor, but it's
it's not complicated. Peyton Manning make your head hurt because
he's a it's always something. He's changing, something, he's evolving,
he's seeing something, he's reading everything you do. He's challenging
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and studying you from like when you were in high school,
like you like he like he monocal like that tom
Brady was about execution, right, And yeah, I don't want
to cheapen like tom Brady at all, but you had
to study more and like even the stuff before, like
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the week before, like you study it and it actually
literally meant nothing. Right, You had to pay attention to
Peyton man and see, Okay, this is what they're doing today,
because he might make something totally different up, so you
studying what he did yesterday that was for a particular.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
And that quarter by quarter could feel like four different
game finds. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Yeah, that's why we always kept a different game plan.
But when he switched, we switched so because we can't
give him the dots of the same stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
So getting back to Jimmy and you and talking about
this current roster, and you've talked about the learning process
to Aaron Glenn, this coaching staff has to have because
they have to learn their personnel. You can anticipate what
the personnel is actually gonna be, but you won't know until.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
You start playing games. It isn't that part of it.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Because one of the things that Rex did early on
here is was a good roster that he inherited in
oh Ey started old ninety and he knew it, but
he brought you and Jimmy in because you guys were
gonna be the key pieces that extensions the coaching staff.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Because because like guys don't guys are only going to
ask their coach so many questions because they don't want
to be the guy that's always raising their hand, making
people stand meetings longer and all that stuff, you know
what I mean. But they can always talk to a
player like so like if it was a linebacker that
I didn't understand something from a linebacker perspective, I could
explain it to him. And if it was something from
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a defensive back perspective, Jimmy can explain it to him.
So now everybody the mistakes we didn't when we got here,
you noticed that we didn't have no mistakes, like but
Leedo Shepherd Reeves, Eric Carrie Drew. This is all new
for them. But we we didn't have blown coverages. We
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didn't have any It was like it was it was,
it was a symphony. And you know, Glenn didn't bring
anybody in to help teach that. I mean, I didn't
even mention Mark. He's Douglas being able to explain.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah, another third former, Raven.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
This is how we played a reduced front.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
This how like this like he like Markey, Dougs used
to be calling the the the coverage adjustments from a
three point stand like oh why off, why off, you off?
Speaker 4 (19:33):
You off?
Speaker 3 (19:33):
All right, you're ready for the check to to to
under alert under. When you got everybody talking like that, man,
it was like it was hard to get one over.
That's why we'd have the number one defense the first year.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
So I remember all nine that summer We're at Courtland
and I chased it down and you said, oh, well,
if we're gonna do some kind of radio or podcasts.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
We had to do it with Douglas. You're bringing your
brother along people to eat man man out.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Yeah he's he's just Charlotte right now. But he's just
a good dude.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Defensively so.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Jermaine, Yeah, he makes he he he may not you
can say he's not our best player.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
He's our most important player.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
He creates the entire team or defense, well, definitely for defense.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, you gotta put Garrett up there, because.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
What he does is he sets the table for everybody.
He allows Michael Clemens to be reckless and playing the
inside and not have any responsibilities because he don't have
the edge. You got the edges covered. He can be
he can go in there and just create habit, right.
But also it allows will to be able to have
freedom because they're not sliding to him every time and
doubling him and making sure that he doesn't get loose
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because they feel okay, Well, Clemens when he's on the outside,
isn't a natural pass rusher. A guy that may help
stop the edge, but he's really a guy that's a
twinter between the d N and the d tackle. Right,
So like he's basically like Franklin Myers, you know what
I'm saying. So Tremaine settles everything down because he's the
best player against the run in the past that we
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have too. He can convert on on on paths. You
saw him almost get the one on the on the
first turnover. It was him harassing bow knicks, you know
what I mean, because he couldn't quite bend the corner back.
I think his ankle isn't quite healthy and he hasn't
really got that flex being that ben to be able
to make that sharp like turn. But you know, he
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made the turn for the for the one to win,
to win the game or to force the punt, you
know what I mean. Later in the game, that's that ankle,
and everything warmed up, you know what I mean. So
like he's the most important piece because he makes everybody
else's job easy. He's what we call a force muffler.
He's a big man, you know what I mean. So like,
so like now these d tackles, they looking at the
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guy that's looking at him eye to eye. They're like, whoa,
let me get let me get the brace. And they're like, oh,
by the way, he's athletic and fast. Wow, Okay, well
that's that's different.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Uh, he's got your mindset.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
You know, he's one of my favorite players.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yeah, he plays like Bart Scott. Speaking of that Brownly,
how much did you like his juice?
