February 13, 2025 • 45 mins
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Ma Harrison, Barry Church, former Dallas Cowboys safety.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Yeah, as we dive into for a lot of topics, Sadri. Yes,
the Eagles are Super Bowl champions as heck prediction as
Barry Church, you predicted that they would be Super Bowl champions.
Heckmany you had Philadelphia winning. Yeah that was big man.
Uh Church, I don't know where you were, but you did.
(01:05):
I did pick phil pick Philly to win. So there
you go, so so good on you. Good on, Yes, sir, Yes,
I picked Cansas City and.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Which was confusing, which was I'm gonna go back to
I'm gonna go back to it because you rode so hard,
not just with Jalen Hurst but just with what Howie
Roseman and the Eagles were doing from the beginning beginning
of season.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
You rolled with them.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
And when it got down to the end, you you
you something happened.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I'll redo it again. You got some information.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
And I said, you know the Eagles with their defense,
you know, I love the defense, and but I didn't
trust the coaching taking Andy Reid over Nick Sirianni and
Patrick Mahomes being Patrick Mahomes. When is Mahomes lost these
these types of games. It was when todm brady be
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it when he was in New England and when he
was in Tampa.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
That's when he's said, until I see.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
It happened, I gotta keep rolling with it despite knowing
that you know, usually number one defense Barkley, that usually
gets you done. But and I was wrong. And you
know what, there's two things that happened out of this.
One happy for Jalen Hurts. All the negative stuff that
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it was, you know, pretty fun when you go on
social media and all the people who were.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Killing this key, killing killing this kid man.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
I mean looking at me like that, what did you
you know?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
You know you were you were, you were in the mall.
It was right like January sixth, that you're not gonna
do it? Back up? Back up? Hello, holdo, hold up,
hold up. I was I was all up, all up
you see killing that black quarterback.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
So so it's definitely happy for the kid, yes, may
sci fi man proud, but also just for the fact
that you just when the first.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Time in the Eagles played the Pagers, I picked them
to win.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Okay, maybe if this happens, the man upstairs who owns and.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
The generalman, maybe thattle just kind of hey, man, we
need spend money. Spend the money. Got him because Eagles
spend his money. Spend the money, spend some money. So
what did the Eagle when you saw them win? Are
you okay?
Speaker 5 (03:39):
I'm good, I'm okay now, thank you, thank you for
the been to the Super Bowl now past couple of
years three times.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Two, one, two, and three with two different coaches different,
two different quarterbacks, two differents running backs, basically different different
defensive mind yeah, two different teams kind of you know
you think about it, that's wow.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, he's I guess what's happened when he spent a
little bread man?
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Yeah, yeah, So they hired Dug Peterson and Nick Sirianni
and look what it got on man. During that time,
you had, you know, Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy, But you
had a guy.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Here, Yeah, you had you fight you here, you just
had him here.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
He told to get out the middle, get out here,
don't get out of the building, and he got fired
at the next job he went to.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
He did do that. Then he went to Philadelphia and
ends up. I got come on, we got come on now,
come on. But now while guys y'all gonna start off like, whoa,
what's so on? What can I that? I can't see
that now, man, I can't say that now, what's wrong?
(04:50):
What's the issue? Listen?
Speaker 5 (04:52):
Okay, you were about to ask a question, you get
you got side tracked. Yes, you were asking I forgot
to let him get his flo got know what happened?
Can we talk about what happened?
Speaker 6 (05:04):
Like?
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Look, you know, I will say this. It's hard to
mess up something. It's hard to make it. Go ahead,
go ahead, go ahead. When you have a running game
that allows you to be balanced, allows you come on,
you a defensive guy. So you absolutely saw what play
Action was doing in Kansas City?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Are keeping up? Look, I'll tell you what this is.
What he did.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
He did not get fancy. He stayed within himself. He played,
he stayed true to the scheme, and he didn't double, reverse, flee,
flicker anything crazy. And I give Kellen credit for that.
He did not go away from it. He had he
carved him up. He exposed a lot of what Kansas
City's defense had been doing all season. Okay, but he
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didn't get fancy. And what have we seen Kellen do
over the years get to fancy band in the run?
He stuck to Even with thirty yards in the first half,
he still stuck to the run. And he's still allowed
for Jalen Hurts to do exactly what was in his
wheelhouse and make the throws, not crazy throws, but exploit
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the one on ones.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
He did that the entire game. That's so, That's soll Kellen.
No this one said.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
I'm saying that Kellen through the playoffs, they they went
through a gauntlet also, and so through the playoffs, man,
he played it.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Straight to his vest. He didn't do anything tricky.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
And I think that having Saquon Barkley as a running
back really benefited him.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
I mean, we got we gotta we can't ignore that.
Do you look at the number rushing yards. I can't
remember what it was during the game, but it was
like the most we'd ever seen in a in a
season when you added all of the games twenty five
hundred yards. Yes, they played, they played one more regular
season game. But just from the standpoint of what he did,
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Kellen Moore did a good job in making sure where
they stayed with this is what we do.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
We run the ball.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
This was something that had been used against him that
he flipped the script. And he's now the head coach for.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
The New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
So what he was told he wasn't and could not
do almost fit along there with Jalen Hurts. Hey, they
say we're this. We've just showed you where that and
for the rest of their lives, nobody can say Jalen
Hurts and Kellen Moore can't do it.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
So you hit your fly. I just wanted y'all to say,
the man did a good They hit your fly. He
did agree good job.
Speaker 7 (07:32):
He did a wonderful job not messing it up as
an offensive coordinator. He did exactly what a great offensive
coordinator would do it And.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
I give him credit for that because so many times
we've seen people who have done that very thing and
messed it up.
Speaker 7 (07:47):
Oh, we can go to the Guntlet look at the
Baltimore Ravens and we're going they get to the playoffs,
they think this corference, the cordator thinks he's too good for.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
This, that and the third. We're gonna switch everything up.
You look at the Kansas City Chiefs. Even with Andy Reid,
you run the ball for three times?
Speaker 5 (08:00):
He was were he hell HeLa, hold he holloway wait
wait wait wait wait wait hey, hey, hold on hello.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Andy knew from the first quarter he couldn't run the
ball to Philly. Yeah, twenty five rushes for fifty seven.
You can't run the ball.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
And if you try to run the ball, look what happened,
You got forty burged on you, multiple interceptions.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
We like, you gotta have some type of balance. If
they would have tried to run the ball, they got
to be sixty to twitter.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Do you know what I'll just say, if they tried
to run the ball, it would not have been as
bad because they'd have used more than clock. Okay, but
you were still leading that game because they had that
number one defense on all three levels. Just came vic
vic Fangio. Had he had he had he had the
answer to the test.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
Listen, listen, I ain't not the same hold on but
Vic Dangil had Bluebrint the blueprint.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Hey, but oh it's the Cowboy looked up. But how
hard is it?
Speaker 5 (09:00):
How hard is it when you have Jalen Carter in
the middle of your of your defense being triple team
sweat is eating guys on the outside of me? Come on,
when you got a guy that's a space eater like that,
that's what you need. That's the when we say our
one technique, our three technique, look at look no.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Further than what they're doing in Philly in the middle
of their defense.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Which leads me back to what I was gonna ask.
When you watch this game, what did you see from
their football team that won a world championship that you say, Okay,
this is where the Cowboys need to look at because
the first thing you have to do is try to win.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Your division absolutely right away. You got to do that.
Philadelphia is the standard.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Washington is coming up right behind Philadelphia, and to me,
it's the D line. I have harped on this since
last year doing this show. You you brought in Mike Zimmer,
you didn't have what Mike Zimmer needed upfront at all.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
He liked big people. You didn't have big people.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Then when the people they brought in, these dudes off
couches couldn't really give you much, they gave you what
they could. I'm not gonna get mad at them. They'll
be mad at They'll be mad at folks that hire them.
