December 10, 2025 • 34 mins
Host Jeane Coakley is joined by Jets Legend Marty Lyons to discuss the Green & White's Week 15 matchup with the Jacksonville Jaguars.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, and welcome to another episode of jet Stream. I'm
Jennay Cochley alongside my favorite person. I say it every
week and I'm going to continue to say at number
ninety three on the field, but number one one in
my heart, the Great Marty Lyons. Marty, we have a
great show for everybody today. Another jet legend will be
joining us shortly. We have some fun festive questions from
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the fans. But Marty, before we start talking football, I
got three things we got to talk about.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
First.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Okay, we got to talk about the alumn reunion because
there was a whole lot of alumni at that game
on Sunday. Gotta talk about those awesome retro uniforms, so sweet.
But first we got to talk about Method Man. You
got me a picture with him, my friend.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
But you know what that was probably the most exciting
part of about the pregame is Method Man is the
type of individual. He was over there taking pictures, getting
everybody fired up and wearing the number twenty jersey, and
those jerseys were killed. They were unbelievable because normally, you know,
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on alumni weekend or legend weekend, whichever phrase you want
to use, I would always take my jersey off and
sign it, and as I'm leaving the field, I give
it to somebody because you know, how many jerseys do
you need in your closet? But Janey, this is one
I kept.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
I think you better have kept that one.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, Chris Pierce and the Jets and anybody that was
involved with putting that together did an excellent job. And
it's just a shame that with all that excitement that
the Jets came out and they dug themselves a hole.
You know, you're down seven to nothing after four plays
and two minutes and fourteen seconds, and then you you know,
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by the end of the first quarter it's twenty one
to nothing. That's a deep hole. I don't care how
explosive your offense is. I don't care how good your
defense is. It's hard to come back when you're twenty
one points down.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah, I agree, But we're not talking about football quite yet,
because we still have to talk. I got to talk
about the end zone. I love the end zone. I
had the Gotham City. That was cool. Right then, we
like I said, we got all the legends. How many
legends were there? I mean I saw you marreaty like
shaking hands talking to people, hug how cool is that
for you? As a former place? It is, you know,
all those people there.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
You know what, today, I'm very fortunate and blessed that
I get to see quite a few of these guys.
Often during the year they'll come back and support a
foundation outing, but to see guys that you haven't seen
in so long, and and then of course you know
there's new faces, there's old faces, and of course there's
missing faces. And you know two people, you know, they
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came to mind right away, was you know, you know
Nick Mango, you know, just passed away. And also Jerry
Philbin from the Super Bowl three team, he passed away.
And and of course Bruce Harper wasn't there. So I
just got off the phone with Bruce and hopefully he's
going to be our guest next week. He's always been
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one of my favorites. And you know, you see these
guys and you talk to him. And Rusty Gilbot came
back with his wife. Havn't seen Rusty in probably twenty years,
maybe even longer. And it is a great job. The
Jets did a great job bringing them all back. And
that's something that shouldn't go unnoticed. At the organization and
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Woody Johnson hit. They care about the legends and they
care about the team, and to bring them all back
for a weekend, it was it was good.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
What does that all include? So everybody, where do you
guys sit? I mean, I know you're separate because you're.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I was actually down in Houston. The Foundation presented a
young man with the wish down there. So they bring
them all in and on Saturday night they have a
big dinner and a big cocktail party and everybody sits
around and tells stories. And you know, the stories get
bigger and bigger and bigger because the lies get bigger
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and bigger and bigger. And yeah, and it's always everybody
remembers the story, maybe quite different, you know, it's never
the same. It's like that home run that barely made
it over the fence that now landed in the parking lot.
But again, it's good to see these guys, and it's
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great that the organization, I think is is picking up
on it.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
And you like one of your former lungs is coaching.
I mean, you almost have to everybody there.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Right, Yeah, Well, you know what, I give credit to
all the fans that came out and you know, the
last couple of weeks, it's been very difficult, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
I mean they won the last couple of weeks. I
mean they won three of their last five. Unfortunately they
kind of didn't do it right.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
But you know, today it's that time of the year.
You know, you got Thanksgiving, you got Christmas. The game
against the Falcons, it was raining the stadium. The loyal
Jet fans that they were there this week. You know,
the weather was cold, and I had the opportunity two
weeks ago to go up to the three hundred section
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where their real fans are. They're way up there, and
they're so excited. They're so optimistic too. I don't think
anybody's saying, well, you know, the Jets are three and
nine and now they're three and ten and they're not
going to come out anymore. There's the loyal Jet fans
and they were out there in the parking lot too, So.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah, hey, they got to see some great alum you know,
great uniforms. And speaking of great alums, we got someone
joining us.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Oh it is wait a minute, I need to go
get my Alabama shirt on hold on, hold on Ray.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah, Well, I tell you what you guys played good
ball the whole college season. Man, Now, you guys are
tough to beat.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
That.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Texas put a little whipping on you there that last game.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
All right, well, let me introduce our guests as we're
talking a little college football, right. Today's are Marty. Today's
guest is one of the toughest corners to ever suit
up for the Jets, the original lockdown slot corner, a
fan favorite, also went to Texas A and m I
see wearing his shirt proudly. Ray Mickens Ray, thanks so
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much for joining us.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
Yeah, so again, Yeah, I'm excited about and him in
the playoffs. I think we got Miami at home. They're
a very, very good team this year. I watched a
lot of college football, you know, not saying I don't
watch my Jets, but watch a lot of college football
across the country. And we have a good team.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
But there's some really good teams in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
How about Alabama marready?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Well, you know what, Alabama. Alabama had a tough time
against Auburn and then they really got beat up. You
just got to say it, man, they got beat up
by a better team that day a neutral site in Georgia.
They beat Georgia early in the season, but they open
up against Oklahoma in Norman and that's gonna be a
tough one because Oklahoma beat them because Alabama just kept
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turning the ball over. So I think you got to
protect the ball and anything can happen. It's a shame
that Notre Dame, you know, took the position that they did,
and you try to understand it, but there's only someone
went to Alabama.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
You're not going to be able to understand Notre Dame position. Stop.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
You tried to, though you could try.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
You can try all you want, all right, raight weird?
Martin and I are just talking about this past weekend,
the legends weekends, the uniforms. How cool is it to
be there with all of the alumni and all the
legends there.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Man, I can just tell you the love grows every year.
Every year that.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
You get to see your brothers, the love is just bigger.
And I think Marty can understand that. It just keeps growing, man,
and I get goosebumps just seeing those guys. You know,
I'm like, man, I can't believe I played with these guys. Man,
they are legends.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, you know what I was telling Jennay earlier. There's
so many players that turned out this week. What a
great job of the organization, did you know? You know?
And I was talking to haid Me, the president, about
maybe taking that legend weekend and moving it up toward
the front end of the saon so that none of
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us can predict what the Jets are going to do.
But if number one it would be warmer number two,
we would be guaranteed that there'd be more people in
the stands. And I think the fans need to be
recognized also, because you know what they make the game.