Speaker 4 (22:11):
You got a little salt and vinegar too, Yeah, they
needed they needed to.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
I thought I thought it was a mishap that when
Charles Gardner Johnson wasn't there, that we didn't go out
and get him because he like, we needed somebody that
got a little little vinegar to him, somebody that's gonna
stir stuff up, a little pistol starter, you know what
I mean so to speak. So like you know, he
he brings that attitude. That's one, and we know when
Quincy comes back, he's another. I mean, you need about
three or four of those type of guys out there
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that's gonna be like yeah, because like their energy plugs. Now,
when you look across town and you look at Scatterbool
and Dark, they're little fire starters and it's not that
they're playing great, it's that the energy is infectious.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah, that's a good point of a good point about
Quincy too.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Then if you got those three guys on the field.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Now you got juice.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
You can't have too much of that because it'd be
like like, hey, somebody nobody can count nobody down, everybody
just making everybody and then you getting pilled because everybody
like no, kill him, kill him, you need somebody, Like
but who was the guy counting?
Speaker 4 (23:05):
You know who wasn't it? It was Ray it Reed
like Dion, Like, man, come on, bart.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I told you when I met my mom, the first
thing he said to her said, Mama, what's wrong with her?
Speaker 1 (23:16):
He's so he's so angry.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
He thought that she was gonna say.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
But you smile all the time when you smiling off
the field in Baltimore. No, not early on.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
I don't smile on the field every once in a while,
but like usually I'm usually I'm bringing that Brian Branch's energy.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
All the time.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
No, I would have did the exact same thing to Juju.
You would have remember I swung on Richie. Ye need dude,
you talk about Richie for every day for I don't.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Know how many years, and I chased him into the tunnel, yes,
like he tried to, Like you can't.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
By the way, I don't want to be in the
same area code.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
If you and Richie to this day see each other
at a restaurant, yeah, you could be at PF Changs.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
I mean, you go after him, Richie off off, the
Richie off the enhancements. Probably can't even walk right right now,
you know what I'm saying. That's why I had the
neck roll.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah, but probably was funny after the game is I
talked to him after the game too, and he said,
I played with Jermaine at Florida State, Okay, and I
I can know what time it is, so they know
what time it is.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
But He's like, I kind of gotta get off get
on him.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Well, I gotta get HiPE him up.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Well, no, he said, he don't need to get hot up.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I gotta almost see cam him down on them, okay,
because he's ready to roll.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
You need a company of okay at seventeen one week seasons.
But how you carry this over?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
As far as you were looking at the film like
Carolina now defensively, are you to the point where small
sample size but a Denver offense that has some good
elements and Peyton's a good play caller, are you confident that, hey,
this could carry over?
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Now I saw, well they're gonna have to stop the run.
And you know it's funny, right, You know, I was
working the game and they yeah, I hear it. I
heard about that, but but did.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
You hear like things I was saying, like what they
was like, Bort, what's your announcements?
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Gay?
Speaker 3 (24:58):
I was making sure I was telling what was going
on so that our team can say. I'm like, yeah,
all they doing is using the screens.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Oh you were talking another bench.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
She thought I couldn't. I was talking over this, I know,
but I was on the side, but I was infect
in my ear. But I'm doing radio sideline.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Yeah, so I was.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
I was. I was like, I was like yeah. I
was like, all they're doing is using the the the
screen game as the extension of the run.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
They're just screening it up. I was saying that. I
was like, so that the team could hear, Like.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Bro, relaxed, You're about to get a bunch of screens.
So if you're de lining, step and retrace, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Like, So, I was like, I'll get running feel off.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Yeah, I'm out there trying to fight for them, like look, yeah, look, man,
come on, man, like they ain't doing it but screen.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
I don't know if y'all see it yet, but I've
been seeing it.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Dolls getting big time production in the last two games.
One of the two hundred yards from scrimmage Carolina is
interesting because you look at them, they got some elements.
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Speaker 1 (26:14):
What do you do offensively? If he's not there, I.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Go jumbo and I just score my best guys. I
mean I would also do what I saw the Falcons
do use to use Breese as a receiver two B
two tailback set and then put Briese in the slot.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
That's exactly what they did. That did that And what's
what's the start to a el Gier? Yeah, Eljier? What's
the tailback?
Speaker 3 (26:39):
But at times v Jon lined up at the slot
on the line of scrimmage as a true receiver. And
then if they if they get if they get into that, okay,
we're gonna match that with We're gonna match that with
a nickelback. Then you put Breese in the backfield and say, okay,
you can cover them. But now because y'all y'all lighting
up the package, can you tackle.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Right, Yeah, because this is a totally different defense. They've
been successful stopping to run, but if you really look
at Carolina's.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
High, it's how you want to run on them.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Okay, Like it's different ways to run on teams like
I used to, like how Chan Gaily used to run
against us.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
You go four wives, which means you put little people out.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
When they were in buffalo your sense. Yeah, yeah, you
go four.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Wives, and then you run in your same power plays
out of four wives, but instead of using tight ends,
you're just using receivers and you're making so much space
because you spreading everybody out and then basically just run
and pull the pull the pull the guard and running
power runs out of it.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Personal you can you can dictate what we're doing the exactly.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
If I feel like my base package can't compete with
your base package, then I'm gonna see if my small
package can can compare to to to your light package
and see if your if your nickels and light dying
for want to tackle breeze.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
I think it's happening this week. I think just to
get in the first one, I hope.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
So, man, we need it. I mean they've been knocking
on the door.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
They see if they can they can continue to see,
the defense can continue and the offense can catch up
in the special teams because the special teams playing the
l upset they had too. They had two of the
two of the three phases playing at the elite level.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Right, this is the week.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
So isn't it your baby girl's birthday? Well?
