February 19, 2025 • 35 mins
Host Eric Allen is joined in the Audio Performance Studio by former Jet Leger Douzable to discuss what is ahead for the Green & White in 2025. Douzable previews the 2025 NFL Draft and explains why Ole Miss QB Jaxson Dart and other top QB prospects could be the right pick for the Jets with the No. 7 overall pick.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome into the Official Jets Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
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Speaker 4 (00:24):
Dude's what's going on?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Man? You're one of the busiest people in this industry.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, you know how it is. You know, what's the
season in? Everybody thinks there's kind of like a dead
period for football, but there really isn't because you go
into free agency and then you get ready for the
draft and then combines next week. So really the only
dead period is kind of after OTAs for maybe like
those six weeks. But other than that, you know, football
never sleeps.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
One of the most pressing questions for this new regime
right now head coach Aaron Glant and GM Darren Mugi,
I think.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
First and foremost obvious one is what are they going
to do with the quarterback position? The Jets have already
come out and it seems like Aaron Rodgers won't be
part of the future plans for the New York Jets,
so they have to figure it out. I know me
and you have talked to nauseum about who I like
to be a bridge quarterback. I think that's Tyrod Taylor.
His teammates love him, consummate pro and when you look
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at the history of him, more specifically when he's been
a bridge guy, it's really worked out for the young
guy that the Jets or any other team is drafted.
You go back to when he was with the Browns,
Baker Mayfield was drafted one overall. He was a consummate
pro for him, showed him the rope, show him how
to be a pro. Then you go to the Chargers
where he was, you know, slotted in as a starter
and Justin Herbert was taking in the first round and
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both of those scenarios have worked out for those young quarterbacks. So,
say the Jets are to take a quarterback in the
draft some part in the draft, I think having Tyrod
Taylor there to be the consonment pro to be the
bridge quarterback works. I go back to the cross practice
with the Commanders last year. You know, was Inklin whether
Aaron Rodgers didn't practice, but the rapport that Tyrod had
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with Garrett Wilson was out of this world, right, So
I think that says a lot into And then also
the Miami not the Miami of the Giants cross practice
as well, like they rapport during that cross practice. And
then when he played in garbage time versus the Buffalo Bills, right,
he was able to find Garrett Wilson in the red
zone for a touchdown. So I think that's somebody that
Garrett Wilson would like as well too.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Three drives last year for Tyrod Taller and it all
resulted in touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Can't beat that.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Hey, we didn't talk to you last week, but your
reactions on the Jets go in public with it that
they are indeed party ways with Aaron Rodgerson.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, I think anytime you were starting a new with
a new regime regime, sometimes you just want to rip
the band aid off and start a new right, Darren Mouji,
the new GM, Aaron Glenn and the new head coach,
they get to kind of pick which direction they want
to go with this team, and more specifically the quarterback
position and not have a haulover from the last regime,
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and I understand it, like sometimes you just want to
start a new right, Aaron, Glenn's trying to start a
new culture here and sometimes you have to change out
pieces to start or bring in your culture right when
you're trying to build a culture in the locker room.
So wasn't surprised. I know me and you have talked
about the EA. I felt like it was heading in
that direction. All the best to Aaron Rodgers. Appreciate him
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wearing the green and white. I just think with a
new regime, they wanted to start a new and go
in the direction that they want to go in. In
regards to picking a new quarterback for this team, yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
You have brace being a jet.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
They had the terrible misfortune of what happened at the
Buffalo building. Bust Is asked to get back on the field,
gave it everything he had over the course of those
seventeen games.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Now, when you look at the.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Roster you mentioned Tyrod Tayler, you also have Jordan Travis,
who suffered that devastating ankle injury at Florida State, was
on a file list all season. You got Adrian Martinez
here as well, looking forward to twenty twenty five, do
you think this regime ultimately gets somebody in freeing seat
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and drafts a player.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
How do you view it at this time?
Speaker 1 (04:15):
That's a pot maybe in a possible question to answer
because we're only a couple of days away from the combine.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Like you mentioned, correct, I do believe they will draft somebody,
whether that's the second round, maybe even the first round.
I mean, Jackson Dart is a guy I know that
you know, I love a lot, and there's been some
buzz and a lot of teams potentially might like him
as QB too. So is that, you know, too heavy
at the number seven pick? And that's going to be
up to Aaron Glenn and Deir Moojie and their staff
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and all the work they they've done behind the scenes
to make that decision to make the right decision in
regards to potentially taking a quarterback in the first or
second round. Justin Fields is another guy that makes a
lot of sense. I think still only twenty five years old,
so he's younger and a lot of these quarterbacks coming
out in college right now going into the NFL. So
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you talk about a guy that has experienced a guy
that was four and two with the Pittsburgh Steelers last year.
Maybe this is an intriguing spot for him because he
has opportunity to potentially, you know, compete for the starting
role with the New York Jets. He'll be a free
agent as well, So I do see the Jets for
sure drafting a guy, whether that's round one, Round two,
or round three. But I could also see them bringing
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in another veteran because Tyrod is only on I mean,
he's signed a two year deal, so he's only got
essentially a one year deal when it comes to playing
for the Jets next year, So they could potentially bring
in another veteran as well.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
So safe to say we're not going to see a
repeat here in the quarterback class in twenty five right
where you had six picks No. Twelve being signal callers.
And how about the Denver Broncos. Their assistant GM at
the time, Darren Mugi. If you told us last February
that the Broncos were gonna take Bowe next, I probably
wouldn't believe you.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah, I don't think you're alone in that sentiment. I
wouldn't have believed you either. Now, if there was one
team that I felt like the marriage worked perfectly for
Bownicks is with Sean Payton, and essentially that's who took
him right. Has a Drew Brees type skill set when
he was at Oregon, very high completion percentage, not really
throwing the ball down the field, dunking and dunking, Matriculating
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the ball down the field uses athletic ability, and that's
what Sean Payton did when he was with the Denver Broncos.
He made life easy for bow Knicks when you go
and turn on the tape like he had answers for
the young quarterbacks so the quarterback didn't have to think
as much. Now, you would think going into this year
he would grow a little bit. But to your point earlier,
there will not be six quarterbacks taking in the first round.
I honestly don't even think there'll be six quarterbacks taking
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in the first two, maybe even first three rounds this year.
It's not a strong quarterback draft class. There are some
guys that have high upside and high potential, but guys
like that usually go in the fourth fifth round.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Give me some high upside guys and we'll be talking
about him in the weeks and once ahead.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah, Jackson Darter guy we talked about earlier. To me,
when you talk about you hear the cliche in locker
rooms like I want a foxhold guy. A guy can
go into the foxhole with that epandomizes what Jackson Dart is.
He's a guy that's not gonna be scared to stare
down the rush and deliver an accurate pass. I mean
we saw it multiple times. You go back and you
go to that Georgia game. The first three plays he
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got wrecked. Hea. I was like, there's no way this
kid's getting up. He not only got back up, but
he led them to a win versus Georgia, who was
I believe the number one or number two team at
the time when they played them. So, when you talk
about a guy that is going to be ultra competitive,
that is tough as nails, Jackson Dart has that. He
has a good enough arm, and a lot of people
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question his arms strength. You see it on tape. He
has a good enough arm. The biggest thing for him
is throwing with anticipation and processing quicker, which with young
guys that tends to be an issue. Right, So you
would hope coaching helps that as well as far as
trusting it enough to let the ball go and throwing
with anticipation and also going through your rushing a lot
quicker because in the NFL you got to be able
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to go to one, two, three and let the ball
go right, and he struggles with that at times. But
again I think with coaching he can really help that
can really help his area too. I mean, the most
gifted thrower, without a doubt is Kim Moore. I mean,
this guy has arrogant arm talent, literally like arrogant, and
sometimes it's too his detriment because he really feels like
he can make any throw on the field. And a
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lot of people will have some comparisons to Patrick Mahomes,
especially when he was coming out of Texas Tech, because
that's how Mahomes was like there was there wasn't a
throw he didn't like on the field, and cam Moore
can be like that. But also like that, even though
he has arrogant arm talent, he's cool, calm and collective
and he has like a I want to say, like
a laser focus when he's on the field, Like he's
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all about business when he's on the field, and if
he feels like he has the ball and the game
is within grasp, He's gonna win it for you. That's
the mentality that he has. Sir Derrick Sanders is probably
to me the most pro ready prospect. Talking about a
guy that can process the best out of everybody, a
guy that has been in an NFL offense, a guy
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that plays one within the pocket better than anybody probably
in this draft class. I know this question marks about
his arm talent and then athletic ability, but I was
talking about this earlier today. To me, he showed enough
escapability where you're comfortable drafting him high in the first round,
like he'll be able to get out of some trouble
if he needs to. And let's not forget like his
first year in Colorado, his officer line didn't block it all.