Philadelphia's front four was able to get after Patrick Mahomes
and allow Zach Bahn.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
And Cooper Dejean to do what they did.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Absolutely, the Cowboys still have an issue, in my opinion,
on the defensive line, where we're talking about these tackles
and the ability to stop, to run and create pressure.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
In the same vein that you're talking about your draft
to beat your division. I'm looking at that game and
I'm saying to any draft expert for the Dallas Cowboys,
it's talking about Ashon gent or any wide receiver and
their first two picks first three, I'm like, you're delusional.
You're not watching what's happening in the NFC East right now.
If you're not talking offensive or defensive line with those
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first two picks, then you're missing the boat. Because what's
gonna happen next year That young defensive line that is
already a Super Bowl champion. They're doing nothing but gaining
more confidence. They're gonna come to the table now. Howie
Roseman doesn't have anything to do but add the more
pieces to what he already has. And we are compromised.
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Off You look at where we are, Zach Martin talking
about you know he will come back, or he's thinking
about what, you know, whatever it is. Where you are
at the center position, where you are on the offense,
at the left and right tackle position.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
You're compromising every way. Coming into a new regime with
a new coach.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
If you do not solidify free agent draft offensive line
and defensive line, you're fooling yourself.
Speaker 7 (11:35):
It's around and to me, I go back to something
I said a couple of weeks ago. One side of
the ball has to become the option that you go with.
And I'm not saying it has to be dominant, but
it has to be head and shoulder above the other side.
Because you have too many holes on both sides of
this football team to be able to say, all right,
we're gonna do it all that once we're gonna fill
both sides. It's just not gonna work out. That way,
you've got to pick a side that you want to
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be dominant and when you want to lean this football
team on. And for me, I'm with NWI on this one.
When you talk about the defensive line, I mean you
got you gotta star and Parsons. We all understand that.
But outside of Parsons, you gotta figure something else out
because we know that one man cannot just you know,
defeat the NFC East.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
You gotta have some help on that side.
Speaker 7 (12:15):
And to me, you gotta make sure you figure out
that defensive line or offensive line because that's where games
are one.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Which is in the trenches.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
So let's take a break. When we come back, let's
talk about some additions that they've made in the coaching staff,
and let's start diving into what we're talking about. Your
big concern your offensive line and being able to get
right in the trenches on both sides. But we'll start
on offense then we'll flip it later on.
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All right, we're talking about the offensive line and talking
about trying to get yourself straight on the trench.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Because you're looking at we're kind of basing this off
Philadelphia winning the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
What are some things you need to do because this
is the standard right now in the league, and how
you do it.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
You gotta win your division.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
So Brian shott Hiven, new head coach, who wants to
run the football that is his history, is bringing in
offensive coordinator Clayton Adams, who was the old line coach
at Arizona. They wanted to run the ball there. Their
offensive line coach is Connor Riley, who worked at Kansas State.
Kansas State, he was played up there. I was at
a game this year up there.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
They run.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
They're good upfront. Cooper bebe or starting center is a
guy that Riley has some work with. So they're going
to run the football. Your concern was the offensive line.
I don't know if they're going to use a top
two draft pick on an offensive lineman. You have so
many holes? What maybe what Brian Schottenheimer and Clayton Adams
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and Connor Riiley are saying, let's look at what we have.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
How do we make it better? Not going to give
up on guy. No, you're not. He's the first round
pick on it.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
And I think if you get you get Will McClay
one on one, he'll he'll talk about it and say,
we we thought this was a project.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
We like the player, and.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
If I just try to be mister positivity, go ahead.
They tell you the biggest growth is from year one
to year two. The process now for Guidon has to
be number one. Look at himself. Are you going to
do the work that needs to be done to get better,
get stronger? Do those things on him? Then the other
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part is the coaches. How did the coaches help unlock
what his talent is? Terrence Steals another question, does this
coaching change help him? If you look at what Arizona had,
they had a mix. You know, they had some they
had some highly drafted guys, they had some they had
some better. You know, they had to mix a guy.
It wasn't just like, hey man, here's here's Zach Martin.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
You know.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
His Travis Frederick and here's times we got three number
one guy. They didn't have all that. So figure out
how you make that mix work, because a lot of
teams have made it work mixing it. So to me
that right there, hekma is what do these three men
do in terms of what they have for right now?
Speaker 5 (18:21):
I think ideally you come into every game telling yourself
that you could run the ball. The Cowboys came with
that approach last season, and they quickly found out that
they couldn't because they didn't have the pieces upfront. And
if you're not going to give up on guid and
that's fine, I'm not asking them too. Just what I
don't want the Cowboys to do anymore is reach in
the draft at the first pick Okay, you've done that
two years in a row. You've reached, reached on a
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guy that was going to be playing in the scheme
that you were not currently playing. You reached on a
guy that didn't have a lot of reps at the
position that you were going to put.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Don't reach.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
If a guy is a left guard in college, he's
going to be a left guard in the pros.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Let's not try and make him a tight end. All right.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Bring this guy in and let him be who he is.
Let his talent flourish right now, guiding wherever he is.
If you listen to the show man, get in the
weight room, getting the weight room, gets stronger, build yourself up,
because I think strength was the biggest part of his
game that was missing, and when he tried to when
he was in, you could just tell he just wasn't
ready for that pro level strength. If they're gonna move
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him out to right, okay, that's yet to be seen.
But Terren Steel, his play has completely dropped from what
we've seen over the previous years. And at this new offense,
this new regime is believing that the Cowboys can run
the ball with the five that we saw last season.
Then how like, what are you gonna do different with
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this group of guys unless you mix in another one
of those players, like you said, Arizona has a mix
of guys. This is maybe a one end with but
you gotta get a dog mentality up front because you
don't have it. Guys were catching all season. Teams were
taking advantage of them, they were sending blitzes. They were
in the run I mean, we're come away with from
games twenty six yards in the rushing games.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
You're heck man, I mean, and I'm not here to
sit up here at all say you're wrong. This is
why there has been a coaching change, and this is
why you're looking at these three new men here, because
you had a guy who.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Was committed to throwing the ball. Ye okay, Matt. I mean,
at the end of the day, we think about Ezekiel Ellie.
In the end of Ezekiel.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
When they hired Mike McCarthy, his contract really became a
bad contract because you went from a running back who's
supposed to be the centerpiece of a team to a
guy who wants to throw the football and his history
was always about doing that. With Brett Fahr and Aaron
Rodgers when he was with the Packers.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
I just want to add this this last piece. All
I'm asking for is execution in the running game. The
new coaches, let's execute.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
That's that's it.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
We find out if we're gonna stay with ric o'dodell,
what type of run scheme works best for him. Every
running back is in one size fits all type runner
and Barkley all you.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
And so God you have Let's find out what this
guy likes and let's execute what he does well. And
that's what I didn't see last season from the running attack.
And when you're not committed to the run and you
let's be honest. Okay, we we didn't sugarcoated on this show.
We talked about, Man, this doesn't look good. Run game
didn't look good. Who what you were trying to run
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out there with these running backs?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Look good? You play fantacy football this year? When when
did the Cowboy running backs get drafted? If they did,
it was late.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
And if you play fantasy football and you and you
live here, normally you get the CD Land win.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Like people the Cowboys get got early and and and
look people looking at running backs. Yeah, you waiver. Why
not the waiver right eventual, let me get right.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
So so even the fans who just playing games, we're like, so,
so figure that out and I'll switch it into this.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Okay. And we talked before Ashton Genty, who heck mccovered.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
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Speaker 2 (22:15):
He could potentially be there at twelve.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Most people who do this draft ranking thing think Ashton
Genty is the best running back in the draft.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
You get a running back of of good talent.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
You see what Sakwon Barkley did in Philly where he
they went Super Bowl to the Giants, where he helped
this sorry team at least just live and.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
When he left he saw it right, fell out of it.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
So a good running back can help your offense, can
help your quarterback, can help your defense because you can
run the ball and take time off the clock.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
I do think they got to get better on the
defensive line.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
But if you tell me they went running back, I
would not HECKMA say oh no, because in some ways,
if you do that part right, you can help your
defensive line.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I still think the defensive line is booty.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
This is not.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
This ain't gonna win.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
But if could you sell me this and me say, okay,
I mean Nate Newton, the great Nate Newton we all love,
won three Super Bowl He's like man Emmet got here
all of a sudden, I was pro. I was the
Pro Bowl lineman before that. You know, when they was
running out Paula, you're too young, Paul Palmer, he was
just the guy.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
He comes in it. Nate hal So So so it's
not it's not that crazy. We saw it with Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Ezekiel Elliott made a difference, and to the credit of
the organization, they decided to run the ball. They're going
back to that. They're saying, Okay, we're gonna make it
a premium. We're gonna figure this out. Awesome Richards, who
we didn't talk about as an offensive lineman. Hacken, there's
another young man to consider that you put in this thing.
