April 11, 2025 • 35 mins
Host Eric Allen is joined by NFL Insider Tom Pelissero and Senior National Columnist for NFL.com Judy Battista. They discuss the Jets free agent acquisitions, how QB Justin Fields fits with HC Aaron Glenn and insights into the rest of the NFL heading towards the 2025 NFL season.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Great to see it. I'm another league meetings here in
Palm Beach. Indeed, we're on the every three year rotation.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
This is always a good spot, although I got to
say the humidity is probably taking more of a toll
on my hair than I would have liked.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
You're okay and holding on, hold on. I would you
describe the Jets of free agency class at this point?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Well, I mean, it really starts with what they did
at quarterback and going and getting justin Fields. I know
that the Steelers also had an interest in retaining them.
I understand where Fields based on how things played out
last year. The fact they're four and two when they
go to Russell Wilson, who was supposed to be the
starter in the first place, never really turned back to him.
There's a lot of talk about using them in packages.
You didn't see a ton of it. You know, for him,
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it felt like this was the true fresh start that
he needed after last year really being traded as a
backup because they already had.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Russell Wilson at that point.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
You know, this time around, it's, hey, you're gonna get
your opportunity here. You know, the contract bears that out.
It's not a massive commitment, but it's enough of a commitment.
Do you feel like you're going to get a year
and probably two to show that.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
You can be the guy?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
And so I think that getting him with this coaching
staffs gonna be really interesting because I don't know that
Tanner Ingstrand is going to run the same style of
offense to fit justin fields then he was running in Detroit,
and so how they meld that together around his skill set.
I think it's gonna be one of the big, you know,
the big things to focus on through the offseason. Then,
you know, terms of the rest of free agency. Bringing
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Josh Myers, who I thought was a bargain based upon
where they got him. He played a ton of football
in Green Bay. You know, is he a starter? Is
he your your sixth piece who's rotating through? You know
that all remains to be seen. Josh Reynolds has bounced around,
but that's another you know, quality at least depth piece
in terms of your your wide receiver group. Brandon Stevens had,
you know, quite a bit of interest. I think that
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was one that people didn't know that name, and then
you know, you saw the fact that he actually had
real interest, He got a real deal. You know, he
certainly had a bunch of teams that were that were
interested in him. So I know there are other moves
Derek Noddy coming in as well, but those are you know,
really to me, the Jets were not a team to
the extent that GMS generally look at this as he
used free agency to fill your needs. Then you go
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draft the best players you can't the Jets for regardless
of the record and being a five win team, They're
not be reft of town. There's a lot of young
guys on this team who can play. So this was
seemed like it was far more targeted. And the first
thing was we'll see how the draft plays out, We'll
see how everything plays out at quarterback over the next
couple of years. But at least you got a guy
who's had some productivity in the league and you know
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is absolutely going.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
To embrace this opportunity to go be the start. But
do you know this league as well as anybody, this
free agency class as a whole throughout the National Football
League wasn't concer That are a great one, right.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
There were a lot of positions in particular, but there
just weren't those those high end guys. I mean, running back,
there really wasn't a ton Najee Harris was probably the
top one wide receiver. There was a bunch of name guys,
and a bunch of them were still sitting out there too,
but there weren't those you know, once t Higgins got
tagged and then Godwin, you know he had a really
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hot market, decide to go back for less to tample.
But beyond that, there weren't those those upperational and type guys.
And you can you can apply that to a bunch
of the other positions. There was really one center who
was going.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
To get paid. There was really one guard that was
going to get paid. That's just sometimes that's how it goes.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
And I think that part of that is the fact
that the salary cap has gone up so much, teams
have had more flexibility to retain their top young players.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Therefore, fewer players actually make it out into the marketplace.
You like to approach that Darren Moosey took here because
I think only three of the fourteen additions, or three
of the fourteen free agent signings were multi year deals
in terms of fields. You mentioned Stevens before and then
keeping Jamie Sherwood in house. Everybody else was a one
year deal.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Well, that's if you go back to what the Houston
Texans did when Nick Casario first got there too. They
did like twenty plus I want to say, one year
deals in his first year. The idea of that was
you raise the competition level. You get veteran players who
are going to be competing. Instead of relying on, hey,
we're gonna draft fifty six to seventh round guys at
these positions, they'll fight it out for the last pot
on the roster. No, like, let's get these dudes who
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aren't getting money elsewhere. We can get them on one
year type deals. They'll come in, they'll all compete. Some
of them make the roster some won't, but you're raising
the floor of what the competition level is. There's probably
some of that that goes into these things because again,
I think that the frontline talent on the Jets team.
I mean, there's a lot of a lot of fan bases.
There's a lot of teams that would love to have
Breise Hall and Garrett Wilson and Sauce Gardner and Jermaine Johnson,
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and I mean go down the list and Williams, Williams
and Jamis and they're all like twenty seven or under.
You know, Jamie Shore, what I should have mentioned that one.
I mean, that was a big retention, and he was
somebody I don't think he was on my list of
players who are gonna get more money than you think.
He got more than I thought. You know, yeah, you've
you've got a young core there, and so I think that,
you know, the way that they approached it makes sense,
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which is, we don't need to go sign the big player.
We do need a quarterback, we don't need to go
sign one of these one or two. We don't need
to you know nothing, That's what the Patriots did, But
we don't need to go pay twenty six million for
Millon Williams right now, we just need to get guys
who are competent NFL players, bring them in, raise the
competition level so we're not going so young that it
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really stresses us in terms of not just trying to
set up the program in year one but relying on
a bunch of really young dudes to fill all those spots.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
How big of a moment is this for Justin Fields
early on in his career, former first round pick in
twenty twenty one, of course, started his career with Chicago
Bears last year, as you mentioned four and two as
the starter with the Steelers, had a decision to make
and he picked the Jets.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Well, I think with Justin Fields, if you take the
highlight tape of him, particularly in Chicago, you.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Go, this guy's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
You watch the whole tape, not for me to watch
because I ultimately don't know what I'm looking at, but
if coaches watch it, you just see a lot of
things that they're not necessarily happening on time. He's not
cutting it loose and throwing the ball down the field.
You know, things are not in rhythm. He's great in
terms of being a playmaker, in creating what he hasn't
shown yet is that he can play from the pocket
in rhythm and win with his arm without the threat
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of his legs. And listen, the legs are a huge weapon.
And so that's the kind of the balance that I'm
talking about with Tanner Ingstran trying to find this thing
is going to be how do you play to his
strengths but also develop some of those other things that
if he can start throwing the football better and really
even more so than throwing the footballs we've all seen him,
you know, throw some downfield passes, but also just seeing
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it and getting through the progressions, and how do you
sculpt that around him here? That's going to be the
real test. You know, Justin Fields has a ton of
talent everybody you talk to, anybody who's around him coaching wise,
in you know, Chicago and Pittsburgh. Again, setting aside some
of those shortcoming short game in terms of the work
ethic and the attitude, everybody really likes Justin Fields, which
is part of why Shitka who wanted to do right
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by him and trade them when they did to a
place that he wanted to go. It didn't work out
in Pittsburgh. They still wanted him back over the guy
who finished the season as the quarterback. That again shows
that people like Justin Fields. They want him to do well.
To me, it's going to come down to this. It's
not going to be about his five best plays in
every game. It's going to be about plays six or
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twenty five. Is he making enough of the above the
line throws? Is he making the easy throws? Is he
getting the ball into the playmaker's hands. You don't have
to do it all on your own, right, But can
he get the ball to Garrett Wilson a bunch of
times a game? Can he do those things? That's really
what it's about. The talent's there with Justin Fields. It's
just a matter of being more predictable in terms of, hey,
we call someth this should be an easy reading, easy pass, Yeah,
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execute it. That's been the challenge in his career. If
they can find a way to get him played in
rhythm more, then you could really have.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Some It's an interesting situation, isn't it, Because Engstrand comes
from Detroit Jared Goff completely different skill set than Justin Fields,
and you keep unmentioning Garrett Wilson, who's his stuff receiver,
one of only five receivers in NFL history, started his
career with eighty receptions and one thousands of yards in
each of those first three seasons, and then you got
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Breise Hall in the backfield. You anticipate much more of
an emphasis on the run game here with the Jets offense,
and then the play action that was a big deal
for the Detroit Lions. To anticipate the Jets trying to
take that approach.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Well, you would like to be able to, but a
lot of play action is also the rhythm passing. Yeah,
I mean that's kind of how you're setting things up
and you're freeing people up. I mean, I do think
that there's probably gonna be a run emphasis, in part
because antim you have a defensive head coach who has
a very we're going to be tougher and we are
going to out physical them.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Type of mentality. You're probably leaning more toward running the football.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
But I wouldn't say that it's got to be a
carbon copy of what they did in Detroit, because, like
you just said, they're not the same style of quarterbacks here.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
I'm fascinated.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
I don't know what the offense is going to look
like I don't think you can just put on the
Detroit tape and say it's going to look something like this.
