April 10, 2025 • 48 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
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Speaker 3 (00:33):
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we're back. You got Heck Maharrison here, we got Barry Church,
former Cowboys safety. I knew he drugs right here at
the Star in Frisco getting do our thing.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Last week, we didn't get a chance to talk.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
So I want to go revisit something to happen last
week because I thought it was very important. And that
is the quarterback position. Joe Milton. Milton in a trade
comes over from the New England Patriots the Cowboys. Actively
we're talking to quarterbacks at the combine. There's many conversations
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held about the Cowboys taking a quarterback. This essentially takes
the Cowboys out of the quarterback mix. Joe Milton won
a game for the Patriots last year, and as we
discussed on the media mash yesterday, there's there's two thoughts
of Joe there is bazooka Joe with the and we
got a cannon. Then his competitors would call him overthrow Joe,
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what is going on? Baseball guy? He throw one hundred
miles an hof.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Is it gonna go?
Speaker 4 (01:52):
We're gonna find out.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
So He'm wanna start with you. How do you feel
about Joe Milton?
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Zuka Joe? You know, I saw plenty of them at Tennessee,
so I know about the arm strength. I'm just in
the in the vein of you know, if we're gonna
make some news in the free agency, let's let's make
some with a guy that is going to help us immediately. Uh.
And that's where I was. It was bigger news than
I thought it should be. When I when I think
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about Joe Milton, the only thing that we have to
go on is that last I don't want to call
it a preseason game, but it's the last game of
the season where Buffalo didn't play any of their starters,
and so it's a it's a preseason game basic basically,
where you know and you know, he performed well, and
I think for me, my, my, the reality of the
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situation is if Joe Milton sees any significant amount of time.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Then we're in the arch Manning sweet state.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Am I come on, guys, let's let's just a players lounge, lounge.
And and I feel like again you you're putting Dak
in another situation where I mean, when you bought in, uh,
when you bought any guy last season, he wasn't he
wasn't threatened by that. And I don't think you bring
it or bringing in a guy to threaten you. You
lose Cooper. You need to shore up the backup position.
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I thought you had plenty. I think you have plenty
of opportunity in this draft to get a backup quarterback,
a young backup quarterback when yours or a guy like that,
you know, polish question that I'm just I mean, I'm
just saying I think you had an opportunity to go
there are some some late round quarterbacks that you could
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have looked at in this situation. And and by all accounts,
but all the polling that you see or guys are
saying what the Cowboys are going to do in the draft,
quarterback had been one of those late round picks that
you were going to get. And so look, Joe Milton
from an athletic standpoint, what I don't want to see,
Barry is I don't want to see a Joe Milton package.
I don't know, I don't want that. I don't want
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a Joe Milton package. I don't want a you get
down on the goal line and oh now we're gonna
bring Joe Milton in or No. I wanted to, you know,
keep it straight, keep it you know, honest, go out
and get some playmakers. And that's just how I felt
about I felt about the draft. I think athletically, I
think he's a freak. He's a freak. I think you know,
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arm strength, arm talent. I mean, he'll take your head
off on a five yard pass. But you know a
little bit of cam in that, you know what I'm saying.
But still I mean great athlete. And and again I
look forward to him sitting behind Dak Prescott and learning
the tricks of the trade and becoming a better pro.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
You you don't like this, you would you would have
preferred they went to the draft and taken you mentioned
Quin yours, but I think that's probably a little too high. Well,
I think I think Quin Youwers will be a guy
draft in top three rounds.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Okay, Now, I really do. I mean, I'm I'm I'm
thinking between three. Well, we don't have a four, you know,
but if you were able to pick up a four
compiscatory pick that maybe you would have been able to
get off if the guy slides, then you could pick
up a young quarterback. That's where my mind state was
at the in the quarterback room.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Because and and where mine was. Let's you get to
your point here. I'm thinking one, two, three have got
to be some guys who can can be walk in,
walking off the bus right right walking guy. And if
you're telling me and I think Queen yours is going
to be a guy that goes in rounds.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Two, three, two, three, four.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
That didn't fit for the Cowboys in my mind, and
so you you were thinking day In my mind, I'm
thinking day three.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
That's where they got a dac at.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
You're looking at that even when they gave up the
pick for Trey Lance as a Day three guy. I
don't think Queen yours is going to be a Day
three guy. And and you're talking trying to get him
in five.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I don't think when you're to be here now hanging on,
don't thinking being the fit.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Kyle McCord, may guy like that, guy like that to
be a Day three I think a Day three.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Guy, Will Howard Ohio State, Dylan Gabriel. You know that
those are Day three guys I'm thinking.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
And that was just one name that popped, you know,
for me because we're here and we know all about him.
But again, I'm just as far as skill set is concerned,
a guy that could sit behind a Dak Prescott that
is aging. You know, he's having injuries, all right, But
if that guy is able to mature into the position
and say next year, if there is a god forbid
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situation where we lose our starting quarterback, we've already seen
what this guy does in the preseason. We're confident in
what he does. And that's the same confidence that we
were talking about about Cooper Rush last season with him stepping.
Speaker 6 (06:41):
In exactly and I thought it was a solid move.
What were we getting for a six or was it
a seventh?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah? It was the Day three?
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Give me three.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
You you gave up Day three assets for a guy for.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
What you were looking at. Yeah, and three quarterback.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
And when you talk about you know those Day three guys,
all those guys we met they're kind of development of themselves.
So I feel like, you know, you've gotten a guy
in Milton who he's gonna come in develop. He'll get
all those reps in the preseason that's not gonna play
in the preseason. He'll get all those early reps and
we'll see what he can develop into. But I thought
it was a solid pick. I mean, you need to
shore up that backup position because Cooper Rush we've seen
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he's come in these past couple of years and he's
played well and he's played as well as himself into
another contract with Baltimore, so he's out the door. So
you've got to have somebody that can come in here
and basically reassure that position at the backup quarterback spot.
And you know, God forbid, hopefully nothing happens to da
because like you said, if that were to happen, we're
in the sweepstakes for something in the in the next draft.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
But for me, I found it was a solid move.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
This is a guy that's uber talented.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
When you talk about athleticism, you know, he got the feet,
he got the cannon.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Do we have that touch?
Speaker 6 (07:46):
Can he get the ball over those linebackers and drop
it right in the bucket tows. Those receivers we'll see,
but he has the talent and the arms strength to
make any throw out there. So to me, I believe
it was a solid move. And I'm with you, knew
you on this one. When you talk about those first
three rounds, they got to be guys that could come
in here and contribute.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
A's sad because especially.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
In the trenches we talked about offensive line, defensive line.
You got us solidify those those groups of positions right there, but.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Also the second level.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
You know we'll be talking about with linebackers here defensively,
conversation get over shown. But he's coming off a gruesome injury,
so I don't know if you're going to be able
to see him if at all. You know this season
coming up, so you got to reassure those positions, and
I think that's where you got to deal with those
first three rounds. I fully the pick up of Joe
Milton is a solid pickup and he should be able
to solidify that backup position if we have a quick
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quarterback whisperer on the staff.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
My questions have questions, and the only thing I'm saying
is why was New England so.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Eager to make that trade. What what was it?
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Because you got a new coach that's doing a full
evaluation of everybody that's you know, the fifth one, okay.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Josh McDaniels.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
Yeah, and like, so what what was it about his
game that didn't correlate to the new administration that says, okay,
we need to get him out of here.
Speaker 6 (08:58):
I mean we think Drake made you know, they don't
want Jake Mayfield any type of pressure.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
At all, Like I don't want this to be your room, yo, guy.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
We don't want you know, Milton coming here in the
preseason lighting it up and then Drake may is like,
all that's part of it.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
That was what I'm thinking if you read some things
up there that you know, hey, this guy was playing
right there with him in camp last year. But you know,
one guy's a high pick and and Milton, you know
he felt, you.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Know, to read what he felt some kind of way too,
like really, this is this is your man, man.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I mean that he like Orlando scheduled, look at old
boy from South Florida.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
This is your guy.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
This is I'm five. He won.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
But what we're seeing take off take off them picks?
What we're seeing him.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
But when it's when it is, competition been a bad thing.
I mean, and you have a young quarterback room and
neither guy has solidified themselves to say that, hey, he's
taking the reins and he's our future. And so I mean,
like I said that, that was my only question. When
the team is eager to get rid of young talent,
I asked those questions like, wait a minute, man, that's
WHOA Scott.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Showed you something? Why are you so quick?
