November 3, 2025 • 47 mins
The trio of Rob King, Mike Prisuta, and Matt Williamson break down all aspects of the Steelers big win against the Indianapolis Colts.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
And thanks very much for being with us on the
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the show and three seconds later I've forgotten that directive
from Justin Miller, our producer. But here we are.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I thought you were just being dramatic.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yeah, I could have gotten away with that, couldn't I could? Yeah,
but we're we're about transparency here on the Point After.
So uh, anyway, Thists win twenty seven and let's get
initial thoughts, Mike. Let's I think we started with Matt
last week, so let's with you this week. Initial thoughts
on this year's victory.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Boy, I could go so many different ways with this,
and I'm sure we'll get to some of the technical
stuff and some of the actual playing of football. But
I was pretty close to apoplectic when I heard Cam
Heyward say after the Packers game there's not enough fight,
because hey, let's face it, you can have all the
fight in the world and still lose. But if you
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don't have enough fight, you're never gonna win, right, And
it had me recollecting back to Devin Bush after he
had his knee injury and somebody asked him if he
was tentative because he had had to undergo knee surgery
playing the game again, and he said, well, you know,
if you pet a dog and you get bit, who's
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to say when you're gonna want to pet a dog again?
And I thought, you're in the dog petting.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Business, right, do a living.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
That's that's job one. And you know, well, there's not
enough fight really. Seven games, end of the year, and
then fast forward to Saturday night and Jalen Ramsey gives
a speech to the team that gets the impression of
forty one year old twenty one year vet Aaron Rodgers,
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and then they go out and play like they play
so they care. Now they care. You watch Cam Hayward play,
he cares. You watch TJ. Watt play, he cares. Now
they got to care a little more often, and we'll
see what that looks like. Because I thought, emotionally they
were flying, and we saw them that way in Ireland
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because they were playing for Dan Rooney in the organization,
and you see it periodically.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
We need to see that a little more often.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
So, Matt, before I get your impression, I want to
throw one more guy in that list, because Darius Slay
in game. This guy's multiple pro bowler. You have a
very thin secondary because of injuries and illnesses. You don't
have a lot of guys out there. So I did
not see the replay from my broadcast position when they
were tending to him on the ground, but I guess
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when he hurt his finger, somebody touched his hand and
he pulled it away like he'd stuck his hand in
the fire. So he was obviously in a lot of pain.
They take him into the Blue ten for about four
seconds and they're like, you need to go to the
locker room. So you're thinking it's either broken or dislocated.
And he comes back with it taped up and gets
out there and plays a ton of snaps. I think
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when you're talking about guys who care, guys who are
trying to lead by example or words or what have you,
you know, Look, he's not among my short list. Of
long list of defensive heroes who played great games, but
I think he deserves a doff of the cap for it's.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
An interesting point and maybe he needed to show that
because when you're talking about guys who didn't have enough
fight against Green, but he was at the top of
the list for that half hearted attempt at stopping the
Savion Williams swing pass that wound up being a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
So yeah, I'll I will give.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Give him his props through you, but he needed, he
needed to do that.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
And he did.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
So.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Matt your impressions to this victory, Well, I think.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
That's a great one because when we convened one week ago,
I'm like, but I don't think they're beating the Colts.
Chargers are looking pretty good. This is a four game
losing streak in the middle of the season with the
Ravens coming on heavy. This might be the point of
the season where it all goes down the drain, you know,
And I don't feel that way at all now. A
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lot of because of what Mike said, and I loved
that the defense carried the day. I mean, the offense
really wasn't that great, but nobody's talking about that today,
nor Shield you know, and then we'll get into it
and we get into the weeds. But I also want
to give credit to Mike Tomlin because he had to
have We're never going to know this answer, but he
and his staff, but he's in charge, had to look
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in the mirror this week leading up to that game
and say, man, this team isn't the one that's gonna
plat games be played. The teams with Duck Hodges and
Trubisky and those type of things. It's not a race
to twenty anymore. I mean, the way that we're constructed,
I'm gonna have to be aggressive and go for things
on fourth down. I'm not gonna be able to settle
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for fourth downs or for field goals. And frankly, I
was super impressed, and I'm when we're done with the show,
I'm gonna watch you all twenty two. But it was
pretty obvious they changed their defensive scheme a great deal,
and I thought that deserves I thought that was commendable.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah, and you know, I do wonder you know, the
average NFL game, even ones that are blowouts, not all
of them obviously, but lots of them are just defined
by three or four plays. So for example, early on
in this game, I thought, rutrow, shaggy, this this is
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a bad start. Three and out, you punt it away.