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Like he was under durest the entire year. So I
know people were saying, well, I'm worried about how he'll
play if he isn't protected. Well, he wasn't protected well
in Colorado, so I mean, like that's what he's known
his whole career, So he's got to be fine. A
name that people aren't talking about enough Coma Cord from Syracuse,
a guy that essentially was thrown on the scrap pile
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by Ohio State, helped Sarah Huse to ten wins. I
don't think people understand how pivotal that is because, let's
not forget they had a new head coach because the
other the coach wasn't winning right. Bred Brown came in
there and revamped that whole system and also instilled confidence
in cal McCord. And if you go to that final
game last year versus Miami and cam Ward, who's probably
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gonna be the number one pick overall, you wouldn't be
able to tell who's the best quarterback in the nation.
That's how well cal McCord played in that game. So
to me, I talked about three other guys. He's a
dark horse in this class because he could potentially even
work his way up throughout the process to be a
second round pick. Man, I love this.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I can't wait to speak more about the quarterbacks with
you as time progresses. How about the most pressing needs
for the Jets here in the twenty twenty five off season.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, without a doubt, we talked about quarterback. I mean,
without a signal Carter, it's hard to win in this league.
But some more pressing needs for sure the safety position.
The Jets could potentially need to safeties. I believe both
of their starting safeties last year or free agency year
actually their top three because Ashton Davis only signed a
one year deal as well. So you're talking about, Yeah,
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you talk about your top three safeties being free agents.
So that's going to be a position to need. I
would not be surprised if that that's not only drafted
the safety, but maybe trying to find one in free
agency as a front line starter and bring in two
guys because that's a position of need for sure. Defensive tackle.
You know me, Ea, I've spoken nauseum about this for
the last few years. We need to draft somebody to
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grow with Quinn Williams. I know, ea, how many times
have you heard me say that we need to draft
somebody to grow with Quinn Williams And this is the
year to do it. Ea. Just going through the tape,
this is probably the deepest defensive tackle group ever like
that I've ever studied. Ever. Like there's literally probably maybe
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fifteen guys that could be considered the top fifty picks,
which is something which is saying something right Like, I'm
not a mathematician, right but I would say that's what
like twenty five cent of the of the top fifty
picks could be defensive tackles. That's how deep this group is, right,
So that could be a pressing need at seven. I
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just think, you know, liter Taylor does factor into that decision.
I think he needs to be a part of the future.
But they definitely need to pair somebody with Quinn Williams
that can grow with him as well. I said, safety,
defensive tackle, tight end, right, love conk he's a free agent.
We don't know what right correct, So right now you
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have Rutger, who you know I have affinity for, but
they can get a little bit more dynamic at the
tight end position. And then also we don't know what's
going to happen at right tackle with Morgan Moses. You
need a guy that's going to be able to help
you in the run game blocking as well. Now, Jeremy
Rutger can do that as well, but I think there's
a guy like Tyler Warren that makes a lot of sense. Now,
last year I wasn't as high taking a brock Bowers
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that high. I might have been stupid and saying that
after what he did is rookie here. But Tyler Warren
is a slower George Kittle. And that's not to say
any disrespectful thing to Tyler Warren. That's me praising him
because he will rip your face off in the run
game blocking. But he's so dynamic with the ball in
his hand and not just catching it like they handed
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the ball to him. He stopped the ball at center
and ran a route last year for Penn State. Like
he can do so many things. So right now, those
would be my top three outside of quarterback when you
talk about d tackle, tied in and safety. But we
can't forget receiver because we potentially are going to lose
two guys and you know, Alan Lazard and also Devonte
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Adams depending on what their contracts look like. I don't
see the Jets, you know, with that cat number Davonte
has staying on the roster, and then also Alan Lazard
doesn't have any more guaranteed money on his contract. I
could see the Jets potentially moving on. So we need
a receiver too as well. So Tedoroe McMillan at seven
makes a lot of Central Arizona as well.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
All right, So getting back to seven and defensive tackle,
let me throw the hot name out.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
At you from Michigan Mas.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
You just said this defensive tackle class is the best
that you've ever seen. So how much do you take
that into account when you're sitting up there at sea.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
And that's the thing, right, do you believe Mason Graham
is truly transcendent? Because if that's the case, you have
to take him. It doesn't matter what the rest of
the class looks like. Right now. People will question about
his arm length. He doesn't have the biggest arms, but
I kind of liking it to a lot to coming
out last year from UCLA, he was the most pro
ready defensive lineman. That's what Mason Graham is as far
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as understanding leverage, understanding how the offensive line is trying
to block you, how to defeat blocks, not only in
the run game, in the past game. That's what Mason
Graham gives you. Now to your point, Ea, this is
a deep defensive tackle class and there's gonna be starters
probably all the way up into the thirty four route
that could start from day one. So maybe you do
take that in consideration. If you have you know, a
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tetor Rolle McMillan there, or you need Tyler Warren at
tight end. Right, maybe the offensive tackle because if Morgan
Mosses doesn't resign, maybe a Calvin Banks is there. Maybe
consider him. The only thing is with Olu Fashionu solidifying
himself as left tackle, Calvin Banks only played left tackles.
I worry about him going over to the right side.
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Fashion New did it last year, but he was a
totally different player from right tackle to left tackle. I
think we all saw that on tape, like he was
bred to be a left tackle. I think Calvin Banks
kind of fits that mold as well. So it'll be
interesting to see what the Jets do. So again, if
you believe that Mason Graham is truly transcendent, then you
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take him there. But if not, because this is a
deep defensive tackle group, maybe you take a receiver or
a tight end to help you on the offensive side.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
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Speaker 1 (16:06):
Do you get a feel for what the Jets are
gonna be defensively? I know, Aaron Glad it is not
gonna speak until next week probably Indianapolis, and he just
finished his coaching staff, so we got to give him
time to greet. But just looking at his history as
a play caller, maybe in Detroit, and then looking at
Steve Wilks's career as a coordinator is a play caller,
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and then matching it up with the Jets personality, you
get a sense of what they're going to try to
do on that side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Pressure, pressure, pressure, Like him and Aaron Glenn were one
of the most higher rated pressure guys as defensive colonators
in the league when Wilkes was calling the defense in Arizona,
when he was calling the defense in Carolina, like, that's
what he was synonymous with, bringing pressure. Aaron Glenn, I mean,
you know that Detroit Lions are playing man and blitzing,
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how Like that's what they do, right, So it'll be
interesting to see that marriage of those two guys because
Steve Wooks has played in a three four, four to
three hybrid, but he's also been a traditional four to
three when he's with the San Francisco forty nine ers
as well, So it'll be interesting to see. Because Aaron
Glenn said he's gonna let Steve Wooks call the defense.
But how much input of what Aaron Glenn wants the
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defense to look like will he have? You know when
it comes to Steve Wilks and them building up that defense.
So that'll be the thing. But one thing I know
about both of those coaches, they are going to bring pressure.
They're going to want to speed up the clock for
the quarterback. So it'll be interesting, right because the Jets
for the last couple of years under Robert sla and
Jeff obrig have been a predominantly four down front. We're
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gonna let our defensive line get after you right now.
