November 20, 2025 • 46 mins
Newy Scruggs, Barry Church, Damontre Moore and Anthony Dorsett discuss latest Dallas Cowboys news and notes on The Player's Lounge.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
This is the Players Lounge, broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys
world headquarters at the Star. Now your hosts, Barry Church,
Anthony dor set De, Montrey Moore, and New He scrugs.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Here we are.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Everybody welcome into the Players Lounge. We are here at
the Star in Frisco, Texas's headquarters of Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (00:35):
Know the crew.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Anthony Dorset sporting his former team here the oh he
was not a Las Vegas Raiders.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
Oh Oakland Raider? Who playton?
Speaker 4 (00:46):
We got former Dallas Cowboy, former Dallas Cowboy, Barry Church.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
Pastor all dressed up chocolate.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
I am knocking new He scrugs, here for the conversation
and not playing. So gentlemen, it's raining outside. The cowboys
are outside practicing.
Speaker 6 (01:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Here we go, Here we go, come on, so here
we go.
Speaker 7 (01:16):
This this, this, let me jump into this right now ahead,
y'all soft in the molly.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Rising man who cares first of the benefit of It's
a flood warning in the area.
Speaker 6 (01:32):
Where's the flooded out out there?
Speaker 8 (01:33):
I'm just saying what the what's the benefits, man, Like,
what's the You're playing indoors the next like three three.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
Games, Jerry might be opening up the roof.
Speaker 9 (01:44):
Up.
Speaker 8 (01:45):
Man.
Speaker 7 (01:46):
That's the first thing I said when I came in.
I'm like, Okay, it's raining, so they out there or.
Speaker 10 (01:50):
Maybe they're gonna open it up.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Man.
Speaker 10 (01:52):
But at the end of the day, what did you
say before we came on?
Speaker 8 (01:56):
You gotta you gotta play, bro, You gotta you gotta
go through the elements.
Speaker 9 (01:59):
You gotta you.
Speaker 8 (02:00):
Gotta have a little put you in the elements that
you don't know everybody's been in there forever. And I honestly,
I didn't even think about it that deep when you
were saying that and like, oh, Jerry's gonna let open
the dome. I'm thinking like, hey, shot, he's coming from
a competitive environment.
Speaker 9 (02:16):
Hey get out there.
Speaker 8 (02:18):
We're gonna make you practice tougher than what it is
for when you get out there. But this is a
you're playing the Eagles. They got everything this week, you
got Jaalen Carter. It's like, give yourself the competitive air.
So he might be playing and rain giving you a competitive.
Speaker 11 (02:31):
You open up if you open up the dome You've
been here for decades when it was a thunderstorm. Has
has Jerry ever opened up the roof when it's raining?
Speaker 6 (02:41):
Where is it right now?
Speaker 9 (02:44):
It's raining raining.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
I had an hour drive before work.
Speaker 6 (02:50):
When I came in, it wasn't it wasn't raining.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
My line is definitely slick out there. So I just
asked the question. You were here church, they were, They
were here early. So I just asked him.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
I said, help me, And I asked producer Chris, I'm
just asking a question. Okay, I don't I didn't play.
Speaker 10 (03:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
They have they have built the force, they have built in.
Speaker 8 (03:13):
Your atility, and that's what I said. I'm with you, though,
Barry on this. Like I understand trying to get the
competitive edge or whatever the case may be, if you
do let the top open, but where you're at right now,
we can't afford those injuries, like because it is the
pattern is going to be that good to where we're
gonna win. But say we go out there and yeah,
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they're not in full past. They're just in hell men say,
and your T shirts and stuff, but it go up there,
catch one catch it. Somebody reaggravate something not gonna but
that's when it's like this was dumb, Like what was
it the jayde and Daniels thing where you sit there saying, oh,
he shouldn't have been in late in the game, and
then like hindsight twenty twenty.
Speaker 7 (03:55):
That's I say this, you know, and y'all know shoddy
and you know and everything else like that. I really
don't think that if it was going to be something
that was going to slow down the speed of practice
or actually like impair practice in any kind of way,
that they would still be out there, Like I think
it'll be real easy, like yo, just take it inside.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
You know, which is true.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
So I just wanted to ask the question says, you know,
we saw.
Speaker 7 (04:22):
I'm not saying that when when did it get to
be so soft that like just because it's and like
I said, it wasn't raining when I pulled in, so
when y'all came in, it might be a little bit different.
Speaker 9 (04:31):
You know, get that. I tell you what.
Speaker 8 (04:33):
It got to be soft when you bought these amenities
that you have, when you got a nice indoor like
that that barely get used.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
It's like, which is why they you know, built it.
That was one of the things. Oh well, we need,
we need to be able to go indoors and implement.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
Whether that was that's part of it.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
That was all, especially when they were back at at
at Valley and they.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Had to go on over the Highland Park to go practice.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
So anyway, just just use the parts.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Now, that was the year before I got that situation.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
I was going up that day because it was it
was another O t A. It was like the final
ots started to go up there and I was like,
you know what, I'm gonna sit right here on this
couch and then looked up and saw everything that happened, man.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
And yeah, it was. That was brutal.
Speaker 9 (05:18):
It was.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
It was an awful day. It was an awful day.
And yeah, so uh no, I won't forget it. I
don't forget those that were you know, injured in that.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
It was.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
It was traumatic.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
But anyway, the Cowboys built the star for, you know,
to be able to have that option. So Brian Shot,
the head coach, decided not to take the option. So
the Cowboys were four or five and one taking on
the Eagles, and Matt Eberflus, the defensive coordinator, got a
little bit of help.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
Against your raiders.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
They did well, so Ibra Flues met the meeting and
he was asked, you know, was what was it like
in the office when they said that, hey man, we
traded for defensive tackle Quinny Williams, And he said, quote,
you could have heard a big yell. It was an
exciting time for sure. Then he went on to say
q has played in the attack front, so he knows it.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
The verbiage is.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Very similar having Aaron white Cott in here with him.
It's crazy how things work out. It's been a very
easy transition for him. He's a true pro. He helps everybody,
not just with his talent and his play, but he's
coaching on the sideline. When you have the best players
on the field practicing like Williams, everyone else follows. When
your most talented guys do that, it has a big
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effect on the.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Whole football team.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
And he also said that defensive tackles Kenny Clark and
Osa Digzoo also graded out very well in their first
Monday night game together along with Williams.
Speaker 11 (06:41):
The Gazoo was that PFFS top graded.
Speaker 8 (06:45):
Guys, the two top graded defense right here at the start,
so you know newly you wasn't here. But the question
was proposed to Bury last with all of us, but
it was just like, do you think somebody can come
in and be a leader right away week one? And
me and Ad was like, you can being the player
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that you are, your resume already being there, but also
just leading by example. And I think we seem to
effect this weekend. So it's like now with a week
going past it, Barry.
Speaker 11 (07:16):
Yeah, that's that was one of my answers, was you know,
leading by example, because I mean you see it, like
you see him going out there dominating the way he
did on that interior line.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
But not only that.
Speaker 11 (07:26):
I mean there's clips from the sideline where he's coming
off the field with the young Donovhan Azerakle, young rookie
defensive end, and.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
On the way up he's coaching him up. He's like, man, yeah,
you should have hit this inside move right there.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
That's when you want to get the pressure.
Speaker 11 (07:40):
When I have that guard or whatever going backwards like
that you get on the inside.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
So he's coaching these guys up, He's he's giving.
Speaker 11 (07:46):
Them that on field coaching, like he's an extension of
the coaching staff, And that's what you hadn't had on
this defense all all season long. To me, it looked
like this defense was just everybody was too afraid to
talk because they didn't have the confidence to go out
there and pretty much vocalize what they want to do
out there. Now with Williams in there, established guy, all pro,
perennial all Pro guy, one of the best defensive tackles
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international Football League, came from the elite program, and he
came exactly so you know, you still undefeated, but he's
going to sting man.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
He's definitely doing this thing.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Out there, Dak Prescott said in Vegas spun in after
the game. We asked him about Quinn and he just
talked about how he said, hey, man, I have to
get here earlier because he's already here. He's setting the tone.
He says, I'm learning from him. And so when Quentin
met with the media yesterday, I asked him about the
comment that Dak said. He said, Man, I'm just he says,
I'm just trying to be me, and then he went
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on to talk about what a great leader Dak was.
So this is one of those things and you guys played,
have played and been in the rooms where you make
a trade and you know what you see on tape
of the talent. But then when you add more than Hey,
here's a guy that's bringing his lunch pale, showing everybody
this is what I'm doing. You can talk all day, love,
but are you about the work? He's about the work.
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He's serious business. And then where I'll give guys in
the room credit like a Kenny Clark and the Osu,
a Diggi Zua that they really like, Hey, man, dude,
you can make my job easier. Yeah, I mean you
played d tackle. You know, dream is one on one.
Dreams one on one is because they're doubling Q. They
out there with choking him on one play and he's
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still out here recond shots.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
So Quinn Q is going to get double. That means
you're free.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
So if you're able to get free, that's when we
saw Houston get back there or Diggi zuas be able
to play. This is a trade that, when you think
about it, they had to give up next year's two.
They're not going to find a player in the second
round that's as good as Quinn, and then they're going
to give up a one. If you get a player
who can do all of that beat dominant elite player
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on the football field on his prime and affect the
room where everybody's like, that's the guy you pay the prime.