I think that this could be. You know, it's probably
gona be a combination of the different things that he's
done well in his career. I mean Chicago, if you
go back and look at the numbers and his years
as the starter there, they were near the bottom of
the league in passing yards, but there were the league
leaders in rushing yards. I know Luke Getzi got a
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lot of flak there, but if you actually like break
down where they ranked, they ran the football really effectively
without much of a threat throwing the football. So if
you can establish enough of a passing threat while also
running the football effectively, again the style of play that
they want to have, they got dudes on defense at
all three levels. If you can, you know, create that
type of a game, and maybe it is like the
early days in Detroit where they were just trying to
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like turn into a slug fest and you weren't scoring
forty points, you were just figuring it out. It took
a while there too, but if you established that type
of mentality, you take some of the pressure off the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
You know the NFC North quite well, you know the
entire league quite well. Aaron Glenn coming back home to
the New York Jets, what do you make in the
early going of what you've heard from AG.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Well, I think that he's you know, he's a firecracker
as a personality. And I've been to so many practices
where him, whether it was him and Duce Staley, or
was him and some of the guys on staff this year,
and they're just arcing back and forth in between every
rap and it's not anything like disrespectful. It's just they're
creating that energy. They are bringing that energy every time
you see in the meeting rooms, you see it on
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the practice field. That carries over to game day here.
Air is also a very very smart guy and a
good tactician, and I think that that combination, I mean,
these are the traits that the Jets always saw on
him going back to his playing days, and now they're
hoping is really going to set the mentality of this
team moving forward. I mean, nothing I've seen or heard
from AG so far surprises me in the slightest. I
think it'll be fun to see him at the AFC
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coaches and availability this week here kind of holding court.
But he's a natural when you know him a little bit.
I don't know him super well, but just in your interactions,
like you get the same guy all the time, that's
really ag It's the same authenticity that's helped Dan Campbell
be as good as he is, which is Dan Campbell.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
It's absolutely Dan came amble at all times.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Aaron Glenn is the same type of guy, and I
think that for Jets fans remember him as a player
and have been waiting just for some type of breakthrough.
When you see some of the talent they have on
the roster, I think there's going to naturally be a
kind of a rallying point here and it should be
a fun energy in the building comes September.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah, we can't wait for that. You mentioned some of
the Jets young pieces. It's not like this team is
void of talent roster makeup, though, what do you make
of the youthful You talk about youthful exubrints The Jets,
prior to signing Josh Reynolds is thirty years old. The
thirteen free agents, their mean age average age was twenty
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six years old. There are five players on this roster
thirty years and above, and three of them are specialists.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Right, and all those star players we railed off the
top for all, I believe twenty seven and under, including Quinnon,
who it feels like has already been in the league
for ten years.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
And that's right.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Less than that, I mean, that's what you're betting on here.
I mean, listen, I know that there's going to be
people who feel certain ways about Robert sol and Joe Douglass,
but if you look at the core that they've put
in place here, you have an opportunity really to build
off of this. This is not there are times where
a GM and a head coach walk in to a
five win team and it's we got to burn it down.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
We got to get worse before we got better.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah, you moved on from Aaron Rodgers, you moved on
from DeVante Adams, but that was not a contract that
was ever expected to have Vante Adams on the team
this year.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
But you're looking at this and saying, we've got a
chance to go up now.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
We don't need to have that down to go up,
And I think that that makes it really exciting here.
I mean, if you told me, you know the floor.
I have no idea what the over unders are and
anything like that. But like if you told I think
somebody said the other day five and a half, that's
what I was about to g ask you were five
win team last year. Like, I'm not advising anyone to
take the over I'm just saying, if that's kind of
like the baseline of what people think, the talent is
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there to be a lot better, but it is going
to come down to the quarterback position. I think ag
with that defensive group, I do believe they'll come along
quickly defensively, but they always say the offense takes a
little bit longer than the defense. Tanner Ingstrand as a
first time play caller coming in here with a quarterback
who we got to figure out how he fits. We
know they've got the other playmakers here, but that to
me is gonna be the most important relationship in that
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building here.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Is before what do you anticipate with some of those
young guns. Now, I don't want you to go name
by name, but more so a general overall philosophy as
far as Fancy Stingley gets signed, and they naturally are
asking a question, well, was Sauce in the mix for
the Jets, or Garrett Wilson. You mentioned him as well.
We talked about brestall in the backfield and things like that.
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Where do you think the Jets end up in terms
of their approach.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
It's a fascinating question because you know, there are times
where new regimes come in and they pay all those
guys to kind of buy their way on board, and
there's other times where you want guys to come out
and show with the new regime what they can do.
And so you know, to this point, you've not seen
outside of Sherwood, who obviously they had to make a
decision on. They gave him fifteen million a year, which
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is you know, a big chunk of chains, but he
had a lot of interest in him.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
So far, they've not done those extensions.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
I don't think that there's a writer or a wrong way,
and I wouldn't want to, you know, prognosticate it, but
I would say to anybody who's sitting there, if they
don't have a Garrett Wilson deal done or a Sauce
Gardner deal done before training camp and are like, what
are we doing? I would just say, like, there's an
evaluation for this here, you want to build the thing
a certain way. Here, there's nothing to preclude you from
doing deals during camp, doing deals during the season. I
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do think that I think highly of both those guys,
you know, just in my my interactions with them too.
I mean, I really like Garrett, I've met Sauce before,
like they're they're good energy type guys. I would think
those the guys do you want to build around Brese
another one who you know, when he's been healthy, he's
been really really good. And then obviously you got guys
like Quinnin and Quincy and you know, go on down
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the list here. I don't Again, I don't think there's
a writer or a wrong way. I just wouldn't overreact
to however they do it, because there is something to
be said for We've seen other regimes pay guys immediately. Again,
we're gonna pay everybody, so everybody's on board. Well, then
maybe you lose a little that dog eat.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Dog in them.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
So it'll be interesting to see exactly how they approached this,
because as we know, the prices only go.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Up number seven. I don't know if we're going to
see it before the draft, unfortunately, but where we stand
right now, and you look at the Jets roster, some
fans are circling that tight end from Penn State War.
I feel like that's been going for a while. How
about a tackle Erman Membu from Missouri? How about a
defensive tackle? You know, I don't know if Mason Graham's
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going to get to seven or whatever.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
What do you think about the overall interesting evaluation here,
because all the fiscal tools are there, it's going to
be evaluating all the other stuff with him. He could
go in the top tank or Campbell maybe later in
the in the first round. Will Campbell he's got the
t Rex arms. He doesn't actually, but I mean, you know,
is he a garter? Is he a tackle? That's some
of the questions they're going to be asking. You know,
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I could see it going a bunch of different directions.
I mean, you know, hindsight, you go back last year,
there's a ton of talk about Rock Powers, the tight
end has been in there. Powers goes to the Raiders
is one of the greatest, you know, seasons of all time.
Would that have happened with the Jets. It's impossible to say.
You know, having a playmaker at that position certainly would
help if you look at what the Lions have had
at that position. I mean they traded away t J. Hawkinson,
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they brought in Sam Laporto, who is the second round pick,
and they've got a lot of productivity.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Out of it.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Well, I think that, you know, when you're drafted number seven,
there's only so many of those elite type players in
the draft, and some people are gonna draw that line.