Albrook switched the things up and started adding more pressure
towards the end of the backyard last year, but traditionally,
right this is a team that is a built off
its four man rush. So it'll be interesting to see
that marriage between the current players we have who we add,
and then also Steve Well and also Aaron Glenn and
their marriage and how they want this defense to look like.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Speaking of names that have expiring contracts, you mentioned Conklin
and Moses, Let's keep it a defensive.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Side of the ball.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Your thoughts in Jamie Sherwood the team on me from
last year with an expiring contract. Contract in DJ Reid
as well, because you spoke rightfully so about the need
of the safety position. DJ Reid set to hit the
market possibly the quantest figures here JBC and a couple
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other young guys.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
And another name that we haven't brought up, Brandon Nichols.
He's going to be free agent too, and he's been
our third corner for the last three years and he's
been productive every time he's been in the start lineup.
I don't think enough of get Nation is talking about
him being a fre agent because obviously DJ's the big name,
and rightfully so, he played at a pro Bowl level
last year and he's going to probably be the top
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corner in fregency. Sometimes he as it's just best to
hit the market at the right time, right if you're
DJ reed now it sucks for us, right because I
would love to have him back, and I think he
would love to play for Aaron Glenn because they kind
of mold each other and how they play like they
were both undersized corners who a lot of people didn't
have a lot of faith in. Even though Aaron Glenn
did go in the first round. DJ Reid I believe
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went fourth or fifth round. But the fightiness that they
both played with the tennasty right, they both had really
good rundown speed as far as recovery speed. DJ Reid
used to be a pro returner, a g return kicks right,
So like I know that DJ Reed. You know a
lot of people at the end the season were like,
no way he's coming back. But I think when they
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were on Glenn got the job, it kind of lent
itself to DJ Reed thinking like, you know what, I
would love to play for him.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Now.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Obviously, as a player, you want to maximize your years,
you want to get the most money possible. So DJ's
probably gonna be the top corner on the board. But
Brendon Eckles is a guy I think the Jets really
take a hard look at bringing back because anytime he
was thrust in the action, he was productive. Like one
thing he does is take the football away, like the
ball gravitates too. And I know we're talking about Aston
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Davis earlier, but sam could be said for Brandon Eckles,
Like anytime he's in the game, the ball gravitates to him.
So like Corny on the low is an under underlying
need like that kind of major underlying need because I
love Stickers played some spot duty here and there last year.
Are you comfortable enough going into the season saying he's
your court CB two off the rip? You still have
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Michael Carter there. I think Brandon Nichols makes a lot
of sense bringing him back the Jamien Sherwin one. People
aren't talking about enough. He's gonna have a major market.
He led the NFL in solo tackles with ninety eight
and I told you all last year, da I was
like the speed that he plays with, right, you can
see the transition from safety to linebacker by the way
he plays. And the crazy thing is he was kind
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of learning on the job here because his first couple
of years he's more of a you know, a special
teams Maven backed up CJ and Quincy who missed any time, right,
So he didn't play that much. And teams come out
predominantly in eleven personnel, which is won back, one tight end,
three receivers, So we were in Nickel a lot, right,
So he didn't play a lot his first three years,
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and then CJ gets banged up this year, and boy
did he take off, and I knew he would take off.
Talking to Robert Soler, he was like, he's one of
the smartest kids he's ever been around. Right, uh, but
he's had this like his second year playing for the Jets,
Jamien sure was gonna have a nice market. I think
Theyets gotta do whatever it takes because he's only twenty
five years old. Like guys that are that young that
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can be building blocks for you, you don't let him out
the door. So but he's earned every right to test
the market and see what he's gonna get. But again,
that's a guy you don't want to let let leave
and walk out the door.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
He's an other unique dude because he brought it physically
when he got his opportunity unfortunately when CJ. Mosley went
down last season. But he just has it to in
turn some of his approach every day. The guy can
know off the field he's gonna be doing the right
things and he playing play out. You don't got to
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worry about what he's gonna be doing because he's doing
it full steam ahead sideline the sideline guys all over
the place.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
For sure, exactly. I think that's what separates him, Like
the speed at which he played, he plays with and
the way you're able to play at that speed is
because you're doing the work throughout the week, the film
study right, understanding concepts, understanding blocking schemes. You're able to
play that fast and have ninety eight solo tackles because
you've put the work in throughout the week to know
what the team is gonna run. And once you see something,
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you're not gun shy, you hit it downhill. So again,
I think teams are gonna look at him saying he's
got his best football ahead of him because this was
his first year as a starter, and you saw what
he did. He played at a Pro Bowl type level.
So like again, he's gonna have a nice size market.
But if I'm the Jets, there's no way I let
him out the door.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Is I gotta get your thoughts on Jermaine Johnson taking
his social media of late saying to be honest, y'all,
let's stop all the hate and.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
Buy in even as fans.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
It doesn't help anyone being surrounded with negativity.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
I've been here three going on four seasons now and
I want to change two. But you have to take
what you want and make stuff put that parentheses happen.
I just asked as fans to just buy in and
surround the team with positivity and blind faith, because that's
what I'm doing. I know the negativity is coming from
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a place and passion for the team.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
I get it. I'll do all I can on and
off this field to turn things around.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
I know it's the New York media at all, and
it's supposed to be tough, but let's just buy in
and say epic.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
It's a new year with the new front office and coaches.
Let's go. Why not can't hurt? Right? Negativity can though,
just the thought.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
That's why I love that guy. That's why I was
the table to draft him when we did three years ago.
True leader on the field, and I think the Jets
sorely missed his energy and his leadership last year, more
specifically on the defensive side. But he's right. I mean, ea,
I can't tell you how many times I was on
X Twitter, whatever you want to call it, and a
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lot of the fans were just upset with the Rodgers
because it was obviously was It felt like it was
a split decision when it came to the fan base.
When it came to Aaron Rodgers, right, But I'm with
your Maine, Like again, this is a new regime. They
want to do things their way. Sometimes you got to
start a new rip the band aid off, like you said,
the unfortunate what happened to Aaron Rodgers after only four
plays with the Buffalo Bills, played obviously through some injuries
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last year and got it, you know, started playing some
really good football towards the end of last year. But
at the end of the day, it's a production business.
And when you win five games, a lot of times
when a new regime comes in, they want to start
a new So why not just get behind the t
tea at least give it an opportunity for Aaron Gland,
for Darren Mouji to have a set plan and execute
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it before you're already willing to, you know, sell the ships.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Right.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
So I'm with Jermaine one hundred percent, Like again, I
get it right, I've lived it with you guys. Like
the last time we had a winning season was when
I was there in twenty fifteen. So trust me, I'm
in it with you guys, and I believe in what
Jermaine is saying. Like, let's just lock into this season
because I mean we've seen it time and time again.
(25:34):
A lot of people thought the Buffalo Bills were going
to be in a rebuild last year. They go to
the AFC Championship game. Right, they changed coaches for the Chargers,
hall Ball comes in, nobody knew who their offensive weapons
were going to be. They go to the playoffs. Right,
You just never know, right. The Denver Broncos another perfect example.
Right after losing Russell Wilson, not having any cap money
(25:55):
because of Russell Wilson's deal, they draft the quarterback in
the first round and they go to the playoffs. So
just let things play out, right, and then we'll decide
after that. But again, no need for the negativity this
early in the process because the plan hasn't even been
laid out. Like you said, Aaron Glenn literally just created
his staff, which again I thought he had a home
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run on a lot of those pickups. Then getting Steve Wilkes,
a guy that has head coaching experience, especially for a
first year head coach, is going to be big. He
can lean on Steve wils because he's done it not
only at Arizona, but he was the interim coach with
the Carolina Panthers, so that's somebody you can lean on.
I think Chris Banjo was a home run pick, a
guy used to love to see compete when I played
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when he was at the Arizona Cardinals. I thought that
was a home run pick. Tenner Ingstrand a guy that
was the passing game coordinator who was under Ben Johnson
with the Detroit Lions. And I think bringing in Scott Turner,
a guy that's been a coach for fourteen plus years
whose call plays, makes a lot of sense because now
Tanner Ingstran can lean on Scott Turner. Right. So, like
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I thought, Eric Glyn did a massivel job of putting
this staff together, and I think one of the biggest
keeps right because he was on the staff last year
with Sean Jefferson. Obviously, Garrett Wilson loves this guy, and
I haven't heard one player say anything bad about Sean Jefferson.