Speaker 8 (09:59):
In my opinion, yeah, it's it's still it's still to
be still to be seen. But right now at the
initial start, especially just for the coming out party, it's like,
right now it's starting to look.
Speaker 9 (10:09):
Like the Cowboys have one.
Speaker 8 (10:11):
Because when you think about it, you said, this was
the argument with Kenny Clark coming in here.
Speaker 9 (10:16):
Kenny Clark, naturally he made a.
Speaker 8 (10:17):
Couple of people better, but it was like, ah, is
he good enough to make a defense better? Well, you've
seen that from day one. You've seen the man Kwinn
Williams come in here, have not only one and a
half sacks, not only have the production, but naturally, like
you said, made everybody else better around him, and the
defense significantly got better. Now the real test is going
against the Eagles this week. But to come and play
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a penetration defense and think about how dominating he is one,
I'm excited I think he won, but then also too,
it makes me have another question that I want to
ask y'all. As or as defensive former players. We talked
about eber Flu's defense not being that complex. We're talking
about Quinn winhas coming in here doing what he's doing
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and for him to significantly make this defense better. And
then you see a guy like Carson come off of
ir play every snap. Was the scheme really that difficult?
Or was it the players?
Speaker 5 (11:14):
Man, Carpenter? The carpenter's too.
Speaker 10 (11:16):
So this is what I'm seeing, all right?
Speaker 7 (11:20):
Like start like you always like with basketball, I had
to tell my son, like, Okay, the point guard is
basically like the coach's brain on the court, all right,
So flus has been looking for that that that that
that person in that defense that could be basically his
brain on the field more so than anything.
Speaker 9 (11:36):
Right.
Speaker 7 (11:36):
So what I'm seeing, of course is with like, okay,
the Kenney Clark edition was definitely one of them, but
then who to bring quinning it? But now with this linebacker, okay,
all right, so now we got somebody who could actually
start start getting guys lined up pre snapped and start
calling over some players pre snap and everything like that.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
What I'm seeing now is just like what you said.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
The carpenter got his tools, bro, and it's a totally
different ball game. You know what they say, it ain't
no fun When the rabbit got the gun, and right
now the Cowboys seemed like they got the gun.
Speaker 10 (12:03):
But this week right.
Speaker 7 (12:04):
Here, you can't. You can't, you can't bush at all.
You got call it what it is. This is going
to be one that this is, this is the test
all right at to this point right here, you know,
and especially with the additions, this is going to be major.
But I'm excited, you know what I'm saying, And I'm
really excited to see just like what you guys have
talked about this whole season, Flus got this defense that
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if you can ball, you can just go downhill and
make plays.
Speaker 10 (12:28):
And it's looking like that's where they're headed right now.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
And we y'all play defense. Y'all understand this.
Speaker 11 (12:34):
When you see a couple of cats balling out on
that defensive side of the football, you don't want to
be that guy that's that's left out. You don't want
to be that guy that's like, man, you know what
Williams that made of played? Oh the Yazua made a play.
These guys over there breaking up passes, I'm just out there.
You don't want to go into that film session. Everybody's like, yeah,
you see my past break up, now you see my
sack out there.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, yea, that's all all that, man. Yeah.
Speaker 11 (12:56):
Yeah, So it's forcing everybody out there to raise Yeah exactly,
it's raising what they call force multiplier, whatever the case
may be. He's forcing everybody to raise their game, which
is which is awesome for.
Speaker 7 (13:06):
The and that's what you want to have. You want
to have that type of defense that it's like, oh
you just made that big hit.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Oh okay, watch.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
So that right there, that competition in that room.
Speaker 10 (13:18):
Let's let's go.
Speaker 8 (13:19):
You gotta saying in the D line, sacks come in bunches,
and when you've seen that, the sax was coming in
the overflow, but it wasn't even that like like they
say in church, when you get that overflow, what they say,
tips and overthrows got to get them.
Speaker 9 (13:32):
And you've seen that in the back.
Speaker 8 (13:33):
So it's fronting and helping the back to back end
and helping the front and it's really complimentary football. So
back to what you originally said, like that's all right.
Now it's looking like the Cowboys is one and Jerry's
right when he said help is on the way. I
could do the trading and stuff like that, because Quinn
Williams not just him Logan as well, because he was
another key component in that trade. But all the pieces
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that he have added, it's starting to look like they
got a complete def It's right.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
This is one week.
Speaker 9 (14:01):
It's one week.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
It's the Raiders.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Raiders are one of the worst teams in the National
Football League. But I also say this, you couldn't beat Arizona.
It's one of the worst teams in the league right
now either. So at least you started right here. Quinton Williams,
Quentin Williams, Quinn Williams has already made his his impact there.
The test for the Cowboys and even when the you
know when DQ was here, can you beat good teams?
Speaker 5 (14:23):
That has been the issue.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
So they get Philadelphia coming here, who's in first place,
who's had some issues. This is not the team that
won the Super Bowl last year. This is not Saquon
Barkley who was challenging for the uh season record and rushing.
This is a different football team. How do they respond?
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
It's going to be a challenge up front. We talked
about yesterday.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
So when I was in the locker room, one of
the guys I wanted to talk to was rookie Tyler Booker.
Tyler Booker's first game got got a little bit of
help in the form of yeah, Dak Prescott got thrown
out the football game before the first offensive snap.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
He'll be there today. He's a very good player. He's
an elite player.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
As much as we talk about Q on the defensive
side for the Cowboys, Carter is that.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Dude over there.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
These are two of the premier guys in the league
that are gonna go at it.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
So Tyler Booker will get some of that. He said
when I asked.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Him, how do you feel from your first game in
the NFL to now? And he said, man like night
and day, because remember it was the first game against Philadelphia,
and then he got hurt, missed some time, and then
he came back.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
He is, he's been, He's been a good draft pick.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
This is not a Mossie Smith situation where you're like, hey, man,
you got it. But this guy loves football. This guy's
here to play. But this is going to be one
of those tests where you need a rookie and Tyler
Booker to be on his game. They're going to have
to figure out a way to run the football looking
over here. Statistics when it comes to defense here yards
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per game, Philadelphia is giving up a bucko six, so
they're tied fourteen. Cowboys defense right now when it comes run,
they're twenty four. They're improving, but you've got to figure
out a way to get one hundred yard. You gotta
figure out a way to get a hundreyards. Yeah, the
first game they were, they were closed. But I feel
like they rapping the ball decently that first game.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
That first half they were good.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yeah, they was rolling.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Then the whole storm happened, will break, and then the
second half nobody didn't even Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
That's but they were still missing Carter too as well.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Yeah, miss the big old piece out of their But
they've got to figure they've got to figure out a
way to get one hundred yards between Williams and Malik Davis.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
And these two, these two tackles for the Cowboys Smith
Steele and uh Guyden. But they gotta bring they gotta
they gotta bring it man.
Speaker 11 (16:40):
You know, shot he was talking last week talking about
that that right tackle spot is kind of you know,
a spot where they're looking, you know, they want to
steals the guy right now. But he's got to improve
and they got some guys that can come off the
edge for Philadelphia. The young guy from Miami that they
traded for Phillips. Phillips, he's been on a tear since
he's gotten the Philadelphi has been on a tear. Out
the sack in the quarterback TfL's, whatever the case may be.
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He's been on a tier. Graham came out of retirement.
He's out there splitting heads. So they got the interior.
This old line's got to bring their lunch pails because
you're dealing with the Georgia boys, you know, Carter and
Davis out there, but also on that edge man Nolan Smith's.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I mean they got some cat Nakobe yah.
Speaker 11 (17:21):
I mean it's gonna be one of the them trenches
where they gotta win the trenches if they want to
win this ball game.
Speaker 10 (17:27):
Yeah, we talked about it, you know.
Speaker 7 (17:28):
We said it's gonna have to be some bullyball, you know,
and and we are, like you said, going to have
to figure out a way to run the ball to
try to slow them boys down because if they could
just pin their ears back and come downhill all game,
it's gonna be ugly. So we're gonna have to stay
committed to some type of run as we.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Go to break here. The other thing that did to
me is big. It is turnover margin. The Cowboys are
negative four twenty, first in the league.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
And gonna win out of games like that.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
The Eagles are seventh plus six. You cannot give the
football away. We saw that happen and the key that
was a key part of the loss the first game.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
The old team of the coughing.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
Up the target that you get this week, they gotta
be caught balls every target that you get this week, no.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
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Speaker 4 (18:18):
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Speaker 9 (20:58):
It is all right.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
You gotta get to read through, man, what you say.
I learned the walk, y'all.
Speaker 8 (21:06):
Don't understand when they say walk through. You got him
in football, But as an athlete back in the day,
you know the teacher call you and say, hey, be
ready for your line.
Speaker 9 (21:16):
I was over here getting ready. Knew he wouldn't go
to get me today.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Tell you get them walking.
Speaker 8 (21:20):
I learned from you, man, I got you now walk.
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Speaker 2 (22:12):
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Speaker 9 (22:15):
And then what do you what do you say you got?
How many of them things you got?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Eighteen?
Speaker 9 (22:20):
I thought it was twenty one?
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Number nineteen?
Speaker 10 (22:28):
Does it? Is it still meaningful?
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Yes?
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It's like Derek di to one another, champion, youn't get tired.
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You know right here, who was.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
The one actress who uses her?