We go out there, we play as hard as we
can for one another, but we play for the fans.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
One hundred percent, right Marty, I think, man, I just
remember back in ninety eight when the stadium was just
packed and it was you couldn't even hear yourself on
the field. We're trying to get calls out on defense
and the crowd was loud.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
I loved it.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Man, offense couldn't make checks, you know, and and then
today it's a little different. I just want to get
back there, you know, I want to get back there.
There's some loyal fans out there.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
I love them. You see them in the parking lot.
They're tailgating.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
You know, I hate to say it, but crazy. So
I just caught a red eye this morning back to Dallas,
and I was in uh Los Angeles for the Chargers
game last night, which was a great game.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
By by the way, why were you were you at.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
The chart for my son?
Speaker 5 (09:58):
My son got drafted by the Chargers. He went to
Clemson and then got drafted by the Chargers, and he's
been starting the last four games. So you know, he's
getting his action, and you know, I'm up there with anxiety.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
You know, make sure you keep your.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Eyes clean, make sure you're reading that tight end from
the booth and all this stuff. So yeah, so I
go to a games and and and one thing that
I seen, you know, as a fan.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Now I'm walking with all the other fans.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
You know.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
That, you know, the there's no tailgating. You know, maybe
that's an l a thing.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
You know, people get there right about halftime, right literally, yeah,
there was. It was my seats. We had four seats
into the front of us to left fright of us.
It was empty all the way up until the end
of the second quarter, and then people started coming in
with their nachos and their drinks. It was it's kind
of bizarre. And actually, obviously it was Philadelphia. Philadelphia travels well.
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So actually more than fifty percent of the fans were
Eagles fans at that time. You know, no shade the
Chargers because they have a loyal fan base, but I
believe that fan base is in San Diego, not in
Los Angeles, So so I could kind of see the
difference from from those games.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
From that experience.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
It's just my experience, my experience to the Jets experiences
back in the nineties when I was playing.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
You know, Ray, you talk about your experience with the Jets,
how has it influenced you away from the field, Because
you've done a tremendous amount of work with your restaurants
and everything else. Talk a little bit about that influence
like Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick had on you.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Man, They've influenced me all the way to this day.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
You know, I'm talking about things with my my restaurant team,
my leadership, you know, about doing your job, about teamwork,
you know, not feeling sorry for yourself, but if there's
an issue that comes up, find a way to solve it,
and ourselves one of his famous saints that I'll never forget,
it's almost ain't good enough. You know, you know, you
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drop an interception and and you know you got a
dd clap his hands and running around the field and
everybody's hitting them on the head and he's like, yeah, you.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Almost got it. Ye're almost. You're like, almost isn't good enough.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
You know, you got to complete the job, You got
to make the putt in your golf. Almost is not
good enough. And that stuck with me. Almost is not
good enough.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
What is one of your best Jets memories?
Speaker 5 (12:33):
Man, I have a few of them, but I think
the playoff game. It was a home playoff game against
the Jacksonville Jaguars. And that game, again, when I talk
about the loud, that was probably the loudest crowd that
I've ever played in front of in New York. Wow,
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it was packed. We were we had a lot of adrilline.
We felt like we were the better team. Actually, that
whole year every game we played, when there was never
a game we walked into that we felt like, oh man,
you know they're good.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
No, we were all We.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Felt like we were the better team every single year.
And that Jacksonville Jaguar game was was one of those games,
and it was a home game and it was a
playoff game, and I remember I had to do a
commercial shoot with Marvin Jones Mat Lewis.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
And I'm like, man, what is this? Are we superstars now?
And you know what I remember?
Speaker 5 (13:24):
I mean I made I made some big plays in
that game. You know, I got some pressures on on
the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Forgot the name his quarterback?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Was it Brunell?
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Yeah, yeah, Mark Bronell. I got around twenty Boselli. He
was a big Hall of Famer two man huge.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
I made me.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
He hit me one time, cracked my neck. Uh But yeah,
So so that game, I think that one the one
that brings back a lot of memories. And also the
AFC Championship game against the Broncos out in Denver in
ninety eight as well.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
I thought we had that game one at halftime.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
And and the ball just didn't bounce our way in
the second half.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
You know, Ray, you've been around football your whole life.
You're watching your son play. What's missing in this Jet
organization right now? Because you look at the record and
Bill Parcells always said you are what your record says
you were they've lost ten or more games in the
past five years, five consecutive years. What do you think
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is missing there?
Speaker 5 (14:30):
The same thing that was missing when we when Parcels
and Belichick took over our team in ninety seven, it
was the same guys in ninety six that were one
and fifteen, And then that that next year we flipped
the script went nine to seven and twelve or four,
the same guys pretty much essentially the same guys. He
brought in a couple guys that changed the culture of
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the locker room. And when those guys came in there
there was a Pepper Johnson that came in, it was
a Brian Cott, and then it rose the level of
everybody's play. And I can just tell you it's the
same guys on the team. I remember it was me, Aaron, Glenn,
Oda Smith and we just all of us were playing
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at a higher level because of the locker room, right.
It was because of the culture and environment in the
locker room. And you know, Marty, you know this is
that the NFL. I mean, even when we went one
to fifteen, a lot of the games we lost were
for about four points or less. It was like four
points or less. We just were we found a way
to lose. We just kind of found a way to lose.
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And then that was who we were, the team that
found a way to losing, right, And so all we
did was we turned around and we found ways to win.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
We found ways to win.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
It came down to the last two minutes, and we
knew our two minutes were, Okay, this is what we're
going to do in this situation. We used to practice
situational football every Thursday and Friday. Situational football. You're down
by three, we need the ball back. This is what
we're going to through.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Right.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
We're up five three, all right, we're trying to run
the clock out.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
This is what we're gonna do, right, And.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
So that situational football turn a one in fifteen into
twelve and four in two years because we were still
winning games, but about four points or more, you know,
to less.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Yeah, and you mentioned one of the guys on that
team is Aaron Glenn. Now he's obviously the head coach.
What's that like seeing a former team at one of
your very good friends trying to do what you guys
did when you played.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Just pinching myself, I mean, first of all, I just
you know, just to see him coaching now, and to
see and I call them kids, but they're there, young
men that he's coaching, you know, looking at these kids.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Rights okay, yeah, yeah, their kids.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
I pinched myself because of the situation, the position he's in,
but understanding what he has to do to turn this
ship around.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
You know, this is a battleship. This ain't a speedboat.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
I know that some people want to think it's a speedboat,
but it's a battleship. And and to turn the battleship
around because somebody left, you know, left something back at home.
It's not that quick. And so you know, he's got
he's got some work to do. Personally, since I'm not
involved with the organization, I can speak a little bit more.
I think that, you know, you do need a quarterback
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that everybody can believe in. You know, that's just the
way it is. You You got to have somebody that
they can believe in. We believed in Vinny Tessa Verdi
back then and Chad Pennington when we had Chad, and
they they delivered, They did their job. They did they
weren't you know, I can say that they weren't. Peyton
Manning you know, they weren't like a Mahomes that's gonna
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you know, go for five to six d throw for
five six hundred yards game.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
But they managed the game. They were great locker room guys.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
Benny literally on our off days on Tuesdays taught me
and Aaron Glenn and Marcus Coleman had a golf like.