They do what the Colts have done all year long.
They march down the field and score touchdown. Yeah, then
you go another three and out and punt it away.
By the way, then opted.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
To receive to go three and out in the first time. Yeah,
that's right, we want to go three and out, by.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
The way, I like that. You know, the Cults are
one of the few teams the Colts and the Falcons
are one of the few teams. I think they're the
only teams that, if they win the toss, are going
to elect to receive. Always want the ball, We're going
to take the ball.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Winners always want the ball. Shape, So uh, I kind
of liked it.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I liked the decision too, because remember the Colts lost
the coin toss and the Steelers got the choice, and
they elected to receive the ball. This wasn't a deferral.
This was we want the ball, so for the purposes,
not for the purposes of going three and out, Mike,
but for the purposes of doing something more. They go
three and out, Colts.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
I love the decision.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
It's just right.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
So now you're starting to think, oh, now you are
punting it away after another three and out, and now
you're starting to think about talk about your your thoughts
getting away from you. They're gonna kick it off, they're
gonna they're gonna punt it away. They're gonna march out
and score again. They're gonna get the ball to begin
the second half. We're in big trouble. And then the ball,
of course is recovered by accles and you're like, great.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Let you know.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Then they go for it on four that you're like, phenomenal,
and then they don't get it. You're like, oh, you know,
so all these moments that go back and forth, and
then you know the TJ. Watt. I think, if you're
gonna look at one play that maybe turned the momentum
of the game, who's a TJ. Watt? But it got
me thinking, Matt, and I'll go with you first on
this in terms of not revisionist history, but a couple
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plays going against you. Okay, so you lose to Cincinnati,
a game in which early on look like you might
blow them out. You lose, Okay, fine, Thursday Night on
the road, Whip, We've heard the story before. Then you're
up sixteen seven at the half against Green Bed, getting
the ball first on the cusp of maybe blowing that
team out, and you wind up losing. I don't know
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whether we just think, hey, didn't make a play or two,
or do we throw that on the burning bonfire of
games in which you've given up thirty or more points here?
Do you do both?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:55):
I mean that's a good point. I mean, then you
look at the Bengals playing the Bears yesterday, and it's
a ridiculous. You know, it's caed.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Eighty points the last two games and lost the most lost.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
The incredible They've given up like way over one hundred
the last three. Yeah, So that one, I just think
some of it is just very Bengals esque. Those are
going to be shootouts all day long, like they were
last year. And frankly, I just thought the Steelers were
one play short on that one. Green Bay I thought
became the better team and took things over, you know,
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and I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
You had the lead going into the fourth quarter. I
know exactly what you're saying, and that's exactly and the
thing that was so difficult about that game, I think
for Steelers fans, is what you're saying is exactly how
you felt leaving there, Like if you'd played another half
of football, they would have scored another twenty eight points, Right,
That's just the way it felt.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Where Cincinnati might have been. Whoever, it is a ball
last right exactly?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Ye. Yeah, So anyway, I don't know. Again, you can't
revise the history anymore than you can say, look this
time last week and probably against the Bengals saying, hey,
it's a tough way to make a living if you're
asking a team to do what they did against New
England five sacks, five turnovers, and then we look at yesterday,
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why did they win five sacks, six turnovers against the
Colts team that, to quote Matt Williamson stat again, first
team in the Super Bowl era through their first eight
games to have allowed fewer than ten sacks and have
fewer than five turnovers. The Steeler's got two more turnovers,
and they allowed all season and more than half the
sack total.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
First team since at least nineteen fifty to be eight
weeks into a season or longer to turn the ball
over two more times in a game than.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
It had all seasons. Who is that team, Lou the
toe grows. Clen Browns, No, it hadn't happened.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
They don't go back further.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I got you. I got in terms of this minutia
statistical man, a steegles team that pulled that off.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
So how did it happen?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Well, Matt, you're gonna look at the AL twenty two
for scheme, but I'm looking at divisional labor. And part
of this was necessity. Part of it was by design.
