September 16, 2025 • 44 mins
Newy Scruggs, Barry Church, Damontre Moore and Anthony Dorsett discuss latest Dallas Cowboys news and notes on The Player's Lounge.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
This is the Players Lounge, broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys
World headquarters at the Star. Now your hosts, Barry Church,
Anthony door Set, de Montree More, and Newly Scruggs.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Welcome to the Players Lounge right here at the w
SBC podcast studio at the Star in Risco, Texans show
headquarters of the Dallas Cowboys. Got Anthony dor Set, former
NFL player here, Trey More form NFL player Dallas Cowboy
Barry Church for player Dallas Cowboy here.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
I knew his Scruggs ain't play multi. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
You know what I mean, I wake up out.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
They ain't got no hurts.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Like y'all, just the smarter way.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
One thing I found when I went to the Pro
Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I was like, man, that there's your bus and they
need to put like what ligament you gave up out
your body? Because everyone when I saw these dudes with
gold Jackson, everybody had something.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
I'm like, hurting, man. Everybody was hurt. Man.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I mean you you weren't in the Hall of fame
unless you gave up something in your body. Like, man,
I'm just I'll just watch something that's true.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
It is something.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Man.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I remember the first time I met a bunch of
Hall of Deacon Jones, a bunch of people in that l.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
It was great.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
It was great. But man, I just saw just hit.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
I know he got them D Line fingers that they
talk about. Oh, I don't know about it.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Handshakes were scary.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
It's different, like you got two fingers going this way.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Like if you ever get to see Anthony Muno's former
Cincinnati baby, his.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Finger goes way. I mean it was way. Oh man.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, the handshakes when you meeting Hall of famerus is
very different, especially D Line because their hands are they're mangled,
they are mangled.
Speaker 6 (02:05):
Baldinger, Yes, every body, Yeah, Audie hands Jack Yeah.
Speaker 7 (02:09):
Audio NFL Network with your figures.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Without corner right now, I got eyes on all y'all.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
It is it is so all right.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Finally the week is over. Okay, two Monday night football games.
Baker Mayfield and company go down the field and they
make the game in Houston.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Was baking. Three of you all.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Had it yesterday.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Trey, you had a twenty four thirteen Tampa Church. You
had a twenty four fourteen Tampa dor set and you
had a twenty seven twenty fourth Tampa. I went with
Houston I had, I had a twenty one twenty.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I thought I was looking good too.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
It was almost got you.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Miko Ryan's defense, that's no pass rush.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Though they was missing some many time. Will was getting
around there a couple of times.
Speaker 7 (03:00):
I'm talking on that last ride, last round, they wasn't
making that.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
It was gas.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Then it wasn't good.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
It wasn't good.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
I'm you're at home now. Now Houston's going too.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
And you know, I sit around here and think by
the Cowboys being one and one and one and.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
One owing to the whole different type.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Of hole in this league, in this league of what
it is you're fighting through. And it was a home
game for Houston and you had a lead at the end.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
But if.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
I'm not mistaken, I believe the in in my in
my good brother Demiko, because you know that was my
doggie coach and played against him. In his defense, I
want to say, since he's been a head coach, they
started oh and to uh every time since he's been there,
and they made the playoffs. So if from Houston, I
ain't just gonna jump ship yet. I've been seeing a
lot of like, hey, what is Domico doing?
Speaker 4 (03:49):
What is CJ. Stroud doing for him? If if if.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
I'm him, I'm telling the team we've been here before,
we know how to do this. So it's not the
panic button. But for other teams that haven't been in there,
have been to the playoffs in a while, you can't
afford to take those steps.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Back, like isn't Casey? Oh and to right now is Casey?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I was gonna bring that up next to next two
for the Texans, They've got they got to go to
to Jacksonville, So going to that September game in the heat,
as you know, playing that that is not.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
An easy game.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
And then they host the Titans at home, so they
got two divisional games coming up at Slops.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Is not no Slops, but Jacksonville. If I'm there, I'm
saying this is what we're getting at licked.
Speaker 7 (04:32):
Back man crazy.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
The Titans is known for digging a hole in Jacksonville
the Titan period.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
And I'm talking about Jacksonville from what I've seen from
them and their gameplay and the way the team was
like dull, like you got your players over there, sit
over here, like I would be like, hey man, it's
a turmoil.
Speaker 7 (04:51):
Going on, NA.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
But I'm just saying that's that's a divisional game, like
you said, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (04:56):
I've been a part of that, that rivalry.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
If you want to call in that division, and yeah,
that's gonna be a good game. But at the same time,
I'm you know, here I go again with my heart right.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
They don't do it man or in the last place
right now.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
But at the same time, cam Ward is actually doing
the decent job and.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
His first touchdown pass, yeah he put on the dot.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
You're speaking to Kansas City there on Sunday night football
this week.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
They've got the Giants. They're going to the Giants, So
you gotta get that.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
I mean, when y'all see games like this, Okay, like
since since Cowboys just played the Giants and then the
case by playing, do y'all ever like say, measure the
teams off of how they play against that team too
as well? So like we're gonna look at k C
and say, okay, like if they played them like that,
could the Cowboys maybe beat k C?
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Do you do stuff like that. I can't.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
I feel like it's former players. We can't do that
no more because I haven't been my rookie year. I
was like, oh, that team beat them. We're historically better
than them. I know, we look better than them. And
then all of a sudden, that team we were just
looking down upon what they say any given Sunday.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Is so for me as a player, I don't look
at it like that.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
I do take some measurements and I say, hey, if
you're playing your best and then you do them like that,
then yeah.
Speaker 8 (06:15):
But no, no, it's all about matchups, man. For me,
That's how I always looked at the game. I mean, like,
you know, when you're going against their you know, line
might be transed, but they got skilled positions everywhere, and
they be like, man, it's gonna be a tough matchup
for us in the secondary and vice versa. Maybe their
wide receivers and tight ends aren't like that, but man,
they offensive line is like that, so we're gonna have
to be covering a little bit longer.
Speaker 9 (06:35):
So to me, it's always about matchups in the.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
National football He'll come in hot.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Bart Scott us always say that to me. Why I
wanted to radio show with him for it for a place.
Styles make fights, Yep, exactly, Styles make fights. Who says
you have to look at that? And then when I
read Bill Belichick's book this summer, The Art of Winning,
he said, what you says, you can't do it because
when do you play someone matters?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
You know, is it your health? Where are you at,
what are the conditions? You know?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
We talking about Florida, going to Florida in September, and
at the end of the year, it's different.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Man, win.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
They say, you got two hours to yourself throughout that
two hours. The good vests, they get their team together,
like I will never forget been in New York all
the vests, justin Tuck Introil Rose. They brought all the
rookies together and was like, no, you're getting the ivy
right now, Like we're gonna we need you, Demontre because
you're playing and we know how much you do this,
so we're paying for your IVY. And I didn't realize
the importance of it until like you got down there.
(07:32):
You played for Jacksonville's Miami it is it is mucky.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Yeah, you look.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
During during Bill Belichick's tenure at Miami, I mean in
New England. Winning at Miami was hard for him. And
I remember the great eighty five Bears the game they
only game they lost was December in Miami, and they
talked about, hey man, you know you're getting in that
it matters. So so that's why the thing is just
who do you play, where do you play in the
timing of it.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
What's the health of your football team?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
So to sit up here say hey, you know what,
you know they beat them, and how do I measure it?
Speaker 4 (08:03):
There?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
It's a total, totally different.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Thing because now if you're the Cowboys this Giants game,
considering what happened with your secondary and not happened blanded,
those kinds of things, what if three months later you
know you you fixed it and you're good.
Speaker 10 (08:17):
So all of it. It just it's a week to
week league. Basically, it is any given Sunday, it.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Is a week to week league.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
The other Monday night football game, the Raiders got tore
up by the Chargers. You her Trey ha Trey had
the Raiders seventeen thirteen.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Dorset.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
You had at twenty one fourteen Church and I we
went with with Herb Herb justin Herbert Church he had
at twenty to seventeen. I had a twenty six twenty chargers,
So they got it done. Apparently Tom Brady's in the
booths listening to you know.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Oh Tom Brady. D was going on, he can do
whatever you want.
Speaker 7 (08:54):
You're there, call it down.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
On the field. Hey, you can have these production meetings,
but not on TV. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (09:00):
You can go talk to these people and then go
up to the booth like, hey man, when they do
this and they get they looking at this guy, that's
crazy all day.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
That is what is so crazy about it, because we're
talking about the go of the game. We're talking about
a guy that plays the most important position on the field,
Like it's your job to break down coverages and stuff
like that, to play, to be a long tenured player
like he is now to be in the front office
on the ownership and then you see the sports broadcasting.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Yeah you crazy. If I ain't over here.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
I'm looking like this, and then next week I'm in
my owner suite. Hey I got a little tell whenever
he blinked like this.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
It's crazy. I mean, your facility, but that's why your facility.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Other people lookout, Robo broke it down when he did
his first coverage and breaking that game down. You don't
think Brady's doing that right now saying I.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Want to win.