Speaker 1 (28:14):
No, she had picture dad school today.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Oh picture day, pecher day? Gotcha?
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Who did the hair? Mom did the hair?
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Flattening it out all that stuff. Did you put a
little makeup on or nothing?
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Come on, man, they know they put it like the lip,
the sparkly lip gloss on like little girls, and do
the nails and stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I gotta ask you about that.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Yeah, I'm a veteran on all the little kiss uf.
I've been there, done that.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
But uh, you got any reviews for London? Getting back
to that, did you enjoy yourself over side?
Speaker 4 (28:39):
I did? I did. I'm not new to London, but yo,
I know.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
But I have a I have a story real quick
before we get out of here. That the first night
I saw Bart was Friday and he was upset that
we didn't invite him to go to the London to
the United Kingdom's Yeah soccer games, soccer game against Welles.
It was an international friendly at one play, so you
amy hell about that. But we did a Q and
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A with yourself and Wayne Crabat and and Eric Coleman,
and you had time before he went over to the
pub to go out shopping and he came in there
with this beautiful coat.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I left it.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
I'm trying to get it. I left it at the hotel,
you know, you know, trying to fight with people. You
know what proud of that coat?
Speaker 2 (29:25):
It was?
Speaker 3 (29:26):
It was just the first mink was inside going down
Abby Road. Yea, my whole back was sweat. But I
was really left it and I did because I was gonna.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Wear it on the plane.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
What does the hotel have it?
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:38):
But but I haven't been a in contact, so I
had to call Someway from the NFL to get in
contact with them. But they onn a different time clock,
so epicially, I better get my coat back.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Bart Scott, he never has any jet like do you.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
I'm jacked up on Montain Dew Baby, Thanks Bro,
Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
This week we have Bart Scott right here in studio,
and I'm really excited about this one. We covered a
lot talking about his experience in London, his days as
a Jet, of course, his battles with Tom Brady and
Peyton Manning, and we also looked ahead at the Jets
game with the Panthers this weekend. We'd all be remiss
if we didn't mention Jet's legend, Nick Mangle. He took
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to social media Tuesday and said he's undergoing dialysis as
he pursues a kidney transplant.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Nick was a rock for this organization, starting.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
In one hundred and seventy one games, including seven playoff contests,
and he made seven Pro Bowls over eleven seasons.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
He remains part of the fabric of.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
This organization as he frequently appears on our content and
is a common sight at our events. We are sending
our love to Nick and his family, including his wife
Jennifer and their four children.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
He has always.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Talked about how passionate and how loyal you all are,
so we're praying he gets the help that he needs.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
You meet anybody in the world, and I think we're
gonna win. Next Sunday gets running way, can't wait, Put
your seat belts on and get ready for the ride.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
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Speaker 4 (01:43):
It was smooth. Yea.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Going there, it was a little turbulent, but like coming back,
it's nice and smooth.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Man.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I thought the Northeastern was going to kind of mess
everything up, but I guess it cleared everything out. Sometimes
after the storm, the atmosphere is nice, so it was
nice and smooth. Man.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Dude, I got a source.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
So people are telling me that you complain about all
the events that you had to do in London.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Listen, it wasn't. No, it wasn't all the events. It
was a game day. So I thought, I'm thinking game day.
I'm gonna be chilling watching the game. I'm saying, thought
I was gonna go up there, Holly Wood. He would
you know what I'm saying. I ain't called over my
boy in a long time.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
We chopped it up in a minute. I thought I
was gonna be up there eating popcorn and like wings.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Wrong. You didn't talk to the ambassador over there at.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
All, Man, not at all. Man. They had me.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
They had me like game day. I was there, sounds
I was there before you. I was every I was
at the stadium before the Jets. How rare does anybody
get there before the team get there?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Anybody? It wasn't nobody there?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
You are international man? A mystery.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Well, I tell you what, I hope they enjoyed it
because I put my heart and soul into my now
when I had to get to Kiko. Yeah, but I
had to write it down separately Maya and I put
Noa like Noah's art. Yeah right, but but it's not
spelled that for.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
People at home.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
So you were the guy who actually announced the Jets
starting defense to the stadiums.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
I'm trying to put a little swim going.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Give me Quinny, what do you do with Quinn? And
sometimes I couldn't hear a.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
See.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
I did something special for Quinny, Okay, I said the captain,
Oh who? I gave him that distinction to let everybody
know they do the Captain.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
What do you do?