Speaker 6 (10:08):
The press of these days want that competition. They're like, man,
that's all I asked. They want to feel comfortable.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
And I don't know.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
I wasn't in that locker room, but I feel like
that has something to do with it. But I want
this guy breathing down my neck. He's playing well in
the preseason, I may be struggling a little bit, and guys.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Book under that pressure when it comes to competition.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
And I go back to the point of other teams
were interested in Milton and they said, we sent him
to Dallas because that's where he wanted to go.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
And they had a respect, enough respect for a dude
who just.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Got there a couple, yeah, a couple of coffee that
tells me something about Hey, man, it tells me okay,
maybe there was a little something to it.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Yeah, here's something in there.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Now, Yes, that's what I'm saying, Come on now, New York.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
But we're not getting We took Drake, make Drake made
got Drake means there.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
So I could see some of that happening there. But
I go back into this.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
You you were going to take somebody day three, gave
up Day three assets. You've got a guy who's already
spent a year in the league, He's played a game,
won the game. Buffalo was done. But hey, at least
you did it. At least you did it, and their
job as an organization is to unlock the potential. Because
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if he didn't have these issues about overthrows and touch,
then he wouldn't have been available for that. You'd probably
had to give up a three, yes, or you know. So,
I just say to myself, moving off Trey Lance, this
has the potential to be a better player, But you've
got to keep throwing.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Ultimately, you've got to keep throwing darts at this thing.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Ron Wolf made a fantastic living in Green Bay by
constantly going and getting quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Mark Brennell.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
When he took the kid from Boston College. Hasselbeck, who
ended up going with Holgrin to Seattle. Started Aaron Brooks
when they took him, and he ended up going to
New Orleans and he was with McCarthy and they won
their first ever playoff game. Down they always Ty Dettner
was there. They had quarterbacks all the time in that system.
Kurt Warner was in Green Bay for a minute.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
So they were constantly just.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Throwing darts at this thing with the quarterback and let's
let's figure out what.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
We're going to do.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
And I think the Cowboys did the right thing if
you think about it. Dack Prescott was a dart too,
he was.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
He was a dart.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
But he came there.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Remember when he came to When he came here, it
was like him and Jamil Showers. I mean he was like,
we got two dudes at the fourth quarterback spot.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
So he was back in all those guys who was
it was Romo, Kellen Moore to Bill So.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
You may have been fourth or fifth, he was. He
was low right, so you're there. So I just believe
keep doing this if it hits great. I mean, Drew
Hinson came.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Here for a minute.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Stephen McGee, Right, McGee was a fourth round.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
So now you're going out track.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Well, now you made an exit and had you had
to do it from La Tech that they got rid of.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Chris Bean, who is the guy remember the quad he
ended up with the Jets played a couple of games.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Then you had the one quarterback that they took for
Oregon State, Matt Moore, who ended up being a really
good solid backup of play some years in Carolina Mike White.
That was White White from Law tex So you got
to keep throwing darts at this thing. So I think
they did the right thing. The Trey Lance dart missed, okay,
but you gotta keep going because of the cost of
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what it is to try to go get a starter,
you gotta do it.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
I mean, Kirk Cousins was a dart. They took r
G three. They took the dart on Kirk cut and
it worked out.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
It did.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
But then it goes back to something that Barry was said,
having that quarterback whisper on a guy that can develop
your talent when they come in. I mean, you think
about one A, one B in that situation with Washington
when they bring in those superstars. You have RG three
to setting the league on fire. But as soon as
he's injured, Kirk Cousins comes in and everybody's going, oh,
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this is the way offense is supposed to work. And
a guy standing in there and delivering the mail again,
I don't. I am not at all opposed to Joe Milton. Okay,
the athleticism, everything that he presents to me, I think
is desirable. My thing is this, he's not going to
see the field because the healthier version of Dak and
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Dak in his whole career, we hadn't been used to
these injuries the way that we've been seeing them the
last couple of years, started with the ankle, now the hamstring,
and now starting to see those durability issues. And I'm
saying to myself, just based off of what I saw
last year, because last year was a case of Murphy's law.
What could go wrong went wrong, and when we got
an opportunity to see a backup quarterback behind that offensive line,
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it went bad.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
With the running game that we had.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
Now I had all these other things in place, offensive line,
running back, I'm cool breaking Come on, Milton, let's cook.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Thirty two year old Dak Prescott now and let's go
back twenty twenty five games, twenty twenty one, sixteen games,
twenty twenty two, twelve games, twenty twenty three, seventeen games.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Last year he played eight games.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
You have to start to think about this venement and
once again throwing a dark you know, arguably the greatest
quarterback in this league was a dart Tom Brady because
they had drew bledsone and gave one hundred million dollar contract.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
So I am on board with just saying, hey, man,
let's you gotta do it. They did it, and.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Now it's up to the coaches. You guys got to
go figure it out. And then also, and you know
this very well, Bert, if it comes on the player,
what are you going to do? I'll say this, if
you're Joe Milton, there's an opportunity here because you just
have to look at the fact of what's been happening
with Dak Preston. Yes, he's lost weight. By the way,
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he's lost weight looks great, But you don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
This is a league of opportunity.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
Man, People hit hardness, I'm telling you, And for Milton,
it's all to me. It's all about the reps. The
difference between the Trey Lance Dark and this Milton Dark
to me is Milton's gonna get a hell of a
lot more reps than Trey Lance.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Goott. I'm talking not got the preseason, but scout team
during the season. You know, you had rush.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
Running those scout team getting those reps against the defense.
Trey Lance might come in here every now and then
for you know, a couple reps here and they're doing practice.
But if I'm Milton, I'm taking all those scout teams.
You know, Dak go ahead and over there and chill
over there. I'm gonna take those scout teams and I'm
gonna take those last couple of reps that you know,
when Dak is a little tired with the ones, I'm
gonna come in here and get a couple. He's gonna
get the reps to develop. And I think that was
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a difference between him and Trey Lance.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Absolutely stay there and then what you do with those reps.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Because with Patrick Mahomes, I was talking to Clark Hunt,
the owner the Chiefs. He said he would continually get
reports about what Patrick was doing.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Hey man, watched his throat.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
He's lighting up that one defense Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
We do have something here. And that was always a
thing with Trey Lance is what you never heard. Nobody
ever said he look a throw Trey may.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
One report.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
See none of that.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
And you know, guys talk.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Yeah, absolutely, guys talking.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
And that's why I was saying, man about my questions,
having questions. And you got these two guys on the
field together, and and Milton's down on the other side
taking those reps. You're getting an opportunity to see him
go up against that defense. You know, that competition and
how that is brewing each and every week. You know,
you don't just see teams dump that kind of talent.
I'm sorry. The competitive nature of football doesn't allow you
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to say, oh, it's a talented guy, let's just get
rid of him.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
No, there's something there, and I just want to know
what it is.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
That's exactly what.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
Happened with Doc and Romo will sit there. I just
watch him like, man, this dude, he's getting rid of
the ball quick. We're going to get him because he's
a Scout team guy. Dude got some athleticism to him.
We can by time a little bit. He's putting them cats.
Starting in the locker room, was talking about we got
we got a nice little back up here, and then
we went to that game against the Rams at the coliseum.
He got the whole one, and I was like, that's
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when the whole everybody's eyes was like.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Oh damn, okay, I got some game tool. Yeah, exactly,
fit right in and had control everything. And that was
a game where the coliseum they filled it up too.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
It was back.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
It was because they got so many Cowboy fans that
was it was filled up. And so that is I mean,
that's the whole thing with the dark guys. We don't know,
and I don't.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
I am not as mad at Cowboy fans as as
other people are about trailing you tried, it didn't work,
and guess what, sometimes it don't work.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
The Steelers tried with.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Just fields last year. Didn't work right, right, It's just no,
I'm sorry, I'm not gonna let me talk about the Stillers.
They just continue to make bad mistakes at the quarterback position,
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waiting on hey Rod.
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Texas a couple years late newt Skotty Shepon.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Just went past here, hit the deuces on them.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Win winning major championships, come to the world number one,
and George, oh yeah, man, you and I've gone out
there the crowds and the crowds ain't the same.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
I ain't got the crowds like he used to have. Man,
you know them crowd dwindle.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Man.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
It was like, I mean when he was in high school.
Man was in high school, had that good little run
out there to Nelton. Oh yeah, man, dude, when you
get come cold product man, even in.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
The world, even in the golf world, whole world, baby
tough man, it's tough. So it ain't the same without
tigern Man.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Just for me.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
I just like that, even though I knew he really
wasn't going to have a chance. But it's like, man,
every shot makes you come on. You got it, bab
you could come. It just ain't the same with that and.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
The crowd that you should be around him. This it
was phenomenal.
Speaker 9 (24:26):
Roar.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
I just think it's it's a bucket list. It's a
bucket list.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
Yeah, I want to go to Augusta and Chris Chris
Beam kind of you know, put you know, like in
true Chris Bean fashion, snipe me off.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Waiting list. There's a job.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Let me tell you, like this my ticket.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I will say that when you go, oh who's that?
That's I mean the amount of the amount of star.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Power people there trip you out and they're all, you know,
all there just to watch, you know, to be there.