Speaker 8 (09:45):
You guys, ever been in one of those like Sunday
night football Monday night production meetings? So I did a
couple with Chris Collinsworth and everything, and you know they'll
sit you down for about you know, fifteen twelve minutes
and they're asking everything. So you know, what do you
think the strengths are of your deep and you know
when you are you gonna attack this quarterback?
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Because they used a ten bits on the broadcast.
Speaker 8 (10:05):
I was talking to Church and you know, when they
come out of this formation, they see this, so this
is how they're gonna attack it.
Speaker 9 (10:11):
So it makes them, you know.
Speaker 8 (10:12):
Seem better in the booth what you understand and you
and you're and you're Brady, So you're gonna be in
that Collinsworth seat asking these questions. So when they play
the Raiders, gonna be man, you know they do this,
This is exactly what it's gonna be. Like.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
It's crazy, but do you but do you does he
get a little bit of leeway because it's like even
with him doing all that, y'all still lost, but he said,
you're still lost.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
No, Like no, because when we understand this is the
first year programming that making changes, but it also becomes
over a perception of it.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
He personally, I agree with y'all wholeheartedly, but as a
as a Raiders fan or Tom Brady's gonna be bla bro.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
What am I doing? We lost? Like we're good.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Because back in it's gonna come back to help you.
But I'm just playing Devil's advocate. That's wow, it is
it is. And then they kept flashing to him like, hey,
you see Tom said on.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
The fact that even said that.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
During the middle of the broadcast, they said, yo, Tom
sits in these meetings, and we talked to the coaches
saying thank you because of the way that he's showing
us the game. It's a whole different perspect.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
Because you hear how Pete Carroll came back like I
just saw it before we came in here. Pete Carroll
was on there just correcting some things because I think
it was I can't remember which coach was saying that. Yeah,
we talked to Tom. We go over game playing and
everything else.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
With you peek.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
Carro was like, nobody, don't hey, smart guy. Right Carroll
came back. It's like, now you know, he's just in
the building. He's a great resource to us. Let me
clean this up right now before we get in any
any trouble.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
With what the levy's break, because it's like they do
have a microscope on meal, Like that was a big knock.
It's just crazy how big of a knock this was
before the season even started, when people were like, Hey,
how's he going to call games and stuff? And now
that we're actually here in real live time, it's radio silent,
like you don't hear as much.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
I thought this morning I would have got up and hurt.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
And maybe because the Raiders didn't win, that's why a
lot of people weren't talking about it as much, but
I thought it would have been bigger headlines overall.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
You have to be very cautious if you're Jim Harball,
you know, and Brady's doing a game for you somewhere
down the road for Fox, because you're like, wait a minute, man,
you know you're in my division. I don't want to
sit around here and give you in and then so
so you're the head coach of the player and give
this do nothing.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
And that's that's that. That would be what I would tight.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
So I got a friend of mine, who I think
Terry Kills might be the first former NFL player that's
actually an official now right, play with me with the Titans.
Also played for the for the forty nine ers two
as well, and talking to him, they wouldn't allow him
to do games for teams.
Speaker 7 (12:44):
That he previously played for.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
So he couldn't do a forty nine game, he couldn't
do a Titan game. I think like eventually schedule end
up changing because they had to do something with you know,
just different officially officiating teams.
Speaker 7 (12:55):
But yeah, initially he couldn't even do any of those games.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Conflict of you're trying to prevented.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Really you're you're a detailed oriented guy.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Do you know like the nuances of like in his
contract or what they let be put out there what
he can do, because I know there were certain games
that Brady couldn't call, or at least they mentioned that.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Is there any restrictions?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
No, I don't know, I honestly I don't know, but
it's just just it was the perception, and that's what
so much of this comes down to the perception. And
then just when you go into these meetings, because I've
just even at a collegiate level, haven't talked to different
coaches at times that when these other coaches get let
go and all of a sudden, now they're here, that
sometimes they're even guarded about. Hey, you know, because the
(13:36):
coaching industry, everybody's friends, and some people closer friends than others.
Or hey, I got fired, but I used to coach
for so and so and such and such. They're in
these production means wondering, Okay, man, these are your boys
over here. What are you going to say? And people
can get upset at times and say, well, you're questioning
my integrity.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
But we know coaches are the most.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Superstitious dudes out here, secreted guys out here. So those
meetings and just who's in there, man, that stuff, that
stuff matters. But on that college level because they get
rid of so many guys. And then we also know this,
we seeing it too many these college coaches get fired
and want to go TV. They burned dog going around here.
They waiting to talk to the A D, the president
(14:16):
over that universe, Hey, Howard, things on I'm just I'm
just doing this, so.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
I don't know. Here you go.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I was I was waiting on Josh Hoover outside and
we were keen of staying with Carolina again with pro
TCU and no, no, they were coming off the field.
It was Jimbo Fisher who introduced himself to the president
at tc U, the chancellor.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Hey, you know a d they're shaking hands and everything.
Speaker 10 (14:41):
I was laughing as I would say, to hire them,
because you want some of that money back?
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Yes, yes, I want. Hey, you're talking.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
About somebody offset money.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Yes, get some of it back. So I just I
just let and you want Jimbo purple tie that? Boy? Good?
That boy? Hey? Hey hey Church, what you say? Boy?
You gotta give me that?
Speaker 7 (15:04):
You see that look good?
Speaker 4 (15:05):
And purple tie on?
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Do I have on purple? It was, you know what
I said.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
But they say work smarter, not harder. I'm not opposed
to it.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yeah, boy good?
Speaker 4 (15:22):
All right.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Jerry Jones with some things to say on his radio
show on Tuesday, especially about the secondary for people.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Who have some questions too.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Let's dive into that next with Barry Church.
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Speaker 5 (18:38):
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Speaker 3 (18:45):
Not yeah, So he said, blad Mike, Blad.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Mike, that's crazy for are you But are they rushing
him back? Like I asked these questions and that's.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
A legitimate question. But the owner said, you know, it
could be.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
What he said goes we all know this around.
Speaker 8 (19:01):
Doctor Jones played you can't gilly a.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
He didn't say play this week, but he just said
on the way he's on the way, I don't matter.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
You need somebody here yesterday? What are we talking about?
Did somebody throw up four of them things on you? Like,
like to disrespect somebody a player that's already been here,
that is a proven perennial pro bowler and still has something.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Left in the team. You can't. You can't, all right,
you can't discredit experience.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
So here here's something.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
And I love this because I got it from Mickey
Spagnol who works over here as well.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
What's the cost? Because all day long this is true.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
You know this is true.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Stefani just coming there from a million dollars.
Speaker 7 (19:50):
He no, he's not anywhere.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
He's not gonna come for a million because, first of all,
his VET minimum is way more than okay.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
But but he's got you got okay to get to
get you off the couch, to get anybody off the
couch who's been a defensive player of the Year with
a resume like that, dude ain't just coming up here
for niggas gave.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
Like the need. I'm sorry, I don't mean to get
too frustrated about that, but you gave Clowney this money
coming off the couch. That was a dire need for
a dire situation. Four of them things over four hundred
plus throwing your You don't need him.
Speaker 7 (20:27):
Well if they need him in here for for he
can teach.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
He could teach, he can coach, and he can still play,
and they need to pay that right now.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Diggs was following this man when he was here.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
He exactly.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
So I'm not debating you on that.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
When I'm debating you on when we have when we
talk about these things, you always have to what does
the player want? Because Clowney came here. I'm good right now.
You know what I really meant. The number ein't what
I needed to be. Next thing, you know, Russ dropping
bombs over the back.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Then hey, you're gonna come meet that number hunh.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
Yeah, we got it, what found it?
Speaker 10 (21:05):
We got him, got gonna be calling in five minutes.
I told you, you show me the money. So so
I mean and and looks just look at Gilmore's career.
He like climbing and he played for free. No I
got I got he got a real.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
They do, but they did South Carolina, so you you don't.
But but when you got situations like that, you know
there's a diar need and you're trying to get back
in there. We all know that your homeboy hits you up. Man,
just take a little bit of a discount. It's gonna
be good over here. We chicken, bro, you can come
do your thing.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
He done that.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
But the whole thing is this, though he says that
he wants to play like he's he he's publicly said that.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
He wanted to play.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
And if you don't have a lot of people knocking
on your door, you know you're gonna take what's what's
coming down.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
To pack that number, that number is gonna go down
a little bit, just a little bit.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
I don't I don't know, Like that's you have that
many options, right, That's what I said.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Like who I think he has options? Like you said.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
I just think the number is not what it wanted
to be. Like who's gonna who's going to give you
in first? Like I'm giving you all my numbers. Somebody's
gonna meet this number. And I think it's the way.
Speaker 9 (22:13):
This is also a man that's made a ton.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Of money, a ton of how does his body.
Speaker 8 (22:18):
And so is he gonna sit there on the couch
and be like Yo, nobody's called, but Cowboy's coming in
for one five.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
I'm good, like, it's not worth it. That's what I said.