One Thornhill didn't play defensive snap. You had Ramsey at
free safety, you had Dugger at strong safety. You had
Porter at one corner, you had Slay at the other.
You had Eckles in the slot. Now that changed a
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little bit when Slay got hurt a couple of times,
so you had to bring Pierre in uh to get
Eckles in the slot. And sometimes Eckles was outside when
it was four DB's.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
But they didn't choose to move Ramsey.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
All of a sudden, you had pretty much the same
guys in the same spots, and you didn't have a
boatload of miscommunications. You didn't have a boatload of guys
running free. Yeah, they're gonna give up some completions to
the Colts. They're pretty good tackle the catches. Dick with
Bow used to say, Dick was in the house.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
It just looked a lot cleaner.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
And then the schematic revelation that I saw was the
three inside linebackers at one thing like.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
A four to three for a while.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah right.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
You know there was one series in particular where they
tried nickel and the Colts ran Jonathan Taylor three straight
times and he got the first down. He didn't go crazy,
but he got the first down. They have had problems
defending the run in the nickel over the years. Maybe
this is the look that you need to stop that
from happening because it keeps Peyton.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Now did they do this because hulkomb.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Was unavailable, I don't know, but it kept Peyton Wilson
on the field.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
This kid's a really good player.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
He's got to be on the field.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
That's something I'm going to be talking about. It's gonna
be some mistake. Never leave us second year now, he's
got to be out there. And if you want to
bulke up a little bit, Harrison's out there. Thought he
played really well for a guy who's you know, come off,
I r he can be the thumper.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Wilson can be the cover guy and Patrick Queen can
be the whatever you want him to do, line up
in a gap on the line of.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Scrimmage, blitz, do whatever.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
But I think they stumbled into something their care.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Always like. I like his game. Look, people have talked about, well,
he's you know, at the point of attack, he's not
this or that or the other thing. Well, first of all,
I'd like to see him Peyton wist you know, I
like his ranginess. I look, you know, him running down
Jordan Addison in retrospect may have saved that game in Ireland, right,
I mean he caught Jordan Addison from behind.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
One of those one or two can full of plays
changes the trajectory.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Right in a game which you almost blew them out
and you had to hang on to win. That Peyton
Wilson tackle was a was a huge play in that game.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
But the Ramsey think of free safety I'm now obsessed with.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Okay, so we'll get I want to get I'll talk
about all week is we just leave him.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
There's just him and Dougger and we solved that problem.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Doug until Elliott comes back, and then it's uh, then
it's Ramsey and Elliott.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Right, and then we'll see if something happens tomorrow during
the trade deadline, right, we'll have to find out if
a potential may move is made that adds to the group.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
We're not getting traded, right.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
No, no, no, no, no, you've got I got no trade.
Nobody can afford the cap hit on you or Matt.
It just can't afford it.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Multiple first round picks.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah, yeah, it's the cost of acquisition. It's the cap
hit you just yeah. There's an old Marx Brothers movie
where they're they're playing in a band and guy goes, hey,
you guys are pretty good, and then he listens a
little while longer, he goes, hey, are you guys in
gout says we're very expensive, you know we're And then
then after the guy, the guy says how much to
get you to stop? And he goes, you can't afford that? So, uh,
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you can't afford Matt Williamson. You can't afford Mike pursuit.
You can't afford that they're staying right here, Peyton Wilson.
So inside linebacker. It took your moment, didn't it. So
and I had to hurry it because it's the football show, right,
this is not this is that Horse Feathers and Duck Soup.
I don't know. I don't remember which movie was in.
(13:42):
So what you're talking about right now, let's get back
to football, Matt. You've talked quite a bit about inside linebacker.
You know, we used to talk about corner being the
hardest position to learn for a young player. Is it
now inside linebacker? And why is that? And are we seeing,
maybe Peyton Wilson that learning curve happening kind of quickly
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for him.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
I do think it's happening very quickly. And I always
thought he was really good from the neck up. He's
a weird body type. He's short armed, he's kind of tall,
he's kind of high cut. I don't know that he'll
ever be great taking on blockers. That that aside, and
I really was interested in that true four to three
because they'd never done with Hulcombe, but they do it
with Harrison, who I think is a lesser player.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
But they were doing it with Hulcomb.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
They were like, okay, Holcomb, send Peyton's out, yeah, or
the three of them, Like, I wonder what the three
of those three would look like. I mean, Harrison was
obviously they wanted that kind of body against Taylor out
of three wides, right.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
I mean, that's what I'm thinking too, is because they
played way more too high, So I'm thinking they wanted
their their box to be a little heavier, and Harrison's heavier.