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So that's why I'm sitting to myself in maybe offensive
line the first shoe resist is something you need to do.
Maybe you look at what we have like a chef,
what are the ingredients that I got right here? How
got I put the most seasoning here? Or I put this,
How do I help put these guys in better position?
Because right out of the gate, they're going to go
from pass mode to run mode.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
You gotta have more season in that back for sure.
Lowry just put the whole old Bay in.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Like p that holy voodoo to meet chr You got
Uncle White Blanco, whatever you do.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yes, you gotta have season in there.
Speaker 7 (24:34):
Because when you look at when the Cowboys had their
best years when I was here in fourteen, we had
DeMarco Murray, Sure we went sixteen, Ezekiel Elliott showed up,
you know, eighteen they had you know, Zeke near balling
as well. And you look on the defensive side of
the ball in fourteen, you know, we was led by
George menci In, George Selvey, you know, but we had
that on the offensive side of the football where they
can take the time they needed, they can own time
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of possession, and they rested that defense.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
So we had to come out there. We was fresh,
We was ready to roll.
Speaker 7 (25:01):
So that's why when you when you look in the backfield,
you gotta have somebody that's a little bit dynamic. Nothing
against ric O'Donnell, but he was a you know, straight line.
My holes here, I gotta go hit this hole. Sometimes
you need guys that are they're not gonna follow the
coaching exactly right. They're gonna look at it, They're go
and use their vision, and they're gonna make something out
of nothing. And that's what I think we were kind
of lacking last year in the run game, where later
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on in the season, yeah it picked up rical you know,
got over a thousand yards, But when you look at it,
we gotta have that guy to make something out of
nothing that'll make guys mistackles in the backfield. And that's
what Demo and Zeke those are great running backs. Don't
get you a great runningacks, but those were those type
of guys can do to an organization and to an offense.
So to me, you gotta have a little bit more
seasoning back there. So I don't know which way you
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you you dice it first. Do you look at the
officer line, because granted, you know, and and when we
had Demo and Zeke, you had Frederick Zach Martin, the
young Tyron Smith, so.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Maybe they had a lot to do with it. But
to me, I don't know which way you attack it first.
Didn't have a bunch of spares. You had a bunch
of guys.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
That offensive line was what it was, Ezekiel Elliott, he
walked into a great situation with an offensive line that
was pushing guys to the gatorade buckets. I'm just saying,
for a guy like Ashton Genty, what you're talking about
as far as that vision and ability to break off
runs he has that You've seen it at a level
at Boise State, and I think you're almost tempted to
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make that pick at twelve, but you need so many
other things. So if you bring in an Ashton Genty,
how effective can he be behind an offensive line that
wasn't allowing for even a D level running back to flourish.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
I don't want to make an excuse. I just want
us to kind of remember what we saw and what
could be.
Speaker 6 (26:43):
This year.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
You saw a Zach Martin deteriorate.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Okay, absolutely, you were expecting another all Pro performance right guard.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
You did not get it. He was hurt. He's even
talking about not coming back. So that was one spot.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Next to Zach is a center who's never played it before,
who play guard, who played guard, was All American guard
at Kansas State. So you put him at center, so
he had an adjustment and there are times when teams
were able to take advantage of that. Then you go
over to your left tackle. You put a right tackle
in college and a left tackle and he struggled. So
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you had three spots that had warts. BB got better
during the year. Obviously we saw with Geyton there are
times they put Austin Richards there. So that's happened last year.
That's why I talk about these three men here. You're
offensive coach, office coordinator, you're head coach who want.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
To run the football.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
That's their job right now to get in this offseason
and say, hey, what is it that we think we
can do, what we think we can improve and how
can we get these two younger guys better? And oh,
by the way, at Austin Richards into this mix. So
maybe it's between Richards and Geiton of what they try
to figure out at this left tackle spot and then
the center spot. And this would be a great conversation
to have. Do you leave BB there or do you
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put BB it right guard? Or do you decide to
at some point in time to address right guard, do
you go in for it?
Speaker 2 (28:07):
What do you do you have?
Speaker 4 (28:08):
These these are things you've got to try to fix.
But that's the job here, especially as you want to
run the ball.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
And I think to me and Louie, I think from
just my experience, man, I think that run blocking is
easier for offensive linemen. This is something that they love
to do, running downhill on guys. And when you're when
you're a team that doesn't run, you have guys that
don't run block, well, it really isn't.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
A lot of space to go any anywhere else.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
And so, like I said, the execution for me is
give me my five best offensive linemen that love to
get dirty on Sunday, that love to mow guys down.
Because that's what I that's what I saw last Sunday
from Philadelphia. They got to the point, even with Jones
over there, mowing these guys down all the way to
the second level. You know, we didn't get that type
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of aggression offensive whether it was we were playing with
a fifth round guy, none of those. When I think
of offensive line, I'm just saying to myself, at the
least you ought to be able to just go straight
and put your hands on this guy and open up
a hole, or at least give this guy sliver of room.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
We didn't have that.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
And so when I we could go through those awesome Richers,
we could go through all of those different names. But
if we're not putting the five best guys out there
to give us an opportunity to win, and I know
this is just no brainer here, we're fooling ourselves. Man,
We're going back to the same thing. We're gonna have
the same result next year that we had this year.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Y'all. I think some of that was forced.
Speaker 7 (29:38):
Like when you look at just Chris the highest draft
picking there, because when you had a guy in Hoffman.
Now I'm not saying he's the greatest center of all time,
but that was a guy that was nasty, rogue runner
greater and you just just see when he was on
that offsive line when Connor BB Cooper b Cooper Cooper
BB went down whatever.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
That guy had some nasty to him.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
He stepped into the will Awesome Richards played with Camp
like it's just like all camp. And I heard you
talk about Austin Richards during camp, you and Nate talking
about Austin Richards during camp, and then when the season starts,
they put Guidon back in there, and it's like and yeah,
and you, being a former NFL player, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Where guy stock is.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
When he's taken as a first round pick, you're gonna
have more more rope to fail than another guy would.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
And they just didn't give Austin Richards a shot. And
it's a new day.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
It's a new day talking about the Cowboys offensive line
and a commitment to the run game. And I think
we have to start to talk about that when you
start to look at Hope and say, Okay, what happened
under the past under Mike McCarthy's that's the past because
Mike was a passing guy. Now you're gonna bringing Brian
shott Hiber who is committed to the run and the
highers they've made so far. Tell tell Cowboy fans look
(30:46):
for the run. I do think the first thing you've
got to do is look and say, what is in
the toolbox that we have of offensive alignment.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Let's look in here. How do you make some of
these guys better?
Speaker 4 (30:58):
How do you put some of these guys in a
differ position way that look at that, then decide to
make whatever editions you want to. Maybe it's just a
simple as signing. Maybe there's a couple of offensive linemen
that our veterans think about, like a guy like brock Hoffman.
I could easily see brock Hoffman leaving and somebody else saying, hey,
look look at the little bit of nasty and we
(31:19):
want to get asked something.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
We want that.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
So the fact that you're at least saying we want
to run the ball changes the mentality from what you
had before, and you may value some things differently of
what you talked about. Heck, hey man, this dude wanted
to go into he wanted to get getting a dog on.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Phone booth, a fight.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Yeah, but if you if you don't want to fight
because you want to pass like, it's a different kind
of guy. So that's why I'm very eager to see
what it is they do and what the mentality they have.
