July 30, 2025 • 27 mins
Host Eric Allen is joined in the Audi Performance Studio by the radio voice of the Jets, Bob Wischusen, for a discussion about the first six practices of training camp. Wischusen talks about his observations about seeing the Green & White on the field in full pads for the first time in 2025. Allen and Wischusen look ahead at what is next for head coach Aaron Glenn and the team as it reaches the dog days of camp.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're one week in the Jets Trading Camp. A lot
to get to coming up with the Voice of the Jets,
Bob was choosing we meet anybody in the world, and
I think we're gonna win.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Next Sunday gets Monday Waxen can't wait.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Put your seat belts on and get ready for the ride.
The Official Jets Podcast is presented by Kendrick Scott, the
jewelry company that's shining bright and doing good. Shop Game
Day Ready, Jewelry Styles and so much more at Kendriscott
dot com. Before we get going with Jets Camp talk,
we will carry on today with a heavy heart as
(00:40):
an entire NFL family was shook Monday. Four people were killed,
including a New York City police officer and a security
guard in New York City, and an NFL staff member
was critically wounded when a deranged man reportedly targeted league headquarters.
Our hearts go out to all the victims and their families. Shoes,
(01:03):
Welcome back to Jets Camp, Happy New Year, Hot one today.
What were you looking for when you arrived at one
Jets Drive to watch Aaron glenns Uh practice for the
first time with you watch?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, I mean for me, just names and numbers. Basically
like preseason football is on the horizon.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Not easy.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
There's always major roster turnover. The Jets are no different.
I want to see justin fields. I want to see
the rhythm of the offense, his comfort level, who's out
there and starting positions. But yeah, you know, and and
also it's fun to watch a new coach's rhythm in
practice and that that practice it moves right, there's a
(01:47):
pep to the step of everyone out there.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
So yeah, it was just it's just good to see
football again.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
How difficult is the preparation for a preseason game? The
jets opener is next week against the Packers.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah, it's just name and number recognition that you take
for granted during the regular season because your team is
your team, right, so anybody that has a team. When
I do college football, I can be starting from scratch
almost every week. So you'll watch games and familiarize yourself.
But people ask me what's the prep like for the Jets.
There really isn't prep for the Jets. The prep is
(02:18):
for the opponent. I know the Jets preseason it feels
like college football, like oh okay, like here comes this.
And also how many snaps will the starters play? So
I know the quarterback, I know our number one wide receiver,
I know those three running backs, I know the offensive line.
But those guys in two out of the three preseason
(02:40):
games might not even see the fields that much.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
So, yeah, there's a.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Lot of guys you're unfamiliar with that coming out on
a day like today, just name and number recognition helps.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
The Jets reported to camp exactly a week ago. They've
been in pads two days. You mentioned fields. What do
you see out there today?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
He has this.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Kind of when you see it, you recognize it, unspoken
quality of he looks like a quarterback in terms of
just body language, right Like, there's some guys that you
could see they would make coffee nervous, right Like, they're
just they're up and they're bouncing around and they're with
the offensive coordinator. He kind of has a saunter about
(03:22):
him where it's like I got this, I've been through this.
I played at the highest level of college football. I've
been with a couple of NFL teams. Now, when I
was demoted last year, we had a winning record. You
know that probably is his mentality in Pittsburgh, right like
the last memory he has of being a starting quarterback
they were above five hundred team.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
So yeah, you know, very curious.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
At some point to get to know the offensive coaching
staff better and hear their take on him. But just
that in and out of the pocket, in and out
of the huddle, walk over, talk to the coach, a
command of the group. You can see he looks like
from a jumping off point, a comfort level that you.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Like to see what is the offense you think ultimately
going to look like. Because the Jets, you've been covering
this team for decades, they've never had a guy with
a Field's skill set.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I would say that anytime they have had a guy
like that, it's been a player just for a cup
of coffee, right, like anytime they've had really a true
set quarterback for a time. For the most part, that
player has been a stay in the pocket, right passing quarterback,
right going from Vinnie to Chad. Sanchez had some mobility.
(04:39):
He could certainly get out and run, but they still
tried to insulate him. And obviously even a cup of
coffee with the two Green Bay legends Ryan Fitzpatrick, like whoever,
it's been for the most part, they've been pocket passers.
I guess Zach Wilson is probably the closest to what
we've had with Justin Field his ability to get out
(05:01):
and make a play on the move. But like Zach
didn't combine that with the ability to play the position
at a high level from the pocket. I didn't think
that hurt him. Justin Field seems a little more comfortable
in the pocket, and you have to be able to
beat people from the pocket. Well, I think what I
like about the way the team has been built. It
(05:21):
makes sense to me, like you can see what the
game plan is, and I look back at the Mark
Sanchez years now, Justin Fields comes here in a radically
different position than Mark Sanchez was in. Where Mark Sanchez
was a stone cold rookie who hadn't played a lot
of college football. That's Justin Fields in Chicago. That's not
(05:42):
Justin Fields now. Now, this is a guy that has,
you know, four years of pretty regular play under his belt,
so he is beyond the initial jumping off point developmental
stage of being a quarterback. But I do think they
have put together this offense similarly to what they did
(06:05):
with Sanchez. Let's not make it all about him. Having
to be a hero, the number two pick in the
draft of a team that really has struggled on opening
day and go be our savior. Now, drafted two tackles,
two really good guards, drafted a center, drafted a tight end,
franchise wide receiver, right, three running backs. All three can
(06:26):
be a number one guy on a given drive if necessary.