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Number ninety five?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Number ninety Then then I said sauce up too, because
we say sauce gardeners is weak.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
I said, a mod sauce good.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
So what was it like when you practiced that on Saturday?
There's nobody there on Saturday.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
It wasn't, but it was some people run around.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
So it's actually more embarrassing, like when it's a couple
of people like you loud and like, what the hell
is he doing? They over there talking shooting shows and stuff,
and you know, I'm practicing stuff. I did, like calling
Malachi name because it's cool because you go Malachi, you
know what I mean. You can you can mess with
the Kai you know what I mean, and then the
Brownie Junior, but then the McDonald the fourth you know
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what I mean.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
You gotta figure out.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
You you gotta figure out you did.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
The NFL's talk to you after it, no, because they
can't see game.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Right Where were you? Yeah, they're coming out of the tunnel.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
They had me over there on the Broncos side. I
was over there talking to Jim Leonard. Jim Lynner was like, yo, man,
that that was man. We played. That was a horrible
game to play.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
To watch Jim Leonard, the defensive BAX coach for the
Denver Broncos. Why did I realize?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Man, I was like, yo, I saw my old teammate.
I was happy. He's well, when's the last time you
saw it? Jimmy last time we played with really like
like we'll talk. Yeah, like thirteen years because he was
a defensive coordinator at Yes, right, Yeah, he's defensive BAX
coach and he became the defensive coordinator for Wisconsin and
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he's been out there.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
He was there for seven years. You know, he's mister Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
So he went back there and then he's, as he said,
he's been in Denver for two years. Talked to Chanpagne
because you know, me and Champagne used to actively cuss
each other out every time we played.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
What's the backstory that f you you go after?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Ever?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I'm a jerker here, jerk like like he's one of
the guys. Like I was like, like, f you f
you like we go at it.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
But when did you get to a.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Certain point in your career where you're gonna go after
a guy like Peyton?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
And you no, but did you start from day one.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
No, no, remember I never played against the Saints very rarely,
but like I think it was something. I was chasing
Reggie Bush around field trying to kill him, and then
I think he said something. It's like shut up and
something like that and like get you, forget you, Like
you know what I'm saying. Only him and Bill Coward
and Mike Nolan are the only people I ever coaches.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
I ever actively like threatened.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Oh really yeah, I told Bill Coyler's gonna knock his
chin off liter Did he sick? He sicked James Harris
on me like that don't mean nothing to me. Yeah,
but he a dog. I'm a dog too.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
You and Tomlin had a good relationship.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Yeah, yeah, that was yeah, Yeah, that was that was fun.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
You know what I'm saying, because you know, he was
like just a cool guy, like when he like ran
the play, like, hey, he had a missive amount of
respect about how I played the game. I had a
mintal amount of respect about how he coached and how
he never made excuses no matter if they want or lost.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Right, So do you Flashbackstone nine at all? In Free Interesting?
When you see you guy like Leonard.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Like man, well, that's my guy, man like because remember,
Jim Lennard was a He owes a lot of credit
to Rex for recognizing who he was and Rex for
always allowing the best player to play. Because Jim Leonard
came to us in Baltimore on a ten day contract,
a ten day contract like like basketball, ten day contract,
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like we get ten days. He had got cut from
the Buffalo. Then he made our team and he actually
started starting for us like and play a big role
in Baltimore, so much so that soon as Rex left,
it was a no brainer to bring Jim Leonard here.
And he played well for us. He returned kicks for us,
he got a lot of picks. The fact that he
got hurt during the middle of the week is while
we got our ass kicked by New England.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Ed Reed could play with anybody. I could play read
because he's gonna make players. But what was it like
to have those two guys behind you in Baltimore? Because
Jimmy felt like a guy who knew that, Hey, listen,
this guy is otherworldly talents, so we're gonna let him freelance.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
But remember it wasn't Jimmy all the time. Jim played
sparely He didn't start, but he played in a lot
of our packages. Remember it was Dwan Landry who played here,
so it was him, like he was a rookie, so
like we had a bunch of all stars in one
rookie that was like, hey, y'all better keep up. It
was him and this guy named Ronnie Prue. I can
remember we went back to New Orleans that game where
I was trying to kill Reggie Bush and like they
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both scored touchdowns on defense, I got to pick and score.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Yeah, it's like it was dope.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Well that's what you guys did in Baltimore. It wasn't
that you just took the ball away. You guys were
known for scoring.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
We had to because we scared our offense.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Well listen, I remember getting to give an offensive ball
on the twenty and we punted like, oh hell no,
you got your ball on the twenty. You lost thirty
five yards and so and penalty's and bunty.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
And that's one thing that we talk about with this
Jets team is that there's a learning process going on.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah, I know, I'm so proud of the defense this
week because one of the players I broke down that
you had up there yes, or YouTube so often, and
and the paths are gonna do this too. They're gonna
yo your motion and play with you like you don't
have to play those games.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
You just pass it off. You just rock and roll.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
If your guy go across, safety comes down, take you
take the safety spot. If he goes back, and you'll
just rorotate on the shoint streak. Make him do all
the running, let him get tired. You ain't gotta be
chasing around trying to figure out if this guy gonna
go all the way across the center, because they'll do that,
go across the center, then they'll pivot back out and
have you running.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
You can't see him. But if you just communicate.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
So it was Cisco, and it was it was Cisco
and Stevens and Cisco Stevens went back to play safety.