I mean the Titans, you just look at their list
of who they've had in visits and whatnot. T Brian
Callahan yesterday he said, you know it's Troy the four
guys everybody's talking about. It's Abdul Carters, Travis Hunter, Shador,
and it's cam Ward. You know that's that those are
the truly elite guys in this draft. So the Jets
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are in that next group. Could you potentially trade down
if somebody one of those core you know, if a
shudoors rights and somebody wants to come up. There's so much,
like you're not high enough on the board to control it.
There's so much that can play out between now and
draft night. Even then when you're on the clock here,
I would anticipate again because they don't have a desperate need.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
They're not boxed in.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
If they hadn't signed Justin Fields, then you'll be sitting
here going. Or they could take Jackson Dart at seven
and listen. They they could so take a quarterback. They
could take a quarterback somewhere along the line here. But
they're not boxed in on anything. They've got enough talented
different positions here. I think that all options are on
the tip.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Hey, you toughed it out here in the humidity, and
you said you're having a bad hair day, but uh,
I think we covered you up pretty well. I probably
appreciate it. Thanks to have great see anybody absolutely here.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
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Speaker 1 (17:35):
Judy, is so great to see you here at the
league meetings and what's palm?
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Very nice to be We're in pom beach Man. We're
staying on the west pom side.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Okay, we're pom beach Man. I love it. Yeah. Does
the humidity bother you? Yeah? Come on, you went to Miami.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
I grew up down here, but I mean, what about
my hair, It's a disaster.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Looks fine, Paul Sarah was complaining about his hair as well.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
It's rough out here.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
So Sunday you earn an awfully busy individual because you
talk to a lot of the coaches, including new Jets
head coach Aaron Glenn. How is your visit with Ag awesome?
Speaker 4 (18:09):
He's awesome, As you well know, I covered him as
a player and he is basically exactly the same as
a head coach, like direct to the point and nobs.
He was great. We talked about Justin Field, who he
feels like he is ready to take off as sending
like looking forward to using not just his arm but
his legs in the game. You know he's he's excited
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to get started.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I think, yeah, he definitely is. He's always talking about
getting the guys on the grass and I think all
season workouts begin in Florena Park April seventh, So AG
when he was discussing fields and we're going to talk
to him about it tomorrow and AFC Coaches Breakfast is
actually in a few hours. But your takeaway as far
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as maybe him and a defensive side the ball facing
him in Chicago what has he seen in terms of
his development over the years.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Well, I think he's what he is looking forward to
seeing is more of his development, Like he really he
feels like there's still untapped potential and that he is
ready now to take off, right, that we're finally going
to see. And I think we saw a little bit
of that with Pittsburgh, yep, right. I mean he was
doing a pretty good job running that offense. You saw
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a little bit of the legs, you saw the arm,
and then of course you know, Russell Wilson got healthy
and they made the switch. But I think Aaron, you know,
indicated that he clearly feels like there's much more the
ceiling is high, and that we're going to see more
of that.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
You said he hasn't changed that much. What was he
like as a player?
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Exactly what you have seen publicly, like direct to the point, no,
Like when he was when the when the search started
for the coach and we knew Aaron was going to
be a target. I said to somebody like there was
no b us about Air England when he was a player,
and I would expect him to be that. And you
know he also is Bill Parcells is a mentor and
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Bill Parcells was no bs too.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, but so do you see a ton of parcels
in a g everybody's their own individual and he said
various mentors along the way.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
But it you know, I do though, because built again
no be it like just straightforward, like you know, this
is how we're going to do it. I don't I
think I don't think there'll ever be a discipline problem.
I mean, I think, you know, I do see a
lot of Parcels in him in that He's just going
to tell the players what he expects, what he demands
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of them, and he's going to expect them to live
up to that.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
As someone who covered Parcels, what was it like for
you in that room? And what do you think it's
going to be like for folks who are covering Aaron now?
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Well, covering Parcels was a blast. First of all, Well,
he's I mean, he's fantastic with the media, as you know.
I think people think he was difficult with the media,
but he was a master at the media because he
was I mean, unbelievable stories and a great storyteller, and
he also knew how to use the media to deliver
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a point. You know, which the best of them do.
They know how to communicate through the media to their
own team, and Parcels was really good at that. I
love I still love talking about Parcels. I mean, he's
just phenomenal and he was. I talked to Parcels right
after Ericline got the job, and he was so excited,
and I remember he said, like, you know, he's like
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not afraid to be harsh, like he's Aaron Glenn is
no pushover, like he's not He's going to make his point.
He's going to make sure everybody understands.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Speaking of that, have you seen Glenn making messages to
his team through the media.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
I'm sure he hasn't. Now one is not coming to
mind now that you just put me on the spot.
But I mean that's like Parcels one oh one, right,
like talking to all coaches do it to some degree,
but like that is a Parcels masterclass, and like you
communicate to your locker room through the media.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
So I was just talking to your colleague. Tom. Paula
Sero has said, cover's not bear here when you're talking
about the foundation. What are Aaron Klan and Darren Mugi
embarking upon right now? In year one.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
I don't think it's a complete rebuild. People like, you know, yes,
I mean you change the general manager and the head
coach and obviously the coaching staff changes, and it's you
know a lot of people are the first time in
their roles and so you feel like, well, that's a
rebuild because that's they're probably going to have growing pains.
But there's a you know, the cupboard is not there.
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I mean, no team that has Quinn Williams and Garrett
Wilson and Breese Hall is there. And I'm obviously leaving
out other people and I'm not disrespecting them, but like, no,
you're not. I mean, it's not an empty roster. And
I think, you know, I think what they're embarking on
is I think there's a culture change that was needed.
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I mean, I think like you just need to, you know,
demand some things and expect that people are going to
loll up to them and if they don't, then they'll
be moving on. But they do have some talent to
work with, and I think obviously everything is about the
quarterback and I think if you can get something out
of justin fields and certainly if they can reach the
potential at Aaron clearly feels like is there. You know,
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then they don't have something to work with.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah, people here maybe too much for me because they're
saying that I see it through green colored glasses. But
you got Sauce Gardner and the defensive backfield, you got
Jamie Sherwood who you re signed. You got Quincy Williams
who's all over the place of the linebacker position. You
got his brother, Quinnin who's one of the best interior
defensive players in the National Football League, will McDonald at
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double digit sacks last year. Jermaine Johnson coming back from injury.
Then on the offensive side of the ball, you got
some pieces there at the receiver position with Garrett Wilson,
and then you got Breis Hall in the backfield, and
then they also like the pieces up front along that
offensive line. So right, interesting spot.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
I think, right, and I listen, and I sympathize with
Jets fans because I remember two years ago how everybody's
hopes were high on that includes mine, for what was
gonna happen. I mean, I think we were all very,
very hopeful, and so I understand that everybody is shattered
and beaten down, and it's hard to get your hopes
up again. But I'm not saying they're going to win
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fourteen games here. But you know, but I also don't
think that this is going to be a disaster. Let's
put it that way. How about how about the wind
here by the way, with that, like.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yeah, let's hold this up. It's not going anywhere. Come on, Judy,
that would.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Be something for the Camps. Knock us out.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
A couple of new coaches Nafcy East, Yes, yeah, Mike
Rabel going back to the Patriots. We talked to Rabel too,
Okay here, so give us some insight.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
See, I don't really think of Mike Rabel as a
new coach because he was with the Titans and pretty
successful with the Titans. Look, first of all, I feel
like the Patriots are his dream job. I mean it
is the perfect Obviously, he played there and was wildly
successful as a player there, so I feel like that's
the right shit. And you know, they've got to get
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some talent on that roster too, But they've had They've
been very, very active in free agency. I think they've
spent more money in free agency than any other team.
I'd have to check that right now.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I think that's at one point I was so far
underneath the cat right.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
They had a ton of money to spend, and they've
spent it. They did a lot of work at every
level of the defense. Milton Williams is obviously the biggest name,
but Harrold Andrey too was on there. And then only
a few days ago whatever it was forty eight hours
ago to Stephan Diggs, which is a huge piece, Like, yes,
he's coming back from the ACL and you know he's
a little bit older, but you know he was on
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pace before he had the knee injury last year to
have another thousand yard season receiving season. So that is
a huge piece, in particular for Drake May, who is
you know, young quarterback and you really just need like
that veteran presence who knows where to be, knows how
to communicate with a quarterback. There has been a talent deficit,
particularly on the offensive side of the ball with the
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Patriots for the last few years. Let's face it, even
at the end of the Tom Brady era, Brady was
not happy with the weapons.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Yeah, and that.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Has so that's been an issue for a few years
now and certainly you know, getting stuff on ings in
the building will help address that no matter when he's ready.