He was a He was a scratch people if people
people don't understand this, but Vinnie was a scratch golfer.
He was like a three handicap.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
Really yeah, yeah, back then, me, Aaron and Marcus Coleman,
we were we were shooting about one. For anybody in
golf knows the patience that you have to have to
go out and play eighteen holes with guys like that, right.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
That was our started quarterback.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Our started quarterback would go play eighteen holes with us
on a day off and so on Sundays.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Man, it's easy to play for ng.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
You know, how did he how did your golf game
turn out?
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Ask him? Ask him now, I'm good. Yeah, no, he
helped us out a lot.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
I mean really, it was just about the basics of golf,
like etiquettees, you know, like your your you know, your shadow.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
On the green like we didn't know anything.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
And he came.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Around and said, hey, you gotta study puts from every side. Man,
you gotta you know, you can't just hit it, you know,
you know, you want to try to keep it in
the fairway. You know, all the little things that you know,
things that people take for granted. But the basics of
the basics of golf those he taught that. And and
to be honest with you, really, that's what football is,
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the basics. It's it's about blocking and tackling. That's what
it's about at the end of the day. And I
remember Belichick said that, you know, in the defensive meter
room and every every training count, you know, it's about
blocking and tackling.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
You know, we can draw up any play we want
to draw up.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
We can have the greatest minds over here on it
as a defensive coordinator office coordinator. But if you but
if we drop a blitz and you can't tackle it,
you know, you let the quarterback run free.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
He scrambles and throws a you know, forty yards.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
It doesn't matter if we drop a play for Curtis
Martin and all and left tackle or the tight end
doesn't block their guy, he's going to get hit in
the backfield. So those the simple things or what turns
you into a media over team to a great team.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, it's like doing the little things. You can't accomplish
the big things if you don't finish off the little things.
You know, watching Brady Cook come out there and play
the way that he played, you know, he wasn't drafted,
played at Missouri, had had great numbers there at forty
nine touchdowns fifteen interceptions. I was excited for him. I
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thought he played very well, getting thrown in there the
way that he did, and you know, I think he
understands the game. He took advantage of that moment. And
I'd like to see, you know, the final four games
of the year, turn them over to him. Find out
what you have because you're unsure about justin fields Tyrod Taylor.
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Everybody knows he's a great leader, but he's coming to
the end. He's already played sixteen years. You got to
find that quarterback of the future.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Yeah, I think he can be.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
I think you know what he's got to do is
he's got to win the locker room. I mean, forget
about the media. Just forget about the media. Forget about
everybody else. Go to your teammates, your brothers, and just say, hey, man,
I'm gonna get I'm gonna do it for you. I'm
gonna get better for you. I promise you. I'm gonna
get better every game. You know, my mistakes are gonna
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are gonna shrink, and I'm gonna be the guy in
the future. And if he says that with conviction, I
could tell you defensive player is gonna play for him.
I'm speaking from a defensive player standpoint. When I hear
my quarterback, I don't care how bad of a game
he had. If he steps up and says the right
things about, hey, this is what I'm gonna do, I'm
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gonna play for him.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
That's a great suggestion, and you kind of hope that
that happens for a young player. I know when I
came in the league in seventy nine, if you were
a rookie, you didn't say anything. You were just happy
to be in the locker room.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Yeah, So I mean I feel I feel good about him.
I feel good about you know that coming into this offseason.
But right now, these guys are putting putting their resume
on tape, and you know, they need to be held
accountable for what you do and what you with the
tape you put you put out there. I remember we
were one in one in fifteen that year. Remember we
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were about we were one and twelve going into the
last few games, and everybody knew the coaches were going
to get fired. We knew co type and the whole
team was, the whole staff was going to get fired.
And I remember one of the veterans in a line
of young saying, hey, guys, you're putting your resume on
film right now.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
You know you're putting your resume on.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Film, So so you better play hard, you better, you
better have a lot of effort, you know, show show
the next incoming coaches what you can do. And so
I think that Aaron Glenn and his team, he's evaluating
players right now. He's evaluating players, you know, on what
they're doing in adverse situation rations.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
I have a question to asked, right, Obviously I have
a lot of questions asked. But I think played eight
years for the Jets, ten years over all the league, correct.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Yeah, eleven years overall, but yeah, I was on IR.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, Okay, had eleven interceptions in your career. The Jets
have zero this year. What what is that? As a cornerback,
as as someone who played depth position, what do you
think it is? It's so weird, right.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
So I just literally came from a game last night
where the defense had like four interceptions, like they were
interceptions off the back of guys and tips.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
You know.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
So yeah, it's kind of mind boggling.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Game ended on an interception.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Yeah, yeah, off of tipped interception.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
So you know, it wasn't like it was a clean
break cut, you know, it was just so yeah, it's
kind of it's kind of mind boggled. How come they
don't have any any turnovers or interceptions? That is at
this point, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
I couldn't. I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
You know, they just got to get on the drugs
machine and hopefully they're still doing that, working on their
dead ship. I should have did more of that myself, though,
be honest with you. I had eleven and this side
I should have had. I should have had a lot.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
All right, Well, Ray, we do this segment from fans,
questions from fans? Have you join with us?
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
All right? Are you ready? All right, Marty did the
little drum roll. Time for questions, Thank you? All right.
This one comes from Isabelle from Jersey. This is kind
of fun. You know, I'm going to end with that
one because this one, that one's more fun, all right. Uh,
this comes from Joe from New York. Who was the
best trash talker on your team?
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Oh? On my team?
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yep, your team? And then Marty you after, who was
the best trash talker on your team?
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Man?
Speaker 4 (24:46):
It was a tie. It's a tie.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
It's a toss up between Brian Cox on defense. He
was crazy and then Keishawn Johnson on offense.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
He was a if.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
He was trash talk everybody, even trash talk his own
teammates all the time. He was just somebody that you
had to laugh, man, You smile to be around, and
and you felt honored when he starts talking mess about you.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
But yeah, Brian Cox, he's.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Another guy man that he's he's just a warrior man.
He sticks up for everybody out there on the field,
and he's sticking for me on many occasions if somebody
pushed me late or something like that. And you just
appreciate guys like that. But yeah, he talked his butt off.
He can talk with the best of them.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
I can't see what he said.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I'm with you on that. I think the biggest trash
talker was Tom Newton. He's a special team player, and
he would talk trash every single play, even yell at
Don Shure when we were playing the Dolphins. He didn't care.
And sometimes you would just laugh and say, where in
the world did you come up with that one? But
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he was he was a good guy to have around.
He was good in the locker room. But yeah, he
started talking trash from the time that he got on
the field until probably time he went to bed.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
He never stopped. All right, all right, this one comes
from Pat from Long Island. I know, Marty, you answered
this one before, but I kind of forgot the answer.
But welcome to the NFL moment.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Welcome to the NFL. There go.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I think it was my rookie season. I was we
were playing the Cleveland Browns. I was playing defensive end
and I lined up and Ozzie Knewsom, who was a
friend of mine still good friend at the University of Alabama.