Cisco took the receiver and he funneled him to him
and they combined him. And that's the play that Jermaine
Johnson got the sack quarter put right. Yeah, that's because
they communicated.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
But I will say sure when by far, I thought
he had his best game on Sunday, right, and min
all played well too.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Yeah, see, but those are what I'm saying is those
are things, yep, that didn't get you beat, that could
get you beat. So like it's always good to have
instances come up that doesn't hurt you that could hurt
you because you got time to correct it and you
don't hurt your team.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
So this is like the third time.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Remember he was spying on Josh Allen and he went
to the right and jobs bossed off the left and
had that big run. He was spying, so you have
to he has to realize that you need to stay
off the ball because the lineman can't come get you,
So don't commit because once they got.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
You, you ain't going creating lanes of space, right and.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
You the spy, so spy, you're supposed to stay back,
so you have to be patient.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
I don't think Bryce Song's taken off too much this week.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
I'll tell you what they better watch out for dollars.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Well, what are you seeing from Donald? What are you
seeing form their offensive line? Because you just looked at
a few of.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Those just angles right this power football.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Uh, he does great job in pressing downhill and then
being able to cut and they doing old school stuff.
So like saust and Stevens better get ready to tackle
because they're gonna go down. They're gonna crack crack and
say all right, and they're gonna pull a guard and
they're gonna they're gonna run to the pair tight ends
and they're gonna say, all right, let's see how bad
Joe Corner.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Wanna wanna wanta? I want to want to tackle?
Speaker 3 (10:25):
And I tell you what, I've never seen linebackers look
so lost in watching that Dallas game, Like, like, Bro,
they run into the right and the linemen, the linebackers
are running straight to a gap to the left and
he's running to the right.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
You are known as the man backer.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
How upset do you get when you watch linebackers who
are either taking the wrong angles.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
It's one thing, or playing with the wrong leverage.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
It's one thing not to have talent.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
It's another thing to have talent but no no awareness,
Like it's better to have awareness and talent like it's
it's the difference between having a guy that that that's
that has football acumen, that can throw the ball from
the pocket, a postal guy that just relies on athleticism
all the time. Right, it drives you crazy because the
game is played eighty percent from the shoulders up.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Everything else is extra.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Like I can show you a lot of players that
didn't have a lot of athletic ability, but because they
were so smart, they're very effective. I mean, that's how
guys like Brock Purdy can play at a high level.
Guys like Mac Jones, you know, guys that can sit.
That's how Flacco can still play somewhat this decent just
using his head even though he gonna throw you two
pick sixes. You know what I'm saying in his in
(11:39):
his older age, like he's just a gunsling.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
He don't care.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
But but he might throw out for three or four touchdown.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Right, So it depends on if he's hot, if he not,
or if you drop him or not.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
So we use the word instincts all the time. Some
people did not play professional football, like myself.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
What can be taught?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
And then all and also what is.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
That's something internal that's intrinsic.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
That's what I have because my argument with you is
that anybody walks in and jumps in and watches you
break down film or listens to you talk for a minute,
is that you just got it naturally upstairs. And then
on top of it, you go to the field, and
you're not one of those guys who just.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Can talk about it.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
You can see it and you're gonna act on it
as soon as there's any hint of it happening.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Some of that as natural ALTA is being taught as well,
and it's conceptionally. You got to learn the concepts like
you don't learn individual things. You understand what it means
at a greater scale. And to do that, you have
to step back and you have to learn what everybody's
job is. And you can't see it from your as
a defensive player. I can't know football from only a
(12:50):
defensive perspective. I need to know what they're being taught
and how they're taught to attack me, and how they're
taught to read what I'm doing. So then that's the
chess game then, right, that's why I like. But it's
not a lot of chess games being played anymore. Right,
Like back in the day, Peyton knew what we were
(13:10):
gonna do, or Brady knew what we were gonna do, and
we knew what he was going to do, and he
knew we knew what he was going to do, so
he would change things that he would do and do
something different. So that's the game within the game. Right,
Remember the last game, Remember the last play with Peyton,
we always came to zero blitz. We knew that he
would check to a quick screen, so we faked like
(13:31):
we were going to all our blitz and we dropped
out of it. I made the tackle on Stokely. We
go to the AFC Championship. That's just from watching film
and understanding what he's taught, making him out smarterself. I
know that you know that I know, So I'm gonna
do something that you don't know that I know, and
I'm gonna switch it up just this one time. Like
you would go out there and Peyton Manny would have
(13:52):
something in the first half. But see, but this takes
great practice, in great.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Chemistry with your team.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Peyton Manning would literally go out on the field and
he may say instead of blue ninety, he might say
yellow yellow, and yellow means run to the left. First
thing we do, Coach. He's saying, yellow, man run to
the left. You here, yellow, I want you to go.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Lenny Lenny, Lenny, Lenny, Lenny, Lenny.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Means we're gonna slant to the left.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Right. That's what yellow meant.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
In the first quarter, yellow in the second courd means
something totally different. But you know how smart you have
to be to be that team to say, okay, we
go into our second color system and then be able
not to jump off side. That takes practice, professionalism, and
a standard. It's not like that no more. They don't
(14:41):
get into the nuance of the mental part of the game.