It's unclear when he'll be ready.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
So the Patriots said this long run and Buffalo has
been dominating the division of late and they've made a
number of extensions with some veteran players that are not
going to go anywhere, and they got those done early.
That whole draft and developed thing and theme. I think
that's what you're gonna see from the Jets as well,
don't you. One of the key moves here in free
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agency for the Jets was Jamie Sherwood never hit the market,
moves banked himTo his contract. So you get both the
quarterbacks done, you get sure Wood done in the fun
side of the ball than Mike linebacker, and then you
get fields and offensive side the ball.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Yeah, I think first of all, during the course of
this offseason, there's clearly a bit of a youth movement
going on, right. I mean, they've definitely gotten younger mm hmm,
not just at a quarterback position, but they've definitely, you know,
they clearly. I'm sure every coach would say, yeah, we
want to get younger, faster, tougher, but like that's what.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
They're only five Jets north of thirty.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
Right, they're a very young team, which is good because
that means if you have confidence in your coaching staff
that you can develop those guys and then keep them right,
which is the goal of every team.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Right.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
The goal is not to have to be active in
free agency. Like it's great for the Patriots that they've
spent a lot on free agency, but that's because they
needed to because they had real holes on the roster.
They did not draft well for a few years there.
They were not developing their players well. So you would
much rather have lots of young players, guys who then
you need to extend, like Garrett and Sauce and you
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know those guys. You'd much rather be in that position
than not. I mean, if I were the GM. Yes
I'm not the GM. Obviously they know how to do
this much better than I do. But I can't imagine
that again, that the new regime looks at people like
Sauce Gardner and Garrett Wilson thinks we don't want these
guys on and God and great guys like you want
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those people to be the pillars of your franchise because
they're good guys. I mean, I am always struck by
how much Garrett Wilson cares like always been struck by
being in the locker room with him after a loss
and how hard he takes it and how badly he
wants to win, and like, I look forward to watching
him now with Justin Fields, right, I mean, that'll be awesome.
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I'm no Ohio State fan, being a Miami Hurricane, but
I'm kind of looking forward to seeing that.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah, those guys reunite. Yeah, yeah, Listen, Garrett Wilson, He's
just like Aaron Glenn in the sense that he's so
altra competitive the only thing that he wants to do
is win. And then saw us Gardner, almost from the
get go walking into one Jets Drive, said I want
to be here. I want to be a Jet. This
is where I want to be for my career, right,
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And that's.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
What you want, you want people to be. Which is
why I think, which is why I love the Aaron
Glenn higher because Aaron Glenn clearly wanted to be the
head coach of the New York Jets. Yes, he obviously
wanted to be a head coach period, He really he
wanted to be the Jets head coach. He had other options.
He wanted to beat the Jets head coach. And I
think that's meaningful.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
This was not considered overall from a Macro thirty thousand
foot view now standing free A ANDC class, and I
do think there is merit to going about or free
agency and saying, listen, we got to fill some debt
pieces here. Not everybody's going to be a frontline player.
And also Muji, he gives multi year deals out to
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Justin Fields, Jamie Sherwood, Brandon Stevens, everybody else for the
most part is a one year deal. So if those
guys play up and they develop under Aaron Glenn and
his Carty staff, right, he keep him in the house.
If you don't move on, yeah you go, right.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
I no real loss, Yeah yeah it has. It was
not perceived as a very strong free agency class. It's
not perceived as a strong draft class at some positions
like quarterback for example. But you know, and you're right,
So I think the thing to do, especially if you're
a new regime and you're trying to get on the
ground and see what you got is lots of short
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term deals. You know, piece it together, and if it's.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
The right guy, you do give him a long term deal. Absolutely, right,
all right, how do you think Fields is going to
view this opportunity? This is his third team and he
feels like he was drafted a couple of minutes ago
in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
I think I suspect he will embrace this opportunity because
I think not to be you know, not to play
amateur psychiat just here. But like, I think he thought
he had the opportunity in Pittsburgh and then didn't get
the full opportunity too as the starter, right, yeah, he
was doing well. There were lots of people in that
building who believed in him, the team loved him, and
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then they made the switch to Russell Wilson, which you
can also understand, right, But so I think he you know,
he's got something to prove. I think, right, he's going
to be the starting quarterback now. Like so, I think
he will approach this as they believe in me. They're
giving me a chance to be the starting quarterback, and
I'm going to prove that I should be the starting quarterback.
And like I said, Aaron Glenn is psyched about the
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arm and the legs. So I think if we get
to see that sort of I mean, Justin Field is
a wildly talented athlete. Yes, right, I mean he can
throw the ball and when he runs like he's a
phenomenal runner. So are we finally going to see that
kind of game for Jets quarterback because we have not.
That has not been that wave of quarterback play that
has swept through the NFL. It's a fair point we
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haven't really had that at the Jets, So I'm kind
of excited to see that.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Now. There was a stat that glenn is defense coordinator
Detroit faced fields five times. It's three of those games
Fields rush for one hundred yards.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
So you can understand why wants him to be his quarterback, right, like, great,
he knows what right and what a pain in the
necket must be to have to game plan against him.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Okay, So if you're this team, if you're the brass here,
if you're Moogie and AG and you're approaching the draft
in a couple of weeks, what are you thinking?
Speaker 4 (32:29):
I don't know what, I don't I feel like you
just want to get talent. By the way, what is
the siren going off right now? Do I think area
being evacuated?
Speaker 1 (32:39):
My assumption is it is a lightning horn.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Great, because you know what's awesome if people can't see
like we're just surrounded by metal, that's great.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Yeah. Wait, let's get the golfers off the course. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
I think you just need to upgrade your talent wherever
you can. I mean, do they go best player available?
Probably right. I mean, I can't imagine they won't make
a move for a quarterback from where they are right now.
Not early, yes, maybe later in the draft, but I'm
talking about in the first round because I think you
would just have to sacrifice so much to get into
position to get a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Gosh, I don't know where you stand at seven. You
mentioned early in the draft a lot of people been
looking at Penn State tight end Tyler Warren.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
That'd be a nice little way.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
He'd be a great fit because he can help you
in the run games a mall or as far as
the blockers concerned. He also can get it done in
the past game. He might not stretch to feel like
a Boers, but he was ultra productive at Penn State.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
And I always feel like a good tight end is
like the best security blanket, especially for a young quarterback,
right like, which I know you just like doesn't feel
is not young anymore young, but he's not twenty one.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Ye.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
But like for a quarterback who is starting over again,
like there's nothing better than having a tight end that
can you catch the ball and take it a few yards.
That would be gracious or maybe a right cycle. I
don't think you can ever overdo it on the offensive line, right,
We've been through some rough offensive line years, and you
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saw that the benefit of having a great offensive line.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
All right, this has been fun. I think we've probably
got to get out of here because of safety concerns.
But I do have to ask you, Yeah, you talk
to Jets brass after they got Mushi Don and Aaron
Glad your major takeaways in the Jets organization and that
process and also maybe moving forward, it was like.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
An incredibly thorough process, like crazy thorough, which you know.
I think it's obviously very disruptive when you fire a
head coach in the middle of the season and then
fire general manager in the middle of the season. But
what it does do the flip side, is it does
give the organization a long lead time to start their work.
Now you can't talk to guys who are currently coaching,
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but you can do all kinds of background work which
they did like crazy. The amounts of background work, including
things like watching their old media availabilities, right watching Hard
Knocks highlights so they could see, like what Aaron Glenn
looked like in a meeting room or in a huddle.
You can do all of that, talking to people in
other organizations, talking to people you know that they worked with,
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talking to somebody like Bill Parcell's. You can do all
of that if you've started your process. This was an
incredibly thorough process. Nobody knows how it's going to work out,
especially with a first time head coach and a first
time general manager. But you cannot say that they sped
through the process. I mean they turned over every stone.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
You have to speed. You got to get fast out
of here, fast release because we have just been cautioned
here with the horn. I don't know what the hell
is going on, but I think we got to get out.