You have a very clear cut number one. You have
a hammer looking for a nail at number two, and
you have kind of a jack of all trades at
number three, and all of those guys can play. So
when you've got three running backs, an offensive line, you know,
hopefully a playmaking tight end, a really good wide receiver,
(06:46):
some other depth of wide receiver. That's what they did
with Sanchez. Now, this group isn't nearly the veteran, proven
group that Sanchez had around them, understandably, but at least
the philosophy of we can insight elate you from having
to go be the hero every game, Like there can
be some games where they can win and justin fields
(07:07):
might throw the ball seventeen times in the whole game,
and if their game plan works, they can still go
be competitive and win. I think that makes sense. I
like the fact that they have kind of from a
building block standpoint, put the team together that way.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
The difference between fields and any of his predecessors is
you're actually going to be calling multiple run plays per
game for seven or RPOs because he can do so
much damage on the ground. Yep, what ultimately you think
that's going to look like in terms of how much
is he going to be running per game? Because here's
(07:41):
a guy who's been averaging more than fifty yards per
game on the ground throughout his career in a couple
of years back Eve more than a thousand yards rushing
with the Bears.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
That is going to be a philosophical question I'd be
curious to ask the coaches. And that's probably a week
by week, game plan by game plan basis. There will
certainly be designed runs for this quarterback in the game plan. Now,
how often do you go to them knowing that every
(08:10):
time he goes out and does that you risk injury.
You have a very capable that are in backup quarterback
behind him, so that security blanket helps, right, Like there
have been years where the backup quarterback wasn't Tyrod Taylor.
The backup quarterback wasn't a guy that has played in
the league for a decade and has won games and
rather that you can play two, three, four weeks with
(08:32):
your backup quarterback and still be a good team. But
it's a weapon, right, I mean he can run. So
what breakdown will it be of designed runs in the
game plan you actually call or is it just conceptual
where it's like, all right, the play we've got here
is we're going to read half the field and if
(08:53):
your half the field read isn't there, then look for
an escape route and go. That could be a decent
amount of the game plan as well for a quarterback
that's still developing, right, like giving him the Peyton Manning.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Full field five option progression. That'll be in there too.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
But to overload that with like every single snap that
you're throwing the ball, have that be the type of
offense you run, or simplify it a little bit, right,
we got a two route read and if it's not there,
you're a good improvisational player and we trust you protect
the ball and improvise. And I do think they'll be
part of that for him as well.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah, we have the green light And you mentioned Sanchez before,
remember going back that Rex said the signal system.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
And again like he's more advanced now than Mark was then, clearly,
But his legs are enough of a weapon that getting
out the back door, if the back door is there,
and going and running to the sideline, sliding protecting yourself,
but picking up seven or eight yards that might be
better than your third or fourth option or a checkdown
(09:59):
that a pure pocket passer would have to rely upon
because they can't go do what you can do.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
He's got to your point, he's got such a good
way about himself to see a calm dude, but very confident.
I mean, obviously a big time recruit coming out of
high school, starts off at Georgia, then transfers to Ohio State,
is a first round pick, so he's been in the
(10:25):
spotlight throughout his life. But he's quite endearing to his teammates.
And you know, one guy's really pumped at he's here.
Obviously he's Garrett Wilson. He could see that relationship not
only on the field, but off the field.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I mean, look, he's a very in a very unique place.
You're a quarterback in New York City, right the New
York Metropolitanian number one media market in the world. So
there will be a spotlight on you. But what pro
football fans don't sometimes understand is what the spotlight feels
like when you're at Ohio State or Georgia or Michigan
or Texas or you know, so on and so forth.
You know, you know, the spotlight might be brighter there
(11:02):
than it is in certain NFL cities. This is still
New York. But he is not coming here the way
some of these other guys have come here. Right Like
when you draft a Sanchez A Zach Wilson writes Sam Darnold,
guys like that, they were clearly coming here with the
(11:22):
idea of, hey, like, we're getting you in the top
five of the draft, if not the second pick in
the draft, whatever you Sanchez, whatever he was sixth or something.
You need to come here and save us. You are
our franchise quarterback and you need to come here and
save us. There is still going to be this perception
(11:43):
that Justin Fields is a little bit of off the
scrap heap right, he like it didn't work out in
two previous stops. He's coming here to maybe kind of
reinvent himself. But the expectations are going to be different.
I think for the fans with him coming here, then
the pressure that would be on him as a rookie
if he was the second pick in the draft coming
(12:03):
here to try and save the franchise. Maybe that helps, right.
There are certain star players in New York Sports, you know,
that have been in other places and I've actually come
here and kind of reinvented themselves a little bit where
they were that guy the second pick savior in the
previous stop, and now they've got maybe a little bit
(12:24):
of armadillo skin because They've gone through some of this
at other places, and now I've got a chance to
go to a different place and maybe reinvent myself a
little bit. I think he comes here with that rather
than you know, being that the guy that walks up
on the stage hugging Roger Goodell and putting the jet
hat on, and now you're gonna come here as a
rookie and save the world.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
And anybody successful playing that that position has some kind
of continuity within their respective franchises. I'm not comparing him
to these guys. But Patrick Mahomes didn't play immediately and
he was paired up with Andy Reid, and again I'm
not comparing fore stending these guys. Josh Allen's been with
ming Thurmott for how many years? Seven years? Now you
(13:05):
got Lamar Jackson who's had a hard bought in his
you know, in his ear. He's the leader there in Baltimore.