And you know, Ozzie had that little you know, he'd
get down in the three point stance. The ass was
so close to the ground you knew he wasn't going
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to block you. And about the time, right before they
snapped the ball, he looked up at me and he goes, hey, homie,
how you doing. And just as I answered, the ball
was snapped and he reached blocked me and they ran
for another fifteen yards. I go, man, welcome to the NFL.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
I think for me it was my rookie year. Actually
it was the first game of the year. I ended
up starting the first game of the year. I started
as a rookie, my first game, and I remember going
against John Elway, a guy used to play video games with.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Now I'm going up against him now.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
And Ed McCaffrey was the receiver that I was assigned to.
Aaron Glenn was assigned to Miller. I forgot his first name.
He was the number one receiver. Ed McCaffrey was the
number two receiver. People knew Ed caffrey. He was that tall,
lanky guy that a lawyer to sleep with. His great
route running Loya to sleep Man, sneaky fast and the
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first I think one of the first passes of the game,
he ran a fifteen yard comeback and I broke it up, man,
and I was so pumped up, like I've been longing
the NFL. Yeah, baby, and everybody's hit me on the head.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
You know.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
It was a third and long and I broke it up.
And then later on in that game, I never forget.
I think it was the end of the second quarter.
He ran that same route and then double moved and
took it up. I was like, uh oh oh man,
it was a touchdown. Crowding crazy, and I couldn't believe.
I was just like, man, I got before touchdown. I
only got be from one touchdown in five years in college,
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and and so that getting before touchdown was really crushing.
I go over to the sideline and take off my
helmet and guys would hit me on the head.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Don't worry about the rook man walking to the NFL, man,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
And I was just like, yeah, I guess you're gonna
get beats sometimes out here.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
All the emotions of that you're all hyped up. Then
never mind, all right. My last question, this is what
I'm going to say, is from Isabelle from New Jersey.
This is actually really fun. One yes, which teammate would
make the best Santa Loss. Well, I think you, Marty
would be on. You can say yourself. I did.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I did play Santa Claus for a lot of years
for a United Way and got on a helicopter and
the delivery gifts. So I enjoyed that. We also had been
Rudolph he played Santa Claus. He didn't. He wasn't a
good Santa Claus in the kids kind of ran him
out of the out of the room. But you know,
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that's that's a good question. I think that, Uh, you
can claim it. You got to play the role.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah, you can claim it. What about for you? Ray
for me?
Speaker 5 (29:41):
I think that simple. I hope he's not listening because
he'll he'll be mad at me. But uh, number thirty
three full back back when I played, his name was
Gerald Sowell. It was kind of built like Santa Mega.
He uh and uh he actually back then he was
in his twenties and he already started having gray So
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so now if you see him now, he has all
gray hair everything, and he still has the same shape.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
And he has a soft voice.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Though to be as big as he is, he has
a very very soft voice.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
He's almost got that Tyson voice.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Yeah, I'm like, yeah, he could be Saint Nick.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Are we sure he's not Saint Nick? I mean.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
No, he's not.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
He's tight with his money.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Oh all right right, it was so much fun having
you on the podcast with us today.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Yeah, thanks for having me, guys. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yeah, we appreciate it. Ray, I just got one last story.
I was getting in the elevator going upstairs and visited
some sweets in the first quarter. You know, they had
all those credentials they gave us, and one of the
guys in the elevator looks over at me, and he's
looking at my credential. He goes, excuse me, did you
have a son that played for the Jets? Oh? You know,
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almost wanted to backhand the bus.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Yeah. Man, we're getting up there in age.
Speaker 5 (31:04):
And and like I, like I said at the very beginning,
you know, the love only grows stronger every year.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
It grows stronger for the Jets. For me personally, going
back means a lot.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
You know, this legends weekend, I missed my daughter's soccer
tournament in Kansas City, and I was just like, no,
I got it. I had to go I had to
come back. You never know when you're gonna see these
guys again.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
So yeah, and you got and you got a sweet jersey.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
Oh man, that jersey is off the chain. I mean yeah,
it's off the chain. I'm a frame it actually put
it up in my game room.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
That's the best uniform they were talking earlier, right, that's
that's they did a great job.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
Yeah, Gus and them, they Gus that whole equipment. Man,
they do they do a great job.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Man.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
It was good to see Gus too.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Oh Who's is there anybody still there that when you play?
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, I thought a lot of them, right, not a lot,
but yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
Just uh GUS equipment manager Brian Mulligan. Mully Mulley was
there when I played.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
That's funny. Yeah he was young, young, young. He looked
like he was like a little boy back then. And
so Mully was there. And who else? There was somebody
else that was there when I was there? Oh yeah,
the security is it? Bobby?
Speaker 5 (32:27):
Yeah yeah, Bob. Bobby was there with Steve Yarnell. I
remember that. I'll never forget that.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
And uh a quick story, Yeah, I saw Bobby Man.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
I was at the super Bowl Phoenix doing something in
Phoenix the Super Bowl. I go to Mastro Steakhouse and
I see Bobby in there and I and I literally
said Bobby. He was like, right, Nickers, what's up?
Speaker 4 (32:47):
I said, where's Woody? He has to be doing there somewhere.
He wouldn't be in no, no Mastro steakhouse by himself.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Right. He started laughing.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
He starts, yeah, that was Bud.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Oh, that's awesome. Okay, good luck to r J. Yeah,
looks like you're gonna go a long way watching him.
That's awesome.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Man.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
You know, they they won a big game last night.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
That was a huge win against the Eagles, which was
a great team.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
I don't know how they won that game. It was.
It was kind of a bizarre game last night.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
But the Chargers that that now, that quarterback that the.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Chargers has, he's a tough clicker. He's tough.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
I mean, he's broken hand right.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
Broken hand, broken offensive line right now. I mean, and
he he finds a way to get it done.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
That's a guy.
Speaker 5 (33:39):
Like I said, you know, those guys can really rally
around him, and and they've been they've been doing that.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
So they got a good team.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah, you could tell by all the interviews at the
end of the game. All the defensive players, yes, they interviewed,
talked about his toughness. I mean he got sacked what
seven times last night?
Speaker 5 (33:58):
Yeah, see again he goes about to that a quarterback
that you can play for.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Like, defensive players see what.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
He do, what he does, and it just gives him
energy to go out there and get another stop.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
Get him the ball back. We got to get him
the ball back.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Man.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
This dude is pouring it out there for us, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
And it's just like Buffalo, you know, when they're down,
just get Josh Allen on the ball. It doesn't matter
about the time he's going to move it down the field.