And then with a guy like Guidon, what can he
do to get better? Tear Steel was had a rough
rookie and then he approved in her too. That's what
I said, And I'm not I'm not trying to be
(32:00):
happy happy go go guy, but I am just saying,
this is what you have to do in the league today.
If you're trying to win, you can't just throw everybody out.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
And go back to Philadelphia people that hadn't even talked
about the fact that their star center retired before the season,
and that wasn't even something that I mean, obviously Saquan
is go back to what Saquon doing in the vision
that you're talking about a guy like that. The hole's
not there, it's over here in his ability to redirect
based off of that. But that's a big hole in
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your offensive line that's missing that seemingly nobody even missed
this dudey.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Hall of Fame center, yes gone, and Kellen Moore and
company plugged it in. Now I'm gonna just say this,
just say this real quick. And we talked about Ashton
Genty HEGMA brings up the great point Hall of Fame
Center gone, outstanding running back there that you didn't miss
him because he's got that much talent that you could
(33:04):
plug in a guy, because when you got that much talent,
you're gonna make that guy look a little bit better.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
Now with Kelsey there, maybe he does break Eric Dickinson's record,
but it was dog gone good enough to put a
ring on you, because that's what a special.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Running back can do.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Lots of great stuff there they're gonna have options in
the first round. All right, we got one more break
to take. Then we'll get back here and dive into
some maybe some defensive stuff here. Also wide receiver. I'm
just gonna throw this out here because we did it
yesterday on the media. Mash so heg Maharrison, Barry Church.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
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Speaker 2 (36:23):
I knew he struck.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
So we had this conversation on the media, mash yet
cowboys at twelve. Now we've talked about trenches, especially considering
what Philadelphia did do trenches, trenchwork.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
The name Teed McMillan from Arizona.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
From Arizona, six foot five, twelve, he came to Fort
Worth to play in Arizona's not good home boy still,
but he's still getting his He is a difference maker.
And then the conversation was hell, okay, heckman, this is
a good right you talked about.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Don't go for me. When you draft for need you
get into problem Tech McMillan.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
If he's sitting here at twelve, a lot of people
think this is the best wide receiver in the draft.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
You do, we do.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
We talked about it with CD in the eighties last year.
If the best player on your board is Tech McMillan
and you're sitting here at twelve, what do you do?
Speaker 2 (37:26):
No, I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 7 (37:28):
If you had a Joe Burrow at the quarterback position,
who we've seen with no offensive line gets getting destroyed
but still able to put up crazy numbers and still
able to carry his team to the promised land. I
would say, okay, go what you need to make his
life easier. But you know, right now we don't. We
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don't have Joe Brow at the quarterback position. And to me,
that means you got a solidifier guys in front. That way,
he can use that play action, he can use some
type of ground game to help this offense be productive.
So to me, like I just said, if you had
that guy in the back there, you know, throwing the
football around, Okay, yeah, do that, but right now we
do we do.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
We don't have that.
Speaker 5 (38:09):
You know, we don't have that souter point that now Well,
the thing is is that Jalen Hurts has given me
the he's given and I'm basing this off of the
talent around him. He's given me hope that Dak could
get it done because of what's around him.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
You need talent, you do. You need talent, and.
Speaker 5 (38:26):
You if I can get a guy that can back
that safety off of CD, if I can get a
guy that can make that nickel corner not double t
if I can get a guy that changes the dynamic
of what defenses are doing to us, then I think
that pick is worth it.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
But you got to be one of those generational.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
Kind of talents that come in and you can have
an instant impact in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
I'm not opposed to it.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
I'm telling you based off of what I see Philly
doing and the Commander's doing. We need offensive line, we
need defensive line. You got to all right, I'm and
I'm with you, but I'm saying a guy that makes
defenses back off. Ashton Genty Again, we don't know what
it would be at this level for him. Obviously outstanding
college career, but you have to have guys. You have
(39:12):
to put talent around Dak Prescott. He doesn't have a
whole ton of talent around him right now.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
Let me take both of what you guys have said
and kind of molded into this. If you used your
twelfth pick on Tech McMillan, this is a draft full
of running backs.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
He's a very good running back draft.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
So if you took a Tech McMillan, you put him
and CD Lamb out there, you go get yourself another
running back.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
We talked before in the last segment about the three men.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Your Schottenheimer, Clayton Adams, and then the old d Old
line coach at k State. Trying to figure out how
you make this group that you have already here of
offensive line, how do you make it better?
Speaker 2 (39:59):
You need talent, I.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Mean just okay, they figure out how to make the
offensive line work with what they've got, maybe ad a
little bit more, but try to figure out what you got,
Ceedee Lamb, Ted McMillan. Let's say you take the kid
from Arizona State, or you take the kids, you take
the kid of Caroline. I mean, there's there's a bunch
of running backs on you and and maybe you give
Rico o'dalald or, you know, a little contract here. This
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does what Heckma talked about. Give him some help. Jared
Golf for two years has looked good because they have.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Given him help along that offensive line, on.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
The offensive line, at the running back position, at the
wide receiver, at the You got a great offensive line,
you got good running You've used first round pick on
running back, first round pick on tight end, your second
round pick was used on a wide receiver. Then then
(40:52):
they to the other cat was good from Alabama. I
mean They've put talent all around it. Jalen Hurts and
what you're talking they've put talent all around it is
a he Iphy ward winning smith. Here's aj Brown, Dallas
Goddard is a good time. I saw him the place
San Diego State when he came to put hoarse play Tacu.
I mean they've put talent right, and then you put Barkley.
Everybody's doing that. Everyone doing not everybody.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
So that's winning. We need everybody.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
I love how you looked at me what I was
talking about, Jaylor Hurson and like where you going with this?
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Doctor?
Speaker 5 (41:24):
I'm just saying, that's what I'm talking about. When it
comes down to those teams are to getting to the
next level. Look at the rams and what they're doing.
They're able to let go of guys or facilitate trades
for other guys because they know the guys that they've drafted.
They still have plenty of talent they you know, on
defense and on offense with pooking the cool and they're
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running back as well. I mean, so teams are able
to bring in quarterbacks or or have a quarterback with
maybe B level arm but man if I can get
guys around you where you just can't message up.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
We can run the ball. We got an offensive line
that can mow you down. You know.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
Look, that's time of possession. Our defense get out of
here and they hunt and they could cover up all
the awards.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Come on, give me that. You gotta have those special pieces.
You look at Washington, those special pieces. They got a
special guy at the quarterback. You got scary tear.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
But if you don't have a quote unquote special guy,
your job is to go put the pieces around the player,
and you give the player enough, then you rise the boat.
In the case of Jalen Hurts, they put enough around
it and when called to make the plays. The guy
in two Super Bowls has out played Patrick Mahomes and
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so give him enough talent.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
And that's that's your thing. If I if I do this,
do that. Don't ask dak to go be Mahomes and
go make guys. Don't ask him to do that.
Speaker 5 (42:47):
And Jalen Hurst showed you that on third down when
everything broke down and he could have made to throw,
what did he do.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
He tucked that sandwich and went ran with it.
Speaker 5 (42:56):
He's stuck with what he does best, and those are
the thing is that just kept pushing Philadelphia forward in
the Super Bowl. He's pushed them forward through the NFC Championship,
through the playoffs. I mean that talent around them, around
Jalen Hurts is the reason why he was the MVP
of the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
Next time when we meet, we'll have to dive more
into the defense and how you help Matt Eberflus And
clearly he needs a three technique, he needs he needs horse.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
To second level. There's there's a lot and that's that's
the thing about this football team.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
Despite Dak Prescott saying this week with Troy Man the
Children's gala that you know they're not that far away
and they beating these two.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Yeah close, it's that new hope that.