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Was it the oscars or something in the bathroom so
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Speaker 2 (22:54):
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Man your church, Church, you know what you're doing.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
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He asked around the bill.
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Facts that is that fact staying back.
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Came to me, said boy, I said, bring you stuff.
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Speaker 8 (23:15):
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many church.
Speaker 11 (23:22):
Bear brown bear. What you see you can tell um man.
You know reading stories that night.
Speaker 9 (23:30):
About man doing what you do.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Yesterday in the locker room, I asked about how do
you slow down jail and Hurst. It was very fun
because they briefed Quinn Williams about, Hey, here's what they're
probably gonna ask you. He playing Eagles that arrival that
good don't know we're about to find out. So all
(23:54):
this stuff he's just trying to figure out. And so
uh they asked Hi about playing Jalen Hurts like I
played with.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Him, that played with me in Alabama, and I know what.
Speaker 10 (24:02):
He could do.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
So uh, he's They know they have to try to
limit him and keep him in the pocket. And with
Saquon Barkley when we talked about here on players not yesterday,
with Saquon Barkley not having the season he wants, But
they've got to go ahead and figure out how to
how to slow down uh Jalen Hurst.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
But that's still hard. It is, it's still a hard task.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
But if you're eber Fluse, what what what.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
Do you do with a spy linebacker?
Speaker 4 (24:27):
How do how do you limit this guy, especially knowing
you've got a better front.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Fow And he had a hell of a game playing
the first go around.
Speaker 11 (24:35):
He had him, especially for bottling up Saquon and you know,
making sure those receivers didn't hurt him. What hurt that
defense in the first game was the rush lanes, and
Hurts was able to all right, I'm dropping back. Oh
there's an opening right there. Let me let me scamper
through the ag gap. Let me scamper through the sea gap.
The rush lanes were all off, and he was able
to use his legs to really hurt the Dallas Coyle
(24:56):
was a lot of those third and five, third and
six is Hurts was able to go head and convert
them using his legs, so to me, and I'm sure
they'll get this day right. You got you know, improvements
in that front seven, but you got to get those
wrest lands together. You can't give him windows or holes
to be able to escape through.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
And you gotta tackle better.
Speaker 11 (25:13):
I mean, we saw that it was abundant in that
first game. Now there's different linebackers out there. You don't
get you know, Murray and Lee Foul and those guys
out there. But if he does escape, you gotta be
able to bring him down. You gotta be able to
tackle man, because there was a bunch of those opportunities
that they had to be able to tackle on short
of the first down marker. But he was able to
escape and get it and prolong these drives. And this
is a team that you don't want to give him
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more chances like you got to. You gotta stomp them
out and get him off the field as much as
you can. So to me, you gotta tackle better, and
you gotta have them rush lands together or he's gonna
be able to get u out of there.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
On you stay right there. When you talked.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
About getting off the field in that first game, Philadelphia
converted eight of thirteen on thirty.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
You can't do that. That's eight of what thirteen years.
You can't. You can't. I mean, you'll be tired. You
gotta get off the field on the money down.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Now, granted the Cowboys were good too, they were seven
of eleven down. And you go back to that first half,
and everybody was going in the first half, they just
kept going back and forth. I mean, the first half
was wild. When you go back and you look at it,
I mean the first half on the box h twenty
points for the Cowboys and twenty one for Philly in
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the first half. Then the second half there was only
totally three points scored and Philly and and none in
the fourth quarter. So first half, man, everybody was going
back and forth, shootout. Second it was nothing. And so
remember the Cowboys two were kicking too many field.
Speaker 15 (26:32):
Goals, Yeah, yeah, too many field goals in that game.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
And then you had to fumble inside.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
You know, oh, Miles saying.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
The things that get you beat, you know, that's where
the things that get you beat red zone Cowboys two
or three, Philadelphia three or three. You know, you do
stuff like that, and there you go. And then of
course they lost the turnover battle in that football game.
Speaker 8 (26:51):
I mean, you lost the turnover battle, but I think
what's going to be the X factor and stopping Jalen
hurts that it's going to be Eberflus this game, like
he didn't have We keep making the and is your
quote the carpenter and not having his tools. Well, we've
seen them being able to stop them in that first game.
But the way to break it down a little bit
further where you were saying past rush lanes. The reason
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that he was able to escape because we didn't have
no interior pressure. They were just going and stopping right there,
and you had guys actually coming off the edge where
they were just going back there. They created these gaps
and he was escaping through the B gap. Now you
got Quinn Williams. Now you have a Kenny Clark like.
You don't have just one guy having playing penetration defense.
Speaker 9 (27:32):
You have another guy.
Speaker 8 (27:33):
And then you have Osa coming off the bench who's
going to be high energy going against her two who's
really a starter. So you have a three headed monster
and now you can see the most effective Eberflus defense.
We talked about it with his time at the coach.
We talked about it at the Bears. He had a
good defensive tackle, a good edge, and he had a
good middle linebacker Roe Kwan Smith, Shaq Glennard. Now you
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have Logan Wilson back there doing that, but you have
the most important factor, which is the d line. And
when he does that, he's been the most effective. So
I think that's going to be the X factor. We
get to see him really scheme up things of how
you're going to corral Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 7 (28:08):
Now definitely, and like you guys have already hit on,
but Jadavian Clowney's in the building too, now you know
what I mean, Which was an that wasn't here previously.
And then two just as we're talking about the scheme,
that's going to be inside of the scheme now with
Quinn being there to communicate and Clark being inbre to
communicate to as well. All right, I'm getting up field
this far you coming here, okay, And and now hopefully
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you just don't have these ends getting up field just
running by the quarterback. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Well, but I.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
Would say today at this right there, eye and this
guy don't lie.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
I mean, if you got one guy that you just
crashing down and next thing, you know, saying Sam's got
to stop that.
Speaker 9 (28:49):
He does have to stop it.
Speaker 8 (28:51):
But in ebra Flu's defense, they teach you to just
get a feel because now when you have those different separations,
you gotta have over on linebacker is just going to
fill that gap. So even though Sam is getting up
the field, if you got Clintic Clark, that's getting up
the field as well. But he's causing this separation, is
running zigzag. You're gonna have your running back by that time.
Somebody should be doing that. So as much as we're
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on them about getting up the field.
Speaker 9 (29:15):
I can't say.
Speaker 8 (29:15):
In the eber Flus defense, they tell them soon as
you get off the ball, pen your years back and
go ahead and get up there. Now you've got to
have some situational awareness, and that's the next thing.
Speaker 7 (29:23):
You can get a retrace too as well. You to
be able to come back up, you know.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
And knowing who the opponent is, you say, all right, well,
you know, but against Philip they're looking for it. Yes,
now he living off of it. So you've got to
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Woll j Maorian Overshown came back from injury made his
debut against the Raiders. He said he did not like
the way he played. First game back. He says he'll
be better. But I asked him the question, you're in
the midst of playing three games in a eleven days,
how does your body make it through? Could they put
(34:05):
you on a pitch count? And being the competitor he is,
I can do what I can do. You know, you
never know about the situations. Meaning I guess he's starting
to say, hey, man, if we got to compete for
four quarters, I got to play the full sixty.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
I played a full sixty. But you guys have.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
All played, and you've all worked, you know, with injuries yourselves.
How should they approach Tomorro and Oversharing a player they're
going to need the rest of the way three games
and eleven days for.
Speaker 8 (34:32):
Me, I say, put them on a pitch count, like
being a high power energy guy, like you could tell
that by the way that he's playing.
Speaker 9 (34:39):
He's playing sideline.
Speaker 8 (34:40):
The sideline and sometimes coaches, this is your job as
being the leader amongst the leaders and saving guys from
themselves as a competitor. Yes, go out there, and you know,
just like I know the trainers say when you come back,
how do you feel?
Speaker 9 (34:52):
Okay? If you're good to go, go, And so this.
Speaker 8 (34:56):
Is he's young like that that that pride to ego,
everything's gonna getting away.
Speaker 9 (35:01):
As soon as you feel good.
Speaker 8 (35:02):
You got to remember, like this is a high power
game that you're playing at a high level in three
games and eleven in eleven day span. Even on a
healthy lin, its body is a lot. And so for
you to come out these major injuries and I think
we said it off air, but this is the second
time he's an injury.
Speaker 9 (35:19):
That's saying.
Speaker 8 (35:20):
So it's like you have to at what point are
you going to be smart enough to say pull back?
So I hope they give him a pitch count, but
you know, if he's feeling good, you know, let him go.
But hopefully you don't need him. You got Logan coming
in right now. But what do y'all think.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
You know, I'll be air to be on the smart
side more so than anything at this point. You know,
with him and Wilson in there together, I think it's
been has been the thing that is turning everybody on
just seeing those two side by side. So you know,
hopefully I would definitely try to figure out some type
of pitch count to keep you more. But at the
(35:53):
same time, you have to be smart enough to allow
him to listen to his body too as well. So
with that being said, you know, he's young, and youth
is on his side at this point in time. But yeah,
three games in eleven days, like you said, for a
healthy dude, that's that's a big toe.
Speaker 10 (36:08):
That's a large toe.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
So pitch counting open, and you're already on your short
count because it was Monday night, so you're already on
a short week here.
Speaker 7 (36:15):
And it may not be the pitch count this game.