I've had the privilege to go to many training camp
practices there at one just drive and just the energy
(27:21):
that he coaches with. It's infectious. And I'm glad that
Aaron Glenn, you know, kept him on staff.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
So we'd be remiss if we didn't ask you about
one of Darren Mushi's hires, senior personnel advisor, former Lejay
Dousable colleague Rex Spielman.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
One are the Jets stealing oh Man?
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Well, I told Rick the other day, EA, like, I
can't wait to get the ones. They Jets drive when
you're there and just come in your office and mess
with you, right like my coworker from CBS Lett just
high and dry over here. But I'm not bad because
he's gonna be with my Jets. This is a guy
that was a former GM. He's had so many hits.
Let's not forget. This is the guy that drafted Justin Jefferson.
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Just to put it into perspective for everybody out there,
he's been a really good personnel guy. I always love
our tips when it comes to the draft in regards
to how we see prospects. A lot of times we're
on the same page, but every once in a while
me and Rick are not on the same page. But
he's a guy that is going to be a sounding
board for Darren Mugi and also Eric Glenn who has
a background and being a pro scout as well, so
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he's there to be a sounding board for them. I
thought that was a great hire, especially for a first
time head coach in a first time GM, to have
somebody in the building that's done it at that level
and has had some success at drafting and bringing in
players via free agency in Minnesota. I thought that that
was a no brainer, and he was a guy that
was pivotal in the hiring of Darren Mugi and Eron
(28:46):
Glynn as well.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
What are you most looking forward to as far as the.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Combine when you go there?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:55):
What is your focus? Because so many different things are
happening there during the week.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah, I'm not the biggest guy when it comes to
the on field like forty times and bench and all
that stuff. Now, again for defensive linemen in regards to
I'm trying to see traits when it comes to the
on field like bag drills and stuff like that, because
you can kind of see some traits. But you know
what I like the most ea talking to the players
(29:22):
right because you get a temperament of who they are now. Again,
it's a lot different than the Combine because it's not
like the Senior Bowl where you get to see them
for like two or three days, and how they interact
with their teammates and everything like during the combine, will
probably get like ten minutes with each player, but it's
good just to see like their temperament and how they
care themselves during interviews, how they interact with just the
(29:45):
staff that are out there in Indianapolis, because you know,
this EA is like a long walk way you walk
through to get to where the media is and everything.
And how are you treating the staff that are there
at the convention center right? How are you acting in
the interviews? How do you carry yourself like? These are
all things that I'm looking at for these players because
this is the biggest interview of their life where they
(30:06):
get to talk to all thirty two teams. They're gonna
go through so much medical things when they're there, as
far as so many tests to make sure everything is
copoesthetic with their bodies. But to me, it's their temperament
That's what I'm going to watch the most. And then again,
like the on field things are bigger for me than
the actual forty time I think people just get too
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caught up in the forty time too often. Some of
the agility drills are big too, because those kind of
translate to what you can do athletically, but as far
as running in a straight line, it's like in football,
you're never running in a straight line barely maybe as
a receiver on a go route, but even then you're
setting up the go route to run past somebody. So like, yes,
the forty is quote unquote important, but that's the last
(30:50):
thing I look at. I call it the underwear Olympics, right.
I watched the game film and then also how the
temperament of the player is. That's the biggest thing for me,
especially when they're out there competing in the agility drills.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
And even if you don't test while in the weeks ahead,
you're gonna have your own pro day, so you're gonna
be able to either stand on that score or stand
on that lifting them out, or stand on what you
did in terms of some of those drills, or you
can just repeat that.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
And I know I'm making it, I'm oversimplifying a little bit,
but my thing is it's an opportunity. If you don't
want to take it, you don't have to take it.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
If you're gonna be if.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
You're gonna be select it at the top of the
first round, and that's what you're agent's telling you. But
you got nothing to lose either, because you still can
go to your pro day and take care of business
there as well.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yeah, it's always interesting to see what agents and players
decide to do with the combine because I know you
said you can always like fix what you did in
the combine that pro day, but sometimes if you're athletically
limited in a certain area, you can't fix it. It
is what it is, right, So, like that's why we've
(32:06):
seen more and more lately guys not competing at the COMBA,
Like Marven Harrison Junior decided to do nothing at the combin, Right,
He's like, I'm gonna get ready to play football because
that's what you're gonna pay me to do. We've seen
at times quarterbacks not throw and only throw at their
pro day, and it'll be interesting to see if cam
Wood and shaudor Sanders actually do throw at their combine
(32:27):
or whether they feel more comfortable throwing with guys they've
thrown with all year long at the pro day. Right,
That's always a little gamesmanship when it comes to the
quarterback position as well. Right, will certain defensive linemen that
are probably going in the top ten, will they run? Right?
Will a due a card to do anything, because right
now he's the number one prospect on most people's draft boards.
(32:48):
Him and Travis Hunter, Like, how much will they do?
Will Travis Hunter do receiver and corner drills? That's another
thing to think about, right, if he's going top five,
does he need to go out there and do that
or does he just do it at Pro Day? Right,
So these are the things that we'll be watching throughout
this process of the Combine. And again it seems like
the players have started to shift the power more on
their side and they've done less at the combine as
(33:09):
the years have gone on.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Yeah, ultimately, you're a guy who lives in the film room.
I say, the tape doesn't lie.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
If you were production you know me, it's all about
the tape.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
If you were productive in college and you played against
some of the best players at that level, I think
you're probably gonna be productive in the National Football League.
And if you went to a small school, you just
saw a lot of those guys down in Mobile already
they competed a number of those guys made money for
themselves already by the performances they just put forth there
(33:43):
at the senior pol you know, out there in Pets.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah. Two guys that come to mind. I'm glad you
brought this up. Gray's Abel from North Dakota State, who
played left tackle there. He literally played all five positions
at the Senior Bowl, took snap to center. It looked
like he had done it his whole life, which is crazy.
Some people are now talking about him maybe going in
the back of the first round EA, and I wouldn't
be surprised. He's kind of got that Graham Barton trajectory
(34:08):
from Duke last year. He was a guy that played tackle,
played guard, played right tackle, played center, and now he's
the starting center for the Tampa Bay Bucks. A lot
of people compare him to a former Bison and Cody
Match who's also with the Tampa Big Buccaneers and starting
yet guard, because when he came out at the Senior Bowl,
he was a left tackle and then played all five
positions as well. So he's a guy that was at
(34:31):
a smaller school that showed that the uptick and competition
wasn't gonna deter him or slow him down. Another guy,
Mike Green, who I love. I mean, I've been the
biggest Mike Green fan. I was blessed to call one
of his games this past year. He's a dude. I'm
The biggest question with him everybody was concerned about was wait,
because I think sometime in the Springy waighted like two
thirty five, and I kept telling everybody I interviewed this dude,
(34:54):
he was looking eye to eye with me, there's no
way he's two thirty five. Boy waited in at two
fifty one of the Senior Bowl and ran through Josh
Cornley there who's gonna probably be a first round tackle
from Oregon. And after two days of practice, he did
everything he needed to do and he left mobile. So
he's the guy that people were talking about the back
of the first people were saying top ten now for
my gree and he might be edge guy number two
(35:16):
in this draft class. They don't. They don't, and special
ones like him who work at it, who set up
their moves like chess players. He has a game that's
kind of like a lot too as well. He has
a bevy of pass rush moves. It starts with speed
to power, but after that he will put you in
(35:36):
the blend with a counter club with a chop club
on the edge. He's a guy that has really grown
his game the last two years at Marshall.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Hey man, enjoy your travels coming up, and then I'll
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Speaker 2 (35:49):
Yeah, I can't wait to get to Endy
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Speaker 4 (00:24):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Man? You're one of the busiest people in this industry.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, you know how it is. You know, what's the
season in? Everybody thinks there's kind of like a dead
period for football, but there really isn't because you go
into free agency and then you get ready for the
draft and then combines next week. So really the only
dead period is kind of after OTAs for maybe like
those six weeks. But other than that, you know, football
never sleeps.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
One of the most pressing questions for this new regime
right now head coach Aaron Glant and GM Darren Mugi,
I think.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
First and foremost obvious one is what are they going
to do with the quarterback position? The Jets have already
come out and it seems like Aaron Rodgers won't be
part of the future plans for the New York Jets,
so they have to figure it out. I know me
and you have talked to nauseum about who I like
to be a bridge quarterback. I think that's Tyrod Taylor.