So so that is one thing if you ever get
to go, man, he goes see some You got to
see some actors and musicians and athletes. I mean, you know,
especially those who retire. I remember Tipper Jones talking to
me and he's like, man, I finally get to go.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
It's a baseball time.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
He was retired from the Brave, get to go and
and and he makes that trip out there all the
time because Chippers golfer and just wanted to go out there.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
So I got you, bro, Appreciate you if you get it.
Let me know, man, I flied in there. Man, make
sure we don't wear white.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
You to the course.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
You go. Let's agent zero come, let's get it to
this number of back to the Cowboy. Yes, it was
a way for you.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Walk over here.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, take that box thirteen and we need you to
move it over here to this building, take it out
of the lunch say that locker room and move it
over here.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
So over shown.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
It now gets to wear the number zero. It's not
gonna play until November. Clar until on the media mash
Yester Dasco comes, Hey, look you know finally they get
to sell the jersey.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
It was zero at Texas, but I don't play till November.
And my thing is just okay, miss n What was
the hold up on the zero though?
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Like, come on, like.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
That right, Chris b went a rowdy We can't in
fringe on the mascot. But I mean, I'm happy for him.
He gets his number, and it's it's a part of
his brand. I'm happy for him. Man, you know, it's
sure brand good. And we all three of us love
the player's a beast. It's got another knee injury. Not
(27:03):
gonna be here till November.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
It was gonna look like in November exactly. Yeah, So like,
is that happy you got your number?
Speaker 5 (27:14):
But the bigger questions for me has been, you know,
from the beginning, why didn't he get it? And if
that was rowdy the mascot, if that had something to
do with it, then okay. I mean a guy wore
zero in college, and then I think it was pretty
new what he got the number in college. A lot
of those big fellows started to get to zero, and they,
you know, those big fellas, we always tugging in our shirt,
and so.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
The zero started to look like a minus.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
It didn't look good, like, oh, it did not look
good at all, man, And I thought he should have
gotten it straight out of college. But at the same time,
you know, there hadn't been anyone in the history of
the franchise to wear zero. So I knew that that
would have been a bigger issue, you know, with him
not being a number one draft pick and things like that.
But you know something you said earlier about the second level,
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the defensive linebackers, and as we're talking about Overshown, look,
I'm of the feeling about him that we shouldn't see
him next year, and just based off of the devastation
of that injury. I think if you, I know, the
young man is making a ton of progress in that
knee injury, but is catastrophic and it was one of
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those injuries that man. When you see Demarvin Overshown on
the field, just know that he climbed a very steep
mountain to get back on the field.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
And that's it.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
And we talk about the guys over there the rehabilitation
that they're the best in the world as far as
rehabilitating his acl all those knee injuries. But this is
a guy that is a part is going to be
a part of your the bigger picture, your future. And
when he played last years, I talk about Murphy's law
and things going wrong.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
His injury was a part of it.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
But before that you were seeing sparks from him where
you're like, oh, we don't just have Michael Parsons as
that playmaker. You got a guy that is the speed,
the athleticism, the ferociousness.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Of what he played with was that.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
That's what I'm talking about right there, and we didn't
have that, you know, from all eleven guys. He may
have been two three guys that was bringing that. And
so I'm just hoping look for him for his career.
And I know we want to sell the jerseys, the
shirts and all of that stuff, but man, keep you know,
let this guy rehab. Let this guy rehab, and if
we don't see him until twenty six, I'm good with that, man.
Speaker 6 (29:32):
And I get what you're saying with that. Well, first
of all, I'm glad he got out of thirteen. You don't,
you know, you suffered so many injuries and that you
that number for you you need to just get away
from it.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
So you got this zero.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
I'm glad he was able to do that.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
But when we talk about, you.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
Know, that second level and the importance of having those linebackers,
we got to a coordinator by the name of eberflus
Here and form my time playing under Eberflus.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
You know, he had the Shawn Lee's.
Speaker 10 (29:54):
Of the world.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
He had the Orlando mcclains. The linebackers on that second
level needed to make this defense go. You go to Indianapolis,
you had a solid second level. You go to Chicago,
he had those guys on the second level. The linebacker
position in his defense is of the utmost importance. They're
the quarterbacks of the defense. They make sure the calls
are belayed when you're doing stunts with the defensive line.
(30:18):
In his system, the linebackers are right there with you.
They call them, you know, a pirate, which is you know,
defensive tackle coming down, defensive in coming down, that linebacker
scraping over the side. It's important for his defense, especially
in the run game, to have those guys on the
second level that can either erase issues with the defensive
line if somebody makes a mistake, or be able to
get deep in zonause he runs a lot of zones
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in his defense as well. So without having you know,
that second level down pat who is gonna be tough.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
You know, it's gonna be tough, especially in his system.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
So it's I'm worried about, especially up until Overshoon's able
to come back, and even when he gets back, we
don't know what he's gonna look like.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Yes to me, and I worry. That's worries some to me.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
Nless you're able to hit on a prospect or a
draft guy or get somebody else that's you know, you're
able to hit on that second level, that's going to
be an issue for this defense.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
So eber Flus is bringing over the one linebacker he
had at Chicago.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
They've got Kenneth Murray.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Got Kenneth Murray in here, so they're trying to say, hey,
we've got some people here as far as the rehab goes. Heck, Cam,
I hear what you're saying. We come down here to
do the show. Britt Brown's out there.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
Working with somebody, right, always with fans. Always, you talk
about one of the best in the world.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
That So come November, if they say we think he's ready,
then I'm going to trust them. I'll trust them to
say you're ready to go. I go back to this
whole thing we're talking about. These the first three picks
that you know in the first two days. So the
first round is on Thursday. Friday's rounds two and three.
This is where the Cowboys are going to have to
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really think about the deep dive of work.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
You're at twelve. Do you take a wide receiver? At twelve?
You need a running back.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
You're gonna have things that you need to do, these
kinds of players that you want in the top three.
You know, I think wide receiver is something that they
would address in the top three. I think running back
is something they address in the top three. I think
defensive tackle is something they have to address in top three.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Corner, I mean they got.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Stuff is Yeah, it's going to be very interesting on
where they land on this because they've got some needs here.
So when you talk about the linebacker, well, is that
maybe a Day three guy where you start to think
about a Bland who you got at corner.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Like, hey, here's a guy that would fit.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
This is going to be a very interesting draft priority list.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
It's interesting because, like you said, you know, offensively, there's
so many wards. Defensively, there's so many wards. Do you
think and that's what we talked about it earlier, Earlier
on I said they got to make one side of
the football that dominant side. And to me, I feel
like you got a better chance of making that offensive
side with that. You know, you got some offensive line
and pieces there. You got CD Lamb, you got Ferguson.
(32:56):
You know you're missing a couple of pieces here whether
but on the defensive side of the football, I mean
every level, you're looking at.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Something and yeah, I see you say that, And I
come back into that think man that that de tackle rooms.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
I'm it's not there. It's it's not right now.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
It's not it's not there right now. But I go
back into when they took Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
The thought process was, if Ezekiel Elliott with this offensive
line is good, we're going to help our exactly, going
to help the defense there. So it's this, This is
where you hope that Schottenheimer Will McLay can get together
with their staff to find these right pieces and and
(33:38):
do the team building correctly. You're going to miss on
some guys. You're gonna hit on some guys Zach Bond
and what the Eagles got out of him.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
But that's what you do. That's what you do when
you're out there, minding, you trying.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
To But that's what you That's what I worry about
at twelve is reaching and I think twelve, you're in
a sweet spot because it's hard to make a mistake there.
You kind of you're in the top ten at twelve,
you know, literally, because look, if you make a mistake there,
it's because you absolutely reached on a guy. In the
last two drafts, we have been reaching on guys and
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we've missed. We've missed on the Mazie Draft. You missed
on and guiding still one year, we're still saying, hey,
we're keeping hope there. But based off of what we
saw last year. Look, I listened to you. I listened
to what you're saying earlier about hey, that the Cowboys
have holes on both sides, and so how do you
fix all of it? You can't fix all of it
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in one draft. You got to do some of it
in free agency, and you got to do some of
it in draft. But it's all patchwork. You look at
this offensive line, You look at those five guys. There's
only one guy on that offensive line. And I'm not
speaking for you, I'm just saying this one guy that
I can say is elite. And you look across all
thirty one other teams, you know, so there's a ton
of bad offensive linemen but the ones that are playing
(34:58):
laid into January, they have some synergy and some great
players in that offensive line room.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
There's there's a lot, you know.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
I mean when you do a comparison with even just
just doing the NFC East, all right, not the rest
of the league tackle to tackle, you know. Look, I'll
take guiding out of it. For our center, it is
a rare shirt. I mean, you got to give him
a mulligan for last year learning a new position, the guard.