It may be a pitch you know, Like I'm looking
at what we got going on. If he's out there
balling and making an impact in the game, it's gonna
be hard for me to rain up pulling back in,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 10 (36:25):
So we're gonna have to see how it plays out.
Speaker 11 (36:26):
Yeah, you just gotta you know, like you said, yeah,
him and the training staff, which they got a great
staff over there, Gym and Britton, all those guys and Greg.
You just got to make sure, you know, throughout the game,
just every time you come out the field, how does
it feel, you know, you tweaking anything, How you know
your body's feeling out there? You fatigued because we all know,
you know, once that fatigue start, because this is what
second game back from injury, so we all know his conditioning.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
You're only getting.
Speaker 11 (36:49):
Shaped football shaped by playing football, so you know his
condition is not gonna be to where it was before
the injury. And we all know once you get fatigued
out there, that's when you know, technique goes out and
you start, you know, overcompensating on one thing, and then
you know how that snowball effect happens. So if I'm him,
I'm just you know, making sure keeping those trainers close
when you get back to the sideline.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
This is how I feel, is how my body feels.
Speaker 11 (37:12):
And he has to be honest, like he can you know,
sugarcoat things with the training staff. Oh, I feel great,
Everything's amazing and bunch of quads a little tired. You know,
you gotta be honest out here because you know you
want to be a part of something special. You want
to be a part of this comeback and all that
great stuff. But you're you're a young man. You still
got a lot of years God went and left in
this league. So you got to make sure you're smart
and communicate with the training staff and make sure they're
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on the same page.
Speaker 6 (37:34):
You already know, you already know being young, we ain't
thinking like that.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
None of that I will give you.
Speaker 6 (37:39):
On the field, somebody gonna have to help him in.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Kind of percent.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
And so you talk about the strict training staff, but
what is it.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Are there other guys in the room vets that can
come and have that conversation with him as well.
Speaker 8 (37:52):
I think so, uh Clinton Williams being the leader that
he is right now, like he's one of those guys
logan coming over there and saying, hey, bro, like were
gonna need you for is back in especially the playoff
hopes are still there. It's gonna say, if you got
a game that you know that you're winning, you know
how it is the young guy behind you, somebody that's
been preparing, they're asking for some snaps. They're doing that, Well,
maybe this is a time for you to be a
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little selfless. Maybe it's the time for those vests to
come over there and say, hey, we got this in
the bag. And honestly, I'm kind of with you, ad
what you said, Like, I might not pull the rings
off of him in the Eagles game because this is
a divisional game and you got the hot hend right now,
but the next game it's like, okay, you got to
be ready to play right here. And so it's gonna
be a combination of everybody Overshawan being transparent with the
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training staff, but then also the people that have played
around him, that know him before the injury and after
the injury to say, hey, I see you getting a
little excited. I see this and that like pull it
back right there. And when you had like at least
I know for guys like me, I played around Richard Sherman,
Cliff Abral Mike Bennett, those guys were able to say, hey,
young Buck, don't get too excited right now. Hey, tighten
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it back and do right there. And I respect their
opinion a little bit more.
Speaker 11 (38:59):
Yeah, it's it's going to be tough because you know,
when you want that football field between them lines. I
mean you just thinking about I got this is my
job communicating which your teammates are trying to get the
dub and it's it's it's tough for those those vents
and guys to be you know, if he's out there playing,
making plays and doing this thing, it's tough to be
like hey man.
Speaker 6 (39:20):
Yeah about yeah, so you won't right now. You just
locked in like.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
It's tough, man, It's tough.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
And as far as eber Flues goes, is that something
for him as a coordinator that he has to be
aware of or was that the linebacker coach?
Speaker 5 (39:35):
I mean where you know, I'm just trying to think
of all the levels.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Where because ultimately you talked about to Sadie, this is
a player that you're looking for for a number of years,
okay number of years and you've got the games you
talked about.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
You you've got a lot.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
We've got December. You've still got December coming up, three
games in eleven days. Just how do you make sure
you're protected because he is going to be the high
energy person that you talked about here and even to
see when he was like when I was talking to
you know, I'm just gonna go, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
I get it. You love that about him. But there's
got to be other people.
Speaker 11 (40:11):
Bruck come down a little bit, right, The training stab
is gonna have to me. The main ones got to
be him and the training stad. They got to be
on the same accord. And then you got your your
linebackers coach out there that's gonna be able to, you know,
get a little bit more in depth with them. Because
when you're when you're flu and you the DC, you
think who I got, who I got in this package?
Speaker 5 (40:29):
Is he available?
Speaker 11 (40:29):
Like he's not really over there thinking about who's you know,
he's like, who do I got this guy available for
this hot package or something like that. Like so he's
not really checking on the process of how each individual
player is feeling at that time. So I think it
gotta be with the training staff, you know, gotta be
with your with your with your position coach. And then
he's worried about the ex's and o's and get it
out there.
Speaker 7 (40:49):
What are the things that I've seen and like shout
out to those people in that training staff and in
this building. It's like the guys who have come back
off of injury and they've actually been able to come
back and compete at a high level.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
The ones that did rehab with them, what you're.
Speaker 6 (41:04):
Talking about, I'm just I'm like he said, all I'm here.
Speaker 8 (41:09):
Are two guys that came off major knee injuries that
we've seen.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
We're here.
Speaker 8 (41:15):
They were here during the off season, but not even
that taking the stuff further at the end of the game,
when you've seen them paying in it. Everybody you've seen shoddy, well,
guess what you're seeing. You've seen rebel right there, and
you've seen Brent sitting there. I know what that tapped me.
Speaker 17 (41:27):
You do good?
Speaker 9 (41:28):
I was a feeling this and that.
Speaker 10 (41:29):
So you guys know being hurt.
Speaker 7 (41:31):
You know when when you're when you're injured and you
feel like you're not part of the team. You and
that you and that training staff for you and those
rehab people, y'all get real close your teammates. And so
for those guys to be able to come back and
play and like not having the hiccups, like I said,
like all that faith they put in them, dudes, that
relationship in that bard even got that much tighter. You
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know like I trust you and so hopefully, you know,
like people will see like, hey, you don't have to
you don't have to leave here to get healthy, Like
this is a good building.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
So Ibraflus Finzer coordinator was asked about the rookie Schon
novel from East Carolina. He said, quote, he's great. He's
he's a big, tall, strong guy. I love his stop
and start. He really can stop those transition routes. He's
got really good length. He's no he says, uh, he's
a no house guest cover. He tackles. He's a good tackler.
I'm excited about where he's going. So I know some
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people want to hear this, but you know, twenty twenty
six they might have.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
You know, yeah, I had a little something.
Speaker 11 (42:30):
He actually will get impressed and put hands on you
like that's That's the one thing I've seen from from Revel.
I'm like, he's impressed. He's not doing all his back
pedaling and mirroring with the feet. He getting hands on casts.
He's physical. Now that's what you love to see out
there with him. Go use your length, use it man.
Speaker 8 (42:45):
So he's playing like how these other dvs thought they
could play when they went up there, somebody and got
spun around.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
On Carson played Carson had had good snack, Bell came
in here, blands out there.
Speaker 5 (42:58):
At some point in time, if you can get digs back.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
As you're as you're as you're going down this stretch here,
you're gonna have You're gonna have to face the lions.
Chargers have some good receivers, so if you can start
to get healthy, they can make it interesting in the end.
But at this point in time, in my mind, I'm like,
you know, in twenty six, they should have something, Yeah,
they should they should have something. We'll see what happens
(43:26):
with George Pickens in his country and with Brandon Aubrey
in his contract the.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
Franchise, Dad, you only franchise one of them better.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
You think they gotta be you're talking about they're both great.
Speaker 8 (43:43):
Aurey man, that's a that's a conversation, that is that
is man.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
But they both cold.
Speaker 9 (43:51):
But Audrey so you But that's what I say. You
don't just pay Aubrey right now. He didn't have been.
Speaker 10 (43:58):
That's just for me.
Speaker 7 (43:59):
It's it's it's gonna get tough when you got that
much money tied up like say, potentially between two wide
receivers and your quarterback like that.
Speaker 10 (44:08):
That's that's that's gonna be tricky.
Speaker 5 (44:10):
That's a lot of bread.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
That's a lot of bread.
Speaker 5 (44:12):
It's a lot of bread. But this is just just
the if part.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
If they finish well fighting and competing, and let's say
they come up short one or two games, because you
you know you're gonna those games. The tie breakers are
gonna hurt you because you've lost into some NFC teams
like like Carolina.
Speaker 5 (44:33):
Who's playing well right now.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
So if they don't make it and looking at potentially
how they can close the show.
Speaker 5 (44:39):
If you're Jerry, you're eighty two years old, Yeah, what you.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
Waiting though, We're gonna right to check man, you know,
because hey, baby, you ain't promised too many more.
Speaker 18 (44:50):
By the way, with the Aubrey contract, he's a restricted
free agent next year, so you can put a tag
on him transition to so you can put like a
second round pick. So if someone signs him and you
can match whatever, you.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Get somebody definitely like a second round big.
Speaker 18 (45:08):
Yeah, you can match it so that they can offer
him a contract. If you match it, you get them.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
And you don't think Jerry will do there.
Speaker 18 (45:15):
No, I'm just saying you don't have to franchise.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
You got so you could do a transition tag on
the kicker, franchise tags pickets.
Speaker 5 (45:23):
Now, the moment you throw the franchise tag on, you
ain't gonna see them.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
You think it was his agent, that's his age.