You gotta gotta those injuries.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
When I was doing radio show bar Scott, that was
the same thing. It's like, hey man, I'm not playing
right now, he said. And I've had offers, but I'm
not coming for that exactly. And he said, I because automatically.
And I loved how Bart thought about whatever number you
tell me, slice it in half the taxes right now,
and he said, is it worth my body and what
I'm going to have to give and the way I
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play for this? And nobody made him that offer, said
he never went back and play. Once he stopped, He's like, nah,
it's not worth it to my body. And so if
I'm I'm imagining Gilmour, who has a Hall of fame
resume exactly, a hall of fame resume, not getting off
the couch for any old Nichols and dimes. That's that's
how I would perceive it without talking to him, Without
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talking to him, and he has a legitimate case.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Oh yeah, I can see.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
Them trying to offer him less than they gave Clowney
Like I like that that he now look.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
I don't thine what say you said he had?
Speaker 4 (23:32):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
But the only thing I'm gonna say what that is,
who's more impactful that cornerback or that pass rusher?
Speaker 4 (23:40):
You go overpay for that pass rusher right in that
cornerback off if you're going bargain hunting and fifty yards, man,
it's true.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
So I also say, that's that's why you talk about
Clowney versus Gil. You've seen what Gilly can do and
you've you've seen it up close and personal. You saw
the impact he had on Digs, So so what he
can do and what he's in known quantity, So I
would I would think put that as a check mark
for him that Jerry should look at it. Here's something
else that Jerry said, cool as much as anything, it's
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buying into the scheme. You've got to handle your responsibilities.
You can't just be out there trying to make a play.
Make sure your responsibilities are covered first. That's Jerry's talking
about the whole defensive issues with the team right now.
So I asked all of you, is this the product
of three straight defensive coordinators and three straight defensive schemes
(24:32):
of people trying to.
Speaker 8 (24:32):
Figure out what I believe it could be and when
what you always say is it talent or technique, and
a lot of those blown coverages, to.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Me, it was technique.
Speaker 8 (24:42):
You know, bad eyes, you know you're in a deep third,
but you're still looking in the backfield, slow black pedal,
you letting you know, guys go by you.
Speaker 9 (24:49):
You're just not really understanding the scheme. So a lot
to do with that.
Speaker 8 (24:53):
I don't think it's just these guys are just out
getting out skelled, like they're just out there getting routed up.
I don't think it's like that. I think in this
coverage you just had, you know, your technique is bad
bad eyes, and these are all things that are coachable.
So I feel like you got to understand your personnel
a little bit better as well. With all due respect,
Dominovan Wilson is not a deep player, like a deep
half safety, a deep you know, deep coverage type safety.
(25:16):
He does most of his damage when he's in the box,
or he's that kind of rap player where he's just
reading and reacting coming downhill. Laying people out like that
is his willbox. That's where he's gonna make a lot
of his money. The deep part of the field I
think should be primarily where Hooker plays. I mean, he's
used to that back in Indianapolis when he first came
as a first round pick, he was a dog back there,
(25:36):
red line, the red line, all over the place, covering
people mistakes. So for me, I think they've got to
get a better understanding and eba Flus has to do
this of what makes your putting your players in their
best position to make plays. And having Donovan Wilson back
there at that deep kind of cover safety is just
not not where it needs to be a map posite, but.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
They do it.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
To me, it still boils down a lot to this.
Evira Flues thought he was gonna have Michael Parsons. He
thought he was going to have the racer in here,
and and and that right there being said that he
does not have that no more like and come on,
they based a lot of that off.
Speaker 7 (26:13):
Of the pressure that he was going to be able
to produce, you know.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
And so with that being said, you know, like this
defense is not being run to the capabilities that it
is supposed to be, like what you guys have been
talking about, Like I heard you, it's guys gonna be
going here they're gonna be doing this and that it
ain't happening.
Speaker 7 (26:28):
It ain't happening.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
You're point taking, But what's your job as a coach?
Cover up the warts?
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Gotta make it work, you gotta figure out.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Hey, Chuck Dailey, for a great basketball coach, said, your
job as a coach is to cover up the where
are they stick a band aid on it and cover
it up and keep it covered up as long as
he can before somebody pulls a band aid off and
explosives and so whatever Flues thought he was getting and
White Cotton thought they were getting, it's not there. They
did have opportunities in camp because he wasn't out there
(26:58):
a lot so to figure it out. And so let's
see what it is. And clearly bringing in clowning was well,
we always gonna have a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
We don't. So you're trying to help it, but I don't.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
This is the least me me myself personally. I think
I don't think it's more so the Mica thing. I
think it's more so what Barry is saying. And to
break it down a little bit further, this is if
you play for Flus, Like I said, this is a
very simple defense, Like it's not like you're doing too much.
So with it being simple, you should be able to
play your technique to the best of its potential. I
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think during the preseason a lot of people were doing that.
But y'all know as well as I do. When you
get that opportunity and it's like, hey, you potentially go
out there and make one good play with a name
that's not here, there's a lot of unproven stuff. It's
guys that you got that are playing the role and saying, hey,
I'm gonna do my part. But when I get out here,
oh I got to make this play, I'm an bite
on it.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
So what about last year because we heard some of
the same stuff with Zimmer, and Zimmer kind of admitted
it afterwards, like, yeah, I should have done some things
differently my defense, But like who's buying into the defense
some times?
Speaker 6 (28:00):
And this is a question we all noticed as players,
Like some coordinators, are they creative enough to make changes
like that or are they just stuck in their ways
and it's their.
Speaker 7 (28:11):
Scheme more so over with the players they have oh right, So.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
No, no, no, And so that's what I'm seeing, you know,
Like basically, as a coordinator.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Just like what you said, you got to be able to.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
Work around the talent that you have.
Speaker 6 (28:22):
And if that scheme that you put in ain't gonna
be able to work for the talent that you have,
you have to get creative enough to be able to
go outside the box and still make some changes and
hopefully get successful with what you're doing.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
And I think, and like I said, I might be
biased because I played for him, I think Evrafous is
creative enough to do that. Like he sticks to his
fundamentals as far as the flour wide system, but he's
had success here at the Cowboys when he was the
linebacker coaching he was calling the plays to when he
left here and had the success with Indy. You had
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the same defensive scheme, but you had completely different players.
You had a from Michael Parsons over here dominate when
you came here or when you come back to where
you got the Forest Buckner over there that's doing his thing.
You have multiple Like you've had guys like what was
the Shaq Leonard that was the linebacker over there when
(29:15):
he was here?
Speaker 4 (29:16):
He had Uh there you go.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
You got Sean you got Sean Lee, you got you
got guys like Kenny Moore, who playing style is completely
different from Trayvon Dick, so I would say that he's
had success in all those It's just about, like you said,
are the players really going to buy into it? And
then eventually a lot of this is on this on
the players, like nobody told like Donovan, if you know
(29:39):
that coach is putting you in a bad situation, I
think that's where the veteranship and this is why I
would think Gilly would be a good factor is don't
put yourself in in the bad situation. You know you're
not fast enough to come down here, give yourself an
extra little little cushion there, Elam, you should not be
over here trying to press somebody and you only a
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buck talling not even six flip in cleats like and
trying to go do somebody like this like you made
up Barry, y'all. And like I said, I'm a defensive lineman,
so we see stuff like straight and narrow, y'all tell
me as a dB because y'all got to pay for it.
Y'all gotta pay attention not only to the quarterback the receiver,
and y'all are more reaction based, so you have to
prepare better as far as being the reactor versus the
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react the reaction, if that makes sense.
Speaker 8 (30:23):
And that's why to me, film study was such a
big thing in my book because I was never you know,
the fastest, quickest, didn't have you know, the hips and
all that. But if I knew what the offense was
going to do pre snap based on the formations, whether
it's two by two, three point.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
One, it allowed me to play from.
Speaker 8 (30:37):
A four to six to a four to four on
there because I knew what was coming and ahead of time.
And when it comes down to putting your players in
the right position, it's it's a real delicate process, especially
at the safety spot because you know there's guys that
they don't want to be in the middle of the
field all day every day.
Speaker 9 (30:54):
Like I'm sure Hooker's like, man, let me get some
action down there.
Speaker 8 (30:57):
But you know what made Seattle so great and they're
too ten back there because her was like, I'm a
middle of the feel safety, I'm gonna make plays being
in the middle of the field. Cam Chansen was like,
I'm this box boomer, but I've been in teams where
it's like bro, I've been in the back all day,
Switch me up, let me get some burn down there.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
And then that's when things happen. Man.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
So I w Rod Woodson came to the Raiders man
and shout out to Rod when my player, Yeah, got
all time favorite players, one of my football heroes.
Speaker 7 (31:27):
But like, we were in a place where we were
able to just rock and.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Roll with it.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
And that's why who that's what rock and roll is.