I mean Jack Martin retired, all right, but then you
have a guy in Hoffman the steps in still learning
(35:26):
the role, Terrence Smith. This is a this is a
must have it prove it year for Terror Smith because
last year, excuse me, Sari still you know he is
he has got to get it.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
He can you know, still still.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Has to have.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Man.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
You know what, you know, I've been beat into the ground. Man,
you know we're still up by twenty off the plane.
What I call Terrce, I called him terrors. What I
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All Right, Sadeq Charles unretired. Cowboys picked him up, so
he's got eighteen starts in thirty five games. And so
they have are throwing more bodies at the offensive line,
which leads me to believe that I don't think that
the twelve they'll be taking a offensive tackle or anyone
(39:05):
there or the top three. I believe that they're going
to try to Hey, here's our linement. Were throwing some
bodies here, let's let's figure it out. Awesome Richards who
ended up getting hurt at the end of the year
as a tackle possibilities. So I think they're going to
most likely in the top three, not touch that position.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
And just go what they got thoughts.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
Yeah, I mean Sadik Charles steps in after being off
for a season ad depth and you really don't know
what to make of a guy that you know, took
off last season.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
Whatever it was for.
Speaker 5 (39:34):
We don't get any reasons for why he was competing
in camp prior. I think it was Tennessee that he was.
I believed, yeah, it was on his way to winning
the position based off of what the reports are, and
decided to step away again, you know, whatever those issues were.
If he could come in and be a solid depth
piece for you, I think it works out so much
better for the Cowboys because we saw all season, you know,
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guys were going down and you needed for guys to
step in and you know, on the fly and produce.
Austin Richards to me is the biggest piece that I've
you know, have been saying all season long, like look, man,
this is a guy that really kind of earned it
last season. But then you know, again, you're going to
continue to building that and I think through you know,
undrafted guys. They obviously bound Terence Steel that way, and
(40:20):
so that's all I'm looking at. You got to add
more depth to this offensive line because right now they
can't be sold on the five that they have right now. No,
I'm with you on that, And you know what I say,
you got to add those depth pieces on there. And
if this team is going to run the football as
much as you know the coaches have been saying this offseason,
I think that'll leave a lot of pressure from this
(40:40):
offsive line, especially from past blocking, because that's really you know,
where their issues were when you look at the past
couple of seasons, you know, running the football, they were
a decent offensive line to almost good offsive lines running
the football, creating holes for guys like Rico and Tony
Pollard before that to get going. The issues that they
had it was past blocking guys coming off the edge
of guys going straight up the middle.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
That was the issue.
Speaker 6 (41:03):
So you know, adding these death pieces and having them
five offensive line that you have here.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
I'm good with that.
Speaker 6 (41:08):
I'm good with that, especially if you're gonna run the
football like you say you are. With that being said,
that opens the door for the defensive line to get
addressed in these first three roundhouds the trenches. So I
believe the first three picks that the Cowboys will have,
they may be on the defensive side of the football.
They may be on defenside of football, because when you
look at the offensive line, you got those five pieces there.
You got some death pieces as well. I don't see
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them going wide receiver at twelve and I don't see
them going running back at twelve.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Look why a receiver to me is in play?
Speaker 4 (41:40):
It is based off of.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
The CD and friends.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
No no, no, no, no no no no no no
no no.
Speaker 5 (41:50):
Take that Chris taking a leak. Yeah shot, he said,
he he let the team. I'm not even going with that.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Man, My man won't take the lead. Man, you saw Pittsburgh,
the Pittsburgh game.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
Man, you did no man.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
And if you think about what they try, I'm sorry
what they tried to do with Cooks, what they tried
to do with Mingo. Cooks was supposed to be the
guy to take the top off Mingo supposed he's this
big target guy. And then so you've got Ceedee Lamb
who's in your can run in the slot and do
(42:36):
they need a speed stir so they're in liesa Hey,
Matthew Golden, you know that kind of player. Tech McMillan,
who they talked about from Arizona with the catch raise.
I believe if you're going to try to be a
good football team, you do need to give Dak Prescott
some more weapons. So to me, when I talk first
three rounds, I am expecting a wide receiver and a
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running back in the three rounds for the Cat.
Speaker 6 (43:01):
Really, I do even with all the running back pieces
I don't know understand and not you know, outstanding dynamic pieces.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
They brought a lot of guys in the Williams who
the other Cat they brought.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
In free agent Sanders. I mean, I think those are
those are veteran guys a part of it. But I
do think you're going to go out and get yourself
a young running back.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
I just they have to. There's too much talk about
it anyway, you know, the way they're talking and what
we've seen.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Them do in the past. I believe that's going to happen.
But you you need to Okay, if you're you play
defense outside of CD Land, who you worried.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
About everybody man doubling. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4 (43:49):
But can I say this.
Speaker 5 (43:51):
I mean, it's something that that Jimmy Johnson said, you
draft to win your division, your your division, and right
the NFC east Man is the defensive lines, the offensive lines,
the running games are they're just getting better. And if
you don't, if you didn't look at Philadelphia, you didn't
look at what the commanders did to you in the trenches,
(44:13):
you're asking yourself, look if you try and run this back,
and the only difference that you make on this team
is at the running back and wide receiver. As far
as the top tier talent, I'm not saying that.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
But they were so bad there though.
Speaker 4 (44:24):
Heck, I get I absolutely, I get o'dowdel.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
No, I get it.
Speaker 5 (44:31):
But what I'm saying is ric o'doudele may not have
been you would have had that same emphasis on his
name had he had better, had he had better at
the offensive line, That's all I'm saying, or more chances,
or if he had a better defensive line. You know
what I'm saying, like those things I think really matter
when it comes down to those conference games. We were
literally in phil Man, we got outclassed in some of
(44:53):
those games. I mean, and without a better roster next
season against going up against the Eagles in command. Come on, man,
these are these are two You'll see them four times
next year, as you know. And you got the AFC West.
Look they got I think Vegas got the Cowboys. I
seven wins something like that, seven eight wins me, that
is what. Okay, it's not, it's not. We're not looking good, bro.
(45:15):
No winning season is a chander, do you think and
you think McMillan from Arizona comes in and he has
that much of an impact that he increases that win
percentage from seven to to eight or nine because of
him and being at a receiver or ashing genty at
the running back position.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
They need to get better at those two positions. They
need to get better.
Speaker 4 (45:35):
There's a lot of holes.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
There's a lot a lot of holes.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Yeah, there's a lot of I mean, I said, if
you if you all right, if you say, hey, wide receiver,
running back, defensive tackle, you still need a corner, you
still need a line back. They still need you need
tight end every stuff. Man, you know this this this
team has got issues everywhere. So where do you plug
them at? And we talk about trying to find the
best player whatnot. But I just think if I'm going
(45:58):
to pay the quarterback sixty million dollars and I'm going
to pay fifty million dollars over here to see thee lamb,
you need to get more.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Help out here.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
And if there is a speedster and from just just
listening to the tea leads here you've got Mingo and
you've got Tolbert. What's golden is the speeding got He's
different than the other ones. As far as the running
back goes. I go back to what Nate Noton talked about. Say, man,
before we're Emmitt, that was just Nate Newton. He comes
(46:25):
in it, I'm Pro Bowl. Nate make it right with
the Chargers, that was just bad football team. All of
a sudden they get lt now dudes out here making
Pro Bowls and all they did.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
I just maybe a guy off for half a second
and doing he went there, So maybe there's a lot
you're not off.
Speaker 5 (46:40):
This is and and that's the thing. Like coming off
of last season, I saw Dak get hit a lot.
He was getting that's the past protection. Yeah, he was
getting shit a lot.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
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we're gonna be okay with two rookies. And then one
of the rookies who didn't spend a whole lot of
time a training camp, who was injury, they threw him
out there and he was a right tackle, tried to
make the switch to left tackle. The national force. They
didn't help Dye And we're not talking about him at all.
But it's easy to point the finger at the player,
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to put him in the best position possible? And now
in year number two, does he make the jump that
we saw from Terrence steel make? You know, does he
make a jump that we saw jay On Tobra? You know, hey, man,
guess what rookie.
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Your man Tony said there and coach Tony said, in
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Speaker 2 (00:52):
Last week, we didn't get a chance to talk.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
So I want to go revisit something to happen last
week because I thought it was very important. And that
is the quarterback position. Joe Milton. Milton in a trade
comes over from the New England Patriots the Cowboys. Actively
we're talking to quarterbacks at the combine. There's many conversations
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held about the Cowboys taking a quarterback. This essentially takes
the Cowboys out of the quarterback mix. Joe Milton won
a game for the Patriots last year, and as we
discussed on the media mash yesterday, there's there's two thoughts
of Joe there is bazooka Joe with the and we
got a cannon. Then his competitors would call him overthrow Joe,
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what is going on? Baseball guy? He throw one hundred
miles an hof.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Is it gonna go?