Speaker 9 (45:30):
But dude, we know who his agent is.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
But your people, No, that ain't my people.
Speaker 9 (45:36):
Joby left.
Speaker 8 (45:37):
Jobey was a founder member, but he started Vanguard Sports.
He had to get up out of there. You had to.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
Get David Mullagat. I mean, okay, yeah, hear my friend.
Speaker 9 (45:48):
Here's my frat brother. He is my frat brother.
Speaker 5 (45:51):
Well you Slowell, No, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 9 (45:54):
The viewers, everybody in the viewership.
Speaker 8 (45:56):
That.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
Boy special. Anything George said, thank you, Trey. I always
appreciate these conversations, man, very chers of pastor.
Speaker 5 (46:07):
Look, this has been a place, lads, ron
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This is the Players Lounge, broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys
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Anthony dor set De, Montrey Moore, and New He scrugs.
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Here we are.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Everybody welcome into the Players Lounge. We are here at
the Star in Frisco, Texas's headquarters of Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (00:35):
Know the crew.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Anthony Dorset sporting his former team here the oh he
was not a Las Vegas Raiders.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
Oh Oakland Raider? Who playton?
Speaker 4 (00:46):
We got former Dallas Cowboy, former Dallas Cowboy, Barry Church.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
Pastor all dressed up chocolate.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
I am knocking new He scrugs, here for the conversation
and not playing. So gentlemen, it's raining outside. The cowboys
are outside practicing.
Speaker 6 (01:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Here we go, Here we go, come on, so here
we go.
Speaker 7 (01:16):
This this, this, let me jump into this right now ahead,
y'all soft in the molly.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Rising man who cares first of the benefit of It's
a flood warning in the area.
Speaker 6 (01:32):
Where's the flooded out out there?
Speaker 8 (01:33):
I'm just saying what the what's the benefits, man, Like,
what's the You're playing indoors the next like three three.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
Games, Jerry might be opening up the roof.
Speaker 9 (01:44):
Up.
Speaker 8 (01:45):
Man.
Speaker 7 (01:46):
That's the first thing I said when I came in.
I'm like, Okay, it's raining, so they out there or.
Speaker 10 (01:50):
Maybe they're gonna open it up.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Man.
Speaker 10 (01:52):
But at the end of the day, what did you
say before we came on?
Speaker 8 (01:56):
You gotta you gotta play, bro, You gotta you gotta
go through the elements.
Speaker 9 (01:59):
You gotta you.
Speaker 8 (02:00):
Gotta have a little put you in the elements that
you don't know everybody's been in there forever. And I honestly,
I didn't even think about it that deep when you
were saying that and like, oh, Jerry's gonna let open
the dome. I'm thinking like, hey, shot, he's coming from
a competitive environment.
Speaker 9 (02:16):
Hey get out there.
Speaker 8 (02:18):
We're gonna make you practice tougher than what it is
for when you get out there. But this is a
you're playing the Eagles. They got everything this week, you
got Jaalen Carter. It's like, give yourself the competitive air.
So he might be playing and rain giving you a competitive.
Speaker 11 (02:31):
You open up if you open up the dome You've
been here for decades when it was a thunderstorm. Has
has Jerry ever opened up the roof when it's raining?
Speaker 6 (02:41):
Where is it right now?
Speaker 9 (02:44):
It's raining raining.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
I had an hour drive before work.
Speaker 6 (02:50):
When I came in, it wasn't it wasn't raining.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
My line is definitely slick out there. So I just
asked the question. You were here church, they were, They
were here early. So I just asked him.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
I said, help me, And I asked producer Chris, I'm
just asking a question. Okay, I don't I didn't play.
Speaker 10 (03:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
They have they have built the force, they have built in.
Speaker 8 (03:13):
Your atility, and that's what I said. I'm with you, though,
Barry on this. Like I understand trying to get the
competitive edge or whatever the case may be, if you
do let the top open, but where you're at right now,
we can't afford those injuries, like because it is the
pattern is going to be that good to where we're
gonna win. But say we go out there and yeah,
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they're not in full past. They're just in hell men say,
and your T shirts and stuff, but it go up there,
catch one catch it. Somebody reaggravate something not gonna but
that's when it's like this was dumb, Like what was
it the jayde and Daniels thing where you sit there saying, oh,
he shouldn't have been in late in the game, and
then like hindsight twenty twenty.
Speaker 7 (03:55):
That's I say this, you know, and y'all know shoddy
and you know and everything else like that. I really
don't think that if it was going to be something
that was going to slow down the speed of practice
or actually like impair practice in any kind of way,
that they would still be out there, Like I think
it'll be real easy, like yo, just take it inside.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
You know, which is true.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
So I just wanted to ask the question says, you know,
we saw.
Speaker 7 (04:22):
I'm not saying that when when did it get to
be so soft that like just because it's and like
I said, it wasn't raining when I pulled in, so
when y'all came in, it might be a little bit different.
Speaker 9 (04:31):
You know, get that. I tell you what.
Speaker 8 (04:33):
It got to be soft when you bought these amenities
that you have, when you got a nice indoor like
that that barely get used.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
It's like, which is why they you know, built it.
That was one of the things. Oh well, we need,
we need to be able to go indoors and implement.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
Whether that was that's part of it.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
That was all, especially when they were back at at
at Valley and they.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Had to go on over the Highland Park to go practice.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
So anyway, just just use the parts.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Now, that was the year before I got that situation.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
I was going up that day because it was it
was another O t A. It was like the final
ots started to go up there and I was like,
you know what, I'm gonna sit right here on this
couch and then looked up and saw everything that happened, man.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
And yeah, it was. That was brutal.
Speaker 9 (05:18):
It was.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
It was an awful day. It was an awful day.
And yeah, so uh no, I won't forget it. I
don't forget those that were you know, injured in that.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
It was.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
It was traumatic.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
But anyway, the Cowboys built the star for, you know,
to be able to have that option. So Brian Shot,
the head coach, decided not to take the option. So
the Cowboys were four or five and one taking on
the Eagles, and Matt Eberflus, the defensive coordinator, got a
little bit of help.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
Against your raiders.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
They did well, so Ibra Flues met the meeting and
he was asked, you know, was what was it like
in the office when they said that, hey man, we
traded for defensive tackle Quinny Williams, And he said, quote,
you could have heard a big yell. It was an
exciting time for sure. Then he went on to say
q has played in the attack front, so he knows it.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
The verbiage is.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Very similar having Aaron white Cott in here with him.
It's crazy how things work out. It's been a very
easy transition for him. He's a true pro. He helps everybody,
not just with his talent and his play, but he's
coaching on the sideline. When you have the best players
on the field practicing like Williams, everyone else follows. When
your most talented guys do that, it has a big
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effect on the.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Whole football team.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
And he also said that defensive tackles Kenny Clark and
Osa Digzoo also graded out very well in their first
Monday night game together along with Williams.
Speaker 11 (06:41):
The Gazoo was that PFFS top graded.
Speaker 8 (06:45):
Guys, the two top graded defense right here at the start,
so you know newly you wasn't here. But the question
was proposed to Bury last with all of us, but
it was just like, do you think somebody can come
in and be a leader right away week one? And
me and Ad was like, you can being the player
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that you are, your resume already being there, but also
just leading by example. And I think we seem to
effect this weekend. So it's like now with a week
going past it, Barry.
Speaker 11 (07:16):
Yeah, that's that was one of my answers, was you know,
leading by example, because I mean you see it, like
you see him going out there dominating the way he
did on that interior line.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
But not only that.
Speaker 11 (07:26):
I mean there's clips from the sideline where he's coming
off the field with the young Donovhan Azerakle, young rookie
defensive end, and.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
On the way up he's coaching him up. He's like, man, yeah,
you should have hit this inside move right there.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
That's when you want to get the pressure.
Speaker 11 (07:40):
When I have that guard or whatever going backwards like
that you get on the inside.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
So he's coaching these guys up, He's he's giving.
Speaker 11 (07:46):
Them that on field coaching, like he's an extension of
the coaching staff, And that's what you hadn't had on
this defense all all season long. To me, it looked
like this defense was just everybody was too afraid to
talk because they didn't have the confidence to go out
there and pretty much vocalize what they want to do
out there. Now with Williams in there, established guy, all pro,
perennial all Pro guy, one of the best defensive tackles
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international Football League, came from the elite program, and he
came exactly so you know, you still undefeated, but he's
going to sting man.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
He's definitely doing this thing.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Out there, Dak Prescott said in Vegas spun in after
the game. We asked him about Quinn and he just
talked about how he said, hey, man, I have to
get here earlier because he's already here. He's setting the tone.
He says, I'm learning from him. And so when Quentin
met with the media yesterday, I asked him about the
comment that Dak said. He said, Man, I'm just he says,
I'm just trying to be me, and then he went
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on to talk about what a great leader Dak was.
So this is one of those things and you guys played,
have played and been in the rooms where you make
a trade and you know what you see on tape
of the talent. But then when you add more than Hey,
here's a guy that's bringing his lunch pale, showing everybody
this is what I'm doing. You can talk all day, love,
but are you about the work? He's about the work.
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He's serious business. And then where I'll give guys in
the room credit like a Kenny Clark and the Osu,
a Diggi Zua that they really like, Hey, man, dude,
you can make my job easier. Yeah, I mean you
played d tackle. You know, dream is one on one.