He's not going to run people down. So I thought
was pretty ste.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Van Halen package. Best of both worlds.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Worlds there you go, very yes. Off of all, linebacker
is brutal for rookies.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Is it because quarterbacks attack that position to face.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Coordinators manipulate them to no end, the shanahan's and mcveigh's
with motion and all this stuff that's crossing their face
in the passing game. And I also think the league
has a bit of a mistake in that the highly
drafted ones are athletes as opposed to quote, I know,
I hate instincts, but instinct guys, the slow dude Zach
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Thomas doesn't go in the first round, you know what
I mean? The fast dudes that are still kind of
learning the position that are great athletes and then they
get thrust in right away too. But no young linebackers.
There's a shortage of linebackers in the league, and young
ones get manipulated to know end well.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Peyton Wilim was terrific that that formation was excellent. We're
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you know, uh, Matt, that's a big play because it
comes after the TJ. Watt strip sack, which I think
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we can identify as the turning point of the game.
Like the Colts steal the score. Now the Cults are marching.
They have the ball at the Steelers thirty eight yard
line and you're getting that feeling again, like uh oh,
And here's one of the ones that you know again
we talk about different things that change the momentum of
the game. They go in, they score, They you know,
chew up a little more clock through up fourteen to seven,
they're eyeing getting the ball to begin the third quarter.
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Who knows how the game turns out. Yeah, wat the
strip sack and then two plays later you get a touchdown.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Yeah. And I think all of us were a little
guilty of at least thinking about going down this road.
But it bothered me in the same vein these last
couple of weeks where we've all heard the talk all
through the city. Man, this defense is old. Cam ain't
what he used to be. Why would you have paid
what trade high Smith? All these defensive backs they brought
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in or over the hill? And I'm glad we can
at least remember that high Smith is a really good player.
And if they're going to leave what one on one,
he's going to abuse you time and time again. And
I thought Cam was tremendous in this game, and the
guys you invested in and our leaders were all spectacular.
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And Mike mentioned it earlier. I thought Ramsey was such
a stabilizing force in the back end of the defense too.
I don't think it's coincidence that everything was much cleaner
and they had more and they also changed their coverages
around a lot too. But let's not forget how good
these professional athletes are at what they do. You know
what I mean?
Speaker 1 (17:59):
By the way at a touchdown came after the Peyton
Wilson it was the Watt was the one that turned
the momentum and they went on a long drive and scored.
I just want to kick myself. That came after the
Peyton Wilson interception, that that to play drive touchdown. There
were there were a lot of them.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
I've read this this morning. There's been four times this
year that there's been a defense that turned somebody the
opponent five times or more two of them.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, yeah, And you know, listen, Mike, the only cautionary
thing I want to say is that it's hard to
do that week in and week out. I don't care
how good a defense you are. It's only happened four
times all year. And of course the twoers have two wins,
and it's not like every game they've needed five turnovers
to get to win. But look, you'll take the win
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and you'll be happy with it. But there's probably gonna
be games in which you need to just simply stop
the opponent and and turn them over the traditional way
by punt and find a way to score more points.
But you didn't need to in this game.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I totally get what you're saying there. But also they
have what they call a turnover culture, and man, I
don't know how many years.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
We have to go back.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
They're pretty good at it.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
They're in the high long every year.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
It helps when you're playing from ahead and you know
you can put them in those one dimensional situations. It
helps when you're playing at home because you get that
little extra off the pass rush because they're on a
silent count and they're a little eye blink slow uh,
and you know catch the ball when they throw it
to you. The Peyton Wilson interception, the Porter one, to me,
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the game was over and they're just launching it and
they have to try to make plays. He just jumped it.