They developed that culture and now he's experienced success with
the coordinator for a couple of years with fields you're
talking about third team and three years, fourth offense coordinator,
five years yep. So you got to give them time
(13:26):
along the way. But do you like the way the
Jets have embraced him from the get where Aaron Glenn said,
this is our guy.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah, and also we also sometimes forget this. People come
almost like from the Madden world, right where a guy's
got a Madden rating and that's his Madden rating and
that's what he is now, Like they're human beings. There
is an evolution to a season, to a quarterback, to
an offense, to an offensive line. You know, like if
this offensive line stays healthy with a second year and
(13:56):
first year tackle, they're going to be different week ten
than they are in week one. He'll be different week
ten than he is in week one. So yes, there
is a developmental process that goes on with a unit
with a player, I mean, they're human. He's not going
to be the same player at Thanksgiving that he is
on opening day. Can you bring that process along? That's
(14:21):
why I like, again getting back to how they've built this.
They've built this to maybe take some of that off
of his shoulders early, so that as he gets more
and more comfortable, Okay, week five, week seven, week ten,
more can be on his shoulders. And if that works,
then maybe he looks different in December than he looks
(14:44):
in September. And I think that can work.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Jet's game day is better together. Bring a group of
six or more to Mett Life Stadium and take advantage
of preferred pricing, access to odd field experiences and more
to book visit at y jets dot com slash groups
or call nine seven three five four nine four or
five nine zero. You mentioned the three backs. What do
(15:08):
you make it a landscape for Breese entering year four?
It was really impressive. The other day, I thought of
the podium. He said, I'm looking at this, this is
my last chance that people talk about potential. I want
them to talk about product. But he also said it's
likely I'm not getting an extension like Sauce and Garrett
before the season. I don't anticipate that, but at the
(15:31):
same time, he's completely bought it.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah, you know what I thought was going to happen
with him that didn't happen was the presence of Aaron
Rodgers was going to loosen defenses up, and defense is
still defended the Jets the way they did when Breeze
Hall was really the number one, Like it was load
(15:54):
the box that you're not beating us.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
We are going to shadow you with some of our
best people.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
We are going to put numbers up near the line
of scrimmage, and if we're going to lose, it's gonna
be because we're gonna make you throw the ball outside.
And I think at least early in the season, teams
will still defend him that way, So I don't expect
big numbers out of him the first month. I think
his season could mirror, hopefully what I think they're imagining.
(16:22):
Kind of that evolution of the season could be that
the more that Justin Fields gets comfortable in his own skin,
that he gets out and makes some plays, that the
passing game at least loosens teams up a little bit,
that the offensive line becomes more and more cohesive as
the year goes on. I think you'll see if that works,
(16:45):
that'll be reflected.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
I think in Breeshaw's numbers.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Mason Taylor caught a touchdown at that end of practice
with a two minute situation. Offense got down the field,
fields found him in the corner. He's been impressive early.
Your take and take, because I know you called some
of his games at LSU and also big pitcher from
a Jets tight end perspective, how he could actually change
(17:10):
the dynamic.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yeah, Like he's he's that athlete.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
He is that guy that you know, the dynamic weapon
that you're hoping you get. If it develops, you got
to go do it against the best players in the world.
But it's almost hard at LSU to stand down.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Right, They've got so many skill guys. They had an
NFL quarterback, two NFL wide receivers, right, like three NFL
wide receivers. I think when he was there, an NFL back,
so you know, there's only one football. But when he
had a chance, I mean, he like off the Boston
on the field, he looks it. So yeah, I'm really
(17:49):
excited to see what he can do.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Because over the course of Jets history, tight end position
inconsistent at times, he would say, right, yeah, And when
I'm looking at the Jets offense, Garrett gets more than
one hundred receptions last year. When people are looking at
wide receiver two, I kind of think maybe the right
(18:13):
way of vieing this, or more complete way of looking
at this is from a playmaker perspective. Maybe who's your
second option in the past game, who's your third option
in the past game, Because in this for this team,
maybe it is a tight end, maybe it is a
running back.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, if you get a really dynamic player at either
of those two positions, and if Mason Taylor is what
we think he can be, already know you've got Brisol,
So those two guys in the past game, in the
screen game could be huge. You know, I would expect
tight end screens just to get the ball in his hands,
certainly going to throw screens to Brisol. There's no question that,
(18:52):
like the NFL, it used to be about here are
our plays, here are our roles. We're gonna run our plays,
and offense has evolved to be something different than that now.
Like in the NBA, I was watching an old Knicks
game the other night, and I'm watching it with my
kid who's sixteen seventeen years old, and I'm talking about
(19:14):
Patrick Ewing being one of the great shooting big men
of his era. He never shot the ball for more
than like fifteen seventeen feet out. It didn't occur to
people back then to have seven footers shoot threes. The
analytics hadn't gotten in there yet, right, like the wanting
to shoot sixty threes a game wasn't even in the
(19:35):
universe of the thinking of basketball in the nineties and
two thousands.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
It just wasn't.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
So the game looks and was played differently. Now, could
those guys have done that in that era had they
been coached too, Yeah, they probably could have, but it's
just not how it was played. Eighties, nineties, two thousand's
football was kind of here's our offensive playbook here, and
we're gonna run our plays, and the defense is going
to come up with concepts to defend our plays, but
we're gonna run our plays. These are our plays, practice
(20:02):
our plays, and go do it. That's not the way
the forward thinking NFL offenses run anymore. And our instrant
comes from a place a forward thinking NFL offense where
it's more concepts. It's not so much a playbook. But
here are three or four different things we could do
out of the same concept. And let's watch the defense
(20:25):
and learn their rules. And when we learn their rules,
we'll come up with a concept to try and kind
of defeat their rules. In that world, a playmaking tight end,
a good catch the ball running back like that's why
you've seen those roles explode over the last five seven years,
(20:45):
because those guys now do things they weren't asked to
do ten years ago.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
It's not Thomas Jones anymore.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
When we get you the ball, it's gonna be downhill
into the line of scrimmage and you're our running back.