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Speaker 4 (00:43):
Yeah, as we dive into for a lot of topics, Sadri. Yes,
the Eagles are Super Bowl champions as heck prediction as
Barry Church, you predicted that they would be Super Bowl champions.
Heckmany you had Philadelphia winning. Yeah that was big man.
Uh Church, I don't know where you were, but you did.
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I did pick phil pick Philly to win. So there
you go, so so good on you. Good on, Yes, sir, Yes,
I picked Cansas City and.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Which was confusing, which was I'm gonna go back to
I'm gonna go back to it because you rode so hard,
not just with Jalen Hurst but just with what Howie
Roseman and the Eagles were doing from the beginning beginning
of season.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
You rolled with them.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
And when it got down to the end, you you
you something happened.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I'll redo it again. You got some information.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
And I said, you know the Eagles with their defense,
you know, I love the defense, and but I didn't
trust the coaching taking Andy Reid over Nick Sirianni and
Patrick Mahomes being Patrick Mahomes. When is Mahomes lost these
these types of games. It was when todm brady be
(01:56):
it when he was in New England and when he
was in Tampa.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
That's when he's said, until I see.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
It happened, I gotta keep rolling with it despite knowing
that you know, usually number one defense Barkley, that usually
gets you done. But and I was wrong. And you
know what, there's two things that happened out of this.
One happy for Jalen Hurts. All the negative stuff that
(02:21):
it was, you know, pretty fun when you go on
social media and all the people who were.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Killing this key, killing killing this kid man.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
I mean looking at me like that, what did you
you know?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
You know you were you were, you were in the mall.
It was right like January sixth, that you're not gonna
do it? Back up? Back up? Hello, holdo, hold up,
hold up. I was I was all up, all up
you see killing that black quarterback.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
So so it's definitely happy for the kid, yes, may
sci fi man proud, but also just for the fact
that you just when the first.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Time in the Eagles played the Pagers, I picked them
to win.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Okay, maybe if this happens, the man upstairs who owns and.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
The generalman, maybe thattle just kind of hey, man, we
need spend money. Spend the money. Got him because Eagles
spend his money. Spend the money, spend some money. So
what did the Eagle when you saw them win? Are
you okay?
Speaker 5 (03:39):
I'm good, I'm okay now, thank you, thank you for
the been to the Super Bowl now past couple of
years three times.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Two, one, two, and three with two different coaches different,
two different quarterbacks, two differents running backs, basically different different
defensive mind yeah, two different teams kind of you know
you think about it, that's wow.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, he's I guess what's happened when he spent a
little bread man?
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Yeah, yeah, So they hired Dug Peterson and Nick Sirianni
and look what it got on man. During that time,
you had, you know, Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy, But you
had a guy.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Here, Yeah, you had you fight you here, you just
had him here.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
He told to get out the middle, get out here,
don't get out of the building, and he got fired
at the next job he went to.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
He did do that. Then he went to Philadelphia and
ends up. I got come on, we got come on now,
come on. But now while guys y'all gonna start off like, whoa,
what's so on? What can I that? I can't see
that now, man, I can't say that now, what's wrong?
(04:50):
What's the issue? Listen?
Speaker 5 (04:52):
Okay, you were about to ask a question, you get
you got side tracked. Yes, you were asking I forgot
to let him get his flo got know what happened?
Can we talk about what happened?
Speaker 6 (05:04):
Like?
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Look, you know, I will say this. It's hard to
mess up something. It's hard to make it. Go ahead,
go ahead, go ahead. When you have a running game
that allows you to be balanced, allows you come on,
you a defensive guy. So you absolutely saw what play
Action was doing in Kansas City?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Are keeping up? Look, I'll tell you what this is.
What he did.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
He did not get fancy. He stayed within himself. He played,
he stayed true to the scheme, and he didn't double, reverse, flee,
flicker anything crazy. And I give Kellen credit for that.
He did not go away from it. He had he
carved him up. He exposed a lot of what Kansas
City's defense had been doing all season. Okay, but he
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didn't get fancy. And what have we seen Kellen do
over the years get to fancy band in the run?
He stuck to Even with thirty yards in the first half,
he still stuck to the run. And he's still allowed
for Jalen Hurts to do exactly what was in his
wheelhouse and make the throws, not crazy throws, but exploit
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the one on ones.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
He did that the entire game. That's so, That's soll Kellen.
No this one said.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
I'm saying that Kellen through the playoffs, they they went
through a gauntlet also, and so through the playoffs, man,
he played it.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Straight to his vest. He didn't do anything tricky.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
And I think that having Saquon Barkley as a running
back really benefited him.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
I mean, we got we gotta we can't ignore that.
Do you look at the number rushing yards. I can't
remember what it was during the game, but it was
like the most we'd ever seen in a in a
season when you added all of the games twenty five
hundred yards. Yes, they played, they played one more regular
season game. But just from the standpoint of what he did,
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Kellen Moore did a good job in making sure where
they stayed with this is what we do.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
We run the ball.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
This was something that had been used against him that
he flipped the script. And he's now the head coach for.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
The New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
So what he was told he wasn't and could not
do almost fit along there with Jalen Hurts. Hey, they
say we're this. We've just showed you where that and
for the rest of their lives, nobody can say Jalen
Hurts and Kellen Moore can't do it.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
So you hit your fly. I just wanted y'all to say,
the man did a good They hit your fly. He
did agree good job.
Speaker 7 (07:32):
He did a wonderful job not messing it up as
an offensive coordinator. He did exactly what a great offensive
coordinator would do it And.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
I give him credit for that because so many times
we've seen people who have done that very thing and
messed it up.
Speaker 7 (07:47):
Oh, we can go to the Guntlet look at the
Baltimore Ravens and we're going they get to the playoffs,
they think this corference, the cordator thinks he's too good for.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
This, that and the third. We're gonna switch everything up.
You look at the Kansas City Chiefs. Even with Andy Reid,
you run the ball for three times?
Speaker 5 (08:00):
He was were he hell HeLa, hold he holloway wait
wait wait wait wait wait hey, hey, hold on hello.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Andy knew from the first quarter he couldn't run the
ball to Philly. Yeah, twenty five rushes for fifty seven.
You can't run the ball.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
And if you try to run the ball, look what happened,
You got forty burged on you, multiple interceptions.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
We like, you gotta have some type of balance. If
they would have tried to run the ball, they got
to be sixty to twitter.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Do you know what I'll just say, if they tried
to run the ball, it would not have been as
bad because they'd have used more than clock. Okay, but
you were still leading that game because they had that
number one defense on all three levels. Just came vic
vic Fangio. Had he had he had he had the
answer to the test.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
Listen, listen, I ain't not the same hold on but
Vic Dangil had Bluebrint the blueprint.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Hey, but oh it's the Cowboy looked up. But how
hard is it?
Speaker 5 (09:00):
How hard is it when you have Jalen Carter in
the middle of your of your defense being triple team
sweat is eating guys on the outside of me? Come on,
when you got a guy that's a space eater like that,
that's what you need. That's the when we say our
one technique, our three technique, look at look no.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Further than what they're doing in Philly in the middle
of their defense.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Which leads me back to what I was gonna ask.
When you watch this game, what did you see from
their football team that won a world championship that you say, Okay,
this is where the Cowboys need to look at because
the first thing you have to do is try to win.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Your division absolutely right away. You got to do that.
Philadelphia is the standard.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Washington is coming up right behind Philadelphia, and to me,
it's the D line. I have harped on this since
last year doing this show. You you brought in Mike Zimmer,
you didn't have what Mike Zimmer needed upfront at all.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
He liked big people. You didn't have big people.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Then when the people they brought in, these dudes off
couches couldn't really give you much, they gave you what
they could. I'm not gonna get mad at them. They'll
be mad at They'll be mad at folks that hire them.
Philadelphia's front four was able to get after Patrick Mahomes
and allow Zach Bahn.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
And Cooper Dejean to do what they did.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Absolutely, the Cowboys still have an issue, in my opinion,
on the defensive line, where we're talking about these tackles
and the ability to stop, to run and create pressure.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
In the same vein that you're talking about your draft
to beat your division. I'm looking at that game and
I'm saying to any draft expert for the Dallas Cowboys,
it's talking about Ashon gent or any wide receiver and
their first two picks first three, I'm like, you're delusional.