Good for him, nice nice story to get a pick
in front of his dad. But the Peyton Wilson one,
it looked to me like he had Taylor in the flat,
and it looked to me like Dale Jones thought he
had Taylor in the flat and Peyton just I don't
know if it was film study or instinct or he
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thought the ball was going where it was going to
go and he just jumped it and there was a
great play. You're right though, about not being able to
count on these kind of outbursts, but boy, if they
can stop the run the way they did, it's got
a lot more of a like happening. And that is
probably my statistical biggest like, oh my god, I didn't
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see that coming, was them stopping Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Well, really, the one game in recent vintage in which
they didn't was the Bengals game. Like Chase Brown ran, also,
Josh Jacobs didn't run all over them, you know.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
After Chase Brown ran on to my lost faith in
their ability, but it shouldn't Jacobs didn't run.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Although Emanuel Wilson is an excellent second half against so
you're right, he had an excellent second half against the Steelers.
You know, they never really got to Jonathan Taylor. Just
watching their film, they did a lot of throughout the
course of the season, not exclusively, but a lot of
passing to set up the run. Well, when you're behind,
the run goes away. So they were passing and they
weren't getting ahead, and Jonathan Taylor became an afterthought.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Their throw first half run second half team.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Yeah, big time, that's right.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
And a lot of what they need the.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
First half is they show you a little Taylor. Yeah,
and then they start play actioning you to death because
he gets one or two runs popped early. And now
nine guys are biting on the play action thing because
you're so terrified to Jonathan Taylor and Taylor Jones is
just taking turns, complete passes to guys.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
You know, stiking comes from the Eagles. That's what they
did with Barkley. I mean that's how they won Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Running throwing the first half, run and second Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
You think him as a run team, but when they
have a big lead.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah. So by the way, just one doff of the
cap for Taylor, who deserves more than one doff of
the cap. But watching him, you know, watching all these
games this year, he's an interesting guy in that like
a lot of times you'll see a guy like make
a move like Le'Veon Bell would make a move and
you could see him making a move and you could
see the guy coming up and whiffing on him, right, Taylor.
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I don't know what it is about him, but there's
a quick move and now one guy goes flying and
misses him, and then another quick movementnother guy that's like,
and then another guy grabs him, and he just runs
through it. It's like an economy of motion for him.
Like it doesn't look like he's juking guys, but guys
aren't touching him. It doesn't look like he should be powerful,
but he runs through tackles and then he doesn't even
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look like he's running that fast and nobody can catch him,
and his contact balance is off the charts. He's an
interesting guy to watch.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
So I've said this for years, and I don't know
Michael if we've ever had this conversation, but if you
put all the great running backs in NFL history in
those ugly Penn State white uniforms without any names or
numbers on him, to me, it's almost like guitar players.
I can hear Hendrix for three chords and be like,
Jimi Hendricks, Oh that's Clapton, Oh that's Paige, you know,
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and I think all the running backs, if you put
them all in those jerseys, you'd be like, Oh, that's
lev Bell, that's Barry Sanders, that's Walter Payton. And Taylor's
isn't as jaw dropping as some of those, and that
people just fall on the floor and miss him. It's
a lot more subtle with strength and speed and balance,
and it's just as impressive. But he has his own style.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
He does have his own style, and luckily that style
didn't get going. So Jalen Ramsey had safety.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
What do you think that was a really cool way
to describe that.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
The guitar players thing.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
I think it's exactly dead on two chords. I mean
I could be. I don't know if I can my
eyes closed. I don't need to, you know, know the
name and numbers, but man, that's Hendrix.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah, so Jayleen Ramsey had safety. Matt Mike brought it
up early.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
What do you think I'm very open to the idea. Yeah,
I mean so, by the way, Duggart, just real quick,
give him credit.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Man, all but one snap on defense, right, all but
one snap?
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean he did not stand out in
a negative way.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
It props to him, but he's an eight year guy, right, Yeah, Yeah,
he had a good career. It looks like they've simplified
it a little bit.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
You know.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
I said all week though, if I'm slaying the.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Box covered the tight end when he goes.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Out, we're good. Like that's his thing, Like he's a
box safety. Yeah, you know he's You don't want him back.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
One of the reasons I want Ramsey free safeties. I
don't know that they have another free safety on the
team right, like you mentioned tomorrow a little while ago.
I mean, they clearly don't want to play Thornhill. I
hope Chuck Clark gets over his illness. I don't want
to see him on the field again anytime soon.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
He's not a free either. Elliott's not a free Nope, Nope.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Thugger's not a free nope.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
I mean he might be Menka by default.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Am I missing anybody?