Thanks Judie.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Great to see it. I'm another league meetings here in
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Speaker 3 (00:32):
This is always a good spot, although I got to
say the humidity is probably taking more of a toll
on my hair than I would have liked.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
You're okay and holding on, hold on. I would you
describe the Jets of free agency class at this point?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Well, I mean, it really starts with what they did
at quarterback and going and getting justin Fields. I know
that the Steelers also had an interest in retaining them.
I understand where Fields based on how things played out
last year. The fact they're four and two when they
go to Russell Wilson, who was supposed to be the
starter in the first place, never really turned back to him.
There's a lot of talk about using them in packages.
You didn't see a ton of it. You know, for him,
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it felt like this was the true fresh start that
he needed after last year really being traded as a
backup because they already had.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Russell Wilson at that point.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
You know, this time around, it's, hey, you're gonna get
your opportunity here. You know, the contract bears that out.
It's not a massive commitment, but it's enough of a commitment.
Do you feel like you're going to get a year
and probably two to show that.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
You can be the guy?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
And so I think that getting him with this coaching
staffs gonna be really interesting because I don't know that
Tanner Ingstrand is going to run the same style of
offense to fit justin fields then he was running in Detroit,
and so how they meld that together around his skill set.
I think it's gonna be one of the big, you know,
the big things to focus on through the offseason. Then,
you know, terms of the rest of free agency. Bringing
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Josh Myers, who I thought was a bargain based upon
where they got him. He played a ton of football
in Green Bay. You know, is he a starter? Is
he your your sixth piece who's rotating through? You know
that all remains to be seen. Josh Reynolds has bounced around,
but that's another you know, quality at least depth piece
in terms of your your wide receiver group. Brandon Stevens had,
you know, quite a bit of interest. I think that
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was one that people didn't know that name, and then
you know, you saw the fact that he actually had
real interest, He got a real deal. You know, he
certainly had a bunch of teams that were that were
interested in him. So I know there are other moves
Derek Noddy coming in as well, but those are you know,
really to me, the Jets were not a team to
the extent that GMS generally look at this as he
used free agency to fill your needs. Then you go
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draft the best players you can't the Jets for regardless
of the record and being a five win team, They're
not be reft of town. There's a lot of young
guys on this team who can play. So this was
seemed like it was far more targeted. And the first
thing was we'll see how the draft plays out, We'll
see how everything plays out at quarterback over the next
couple of years. But at least you got a guy
who's had some productivity in the league and you know
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is absolutely going.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
To embrace this opportunity to go be the start. But
do you know this league as well as anybody, this
free agency class as a whole throughout the National Football
League wasn't concer That are a great one, right.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
There were a lot of positions in particular, but there
just weren't those those high end guys. I mean, running back,
there really wasn't a ton Najee Harris was probably the
top one wide receiver. There was a bunch of name guys,
and a bunch of them were still sitting out there too,
but there weren't those you know, once t Higgins got
tagged and then Godwin, you know he had a really
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hot market, decide to go back for less to tample.
But beyond that, there weren't those those upperational and type guys.
And you can you can apply that to a bunch
of the other positions. There was really one center who
was going.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
To get paid. There was really one guard that was
going to get paid. That's just sometimes that's how it goes.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
And I think that part of that is the fact
that the salary cap has gone up so much, teams
have had more flexibility to retain their top young players.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Therefore, fewer players actually make it out into the marketplace.
You like to approach that Darren Moosey took here because
I think only three of the fourteen additions, or three
of the fourteen free agent signings were multi year deals
in terms of fields. You mentioned Stevens before and then
keeping Jamie Sherwood in house. Everybody else was a one
year deal.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Well, that's if you go back to what the Houston
Texans did when Nick Casario first got there too. They
did like twenty plus I want to say, one year
deals in his first year. The idea of that was
you raise the competition level. You get veteran players who
are going to be competing. Instead of relying on, hey,
we're gonna draft fifty six to seventh round guys at
these positions, they'll fight it out for the last pot
on the roster. No, like, let's get these dudes who
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aren't getting money elsewhere. We can get them on one
year type deals. They'll come in, they'll all compete. Some
of them make the roster some won't, but you're raising
the floor of what the competition level is. There's probably
some of that that goes into these things because again,
I think that the frontline talent on the Jets team.
I mean, there's a lot of a lot of fan bases.
There's a lot of teams that would love to have
Breise Hall and Garrett Wilson and Sauce Gardner and Jermaine Johnson,
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and I mean go down the list and Williams, Williams
and Jamis and they're all like twenty seven or under.
You know, Jamie Shore, what I should have mentioned that one.
I mean, that was a big retention, and he was
somebody I don't think he was on my list of
players who are gonna get more money than you think.
He got more than I thought. You know, yeah, you've
you've got a young core there, and so I think that,
you know, the way that they approached it makes sense,
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which is, we don't need to go sign the big player.
We do need a quarterback, we don't need to go
sign one of these one or two. We don't need
to you know nothing, That's what the Patriots did, But
we don't need to go pay twenty six million for
Millon Williams right now, we just need to get guys
who are competent NFL players, bring them in, raise the
competition level so we're not going so young that it
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really stresses us in terms of not just trying to
set up the program in year one but relying on
a bunch of really young dudes to fill all those spots.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
How big of a moment is this for Justin Fields
early on in his career, former first round pick in
twenty twenty one, of course, started his career with Chicago
Bears last year, as you mentioned four and two as
the starter with the Steelers, had a decision to make
and he picked the Jets.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Well, I think with Justin Fields, if you take the
highlight tape of him, particularly in Chicago, you.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Go, this guy's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
You watch the whole tape, not for me to watch
because I ultimately don't know what I'm looking at, but
if coaches watch it, you just see a lot of
things that they're not necessarily happening on time. He's not
cutting it loose and throwing the ball down the field.
You know, things are not in rhythm. He's great in
terms of being a playmaker, in creating what he hasn't
shown yet is that he can play from the pocket
in rhythm and win with his arm without the threat
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of his legs. And listen, the legs are a huge weapon.
And so that's the kind of the balance that I'm
talking about with Tanner Ingstran trying to find this thing
is going to be how do you play to his
strengths but also develop some of those other things that
if he can start throwing the football better and really
even more so than throwing the footballs we've all seen him,
you know, throw some downfield passes, but also just seeing
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it and getting through the progressions, and how do you
sculpt that around him here? That's going to be the
real test. You know, Justin Fields has a ton of
talent everybody you talk to, anybody who's around him coaching wise,
in you know, Chicago and Pittsburgh. Again, setting aside some
of those shortcoming short game in terms of the work
ethic and the attitude, everybody really likes Justin Fields, which
is part of why Shitka who wanted to do right
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by him and trade them when they did to a
place that he wanted to go. It didn't work out
in Pittsburgh. They still wanted him back over the guy
who finished the season as the quarterback. That again shows
that people like Justin Fields. They want him to do well.
To me, it's going to come down to this. It's
not going to be about his five best plays in
every game. It's going to be about plays six or
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twenty five. Is he making enough of the above the
line throws? Is he making the easy throws? Is he
getting the ball into the playmaker's hands. You don't have
to do it all on your own, right, But can
he get the ball to Garrett Wilson a bunch of
times a game? Can he do those things? That's really
what it's about. The talent's there with Justin Fields. It's
just a matter of being more predictable in terms of, hey,
we call someth this should be an easy reading, easy pass, Yeah,
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execute it. That's been the challenge in his career. If
they can find a way to get him played in
rhythm more, then you could really have.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Some It's an interesting situation, isn't it, Because Engstrand comes
from Detroit Jared Goff completely different skill set than Justin Fields,
and you keep unmentioning Garrett Wilson, who's his stuff receiver,
one of only five receivers in NFL history, started his
career with eighty receptions and one thousands of yards in
each of those first three seasons, and then you got
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Breise Hall in the backfield. You anticipate much more of
an emphasis on the run game here with the Jets offense,
and then the play action that was a big deal
for the Detroit Lions. To anticipate the Jets trying to
take that approach.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Well, you would like to be able to, but a
lot of play action is also the rhythm passing. Yeah,
I mean that's kind of how you're setting things up
and you're freeing people up. I mean, I do think
that there's probably gonna be a run emphasis, in part
because antim you have a defensive head coach who has
a very we're going to be tougher and we are
going to out physical them.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Type of mentality. You're probably leaning more toward running the football.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
But I wouldn't say that it's got to be a
carbon copy of what they did in Detroit, because, like
you just said, they're not the same style of quarterbacks here.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
I'm fascinated.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
I don't know what the offense is going to look
like I don't think you can just put on the
Detroit tape and say it's going to look something like this.