You're not watching what's happening in the NFC East right now.
If you're not talking offensive or defensive line with those
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first two picks, then you're missing the boat. Because what's
gonna happen next year That young defensive line that is
already a Super Bowl champion. They're doing nothing but gaining
more confidence. They're gonna come to the table now. Howie
Roseman doesn't have anything to do but add the more
pieces to what he already has. And we are compromised.
(11:12):
Off You look at where we are, Zach Martin talking
about you know he will come back, or he's thinking
about what, you know, whatever it is. Where you are
at the center position, where you are on the offense,
at the left and right tackle position.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
You're compromising every way. Coming into a new regime with
a new coach.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
If you do not solidify free agent draft offensive line
and defensive line, you're fooling yourself.
Speaker 7 (11:35):
It's around and to me, I go back to something
I said a couple of weeks ago. One side of
the ball has to become the option that you go with.
And I'm not saying it has to be dominant, but
it has to be head and shoulder above the other side.
Because you have too many holes on both sides of
this football team to be able to say, all right,
we're gonna do it all that once we're gonna fill
both sides. It's just not gonna work out. That way,
you've got to pick a side that you want to
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be dominant and when you want to lean this football
team on. And for me, I'm with NWI on this one.
When you talk about the defensive line, I mean you
got you gotta star and Parsons. We all understand that.
But outside of Parsons, you gotta figure something else out
because we know that one man cannot just you know,
defeat the NFC East.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
You gotta have some help on that side.
Speaker 7 (12:15):
And to me, you gotta make sure you figure out
that defensive line or offensive line because that's where games
are one.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Which is in the trenches.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
So let's take a break. When we come back, let's
talk about some additions that they've made in the coaching staff,
and let's start diving into what we're talking about. Your
big concern your offensive line and being able to get
right in the trenches on both sides. But we'll start
on offense then we'll flip it later on.
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All right, we're talking about the offensive line and talking
about trying to get yourself straight on the trench.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Because you're looking at we're kind of basing this off
Philadelphia winning the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
What are some things you need to do because this
is the standard right now in the league, and how
you do it.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
You gotta win your division.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
So Brian shott Hiven, new head coach, who wants to
run the football that is his history, is bringing in
offensive coordinator Clayton Adams, who was the old line coach
at Arizona. They wanted to run the ball there. Their
offensive line coach is Connor Riley, who worked at Kansas State.
Kansas State, he was played up there. I was at
a game this year up there.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
They run.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
They're good upfront. Cooper bebe or starting center is a
guy that Riley has some work with. So they're going
to run the football. Your concern was the offensive line.
I don't know if they're going to use a top
two draft pick on an offensive lineman. You have so
many holes? What maybe what Brian Schottenheimer and Clayton Adams
(16:54):
and Connor Riiley are saying, let's look at what we have.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
How do we make it better? Not going to give
up on guy. No, you're not. He's the first round
pick on it.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
And I think if you get you get Will McClay
one on one, he'll he'll talk about it and say,
we we thought this was a project.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
We like the player, and.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
If I just try to be mister positivity, go ahead.
They tell you the biggest growth is from year one
to year two. The process now for Guidon has to
be number one. Look at himself. Are you going to
do the work that needs to be done to get better,
get stronger? Do those things on him? Then the other
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part is the coaches. How did the coaches help unlock
what his talent is? Terrence Steals another question, does this
coaching change help him? If you look at what Arizona had,
they had a mix. You know, they had some they
had some highly drafted guys, they had some they had
some better. You know, they had to mix a guy.
It wasn't just like, hey man, here's here's Zach Martin.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
You know.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
His Travis Frederick and here's times we got three number
one guy. They didn't have all that. So figure out
how you make that mix work, because a lot of
teams have made it work mixing it. So to me
that right there, hekma is what do these three men
do in terms of what they have for right now?
Speaker 5 (18:21):
I think ideally you come into every game telling yourself
that you could run the ball. The Cowboys came with
that approach last season, and they quickly found out that
they couldn't because they didn't have the pieces upfront. And
if you're not going to give up on guid and
that's fine, I'm not asking them too. Just what I
don't want the Cowboys to do anymore is reach in
the draft at the first pick Okay, you've done that
two years in a row. You've reached, reached on a
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guy that was going to be playing in the scheme
that you were not currently playing. You reached on a
guy that didn't have a lot of reps at the
position that you were going to put.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Don't reach.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
If a guy is a left guard in college, he's
going to be a left guard in the pros.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Let's not try and make him a tight end. All right.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Bring this guy in and let him be who he is.
Let his talent flourish right now, guiding wherever he is.
If you listen to the show man, get in the
weight room, getting the weight room, gets stronger, build yourself up,
because I think strength was the biggest part of his
game that was missing, and when he tried to when
he was in, you could just tell he just wasn't
ready for that pro level strength. If they're gonna move
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him out to right, okay, that's yet to be seen.
But Terren Steel, his play has completely dropped from what
we've seen over the previous years. And at this new offense,
this new regime is believing that the Cowboys can run
the ball with the five that we saw last season.
Then how like, what are you gonna do different with
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this group of guys unless you mix in another one
of those players, like you said, Arizona has a mix
of guys. This is maybe a one end with but
you gotta get a dog mentality up front because you
don't have it. Guys were catching all season. Teams were
taking advantage of them, they were sending blitzes. They were
in the run I mean, we're come away with from
games twenty six yards in the rushing games.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
You're heck man, I mean, and I'm not here to
sit up here at all say you're wrong. This is
why there has been a coaching change, and this is
why you're looking at these three new men here, because
you had a guy who.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Was committed to throwing the ball. Ye okay, Matt. I mean,
at the end of the day, we think about Ezekiel Ellie.
In the end of Ezekiel.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
When they hired Mike McCarthy, his contract really became a
bad contract because you went from a running back who's
supposed to be the centerpiece of a team to a
guy who wants to throw the football and his history
was always about doing that. With Brett Fahr and Aaron
Rodgers when he was with the Packers.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
I just want to add this this last piece. All
I'm asking for is execution in the running game. The
new coaches, let's execute.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
That's that's it.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
We find out if we're gonna stay with ric o'dodell,
what type of run scheme works best for him. Every
running back is in one size fits all type runner
and Barkley all you.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
And so God you have Let's find out what this
guy likes and let's execute what he does well. And
that's what I didn't see last season from the running attack.
And when you're not committed to the run and you
let's be honest. Okay, we we didn't sugarcoated on this show.
We talked about, Man, this doesn't look good. Run game
didn't look good. Who what you were trying to run
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out there with these running backs?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Look good? You play fantacy football this year? When when
did the Cowboy running backs get drafted? If they did,
it was late.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
And if you play fantasy football and you and you
live here, normally you get the CD Land win.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Like people the Cowboys get got early and and and
look people looking at running backs. Yeah, you waiver. Why
not the waiver right eventual, let me get right.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
So so even the fans who just playing games, we're like, so,
so figure that out and I'll switch it into this.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Okay. And we talked before Ashton Genty, who heck mccovered.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
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Speaker 2 (22:15):
He could potentially be there at twelve.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Most people who do this draft ranking thing think Ashton
Genty is the best running back in the draft.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
You get a running back of of good talent.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
You see what Sakwon Barkley did in Philly where he
they went Super Bowl to the Giants, where he helped
this sorry team at least just live and.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
When he left he saw it right, fell out of it.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
So a good running back can help your offense, can
help your quarterback, can help your defense because you can
run the ball and take time off the clock.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
I do think they got to get better on the
defensive line.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
But if you tell me they went running back, I
would not HECKMA say oh no, because in some ways,
if you do that part right, you can help your
defensive line.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I still think the defensive line is booty.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
This is not.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
This ain't gonna win.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
But if could you sell me this and me say, okay,
I mean Nate Newton, the great Nate Newton we all love,
won three Super Bowl He's like man Emmet got here
all of a sudden, I was pro. I was the
Pro Bowl lineman before that. You know, when they was
running out Paula, you're too young, Paul Palmer, he was
just the guy.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
He comes in it. Nate hal So So so it's
not it's not that crazy. We saw it with Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Ezekiel Elliott made a difference, and to the credit of
the organization, they decided to run the ball. They're going
back to that. They're saying, Okay, we're gonna make it
a premium. We're gonna figure this out. Awesome Richards, who
we didn't talk about as an offensive lineman. Hacken, there's
another young man to consider that you put in this thing.