Speaker 4 (24:32):
No? I mean Killer Brew's gone and he wasn't.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Yeah, and I get that he you know, I think
I had this conversation with you guys already this year,
But when I first heard that they had made the
trade for Jalen Ramsey, I envisioned Porter and Ramsey on
the corner, each playing press man and no more Patrick
Mahomes catching it sideways or catching it and throwing it
sideways for a six yard game because they're giving huge cushions. Okay,
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it didn't work out that way. They used Ramsey in
a slatt. I thought, oh, you know, I didn't think
of that. But boy, he comes off the slot like
a freight train and he affects the running game and
he can brush the passer from there.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
That's really cool too. Well. He can do a lot
of stuff.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
They need him to do free safety stuff. Yeah, yeah,
like it's right, it's not a choice, it's the fault.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Yeah yeah. I mean to me, that's one of the
beauties of acquiring them is he can do all those things,
but he.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Has to do them all in the same game. I'm real.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yeah, I'm getting colder on that by the day.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
I agreed. And the thing that I think he's proven
not to and frankly, the last couple of teams he's
played for, they have not asked him to be an
outside the numbers Dion Reevis type guy. All the other
stuff I think he's great at. Yes, he can do
it here and there, but he's not following Chase around,
you know, for eighty snaps or whatever Faul Garrett Wilson
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last year. Yeah, I just think that's asking him to
be something he used to be. But everything else I
think he's exceptional.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
At It'll be interesting, right because to your point, Mike,
that might be what you have right now.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
And it might be a good answer, right, maybe a
trade for a corner.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
And you know it's good.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Good coaching if.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
You can, you know, assess your team as you go
and think, you know, what, we wanted to do this,
but if we do that, it makes more sense based
on who we are.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
By the way I was looking at the I was
looking at the different you know, plausible trade candidates. You know,
jay and Waddle at the top of the list. We
know what team isn't better with Jayo and Waddle If
he's going to get traded with the corner from the Saints,
real fast guy, I can't remember his name, but he's
he's supposedly on that list, and I was like, Corner,
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i'd be interesting, you know, interesting, and especially a guy
that can really run. But we'll see, I don't know,
I don't know if they'll make any moves, you know,
I mean, we'll know that we'll probably be talking about
that on our respective shows later in the week because
the trade deadline is coming up tomorrow afternoon.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
But you know, bottom line is, I mean, no, it's
an instant reaction, but Ramsey and Dugger and then eventually Elliott, Okay, right,
I mean I think safety solved, right, I mean that
doesn't mean but in corners of nightmare as a result,
then you might have to move again.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
But your point, Jalen has to be the free in
that scenario. Oh yeah, I mean you could put those
guys back on occasion. They've got some flexibility to play there.
Talking about Deshaun and Duggart, but you want them.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
They stay more middle of the field open, not a
true center fielder in this game than they have in
a very long time.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
A lot of Cover two.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
They played a lot of Cover two. They've played a
lot of Cover four as opposed to Cover one, Cover
three with a single.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
High And I did see Dougger drop back a lot
a lot.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
I mean he aligned there, but a couple.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Of times at the snat, you know they're doing the
uh yeah, I'll come up, you go back thing. I
don't know that I saw a ton of it, but Uh,
I don't want dugger being a run in space guy.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
No, I agree, I think even though he's fast.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Yeah, it used to be before he had ankle surgery.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Okay, so slowed down a little bit, you know, I
believe he has so. The other thing that they were
doing against that cover two, which is a typical pattern
again to cover too, were these long out patterns right
where you throw it over the guy in front, the
corner in front and in front of the safety in
the back. They did a lot of that. Now began
to tighten up a little bit. I felt as the
game went on, I felt like those windows got a
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little bit smaller for Daniel Jones.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
But Pierson Pittman were highly effective. Gonna start to finish. Yeah,
a lot of those type of I mean.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Usual and they were those deep outs.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Right Here's Here's is usually a vertical guy, and he's
kind of changed his game and gotten a lot better
at the outs and the outbreaking stuff.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
These guys are both really good receivers. Do those guys
are both really good receivers. Their ability to make contested
catches really stands out.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Ye, Pittmans. I'm a pit I'm a Pittman fan. I
really like Ptman and downs the more I watched them,
when watching all the games leading up, Just that that
guy you can get too quickly, you know, Uh, it's
third and four, he's boo boop, and then he got
him for five or six and it's first down and
he's a he's an interest sting character.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Steelers could have made four or five contested catches early
in that game.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
That might have changed the trajectory.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah, yep, that would have been nice, right, But it
didn't happen. It didn't worry And I'm not even worried
about the yards the offense did. Essentially, Mike, the offense
did what it had to do in this game, right,
And I think you know, the game presents itself right again.