Dreams one on one is because they're doubling Q. They
out there with choking him on one play and he's
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still out here recond shots.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
So Quinn Q is going to get double. That means
you're free.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
So if you're able to get free, that's when we
saw Houston get back there or Diggi zuas be able
to play. This is a trade that, when you think
about it, they had to give up next year's two.
They're not going to find a player in the second
round that's as good as Quinn, and then they're going
to give up a one. If you get a player
who can do all of that beat dominant elite player
(09:52):
on the football field on his prime and affect the
room where everybody's like, that's the guy you pay the prime.
Speaker 8 (09:59):
In my opinion, yeah, it's it's still it's still to
be still to be seen. But right now at the
initial start, especially just for the coming out party, it's like,
right now it's starting to look.
Speaker 9 (10:09):
Like the Cowboys have one.
Speaker 8 (10:11):
Because when you think about it, you said, this was
the argument with Kenny Clark coming in here.
Speaker 9 (10:16):
Kenny Clark, naturally he made a.
Speaker 8 (10:17):
Couple of people better, but it was like, ah, is
he good enough to make a defense better? Well, you've
seen that from day one. You've seen the man Kwinn
Williams come in here, have not only one and a
half sacks, not only have the production, but naturally, like
you said, made everybody else better around him, and the
defense significantly got better. Now the real test is going
against the Eagles this week. But to come and play
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a penetration defense and think about how dominating he is one,
I'm excited I think he won, but then also too,
it makes me have another question that I want to
ask y'all. As or as defensive former players. We talked
about eber Flu's defense not being that complex. We're talking
about Quinn winhas coming in here doing what he's doing
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and for him to significantly make this defense better. And
then you see a guy like Carson come off of
ir play every snap. Was the scheme really that difficult?
Or was it the players?
Speaker 5 (11:14):
Man, Carpenter? The carpenter's too.
Speaker 10 (11:16):
So this is what I'm seeing, all right?
Speaker 7 (11:20):
Like start like you always like with basketball, I had
to tell my son, like, Okay, the point guard is
basically like the coach's brain on the court, all right,
So flus has been looking for that that that that
that person in that defense that could be basically his
brain on the field more so than anything.
Speaker 9 (11:36):
Right.
Speaker 7 (11:36):
So what I'm seeing, of course is with like, okay,
the Kenney Clark edition was definitely one of them, but
then who to bring quinning it? But now with this linebacker, okay,
all right, so now we got somebody who could actually
start start getting guys lined up pre snapped and start
calling over some players pre snap and everything like that.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
What I'm seeing now is just like what you said.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
The carpenter got his tools, bro, and it's a totally
different ball game. You know what they say, it ain't
no fun When the rabbit got the gun, and right
now the Cowboys seemed like they got the gun.
Speaker 10 (12:03):
But this week right.
Speaker 7 (12:04):
Here, you can't. You can't, you can't bush at all.
You got call it what it is. This is going
to be one that this is, this is the test
all right at to this point right here, you know,
and especially with the additions, this is going to be major.
But I'm excited, you know what I'm saying, And I'm
really excited to see just like what you guys have
talked about this whole season, Flus got this defense that
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if you can ball, you can just go downhill and
make plays.
Speaker 10 (12:28):
And it's looking like that's where they're headed right now.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
And we y'all play defense. Y'all understand this.
Speaker 11 (12:34):
When you see a couple of cats balling out on
that defensive side of the football, you don't want to
be that guy that's that's left out. You don't want
to be that guy that's like, man, you know what
Williams that made of played? Oh the Yazua made a play.
These guys over there breaking up passes, I'm just out there.
You don't want to go into that film session. Everybody's like, yeah,
you see my past break up, now you see my
sack out there.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, yea, that's all all that, man. Yeah.
Speaker 11 (12:56):
Yeah, So it's forcing everybody out there to raise Yeah exactly,
it's raising what they call force multiplier, whatever the case
may be. He's forcing everybody to raise their game, which
is which is awesome for.
Speaker 7 (13:06):
The and that's what you want to have. You want
to have that type of defense that it's like, oh
you just made that big hit.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Oh okay, watch.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
So that right there, that competition in that room.
Speaker 10 (13:18):
Let's let's go.
Speaker 8 (13:19):
You gotta saying in the D line, sacks come in bunches,
and when you've seen that, the sax was coming in
the overflow, but it wasn't even that like like they
say in church, when you get that overflow, what they say,
tips and overthrows got to get them.
Speaker 9 (13:32):
And you've seen that in the back.
Speaker 8 (13:33):
So it's fronting and helping the back to back end
and helping the front and it's really complimentary football. So
back to what you originally said, like that's all right.
Now it's looking like the Cowboys is one and Jerry's
right when he said help is on the way. I
could do the trading and stuff like that, because Quinn
Williams not just him Logan as well, because he was
another key component in that trade. But all the pieces
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that he have added, it's starting to look like they
got a complete def It's right.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
This is one week.
Speaker 9 (14:01):
It's one week.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
It's the Raiders.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Raiders are one of the worst teams in the National
Football League. But I also say this, you couldn't beat Arizona.
It's one of the worst teams in the league right
now either. So at least you started right here. Quinton Williams,
Quentin Williams, Quinn Williams has already made his his impact there.
The test for the Cowboys and even when the you
know when DQ was here, can you beat good teams?
Speaker 5 (14:23):
That has been the issue.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
So they get Philadelphia coming here, who's in first place,
who's had some issues. This is not the team that
won the Super Bowl last year. This is not Saquon
Barkley who was challenging for the uh season record and rushing.
This is a different football team. How do they respond?
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
It's going to be a challenge up front. We talked
about yesterday.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
So when I was in the locker room, one of
the guys I wanted to talk to was rookie Tyler Booker.
Tyler Booker's first game got got a little bit of
help in the form of yeah, Dak Prescott got thrown
out the football game before the first offensive snap.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
He'll be there today. He's a very good player. He's
an elite player.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
As much as we talk about Q on the defensive
side for the Cowboys, Carter is that.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Dude over there.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
These are two of the premier guys in the league
that are gonna go at it.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
So Tyler Booker will get some of that. He said
when I asked.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Him, how do you feel from your first game in
the NFL to now? And he said, man like night
and day, because remember it was the first game against Philadelphia,
and then he got hurt, missed some time, and then
he came back.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
He is, he's been, He's been a good draft pick.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
This is not a Mossie Smith situation where you're like, hey, man,
you got it. But this guy loves football. This guy's
here to play. But this is going to be one
of those tests where you need a rookie and Tyler
Booker to be on his game. They're going to have
to figure out a way to run the football looking
over here. Statistics when it comes to defense here yards
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per game, Philadelphia is giving up a bucko six, so
they're tied fourteen. Cowboys defense right now when it comes run,
they're twenty four. They're improving, but you've got to figure
out a way to get one hundred yard. You gotta
figure out a way to get a hundreyards. Yeah, the
first game they were, they were closed. But I feel
like they rapping the ball decently that first game.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
That first half they were good.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yeah, they was rolling.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Then the whole storm happened, will break, and then the
second half nobody didn't even Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
That's but they were still missing Carter too as well.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Yeah, miss the big old piece out of their But
they've got to figure they've got to figure out a
way to get one hundred yards between Williams and Malik Davis.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
And these two, these two tackles for the Cowboys Smith
Steele and uh Guyden. But they gotta bring they gotta
they gotta bring it man.
Speaker 11 (16:40):
You know, shot he was talking last week talking about
that that right tackle spot is kind of you know,
a spot where they're looking, you know, they want to
steals the guy right now. But he's got to improve
and they got some guys that can come off the
edge for Philadelphia. The young guy from Miami that they
traded for Phillips. Phillips, he's been on a tear since
he's gotten the Philadelphi has been on a tear. Out
the sack in the quarterback TfL's, whatever the case may be.
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He's been on a tier. Graham came out of retirement.
He's out there splitting heads. So they got the interior.
This old line's got to bring their lunch pails because
you're dealing with the Georgia boys, you know, Carter and
Davis out there, but also on that edge man Nolan Smith's.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I mean they got some cat Nakobe yah.
Speaker 11 (17:21):
I mean it's gonna be one of the them trenches
where they gotta win the trenches if they want to
win this ball game.
Speaker 10 (17:27):
Yeah, we talked about it, you know.
Speaker 7 (17:28):
We said it's gonna have to be some bullyball, you know,
and and we are, like you said, going to have
to figure out a way to run the ball to
try to slow them boys down because if they could
just pin their ears back and come downhill all game,
it's gonna be ugly. So we're gonna have to stay
committed to some type of run as we.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Go to break here. The other thing that did to
me is big. It is turnover margin. The Cowboys are
negative four twenty, first in the league.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
And gonna win out of games like that.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
The Eagles are seventh plus six. You cannot give the
football away. We saw that happen and the key that
was a key part of the loss the first game.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
The old team of the coughing.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
Up the target that you get this week, they gotta
be caught balls every target that you get this week, no.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Drop, no jobs, scared.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Scared to the church, Say you're scared your set for church?
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Speaker 4 (23:34):
Yesterday in the locker room, I asked about how do
you slow down jail and Hurst. It was very fun
because they briefed Quinn Williams about, Hey, here's what they're
probably gonna ask you. He playing Eagles that arrival that
good don't know we're about to find out. So all
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this stuff he's just trying to figure out. And so
uh they asked Hi about playing Jalen Hurts like I
played with.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Him, that played with me in Alabama, and I know what.