He's going to get what you need, whether it's three
or he needs to get a touchdown. There there is
that belief and I think, you know, Ray, you hit
the nail on the head. That's what the Jets have
to do. They have to find that quarterback that the
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whole organization and more importantly, the locker room believes it.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Well, that's what we're asking for Christmas this year. All right,
so much fun having you on right. Appreciate you you,
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Thanks great
Hello, and welcome to another episode of jet Stream. I'm
Jennay Cochley alongside my favorite person. I say it every
week and I'm going to continue to say at number
ninety three on the field, but number one one in
my heart, the Great Marty Lyons. Marty, we have a
great show for everybody today. Another jet legend will be
joining us shortly. We have some fun festive questions from
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the fans. But Marty, before we start talking football, I
got three things we got to talk about.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
First.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Okay, we got to talk about the alumn reunion because
there was a whole lot of alumni at that game
on Sunday. Gotta talk about those awesome retro uniforms, so sweet.
But first we got to talk about Method Man. You
got me a picture with him, my friend.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
But you know what that was probably the most exciting
part of about the pregame is Method Man is the
type of individual. He was over there taking pictures, getting
everybody fired up and wearing the number twenty jersey, and
those jerseys were killed. They were unbelievable because normally, you know,
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on alumni weekend or legend weekend, whichever phrase you want
to use, I would always take my jersey off and
sign it, and as I'm leaving the field, I give
it to somebody because you know, how many jerseys do
you need in your closet? But Janey, this is one
I kept.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
I think you better have kept that one.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, Chris Pierce and the Jets and anybody that was
involved with putting that together did an excellent job. And
it's just a shame that with all that excitement that
the Jets came out and they dug themselves a hole.
You know, you're down seven to nothing after four plays
and two minutes and fourteen seconds, and then you you know,
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by the end of the first quarter it's twenty one
to nothing. That's a deep hole. I don't care how
explosive your offense is. I don't care how good your
defense is. It's hard to come back when you're twenty
one points down.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah, I agree, But we're not talking about football quite yet,
because we still have to talk. I got to talk
about the end zone. I love the end zone. I
had the Gotham City. That was cool. Right then, we
like I said, we got all the legends. How many
legends were there? I mean I saw you marreaty like
shaking hands talking to people, hug how cool is that
for you? As a former place? It is, you know,
all those people there.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
You know what, today, I'm very fortunate and blessed that
I get to see quite a few of these guys.
Often during the year they'll come back and support a
foundation outing, but to see guys that you haven't seen
in so long, and and then of course you know
there's new faces, there's old faces, and of course there's
missing faces. And you know two people, you know, they
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came to mind right away, was you know, you know
Nick Mango, you know, just passed away. And also Jerry
Philbin from the Super Bowl three team, he passed away.
And and of course Bruce Harper wasn't there. So I
just got off the phone with Bruce and hopefully he's
going to be our guest next week. He's always been
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one of my favorites. And you know, you see these
guys and you talk to him. And Rusty Gilbot came
back with his wife. Havn't seen Rusty in probably twenty years,
maybe even longer. And it is a great job. The
Jets did a great job bringing them all back. And
that's something that shouldn't go unnoticed. At the organization and
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Woody Johnson hit. They care about the legends and they
care about the team, and to bring them all back
for a weekend, it was it was good.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
What does that all include? So everybody, where do you
guys sit? I mean, I know you're separate because you're.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I was actually down in Houston. The Foundation presented a
young man with the wish down there. So they bring
them all in and on Saturday night they have a
big dinner and a big cocktail party and everybody sits
around and tells stories. And you know, the stories get
bigger and bigger and bigger because the lies get bigger
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and bigger and bigger. And yeah, and it's always everybody
remembers the story, maybe quite different, you know, it's never
the same. It's like that home run that barely made
it over the fence that now landed in the parking lot.
But again, it's good to see these guys, and it's
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great that the organization, I think is is picking up
on it.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
And you like one of your former lungs is coaching.
I mean, you almost have to everybody there.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Right, Yeah, Well, you know what, I give credit to
all the fans that came out and you know, the
last couple of weeks, it's been very difficult, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
I mean they won the last couple of weeks. I
mean they won three of their last five. Unfortunately they
kind of didn't do it right.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
But you know, today it's that time of the year.
You know, you got Thanksgiving, you got Christmas. The game
against the Falcons, it was raining the stadium. The loyal
Jet fans that they were there this week. You know,
the weather was cold, and I had the opportunity two
weeks ago to go up to the three hundred section
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where their real fans are. They're way up there, and
they're so excited. They're so optimistic too. I don't think
anybody's saying, well, you know, the Jets are three and
nine and now they're three and ten and they're not
going to come out anymore. There's the loyal Jet fans
and they were out there in the parking lot too, So.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah, hey, they got to see some great alum you know,
great uniforms. And speaking of great alums, we got someone
joining us.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Oh it is wait a minute, I need to go
get my Alabama shirt on hold on, hold on Ray.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah, Well, I tell you what you guys played good
ball the whole college season. Man, Now, you guys are
tough to beat.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
That.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Texas put a little whipping on you there that last game.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
All right, well, let me introduce our guests as we're
talking a little college football, right. Today's are Marty. Today's
guest is one of the toughest corners to ever suit
up for the Jets, the original lockdown slot corner, a
fan favorite, also went to Texas A and m I
see wearing his shirt proudly. Ray Mickens Ray, thanks so
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much for joining us.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
Yeah, so again, Yeah, I'm excited about and him in
the playoffs. I think we got Miami at home. They're
a very, very good team this year. I watched a
lot of college football, you know, not saying I don't
watch my Jets, but watch a lot of college football
across the country. And we have a good team.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
But there's some really good teams in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
How about Alabama marready?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Well, you know what, Alabama. Alabama had a tough time
against Auburn and then they really got beat up. You
just got to say it, man, they got beat up
by a better team that day a neutral site in Georgia.
They beat Georgia early in the season, but they open
up against Oklahoma in Norman and that's gonna be a
tough one because Oklahoma beat them because Alabama just kept
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turning the ball over. So I think you got to
protect the ball and anything can happen. It's a shame
that Notre Dame, you know, took the position that they did,
and you try to understand it, but there's only someone
went to Alabama.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
You're not going to be able to understand Notre Dame position. Stop.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
You tried to, though you could try.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
You can try all you want, all right, raight weird?
Martin and I are just talking about this past weekend,
the legends weekends, the uniforms. How cool is it to
be there with all of the alumni and all the
legends there.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Man, I can just tell you the love grows every year.
Every year that.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
You get to see your brothers, the love is just bigger.
And I think Marty can understand that. It just keeps growing, man,
and I get goosebumps just seeing those guys. You know,
I'm like, man, I can't believe I played with these guys. Man,
they are legends.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, you know what I was telling Jennay earlier. There's
so many players that turned out this week. What a
great job of the organization, did you know? You know?
And I was talking to haid Me, the president, about
maybe taking that legend weekend and moving it up toward
the front end of the saon so that none of
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us can predict what the Jets are going to do.
But if number one it would be warmer number two,
we would be guaranteed that there'd be more people in
the stands. And I think the fans need to be
recognized also, because you know what they make the game.
We go out there, we play as hard as we
can for one another, but we play for the fans.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
One hundred percent, right Marty, I think, man, I just
remember back in ninety eight when the stadium was just
packed and it was you couldn't even hear yourself on
the field. We're trying to get calls out on defense
and the crowd was loud.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
I loved it.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Man, offense couldn't make checks, you know, and and then
today it's a little different. I just want to get
back there, you know, I want to get back there.