His teammates love him, consummate pro and when you look
(01:20):
at the history of him, more specifically when he's been
a bridge guy, it's really worked out for the young
guy that the Jets or any other team is drafted.
You go back to when he was with the Browns,
Baker Mayfield was drafted one overall. He was a consummate
pro for him, showed him the rope, show him how
to be a pro. Then you go to the Chargers
where he was, you know, slotted in as a starter
and Justin Herbert was taking in the first round and
(01:42):
both of those scenarios have worked out for those young quarterbacks. So,
say the Jets are to take a quarterback in the
draft some part in the draft, I think having Tyrod
Taylor there to be the consonment pro to be the
bridge quarterback works. I go back to the cross practice
with the Commanders last year. You know, was Inklin whether
Aaron Rodgers didn't practice, but the rapport that Tyrod had
(02:05):
with Garrett Wilson was out of this world, right, So
I think that says a lot into And then also
the Miami not the Miami of the Giants cross practice
as well, like they rapport during that cross practice. And
then when he played in garbage time versus the Buffalo Bills, right,
he was able to find Garrett Wilson in the red
zone for a touchdown. So I think that's somebody that
Garrett Wilson would like as well too.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Three drives last year for Tyrod Taller and it all
resulted in touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Can't beat that.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Hey, we didn't talk to you last week, but your
reactions on the Jets go in public with it that
they are indeed party ways with Aaron Rodgerson.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, I think anytime you were starting a new with
a new regime regime, sometimes you just want to rip
the band aid off and start a new right, Darren Mouji,
the new GM, Aaron Glenn and the new head coach,
they get to kind of pick which direction they want
to go with this team, and more specifically the quarterback
position and not have a haulover from the last regime,
(03:03):
and I understand it, like sometimes you just want to
start a new right, Aaron, Glenn's trying to start a
new culture here and sometimes you have to change out
pieces to start or bring in your culture right when
you're trying to build a culture in the locker room.
So wasn't surprised. I know me and you have talked
about the EA. I felt like it was heading in
that direction. All the best to Aaron Rodgers. Appreciate him
(03:27):
wearing the green and white. I just think with a
new regime, they wanted to start a new and go
in the direction that they want to go in. In
regards to picking a new quarterback for this team, yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
You have brace being a jet.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
They had the terrible misfortune of what happened at the
Buffalo building. Bust Is asked to get back on the field,
gave it everything he had over the course of those
seventeen games.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Now, when you look at the.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Roster you mentioned Tyrod Tayler, you also have Jordan Travis,
who suffered that devastating ankle injury at Florida State, was
on a file list all season. You got Adrian Martinez
here as well, looking forward to twenty twenty five, do
you think this regime ultimately gets somebody in freeing seat
(04:11):
and drafts a player.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
How do you view it at this time?
Speaker 1 (04:15):
That's a pot maybe in a possible question to answer
because we're only a couple of days away from the combine.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Like you mentioned, correct, I do believe they will draft somebody,
whether that's the second round, maybe even the first round.
I mean, Jackson Dart is a guy I know that
you know, I love a lot, and there's been some
buzz and a lot of teams potentially might like him
as QB too. So is that, you know, too heavy
at the number seven pick? And that's going to be
up to Aaron Glenn and Deir Moojie and their staff
(04:44):
and all the work they they've done behind the scenes
to make that decision to make the right decision in
regards to potentially taking a quarterback in the first or
second round. Justin Fields is another guy that makes a
lot of sense. I think still only twenty five years old,
so he's younger and a lot of these quarterbacks coming
out in college right now going into the NFL. So
(05:04):
you talk about a guy that has experienced a guy
that was four and two with the Pittsburgh Steelers last year.
Maybe this is an intriguing spot for him because he
has opportunity to potentially, you know, compete for the starting
role with the New York Jets. He'll be a free
agent as well, So I do see the Jets for
sure drafting a guy, whether that's round one, Round two,
or round three. But I could also see them bringing
(05:26):
in another veteran because Tyrod is only on I mean,
he's signed a two year deal, so he's only got
essentially a one year deal when it comes to playing
for the Jets next year, So they could potentially bring
in another veteran as well.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
So safe to say we're not going to see a
repeat here in the quarterback class in twenty five right
where you had six picks No. Twelve being signal callers.
And how about the Denver Broncos. Their assistant GM at
the time, Darren Mugi. If you told us last February
that the Broncos were gonna take Bowe next, I probably
wouldn't believe you.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah, I don't think you're alone in that sentiment. I
wouldn't have believed you either. Now, if there was one
team that I felt like the marriage worked perfectly for
Bownicks is with Sean Payton, and essentially that's who took
him right. Has a Drew Brees type skill set when
he was at Oregon, very high completion percentage, not really
throwing the ball down the field, dunking and dunking, Matriculating
(06:19):
the ball down the field uses athletic ability, and that's
what Sean Payton did when he was with the Denver Broncos.
He made life easy for bow Knicks when you go
and turn on the tape like he had answers for
the young quarterbacks so the quarterback didn't have to think
as much. Now, you would think going into this year
he would grow a little bit. But to your point earlier,
there will not be six quarterbacks taking in the first round.
I honestly don't even think there'll be six quarterbacks taking
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in the first two, maybe even first three rounds this year.
It's not a strong quarterback draft class. There are some
guys that have high upside and high potential, but guys
like that usually go in the fourth fifth round.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Give me some high upside guys and we'll be talking
about him in the weeks and once ahead.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah, Jackson Darter guy we talked about earlier. To me,
when you talk about you hear the cliche in locker
rooms like I want a foxhold guy. A guy can
go into the foxhole with that epandomizes what Jackson Dart is.
He's a guy that's not gonna be scared to stare
down the rush and deliver an accurate pass. I mean
we saw it multiple times. You go back and you
go to that Georgia game. The first three plays he
(07:20):
got wrecked. Hea. I was like, there's no way this
kid's getting up. He not only got back up, but
he led them to a win versus Georgia, who was
I believe the number one or number two team at
the time when they played them. So, when you talk
about a guy that is going to be ultra competitive,
that is tough as nails, Jackson Dart has that. He
has a good enough arm, and a lot of people
(07:41):
question his arms strength. You see it on tape. He
has a good enough arm. The biggest thing for him
is throwing with anticipation and processing quicker, which with young
guys that tends to be an issue. Right, So you
would hope coaching helps that as well as far as
trusting it enough to let the ball go and throwing
with anticipation and also going through your rushing a lot
quicker because in the NFL you got to be able
(08:02):
to go to one, two, three and let the ball
go right, and he struggles with that at times. But
again I think with coaching he can really help that
can really help his area too. I mean, the most
gifted thrower, without a doubt is Kim Moore. I mean,
this guy has arrogant arm talent, literally like arrogant, and
sometimes it's too his detriment because he really feels like
he can make any throw on the field. And a
(08:24):
lot of people will have some comparisons to Patrick Mahomes,
especially when he was coming out of Texas Tech, because
that's how Mahomes was like there was there wasn't a
throw he didn't like on the field, and cam Moore
can be like that. But also like that, even though
he has arrogant arm talent, he's cool, calm and collective
and he has like a I want to say, like
a laser focus when he's on the field, Like he's
(08:45):
all about business when he's on the field, and if
he feels like he has the ball and the game
is within grasp, He's gonna win it for you. That's
the mentality that he has. Sir Derrick Sanders is probably
to me the most pro ready prospect. Talking about a
guy that can process the best out of everybody, a
guy that has been in an NFL offense, a guy
(09:07):
that plays one within the pocket better than anybody probably
in this draft class. I know this question marks about
his arm talent and then athletic ability, but I was
talking about this earlier today. To me, he showed enough
escapability where you're comfortable drafting him high in the first round,
like he'll be able to get out of some trouble
if he needs to. And let's not forget like his
first year in Colorado, his officer line didn't block it all.