And that's what running backs do, and every now and
then we'll throw you a screen. Now, now it's like,
let's get a tight end or a running back isolated
on a safety in a mismatch of the passing game
and treat them like a wide receiver. The Jets have
some guys that can do things like that, and that
(21:12):
should take all the heat in the world off justin
fields if you can create those mismatches.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Much has been made about the physicality here early in
camp your thoughts, what you saw today and also the
way you're ingesting some of this coming in as far
as the tackling drills.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, God, even leading up to like college football starting
for ESPN, your schedule criss crosses, so how many days
can I get out here? I looked at the schedule
and I saw, oh, well, they're in paths, like I
want to go to a padded practice, and I saw
what I expected to see.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Guys got tackled to the ground. Right.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
They're practicing all the way through, sometimes thud, but sometimes
guys right to the ground. And it was noticeable, like
that's kind of that's old school, right, Like that's Aaron
Glenn playing for Parcels in the nineties.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Style.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Can't do two a days pads on every day, but
you're gonna play some football on the days that you
can put pads on.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
And they did that today.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
What do you make of his approach with the guys
and also his interaction with the media.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
My I haven't really had a chance to have the
you know, the one on one interaction, my son. I've
only seen press conference Aaron Glenn. He seems like the
man in charge, right, like the general gets up at
the podium and briefs the world on what his plans are,
so he has that command. He seems like he's very
comfortable in that role. He certainly learned from a few
(22:36):
of the best how to command a room, so uh,
and the guys on the team certainly seem to respect him.
I mean, every time you hear any player asked about him,
you know, they all seem to use the same terminology
of like no nonsense right, like cuts to the chase,
tells you what he's thinking, you know, does a beat
around the bush right like he's he's uh. He seems
(22:58):
pretty direct in all of those scenarios.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Finally, I want to ask you about Will McDonald. Yeah,
you mentioned an offensive line or my members getting tremendous
work each day, because I don't know if McDonald has
a ceiling.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
He at ten and a.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Half sacks last year. He broke out Jermaine Johnson obviously
on the men, working his way back from the Achilles.
But he's feeling good. The Jets are going to take
a cautious approach to make sure he's ready for the
long term. I like the skill sets, how they can
compliment each other. But he came back this year McDonald
muscled up. He went from two thirty five to two fifty.
(23:38):
His athleticism is freaky. He's a unique specimen. What do
you anticipate from him as we go ahead.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I'm just excited to see if he just continues to
produce as a player that if you think about the
brief time he's been here, has never probably been talked
about as like a spotlight player. When you think about
like when they lost Brice hoff, right, what are they
(24:09):
gonna do? And then Jermaine Johnson tears his achilles, then
you have a very well publicized holdout that never comes
to fruition, right, a star player that you're bringing in
to rush the passer. And that was a disaster all year.
And all he did at this position that every time
you heard people kind of talk about it or write
about it, it was always, uh, the Jets have to
go get a d end, they have to to get
(24:31):
a pass rusher. I mean, look, they're losing all of
these guys, all the players that you thought were gonna
be the top of the depth chart players, And all
he did was take every opportunity that was put in
front of him and just go sack the quarterback. And
I kept saying, they have a guy on the field
that's got like nine sacks, Like what am I missing?
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Why?
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Why is it that this this disaster of depth? That
pass rusher, I don't know, seems like he's pretty good.
And so now he goes into this season as an
un question starter at that spot. But he earned it,
proved it, did it. So yeah, I'm I'm looking forward
to seeing if he keeps it up this year. Based
on what I saw today and also what I've seen
(25:12):
and heard from him even so far briefly in training camp,
it looks like he's picking right up where he left off.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Would you say that Jets haven't had a guy with
this kind of skill set since John Abraham?
Speaker 3 (25:22):
That's probably fair.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
And it's interesting looking back at that draft too, because
everybody was upset they didn't take a tackle at that point.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah, I mean it like the one on one pass
rusher or the bend the edge pass rusher that can
go get the quarterback and allows you to get to
the quarterback without sending numbers right like that. Every defensive
coordinator is looking for a fourth quarter pass rush without
having to blitz. That's what they want. And if he
(25:53):
gives you the ability to have, especially a fourth quarter
pass rush when the other team's kind of tired, but
hopefully you've got gas in the tank and you can
now wear a guy down over the course of the game,
and when the game's on the line, go make a
game changing play and to drive draw holding penalty, make
a sack, knock the ball out, which they didn't take
(26:13):
the ball away nearly as much as they needed to
last year. That has to be something that changes this year.
You have to take the ball away on defense. Nothing
creates turnovers like rushing the passer, whether you're knocking the
ball out.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Or forcing interceptions.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
If you can do that and you can still drop seven,
that that's the special sauce for every defensive coordinator. And
he like, he's that kind of player. He's that he
gives a defense that type of an element.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I think he's got fifteen sacked potential. He's a guy
who could have sack a game. I mean that's and
he's only going to get better. Jets Steelers, September seventh.
Have you thought about what the atmosphere is gonna be
like in that life?
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Who's playing quarterback for the Steelers?
Speaker 1 (26:57):
They tell me tell me a guy by the name.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I would think there'll be some spirit in the building. Yeah,
thanks buddy.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Thanks time for an extra point. I love training camp.
Football is returned and it's something that we all can celebrate.
In fact, the Jets will have a game next week
and begin preseason play Saturday night in Green Bay against
the Packers. Aaron Glenn is setting the tone, stressing that
his players are smart, tough, aggressive and resilient. Pads are popping.
(27:27):
The pace of workouts has stood out and there's been
complete buying from the players. Glenn is not emphasizing wins
and losses, staying focused on daily improvement and discipline and details.
If that happens consistently, wins will foul for the Jets
in the fall.