Speaker 4 (01:52):
We're gonna find out.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
So He'm wanna start with you. How do you feel
about Joe Milton?
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Zuka Joe? You know, I saw plenty of them at Tennessee,
so I know about the arm strength. I'm just in
the in the vein of you know, if we're gonna
make some news in the free agency, let's let's make
some with a guy that is going to help us immediately. Uh.
And that's where I was. It was bigger news than
I thought it should be. When I when I think
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about Joe Milton, the only thing that we have to
go on is that last I don't want to call
it a preseason game, but it's the last game of
the season where Buffalo didn't play any of their starters,
and so it's a it's a preseason game basic basically,
where you know and you know, he performed well, and
I think for me, my, my, the reality of the
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situation is if Joe Milton sees any significant amount of time.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Then we're in the arch Manning sweet state.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Am I come on, guys, let's let's just a players lounge, lounge.
And and I feel like again you you're putting Dak
in another situation where I mean, when you bought in, uh,
when you bought any guy last season, he wasn't he
wasn't threatened by that. And I don't think you bring
it or bringing in a guy to threaten you. You
lose Cooper. You need to shore up the backup position.
(03:13):
I thought you had plenty. I think you have plenty
of opportunity in this draft to get a backup quarterback,
a young backup quarterback when yours or a guy like that,
you know, polish question that I'm just I mean, I'm
just saying I think you had an opportunity to go
there are some some late round quarterbacks that you could
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have looked at in this situation. And and by all accounts,
but all the polling that you see or guys are
saying what the Cowboys are going to do in the draft,
quarterback had been one of those late round picks that
you were going to get. And so look, Joe Milton
from an athletic standpoint, what I don't want to see,
Barry is I don't want to see a Joe Milton package.
I don't know, I don't want that. I don't want
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a Joe Milton package. I don't want a you get
down on the goal line and oh now we're gonna
bring Joe Milton in or No. I wanted to, you know,
keep it straight, keep it you know, honest, go out
and get some playmakers. And that's just how I felt
about I felt about the draft. I think athletically, I
think he's a freak. He's a freak. I think you know,
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arm strength, arm talent. I mean, he'll take your head
off on a five yard pass. But you know a
little bit of cam in that, you know what I'm saying.
But still I mean great athlete. And and again I
look forward to him sitting behind Dak Prescott and learning
the tricks of the trade and becoming a better pro.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
You you don't like this, you would you would have
preferred they went to the draft and taken you mentioned
Quin yours, but I think that's probably a little too high. Well,
I think I think Quin Youwers will be a guy
draft in top three rounds.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Okay, Now, I really do. I mean, I'm I'm I'm
thinking between three. Well, we don't have a four, you know,
but if you were able to pick up a four
compiscatory pick that maybe you would have been able to
get off if the guy slides, then you could pick
up a young quarterback. That's where my mind state was
at the in the quarterback room.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Because and and where mine was. Let's you get to
your point here. I'm thinking one, two, three have got
to be some guys who can can be walk in,
walking off the bus right right walking guy. And if
you're telling me and I think Queen yours is going
to be a guy that goes in rounds.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Two, three, two, three, four.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
That didn't fit for the Cowboys in my mind, and
so you you were thinking day In my mind, I'm
thinking day three.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
That's where they got a dac at.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
You're looking at that even when they gave up the
pick for Trey Lance as a Day three guy. I
don't think Queen yours is going to be a Day
three guy. And and you're talking trying to get him
in five.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I don't think when you're to be here now hanging on,
don't thinking being the fit.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Kyle McCord, may guy like that, guy like that to
be a Day three I think a Day three.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Guy, Will Howard Ohio State, Dylan Gabriel. You know that
those are Day three guys I'm thinking.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
And that was just one name that popped, you know,
for me because we're here and we know all about him.
But again, I'm just as far as skill set is concerned,
a guy that could sit behind a Dak Prescott that
is aging. You know, he's having injuries, all right, But
if that guy is able to mature into the position
and say next year, if there is a god forbid
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situation where we lose our starting quarterback, we've already seen
what this guy does in the preseason. We're confident in
what he does. And that's the same confidence that we
were talking about about Cooper Rush last season with him stepping.
Speaker 6 (06:41):
In exactly and I thought it was a solid move.
What were we getting for a six or was it
a seventh?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah? It was the Day three?
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Give me three.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
You you gave up Day three assets for a guy for.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
What you were looking at. Yeah, and three quarterback.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
And when you talk about you know those Day three guys,
all those guys we met they're kind of development of themselves.
So I feel like, you know, you've gotten a guy
in Milton who he's gonna come in develop. He'll get
all those reps in the preseason that's not gonna play
in the preseason. He'll get all those early reps and
we'll see what he can develop into. But I thought
it was a solid pick. I mean, you need to
shore up that backup position because Cooper Rush we've seen
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he's come in these past couple of years and he's
played well and he's played as well as himself into
another contract with Baltimore, so he's out the door. So
you've got to have somebody that can come in here
and basically reassure that position at the backup quarterback spot.
And you know, God forbid, hopefully nothing happens to da
because like you said, if that were to happen, we're
in the sweepstakes for something in the in the next draft.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
But for me, I found it was a solid move.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
This is a guy that's uber talented.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
When you talk about athleticism, you know, he got the feet,
he got the cannon.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Do we have that touch?
Speaker 6 (07:46):
Can he get the ball over those linebackers and drop
it right in the bucket tows. Those receivers we'll see,
but he has the talent and the arms strength to
make any throw out there. So to me, I believe
it was a solid move. And I'm with you, knew
you on this one. When you talk about those first
three rounds, they got to be guys that could come
in here and contribute.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
A's sad because especially.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
In the trenches we talked about offensive line, defensive line.
You got us solidify those those groups of positions right there, but.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Also the second level.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
You know we'll be talking about with linebackers here defensively,
conversation get over shown. But he's coming off a gruesome injury,
so I don't know if you're going to be able
to see him if at all. You know this season
coming up, so you got to reassure those positions, and
I think that's where you got to deal with those
first three rounds. I fully the pick up of Joe
Milton is a solid pickup and he should be able
to solidify that backup position if we have a quick
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quarterback whisperer on the staff.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
My questions have questions, and the only thing I'm saying
is why was New England so.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Eager to make that trade. What what was it?
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Because you got a new coach that's doing a full
evaluation of everybody that's you know, the fifth one, okay.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Josh McDaniels.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
Yeah, and like, so what what was it about his
game that didn't correlate to the new administration that says, okay,
we need to get him out of here.
Speaker 6 (08:58):
I mean we think Drake made you know, they don't
want Jake Mayfield any type of pressure.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
At all, Like I don't want this to be your room, yo, guy.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
We don't want you know, Milton coming here in the
preseason lighting it up and then Drake may is like,
all that's part of it.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
That was what I'm thinking if you read some things
up there that you know, hey, this guy was playing
right there with him in camp last year. But you know,
one guy's a high pick and and Milton, you know
he felt, you.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Know, to read what he felt some kind of way too,
like really, this is this is your man, man.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I mean that he like Orlando scheduled, look at old
boy from South Florida.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
This is your guy.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
This is I'm five. He won.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
But what we're seeing take off take off them picks?
What we're seeing him.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
But when it's when it is, competition been a bad thing.
I mean, and you have a young quarterback room and
neither guy has solidified themselves to say that, hey, he's
taking the reins and he's our future. And so I mean,
like I said that, that was my only question. When
the team is eager to get rid of young talent,
I asked those questions like, wait a minute, man, that's
WHOA Scott.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Showed you something? Why are you so quick?
Speaker 6 (10:08):
The press of these days want that competition. They're like, man,
that's all I asked. They want to feel comfortable.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
And I don't know.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
I wasn't in that locker room, but I feel like
that has something to do with it. But I want
this guy breathing down my neck. He's playing well in
the preseason, I may be struggling a little bit, and guys.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Book under that pressure when it comes to competition.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
And I go back to the point of other teams
were interested in Milton and they said, we sent him
to Dallas because that's where he wanted to go.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
And they had a respect, enough respect for a dude
who just.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Got there a couple, yeah, a couple of coffee that
tells me something about Hey, man, it tells me okay,
maybe there was a little something to it.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Yeah, here's something in there.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Now, Yes, that's what I'm saying, Come on now, New York.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
But we're not getting We took Drake, make Drake made
got Drake means there.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
So I could see some of that happening there. But
I go back into this.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
You you were going to take somebody day three, gave
up Day three assets. You've got a guy who's already
spent a year in the league, He's played a game,
won the game. Buffalo was done. But hey, at least
you did it. At least you did it, and their
job as an organization is to unlock the potential. Because
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if he didn't have these issues about overthrows and touch,
then he wouldn't have been available for that. You'd probably
had to give up a three, yes, or you know. So,
I just say to myself, moving off Trey Lance, this
has the potential to be a better player, But you've
got to keep throwing.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Ultimately, you've got to keep throwing darts at this thing.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Ron Wolf made a fantastic living in Green Bay by
constantly going and getting quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Mark Brennell.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
When he took the kid from Boston College. Hasselbeck, who
ended up going with Holgrin to Seattle. Started Aaron Brooks
when they took him, and he ended up going to
New Orleans and he was with McCarthy and they won
their first ever playoff game. Down they always Ty Dettner
was there. They had quarterbacks all the time in that system.