(09:29):
Like he was under durest the entire year. So I
know people were saying, well, I'm worried about how he'll
play if he isn't protected. Well, he wasn't protected well
in Colorado, so I mean, like that's what he's known
his whole career, So he's got to be fine. A
name that people aren't talking about enough Coma Cord from Syracuse,
a guy that essentially was thrown on the scrap pile
(09:51):
by Ohio State, helped Sarah Huse to ten wins. I
don't think people understand how pivotal that is because, let's
not forget they had a new head coach because the
other the coach wasn't winning right. Bred Brown came in
there and revamped that whole system and also instilled confidence
in cal McCord. And if you go to that final
game last year versus Miami and cam Ward, who's probably
(10:13):
gonna be the number one pick overall, you wouldn't be
able to tell who's the best quarterback in the nation.
That's how well cal McCord played in that game. So
to me, I talked about three other guys. He's a
dark horse in this class because he could potentially even
work his way up throughout the process to be a
second round pick. Man, I love this.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I can't wait to speak more about the quarterbacks with
you as time progresses. How about the most pressing needs
for the Jets here in the twenty twenty five off season.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, without a doubt, we talked about quarterback. I mean,
without a signal Carter, it's hard to win in this league.
But some more pressing needs for sure the safety position.
The Jets could potentially need to safeties. I believe both
of their starting safeties last year or free agency year
actually their top three because Ashton Davis only signed a
one year deal as well. So you're talking about, Yeah,
(11:04):
you talk about your top three safeties being free agents.
So that's going to be a position to need. I
would not be surprised if that that's not only drafted
the safety, but maybe trying to find one in free
agency as a front line starter and bring in two
guys because that's a position of need for sure. Defensive tackle.
You know me, Ea, I've spoken nauseum about this for
the last few years. We need to draft somebody to
(11:27):
grow with Quinn Williams. I know, ea, how many times
have you heard me say that we need to draft
somebody to grow with Quinn Williams And this is the
year to do it. Ea. Just going through the tape,
this is probably the deepest defensive tackle group ever like
that I've ever studied. Ever. Like there's literally probably maybe
(11:49):
fifteen guys that could be considered the top fifty picks,
which is something which is saying something right Like, I'm
not a mathematician, right but I would say that's what
like twenty five cent of the of the top fifty
picks could be defensive tackles. That's how deep this group is, right,
So that could be a pressing need at seven. I
(12:10):
just think, you know, liter Taylor does factor into that decision.
I think he needs to be a part of the future.
But they definitely need to pair somebody with Quinn Williams
that can grow with him as well. I said, safety,
defensive tackle, tight end, right, love conk he's a free agent.
We don't know what right correct, So right now you
(12:34):
have Rutger, who you know I have affinity for, but
they can get a little bit more dynamic at the
tight end position. And then also we don't know what's
going to happen at right tackle with Morgan Moses. You
need a guy that's going to be able to help
you in the run game blocking as well. Now, Jeremy
Rutger can do that as well, but I think there's
a guy like Tyler Warren that makes a lot of sense. Now,
last year I wasn't as high taking a brock Bowers
(12:55):
that high. I might have been stupid and saying that
after what he did is rookie here. But Tyler Warren
is a slower George Kittle. And that's not to say
any disrespectful thing to Tyler Warren. That's me praising him
because he will rip your face off in the run
game blocking. But he's so dynamic with the ball in
his hand and not just catching it like they handed
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the ball to him. He stopped the ball at center
and ran a route last year for Penn State. Like
he can do so many things. So right now, those
would be my top three outside of quarterback when you
talk about d tackle, tied in and safety. But we
can't forget receiver because we potentially are going to lose
two guys and you know, Alan Lazard and also Devonte
(13:38):
Adams depending on what their contracts look like. I don't
see the Jets, you know, with that cat number Davonte
has staying on the roster, and then also Alan Lazard
doesn't have any more guaranteed money on his contract. I
could see the Jets potentially moving on. So we need
a receiver too as well. So Tedoroe McMillan at seven
makes a lot of Central Arizona as well.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
All right, So getting back to seven and defensive tackle,
let me throw the hot name out.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
At you from Michigan Mas.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
You just said this defensive tackle class is the best
that you've ever seen. So how much do you take
that into account when you're sitting up there at sea.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
And that's the thing, right, do you believe Mason Graham
is truly transcendent? Because if that's the case, you have
to take him. It doesn't matter what the rest of
the class looks like. Right now. People will question about
his arm length. He doesn't have the biggest arms, but
I kind of liking it to a lot to coming
out last year from UCLA, he was the most pro
ready defensive lineman. That's what Mason Graham is as far
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as understanding leverage, understanding how the offensive line is trying
to block you, how to defeat blocks, not only in
the run game, in the past game. That's what Mason
Graham gives you. Now to your point, Ea, this is
a deep defensive tackle class and there's gonna be starters
probably all the way up into the thirty four route
that could start from day one. So maybe you do
take that in consideration. If you have you know, a
(15:05):
tetor Rolle McMillan there, or you need Tyler Warren at
tight end. Right, maybe the offensive tackle because if Morgan
Mosses doesn't resign, maybe a Calvin Banks is there. Maybe
consider him. The only thing is with Olu Fashionu solidifying
himself as left tackle, Calvin Banks only played left tackles.
I worry about him going over to the right side.
(15:26):
Fashion New did it last year, but he was a
totally different player from right tackle to left tackle. I
think we all saw that on tape, like he was
bred to be a left tackle. I think Calvin Banks
kind of fits that mold as well. So it'll be
interesting to see what the Jets do. So again, if
you believe that Mason Graham is truly transcendent, then you
(15:47):
take him there. But if not, because this is a
deep defensive tackle group, maybe you take a receiver or
a tight end to help you on the offensive side.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
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Speaker 1 (16:06):
Do you get a feel for what the Jets are
gonna be defensively? I know, Aaron Glad it is not
gonna speak until next week probably Indianapolis, and he just
finished his coaching staff, so we got to give him
time to greet. But just looking at his history as
a play caller, maybe in Detroit, and then looking at
Steve Wilks's career as a coordinator is a play caller,
(16:30):
and then matching it up with the Jets personality, you
get a sense of what they're going to try to
do on that side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Pressure, pressure, pressure, Like him and Aaron Glenn were one
of the most higher rated pressure guys as defensive colonators
in the league when Wilkes was calling the defense in Arizona,
when he was calling the defense in Carolina, like, that's
what he was synonymous with, bringing pressure. Aaron Glenn, I mean,
you know that Detroit Lions are playing man and blitzing,
(16:59):
how Like that's what they do, right, So it'll be
interesting to see that marriage of those two guys because
Steve Wooks has played in a three four, four to
three hybrid, but he's also been a traditional four to
three when he's with the San Francisco forty nine ers
as well, So it'll be interesting to see. Because Aaron
Glenn said he's gonna let Steve Wooks call the defense.
But how much input of what Aaron Glenn wants the
(17:21):
defense to look like will he have? You know when
it comes to Steve Wilks and them building up that defense.
So that'll be the thing. But one thing I know
about both of those coaches, they are going to bring pressure.
They're going to want to speed up the clock for
the quarterback. So it'll be interesting, right because the Jets
for the last couple of years under Robert sla and
Jeff obrig have been a predominantly four down front. We're
(17:42):
gonna let our defensive line get after you right now.