That's like whatever the defense calls for. If I'm already
on the right and he's already on the left, whatever
it calls for it, if I got to go down
or he gotta go down, we were just rock and roll.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
We just switched each other's position. This guys.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Yeah, and it's good to be able to have safeties
back there and players like that who can manipulate that.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
But they got a wait that your your decade or
not your decade, but you're when you play. I felt
like people were inter changeable versus where when I first
came into the league and them, I was like, oh,
I'm gonna play both sides because I got von Miller
sean Porter when I got to the league and I told.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Him, yeah, I can play this side.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
It was new to me, because which side do you
want to play when you earn that right to be
on that side? Like you said, it's some guys that
will say, I'm never moving out to spot er.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
This is me right here. Let me get some burn.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
And that's where I think we do ourselves as athletes coaches.
As a disservice is not making a defensive and I'll
break it down even further for a defensive line.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
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when the owner says he wants to pay you as
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Speaker 3 (35:19):
All right, Tyler Smith got paid over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Give him a bag right now, so Tyler spid ninety
six million dollar contract extention, so.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
So good for him.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Hide the okay in the fold and uh, you know, hey,
young man, they drafted.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Uh this is where you should put your money.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Into people when you draft.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
And now that they're not paying Michael Parson, somebody's got
to get a bag. And so Tyler Smith got a bag,
bron Bland got a bag whose name Aubrey is apparently
up neck got to me, he got it.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
Go ahead, Jerry, get it over special.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Jerry told one to five three the Fans radio show today,
he's certainly coming.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
We'll be looking at that.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Probably had communications since the kick and uh, he says,
but it certainly in the future.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
So Jerry wants to pay him.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
But now, if you're a player considering, Jerry did say
he wanted to pay Michael Parsons. Mike Parson get his money,
and Brandon Aubrey is not settling for anything less than
the top market as the kicker.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
If the Tyler Smith.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Gonna get it as a guard and that go get
as a quarterback, I mean I shouldn't say I should
as soon there will be no discounts.
Speaker 8 (36:22):
Can't be no discounts on this this is the best
kicker in the national football and head and he said,
and we were interviewing him, he said, look, I'm built
for this moment. And I was like, man, you know what,
You're right about that man, because he went out there
sixty four yards. I don't care if it's a dome
or not, game on the line nine the screen.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
He just rocked it in there winner.
Speaker 8 (36:46):
And he's been doing this consistently for the past what
at least two three years. So to me, we always
talk about I know, you always say, you know, Jerry
never lets one of his guys go.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Michael Parcels was the first.
Speaker 8 (36:57):
But to me, this is this is an offensive weapon
and you you can't let a bona five three points.
You don't even have to get the midfield, you just
got to get to the forty five on your side
in order to be in his range. You can't let
that that type of automatic points go.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
And I believe they'll get the job done. Well.
Speaker 8 (37:13):
His contract be as high as you know Parsons or
or Tyler Smith.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
It won't kick. It's not gonna be that hot. He's
going to have a record, got to get it in.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
He be real, he's going to have a record breaking
contract and the market, he's gonna set the market. It's
always somebody that got to do it. On top of that,
you got an owner that actually, like you, publicly have
said it with no disput that's been going on, and
I'm gonna have to go back to one of the
major facts that we've been hearing a suit all season
from Newie, Jerry don't let his guys go. And with
(37:45):
that being said, he let one go. That's a defensive player.
We all know that defensive players are the step childs
of the league. You can let them go, but what
what offensive First of all, a guy that is the best,
not arguably the best, but the known best in his position.
And then like you said, he's a kicker, but he's
an offensive weapon. What offensive weapon? Knew he You've been
covering the Cowboys for over twenty plus year. What offensive
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weapon has he let Jerry has let go that's been
in his prime. That was the only way, yeah, product,
that was the only one. But what about that? But
there was also, if I'm not mistaken, one of their
stuff about off the field stuff.
Speaker 9 (38:22):
You let him go, which was it was the right decision.
I mean, he was running back it's kind.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Of Yeah, DeMarco had a great season. Yeah, I never
thought he was a great running back.
Speaker 5 (38:31):
But this is a great kicker. We're talking about, like
like your offensive lineman. They're going to play at least
fifteen to twenty years of we got this, Like, I
can't help but think of Genakowski, like him doing his
stay for as long a's like, you're going to be here,
why not keep him in his prime?
Speaker 4 (38:47):
So I don't personally see him letting them, okay, but
we can do. So.
Speaker 6 (38:51):
I think he's I don't think he's going anywhere, and
I think he's only going to get better with time.
Speaker 7 (38:55):
You know, like.
Speaker 6 (38:56):
We're used to kickers who have been kicking since footballs
since elementary high school, pop warn or whatever. It is,
like this dude only been kicking footballs for like how
many years now.
Speaker 9 (39:08):
He's because he was you know.
Speaker 6 (39:10):
I mean, so, I only think that he's going to
continue to get better. And then, just like you said,
to be able to have a weapon that you don't
have to cross the fifty yard line to actually get
points on the board.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
You need a touch. You can get a touch, man,
you already after twenty five, like you know, two first down.
Speaker 6 (39:26):
So that being said, like I believe said he's gonna
set the market, and he's gonna he's gonna set that market.
But I don't think there's another kicker that's going to
even come close to it right now after he sets
that market.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
So the market was set by Harrison Bucker of Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
He just missed one other day, four years.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Twenty five million dollars twenty five point six million, and
UH produce Chrispy says it was seventeen point seven million
of that guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
So there's there's the bar.
Speaker 5 (39:53):
So it goes twenty six eighteen years, Jaricho give him
this quick here, matter of fact, I mean twenty six
cents a plus?
Speaker 3 (40:01):
I mean, why why not? I mean, this is this
is fair.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
It's more than this is if he If Jerry goes
in there and says four years, twenty six million, eighteen guaranteed,
that's that that right there, if you Bucker sell it,
and this is you guys played, So you guys would
have this better understanding than me.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
Bucker's from here. There's no state taxes.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
Here, yeah, he gets none.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
To me, that seems like I wouldn't want, you know, right,
that's what I would assume.
Speaker 5 (40:28):
Then you also got an owner that loves to be flashy,
that loves to be the guy that Hey, I pride
myself on doing this, so like to even it up
a little bit with the kickers. And you got the
best one here, let me go ahead flex and pay
him like that. It's pennies on the dollar, so I
mean compared to what you could have been. You got
all this extra money with Michael gone. Now you see
everybody else getting the bag. Why not lock up all
(40:50):
my toys so I can go get my new toy.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
This isn't once again, this is paying the best player.
I don't and this is my opinion. I don't think
you can argue it. Tell me that somebody's a better
kicker right now. Randon Aubrey in the game in the
past two years, Like this is pretty I thought on
the broadcast had a great thing when they said Dave
Boll said, if they get, if the Cowboys get, if
they get past the fifties, you're in range for you
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got chip shot his rangers passed. Once you half to fifty,
you're in his range. And what an awesome weapon for Shati.
If you're a play caller you've got a fan. Hey,
we don't have to do much. I go back to
the Philadelphia game. If Sanders doesn't funnel, they just get
three right there at.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
The end of the gay three minutes to go.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
It's a whole different way. You're calling the plays and
getting down the fields. It's a whole different thing. So
the ability to sign the weapon and all three of
you got in this league by playing special teams. When
you made your major bones, you're winning the special teams game.
Speaker 5 (41:45):
And that whoever the special team coordinated, like anywhere around
the league, they're gonna be sitting there standing on the table.
You don't think the coach is like, Jerry, please don't
let this one go.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
Please don't let.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
Me out as a special team coordinator. I'm trying to
make sure he gets paid because my job is secured.
If that man is on the ross by.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
The way, still Turpin, you know had to leave the game.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
They haven't anywhere. I was just about to say, serignificant.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
You know, there's still kind of day to day came.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
But yeah, that that's another thing going in Chicago is
he affects so much of your roster. If you don't
have a Cavante Turpin from what he does in the
return game and how they were using him as an
offensive weapons and maybe maybe maybe Jay and Blue.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
Done that.
Speaker 5 (42:39):
At like, hey man, hate to see her still going.
Well you're going there to day before the game and
you hit them and be like, hey man, I know
it's been a strong week.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
You think he's gonna make it back.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Okay, you guys, so if you if you get the news, Turp,
you know, dudes out here kicking feeling punts extra out there.
Speaker 5 (42:59):
What you're gonna have guys that ain't even return to
kick but they returned to their sophomore year in college. Hey, coach,
I can do this right, do it, coach, Hey coach,
I'm just trying to help the team. Whatever you need
more value.
Speaker 6 (43:10):
Like hey, my first my first touchdown in the league
was the kickoff return, and I never got to do
it in college, and I never got to do it
no more after that. But nothing is like I got
put the guy there, took it back nine nine yards.
Speaker 4 (43:24):
Hey man. We got mail grade for that.
Speaker 6 (43:28):
And then I had got slick anyway before because I
knew I could do it. My first touchdown playing Pop
Warner was a seventy five yard kickoff. Ever, so I'm
already knowing I could do kickoff return, So of course
I put that incentive in my contract with like if
I take back two kickoffs and do this and do that.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
Y'all you ain't getting that, you got one. Go ahead,
Chill brother, I'm telling you.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
That's good stuff.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
It's different, bro, that's good stuff, all right, man, fun
show today.