Speaker 10 (24:02):
He could do.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
So uh, he's They know they have to try to
limit him and keep him in the pocket. And with
Saquon Barkley when we talked about here on players not yesterday,
with Saquon Barkley not having the season he wants, But
they've got to go ahead and figure out how to
how to slow down uh Jalen Hurst.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
But that's still hard. It is, it's still a hard task.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
But if you're eber Fluse, what what what.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
Do you do with a spy linebacker?
Speaker 4 (24:27):
How do how do you limit this guy, especially knowing
you've got a better front.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Fow And he had a hell of a game playing
the first go around.
Speaker 11 (24:35):
He had him, especially for bottling up Saquon and you know,
making sure those receivers didn't hurt him. What hurt that
defense in the first game was the rush lanes, and
Hurts was able to all right, I'm dropping back. Oh
there's an opening right there. Let me let me scamper
through the ag gap. Let me scamper through the sea gap.
The rush lanes were all off, and he was able
to use his legs to really hurt the Dallas Coyle
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was a lot of those third and five, third and
six is Hurts was able to go head and convert
them using his legs, so to me, and I'm sure
they'll get this day right. You got you know, improvements
in that front seven, but you got to get those
wrest lands together. You can't give him windows or holes
to be able to escape through.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
And you gotta tackle better.
Speaker 11 (25:13):
I mean, we saw that it was abundant in that
first game. Now there's different linebackers out there. You don't
get you know, Murray and Lee Foul and those guys
out there. But if he does escape, you gotta be
able to bring him down. You gotta be able to
tackle man, because there was a bunch of those opportunities
that they had to be able to tackle on short
of the first down marker. But he was able to
escape and get it and prolong these drives. And this
is a team that you don't want to give him
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more chances like you got to. You gotta stomp them
out and get him off the field as much as
you can. So to me, you gotta tackle better, and
you gotta have them rush lands together or he's gonna
be able to get u out of there.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
On you stay right there. When you talked.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
About getting off the field in that first game, Philadelphia
converted eight of thirteen on thirty.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
You can't do that. That's eight of what thirteen years.
You can't. You can't. I mean, you'll be tired. You
gotta get off the field on the money down.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Now, granted the Cowboys were good too, they were seven
of eleven down. And you go back to that first half,
and everybody was going in the first half, they just
kept going back and forth. I mean, the first half
was wild. When you go back and you look at it,
I mean the first half on the box h twenty
points for the Cowboys and twenty one for Philly in
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the first half. Then the second half there was only
totally three points scored and Philly and and none in
the fourth quarter. So first half, man, everybody was going
back and forth, shootout. Second it was nothing. And so
remember the Cowboys two were kicking too many field.
Speaker 15 (26:32):
Goals, Yeah, yeah, too many field goals in that game.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
And then you had to fumble inside.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
You know, oh, Miles saying.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
The things that get you beat, you know, that's where
the things that get you beat red zone Cowboys two
or three, Philadelphia three or three. You know, you do
stuff like that, and there you go. And then of
course they lost the turnover battle in that football game.
Speaker 8 (26:51):
I mean, you lost the turnover battle, but I think
what's going to be the X factor and stopping Jalen
hurts that it's going to be Eberflus this game, like
he didn't have We keep making the and is your
quote the carpenter and not having his tools. Well, we've
seen them being able to stop them in that first game.
But the way to break it down a little bit
further where you were saying past rush lanes. The reason
(27:11):
that he was able to escape because we didn't have
no interior pressure. They were just going and stopping right there,
and you had guys actually coming off the edge where
they were just going back there. They created these gaps
and he was escaping through the B gap. Now you
got Quinn Williams. Now you have a Kenny Clark like.
You don't have just one guy having playing penetration defense.
Speaker 9 (27:32):
You have another guy.
Speaker 8 (27:33):
And then you have Osa coming off the bench who's
going to be high energy going against her two who's
really a starter. So you have a three headed monster
and now you can see the most effective Eberflus defense.
We talked about it with his time at the coach.
We talked about it at the Bears. He had a
good defensive tackle, a good edge, and he had a
good middle linebacker Roe Kwan Smith, Shaq Glennard. Now you
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have Logan Wilson back there doing that, but you have
the most important factor, which is the d line. And
when he does that, he's been the most effective. So
I think that's going to be the X factor. We
get to see him really scheme up things of how
you're going to corral Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 7 (28:08):
Now definitely, and like you guys have already hit on,
but Jadavian Clowney's in the building too, now you know
what I mean, Which was an that wasn't here previously.
And then two just as we're talking about the scheme,
that's going to be inside of the scheme now with
Quinn being there to communicate and Clark being inbre to
communicate to as well. All right, I'm getting up field
this far you coming here, okay, And and now hopefully
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you just don't have these ends getting up field just
running by the quarterback. You know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 5 (28:39):
Would say today at this right there, eye and this
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I mean, if you got one guy that you just
crashing down and next thing, you know, saying Sam's got
to stop that.
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He does have to stop it.
Speaker 8 (28:51):
But in ebra Flu's defense, they teach you to just
get a feel because now when you have those different separations,
you gotta have over on linebacker is just going to
fill that gap. So even though Sam is getting up
the field, if you got Clintic Clark, that's getting up
the field as well. But he's causing this separation, is
running zigzag. You're gonna have your running back by that time.
Somebody should be doing that. So as much as we're
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on them about getting up the field.
Speaker 9 (29:15):
I can't say.
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In the eber Flus defense, they tell them soon as
you get off the ball, pen your years back and
go ahead and get up there. Now you've got to
have some situational awareness, and that's the next thing.
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You can get a retrace too as well. You to
be able to come back up, you know.
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now he living off of it. So you've got to
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Woll j Maorian Overshown came back from injury made his
debut against the Raiders. He said he did not like
the way he played. First game back. He says he'll
be better. But I asked him the question, you're in
the midst of playing three games in a eleven days,
how does your body make it through? Could they put
(34:05):
you on a pitch count? And being the competitor he is,
I can do what I can do. You know, you
never know about the situations. Meaning I guess he's starting
to say, hey, man, if we got to compete for
four quarters, I got to play the full sixty.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
I played a full sixty. But you guys have.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
All played, and you've all worked, you know, with injuries yourselves.
How should they approach Tomorro and Oversharing a player they're
going to need the rest of the way three games
and eleven days for.
Speaker 8 (34:32):
Me, I say, put them on a pitch count, like
being a high power energy guy, like you could tell
that by the way that he's playing.
Speaker 9 (34:39):
He's playing sideline.
Speaker 8 (34:40):
The sideline and sometimes coaches, this is your job as
being the leader amongst the leaders and saving guys from
themselves as a competitor. Yes, go out there, and you know,
just like I know the trainers say when you come back,
how do you feel?
Speaker 9 (34:52):
Okay? If you're good to go, go, And so this.
Speaker 8 (34:56):
Is he's young like that that that pride to ego,
everything's gonna getting away.
Speaker 9 (35:01):
As soon as you feel good.
Speaker 8 (35:02):
You got to remember, like this is a high power
game that you're playing at a high level in three
games and eleven in eleven day span. Even on a
healthy lin, its body is a lot. And so for
you to come out these major injuries and I think
we said it off air, but this is the second
time he's an injury.
Speaker 9 (35:19):
That's saying.
Speaker 8 (35:20):
So it's like you have to at what point are
you going to be smart enough to say pull back?
So I hope they give him a pitch count, but
you know, if he's feeling good, you know, let him go.
But hopefully you don't need him. You got Logan coming
in right now. But what do y'all think.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
You know, I'll be air to be on the smart
side more so than anything at this point. You know,
with him and Wilson in there together, I think it's
been has been the thing that is turning everybody on
just seeing those two side by side. So you know,
hopefully I would definitely try to figure out some type
of pitch count to keep you more. But at the
(35:53):
same time, you have to be smart enough to allow
him to listen to his body too as well. So
with that being said, you know, he's young, and youth
is on his side at this point in time. But yeah,
three games in eleven days, like you said, for a
healthy dude, that's that's a big toe.
Speaker 10 (36:08):
That's a large toe.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
So pitch counting open, and you're already on your short
count because it was Monday night, so you're already on
a short week here.
Speaker 7 (36:15):
And it may not be the pitch count this game.
It may be a pitch you know, Like I'm looking
at what we got going on. If he's out there
balling and making an impact in the game, it's gonna
be hard for me to rain up pulling back in,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 10 (36:25):
So we're gonna have to see how it plays out.
Speaker 11 (36:26):
Yeah, you just gotta you know, like you said, yeah,
him and the training staff, which they got a great
staff over there, Gym and Britton, all those guys and Greg.
You just got to make sure, you know, throughout the game,
just every time you come out the field, how does
it feel, you know, you tweaking anything, How you know
your body's feeling out there? You fatigued because we all know,
you know, once that fatigue start, because this is what
second game back from injury, so we all know his conditioning.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
You're only getting.
Speaker 11 (36:49):
Shaped football shaped by playing football, so you know his
condition is not gonna be to where it was before
the injury. And we all know once you get fatigued
out there, that's when you know, technique goes out and
you start, you know, overcompensating on one thing, and then
you know how that snowball effect happens. So if I'm him,
I'm just you know, making sure keeping those trainers close
when you get back to the sideline.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
This is how I feel, is how my body feels.