Albrook switched the things up and started adding more pressure
towards the end of the backyard last year, but traditionally,
right this is a team that is a built off
its four man rush. So it'll be interesting to see
that marriage between the current players we have who we add,
and then also Steve Well and also Aaron Glenn and
their marriage and how they want this defense to look like.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Speaking of names that have expiring contracts, you mentioned Conklin
and Moses, Let's keep it a defensive.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Side of the ball.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Your thoughts in Jamie Sherwood the team on me from
last year with an expiring contract. Contract in DJ Reid
as well, because you spoke rightfully so about the need
of the safety position. DJ Reid set to hit the
market possibly the quantest figures here JBC and a couple
(18:35):
other young guys.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
And another name that we haven't brought up, Brandon Nichols.
He's going to be free agent too, and he's been
our third corner for the last three years and he's
been productive every time he's been in the start lineup.
I don't think enough of get Nation is talking about
him being a fre agent because obviously DJ's the big name,
and rightfully so, he played at a pro Bowl level
last year and he's going to probably be the top
(18:57):
corner in fregency. Sometimes he as it's just best to
hit the market at the right time, right if you're
DJ reed now it sucks for us, right because I
would love to have him back, and I think he
would love to play for Aaron Glenn because they kind
of mold each other and how they play like they
were both undersized corners who a lot of people didn't
have a lot of faith in. Even though Aaron Glenn
did go in the first round. DJ Reid I believe
(19:20):
went fourth or fifth round. But the fightiness that they
both played with the tennasty right, they both had really
good rundown speed as far as recovery speed. DJ Reid
used to be a pro returner, a g return kicks right,
So like I know that DJ Reed. You know a
lot of people at the end the season were like,
no way he's coming back. But I think when they
(19:41):
were on Glenn got the job, it kind of lent
itself to DJ Reed thinking like, you know what, I
would love to play for him.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Now.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Obviously, as a player, you want to maximize your years,
you want to get the most money possible. So DJ's
probably gonna be the top corner on the board. But
Brendon Eckles is a guy I think the Jets really
take a hard look at bringing back because anytime he
was thrust in the action, he was productive. Like one
thing he does is take the football away, like the
ball gravitates too. And I know we're talking about Aston
(20:08):
Davis earlier, but sam could be said for Brandon Eckles,
Like anytime he's in the game, the ball gravitates to him.
So like Corny on the low is an under underlying
need like that kind of major underlying need because I
love Stickers played some spot duty here and there last year.
Are you comfortable enough going into the season saying he's
your court CB two off the rip? You still have
(20:28):
Michael Carter there. I think Brandon Nichols makes a lot
of sense bringing him back the Jamien Sherwin one. People
aren't talking about enough. He's gonna have a major market.
He led the NFL in solo tackles with ninety eight
and I told you all last year, da I was
like the speed that he plays with, right, you can
see the transition from safety to linebacker by the way
he plays. And the crazy thing is he was kind
(20:50):
of learning on the job here because his first couple
of years he's more of a you know, a special
teams Maven backed up CJ and Quincy who missed any time, right,
So he didn't play that much. And teams come out
predominantly in eleven personnel, which is won back, one tight end,
three receivers, So we were in Nickel a lot, right,
So he didn't play a lot his first three years,
(21:13):
and then CJ gets banged up this year, and boy
did he take off, and I knew he would take off.
Talking to Robert Soler, he was like, he's one of
the smartest kids he's ever been around. Right, uh, but
he's had this like his second year playing for the Jets,
Jamien sure was gonna have a nice market. I think
Theyets gotta do whatever it takes because he's only twenty
five years old. Like guys that are that young that
(21:35):
can be building blocks for you, you don't let him out
the door. So but he's earned every right to test
the market and see what he's gonna get. But again,
that's a guy you don't want to let let leave
and walk out the door.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
He's an other unique dude because he brought it physically
when he got his opportunity unfortunately when CJ. Mosley went
down last season. But he just has it to in
turn some of his approach every day. The guy can
know off the field he's gonna be doing the right
things and he playing play out. You don't got to
(22:09):
worry about what he's gonna be doing because he's doing
it full steam ahead sideline the sideline guys all over
the place.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
For sure, exactly. I think that's what separates him, Like
the speed at which he played, he plays with and
the way you're able to play at that speed is
because you're doing the work throughout the week, the film
study right, understanding concepts, understanding blocking schemes. You're able to
play that fast and have ninety eight solo tackles because
you've put the work in throughout the week to know
what the team is gonna run. And once you see something,
(22:40):
you're not gun shy, you hit it downhill. So again,
I think teams are gonna look at him saying he's
got his best football ahead of him because this was
his first year as a starter, and you saw what
he did. He played at a Pro Bowl type level.
So like again, he's gonna have a nice size market.
But if I'm the Jets, there's no way I let
him out the door.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Is I gotta get your thoughts on Jermaine Johnson taking
his social media of late saying to be honest, y'all,
let's stop all the hate and.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
Buy in even as fans.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
It doesn't help anyone being surrounded with negativity.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
I've been here three going on four seasons now and
I want to change two. But you have to take
what you want and make stuff put that parentheses happen.
I just asked as fans to just buy in and
surround the team with positivity and blind faith, because that's
what I'm doing. I know the negativity is coming from
(23:35):
a place and passion for the team.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
I get it. I'll do all I can on and
off this field to turn things around.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
I know it's the New York media at all, and
it's supposed to be tough, but let's just buy in
and say epic.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
It's a new year with the new front office and coaches.
Let's go. Why not can't hurt? Right? Negativity can though,
just the thought.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
That's why I love that guy. That's why I was
the table to draft him when we did three years ago.
True leader on the field, and I think the Jets
sorely missed his energy and his leadership last year, more
specifically on the defensive side. But he's right. I mean, ea,
I can't tell you how many times I was on
X Twitter, whatever you want to call it, and a
(24:20):
lot of the fans were just upset with the Rodgers
because it was obviously was It felt like it was
a split decision when it came to the fan base.
When it came to Aaron Rodgers, right, But I'm with
your Maine, Like again, this is a new regime. They
want to do things their way. Sometimes you got to
start a new rip the band aid off, like you said,
the unfortunate what happened to Aaron Rodgers after only four
plays with the Buffalo Bills, played obviously through some injuries
(24:44):
last year and got it, you know, started playing some
really good football towards the end of last year. But
at the end of the day, it's a production business.
And when you win five games, a lot of times
when a new regime comes in, they want to start
a new So why not just get behind the t
tea at least give it an opportunity for Aaron Gland,
for Darren Mouji to have a set plan and execute
(25:08):
it before you're already willing to, you know, sell the ships.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Right.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
So I'm with Jermaine one hundred percent, Like again, I
get it right, I've lived it with you guys. Like
the last time we had a winning season was when
I was there in twenty fifteen. So trust me, I'm
in it with you guys, and I believe in what
Jermaine is saying. Like, let's just lock into this season
because I mean we've seen it time and time again.
(25:34):
A lot of people thought the Buffalo Bills were going
to be in a rebuild last year. They go to
the AFC Championship game. Right, they changed coaches for the Chargers,
hall Ball comes in, nobody knew who their offensive weapons
were going to be. They go to the playoffs. Right,
You just never know, right. The Denver Broncos another perfect example.
Right after losing Russell Wilson, not having any cap money
(25:55):
because of Russell Wilson's deal, they draft the quarterback in
the first round and they go to the playoffs. So
just let things play out, right, and then we'll decide
after that. But again, no need for the negativity this
early in the process because the plan hasn't even been
laid out. Like you said, Aaron Glenn literally just created
his staff, which again I thought he had a home
(26:17):
run on a lot of those pickups. Then getting Steve Wilkes,
a guy that has head coaching experience, especially for a
first year head coach, is going to be big. He
can lean on Steve wils because he's done it not
only at Arizona, but he was the interim coach with
the Carolina Panthers, so that's somebody you can lean on.
I think Chris Banjo was a home run pick, a
guy used to love to see compete when I played
(26:37):
when he was at the Arizona Cardinals. I thought that
was a home run pick. Tenner Ingstrand a guy that
was the passing game coordinator who was under Ben Johnson
with the Detroit Lions. And I think bringing in Scott Turner,
a guy that's been a coach for fourteen plus years
whose call plays, makes a lot of sense because now
Tanner Ingstran can lean on Scott Turner. Right. So, like
(26:59):
I thought, Eric Glyn did a massivel job of putting
this staff together, and I think one of the biggest
keeps right because he was on the staff last year
with Sean Jefferson. Obviously, Garrett Wilson loves this guy, and
I haven't heard one player say anything bad about Sean Jefferson.