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Cowboys are off today.
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They'll they'll get ready tomorrow with their Wednesday practice tickt.
The Chicago Bears, who are oh in to this game,
will be in the Windy City. Matt Ebraflus, the defensive coordinator,
will be returning, returning home.
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This is the Players Lounge, broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys
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Speaker 3 (00:52):
I knew his Scruggs ain't play multi. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
You know what I mean, I wake up out.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
They ain't got no hurts.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Like y'all, just the smarter way.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
One thing I found when I went to the Pro
Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I was like, man, that there's your bus and they
need to put like what ligament you gave up out
your body? Because everyone when I saw these dudes with
gold Jackson, everybody had something.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
I'm like, hurting, man. Everybody was hurt. Man.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I mean you you weren't in the Hall of fame
unless you gave up something in your body. Like, man,
I'm just I'll just watch something that's true.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
It is something.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Man.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I remember the first time I met a bunch of
Hall of Deacon Jones, a bunch of people in that l.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
It was great.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
It was great. But man, I just saw just hit.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
I know he got them D Line fingers that they
talk about. Oh, I don't know about it.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Handshakes were scary.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
It's different, like you got two fingers going this way.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Like if you ever get to see Anthony Muno's former
Cincinnati baby, his.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Finger goes way. I mean it was way. Oh man.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, the handshakes when you meeting Hall of famerus is
very different, especially D Line because their hands are they're mangled,
they are mangled.
Speaker 6 (02:05):
Baldinger, Yes, every body, Yeah, Audie hands Jack Yeah.
Speaker 7 (02:09):
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Speaker 4 (02:13):
Without corner right now, I got eyes on all y'all.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
It is it is so all right.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Finally the week is over. Okay, two Monday night football games.
Baker Mayfield and company go down the field and they
make the game in Houston.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Was baking. Three of you all.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Had it yesterday.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Trey, you had a twenty four thirteen Tampa Church. You
had a twenty four fourteen Tampa dor set and you
had a twenty seven twenty fourth Tampa. I went with
Houston I had, I had a twenty one twenty.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I thought I was looking good too.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
It was almost got you.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Miko Ryan's defense, that's no pass rush.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Though they was missing some many time. Will was getting
around there a couple of times.
Speaker 7 (03:00):
I'm talking on that last ride, last round, they wasn't
making that.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
It was gas.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Then it wasn't good.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
It wasn't good.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
I'm you're at home now. Now Houston's going too.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
And you know, I sit around here and think by
the Cowboys being one and one and one and.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
One owing to the whole different type.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Of hole in this league, in this league of what
it is you're fighting through. And it was a home
game for Houston and you had a lead at the end.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
But if.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
I'm not mistaken, I believe the in in my in
my good brother Demiko, because you know that was my
doggie coach and played against him. In his defense, I
want to say, since he's been a head coach, they
started oh and to uh every time since he's been there,
and they made the playoffs. So if from Houston, I
ain't just gonna jump ship yet. I've been seeing a
lot of like, hey, what is Domico doing?
Speaker 4 (03:49):
What is CJ. Stroud doing for him? If if if.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
I'm him, I'm telling the team we've been here before,
we know how to do this. So it's not the
panic button. But for other teams that haven't been in there,
have been to the playoffs in a while, you can't
afford to take those steps.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Back, like isn't Casey? Oh and to right now is Casey?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I was gonna bring that up next to next two
for the Texans, They've got they got to go to
to Jacksonville, So going to that September game in the heat,
as you know, playing that that is not.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
An easy game.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
And then they host the Titans at home, so they
got two divisional games coming up at Slops.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Is not no Slops, but Jacksonville. If I'm there, I'm
saying this is what we're getting at licked.
Speaker 7 (04:32):
Back man crazy.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
The Titans is known for digging a hole in Jacksonville
the Titan period.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
And I'm talking about Jacksonville from what I've seen from
them and their gameplay and the way the team was
like dull, like you got your players over there, sit
over here, like I would be like, hey man, it's
a turmoil.
Speaker 7 (04:51):
Going on, NA.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
But I'm just saying that's that's a divisional game, like
you said, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (04:56):
I've been a part of that, that rivalry.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
If you want to call in that division, and yeah,
that's gonna be a good game. But at the same time,
I'm you know, here I go again with my heart right.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
They don't do it man or in the last place
right now.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
But at the same time, cam Ward is actually doing
the decent job and.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
His first touchdown pass, yeah he put on the dot.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
You're speaking to Kansas City there on Sunday night football
this week.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
They've got the Giants. They're going to the Giants, So
you gotta get that.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
I mean, when y'all see games like this, Okay, like
since since Cowboys just played the Giants and then the
case by playing, do y'all ever like say, measure the
teams off of how they play against that team too
as well? So like we're gonna look at k C
and say, okay, like if they played them like that,
could the Cowboys maybe beat k C?
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Do you do stuff like that. I can't.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
I feel like it's former players. We can't do that
no more because I haven't been my rookie year. I
was like, oh, that team beat them. We're historically better
than them. I know, we look better than them. And
then all of a sudden, that team we were just
looking down upon what they say any given Sunday.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Is so for me as a player, I don't look
at it like that.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
I do take some measurements and I say, hey, if
you're playing your best and then you do them like that,
then yeah.
Speaker 8 (06:15):
But no, no, it's all about matchups, man. For me,
That's how I always looked at the game. I mean, like,
you know, when you're going against their you know, line
might be transed, but they got skilled positions everywhere, and
they be like, man, it's gonna be a tough matchup
for us in the secondary and vice versa. Maybe their
wide receivers and tight ends aren't like that, but man,
they offensive line is like that, so we're gonna have
to be covering a little bit longer.
Speaker 9 (06:35):
So to me, it's always about matchups in the.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
National football He'll come in hot.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Bart Scott us always say that to me. Why I
wanted to radio show with him for it for a place.
Styles make fights, Yep, exactly, Styles make fights. Who says
you have to look at that? And then when I
read Bill Belichick's book this summer, The Art of Winning,
he said, what you says, you can't do it because
when do you play someone matters?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
You know, is it your health? Where are you at,
what are the conditions? You know?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
We talking about Florida, going to Florida in September, and
at the end of the year, it's different.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Man, win.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
They say, you got two hours to yourself throughout that
two hours. The good vests, they get their team together,
like I will never forget been in New York all
the vests, justin Tuck Introil Rose. They brought all the
rookies together and was like, no, you're getting the ivy
right now, Like we're gonna we need you, Demontre because
you're playing and we know how much you do this,
so we're paying for your IVY. And I didn't realize
the importance of it until like you got down there.
(07:32):
You played for Jacksonville's Miami it is it is mucky.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Yeah, you look.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
During during Bill Belichick's tenure at Miami, I mean in
New England. Winning at Miami was hard for him. And
I remember the great eighty five Bears the game they
only game they lost was December in Miami, and they
talked about, hey man, you know you're getting in that
it matters. So so that's why the thing is just
who do you play, where do you play in the
timing of it.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
What's the health of your football team?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
So to sit up here say hey, you know what,
you know they beat them, and how do I measure it?
Speaker 4 (08:03):
There?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
It's a total, totally different.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Thing because now if you're the Cowboys this Giants game,
considering what happened with your secondary and not happened blanded,
those kinds of things, what if three months later you
know you you fixed it and you're good.
Speaker 10 (08:17):
So all of it. It just it's a week to
week league. Basically, it is any given Sunday, it.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Is a week to week league.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
The other Monday night football game, the Raiders got tore
up by the Chargers. You her Trey ha Trey had
the Raiders seventeen thirteen.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Dorset.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
You had at twenty one fourteen Church and I we
went with with Herb Herb justin Herbert Church he had
at twenty to seventeen. I had a twenty six twenty chargers,
So they got it done. Apparently Tom Brady's in the
booths listening to you know.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Oh Tom Brady. D was going on, he can do
whatever you want.
Speaker 7 (08:54):
You're there, call it down.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
On the field. Hey, you can have these production meetings,
but not on TV. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (09:00):
You can go talk to these people and then go
up to the booth like, hey man, when they do
this and they get they looking at this guy, that's
crazy all day.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
That is what is so crazy about it, because we're
talking about the go of the game. We're talking about
a guy that plays the most important position on the field,
Like it's your job to break down coverages and stuff
like that, to play, to be a long tenured player
like he is now to be in the front office
on the ownership and then you see the sports broadcasting.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Yeah you crazy. If I ain't over here.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
I'm looking like this, and then next week I'm in
my owner suite. Hey I got a little tell whenever
he blinked like this.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
It's crazy. I mean, your facility, but that's why your facility.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Other people lookout, Robo broke it down when he did
his first coverage and breaking that game down. You don't
think Brady's doing that right now saying I.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Want to win.