Kurt Warner was in Green Bay for a minute.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
So they were constantly just.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Throwing darts at this thing with the quarterback and let's
let's figure out what.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
We're going to do.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
And I think the Cowboys did the right thing if
you think about it. Dack Prescott was a dart too,
he was.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
He was a dart.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
But he came there.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Remember when he came to When he came here, it
was like him and Jamil Showers. I mean he was like,
we got two dudes at the fourth quarterback spot.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
So he was back in all those guys who was
it was Romo, Kellen Moore to Bill So.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
You may have been fourth or fifth, he was. He
was low right, so you're there. So I just believe
keep doing this if it hits great. I mean, Drew
Hinson came.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Here for a minute.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Stephen McGee, Right, McGee was a fourth round.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
So now you're going out track.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Well, now you made an exit and had you had
to do it from La Tech that they got rid of.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Chris Bean, who is the guy remember the quad he
ended up with the Jets played a couple of games.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Then you had the one quarterback that they took for
Oregon State, Matt Moore, who ended up being a really
good solid backup of play some years in Carolina Mike White.
That was White White from Law tex So you got
to keep throwing darts at this thing. So I think
they did the right thing. The Trey Lance dart missed, okay,
but you gotta keep going because of the cost of
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what it is to try to go get a starter,
you gotta do it.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
I mean, Kirk Cousins was a dart. They took r
G three. They took the dart on Kirk cut and
it worked out.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
It did.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
But then it goes back to something that Barry was said,
having that quarterback whisper on a guy that can develop
your talent when they come in. I mean, you think
about one A, one B in that situation with Washington
when they bring in those superstars. You have RG three
to setting the league on fire. But as soon as
he's injured, Kirk Cousins comes in and everybody's going, oh,
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this is the way offense is supposed to work. And
a guy standing in there and delivering the mail again,
I don't. I am not at all opposed to Joe Milton. Okay,
the athleticism, everything that he presents to me, I think
is desirable. My thing is this, he's not going to
see the field because the healthier version of Dak and
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Dak in his whole career, we hadn't been used to
these injuries the way that we've been seeing them the
last couple of years, started with the ankle, now the hamstring,
and now starting to see those durability issues. And I'm
saying to myself, just based off of what I saw
last year, because last year was a case of Murphy's law.
What could go wrong went wrong, and when we got
an opportunity to see a backup quarterback behind that offensive line,
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it went bad.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
With the running game that we had.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
Now I had all these other things in place, offensive line,
running back, I'm cool breaking Come on, Milton, let's cook.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Thirty two year old Dak Prescott now and let's go
back twenty twenty five games, twenty twenty one, sixteen games,
twenty twenty two, twelve games, twenty twenty three, seventeen games.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Last year he played eight games.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
You have to start to think about this venement and
once again throwing a dark you know, arguably the greatest
quarterback in this league was a dart Tom Brady because
they had drew bledsone and gave one hundred million dollar contract.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
So I am on board with just saying, hey, man,
let's you gotta do it. They did it, and.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Now it's up to the coaches. You guys got to
go figure it out. And then also, and you know
this very well, Bert, if it comes on the player,
what are you going to do? I'll say this, if
you're Joe Milton, there's an opportunity here because you just
have to look at the fact of what's been happening
with Dak Preston. Yes, he's lost weight. By the way,
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he's lost weight looks great, But you don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
This is a league of opportunity.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
Man, People hit hardness, I'm telling you, And for Milton,
it's all to me. It's all about the reps. The
difference between the Trey Lance Dark and this Milton Dark
to me is Milton's gonna get a hell of a
lot more reps than Trey Lance.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Goott. I'm talking not got the preseason, but scout team
during the season. You know, you had rush.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
Running those scout team getting those reps against the defense.
Trey Lance might come in here every now and then
for you know, a couple reps here and they're doing practice.
But if I'm Milton, I'm taking all those scout teams.
You know, Dak go ahead and over there and chill
over there. I'm gonna take those scout teams and I'm
gonna take those last couple of reps that you know,
when Dak is a little tired with the ones, I'm
gonna come in here and get a couple. He's gonna
get the reps to develop. And I think that was
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a difference between him and Trey Lance.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Absolutely stay there and then what you do with those reps.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Because with Patrick Mahomes, I was talking to Clark Hunt,
the owner the Chiefs. He said he would continually get
reports about what Patrick was doing.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Hey man, watched his throat.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
He's lighting up that one defense Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
We do have something here. And that was always a
thing with Trey Lance is what you never heard. Nobody
ever said he look a throw Trey may.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
One report.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
See none of that.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
And you know, guys talk.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Yeah, absolutely, guys talking.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
And that's why I was saying, man about my questions,
having questions. And you got these two guys on the
field together, and and Milton's down on the other side
taking those reps. You're getting an opportunity to see him
go up against that defense. You know, that competition and
how that is brewing each and every week. You know,
you don't just see teams dump that kind of talent.
I'm sorry. The competitive nature of football doesn't allow you
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to say, oh, it's a talented guy, let's just get
rid of him.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
No, there's something there, and I just want to know
what it is.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
That's exactly what.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
Happened with Doc and Romo will sit there. I just
watch him like, man, this dude, he's getting rid of
the ball quick. We're going to get him because he's
a Scout team guy. Dude got some athleticism to him.
We can by time a little bit. He's putting them cats.
Starting in the locker room, was talking about we got
we got a nice little back up here, and then
we went to that game against the Rams at the coliseum.
He got the whole one, and I was like, that's
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when the whole everybody's eyes was like.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Oh damn, okay, I got some game tool. Yeah, exactly,
fit right in and had control everything. And that was
a game where the coliseum they filled it up too.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
It was back.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
It was because they got so many Cowboy fans that
was it was filled up. And so that is I mean,
that's the whole thing with the dark guys. We don't know,
and I don't.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
I am not as mad at Cowboy fans as as
other people are about trailing you tried, it didn't work,
and guess what, sometimes it don't work.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
The Steelers tried with.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Just fields last year. Didn't work right, right, It's just no,
I'm sorry, I'm not gonna let me talk about the Stillers.
They just continue to make bad mistakes at the quarterback position,
and now they're about to make another one if they
waiting on hey Rod.
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Speaker 5 (22:45):
You know.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
It's thirty something years later they got black members there now.
Certain thing when I got there, they didn't have.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Okay, shout out to Augustine.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
You have fun out there, sweet God, it's funny.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
That's funny.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
It look as the masters get going.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
I hope Jordan's I'd like to see Jordan speedth win
it man, because my man's career ain't been nothing since
he had that Masters one man went on that back
nine and just you know, might have been one of
the biggest looking like duke basketball on the last on
that line, just choking away.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
That was That was swoof. That was brutal.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yes, he hadn't been the same sense and you think
about it, so, I mean, we're right here in Dallas
for so Jordan Speed was like that was the guy
now and he was right here in town.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
And then the whole Byron Nelson, you know, he had eighteens.
He was all about him. Next thing, you know, all
of a sudden he come out.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
He went to Texas and he comes this dude from
Texas a couple years late newt Skotty Shepon.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Just went past here, hit the deuces on them.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Win winning major championships, come to the world number one,
and George, oh yeah, man, you and I've gone out
there the crowds and the crowds ain't the same.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
I ain't got the crowds like he used to have. Man,
you know them crowd dwindle.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Man.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
It was like, I mean when he was in high school.
Man was in high school, had that good little run
out there to Nelton. Oh yeah, man, dude, when you
get come cold product man, even in.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
The world, even in the golf world, whole world, baby
tough man, it's tough. So it ain't the same without
tigern Man.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Just for me.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
I just like that, even though I knew he really
wasn't going to have a chance. But it's like, man,
every shot makes you come on. You got it, bab
you could come. It just ain't the same with that and.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
The crowd that you should be around him. This it
was phenomenal.
Speaker 9 (24:26):
Roar.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
I just think it's it's a bucket list. It's a
bucket list.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
Yeah, I want to go to Augusta and Chris Chris
Beam kind of you know, put you know, like in
true Chris Bean fashion, snipe me off.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Waiting list. There's a job.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Let me tell you, like this my ticket.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I will say that when you go, oh who's that?
That's I mean the amount of the amount of star.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Power people there trip you out and they're all, you know,
all there just to watch, you know, to be there.