There's some loyal fans out there.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
I love them. You see them in the parking lot.
They're tailgating.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
You know, I hate to say it, but crazy. So
I just caught a red eye this morning back to Dallas,
and I was in uh Los Angeles for the Chargers
game last night, which was a great game.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
By by the way, why were you were you at.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
The chart for my son?
Speaker 5 (09:58):
My son got drafted by the Chargers. He went to
Clemson and then got drafted by the Chargers, and he's
been starting the last four games. So you know, he's
getting his action, and you know, I'm up there with anxiety.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
You know, make sure you keep your.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Eyes clean, make sure you're reading that tight end from
the booth and all this stuff. So yeah, so I
go to a games and and and one thing that
I seen, you know, as a fan.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Now I'm walking with all the other fans.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
You know.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
That, you know, the there's no tailgating. You know, maybe
that's an l a thing.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
You know, people get there right about halftime, right literally, yeah,
there was. It was my seats. We had four seats
into the front of us to left fright of us.
It was empty all the way up until the end
of the second quarter, and then people started coming in
with their nachos and their drinks. It was it's kind
of bizarre. And actually, obviously it was Philadelphia. Philadelphia travels well.
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So actually more than fifty percent of the fans were
Eagles fans at that time. You know, no shade the
Chargers because they have a loyal fan base, but I
believe that fan base is in San Diego, not in
Los Angeles, So so I could kind of see the
difference from from those games.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
From that experience.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
It's just my experience, my experience to the Jets experiences
back in the nineties when I was playing.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
You know, Ray, you talk about your experience with the Jets,
how has it influenced you away from the field, Because
you've done a tremendous amount of work with your restaurants
and everything else. Talk a little bit about that influence
like Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick had on you.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Man, They've influenced me all the way to this day.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
You know, I'm talking about things with my my restaurant team,
my leadership, you know, about doing your job, about teamwork,
you know, not feeling sorry for yourself, but if there's
an issue that comes up, find a way to solve it,
and ourselves one of his famous saints that I'll never forget,
it's almost ain't good enough. You know, you know, you
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drop an interception and and you know you got a
dd clap his hands and running around the field and
everybody's hitting them on the head and he's like, yeah, you.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Almost got it. Ye're almost. You're like, almost isn't good enough.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
You know, you got to complete the job, You got
to make the putt in your golf. Almost is not
good enough. And that stuck with me. Almost is not
good enough.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
What is one of your best Jets memories?
Speaker 5 (12:33):
Man, I have a few of them, but I think
the playoff game. It was a home playoff game against
the Jacksonville Jaguars. And that game, again, when I talk
about the loud, that was probably the loudest crowd that
I've ever played in front of in New York. Wow,
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it was packed. We were we had a lot of adrilline.
We felt like we were the better team. Actually, that
whole year every game we played, when there was never
a game we walked into that we felt like, oh man,
you know they're good.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
No, we were all We.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Felt like we were the better team every single year.
And that Jacksonville Jaguar game was was one of those games,
and it was a home game and it was a
playoff game, and I remember I had to do a
commercial shoot with Marvin Jones Mat Lewis.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
And I'm like, man, what is this? Are we superstars now?
And you know what I remember?
Speaker 5 (13:24):
I mean I made I made some big plays in
that game. You know, I got some pressures on on
the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Forgot the name his quarterback?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Was it Brunell?
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Yeah, yeah, Mark Bronell. I got around twenty Boselli. He
was a big Hall of Famer two man huge.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
I made me.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
He hit me one time, cracked my neck. Uh But yeah,
So so that game, I think that one the one
that brings back a lot of memories. And also the
AFC Championship game against the Broncos out in Denver in
ninety eight as well.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
I thought we had that game one at halftime.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
And and the ball just didn't bounce our way in
the second half.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
You know, Ray, you've been around football your whole life.
You're watching your son play. What's missing in this Jet
organization right now? Because you look at the record and
Bill Parcells always said you are what your record says
you were they've lost ten or more games in the
past five years, five consecutive years. What do you think
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is missing there?
Speaker 5 (14:30):
The same thing that was missing when we when Parcels
and Belichick took over our team in ninety seven, it
was the same guys in ninety six that were one
and fifteen, And then that that next year we flipped
the script went nine to seven and twelve or four,
the same guys pretty much essentially the same guys. He
brought in a couple guys that changed the culture of
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the locker room. And when those guys came in there
there was a Pepper Johnson that came in, it was
a Brian Cott, and then it rose the level of
everybody's play. And I can just tell you it's the
same guys on the team. I remember it was me, Aaron, Glenn,
Oda Smith and we just all of us were playing
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at a higher level because of the locker room, right.
It was because of the culture and environment in the
locker room. And you know, Marty, you know this is
that the NFL. I mean, even when we went one
to fifteen, a lot of the games we lost were
for about four points or less. It was like four
points or less. We just were we found a way
to lose. We just kind of found a way to lose.
(15:34):
And then that was who we were, the team that
found a way to losing, right, And so all we
did was we turned around and we found ways to win.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
We found ways to win.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
It came down to the last two minutes, and we
knew our two minutes were, Okay, this is what we're
going to do in this situation. We used to practice
situational football every Thursday and Friday. Situational football. You're down
by three, we need the ball back. This is what
we're going to through.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Right.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
We're up five three, all right, we're trying to run
the clock out.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
This is what we're gonna do, right, And.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
So that situational football turn a one in fifteen into
twelve and four in two years because we were still
winning games, but about four points or more, you know,
to less.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Yeah, and you mentioned one of the guys on that
team is Aaron Glenn. Now he's obviously the head coach.
What's that like seeing a former team at one of
your very good friends trying to do what you guys
did when you played.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Just pinching myself, I mean, first of all, I just
you know, just to see him coaching now, and to
see and I call them kids, but they're there, young
men that he's coaching, you know, looking at these kids.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Rights okay, yeah, yeah, their kids.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
I pinched myself because of the situation, the position he's in,
but understanding what he has to do to turn this
ship around.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
You know, this is a battleship. This ain't a speedboat.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
I know that some people want to think it's a speedboat,
but it's a battleship. And and to turn the battleship
around because somebody left, you know, left something back at home.
It's not that quick. And so you know, he's got
he's got some work to do. Personally, since I'm not
involved with the organization, I can speak a little bit more.
I think that, you know, you do need a quarterback
(17:23):
that everybody can believe in. You know, that's just the
way it is. You You got to have somebody that
they can believe in. We believed in Vinny Tessa Verdi
back then and Chad Pennington when we had Chad, and
they they delivered, They did their job. They did they
weren't you know, I can say that they weren't. Peyton
Manning you know, they weren't like a Mahomes that's gonna
(17:43):
you know, go for five to six d throw for
five six hundred yards game.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
But they managed the game. They were great locker room guys.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
Benny literally on our off days on Tuesdays taught me
and Aaron Glenn and Marcus Coleman had a golf like.