These young guys just say, oh, they all think, they
all think they're bigger, faster, and stronger than us. They're
not bigger, first of all, they're not stronger, and they're
not particularly more athletic. Like who's the most athletic receiving
the league right now? Can't say Pooking the cool because
he's a little fatty, Like who's.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
The most but yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Jordan Jempson is not an overly athletic guy.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
He's a monster and he's great body control.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
But Jamar Chase, Jamar Chase is no different from Andre Johnson.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I'll tell you what to put Garrett right up there.
Yeah you get you.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Can put Garrett right there. But if you give me Garrett,
I give you oo. You know what I'm saying. So
it's not see but they think it's different. See, but
what the old guys got that the new guys don't have.
It's the acumen because they rely so much on their
athletic ability that they don't really see the game the
way they're supposed to. That's why a lot of the
(15:41):
guys that are the best guys aren't necessarily the biggest
guys pooking the cool right. Deebo Samuel Deebo Samue is
a running back, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (15:50):
He's not.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
He's not more athletic than Percy Harvin. Percey Harve can
do everything that Debo can do, but at a much
faster rate. So so like some of the guys that
are old school, new school guys to have an old
school mentality can play forever because they have both when
so often the college game is all about speed and
angles and making it easy playing, making you play in space,
(16:12):
but keep playing a phone booth.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
So you like to play in the phone booth.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
By the way, while we're talking about some old school
stuff right now, And I talked to you plenty about
this over the.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Years, but.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Brady Manning, who did you enjoy playing against Moore? And
who was the more difficult guy?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
To defend.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
It was Peyton Manning.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Peyton Manning was always a more difficult player to play against,
especially in his heyday at the height of his superpowers.
Tom Brady is a great player, great competitor, but it's
it's not complicated. Peyton Manning make your head hurt because
he's a it's always something. He's changing, something, he's evolving,
he's seeing something, he's reading everything you do. He's challenging
(17:01):
and studying you from like when you were in high school,
like you like he like he monocal like that tom
Brady was about execution, right, And yeah, I don't want
to cheapen like tom Brady at all, but you had
to study more and like even the stuff before, like
(17:21):
the week before, like you study it and it actually
literally meant nothing. Right, You had to pay attention to
Peyton man and see, Okay, this is what they're doing today,
because he might make something totally different up, so you
studying what he did yesterday that was for a particular.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
And that quarter by quarter could feel like four different
game finds. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Yeah, that's why we always kept a different game plan.
But when he switched, we switched so because we can't
give him the dots of the same stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
So getting back to Jimmy and you and talking about
this current roster, and you've talked about the learning process
to Aaron Glenn, this coaching staff has to have because
they have to learn their personnel. You can anticipate what
the personnel is actually gonna be, but you won't know until.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
You start playing games. It isn't that part of it.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Because one of the things that Rex did early on
here is was a good roster that he inherited in
oh Ey started old ninety and he knew it, but
he brought you and Jimmy in because you guys were
gonna be the key pieces that extensions the coaching staff.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Because because like guys don't guys are only going to
ask their coach so many questions because they don't want
to be the guy that's always raising their hand, making
people stand meetings longer and all that stuff, you know
what I mean. But they can always talk to a
player like so like if it was a linebacker that
I didn't understand something from a linebacker perspective, I could
explain it to him. And if it was something from
(18:44):
a defensive back perspective, Jimmy can explain it to him.
So now everybody the mistakes we didn't when we got here,
you noticed that we didn't have no mistakes, like but
Leedo Shepherd Reeves, Eric Carrie Drew. This is all new
for them. But we we didn't have blown coverages. We
(19:06):
didn't have any It was like it was it was,
it was a symphony. And you know, Glenn didn't bring
anybody in to help teach that. I mean, I didn't
even mention Mark. He's Douglas being able to explain.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah, another third former, Raven.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
This is how we played a reduced front.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
This how like this like he like Markey, Dougs used
to be calling the the the coverage adjustments from a
three point stand like oh why off, why off, you off?
Speaker 4 (19:33):
You off?