We're one week in the Jets Trading Camp. A lot
to get to coming up with the Voice of the Jets,
Bob was choosing we meet anybody in the world, and
I think we're gonna win.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Next Sunday gets Monday Waxen can't wait.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Put your seat belts on and get ready for the ride.
The Official Jets Podcast is presented by Kendrick Scott, the
jewelry company that's shining bright and doing good. Shop Game
Day Ready, Jewelry Styles and so much more at Kendriscott
dot com. Before we get going with Jets Camp talk,
we will carry on today with a heavy heart as
(00:40):
an entire NFL family was shook Monday. Four people were killed,
including a New York City police officer and a security
guard in New York City, and an NFL staff member
was critically wounded when a deranged man reportedly targeted league headquarters.
Our hearts go out to all the victims and their families. Shoes,
(01:03):
Welcome back to Jets Camp, Happy New Year, Hot one today.
What were you looking for when you arrived at one
Jets Drive to watch Aaron glenns Uh practice for the
first time with you watch?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, I mean for me, just names and numbers. Basically
like preseason football is on the horizon.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Not easy.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
There's always major roster turnover. The Jets are no different.
I want to see justin fields. I want to see
the rhythm of the offense, his comfort level, who's out
there and starting positions. But yeah, you know, and and
also it's fun to watch a new coach's rhythm in
practice and that that practice it moves right, there's a
(01:47):
pep to the step of everyone out there.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
So yeah, it was just it's just good to see
football again.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
How difficult is the preparation for a preseason game? The
jets opener is next week against the Packers.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah, it's just name and number recognition that you take
for granted during the regular season because your team is
your team, right, so anybody that has a team. When
I do college football, I can be starting from scratch
almost every week. So you'll watch games and familiarize yourself.
But people ask me what's the prep like for the Jets.
There really isn't prep for the Jets. The prep is
(02:18):
for the opponent. I know the Jets preseason it feels
like college football, like oh okay, like here comes this.
And also how many snaps will the starters play? So
I know the quarterback, I know our number one wide receiver,
I know those three running backs, I know the offensive line.
But those guys in two out of the three preseason
(02:40):
games might not even see the fields that much.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
So, yeah, there's a.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Lot of guys you're unfamiliar with that coming out on
a day like today, just name and number recognition helps.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
The Jets reported to camp exactly a week ago. They've
been in pads two days. You mentioned fields. What do
you see out there today?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
He has this.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Kind of when you see it, you recognize it, unspoken
quality of he looks like a quarterback in terms of
just body language, right Like, there's some guys that you
could see they would make coffee nervous, right Like, they're
just they're up and they're bouncing around and they're with
the offensive coordinator. He kind of has a saunter about
(03:22):
him where it's like I got this, I've been through this.
I played at the highest level of college football. I've
been with a couple of NFL teams. Now, when I
was demoted last year, we had a winning record. You
know that probably is his mentality in Pittsburgh, right like
the last memory he has of being a starting quarterback
they were above five hundred team.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
So yeah, you know, very curious.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
At some point to get to know the offensive coaching
staff better and hear their take on him. But just
that in and out of the pocket, in and out
of the huddle, walk over, talk to the coach, a
command of the group. You can see he looks like
from a jumping off point, a comfort level that you.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Like to see what is the offense you think ultimately
going to look like. Because the Jets, you've been covering
this team for decades, they've never had a guy with
a Field's skill set.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I would say that anytime they have had a guy
like that, it's been a player just for a cup
of coffee, right, like anytime they've had really a true
set quarterback for a time. For the most part, that
player has been a stay in the pocket, right passing quarterback,
right going from Vinnie to Chad. Sanchez had some mobility.
(04:39):
He could certainly get out and run, but they still
tried to insulate him. And obviously even a cup of
coffee with the two Green Bay legends Ryan Fitzpatrick, like whoever,
it's been for the most part, they've been pocket passers.
I guess Zach Wilson is probably the closest to what
we've had with Justin Field his ability to get out
(05:01):
and make a play on the move. But like Zach
didn't combine that with the ability to play the position
at a high level from the pocket. I didn't think
that hurt him. Justin Field seems a little more comfortable
in the pocket, and you have to be able to
beat people from the pocket. Well, I think what I
like about the way the team has been built. It
(05:21):
makes sense to me, like you can see what the
game plan is, and I look back at the Mark
Sanchez years now, Justin Fields comes here in a radically
different position than Mark Sanchez was in. Where Mark Sanchez
was a stone cold rookie who hadn't played a lot
of college football. That's Justin Fields in Chicago. That's not
(05:42):
Justin Fields now. Now, this is a guy that has,
you know, four years of pretty regular play under his belt,
so he is beyond the initial jumping off point developmental
stage of being a quarterback. But I do think they
have put together this offense similarly to what they did
(06:05):
with Sanchez. Let's not make it all about him. Having
to be a hero, the number two pick in the
draft of a team that really has struggled on opening
day and go be our savior. Now, drafted two tackles,
two really good guards, drafted a center, drafted a tight end,
franchise wide receiver, right, three running backs. All three can
(06:26):
be a number one guy on a given drive if necessary.