Speaker 8 (09:45):
You guys, ever been in one of those like Sunday
night football Monday night production meetings? So I did a
couple with Chris Collinsworth and everything, and you know they'll
sit you down for about you know, fifteen twelve minutes
and they're asking everything. So you know, what do you
think the strengths are of your deep and you know
when you are you gonna attack this quarterback?
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Because they used a ten bits on the broadcast.
Speaker 8 (10:05):
I was talking to Church and you know, when they
come out of this formation, they see this, so this
is how they're gonna attack it.
Speaker 9 (10:11):
So it makes them, you know.
Speaker 8 (10:12):
Seem better in the booth what you understand and you
and you're and you're Brady, So you're gonna be in
that Collinsworth seat asking these questions. So when they play
the Raiders, gonna be man, you know they do this,
This is exactly what it's gonna be. Like.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
It's crazy, but do you but do you does he
get a little bit of leeway because it's like even
with him doing all that, y'all still lost, but he said,
you're still lost.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
No, Like no, because when we understand this is the
first year programming that making changes, but it also becomes
over a perception of it.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
He personally, I agree with y'all wholeheartedly, but as a
as a Raiders fan or Tom Brady's gonna be bla bro.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
What am I doing? We lost? Like we're good.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Because back in it's gonna come back to help you.
But I'm just playing Devil's advocate. That's wow, it is
it is. And then they kept flashing to him like, hey,
you see Tom said on.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
The fact that even said that.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
During the middle of the broadcast, they said, yo, Tom
sits in these meetings, and we talked to the coaches
saying thank you because of the way that he's showing
us the game. It's a whole different perspect.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
Because you hear how Pete Carroll came back like I
just saw it before we came in here. Pete Carroll
was on there just correcting some things because I think
it was I can't remember which coach was saying that. Yeah,
we talked to Tom. We go over game playing and
everything else.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
With you peek.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
Carro was like, nobody, don't hey, smart guy. Right Carroll
came back. It's like, now you know, he's just in
the building. He's a great resource to us. Let me
clean this up right now before we get in any
any trouble.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
With what the levy's break, because it's like they do
have a microscope on meal, Like that was a big knock.
It's just crazy how big of a knock this was
before the season even started, when people were like, Hey,
how's he going to call games and stuff? And now
that we're actually here in real live time, it's radio silent,
like you don't hear as much.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
I thought this morning I would have got up and hurt.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
And maybe because the Raiders didn't win, that's why a
lot of people weren't talking about it as much, but
I thought it would have been bigger headlines overall.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
You have to be very cautious if you're Jim Harball,
you know, and Brady's doing a game for you somewhere
down the road for Fox, because you're like, wait a minute, man,
you know you're in my division. I don't want to
sit around here and give you in and then so
so you're the head coach of the player and give
this do nothing.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
And that's that's that. That would be what I would tight.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
So I got a friend of mine, who I think
Terry Kills might be the first former NFL player that's
actually an official now right, play with me with the Titans.
Also played for the for the forty nine ers two
as well, and talking to him, they wouldn't allow him
to do games for teams.
Speaker 7 (12:44):
That he previously played for.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
So he couldn't do a forty nine game, he couldn't
do a Titan game. I think like eventually schedule end
up changing because they had to do something with you know,
just different officially officiating teams.
Speaker 7 (12:55):
But yeah, initially he couldn't even do any of those games.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Conflict of you're trying to prevented.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Really you're you're a detailed oriented guy.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Do you know like the nuances of like in his
contract or what they let be put out there what
he can do, because I know there were certain games
that Brady couldn't call, or at least they mentioned that.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Is there any restrictions?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
No, I don't know, I honestly I don't know, but
it's just just it was the perception, and that's what
so much of this comes down to the perception. And
then just when you go into these meetings, because I've
just even at a collegiate level, haven't talked to different
coaches at times that when these other coaches get let
go and all of a sudden, now they're here, that
sometimes they're even guarded about. Hey, you know, because the
(13:36):
coaching industry, everybody's friends, and some people closer friends than others.
Or hey, I got fired, but I used to coach
for so and so and such and such. They're in
these production means wondering, Okay, man, these are your boys
over here. What are you going to say? And people
can get upset at times and say, well, you're questioning
my integrity.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
But we know coaches are the most.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Superstitious dudes out here, secreted guys out here. So those
meetings and just who's in there, man, that stuff, that
stuff matters. But on that college level because they get
rid of so many guys. And then we also know this,
we seeing it too many these college coaches get fired
and want to go TV. They burned dog going around here.
They waiting to talk to the A D, the president
(14:16):
over that universe, Hey, Howard, things on I'm just I'm
just doing this, so.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
I don't know. Here you go.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I was I was waiting on Josh Hoover outside and
we were keen of staying with Carolina again with pro
TCU and no, no, they were coming off the field.
It was Jimbo Fisher who introduced himself to the president
at tc U, the chancellor.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Hey, you know a d they're shaking hands and everything.
Speaker 10 (14:41):
I was laughing as I would say, to hire them,
because you want some of that money back?
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Yes, yes, I want. Hey, you're talking.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
About somebody offset money.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Yes, get some of it back. So I just I
just let and you want Jimbo purple tie that? Boy? Good?
That boy? Hey? Hey hey Church, what you say? Boy?
You gotta give me that?
Speaker 7 (15:04):
You see that look good?
Speaker 4 (15:05):
And purple tie on?
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Do I have on purple? It was, you know what
I said.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
But they say work smarter, not harder. I'm not opposed
to it.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yeah, boy good?
Speaker 4 (15:22):
All right.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Jerry Jones with some things to say on his radio
show on Tuesday, especially about the secondary for people.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Who have some questions too.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Let's dive into that next with Barry Church.
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Speaker 5 (18:48):
Mike, that's crazy for are you But are they rushing
him back? Like I asked these questions and that's.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
A legitimate question. But the owner said, you know, it
could be.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
What he said goes we all know this around.
Speaker 8 (19:01):
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Speaker 2 (19:08):
He didn't say play this week, but he just said
on the way he's on the way, I don't matter.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
You need somebody here yesterday? What are we talking about?
Did somebody throw up four of them things on you? Like,
like to disrespect somebody a player that's already been here,
that is a proven perennial pro bowler and still has something.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
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Speaker 5 (19:55):
He's not gonna come for a million because, first of all,
his VET minimum is way more than okay.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
But but he's got you got okay to get to
get you off the couch, to get anybody off the
couch who's been a defensive player of the Year with
a resume like that, dude ain't just coming up here
for niggas gave.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
Like the need. I'm sorry, I don't mean to get
too frustrated about that, but you gave Clowney this money
coming off the couch. That was a dire need for
a dire situation. Four of them things over four hundred
plus throwing your You don't need him.
Speaker 7 (20:27):
Well if they need him in here for for he
can teach.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
He could teach, he can coach, and he can still play,
and they need to pay that right now.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Diggs was following this man when he was here.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
He exactly.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
So I'm not debating you on that.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
When I'm debating you on when we have when we
talk about these things, you always have to what does
the player want? Because Clowney came here. I'm good right now.
You know what I really meant. The number ein't what
I needed to be. Next thing, you know, Russ dropping
bombs over the back.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Then hey, you're gonna come meet that number hunh.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
Yeah, we got it, what found it?
Speaker 10 (21:05):
We got him, got gonna be calling in five minutes.
I told you, you show me the money. So so
I mean and and looks just look at Gilmore's career.
He like climbing and he played for free. No I
got I got he got a real.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
They do, but they did South Carolina, so you you don't.
But but when you got situations like that, you know
there's a diar need and you're trying to get back
in there. We all know that your homeboy hits you up. Man,
just take a little bit of a discount. It's gonna
be good over here. We chicken, bro, you can come
do your thing.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
He done that.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
But the whole thing is this, though he says that
he wants to play like he's he he's publicly said that.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
He wanted to play.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
And if you don't have a lot of people knocking
on your door, you know you're gonna take what's what's
coming down.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
To pack that number, that number is gonna go down
a little bit, just a little bit.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
I don't I don't know, Like that's you have that
many options, right, That's what I said.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Like who I think he has options? Like you said.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
I just think the number is not what it wanted
to be. Like who's gonna who's going to give you
in first? Like I'm giving you all my numbers. Somebody's
gonna meet this number. And I think it's the way.
Speaker 9 (22:13):
This is also a man that's made a ton.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Of money, a ton of how does his body.
Speaker 8 (22:18):
And so is he gonna sit there on the couch
and be like Yo, nobody's called, but Cowboy's coming in
for one five.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
I'm good, like, it's not worth it. That's what I said.
You gotta gotta those injuries.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
When I was doing radio show bar Scott, that was
the same thing. It's like, hey man, I'm not playing
right now, he said. And I've had offers, but I'm
not coming for that exactly. And he said, I because automatically.
And I loved how Bart thought about whatever number you
tell me, slice it in half the taxes right now,
and he said, is it worth my body and what
I'm going to have to give and the way I
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play for this? And nobody made him that offer, said
he never went back and play. Once he stopped, He's like, nah,
it's not worth it to my body. And so if
I'm I'm imagining Gilmour, who has a Hall of fame
resume exactly, a hall of fame resume, not getting off
the couch for any old Nichols and dimes. That's that's
how I would perceive it without talking to him, Without
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talking to him, and he has a legitimate case.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Oh yeah, I can see.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
Them trying to offer him less than they gave Clowney
Like I like that that he now look.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
I don't thine what say you said he had?