Speaker 11 (37:12):
And he has to be honest, like he can you know,
sugarcoat things with the training staff. Oh, I feel great,
Everything's amazing and bunch of quads a little tired. You know,
you gotta be honest out here because you know you
want to be a part of something special. You want
to be a part of this comeback and all that
great stuff. But you're you're a young man. You still
got a lot of years God went and left in
this league. So you got to make sure you're smart
and communicate with the training staff and make sure they're
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on the same page.
Speaker 6 (37:34):
You already know, you already know being young, we ain't
thinking like that.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
None of that I will give you.
Speaker 6 (37:39):
On the field, somebody gonna have to help him in.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Kind of percent.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
And so you talk about the strict training staff, but
what is it.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Are there other guys in the room vets that can
come and have that conversation with him as well.
Speaker 8 (37:52):
I think so, uh Clinton Williams being the leader that
he is right now, like he's one of those guys
logan coming over there and saying, hey, bro, like were
gonna need you for is back in especially the playoff
hopes are still there. It's gonna say, if you got
a game that you know that you're winning, you know
how it is the young guy behind you, somebody that's
been preparing, they're asking for some snaps. They're doing that, Well,
maybe this is a time for you to be a
(38:12):
little selfless. Maybe it's the time for those vests to
come over there and say, hey, we got this in
the bag. And honestly, I'm kind of with you, ad
what you said, Like, I might not pull the rings
off of him in the Eagles game because this is
a divisional game and you got the hot hend right now,
but the next game it's like, okay, you got to
be ready to play right here. And so it's gonna
be a combination of everybody Overshawan being transparent with the
(38:36):
training staff, but then also the people that have played
around him, that know him before the injury and after
the injury to say, hey, I see you getting a
little excited. I see this and that like pull it
back right there. And when you had like at least
I know for guys like me, I played around Richard Sherman,
Cliff Abral Mike Bennett, those guys were able to say, hey,
young Buck, don't get too excited right now. Hey, tighten
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it back and do right there. And I respect their
opinion a little bit more.
Speaker 11 (38:59):
Yeah, it's it's going to be tough because you know,
when you want that football field between them lines. I
mean you just thinking about I got this is my
job communicating which your teammates are trying to get the
dub and it's it's it's tough for those those vents
and guys to be you know, if he's out there playing,
making plays and doing this thing, it's tough to be
like hey man.
Speaker 6 (39:20):
Yeah about yeah, so you won't right now. You just
locked in like.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
It's tough, man, It's tough.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
And as far as eber Flues goes, is that something
for him as a coordinator that he has to be
aware of or was that the linebacker coach?
Speaker 5 (39:35):
I mean where you know, I'm just trying to think
of all the levels.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Where because ultimately you talked about to Sadie, this is
a player that you're looking for for a number of years,
okay number of years and you've got the games you
talked about.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
You you've got a lot.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
We've got December. You've still got December coming up, three
games in eleven days. Just how do you make sure
you're protected because he is going to be the high
energy person that you talked about here and even to
see when he was like when I was talking to
you know, I'm just gonna go, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
I get it. You love that about him. But there's
got to be other people.
Speaker 11 (40:11):
Bruck come down a little bit, right, The training stab
is gonna have to me. The main ones got to
be him and the training stad. They got to be
on the same accord. And then you got your your
linebackers coach out there that's gonna be able to, you know,
get a little bit more in depth with them. Because
when you're when you're flu and you the DC, you
think who I got, who I got in this package?
Speaker 5 (40:29):
Is he available?
Speaker 11 (40:29):
Like he's not really over there thinking about who's you know,
he's like, who do I got this guy available for
this hot package or something like that. Like so he's
not really checking on the process of how each individual
player is feeling at that time. So I think it
gotta be with the training staff, you know, gotta be
with your with your with your position coach. And then
he's worried about the ex's and o's and get it
out there.
Speaker 7 (40:49):
What are the things that I've seen and like shout
out to those people in that training staff and in
this building. It's like the guys who have come back
off of injury and they've actually been able to come
back and compete at a high level.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
The ones that did rehab with them, what you're.
Speaker 6 (41:04):
Talking about, I'm just I'm like he said, all I'm here.
Speaker 8 (41:09):
Are two guys that came off major knee injuries that
we've seen.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
We're here.
Speaker 8 (41:15):
They were here during the off season, but not even
that taking the stuff further at the end of the game,
when you've seen them paying in it. Everybody you've seen shoddy, well,
guess what you're seeing. You've seen rebel right there, and
you've seen Brent sitting there. I know what that tapped me.
Speaker 17 (41:27):
You do good?
Speaker 9 (41:28):
I was a feeling this and that.
Speaker 10 (41:29):
So you guys know being hurt.
Speaker 7 (41:31):
You know when when you're when you're injured and you
feel like you're not part of the team. You and
that you and that training staff for you and those
rehab people, y'all get real close your teammates. And so
for those guys to be able to come back and
play and like not having the hiccups, like I said,
like all that faith they put in them, dudes, that
relationship in that bard even got that much tighter. You
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know like I trust you and so hopefully, you know,
like people will see like, hey, you don't have to
you don't have to leave here to get healthy, Like
this is a good building.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
So Ibraflus Finzer coordinator was asked about the rookie Schon
novel from East Carolina. He said, quote, he's great. He's
he's a big, tall, strong guy. I love his stop
and start. He really can stop those transition routes. He's
got really good length. He's no he says, uh, he's
a no house guest cover. He tackles. He's a good tackler.
I'm excited about where he's going. So I know some
(42:24):
people want to hear this, but you know, twenty twenty
six they might have.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
You know, yeah, I had a little something.
Speaker 11 (42:30):
He actually will get impressed and put hands on you
like that's That's the one thing I've seen from from Revel.
I'm like, he's impressed. He's not doing all his back
pedaling and mirroring with the feet. He getting hands on casts.
He's physical. Now that's what you love to see out
there with him. Go use your length, use it man.
Speaker 8 (42:45):
So he's playing like how these other dvs thought they
could play when they went up there, somebody and got
spun around.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
On Carson played Carson had had good snack, Bell came
in here, blands out there.
Speaker 5 (42:58):
At some point in time, if you can get digs back.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
As you're as you're as you're going down this stretch here,
you're gonna have You're gonna have to face the lions.
Chargers have some good receivers, so if you can start
to get healthy, they can make it interesting in the end.
But at this point in time, in my mind, I'm like,
you know, in twenty six, they should have something, Yeah,
they should they should have something. We'll see what happens
(43:26):
with George Pickens in his country and with Brandon Aubrey
in his contract the.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
Franchise, Dad, you only franchise one of them better.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
You think they gotta be you're talking about they're both great.
Speaker 8 (43:43):
Aurey man, that's a that's a conversation, that is that
is man.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
But they both cold.
Speaker 9 (43:51):
But Audrey so you But that's what I say. You
don't just pay Aubrey right now. He didn't have been.
Speaker 10 (43:58):
That's just for me.
Speaker 7 (43:59):
It's it's it's gonna get tough when you got that
much money tied up like say, potentially between two wide
receivers and your quarterback like that.
Speaker 10 (44:08):
That's that's that's gonna be tricky.
Speaker 5 (44:10):
That's a lot of bread.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
That's a lot of bread.
Speaker 5 (44:12):
It's a lot of bread. But this is just just
the if part.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
If they finish well fighting and competing, and let's say
they come up short one or two games, because you
you know you're gonna those games. The tie breakers are
gonna hurt you because you've lost into some NFC teams
like like Carolina.
Speaker 5 (44:33):
Who's playing well right now.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
So if they don't make it and looking at potentially
how they can close the show.
Speaker 5 (44:39):
If you're Jerry, you're eighty two years old, Yeah, what you.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
Waiting though, We're gonna right to check man, you know,
because hey, baby, you ain't promised too many more.
Speaker 18 (44:50):
By the way, with the Aubrey contract, he's a restricted
free agent next year, so you can put a tag
on him transition to so you can put like a
second round pick. So if someone signs him and you
can match whatever, you.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Get somebody definitely like a second round big.
Speaker 18 (45:08):
Yeah, you can match it so that they can offer
him a contract. If you match it, you get them.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
And you don't think Jerry will do there.
Speaker 18 (45:15):
No, I'm just saying you don't have to franchise.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
You got so you could do a transition tag on
the kicker, franchise tags pickets.
Speaker 5 (45:23):
Now, the moment you throw the franchise tag on, you
ain't gonna see them.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
You think it was his agent, that's his age.
Speaker 9 (45:30):
But dude, we know who his agent is.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
But your people, No, that ain't my people.
Speaker 9 (45:36):
Joby left.
Speaker 8 (45:37):
Jobey was a founder member, but he started Vanguard Sports.
He had to get up out of there. You had to.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
Get David Mullagat. I mean, okay, yeah, hear my friend.
Speaker 9 (45:48):
Here's my frat brother. He is my frat brother.
Speaker 5 (45:51):
Well you Slowell, No, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 9 (45:54):
The viewers, everybody in the viewership.
Speaker 8 (45:56):
That.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
Boy special. Anything George said, thank you, Trey. I always
appreciate these conversations, man, very chers of pastor.
Speaker 5 (46:07):
Look, this has been a place, lads, ron
Speaker 1 (46:12):
This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and
the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
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