You have a very clear cut number one. You have
a hammer looking for a nail at number two, and
you have kind of a jack of all trades at
number three, and all of those guys can play. So
when you've got three running backs, an offensive line, you know,
hopefully a playmaking tight end, a really good wide receiver,
(06:46):
some other depth of wide receiver. That's what they did
with Sanchez. Now, this group isn't nearly the veteran, proven
group that Sanchez had around them, understandably, but at least
the philosophy of we can insight elate you from having
to go be the hero every game, Like there can
be some games where they can win and justin fields
(07:07):
might throw the ball seventeen times in the whole game,
and if their game plan works, they can still go
be competitive and win. I think that makes sense. I
like the fact that they have kind of from a
building block standpoint, put the team together that way.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
The difference between fields and any of his predecessors is
you're actually going to be calling multiple run plays per
game for seven or RPOs because he can do so
much damage on the ground. Yep, what ultimately you think
that's going to look like in terms of how much
is he going to be running per game? Because here's
(07:41):
a guy who's been averaging more than fifty yards per
game on the ground throughout his career in a couple
of years back Eve more than a thousand yards rushing
with the Bears.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
That is going to be a philosophical question I'd be
curious to ask the coaches. And that's probably a week
by week, game plan by game plan basis. There will
certainly be designed runs for this quarterback in the game plan. Now,
how often do you go to them knowing that every
(08:10):
time he goes out and does that you risk injury.
You have a very capable that are in backup quarterback
behind him, so that security blanket helps, right, Like there
have been years where the backup quarterback wasn't Tyrod Taylor.
The backup quarterback wasn't a guy that has played in
the league for a decade and has won games and
rather that you can play two, three, four weeks with
(08:32):
your backup quarterback and still be a good team. But
it's a weapon, right, I mean he can run. So
what breakdown will it be of designed runs in the
game plan you actually call or is it just conceptual
where it's like, all right, the play we've got here
is we're going to read half the field and if
(08:53):
your half the field read isn't there, then look for
an escape route and go. That could be a decent
amount of the game plan as well for a quarterback
that's still developing, right, like giving him the Peyton Manning.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Full field five option progression. That'll be in there too.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
But to overload that with like every single snap that
you're throwing the ball, have that be the type of
offense you run, or simplify it a little bit, right,
we got a two route read and if it's not there,
you're a good improvisational player and we trust you protect
the ball and improvise. And I do think they'll be
part of that for him as well.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah, we have the green light And you mentioned Sanchez before,
remember going back that Rex said the signal system.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
And again like he's more advanced now than Mark was then, clearly,
But his legs are enough of a weapon that getting
out the back door, if the back door is there,
and going and running to the sideline, sliding protecting yourself,
but picking up seven or eight yards that might be
better than your third or fourth option or a checkdown
(09:59):
that a pure pocket passer would have to rely upon
because they can't go do what you can do.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
He's got to your point, he's got such a good
way about himself to see a calm dude, but very confident.
I mean, obviously a big time recruit coming out of
high school, starts off at Georgia, then transfers to Ohio State,
is a first round pick, so he's been in the
(10:25):
spotlight throughout his life. But he's quite endearing to his teammates.
And you know, one guy's really pumped at he's here.
Obviously he's Garrett Wilson. He could see that relationship not
only on the field, but off the field.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I mean, look, he's a very in a very unique place.
You're a quarterback in New York City, right the New
York Metropolitanian number one media market in the world. So
there will be a spotlight on you. But what pro
football fans don't sometimes understand is what the spotlight feels
like when you're at Ohio State or Georgia or Michigan
or Texas or you know, so on and so forth.
You know, you know, the spotlight might be brighter there
(11:02):
than it is in certain NFL cities. This is still
New York. But he is not coming here the way
some of these other guys have come here. Right Like
when you draft a Sanchez A Zach Wilson writes Sam Darnold,
guys like that, they were clearly coming here with the
(11:22):
idea of, hey, like, we're getting you in the top
five of the draft, if not the second pick in
the draft, whatever you Sanchez, whatever he was sixth or something.
You need to come here and save us. You are
our franchise quarterback and you need to come here and
save us. There is still going to be this perception
(11:43):
that Justin Fields is a little bit of off the
scrap heap right, he like it didn't work out in
two previous stops. He's coming here to maybe kind of
reinvent himself. But the expectations are going to be different.
I think for the fans with him coming here, then
the pressure that would be on him as a rookie
if he was the second pick in the draft coming
(12:03):
here to try and save the franchise. Maybe that helps, right.
There are certain star players in New York Sports, you know,
that have been in other places and I've actually come
here and kind of reinvented themselves a little bit where
they were that guy the second pick savior in the
previous stop, and now they've got maybe a little bit
(12:24):
of armadillo skin because They've gone through some of this
at other places, and now I've got a chance to
go to a different place and maybe reinvent myself a
little bit. I think he comes here with that rather
than you know, being that the guy that walks up
on the stage hugging Roger Goodell and putting the jet
hat on, and now you're gonna come here as a
rookie and save the world.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
And anybody successful playing that that position has some kind
of continuity within their respective franchises. I'm not comparing him
to these guys. But Patrick Mahomes didn't play immediately and
he was paired up with Andy Reid, and again I'm
not comparing fore stending these guys. Josh Allen's been with
ming Thurmott for how many years? Seven years? Now you
(13:05):
got Lamar Jackson who's had a hard bought in his
you know, in his ear. He's the leader there in Baltimore.
They developed that culture and now he's experienced success with
the coordinator for a couple of years with fields you're
talking about third team and three years, fourth offense coordinator,
five years yep. So you got to give them time
(13:26):
along the way. But do you like the way the
Jets have embraced him from the get where Aaron Glenn said,
this is our guy.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah, and also we also sometimes forget this. People come
almost like from the Madden world, right where a guy's
got a Madden rating and that's his Madden rating and
that's what he is now, Like they're human beings. There
is an evolution to a season, to a quarterback, to
an offense, to an offensive line. You know, like if
this offensive line stays healthy with a second year and
(13:56):
first year tackle, they're going to be different week ten
than they are in week one. He'll be different week
ten than he is in week one. So yes, there
is a developmental process that goes on with a unit
with a player, I mean, they're human. He's not going
to be the same player at Thanksgiving that he is
on opening day. Can you bring that process along? That's
(14:21):
why I like, again getting back to how they've built this.