So so that is one thing if you ever get
to go, man, he goes see some You got to
see some actors and musicians and athletes. I mean, you know,
especially those who retire. I remember Tipper Jones talking to
me and he's like, man, I finally get to go.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
It's a baseball time.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
He was retired from the Brave, get to go and
and and he makes that trip out there all the
time because Chippers golfer and just wanted to go out there.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
So I got you, bro, Appreciate you if you get it.
Let me know, man, I flied in there. Man, make
sure we don't wear white.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
You to the course.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
You go. Let's agent zero come, let's get it to
this number of back to the Cowboy. Yes, it was
a way for you.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Walk over here.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, take that box thirteen and we need you to
move it over here to this building, take it out
of the lunch say that locker room and move it
over here.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
So over shown.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
It now gets to wear the number zero. It's not
gonna play until November. Clar until on the media mash
Yester Dasco comes, Hey, look you know finally they get
to sell the jersey.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
It was zero at Texas, but I don't play till November.
And my thing is just okay, miss n What was
the hold up on the zero though?
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Like, come on, like.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
That right, Chris b went a rowdy We can't in
fringe on the mascot. But I mean, I'm happy for him.
He gets his number, and it's it's a part of
his brand. I'm happy for him. Man, you know, it's
sure brand good. And we all three of us love
the player's a beast. It's got another knee injury. Not
(27:03):
gonna be here till November.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
It was gonna look like in November exactly. Yeah, So like,
is that happy you got your number?
Speaker 5 (27:14):
But the bigger questions for me has been, you know,
from the beginning, why didn't he get it? And if
that was rowdy the mascot, if that had something to
do with it, then okay. I mean a guy wore
zero in college, and then I think it was pretty
new what he got the number in college. A lot
of those big fellows started to get to zero, and they,
you know, those big fellas, we always tugging in our shirt,
and so.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
The zero started to look like a minus.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
It didn't look good, like, oh, it did not look
good at all, man, And I thought he should have
gotten it straight out of college. But at the same time,
you know, there hadn't been anyone in the history of
the franchise to wear zero. So I knew that that
would have been a bigger issue, you know, with him
not being a number one draft pick and things like that.
But you know something you said earlier about the second level,
(28:01):
the defensive linebackers, and as we're talking about Overshown, look,
I'm of the feeling about him that we shouldn't see
him next year, and just based off of the devastation
of that injury. I think if you, I know, the
young man is making a ton of progress in that
knee injury, but is catastrophic and it was one of
(28:23):
those injuries that man. When you see Demarvin Overshown on
the field, just know that he climbed a very steep
mountain to get back on the field.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
And that's it.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
And we talk about the guys over there the rehabilitation
that they're the best in the world as far as
rehabilitating his acl all those knee injuries. But this is
a guy that is a part is going to be
a part of your the bigger picture, your future. And
when he played last years, I talk about Murphy's law
and things going wrong.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
His injury was a part of it.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
But before that you were seeing sparks from him where
you're like, oh, we don't just have Michael Parsons as
that playmaker. You got a guy that is the speed,
the athleticism, the ferociousness.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Of what he played with was that.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
That's what I'm talking about right there, and we didn't
have that, you know, from all eleven guys. He may
have been two three guys that was bringing that. And
so I'm just hoping look for him for his career.
And I know we want to sell the jerseys, the
shirts and all of that stuff, but man, keep you know,
let this guy rehab. Let this guy rehab, and if
we don't see him until twenty six, I'm good with that, man.
Speaker 6 (29:32):
And I get what you're saying with that. Well, first
of all, I'm glad he got out of thirteen. You don't,
you know, you suffered so many injuries and that you
that number for you you need to just get away
from it.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
So you got this zero.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
I'm glad he was able to do that.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
But when we talk about, you.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
Know, that second level and the importance of having those linebackers,
we got to a coordinator by the name of eberflus
Here and form my time playing under Eberflus.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
You know, he had the Shawn Lee's.
Speaker 10 (29:54):
Of the world.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
He had the Orlando mcclains. The linebackers on that second
level needed to make this defense go. You go to Indianapolis,
you had a solid second level. You go to Chicago,
he had those guys on the second level. The linebacker
position in his defense is of the utmost importance. They're
the quarterbacks of the defense. They make sure the calls
are belayed when you're doing stunts with the defensive line.
(30:18):
In his system, the linebackers are right there with you.
They call them, you know, a pirate, which is you know,
defensive tackle coming down, defensive in coming down, that linebacker
scraping over the side. It's important for his defense, especially
in the run game, to have those guys on the
second level that can either erase issues with the defensive
line if somebody makes a mistake, or be able to
get deep in zonause he runs a lot of zones
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in his defense as well. So without having you know,
that second level down pat who is gonna be tough.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
You know, it's gonna be tough, especially in his system.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
So it's I'm worried about, especially up until Overshoon's able
to come back, and even when he gets back, we
don't know what he's gonna look like.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Yes to me, and I worry. That's worries some to me.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
Nless you're able to hit on a prospect or a
draft guy or get somebody else that's you know, you're
able to hit on that second level, that's going to
be an issue for this defense.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
So eber Flus is bringing over the one linebacker he
had at Chicago.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
They've got Kenneth Murray.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Got Kenneth Murray in here, so they're trying to say, hey,
we've got some people here as far as the rehab goes. Heck, Cam,
I hear what you're saying. We come down here to
do the show. Britt Brown's out there.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
Working with somebody, right, always with fans. Always, you talk
about one of the best in the world.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
That So come November, if they say we think he's ready,
then I'm going to trust them. I'll trust them to
say you're ready to go. I go back to this
whole thing we're talking about. These the first three picks
that you know in the first two days. So the
first round is on Thursday. Friday's rounds two and three.
This is where the Cowboys are going to have to
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really think about the deep dive of work.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
You're at twelve. Do you take a wide receiver? At twelve?
You need a running back.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
You're gonna have things that you need to do, these
kinds of players that you want in the top three.
You know, I think wide receiver is something that they
would address in the top three. I think running back
is something they address in the top three. I think
defensive tackle is something they have to address in top three.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Corner, I mean they got.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Stuff is Yeah, it's going to be very interesting on
where they land on this because they've got some needs here.
So when you talk about the linebacker, well, is that
maybe a Day three guy where you start to think
about a Bland who you got at corner.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Like, hey, here's a guy that would fit.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
This is going to be a very interesting draft priority list.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
It's interesting because, like you said, you know, offensively, there's
so many wards. Defensively, there's so many wards. Do you
think and that's what we talked about it earlier, Earlier
on I said they got to make one side of
the football that dominant side. And to me, I feel
like you got a better chance of making that offensive
side with that. You know, you got some offensive line
and pieces there. You got CD Lamb, you got Ferguson.
(32:56):
You know you're missing a couple of pieces here whether
but on the defensive side of the football, I mean
every level, you're looking at.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Something and yeah, I see you say that, And I
come back into that think man that that de tackle rooms.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
I'm it's not there. It's it's not right now.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
It's not it's not there right now. But I go
back into when they took Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
The thought process was, if Ezekiel Elliott with this offensive
line is good, we're going to help our exactly, going
to help the defense there. So it's this, This is
where you hope that Schottenheimer Will McLay can get together
with their staff to find these right pieces and and
(33:38):
do the team building correctly. You're going to miss on
some guys. You're gonna hit on some guys Zach Bond
and what the Eagles got out of him.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
But that's what you do. That's what you do when
you're out there, minding, you trying.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
To But that's what you That's what I worry about
at twelve is reaching and I think twelve, you're in
a sweet spot because it's hard to make a mistake there.
You kind of you're in the top ten at twelve,
you know, literally, because look, if you make a mistake there,
it's because you absolutely reached on a guy. In the
last two drafts, we have been reaching on guys and
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we've missed. We've missed on the Mazie Draft. You missed
on and guiding still one year, we're still saying, hey,
we're keeping hope there. But based off of what we
saw last year. Look, I listened to you. I listened
to what you're saying earlier about hey, that the Cowboys
have holes on both sides, and so how do you
fix all of it? You can't fix all of it
(34:37):
in one draft. You got to do some of it
in free agency, and you got to do some of
it in draft. But it's all patchwork. You look at
this offensive line, You look at those five guys. There's
only one guy on that offensive line. And I'm not
speaking for you, I'm just saying this one guy that
I can say is elite. And you look across all
thirty one other teams, you know, so there's a ton
of bad offensive linemen but the ones that are playing
(34:58):
laid into January, they have some synergy and some great
players in that offensive line room.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
There's there's a lot, you know.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
I mean when you do a comparison with even just
just doing the NFC East, all right, not the rest
of the league tackle to tackle, you know. Look, I'll
take guiding out of it. For our center, it is
a rare shirt. I mean, you got to give him
a mulligan for last year learning a new position, the guard.