(23:59):
So that's why I'm sitting to myself in maybe offensive
line the first shoe resist is something you need to do.
Maybe you look at what we have like a chef,
what are the ingredients that I got right here? How
got I put the most seasoning here? Or I put this,
How do I help put these guys in better position?
Because right out of the gate, they're going to go
from pass mode to run mode.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
You gotta have more season in that back for sure.
Lowry just put the whole old Bay in.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Like p that holy voodoo to meet chr You got
Uncle White Blanco, whatever you do.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yes, you gotta have season in there.
Speaker 7 (24:34):
Because when you look at when the Cowboys had their
best years when I was here in fourteen, we had
DeMarco Murray, Sure we went sixteen, Ezekiel Elliott showed up,
you know, eighteen they had you know, Zeke near balling
as well. And you look on the defensive side of
the ball in fourteen, you know, we was led by
George menci In, George Selvey, you know, but we had
that on the offensive side of the football where they
can take the time they needed, they can own time
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of possession, and they rested that defense.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
So we had to come out there. We was fresh,
We was ready to roll.
Speaker 7 (25:01):
So that's why when you when you look in the backfield,
you gotta have somebody that's a little bit dynamic. Nothing
against ric O'Donnell, but he was a you know, straight line.
My holes here, I gotta go hit this hole. Sometimes
you need guys that are they're not gonna follow the
coaching exactly right. They're gonna look at it, They're go
and use their vision, and they're gonna make something out
of nothing. And that's what I think we were kind
of lacking last year in the run game, where later
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on in the season, yeah it picked up rical you know,
got over a thousand yards, But when you look at it,
we gotta have that guy to make something out of
nothing that'll make guys mistackles in the backfield. And that's
what Demo and Zeke those are great running backs. Don't
get you a great runningacks, but those were those type
of guys can do to an organization and to an offense.
So to me, you gotta have a little bit more
seasoning back there. So I don't know which way you
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you you dice it first. Do you look at the
officer line, because granted, you know, and and when we
had Demo and Zeke, you had Frederick Zach Martin, the
young Tyron Smith, so.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Maybe they had a lot to do with it. But
to me, I don't know which way you attack it first.
Didn't have a bunch of spares. You had a bunch
of guys.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
That offensive line was what it was, Ezekiel Elliott, he
walked into a great situation with an offensive line that
was pushing guys to the gatorade buckets. I'm just saying,
for a guy like Ashton Genty, what you're talking about
as far as that vision and ability to break off
runs he has that You've seen it at a level
at Boise State, and I think you're almost tempted to
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make that pick at twelve, but you need so many
other things. So if you bring in an Ashton Genty,
how effective can he be behind an offensive line that
wasn't allowing for even a D level running back to flourish.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
I don't want to make an excuse. I just want
us to kind of remember what we saw and what
could be.
Speaker 6 (26:43):
This year.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
You saw a Zach Martin deteriorate.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Okay, absolutely, you were expecting another all Pro performance right guard.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
You did not get it. He was hurt. He's even
talking about not coming back. So that was one spot.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Next to Zach is a center who's never played it before,
who play guard, who played guard, was All American guard
at Kansas State. So you put him at center, so
he had an adjustment and there are times when teams
were able to take advantage of that. Then you go
over to your left tackle. You put a right tackle
in college and a left tackle and he struggled. So
(27:20):
you had three spots that had warts. BB got better
during the year. Obviously we saw with Geyton there are
times they put Austin Richards there. So that's happened last year.
That's why I talk about these three men here. You're
offensive coach, office coordinator, you're head coach who want.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
To run the football.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
That's their job right now to get in this offseason
and say, hey, what is it that we think we
can do, what we think we can improve and how
can we get these two younger guys better? And oh,
by the way, at Austin Richards into this mix. So
maybe it's between Richards and Geiton of what they try
to figure out at this left tackle spot and then
the center spot. And this would be a great conversation
to have. Do you leave BB there or do you
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put BB it right guard? Or do you decide to
at some point in time to address right guard, do
you go in for it?
Speaker 2 (28:07):
What do you do you have?
Speaker 4 (28:08):
These these are things you've got to try to fix.
But that's the job here, especially as you want to
run the ball.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
And I think to me and Louie, I think from
just my experience, man, I think that run blocking is
easier for offensive linemen. This is something that they love
to do, running downhill on guys. And when you're when
you're a team that doesn't run, you have guys that
don't run block, well, it really isn't.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
A lot of space to go any anywhere else.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
And so, like I said, the execution for me is
give me my five best offensive linemen that love to
get dirty on Sunday, that love to mow guys down.
Because that's what I that's what I saw last Sunday
from Philadelphia. They got to the point, even with Jones
over there, mowing these guys down all the way to
the second level. You know, we didn't get that type
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of aggression offensive whether it was we were playing with
a fifth round guy, none of those. When I think
of offensive line, I'm just saying to myself, at the
least you ought to be able to just go straight
and put your hands on this guy and open up
a hole, or at least give this guy sliver of room.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
We didn't have that.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
And so when I we could go through those awesome Richers,
we could go through all of those different names. But
if we're not putting the five best guys out there
to give us an opportunity to win, and I know
this is just no brainer here, we're fooling ourselves. Man,
We're going back to the same thing. We're gonna have
the same result next year that we had this year.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Y'all. I think some of that was forced.
Speaker 7 (29:38):
Like when you look at just Chris the highest draft
picking there, because when you had a guy in Hoffman.
Now I'm not saying he's the greatest center of all time,
but that was a guy that was nasty, rogue runner
greater and you just just see when he was on
that offsive line when Connor BB Cooper b Cooper Cooper
BB went down whatever.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
That guy had some nasty to him.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
He stepped into the will Awesome Richards played with Camp
like it's just like all camp. And I heard you
talk about Austin Richards during camp, you and Nate talking
about Austin Richards during camp, and then when the season starts,
they put Guidon back in there, and it's like and yeah,
and you, being a former NFL player, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Where guy stock is.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
When he's taken as a first round pick, you're gonna
have more more rope to fail than another guy would.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
And they just didn't give Austin Richards a shot. And
it's a new day.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
It's a new day talking about the Cowboys offensive line
and a commitment to the run game. And I think
we have to start to talk about that when you
start to look at Hope and say, Okay, what happened
under the past under Mike McCarthy's that's the past because
Mike was a passing guy. Now you're gonna bringing Brian
shott Hiber who is committed to the run and the
highers they've made so far. Tell tell Cowboy fans look
(30:46):
for the run. I do think the first thing you've
got to do is look and say, what is in
the toolbox that we have of offensive alignment.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Let's look in here. How do you make some of
these guys better?
Speaker 4 (30:58):
How do you put some of these guys in a
differ position way that look at that, then decide to
make whatever editions you want to. Maybe it's just a
simple as signing. Maybe there's a couple of offensive linemen
that our veterans think about, like a guy like brock Hoffman.
I could easily see brock Hoffman leaving and somebody else saying, hey,
look look at the little bit of nasty and we
(31:19):
want to get asked something.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
We want that.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
So the fact that you're at least saying we want
to run the ball changes the mentality from what you
had before, and you may value some things differently of
what you talked about. Heck, hey man, this dude wanted
to go into he wanted to get getting a dog on.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Phone booth, a fight.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Yeah, but if you if you don't want to fight
because you want to pass like, it's a different kind
of guy. So that's why I'm very eager to see
what it is they do and what the mentality they have.