I think that this could be. You know, it's probably
gona be a combination of the different things that he's
done well in his career. I mean Chicago, if you
go back and look at the numbers and his years
as the starter there, they were near the bottom of
the league in passing yards, but there were the league
leaders in rushing yards. I know Luke Getzi got a
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lot of flak there, but if you actually like break
down where they ranked, they ran the football really effectively
without much of a threat throwing the football. So if
you can establish enough of a passing threat while also
running the football effectively, again the style of play that
they want to have, they got dudes on defense at
all three levels. If you can, you know, create that
type of a game, and maybe it is like the
early days in Detroit where they were just trying to
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like turn into a slug fest and you weren't scoring
forty points, you were just figuring it out. It took
a while there too, but if you established that type
of mentality, you take some of the pressure off the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
You know the NFC North quite well, you know the
entire league quite well. Aaron Glenn coming back home to
the New York Jets, what do you make in the
early going of what you've heard from AG.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Well, I think that he's you know, he's a firecracker
as a personality. And I've been to so many practices
where him, whether it was him and Duce Staley, or
was him and some of the guys on staff this year,
and they're just arcing back and forth in between every
rap and it's not anything like disrespectful. It's just they're
creating that energy. They are bringing that energy every time
you see in the meeting rooms, you see it on
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the practice field. That carries over to game day here.
Air is also a very very smart guy and a
good tactician, and I think that that combination, I mean,
these are the traits that the Jets always saw on
him going back to his playing days, and now they're
hoping is really going to set the mentality of this
team moving forward. I mean, nothing I've seen or heard
from AG so far surprises me in the slightest. I
think it'll be fun to see him at the AFC
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coaches and availability this week here kind of holding court.
But he's a natural when you know him a little bit.
I don't know him super well, but just in your interactions,
like you get the same guy all the time, that's
really ag It's the same authenticity that's helped Dan Campbell
be as good as he is, which is Dan Campbell.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
It's absolutely Dan came amble at all times.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Aaron Glenn is the same type of guy, and I
think that for Jets fans remember him as a player
and have been waiting just for some type of breakthrough.
When you see some of the talent they have on
the roster, I think there's going to naturally be a
kind of a rallying point here and it should be
a fun energy in the building comes September.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah, we can't wait for that. You mentioned some of
the Jets young pieces. It's not like this team is
void of talent roster makeup, though, what do you make
of the youthful You talk about youthful exubrints The Jets,
prior to signing Josh Reynolds is thirty years old. The
thirteen free agents, their mean age average age was twenty
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six years old. There are five players on this roster
thirty years and above, and three of them are specialists.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Right, and all those star players we railed off the
top for all, I believe twenty seven and under, including Quinnon,
who it feels like has already been in the league
for ten years.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
And that's right.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Less than that, I mean, that's what you're betting on here.
I mean, listen, I know that there's going to be
people who feel certain ways about Robert sol and Joe Douglass,
but if you look at the core that they've put
in place here, you have an opportunity really to build
off of this. This is not there are times where
a GM and a head coach walk in to a
five win team and it's we got to burn it down.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
We got to get worse before we got better.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah, you moved on from Aaron Rodgers, you moved on
from DeVante Adams, but that was not a contract that
was ever expected to have Vante Adams on the team
this year.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
But you're looking at this and saying, we've got a
chance to go up now.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
We don't need to have that down to go up,
And I think that that makes it really exciting here.
I mean, if you told me, you know the floor.
I have no idea what the over unders are and
anything like that. But like if you told I think
somebody said the other day five and a half, that's
what I was about to g ask you were five
win team last year. Like, I'm not advising anyone to
take the over I'm just saying, if that's kind of
like the baseline of what people think, the talent is
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there to be a lot better, but it is going
to come down to the quarterback position. I think ag
with that defensive group, I do believe they'll come along
quickly defensively, but they always say the offense takes a
little bit longer than the defense. Tanner Ingstrand as a
first time play caller coming in here with a quarterback
who we got to figure out how he fits. We
know they've got the other playmakers here, but that to
me is gonna be the most important relationship in that
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building here.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Is before what do you anticipate with some of those
young guns. Now, I don't want you to go name
by name, but more so a general overall philosophy as
far as Fancy Stingley gets signed, and they naturally are
asking a question, well, was Sauce in the mix for
the Jets, or Garrett Wilson. You mentioned him as well.
We talked about brestall in the backfield and things like that.
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Where do you think the Jets end up in terms
of their approach.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
It's a fascinating question because you know, there are times
where new regimes come in and they pay all those
guys to kind of buy their way on board, and
there's other times where you want guys to come out
and show with the new regime what they can do.
And so you know, to this point, you've not seen
outside of Sherwood, who obviously they had to make a
decision on. They gave him fifteen million a year, which
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is you know, a big chunk of chains, but he
had a lot of interest in him.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
So far, they've not done those extensions.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
I don't think that there's a writer or a wrong way,
and I wouldn't want to, you know, prognosticate it, but
I would say to anybody who's sitting there, if they
don't have a Garrett Wilson deal done or a Sauce
Gardner deal done before training camp and are like, what
are we doing? I would just say, like, there's an
evaluation for this here, you want to build the thing
a certain way. Here, there's nothing to preclude you from
doing deals during camp, doing deals during the season. I
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do think that I think highly of both those guys,
you know, just in my my interactions with them too.
I mean, I really like Garrett, I've met Sauce before,
like they're they're good energy type guys. I would think
those the guys do you want to build around Brese
another one who you know, when he's been healthy, he's
been really really good. And then obviously you got guys
like Quinnin and Quincy and you know, go on down
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the list here. I don't Again, I don't think there's
a writer or a wrong way. I just wouldn't overreact
to however they do it, because there is something to
be said for We've seen other regimes pay guys immediately. Again,
we're gonna pay everybody, so everybody's on board. Well, then
maybe you lose a little that dog eat.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Dog in them.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
So it'll be interesting to see exactly how they approached this,
because as we know, the prices only go.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Up number seven. I don't know if we're going to
see it before the draft, unfortunately, but where we stand
right now, and you look at the Jets roster, some
fans are circling that tight end from Penn State War.
I feel like that's been going for a while. How
about a tackle Erman Membu from Missouri? How about a
defensive tackle? You know, I don't know if Mason Graham's
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going to get to seven or whatever.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
What do you think about the overall interesting evaluation here,
because all the fiscal tools are there, it's going to
be evaluating all the other stuff with him. He could
go in the top tank or Campbell maybe later in
the in the first round. Will Campbell he's got the
t Rex arms. He doesn't actually, but I mean, you know,
is he a garter? Is he a tackle? That's some
of the questions they're going to be asking. You know,
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I could see it going a bunch of different directions.
I mean, you know, hindsight, you go back last year,
there's a ton of talk about Rock Powers, the tight
end has been in there. Powers goes to the Raiders
is one of the greatest, you know, seasons of all time.
Would that have happened with the Jets. It's impossible to say.
You know, having a playmaker at that position certainly would
help if you look at what the Lions have had
at that position. I mean they traded away t J. Hawkinson,
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they brought in Sam Laporto, who is the second round pick,
and they've got a lot of productivity.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Out of it.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Well, I think that, you know, when you're drafted number seven,
there's only so many of those elite type players in
the draft, and some people are gonna draw that line.
I mean the Titans, you just look at their list
of who they've had in visits and whatnot. T Brian
Callahan yesterday he said, you know it's Troy the four
guys everybody's talking about. It's Abdul Carters, Travis Hunter, Shador,
and it's cam Ward. You know that's that those are
the truly elite guys in this draft. So the Jets
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are in that next group. Could you potentially trade down
if somebody one of those core you know, if a
shudoors rights and somebody wants to come up. There's so much,
like you're not high enough on the board to control it.