He was a He was a scratch people if people
people don't understand this, but Vinnie was a scratch golfer.
He was like a three handicap.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
Really yeah, yeah, back then, me, Aaron and Marcus Coleman,
we were we were shooting about one. For anybody in
golf knows the patience that you have to have to
go out and play eighteen holes with guys like that, right.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
That was our started quarterback.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Our started quarterback would go play eighteen holes with us
on a day off and so on Sundays.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Man, it's easy to play for ng.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
You know, how did he how did your golf game
turn out?
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Ask him? Ask him now, I'm good. Yeah, no, he
helped us out a lot.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
I mean really, it was just about the basics of golf,
like etiquettees, you know, like your your you know, your shadow.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
On the green like we didn't know anything.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
And he came.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Around and said, hey, you gotta study puts from every side. Man,
you gotta you know, you can't just hit it, you know,
you know, you want to try to keep it in
the fairway. You know, all the little things that you know,
things that people take for granted. But the basics of
the basics of golf those he taught that. And and
to be honest with you, really, that's what football is,
(19:17):
the basics. It's it's about blocking and tackling. That's what
it's about at the end of the day. And I
remember Belichick said that, you know, in the defensive meter
room and every every training count, you know, it's about
blocking and tackling.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
You know, we can draw up any play we want
to draw up.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
We can have the greatest minds over here on it
as a defensive coordinator office coordinator. But if you but
if we drop a blitz and you can't tackle it,
you know, you let the quarterback run free.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
He scrambles and throws a you know, forty yards.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
It doesn't matter if we drop a play for Curtis
Martin and all and left tackle or the tight end
doesn't block their guy, he's going to get hit in
the backfield. So those the simple things or what turns
you into a media over team to a great team.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, it's like doing the little things. You can't accomplish
the big things if you don't finish off the little things.
You know, watching Brady Cook come out there and play
the way that he played, you know, he wasn't drafted,
played at Missouri, had had great numbers there at forty
nine touchdowns fifteen interceptions. I was excited for him. I
(20:26):
thought he played very well, getting thrown in there the
way that he did, and you know, I think he
understands the game. He took advantage of that moment. And
I'd like to see, you know, the final four games
of the year, turn them over to him. Find out
what you have because you're unsure about justin fields Tyrod Taylor.
(20:48):
Everybody knows he's a great leader, but he's coming to
the end. He's already played sixteen years. You got to
find that quarterback of the future.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Yeah, I think he can be.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
I think you know what he's got to do is
he's got to win the locker room. I mean, forget
about the media. Just forget about the media. Forget about
everybody else. Go to your teammates, your brothers, and just say, hey, man,
I'm gonna get I'm gonna do it for you. I'm
gonna get better for you. I promise you. I'm gonna
get better every game. You know, my mistakes are gonna
(21:22):
are gonna shrink, and I'm gonna be the guy in
the future. And if he says that with conviction, I
could tell you defensive player is gonna play for him.
I'm speaking from a defensive player standpoint. When I hear
my quarterback, I don't care how bad of a game
he had. If he steps up and says the right
things about, hey, this is what I'm gonna do, I'm
(21:43):
gonna play for him.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
That's a great suggestion, and you kind of hope that
that happens for a young player. I know when I
came in the league in seventy nine, if you were
a rookie, you didn't say anything. You were just happy
to be in the locker room.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Yeah, So I mean I feel I feel good about him.
I feel good about you know that coming into this offseason.
But right now, these guys are putting putting their resume
on tape, and you know, they need to be held
accountable for what you do and what you with the
tape you put you put out there. I remember we
were one in one in fifteen that year. Remember we
(22:22):
were about we were one and twelve going into the
last few games, and everybody knew the coaches were going
to get fired. We knew co type and the whole
team was, the whole staff was going to get fired.
And I remember one of the veterans in a line
of young saying, hey, guys, you're putting your resume on
film right now.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
You know you're putting your resume on.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Film, So so you better play hard, you better, you
better have a lot of effort, you know, show show
the next incoming coaches what you can do. And so
I think that Aaron Glenn and his team, he's evaluating
players right now. He's evaluating players, you know, on what
they're doing in adverse situation rations.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
I have a question to asked, right, Obviously I have
a lot of questions asked. But I think played eight
years for the Jets, ten years over all the league, correct.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Yeah, eleven years overall, but yeah, I was on IR.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, Okay, had eleven interceptions in your career. The Jets
have zero this year. What what is that? As a cornerback,
as as someone who played depth position, what do you
think it is? It's so weird, right.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
So I just literally came from a game last night
where the defense had like four interceptions, like they were
interceptions off the back of guys and tips.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
You know.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
So yeah, it's kind of mind boggling.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Game ended on an interception.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Yeah, yeah, off of tipped interception.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
So you know, it wasn't like it was a clean
break cut, you know, it was just so yeah, it's
kind of it's kind of mind boggled. How come they
don't have any any turnovers or interceptions? That is at
this point, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
I couldn't. I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
You know, they just got to get on the drugs
machine and hopefully they're still doing that, working on their
dead ship. I should have did more of that myself, though,
be honest with you. I had eleven and this side
I should have had. I should have had a lot.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
All right, Well, Ray, we do this segment from fans,
questions from fans? Have you join with us?
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
All right? Are you ready? All right, Marty did the
little drum roll. Time for questions, Thank you? All right.
This one comes from Isabelle from Jersey. This is kind
of fun. You know, I'm going to end with that
one because this one, that one's more fun, all right. Uh,
this comes from Joe from New York. Who was the
best trash talker on your team?
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Oh? On my team?
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yep, your team? And then Marty you after, who was
the best trash talker on your team?
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Man?
Speaker 4 (24:46):
It was a tie. It's a tie.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
It's a toss up between Brian Cox on defense. He
was crazy and then Keishawn Johnson on offense.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
He was a if.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
He was trash talk everybody, even trash talk his own
teammates all the time. He was just somebody that you
had to laugh, man, You smile to be around, and
and you felt honored when he starts talking mess about you.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
But yeah, Brian Cox, he's.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Another guy man that he's he's just a warrior man.
He sticks up for everybody out there on the field,
and he's sticking for me on many occasions if somebody
pushed me late or something like that. And you just
appreciate guys like that. But yeah, he talked his butt off.
He can talk with the best of them.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
I can't see what he said.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I'm with you on that. I think the biggest trash
talker was Tom Newton. He's a special team player, and
he would talk trash every single play, even yell at
Don Shure when we were playing the Dolphins. He didn't care.
And sometimes you would just laugh and say, where in
the world did you come up with that one? But
(26:02):
he was he was a good guy to have around.
He was good in the locker room. But yeah, he
started talking trash from the time that he got on
the field until probably time he went to bed.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
He never stopped. All right, all right, this one comes
from Pat from Long Island. I know, Marty, you answered
this one before, but I kind of forgot the answer.
But welcome to the NFL moment.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Welcome to the NFL. There go.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I think it was my rookie season. I was we
were playing the Cleveland Browns. I was playing defensive end
and I lined up and Ozzie Knewsom, who was a
friend of mine still good friend at the University of Alabama.