Speaker 3 (19:33):
All right, you're ready for the check to to to
under alert under. When you got everybody talking like that, man,
it was like it was hard to get one over.
That's why we'd have the number one defense the first year.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
So I remember all nine that summer We're at Courtland
and I chased it down and you said, oh, well,
if we're gonna do some kind of radio or podcasts.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
We had to do it with Douglas. You're bringing your
brother along people to eat man man out.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Yeah he's he's just Charlotte right now. But he's just
a good dude.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Defensively so.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Jermaine, Yeah, he makes he he he may not you
can say he's not our best player.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
He's our most important player.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
He creates the entire team or defense, well, definitely for defense.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, you gotta put Garrett up there, because.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
What he does is he sets the table for everybody.
He allows Michael Clemens to be reckless and playing the
inside and not have any responsibilities because he don't have
the edge. You got the edges covered. He can be
he can go in there and just create habit, right.
But also it allows will to be able to have
freedom because they're not sliding to him every time and
doubling him and making sure that he doesn't get loose
(20:44):
because they feel okay, Well, Clemens when he's on the outside,
isn't a natural pass rusher. A guy that may help
stop the edge, but he's really a guy that's a
twinter between the d N and the d tackle. Right,
So like he's basically like Franklin Myers, you know what
I'm saying. So Tremaine settles everything down because he's the
best player against the run in the past that we
(21:06):
have too. He can convert on on on paths. You
saw him almost get the one on the on the
first turnover. It was him harassing bow knicks, you know
what I mean, because he couldn't quite bend the corner back.
I think his ankle isn't quite healthy and he hasn't
really got that flex being that ben to be able
to make that sharp like turn. But you know, he
(21:29):
made the turn for the for the one to win,
to win the game or to force the punt, you
know what I mean. Later in the game, that's that ankle,
and everything warmed up, you know what I mean. So
like he's the most important piece because he makes everybody
else's job easy. He's what we call a force muffler.
He's a big man, you know what I mean. So like,
so like now these d tackles, they looking at the
(21:49):
guy that's looking at him eye to eye. They're like, whoa,
let me get let me get the brace. And they're like, oh,
by the way, he's athletic and fast. Wow, Okay, well
that's that's different.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Uh, he's got your mindset.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
You know, he's one of my favorite players.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yeah, he plays like Bart Scott. Speaking of that Brownly,
how much did you like his juice?
Speaker 4 (22:11):
You got a little salt and vinegar too, Yeah, they
needed they needed to.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
I thought I thought it was a mishap that when
Charles Gardner Johnson wasn't there, that we didn't go out
and get him because he like, we needed somebody that
got a little little vinegar to him, somebody that's gonna
stir stuff up, a little pistol starter, you know what
I mean so to speak. So like you know, he
he brings that attitude. That's one, and we know when
Quincy comes back, he's another. I mean, you need about
three or four of those type of guys out there
(22:36):
that's gonna be like yeah, because like their energy plugs. Now,
when you look across town and you look at Scatterbool
and Dark, they're little fire starters and it's not that
they're playing great, it's that the energy is infectious.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah, that's a good point of a good point about
Quincy too.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Then if you got those three guys on the field.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Now you got juice.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
You can't have too much of that because it'd be
like like, hey, somebody nobody can count nobody down, everybody
just making everybody and then you getting pilled because everybody
like no, kill him, kill him, you need somebody, Like
but who was the guy counting?
Speaker 4 (23:05):
You know who wasn't it? It was Ray it Reed
like Dion, Like, man, come on, bart.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I told you when I met my mom, the first
thing he said to her said, Mama, what's wrong with her?
Speaker 1 (23:16):
He's so he's so angry.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
He thought that she was gonna say.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
But you smile all the time when you smiling off
the field in Baltimore. No, not early on.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
I don't smile on the field every once in a while,
but like usually I'm usually I'm bringing that Brian Branch's energy.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
All the time.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
No, I would have did the exact same thing to Juju.
You would have remember I swung on Richie. Ye need dude,
you talk about Richie for every day for I don't.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Know how many years, and I chased him into the tunnel, yes,
like he tried to, Like you can't.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
By the way, I don't want to be in the
same area code.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
If you and Richie to this day see each other
at a restaurant, yeah, you could be at PF Changs.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
I mean, you go after him, Richie off off, the
Richie off the enhancements. Probably can't even walk right right now,
you know what I'm saying. That's why I had the
neck roll.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah, but probably was funny after the game is I
talked to him after the game too, and he said,
I played with Jermaine at Florida State, Okay, and I
I can know what time it is, so they know
what time it is.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
But He's like, I kind of gotta get off get
on him.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Well, I gotta get HiPE him up.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Well, no, he said, he don't need to get hot up.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I gotta almost see cam him down on them, okay,
because he's ready to roll.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
You need a company of okay at seventeen one week seasons.
But how you carry this over?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
As far as you were looking at the film like
Carolina now defensively, are you to the point where small
sample size but a Denver offense that has some good
elements and Peyton's a good play caller, are you confident that, hey,
this could carry over?