Speaker 4 (23:32):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
But the only thing I'm gonna say what that is,
who's more impactful that cornerback or that pass rusher?
Speaker 4 (23:40):
You go overpay for that pass rusher right in that
cornerback off if you're going bargain hunting and fifty yards, man,
it's true.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
So I also say, that's that's why you talk about
Clowney versus Gil. You've seen what Gilly can do and
you've you've seen it up close and personal. You saw
the impact he had on Digs, So so what he
can do and what he's in known quantity, So I
would I would think put that as a check mark
for him that Jerry should look at it. Here's something
else that Jerry said, cool as much as anything, it's
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buying into the scheme. You've got to handle your responsibilities.
You can't just be out there trying to make a play.
Make sure your responsibilities are covered first. That's Jerry's talking
about the whole defensive issues with the team right now.
So I asked all of you, is this the product
of three straight defensive coordinators and three straight defensive schemes
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of people trying to.
Speaker 8 (24:32):
Figure out what I believe it could be and when
what you always say is it talent or technique, and
a lot of those blown coverages, to.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Me, it was technique.
Speaker 8 (24:42):
You know, bad eyes, you know you're in a deep third,
but you're still looking in the backfield, slow black pedal,
you letting you know, guys go by you.
Speaker 9 (24:49):
You're just not really understanding the scheme. So a lot
to do with that.
Speaker 8 (24:53):
I don't think it's just these guys are just out
getting out skelled, like they're just out there getting routed up.
I don't think it's like that. I think in this
coverage you just had, you know, your technique is bad
bad eyes, and these are all things that are coachable.
So I feel like you got to understand your personnel
a little bit better as well. With all due respect,
Dominovan Wilson is not a deep player, like a deep
half safety, a deep you know, deep coverage type safety.
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He does most of his damage when he's in the box,
or he's that kind of rap player where he's just
reading and reacting coming downhill. Laying people out like that
is his willbox. That's where he's gonna make a lot
of his money. The deep part of the field I
think should be primarily where Hooker plays. I mean, he's
used to that back in Indianapolis when he first came
as a first round pick, he was a dog back there,
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red line, the red line, all over the place, covering
people mistakes. So for me, I think they've got to
get a better understanding and eba Flus has to do
this of what makes your putting your players in their
best position to make plays. And having Donovan Wilson back
there at that deep kind of cover safety is just
not not where it needs to be a map posite, but.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
They do it.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
To me, it still boils down a lot to this.
Evira Flues thought he was gonna have Michael Parsons. He
thought he was going to have the racer in here,
and and and that right there being said that he
does not have that no more like and come on,
they based a lot of that off.
Speaker 7 (26:13):
Of the pressure that he was going to be able
to produce, you know.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
And so with that being said, you know, like this
defense is not being run to the capabilities that it
is supposed to be, like what you guys have been
talking about, Like I heard you, it's guys gonna be
going here they're gonna be doing this and that it
ain't happening.
Speaker 7 (26:28):
It ain't happening.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
You're point taking, But what's your job as a coach?
Cover up the warts?
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Gotta make it work, you gotta figure out.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Hey, Chuck Dailey, for a great basketball coach, said, your
job as a coach is to cover up the where
are they stick a band aid on it and cover
it up and keep it covered up as long as
he can before somebody pulls a band aid off and
explosives and so whatever Flues thought he was getting and
White Cotton thought they were getting, it's not there. They
did have opportunities in camp because he wasn't out there
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a lot so to figure it out. And so let's
see what it is. And clearly bringing in clowning was well,
we always gonna have a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
We don't. So you're trying to help it, but I don't.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
This is the least me me myself personally. I think
I don't think it's more so the Mica thing. I
think it's more so what Barry is saying. And to
break it down a little bit further, this is if
you play for Flus, Like I said, this is a
very simple defense, Like it's not like you're doing too much.
So with it being simple, you should be able to
play your technique to the best of its potential. I
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think during the preseason a lot of people were doing that.
But y'all know as well as I do. When you
get that opportunity and it's like, hey, you potentially go
out there and make one good play with a name
that's not here, there's a lot of unproven stuff. It's
guys that you got that are playing the role and saying, hey,
I'm gonna do my part. But when I get out here,
oh I got to make this play, I'm an bite
on it.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
So what about last year because we heard some of
the same stuff with Zimmer, and Zimmer kind of admitted
it afterwards, like, yeah, I should have done some things
differently my defense, But like who's buying into the defense
some times?
Speaker 6 (28:00):
And this is a question we all noticed as players,
Like some coordinators, are they creative enough to make changes
like that or are they just stuck in their ways
and it's their.
Speaker 7 (28:11):
Scheme more so over with the players they have oh right, So.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
No, no, no, And so that's what I'm seeing, you know,
Like basically, as a coordinator.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Just like what you said, you got to be able to.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
Work around the talent that you have.
Speaker 6 (28:22):
And if that scheme that you put in ain't gonna
be able to work for the talent that you have,
you have to get creative enough to be able to
go outside the box and still make some changes and
hopefully get successful with what you're doing.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
And I think, and like I said, I might be
biased because I played for him, I think Evrafous is
creative enough to do that. Like he sticks to his
fundamentals as far as the flour wide system, but he's
had success here at the Cowboys when he was the
linebacker coaching he was calling the plays to when he
left here and had the success with Indy. You had
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the same defensive scheme, but you had completely different players.
You had a from Michael Parsons over here dominate when
you came here or when you come back to where
you got the Forest Buckner over there that's doing his thing.
You have multiple Like you've had guys like what was
the Shaq Leonard that was the linebacker over there when
(29:15):
he was here?
Speaker 4 (29:16):
He had Uh there you go.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
You got Sean you got Sean Lee, you got you
got guys like Kenny Moore, who playing style is completely
different from Trayvon Dick, so I would say that he's
had success in all those It's just about, like you said,
are the players really going to buy into it? And
then eventually a lot of this is on this on
the players, like nobody told like Donovan, if you know
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that coach is putting you in a bad situation, I
think that's where the veteranship and this is why I
would think Gilly would be a good factor is don't
put yourself in in the bad situation. You know you're
not fast enough to come down here, give yourself an
extra little little cushion there, Elam, you should not be
over here trying to press somebody and you only a
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buck talling not even six flip in cleats like and
trying to go do somebody like this like you made
up Barry, y'all. And like I said, I'm a defensive lineman,
so we see stuff like straight and narrow, y'all tell
me as a dB because y'all got to pay for it.
Y'all gotta pay attention not only to the quarterback the receiver,
and y'all are more reaction based, so you have to
prepare better as far as being the reactor versus the
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react the reaction, if that makes sense.
Speaker 8 (30:23):
And that's why to me, film study was such a
big thing in my book because I was never you know,
the fastest, quickest, didn't have you know, the hips and
all that. But if I knew what the offense was
going to do pre snap based on the formations, whether
it's two by two, three point.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
One, it allowed me to play from.
Speaker 8 (30:37):
A four to six to a four to four on
there because I knew what was coming and ahead of time.
And when it comes down to putting your players in
the right position, it's it's a real delicate process, especially
at the safety spot because you know there's guys that
they don't want to be in the middle of the
field all day every day.
Speaker 9 (30:54):
Like I'm sure Hooker's like, man, let me get some
action down there.
Speaker 8 (30:57):
But you know what made Seattle so great and they're
too ten back there because her was like, I'm a
middle of the feel safety, I'm gonna make plays being
in the middle of the field. Cam Chansen was like,
I'm this box boomer, but I've been in teams where
it's like bro, I've been in the back all day,
Switch me up, let me get some burn down there.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
And then that's when things happen. Man.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
So I w Rod Woodson came to the Raiders man
and shout out to Rod when my player, Yeah, got
all time favorite players, one of my football heroes.
Speaker 7 (31:27):
But like, we were in a place where we were
able to just rock and.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Roll with it.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
And that's why who that's what rock and roll is.
That's like whatever the defense calls for. If I'm already
on the right and he's already on the left, whatever
it calls for it, if I got to go down
or he gotta go down, we were just rock and roll.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
We just switched each other's position. This guys.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Yeah, and it's good to be able to have safeties
back there and players like that who can manipulate that.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
But they got a wait that your your decade or
not your decade, but you're when you play. I felt
like people were inter changeable versus where when I first
came into the league and them, I was like, oh,
I'm gonna play both sides because I got von Miller
sean Porter when I got to the league and I told.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Him, yeah, I can play this side.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
It was new to me, because which side do you
want to play when you earn that right to be
on that side? Like you said, it's some guys that
will say, I'm never moving out to spot er.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
This is me right here. Let me get some burn.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
And that's where I think we do ourselves as athletes coaches.