They've built this to maybe take some of that off
of his shoulders early, so that as he gets more
and more comfortable, Okay, week five, week seven, week ten,
more can be on his shoulders. And if that works,
then maybe he looks different in December than he looks
(14:44):
in September. And I think that can work.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Jet's game day is better together. Bring a group of
six or more to Mett Life Stadium and take advantage
of preferred pricing, access to odd field experiences and more
to book visit at y jets dot com slash groups
or call nine seven three five four nine four or
five nine zero. You mentioned the three backs. What do
(15:08):
you make it a landscape for Breese entering year four?
It was really impressive. The other day, I thought of
the podium. He said, I'm looking at this, this is
my last chance that people talk about potential. I want
them to talk about product. But he also said it's
likely I'm not getting an extension like Sauce and Garrett
before the season. I don't anticipate that, but at the
(15:31):
same time, he's completely bought it.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah, you know what I thought was going to happen
with him that didn't happen was the presence of Aaron
Rodgers was going to loosen defenses up, and defense is
still defended the Jets the way they did when Breeze
Hall was really the number one, Like it was load
(15:54):
the box that you're not beating us.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
We are going to shadow you with some of our
best people.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
We are going to put numbers up near the line
of scrimmage, and if we're going to lose, it's gonna
be because we're gonna make you throw the ball outside.
And I think at least early in the season, teams
will still defend him that way, So I don't expect
big numbers out of him the first month. I think
his season could mirror, hopefully what I think they're imagining.
(16:22):
Kind of that evolution of the season could be that
the more that Justin Fields gets comfortable in his own skin,
that he gets out and makes some plays, that the
passing game at least loosens teams up a little bit,
that the offensive line becomes more and more cohesive as
the year goes on. I think you'll see if that works,
(16:45):
that'll be reflected.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
I think in Breeshaw's numbers.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Mason Taylor caught a touchdown at that end of practice
with a two minute situation. Offense got down the field,
fields found him in the corner. He's been impressive early.
Your take and take, because I know you called some
of his games at LSU and also big pitcher from
a Jets tight end perspective, how he could actually change
(17:10):
the dynamic.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yeah, Like he's he's that athlete.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
He is that guy that you know, the dynamic weapon
that you're hoping you get. If it develops, you got
to go do it against the best players in the world.
But it's almost hard at LSU to stand down.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Right, They've got so many skill guys. They had an
NFL quarterback, two NFL wide receivers, right, like three NFL
wide receivers. I think when he was there, an NFL back,
so you know, there's only one football. But when he
had a chance, I mean, he like off the Boston
on the field, he looks it. So yeah, I'm really
(17:49):
excited to see what he can do.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Because over the course of Jets history, tight end position
inconsistent at times, he would say, right, yeah, And when
I'm looking at the Jets offense, Garrett gets more than
one hundred receptions last year. When people are looking at
wide receiver two, I kind of think maybe the right
(18:13):
way of vieing this, or more complete way of looking
at this is from a playmaker perspective. Maybe who's your
second option in the past game, who's your third option
in the past game, Because in this for this team,
maybe it is a tight end, maybe it is a
running back.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, if you get a really dynamic player at either
of those two positions, and if Mason Taylor is what
we think he can be, already know you've got Brisol,
So those two guys in the past game, in the
screen game could be huge. You know, I would expect
tight end screens just to get the ball in his hands,
certainly going to throw screens to Brisol. There's no question that,
(18:52):
like the NFL, it used to be about here are
our plays, here are our roles. We're gonna run our plays,
and offense has evolved to be something different than that now.
Like in the NBA, I was watching an old Knicks
game the other night, and I'm watching it with my
kid who's sixteen seventeen years old, and I'm talking about
(19:14):
Patrick Ewing being one of the great shooting big men
of his era. He never shot the ball for more
than like fifteen seventeen feet out. It didn't occur to
people back then to have seven footers shoot threes. The
analytics hadn't gotten in there yet, right, like the wanting
to shoot sixty threes a game wasn't even in the
(19:35):
universe of the thinking of basketball in the nineties and
two thousands.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
It just wasn't.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
So the game looks and was played differently. Now, could
those guys have done that in that era had they
been coached too, Yeah, they probably could have, but it's
just not how it was played. Eighties, nineties, two thousand's
football was kind of here's our offensive playbook here, and
we're gonna run our plays, and the defense is going
to come up with concepts to defend our plays, but
we're gonna run our plays. These are our plays, practice
(20:02):
our plays, and go do it. That's not the way
the forward thinking NFL offenses run anymore. And our instrant
comes from a place a forward thinking NFL offense where
it's more concepts. It's not so much a playbook. But
here are three or four different things we could do
out of the same concept. And let's watch the defense
(20:25):
and learn their rules. And when we learn their rules,
we'll come up with a concept to try and kind
of defeat their rules. In that world, a playmaking tight end,
a good catch the ball running back like that's why
you've seen those roles explode over the last five seven years,
(20:45):
because those guys now do things they weren't asked to
do ten years ago.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
It's not Thomas Jones anymore.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
When we get you the ball, it's gonna be downhill
into the line of scrimmage and you're our running back.