There's so much that can play out between now and
draft night. Even then when you're on the clock here,
I would anticipate again because they don't have a desperate need.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
They're not boxed in.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
If they hadn't signed Justin Fields, then you'll be sitting
here going. Or they could take Jackson Dart at seven
and listen. They they could so take a quarterback. They
could take a quarterback somewhere along the line here. But
they're not boxed in on anything. They've got enough talented
different positions here. I think that all options are on
the tip.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Hey, you toughed it out here in the humidity, and
you said you're having a bad hair day, but uh,
I think we covered you up pretty well. I probably
appreciate it. Thanks to have great see anybody absolutely here.
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Speaker 1 (17:35):
Judy, is so great to see you here at the
league meetings and what's palm?
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Very nice to be We're in pom beach Man. We're
staying on the west pom side.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Okay, we're pom beach Man. I love it. Yeah. Does
the humidity bother you? Yeah? Come on, you went to Miami.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
I grew up down here, but I mean, what about
my hair, It's a disaster.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Looks fine, Paul Sarah was complaining about his hair as well.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
It's rough out here.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
So Sunday you earn an awfully busy individual because you
talk to a lot of the coaches, including new Jets
head coach Aaron Glenn. How is your visit with Ag awesome?
Speaker 4 (18:09):
He's awesome, As you well know, I covered him as
a player and he is basically exactly the same as
a head coach, like direct to the point and nobs.
He was great. We talked about Justin Field, who he
feels like he is ready to take off as sending
like looking forward to using not just his arm but
his legs in the game. You know he's he's excited
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to get started.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I think, yeah, he definitely is. He's always talking about
getting the guys on the grass and I think all
season workouts begin in Florena Park April seventh, So AG
when he was discussing fields and we're going to talk
to him about it tomorrow and AFC Coaches Breakfast is
actually in a few hours. But your takeaway as far
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as maybe him and a defensive side the ball facing
him in Chicago what has he seen in terms of
his development over the years.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Well, I think he's what he is looking forward to
seeing is more of his development, Like he really he
feels like there's still untapped potential and that he is
ready now to take off, right, that we're finally going
to see. And I think we saw a little bit
of that with Pittsburgh, yep, right. I mean he was
doing a pretty good job running that offense. You saw
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a little bit of the legs, you saw the arm,
and then of course you know, Russell Wilson got healthy
and they made the switch. But I think Aaron, you know,
indicated that he clearly feels like there's much more the
ceiling is high, and that we're going to see more
of that.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
You said he hasn't changed that much. What was he
like as a player?
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Exactly what you have seen publicly, like direct to the point, no,
Like when he was when the when the search started
for the coach and we knew Aaron was going to
be a target. I said to somebody like there was
no b us about Air England when he was a player,
and I would expect him to be that. And you
know he also is Bill Parcells is a mentor and
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Bill Parcells was no bs too.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, but so do you see a ton of parcels
in a g everybody's their own individual and he said
various mentors along the way.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
But it you know, I do though, because built again
no be it like just straightforward, like you know, this
is how we're going to do it. I don't I
think I don't think there'll ever be a discipline problem.
I mean, I think, you know, I do see a
lot of Parcels in him in that He's just going
to tell the players what he expects, what he demands
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of them, and he's going to expect them to live
up to that.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
As someone who covered Parcels, what was it like for
you in that room? And what do you think it's
going to be like for folks who are covering Aaron now?
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Well, covering Parcels was a blast. First of all, Well,
he's I mean, he's fantastic with the media, as you know.
I think people think he was difficult with the media,
but he was a master at the media because he
was I mean, unbelievable stories and a great storyteller, and
he also knew how to use the media to deliver
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a point. You know, which the best of them do.
They know how to communicate through the media to their
own team, and Parcels was really good at that. I
love I still love talking about Parcels. I mean, he's
just phenomenal and he was. I talked to Parcels right
after Ericline got the job, and he was so excited,
and I remember he said, like, you know, he's like
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not afraid to be harsh, like he's Aaron Glenn is
no pushover, like he's not He's going to make his point.
He's going to make sure everybody understands.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Speaking of that, have you seen Glenn making messages to
his team through the media.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
I'm sure he hasn't. Now one is not coming to
mind now that you just put me on the spot.
But I mean that's like Parcels one oh one, right,
like talking to all coaches do it to some degree,
but like that is a Parcels masterclass, and like you
communicate to your locker room through the media.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
So I was just talking to your colleague. Tom. Paula
Sero has said, cover's not bear here when you're talking
about the foundation. What are Aaron Klan and Darren Mugi
embarking upon right now? In year one.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
I don't think it's a complete rebuild. People like, you know, yes,
I mean you change the general manager and the head
coach and obviously the coaching staff changes, and it's you
know a lot of people are the first time in
their roles and so you feel like, well, that's a
rebuild because that's they're probably going to have growing pains.
But there's a you know, the cupboard is not there.
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I mean, no team that has Quinn Williams and Garrett
Wilson and Breese Hall is there. And I'm obviously leaving
out other people and I'm not disrespecting them, but like, no,
you're not. I mean, it's not an empty roster. And
I think, you know, I think what they're embarking on
is I think there's a culture change that was needed.
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I mean, I think like you just need to, you know,
demand some things and expect that people are going to
loll up to them and if they don't, then they'll
be moving on. But they do have some talent to
work with, and I think obviously everything is about the
quarterback and I think if you can get something out
of justin fields and certainly if they can reach the
potential at Aaron clearly feels like is there. You know,
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then they don't have something to work with.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah, people here maybe too much for me because they're
saying that I see it through green colored glasses. But
you got Sauce Gardner and the defensive backfield, you got
Jamie Sherwood who you re signed. You got Quincy Williams
who's all over the place of the linebacker position. You
got his brother, Quinnin who's one of the best interior
defensive players in the National Football League, will McDonald at
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double digit sacks last year. Jermaine Johnson coming back from injury.
Then on the offensive side of the ball, you got
some pieces there at the receiver position with Garrett Wilson,
and then you got Breis Hall in the backfield, and
then they also like the pieces up front along that
offensive line. So right, interesting spot.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
I think, right, and I listen, and I sympathize with
Jets fans because I remember two years ago how everybody's
hopes were high on that includes mine, for what was
gonna happen. I mean, I think we were all very,
very hopeful, and so I understand that everybody is shattered
and beaten down, and it's hard to get your hopes
up again. But I'm not saying they're going to win
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fourteen games here. But you know, but I also don't
think that this is going to be a disaster. Let's
put it that way. How about how about the wind
here by the way, with that, like.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yeah, let's hold this up. It's not going anywhere. Come on, Judy,
that would.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Be something for the Camps. Knock us out.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
A couple of new coaches Nafcy East, Yes, yeah, Mike
Rabel going back to the Patriots. We talked to Rabel too,
Okay here, so give us some insight.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
See, I don't really think of Mike Rabel as a
new coach because he was with the Titans and pretty
successful with the Titans. Look, first of all, I feel
like the Patriots are his dream job. I mean it
is the perfect Obviously, he played there and was wildly
successful as a player there, so I feel like that's
the right shit. And you know, they've got to get
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some talent on that roster too, But they've had They've
been very, very active in free agency. I think they've
spent more money in free agency than any other team.
I'd have to check that right now.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I think that's at one point I was so far
underneath the cat right.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
They had a ton of money to spend, and they've
spent it. They did a lot of work at every
level of the defense. Milton Williams is obviously the biggest name,
but Harrold Andrey too was on there. And then only
a few days ago whatever it was forty eight hours
ago to Stephan Diggs, which is a huge piece, Like, yes,
he's coming back from the ACL and you know he's
a little bit older, but you know he was on
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pace before he had the knee injury last year to
have another thousand yard season receiving season. So that is
a huge piece, in particular for Drake May, who is
you know, young quarterback and you really just need like
that veteran presence who knows where to be, knows how
to communicate with a quarterback. There has been a talent deficit,
particularly on the offensive side of the ball with the
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Patriots for the last few years. Let's face it, even
at the end of the Tom Brady era, Brady was
not happy with the weapons.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Yeah, and that.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Has so that's been an issue for a few years
now and certainly you know, getting stuff on ings in
the building will help address that no matter when he's ready.