And then with a guy like Guidon, what can he
do to get better? Tear Steel was had a rough
rookie and then he approved in her too. That's what
I said, And I'm not I'm not trying to be
(32:00):
happy happy go go guy, but I am just saying,
this is what you have to do in the league today.
If you're trying to win, you can't just throw everybody out.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
And go back to Philadelphia people that hadn't even talked
about the fact that their star center retired before the season,
and that wasn't even something that I mean, obviously Saquan
is go back to what Saquon doing in the vision
that you're talking about a guy like that. The hole's
not there, it's over here in his ability to redirect
based off of that. But that's a big hole in
(32:33):
your offensive line that's missing that seemingly nobody even missed
this dudey.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Hall of Fame center, yes gone, and Kellen Moore and
company plugged it in. Now I'm gonna just say this,
just say this real quick. And we talked about Ashton
Genty HEGMA brings up the great point Hall of Fame
Center gone, outstanding running back there that you didn't miss
him because he's got that much talent that you could
(33:04):
plug in a guy, because when you got that much talent,
you're gonna make that guy look a little bit better.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
Now with Kelsey there, maybe he does break Eric Dickinson's record,
but it was dog gone good enough to put a
ring on you, because that's what a special.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Running back can do.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Lots of great stuff there they're gonna have options in
the first round. All right, we got one more break
to take. Then we'll get back here and dive into
some maybe some defensive stuff here. Also wide receiver. I'm
just gonna throw this out here because we did it
yesterday on the media. Mash so heg Maharrison, Barry Church.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
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Speaker 4 (36:24):
So we had this conversation on the media, mash yet
cowboys at twelve. Now we've talked about trenches, especially considering
what Philadelphia did do trenches, trenchwork.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
The name Teed McMillan from Arizona.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
From Arizona, six foot five, twelve, he came to Fort
Worth to play in Arizona's not good home boy still,
but he's still getting his He is a difference maker.
And then the conversation was hell, okay, heckman, this is
a good right you talked about.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Don't go for me. When you draft for need you
get into problem Tech McMillan.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
If he's sitting here at twelve, a lot of people
think this is the best wide receiver in the draft.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
You do, we do.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
We talked about it with CD in the eighties last year.
If the best player on your board is Tech McMillan
and you're sitting here at twelve, what do you do?
Speaker 2 (37:26):
No, I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 7 (37:28):
If you had a Joe Burrow at the quarterback position,
who we've seen with no offensive line gets getting destroyed
but still able to put up crazy numbers and still
able to carry his team to the promised land. I
would say, okay, go what you need to make his
life easier. But you know, right now we don't. We
(37:49):
don't have Joe Brow at the quarterback position. And to me,
that means you got a solidifier guys in front. That way,
he can use that play action, he can use some
type of ground game to help this offense be productive.
So to me, like I just said, if you had
that guy in the back there, you know, throwing the
football around, Okay, yeah, do that, but right now we
do we do.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
We don't have that.
Speaker 5 (38:09):
You know, we don't have that souter point that now Well,
the thing is is that Jalen Hurts has given me
the he's given and I'm basing this off of the
talent around him. He's given me hope that Dak could
get it done because of what's around him.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
You need talent, you do. You need talent, and.
Speaker 5 (38:26):
You if I can get a guy that can back
that safety off of CD, if I can get a
guy that can make that nickel corner not double t
if I can get a guy that changes the dynamic
of what defenses are doing to us, then I think
that pick is worth it.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
But you got to be one of those generational.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
Kind of talents that come in and you can have
an instant impact in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
I'm not opposed to it.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
I'm telling you based off of what I see Philly
doing and the Commander's doing. We need offensive line, we
need defensive line. You got to all right, I'm and
I'm with you, but I'm saying a guy that makes
defenses back off. Ashton Genty Again, we don't know what
it would be at this level for him. Obviously outstanding
college career, but you have to have guys. You have
(39:12):
to put talent around Dak Prescott. He doesn't have a
whole ton of talent around him right now.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
Let me take both of what you guys have said
and kind of molded into this. If you used your
twelfth pick on Tech McMillan, this is a draft full
of running backs.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
He's a very good running back draft.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
So if you took a Tech McMillan, you put him
and CD Lamb out there, you go get yourself another
running back.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
We talked before in the last segment about the three men.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Your Schottenheimer, Clayton Adams, and then the old d Old
line coach at k State. Trying to figure out how
you make this group that you have already here of
offensive line, how do you make it better?
Speaker 2 (39:59):
You need talent, I.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Mean just okay, they figure out how to make the
offensive line work with what they've got, maybe ad a
little bit more, but try to figure out what you got,
Ceedee Lamb, Ted McMillan. Let's say you take the kid
from Arizona State, or you take the kids, you take
the kid of Caroline. I mean, there's there's a bunch
of running backs on you and and maybe you give
Rico o'dalald or, you know, a little contract here. This
(40:23):
does what Heckma talked about. Give him some help. Jared
Golf for two years has looked good because they have.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Given him help along that offensive line, on.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
The offensive line, at the running back position, at the
wide receiver, at the You got a great offensive line,
you got good running You've used first round pick on
running back, first round pick on tight end, your second
round pick was used on a wide receiver. Then then
(40:52):
they to the other cat was good from Alabama. I
mean They've put talent all around it. Jalen Hurts and
what you're talking they've put talent all around it is
a he Iphy ward winning smith. Here's aj Brown, Dallas
Goddard is a good time. I saw him the place
San Diego State when he came to put hoarse play Tacu.
I mean they've put talent right, and then you put Barkley.
Everybody's doing that. Everyone doing not everybody.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
So that's winning. We need everybody.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
I love how you looked at me what I was
talking about, Jaylor Hurson and like where you going with this?
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Doctor?
Speaker 5 (41:24):
I'm just saying, that's what I'm talking about. When it
comes down to those teams are to getting to the
next level. Look at the rams and what they're doing.
They're able to let go of guys or facilitate trades
for other guys because they know the guys that they've drafted.
They still have plenty of talent they you know, on
defense and on offense with pooking the cool and they're
(41:44):
running back as well. I mean, so teams are able
to bring in quarterbacks or or have a quarterback with
maybe B level arm but man if I can get
guys around you where you just can't message up.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
We can run the ball. We got an offensive line
that can mow you down. You know.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
Look, that's time of possession. Our defense get out of
here and they hunt and they could cover up all
the awards.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Come on, give me that. You gotta have those special pieces.
You look at Washington, those special pieces. They got a
special guy at the quarterback. You got scary tear.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
But if you don't have a quote unquote special guy,
your job is to go put the pieces around the player,
and you give the player enough, then you rise the boat.
In the case of Jalen Hurts, they put enough around
it and when called to make the plays. The guy
in two Super Bowls has out played Patrick Mahomes and
(42:36):
so give him enough talent.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
And that's that's your thing. If I if I do this,
do that. Don't ask dak to go be Mahomes and
go make guys. Don't ask him to do that.
Speaker 5 (42:47):
And Jalen Hurst showed you that on third down when
everything broke down and he could have made to throw,
what did he do.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
He tucked that sandwich and went ran with it.
Speaker 5 (42:56):
He's stuck with what he does best, and those are
the thing is that just kept pushing Philadelphia forward in
the Super Bowl. He's pushed them forward through the NFC Championship,
through the playoffs. I mean that talent around them, around
Jalen Hurts is the reason why he was the MVP
of the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
Next time when we meet, we'll have to dive more
into the defense and how you help Matt Eberflus And
clearly he needs a three technique, he needs he needs horse.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
To second level. There's there's a lot and that's that's
the thing about this football team.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
Despite Dak Prescott saying this week with Troy Man the
Children's gala that you know they're not that far away
and they beating these two.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Yeah close, it's that new hope that.
Speaker 11 (43:50):
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Speaker 2 (43:51):
That was, But we get to that next that man
like oh Barry Liz ran Soundine on TV match trying
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