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Now I saw, well they're gonna have to stop the run.
And you know it's funny, right, You know, I was
working the game and they yeah, I hear it. I
heard about that, but but did.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
You hear like things I was saying, like what they
was like, Bort, what's your announcements?
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Gay?
Speaker 3 (24:58):
I was making sure I was telling what was going
on so that our team can say. I'm like, yeah,
all they doing is using the screens.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Oh you were talking another bench.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
She thought I couldn't. I was talking over this, I know,
but I was on the side, but I was infect
in my ear. But I'm doing radio sideline.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Yeah, so I was.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
I was. I was like, I was like yeah. I
was like, all they're doing is using the the the
screen game as the extension of the run.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
They're just screening it up. I was saying that. I
was like, so that the team could hear, Like.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Bro, relaxed, You're about to get a bunch of screens.
So if you're de lining, step and retrace, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Like, So, I was like, I'll get running feel off.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Yeah, I'm out there trying to fight for them, like look, yeah, look, man,
come on, man, like they ain't doing it but screen.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
I don't know if y'all see it yet, but I've
been seeing it.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Dolls getting big time production in the last two games.
One of the two hundred yards from scrimmage Carolina is
interesting because you look at them, they got some elements.
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Speaker 1 (26:14):
What do you do offensively? If he's not there, I.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Go jumbo and I just score my best guys. I
mean I would also do what I saw the Falcons
do use to use Breese as a receiver two B
two tailback set and then put Briese in the slot.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
That's exactly what they did. That did that And what's
what's the start to a el Gier? Yeah, Eljier? What's
the tailback?
Speaker 3 (26:39):
But at times v Jon lined up at the slot
on the line of scrimmage as a true receiver. And
then if they if they get if they get into that, okay,
we're gonna match that with We're gonna match that with
a nickelback. Then you put Breese in the backfield and say, okay,
you can cover them. But now because y'all y'all lighting
up the package, can you tackle.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Right, Yeah, because this is a totally different defense. They've
been successful stopping to run, but if you really look
at Carolina's.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
High, it's how you want to run on them.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Okay, Like it's different ways to run on teams like
I used to, like how Chan Gaily used to run
against us.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
You go four wives, which means you put little people out.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
When they were in buffalo your sense. Yeah, yeah, you
go four.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Wives, and then you run in your same power plays
out of four wives, but instead of using tight ends,
you're just using receivers and you're making so much space
because you spreading everybody out and then basically just run
and pull the pull the pull the guard and running
power runs out of it.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Personal you can you can dictate what we're doing the exactly.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
If I feel like my base package can't compete with
your base package, then I'm gonna see if my small
package can can compare to to to your light package
and see if your if your nickels and light dying
for want to tackle breeze.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
I think it's happening this week. I think just to
get in the first one, I hope.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
So, man, we need it. I mean they've been knocking
on the door.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
They see if they can they can continue to see,
the defense can continue and the offense can catch up
in the special teams because the special teams playing the
l upset they had too. They had two of the
two of the three phases playing at the elite level.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Right, this is the week.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
So isn't it your baby girl's birthday? Well?
Speaker 1 (28:14):
No, she had picture dad school today.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Oh picture day, pecher day? Gotcha?
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Who did the hair? Mom did the hair?
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Flattening it out all that stuff. Did you put a
little makeup on or nothing?
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Come on, man, they know they put it like the lip,
the sparkly lip gloss on like little girls, and do
the nails and stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I gotta ask you about that.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Yeah, I'm a veteran on all the little kiss uf.
I've been there, done that.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
But uh, you got any reviews for London? Getting back
to that, did you enjoy yourself over side?
Speaker 4 (28:39):
I did? I did. I'm not new to London, but yo,
I know.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
But I have a I have a story real quick
before we get out of here. That the first night
I saw Bart was Friday and he was upset that
we didn't invite him to go to the London to
the United Kingdom's Yeah soccer games, soccer game against Welles.
It was an international friendly at one play, so you
amy hell about that. But we did a Q and
(29:04):
A with yourself and Wayne Crabat and and Eric Coleman,
and you had time before he went over to the
pub to go out shopping and he came in there
with this beautiful coat.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I left it.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
I'm trying to get it. I left it at the hotel,
you know, you know, trying to fight with people. You
know what proud of that coat?
Speaker 2 (29:25):
It was?
Speaker 3 (29:26):
It was just the first mink was inside going down
Abby Road. Yea, my whole back was sweat. But I
was really left it and I did because I was gonna.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Wear it on the plane.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
What does the hotel have it?
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:38):
But but I haven't been a in contact, so I
had to call Someway from the NFL to get in
contact with them. But they onn a different time clock,
so epicially, I better get my coat back.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Bart Scott, he never has any jet like do you.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
I'm jacked up on Montain Dew Baby, Thanks Bro,
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