I've had the privilege to go to many training camp
practices there at one just drive and just the energy
(27:21):
that he coaches with. It's infectious. And I'm glad that
Aaron Glenn, you know, kept him on staff.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
So we'd be remiss if we didn't ask you about
one of Darren Mushi's hires, senior personnel advisor, former Lejay
Dousable colleague Rex Spielman.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
One are the Jets stealing oh Man?
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Well, I told Rick the other day, EA, like, I
can't wait to get the ones. They Jets drive when
you're there and just come in your office and mess
with you, right like my coworker from CBS Lett just
high and dry over here. But I'm not bad because
he's gonna be with my Jets. This is a guy
that was a former GM. He's had so many hits.
Let's not forget. This is the guy that drafted Justin Jefferson.
(28:01):
Just to put it into perspective for everybody out there,
he's been a really good personnel guy. I always love
our tips when it comes to the draft in regards
to how we see prospects. A lot of times we're
on the same page, but every once in a while
me and Rick are not on the same page. But
he's a guy that is going to be a sounding
board for Darren Mugi and also Eric Glenn who has
a background and being a pro scout as well, so
(28:25):
he's there to be a sounding board for them. I
thought that was a great hire, especially for a first
time head coach in a first time GM, to have
somebody in the building that's done it at that level
and has had some success at drafting and bringing in
players via free agency in Minnesota. I thought that that
was a no brainer, and he was a guy that
was pivotal in the hiring of Darren Mugi and Eron
(28:46):
Glynn as well.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
What are you most looking forward to as far as the.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Combine when you go there?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:55):
What is your focus? Because so many different things are
happening there during the week.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah, I'm not the biggest guy when it comes to
the on field like forty times and bench and all
that stuff. Now, again for defensive linemen in regards to
I'm trying to see traits when it comes to the
on field like bag drills and stuff like that, because
you can kind of see some traits. But you know
what I like the most ea talking to the players
(29:22):
right because you get a temperament of who they are now. Again,
it's a lot different than the Combine because it's not
like the Senior Bowl where you get to see them
for like two or three days, and how they interact
with their teammates and everything like during the combine, will
probably get like ten minutes with each player, but it's
good just to see like their temperament and how they
care themselves during interviews, how they interact with just the
(29:45):
staff that are out there in Indianapolis, because you know,
this EA is like a long walk way you walk
through to get to where the media is and everything.
And how are you treating the staff that are there
at the convention center right? How are you acting in
the interviews? How do you carry yourself like? These are
all things that I'm looking at for these players because
this is the biggest interview of their life where they
(30:06):
get to talk to all thirty two teams. They're gonna
go through so much medical things when they're there, as
far as so many tests to make sure everything is
copoesthetic with their bodies. But to me, it's their temperament
That's what I'm going to watch the most. And then again,
like the on field things are bigger for me than
the actual forty time I think people just get too
(30:28):
caught up in the forty time too often. Some of
the agility drills are big too, because those kind of
translate to what you can do athletically, but as far
as running in a straight line, it's like in football,
you're never running in a straight line barely maybe as
a receiver on a go route, but even then you're
setting up the go route to run past somebody. So like, yes,
the forty is quote unquote important, but that's the last
(30:50):
thing I look at. I call it the underwear Olympics, right.
I watched the game film and then also how the
temperament of the player is. That's the biggest thing for me,
especially when they're out there competing in the agility drills.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
And even if you don't test while in the weeks ahead,
you're gonna have your own pro day, so you're gonna
be able to either stand on that score or stand
on that lifting them out, or stand on what you
did in terms of some of those drills, or you
can just repeat that.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
And I know I'm making it, I'm oversimplifying a little bit,
but my thing is it's an opportunity. If you don't
want to take it, you don't have to take it.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
If you're gonna be if.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
You're gonna be select it at the top of the
first round, and that's what you're agent's telling you. But
you got nothing to lose either, because you still can
go to your pro day and take care of business
there as well.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yeah, it's always interesting to see what agents and players
decide to do with the combine because I know you
said you can always like fix what you did in
the combine that pro day, but sometimes if you're athletically
limited in a certain area, you can't fix it. It
is what it is, right, So, like that's why we've
(32:06):
seen more and more lately guys not competing at the COMBA,
Like Marven Harrison Junior decided to do nothing at the combin, Right,
He's like, I'm gonna get ready to play football because
that's what you're gonna pay me to do. We've seen
at times quarterbacks not throw and only throw at their
pro day, and it'll be interesting to see if cam
Wood and shaudor Sanders actually do throw at their combine
(32:27):
or whether they feel more comfortable throwing with guys they've
thrown with all year long at the pro day. Right,
That's always a little gamesmanship when it comes to the
quarterback position as well. Right, will certain defensive linemen that
are probably going in the top ten, will they run? Right?
Will a due a card to do anything, because right
now he's the number one prospect on most people's draft boards.
(32:48):
Him and Travis Hunter, Like, how much will they do?
Will Travis Hunter do receiver and corner drills? That's another
thing to think about, right, if he's going top five,
does he need to go out there and do that
or does he just do it at Pro Day? Right,
So these are the things that we'll be watching throughout
this process of the Combine. And again it seems like
the players have started to shift the power more on
their side and they've done less at the combine as
(33:09):
the years have gone on.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Yeah, ultimately, you're a guy who lives in the film room.
I say, the tape doesn't lie.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
If you were production you know me, it's all about
the tape.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
If you were productive in college and you played against
some of the best players at that level, I think
you're probably gonna be productive in the National Football League.
And if you went to a small school, you just
saw a lot of those guys down in Mobile already
they competed a number of those guys made money for
themselves already by the performances they just put forth there
(33:43):
at the senior pol you know, out there in Pets.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah. Two guys that come to mind. I'm glad you
brought this up. Gray's Abel from North Dakota State, who
played left tackle there. He literally played all five positions
at the Senior Bowl, took snap to center. It looked
like he had done it his whole life, which is crazy.
Some people are now talking about him maybe going in
the back of the first round EA, and I wouldn't
be surprised. He's kind of got that Graham Barton trajectory
(34:08):
from Duke last year. He was a guy that played tackle,
played guard, played right tackle, played center, and now he's
the starting center for the Tampa Bay Bucks. A lot
of people compare him to a former Bison and Cody
Match who's also with the Tampa Big Buccaneers and starting
yet guard, because when he came out at the Senior Bowl,
he was a left tackle and then played all five
positions as well. So he's a guy that was at
(34:31):
a smaller school that showed that the uptick and competition
wasn't gonna deter him or slow him down. Another guy,
Mike Green, who I love. I mean, I've been the
biggest Mike Green fan. I was blessed to call one
of his games this past year. He's a dude. I'm
The biggest question with him everybody was concerned about was wait,
because I think sometime in the Springy waighted like two
thirty five, and I kept telling everybody I interviewed this dude,
(34:54):
he was looking eye to eye with me, there's no
way he's two thirty five. Boy waited in at two
fifty one of the Senior Bowl and ran through Josh
Cornley there who's gonna probably be a first round tackle
from Oregon. And after two days of practice, he did
everything he needed to do and he left mobile. So
he's the guy that people were talking about the back
of the first people were saying top ten now for
my gree and he might be edge guy number two
(35:16):
in this draft class. They don't. They don't, and special
ones like him who work at it, who set up
their moves like chess players. He has a game that's
kind of like a lot too as well. He has
a bevy of pass rush moves. It starts with speed
to power, but after that he will put you in
(35:36):
the blend with a counter club with a chop club
on the edge. He's a guy that has really grown
his game the last two years at Marshall.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Hey man, enjoy your travels coming up, and then I'll
see an American's heart leant Oh
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Yeah, I can't wait to get to Endy
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