And you know, Ozzie had that little you know, he'd
get down in the three point stance. The ass was
so close to the ground you knew he wasn't going
(26:52):
to block you. And about the time, right before they
snapped the ball, he looked up at me and he goes, hey, homie,
how you doing. And just as I answered, the ball
was snapped and he reached blocked me and they ran
for another fifteen yards. I go, man, welcome to the NFL.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
I think for me it was my rookie year. Actually
it was the first game of the year. I ended
up starting the first game of the year. I started
as a rookie, my first game, and I remember going
against John Elway, a guy used to play video games with.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Now I'm going up against him now.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
And Ed McCaffrey was the receiver that I was assigned to.
Aaron Glenn was assigned to Miller. I forgot his first name.
He was the number one receiver. Ed McCaffrey was the
number two receiver. People knew Ed caffrey. He was that tall,
lanky guy that a lawyer to sleep with. His great
route running Loya to sleep Man, sneaky fast and the
(27:56):
first I think one of the first passes of the game,
he ran a fifteen yard comeback and I broke it up, man,
and I was so pumped up, like I've been longing
the NFL. Yeah, baby, and everybody's hit me on the head.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
You know.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
It was a third and long and I broke it up.
And then later on in that game, I never forget.
I think it was the end of the second quarter.
He ran that same route and then double moved and
took it up. I was like, uh oh oh man,
it was a touchdown. Crowding crazy, and I couldn't believe.
I was just like, man, I got before touchdown. I
only got be from one touchdown in five years in college,
(28:29):
and and so that getting before touchdown was really crushing.
I go over to the sideline and take off my
helmet and guys would hit me on the head.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Don't worry about the rook man walking to the NFL, man,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
And I was just like, yeah, I guess you're gonna
get beats sometimes out here.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
All the emotions of that you're all hyped up. Then
never mind, all right. My last question, this is what
I'm going to say, is from Isabelle from New Jersey.
This is actually really fun. One yes, which teammate would
make the best Santa Loss. Well, I think you, Marty
would be on. You can say yourself. I did.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I did play Santa Claus for a lot of years
for a United Way and got on a helicopter and
the delivery gifts. So I enjoyed that. We also had been
Rudolph he played Santa Claus. He didn't. He wasn't a
good Santa Claus in the kids kind of ran him
out of the out of the room. But you know,
(29:30):
that's that's a good question. I think that, Uh, you
can claim it. You got to play the role.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah, you can claim it. What about for you? Ray
for me?
Speaker 5 (29:41):
I think that simple. I hope he's not listening because
he'll he'll be mad at me. But uh, number thirty
three full back back when I played, his name was
Gerald Sowell. It was kind of built like Santa Mega.
He uh and uh he actually back then he was
in his twenties and he already started having gray So
(30:02):
so now if you see him now, he has all
gray hair everything, and he still has the same shape.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
And he has a soft voice.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Though to be as big as he is, he has
a very very soft voice.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
He's almost got that Tyson voice.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Yeah, I'm like, yeah, he could be Saint Nick.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Are we sure he's not Saint Nick? I mean.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
No, he's not.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
He's tight with his money.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Oh all right right, it was so much fun having
you on the podcast with us today.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Yeah, thanks for having me, guys. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yeah, we appreciate it. Ray, I just got one last story.
I was getting in the elevator going upstairs and visited
some sweets in the first quarter. You know, they had
all those credentials they gave us, and one of the
guys in the elevator looks over at me, and he's
looking at my credential. He goes, excuse me, did you
have a son that played for the Jets? Oh? You know,
(30:57):
almost wanted to backhand the bus.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Yeah. Man, we're getting up there in age.
Speaker 5 (31:04):
And and like I, like I said at the very beginning,
you know, the love only grows stronger every year.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
It grows stronger for the Jets. For me personally, going
back means a lot.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
You know, this legends weekend, I missed my daughter's soccer
tournament in Kansas City, and I was just like, no,
I got it. I had to go I had to
come back. You never know when you're gonna see these
guys again.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
So yeah, and you got and you got a sweet jersey.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
Oh man, that jersey is off the chain. I mean yeah,
it's off the chain. I'm a frame it actually put
it up in my game room.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
That's the best uniform they were talking earlier, right, that's
that's they did a great job.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
Yeah, Gus and them, they Gus that whole equipment. Man,
they do they do a great job.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Man.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
It was good to see Gus too.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Oh Who's is there anybody still there that when you play?
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, I thought a lot of them, right, not a lot,
but yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
Just uh GUS equipment manager Brian Mulligan. Mully Mulley was
there when I played.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
That's funny. Yeah he was young, young, young. He looked
like he was like a little boy back then. And
so Mully was there. And who else? There was somebody
else that was there when I was there? Oh yeah,
the security is it? Bobby?
Speaker 5 (32:27):
Yeah yeah, Bob. Bobby was there with Steve Yarnell. I
remember that. I'll never forget that.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
And uh a quick story, Yeah, I saw Bobby Man.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
I was at the super Bowl Phoenix doing something in
Phoenix the Super Bowl. I go to Mastro Steakhouse and
I see Bobby in there and I and I literally
said Bobby. He was like, right, Nickers, what's up?
Speaker 4 (32:47):
I said, where's Woody? He has to be doing there somewhere.
He wouldn't be in no, no Mastro steakhouse by himself.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Right. He started laughing.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
He starts, yeah, that was Bud.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Oh, that's awesome. Okay, good luck to r J. Yeah,
looks like you're gonna go a long way watching him.
That's awesome.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Man.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
You know, they they won a big game last night.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
That was a huge win against the Eagles, which was
a great team.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
I don't know how they won that game. It was.
It was kind of a bizarre game last night.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
But the Chargers that that now, that quarterback that the.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Chargers has, he's a tough clicker. He's tough.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
I mean, he's broken hand right.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
Broken hand, broken offensive line right now. I mean, and
he he finds a way to get it done.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
That's a guy.
Speaker 5 (33:39):
Like I said, you know, those guys can really rally
around him, and and they've been they've been doing that.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
So they got a good team.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah, you could tell by all the interviews at the
end of the game. All the defensive players, yes, they interviewed,
talked about his toughness. I mean he got sacked what
seven times last night?
Speaker 5 (33:58):
Yeah, see again he goes about to that a quarterback
that you can play for.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Like, defensive players see what.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
He do, what he does, and it just gives him
energy to go out there and get another stop.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
Get him the ball back. We got to get him
the ball back.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Man.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
This dude is pouring it out there for us, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
And it's just like Buffalo, you know, when they're down,
just get Josh Allen on the ball. It doesn't matter
about the time he's going to move it down the field.
He's going to get what you need, whether it's three
or he needs to get a touchdown. There there is
that belief and I think, you know, Ray, you hit
the nail on the head. That's what the Jets have
to do. They have to find that quarterback that the
(34:39):
whole organization and more importantly, the locker room believes it.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Well, that's what we're asking for Christmas this year. All right,
so much fun having you on right. Appreciate you you,
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Thanks great
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