I mean Jack Martin retired, all right, but then you
have a guy in Hoffman the steps in still learning
(35:26):
the role, Terrence Smith. This is a this is a
must have it prove it year for Terror Smith because
last year, excuse me, Sari still you know he is
he has got to get it.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
He can you know, still still.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Has to have.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Man.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
You know what, you know, I've been beat into the ground. Man,
you know we're still up by twenty off the plane.
What I call Terrce, I called him terrors. What I
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All Right, Sadeq Charles unretired. Cowboys picked him up, so
he's got eighteen starts in thirty five games. And so
they have are throwing more bodies at the offensive line,
which leads me to believe that I don't think that
the twelve they'll be taking a offensive tackle or anyone
(39:05):
there or the top three. I believe that they're going
to try to Hey, here's our linement. Were throwing some
bodies here, let's let's figure it out. Awesome Richards who
ended up getting hurt at the end of the year
as a tackle possibilities. So I think they're going to
most likely in the top three, not touch that position.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
And just go what they got thoughts.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
Yeah, I mean Sadik Charles steps in after being off
for a season ad depth and you really don't know
what to make of a guy that you know, took
off last season.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
Whatever it was for.
Speaker 5 (39:34):
We don't get any reasons for why he was competing
in camp prior. I think it was Tennessee that he was.
I believed, yeah, it was on his way to winning
the position based off of what the reports are, and
decided to step away again, you know, whatever those issues were.
If he could come in and be a solid depth
piece for you, I think it works out so much
better for the Cowboys because we saw all season, you know,
(39:57):
guys were going down and you needed for guys to
step in and you know, on the fly and produce.
Austin Richards to me is the biggest piece that I've
you know, have been saying all season long, like look, man,
this is a guy that really kind of earned it
last season. But then you know, again, you're going to
continue to building that and I think through you know,
undrafted guys. They obviously bound Terence Steel that way, and
(40:20):
so that's all I'm looking at. You got to add
more depth to this offensive line because right now they
can't be sold on the five that they have right now. No,
I'm with you on that, And you know what I say,
you got to add those depth pieces on there. And
if this team is going to run the football as
much as you know the coaches have been saying this offseason,
I think that'll leave a lot of pressure from this
(40:40):
offsive line, especially from past blocking, because that's really you know,
where their issues were when you look at the past
couple of seasons, you know, running the football, they were
a decent offensive line to almost good offsive lines running
the football, creating holes for guys like Rico and Tony
Pollard before that to get going. The issues that they
had it was past blocking guys coming off the edge
of guys going straight up the middle.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
That was the issue.
Speaker 6 (41:03):
So you know, adding these death pieces and having them
five offensive line that you have here.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
I'm good with that.
Speaker 6 (41:08):
I'm good with that, especially if you're gonna run the
football like you say you are. With that being said,
that opens the door for the defensive line to get
addressed in these first three roundhouds the trenches. So I
believe the first three picks that the Cowboys will have,
they may be on the defensive side of the football.
They may be on defenside of football, because when you
look at the offensive line, you got those five pieces there.
You got some death pieces as well. I don't see
(41:29):
them going wide receiver at twelve and I don't see
them going running back at twelve.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Look why a receiver to me is in play?
Speaker 4 (41:40):
It is based off of.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
The CD and friends.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
No no, no, no, no no no no no no
no no.
Speaker 5 (41:50):
Take that Chris taking a leak. Yeah shot, he said,
he he let the team. I'm not even going with that.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Man, My man won't take the lead. Man, you saw Pittsburgh,
the Pittsburgh game.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
Man, you did no man.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
And if you think about what they try, I'm sorry
what they tried to do with Cooks, what they tried
to do with Mingo. Cooks was supposed to be the
guy to take the top off Mingo supposed he's this
big target guy. And then so you've got Ceedee Lamb
who's in your can run in the slot and do
(42:36):
they need a speed stir so they're in liesa Hey,
Matthew Golden, you know that kind of player. Tech McMillan,
who they talked about from Arizona with the catch raise.
I believe if you're going to try to be a
good football team, you do need to give Dak Prescott
some more weapons. So to me, when I talk first
three rounds, I am expecting a wide receiver and a
(42:59):
running back in the three rounds for the Cat.
Speaker 6 (43:01):
Really, I do even with all the running back pieces
I don't know understand and not you know, outstanding dynamic pieces.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
They brought a lot of guys in the Williams who
the other Cat they brought.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
In free agent Sanders. I mean, I think those are
those are veteran guys a part of it. But I
do think you're going to go out and get yourself
a young running back.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
I just they have to. There's too much talk about
it anyway, you know, the way they're talking and what
we've seen.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Them do in the past. I believe that's going to happen.
But you you need to Okay, if you're you play
defense outside of CD Land, who you worried.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
About everybody man doubling. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4 (43:49):
But can I say this.
Speaker 5 (43:51):
I mean, it's something that that Jimmy Johnson said, you
draft to win your division, your your division, and right
the NFC east Man is the defensive lines, the offensive lines,
the running games are they're just getting better. And if
you don't, if you didn't look at Philadelphia, you didn't
look at what the commanders did to you in the trenches,
(44:13):
you're asking yourself, look if you try and run this back,
and the only difference that you make on this team
is at the running back and wide receiver. As far
as the top tier talent, I'm not saying that.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
But they were so bad there though.
Speaker 4 (44:24):
Heck, I get I absolutely, I get o'dowdel.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
No, I get it.
Speaker 5 (44:31):
But what I'm saying is ric o'doudele may not have
been you would have had that same emphasis on his
name had he had better, had he had better at
the offensive line, That's all I'm saying, or more chances,
or if he had a better defensive line. You know
what I'm saying, like those things I think really matter
when it comes down to those conference games. We were
literally in phil Man, we got outclassed in some of
(44:53):
those games. I mean, and without a better roster next
season against going up against the Eagles in command. Come on, man,
these are these are two You'll see them four times
next year, as you know. And you got the AFC West.
Look they got I think Vegas got the Cowboys. I
seven wins something like that, seven eight wins me, that
is what. Okay, it's not, it's not. We're not looking good, bro.
(45:15):
No winning season is a chander, do you think and
you think McMillan from Arizona comes in and he has
that much of an impact that he increases that win
percentage from seven to to eight or nine because of
him and being at a receiver or ashing genty at
the running back position.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
They need to get better at those two positions. They
need to get better.
Speaker 4 (45:35):
There's a lot of holes.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
There's a lot a lot of holes.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Yeah, there's a lot of I mean, I said, if
you if you all right, if you say, hey, wide receiver,
running back, defensive tackle, you still need a corner, you
still need a line back. They still need you need
tight end every stuff. Man, you know this this this
team has got issues everywhere. So where do you plug
them at? And we talk about trying to find the
best player whatnot. But I just think if I'm going
(45:58):
to pay the quarterback sixty million dollars and I'm going
to pay fifty million dollars over here to see thee lamb,
you need to get more.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Help out here.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
And if there is a speedster and from just just
listening to the tea leads here you've got Mingo and
you've got Tolbert. What's golden is the speeding got He's
different than the other ones. As far as the running
back goes. I go back to what Nate Noton talked about. Say, man,
before we're Emmitt, that was just Nate Newton. He comes
(46:25):
in it, I'm Pro Bowl. Nate make it right with
the Chargers, that was just bad football team. All of
a sudden they get lt now dudes out here making
Pro Bowls and all they did.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
I just maybe a guy off for half a second
and doing he went there, So maybe there's a lot
you're not off.
Speaker 5 (46:40):
This is and and that's the thing. Like coming off
of last season, I saw Dak get hit a lot.
He was getting that's the past protection. Yeah, he was
getting shit a lot.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
And they and Jerry admitted he made a mistake thinking
we're gonna be okay with two rookies. And then one
of the rookies who didn't spend a whole lot of
time a training camp, who was injury, they threw him
out there and he was a right tackle, tried to
make the switch to left tackle. The national force. They
didn't help Dye And we're not talking about him at all.
But it's easy to point the finger at the player,
(47:13):
but what did the organization do to help the player
to put him in the best position possible? And now
in year number two, does he make the jump that
we saw from Terrence steel make? You know, does he
make a jump that we saw jay On Tobra? You know, hey, man,
guess what rookie.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
You pooh pooh?
Speaker 3 (47:28):
What are you going to do in the weight room?
Your man Tony said there and coach Tony said, in
any given sunday.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
I can't do it for you. That's fact the axes
we need around us.
Speaker 5 (47:42):
If you look at Dyke, I think you'll see a
guy gotta go that it.
Speaker 4 (47:48):
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
So, Tyler Dyke, what do you gotta do. We're gonna
find out.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
Heckman, Harrison, Barry Church, drugs for Chris, Jazz, Josh, everybody.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
We're out.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
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