As a disservice is not making a defensive and I'll
break it down even further for a defensive line.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
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Speaker 3 (35:19):
All right, Tyler Smith got paid over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Give him a bag right now, so Tyler spid ninety
six million dollar contract extention, so.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
So good for him.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Hide the okay in the fold and uh, you know, hey,
young man, they drafted.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Uh this is where you should put your money.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Into people when you draft.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
And now that they're not paying Michael Parson, somebody's got
to get a bag. And so Tyler Smith got a bag,
bron Bland got a bag whose name Aubrey is apparently
up neck got to me, he got it.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
Go ahead, Jerry, get it over special.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Jerry told one to five three the Fans radio show today,
he's certainly coming.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
We'll be looking at that.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Probably had communications since the kick and uh, he says,
but it certainly in the future.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
So Jerry wants to pay him.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
But now, if you're a player considering, Jerry did say
he wanted to pay Michael Parsons. Mike Parson get his money,
and Brandon Aubrey is not settling for anything less than
the top market as the kicker.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
If the Tyler Smith.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Gonna get it as a guard and that go get
as a quarterback, I mean I shouldn't say I should
as soon there will be no discounts.
Speaker 8 (36:22):
Can't be no discounts on this this is the best
kicker in the national football and head and he said,
and we were interviewing him, he said, look, I'm built
for this moment. And I was like, man, you know what,
You're right about that man, because he went out there
sixty four yards. I don't care if it's a dome
or not, game on the line nine the screen.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
He just rocked it in there winner.
Speaker 8 (36:46):
And he's been doing this consistently for the past what
at least two three years. So to me, we always
talk about I know, you always say, you know, Jerry
never lets one of his guys go.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Michael Parcels was the first.
Speaker 8 (36:57):
But to me, this is this is an offensive weapon
and you you can't let a bona five three points.
You don't even have to get the midfield, you just
got to get to the forty five on your side
in order to be in his range. You can't let
that that type of automatic points go.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
And I believe they'll get the job done. Well.
Speaker 8 (37:13):
His contract be as high as you know Parsons or
or Tyler Smith.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
It won't kick. It's not gonna be that hot. He's
going to have a record, got to get it in.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
He be real, he's going to have a record breaking
contract and the market, he's gonna set the market. It's
always somebody that got to do it. On top of that,
you got an owner that actually, like you, publicly have
said it with no disput that's been going on, and
I'm gonna have to go back to one of the
major facts that we've been hearing a suit all season
from Newie, Jerry don't let his guys go. And with
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that being said, he let one go. That's a defensive player.
We all know that defensive players are the step childs
of the league. You can let them go, but what
what offensive First of all, a guy that is the best,
not arguably the best, but the known best in his position.
And then like you said, he's a kicker, but he's
an offensive weapon. What offensive weapon? Knew he You've been
covering the Cowboys for over twenty plus year. What offensive
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weapon has he let Jerry has let go that's been
in his prime. That was the only way, yeah, product,
that was the only one. But what about that? But
there was also, if I'm not mistaken, one of their
stuff about off the field stuff.
Speaker 9 (38:22):
You let him go, which was it was the right decision.
I mean, he was running back it's kind.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Of Yeah, DeMarco had a great season. Yeah, I never
thought he was a great running back.
Speaker 5 (38:31):
But this is a great kicker. We're talking about, like
like your offensive lineman. They're going to play at least
fifteen to twenty years of we got this, Like, I
can't help but think of Genakowski, like him doing his
stay for as long a's like, you're going to be here,
why not keep him in his prime?
Speaker 4 (38:47):
So I don't personally see him letting them, okay, but
we can do. So.
Speaker 6 (38:51):
I think he's I don't think he's going anywhere, and
I think he's only going to get better with time.
Speaker 7 (38:55):
You know, like.
Speaker 6 (38:56):
We're used to kickers who have been kicking since footballs
since elementary high school, pop warn or whatever. It is,
like this dude only been kicking footballs for like how
many years now.
Speaker 9 (39:08):
He's because he was you know.
Speaker 6 (39:10):
I mean, so, I only think that he's going to
continue to get better. And then, just like you said,
to be able to have a weapon that you don't
have to cross the fifty yard line to actually get
points on the board.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
You need a touch. You can get a touch, man,
you already after twenty five, like you know, two first down.
Speaker 6 (39:26):
So that being said, like I believe said he's gonna
set the market, and he's gonna he's gonna set that market.
But I don't think there's another kicker that's going to
even come close to it right now after he sets
that market.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
So the market was set by Harrison Bucker of Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
He just missed one other day, four years.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Twenty five million dollars twenty five point six million, and
UH produce Chrispy says it was seventeen point seven million
of that guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
So there's there's the bar.
Speaker 5 (39:53):
So it goes twenty six eighteen years, Jaricho give him
this quick here, matter of fact, I mean twenty six
cents a plus?
Speaker 3 (40:01):
I mean, why why not? I mean, this is this
is fair.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
It's more than this is if he If Jerry goes
in there and says four years, twenty six million, eighteen guaranteed,
that's that that right there, if you Bucker sell it,
and this is you guys played, So you guys would
have this better understanding than me.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
Bucker's from here. There's no state taxes.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
Here, yeah, he gets none.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
To me, that seems like I wouldn't want, you know, right,
that's what I would assume.
Speaker 5 (40:28):
Then you also got an owner that loves to be flashy,
that loves to be the guy that Hey, I pride
myself on doing this, so like to even it up
a little bit with the kickers. And you got the
best one here, let me go ahead flex and pay
him like that. It's pennies on the dollar, so I
mean compared to what you could have been. You got
all this extra money with Michael gone. Now you see
everybody else getting the bag. Why not lock up all
(40:50):
my toys so I can go get my new toy.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
This isn't once again, this is paying the best player.
I don't and this is my opinion. I don't think
you can argue it. Tell me that somebody's a better
kicker right now. Randon Aubrey in the game in the
past two years, Like this is pretty I thought on
the broadcast had a great thing when they said Dave
Boll said, if they get, if the Cowboys get, if
they get past the fifties, you're in range for you
(41:13):
got chip shot his rangers passed. Once you half to fifty,
you're in his range. And what an awesome weapon for Shati.
If you're a play caller you've got a fan. Hey,
we don't have to do much. I go back to
the Philadelphia game. If Sanders doesn't funnel, they just get
three right there at.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
The end of the gay three minutes to go.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
It's a whole different way. You're calling the plays and
getting down the fields. It's a whole different thing. So
the ability to sign the weapon and all three of
you got in this league by playing special teams. When
you made your major bones, you're winning the special teams game.
Speaker 5 (41:45):
And that whoever the special team coordinated, like anywhere around
the league, they're gonna be sitting there standing on the table.
You don't think the coach is like, Jerry, please don't
let this one go.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
Please don't let.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
Me out as a special team coordinator. I'm trying to
make sure he gets paid because my job is secured.
If that man is on the ross by.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
The way, still Turpin, you know had to leave the game.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
They haven't anywhere. I was just about to say, serignificant.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
You know, there's still kind of day to day came.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
But yeah, that that's another thing going in Chicago is
he affects so much of your roster. If you don't
have a Cavante Turpin from what he does in the
return game and how they were using him as an
offensive weapons and maybe maybe maybe Jay and Blue.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
Done that.
Speaker 5 (42:39):
At like, hey man, hate to see her still going.
Well you're going there to day before the game and
you hit them and be like, hey man, I know
it's been a strong week.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
You think he's gonna make it back.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Okay, you guys, so if you if you get the news, Turp,
you know, dudes out here kicking feeling punts extra out there.
Speaker 5 (42:59):
What you're gonna have guys that ain't even return to
kick but they returned to their sophomore year in college. Hey, coach,
I can do this right, do it, coach, Hey coach,
I'm just trying to help the team. Whatever you need
more value.
Speaker 6 (43:10):
Like hey, my first my first touchdown in the league
was the kickoff return, and I never got to do
it in college, and I never got to do it
no more after that. But nothing is like I got
put the guy there, took it back nine nine yards.
Speaker 4 (43:24):
Hey man. We got mail grade for that.
Speaker 6 (43:28):
And then I had got slick anyway before because I
knew I could do it. My first touchdown playing Pop
Warner was a seventy five yard kickoff. Ever, so I'm
already knowing I could do kickoff return, So of course
I put that incentive in my contract with like if
I take back two kickoffs and do this and do that.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
Y'all you ain't getting that, you got one. Go ahead,
Chill brother, I'm telling you.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
That's good stuff.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
It's different, bro, that's good stuff, all right, man, fun
show today.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
Cowboys are off today.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
They'll they'll get ready tomorrow with their Wednesday practice tickt.
The Chicago Bears, who are oh in to this game,
will be in the Windy City. Matt Ebraflus, the defensive coordinator,
will be returning, returning home.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
To uh to where he once played.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
You know he went three for I gotta dor set.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
To Montrait Moore, very Church Newly Strugs for Chris Beam
and everybody involved right here, Dallas Cowboys dot Com thank
you for checking out.
Speaker 7 (44:21):
Just the Way Play, Just Play.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
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