And that's what running backs do, and every now and
then we'll throw you a screen. Now, now it's like,
let's get a tight end or a running back isolated
on a safety in a mismatch of the passing game
and treat them like a wide receiver. The Jets have
some guys that can do things like that, and that
(21:12):
should take all the heat in the world off justin
fields if you can create those mismatches.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Much has been made about the physicality here early in
camp your thoughts, what you saw today and also the
way you're ingesting some of this coming in as far
as the tackling drills.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, God, even leading up to like college football starting
for ESPN, your schedule criss crosses, so how many days
can I get out here? I looked at the schedule
and I saw, oh, well, they're in paths, like I
want to go to a padded practice, and I saw
what I expected to see.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Guys got tackled to the ground. Right.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
They're practicing all the way through, sometimes thud, but sometimes
guys right to the ground. And it was noticeable, like
that's kind of that's old school, right, Like that's Aaron
Glenn playing for Parcels in the nineties.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Style.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Can't do two a days pads on every day, but
you're gonna play some football on the days that you
can put pads on.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
And they did that today.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
What do you make of his approach with the guys
and also his interaction with the media.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
My I haven't really had a chance to have the
you know, the one on one interaction, my son. I've
only seen press conference Aaron Glenn. He seems like the
man in charge, right, like the general gets up at
the podium and briefs the world on what his plans are,
so he has that command. He seems like he's very
comfortable in that role. He certainly learned from a few
(22:36):
of the best how to command a room, so uh,
and the guys on the team certainly seem to respect him.
I mean, every time you hear any player asked about him,
you know, they all seem to use the same terminology
of like no nonsense right, like cuts to the chase,
tells you what he's thinking, you know, does a beat
around the bush right like he's he's uh. He seems
(22:58):
pretty direct in all of those scenarios.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Finally, I want to ask you about Will McDonald. Yeah,
you mentioned an offensive line or my members getting tremendous
work each day, because I don't know if McDonald has
a ceiling.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
He at ten and a.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Half sacks last year. He broke out Jermaine Johnson obviously
on the men, working his way back from the Achilles.
But he's feeling good. The Jets are going to take
a cautious approach to make sure he's ready for the
long term. I like the skill sets, how they can
compliment each other. But he came back this year McDonald
muscled up. He went from two thirty five to two fifty.
(23:38):
His athleticism is freaky. He's a unique specimen. What do
you anticipate from him as we go ahead.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I'm just excited to see if he just continues to
produce as a player that if you think about the
brief time he's been here, has never probably been talked
about as like a spotlight player. When you think about
like when they lost Brice hoff, right, what are they
(24:09):
gonna do? And then Jermaine Johnson tears his achilles, then
you have a very well publicized holdout that never comes
to fruition, right, a star player that you're bringing in
to rush the passer. And that was a disaster all year.
And all he did at this position that every time
you heard people kind of talk about it or write
about it, it was always, uh, the Jets have to
go get a d end, they have to to get
(24:31):
a pass rusher. I mean, look, they're losing all of
these guys, all the players that you thought were gonna
be the top of the depth chart players, And all
he did was take every opportunity that was put in
front of him and just go sack the quarterback. And
I kept saying, they have a guy on the field
that's got like nine sacks, Like what am I missing?
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Why?
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Why is it that this this disaster of depth? That
pass rusher, I don't know, seems like he's pretty good.
And so now he goes into this season as an
un question starter at that spot. But he earned it,
proved it, did it. So yeah, I'm I'm looking forward
to seeing if he keeps it up this year. Based
on what I saw today and also what I've seen
(25:12):
and heard from him even so far briefly in training camp,
it looks like he's picking right up where he left off.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Would you say that Jets haven't had a guy with
this kind of skill set since John Abraham?
Speaker 3 (25:22):
That's probably fair.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
And it's interesting looking back at that draft too, because
everybody was upset they didn't take a tackle at that point.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah, I mean it like the one on one pass
rusher or the bend the edge pass rusher that can
go get the quarterback and allows you to get to
the quarterback without sending numbers right like that. Every defensive
coordinator is looking for a fourth quarter pass rush without
having to blitz. That's what they want. And if he
(25:53):
gives you the ability to have, especially a fourth quarter
pass rush when the other team's kind of tired, but
hopefully you've got gas in the tank and you can
now wear a guy down over the course of the game,
and when the game's on the line, go make a
game changing play and to drive draw holding penalty, make
a sack, knock the ball out, which they didn't take
(26:13):
the ball away nearly as much as they needed to
last year. That has to be something that changes this year.
You have to take the ball away on defense. Nothing
creates turnovers like rushing the passer, whether you're knocking the
ball out.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Or forcing interceptions.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
If you can do that and you can still drop seven,
that that's the special sauce for every defensive coordinator. And
he like, he's that kind of player. He's that he
gives a defense that type of an element.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I think he's got fifteen sacked potential. He's a guy
who could have sack a game. I mean that's and
he's only going to get better. Jets Steelers, September seventh.
Have you thought about what the atmosphere is gonna be
like in that life?
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Who's playing quarterback for the Steelers?
Speaker 1 (26:57):
They tell me tell me a guy by the name.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I would think there'll be some spirit in the building. Yeah,
thanks buddy.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Thanks time for an extra point. I love training camp.
Football is returned and it's something that we all can celebrate.
In fact, the Jets will have a game next week
and begin preseason play Saturday night in Green Bay against
the Packers. Aaron Glenn is setting the tone, stressing that
his players are smart, tough, aggressive and resilient. Pads are popping.
(27:27):
The pace of workouts has stood out and there's been
complete buying from the players. Glenn is not emphasizing wins
and losses, staying focused on daily improvement and discipline and details.
If that happens consistently, wins will foul for the Jets
in the fall.
Popular Podcasts
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Special Summer Offer: Exclusively on Apple Podcasts, try our Dateline Premium subscription completely free for one month! With Dateline Premium, you get every episode ad-free plus exclusive bonus content.
The Breakfast Club
The World's Most Dangerous Morning Show, The Breakfast Club, With DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, And Charlamagne Tha God!
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.