It's unclear when he'll be ready.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
So the Patriots said this long run and Buffalo has
been dominating the division of late and they've made a
number of extensions with some veteran players that are not
going to go anywhere, and they got those done early.
That whole draft and developed thing and theme. I think
that's what you're gonna see from the Jets as well,
don't you. One of the key moves here in free
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agency for the Jets was Jamie Sherwood never hit the market,
moves banked himTo his contract. So you get both the
quarterbacks done, you get sure Wood done in the fun
side of the ball than Mike linebacker, and then you
get fields and offensive side the ball.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Yeah, I think first of all, during the course of
this offseason, there's clearly a bit of a youth movement
going on, right. I mean, they've definitely gotten younger mm hmm,
not just at a quarterback position, but they've definitely, you know,
they clearly. I'm sure every coach would say, yeah, we
want to get younger, faster, tougher, but like that's what.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
They're only five Jets north of thirty.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
Right, they're a very young team, which is good because
that means if you have confidence in your coaching staff
that you can develop those guys and then keep them right,
which is the goal of every team.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Right.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
The goal is not to have to be active in
free agency. Like it's great for the Patriots that they've
spent a lot on free agency, but that's because they
needed to because they had real holes on the roster.
They did not draft well for a few years there.
They were not developing their players well. So you would
much rather have lots of young players, guys who then
you need to extend, like Garrett and Sauce and you
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know those guys. You'd much rather be in that position
than not. I mean, if I were the GM. Yes
I'm not the GM. Obviously they know how to do
this much better than I do. But I can't imagine
that again, that the new regime looks at people like
Sauce Gardner and Garrett Wilson thinks we don't want these
guys on and God and great guys like you want
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those people to be the pillars of your franchise because
they're good guys. I mean, I am always struck by
how much Garrett Wilson cares like always been struck by
being in the locker room with him after a loss
and how hard he takes it and how badly he
wants to win, and like, I look forward to watching
him now with Justin Fields, right, I mean, that'll be awesome.
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I'm no Ohio State fan, being a Miami Hurricane, but
I'm kind of looking forward to seeing that.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah, those guys reunite. Yeah, yeah, Listen, Garrett Wilson, He's
just like Aaron Glenn in the sense that he's so
altra competitive the only thing that he wants to do
is win. And then saw us Gardner, almost from the
get go walking into one Jets Drive, said I want
to be here. I want to be a Jet. This
is where I want to be for my career, right,
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And that's.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
What you want, you want people to be. Which is
why I think, which is why I love the Aaron
Glenn higher because Aaron Glenn clearly wanted to be the
head coach of the New York Jets. Yes, he obviously
wanted to be a head coach period, He really he
wanted to be the Jets head coach. He had other options.
He wanted to beat the Jets head coach. And I
think that's meaningful.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
This was not considered overall from a Macro thirty thousand
foot view now standing free A ANDC class, and I
do think there is merit to going about or free
agency and saying, listen, we got to fill some debt
pieces here. Not everybody's going to be a frontline player.
And also Muji, he gives multi year deals out to
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Justin Fields, Jamie Sherwood, Brandon Stevens, everybody else for the
most part is a one year deal. So if those
guys play up and they develop under Aaron Glenn and
his Carty staff, right, he keep him in the house.
If you don't move on, yeah you go, right.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
I no real loss, Yeah yeah it has. It was
not perceived as a very strong free agency class. It's
not perceived as a strong draft class at some positions
like quarterback for example. But you know, and you're right,
So I think the thing to do, especially if you're
a new regime and you're trying to get on the
ground and see what you got is lots of short
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term deals. You know, piece it together, and if it's.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
The right guy, you do give him a long term deal. Absolutely, right,
all right, how do you think Fields is going to
view this opportunity? This is his third team and he
feels like he was drafted a couple of minutes ago
in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
I think I suspect he will embrace this opportunity because
I think not to be you know, not to play
amateur psychiat just here. But like, I think he thought
he had the opportunity in Pittsburgh and then didn't get
the full opportunity too as the starter, right, yeah, he
was doing well. There were lots of people in that
building who believed in him, the team loved him, and
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then they made the switch to Russell Wilson, which you
can also understand, right, But so I think he you know,
he's got something to prove. I think, right, he's going
to be the starting quarterback now. Like so, I think
he will approach this as they believe in me. They're
giving me a chance to be the starting quarterback, and
I'm going to prove that I should be the starting quarterback.
And like I said, Aaron Glenn is psyched about the
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arm and the legs. So I think if we get
to see that sort of I mean, Justin Field is
a wildly talented athlete. Yes, right, I mean he can
throw the ball and when he runs like he's a
phenomenal runner. So are we finally going to see that
kind of game for Jets quarterback because we have not.
That has not been that wave of quarterback play that
has swept through the NFL. It's a fair point we
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haven't really had that at the Jets, So I'm kind
of excited to see that.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Now. There was a stat that glenn is defense coordinator
Detroit faced fields five times. It's three of those games
Fields rush for one hundred yards.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
So you can understand why wants him to be his quarterback, right, like, great,
he knows what right and what a pain in the
necket must be to have to game plan against him.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Okay, So if you're this team, if you're the brass here,
if you're Moogie and AG and you're approaching the draft
in a couple of weeks, what are you thinking?
Speaker 4 (32:29):
I don't know what, I don't I feel like you
just want to get talent. By the way, what is
the siren going off right now? Do I think area
being evacuated?
Speaker 1 (32:39):
My assumption is it is a lightning horn.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Great, because you know what's awesome if people can't see
like we're just surrounded by metal, that's great.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Yeah. Wait, let's get the golfers off the course. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
I think you just need to upgrade your talent wherever
you can. I mean, do they go best player available?
Probably right. I mean, I can't imagine they won't make
a move for a quarterback from where they are right now.
Not early, yes, maybe later in the draft, but I'm
talking about in the first round because I think you
would just have to sacrifice so much to get into
position to get a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Gosh, I don't know where you stand at seven. You
mentioned early in the draft a lot of people been
looking at Penn State tight end Tyler Warren.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
That'd be a nice little way.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
He'd be a great fit because he can help you
in the run games a mall or as far as
the blockers concerned. He also can get it done in
the past game. He might not stretch to feel like
a Boers, but he was ultra productive at Penn State.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
And I always feel like a good tight end is
like the best security blanket, especially for a young quarterback,
right like, which I know you just like doesn't feel
is not young anymore young, but he's not twenty one.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Ye.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
But like for a quarterback who is starting over again,
like there's nothing better than having a tight end that
can you catch the ball and take it a few yards.
That would be gracious or maybe a right cycle. I
don't think you can ever overdo it on the offensive line, right,
We've been through some rough offensive line years, and you
(34:11):
saw that the benefit of having a great offensive line.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
All right, this has been fun. I think we've probably
got to get out of here because of safety concerns.
But I do have to ask you, Yeah, you talk
to Jets brass after they got Mushi Don and Aaron
Glad your major takeaways in the Jets organization and that
process and also maybe moving forward, it was like.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
An incredibly thorough process, like crazy thorough, which you know.
I think it's obviously very disruptive when you fire a
head coach in the middle of the season and then
fire general manager in the middle of the season. But
what it does do the flip side, is it does
give the organization a long lead time to start their work.
Now you can't talk to guys who are currently coaching,
(34:56):
but you can do all kinds of background work which
they did like crazy. The amounts of background work, including
things like watching their old media availabilities, right watching Hard
Knocks highlights so they could see, like what Aaron Glenn
looked like in a meeting room or in a huddle.
You can do all of that, talking to people in
other organizations, talking to people you know that they worked with,
(35:18):
talking to somebody like Bill Parcell's. You can do all
of that if you've started your process. This was an
incredibly thorough process. Nobody knows how it's going to work out,
especially with a first time head coach and a first
time general manager. But you cannot say that they sped
through the process. I mean they turned over every stone.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
You have to speed. You got to get fast out
of here, fast release because we have just been cautioned
here with the horn. I don't know what the hell
is going on, but I think we got to get out.
Thanks Judie.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Great to see
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