If we knew what the score was going to be,
we would just quit our jobs and move to Vegas.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Right.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
If we knew what the outcome was going to be,
we we could all be rich.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
You don't have to do that anymore.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I don't, I don't, I don't do it anyway.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
You knew the outfit outcome, nobody'd ever watched the game,
but we all we'd all know what was going to happen.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
And so didn't you just hit on the thing that
drives fans crazy because they refused to accept that the
NFL is week to week and so three shuffles every
week based on health and.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
More this year than anywhere I can fact remember, by
the way, Mike, I can't agree like this.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Yes, you always hear if the Steelers drop a game
of the Bengals, Oh that's a Tomlin game. Okay, Well,
I guess Detroit had a Dan Campbell game and green
Bay had a Matt Lafloor game because green Bay lost
at home to Carolina and Detroit lost at home the
Minnesota every Sunday.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
And if people looked at that.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Night yesterday, yeah, yesterday was great, right, it was emotional.
The Super Bowl team was there, they played really well.
It was a great day. If you think that's gonna
happen every game the rest of the way, I got
news for you.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
It's not. It might not happen Sunday in l A.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
But right now they've they've gone through eight games.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
They're five and three.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
The trick is to try to keep navigating this gauntlet
and get yourself into the playoffs so you have a chance.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
And what bothers me is when it doesn't happen, people
get that's not who they are.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
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to see the audio network, And that was a big
play and it felt like they needed it. And you
identify momentum switchers in the game. I think that's that's
number one on my list, although Mike plenty more came
after that.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Yeah, but we without that one. I mean, it was
getting wobbly at that point. We had seen a three
and out after agreeing to take the ball to start
the game. We had seen the failure at the goal
line after the Colts special teams fiasco. We had seen
the Colts score touchdown. We had seen the Colts sucker
the Steelers with a fake punt that they were not
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ready for and should have been. And we had seen
the Colts drive the ball to the Steelers thirty eight
yard line with apparently no intentions of stopping there and TJ.
Watt turned the game on its ear. That was critical.
I mean, they needed stuff after that. But without that,
maybe it's fourteen to nothing, and maybe we're having an
entirely different conversation this morning.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
So happy to see Joey Porters actually get know we're
taking this. It's afternoon and evening, by the way, morning
doesn't figure into this. Just see now I think he's
in morning, doesn't It doesn't doesn't figure it in this regards.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
This morning when I started trusting as it was.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
For me, you know, but not not as early as
you for sure. So Joey Porter Jr. Got credit for this.
I think his sack was at the one where he uh,
that's all right, Yeah, well when they marked it. I
think I said on the air, too bad. He doesn't
get credit for sack, but I guess it was a loss,
so he got credit for a sack, that's right, anybody.
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I thought Derek Harmon was really good again, and Keanu
Benton he is he's he's really having a fine season.
He picks up another sack. I thought he was visible.
I like when those three guys are on the field
at the same time, Hayward, Harmon and Benton. I like
that because I think all three of them are disruptive.
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I thought Cam Heyward backed up his talk to his
team by playing a strong game as well.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
I thought he was tremendous. I thought Cam was slute, phenomenal.
Back to the conversation we're having like a half hour
ago about this team is so good at creating splash.
The way they bat passes down the line of scrimmage,
led by Cam is not an accent. Every year, they're
like one or two in the league. It's going to
throw that out there. And the way they force fumbles,
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it's not just Sackson interceptions. I mean they're the best
in the league in those two categories over and over
and over, and Watt and Cam and these guys are
phenomenal at those specific skills amongst others. What we talk Oh,
one of my postgame notes that for a different podcast
I was doing is just Benton. I wrote down. Benton, Wilson,
and Harmon I think are all in really nice places
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of their development. You know, they're still young players ones
a rookie, and development's not linear. I mean at times
I was looking at Benton, especially earlier in the year, like, man,
that's not a nose. I mean, he's gonna get pushed around.
He can't take on double teams. But the way they're
using them now and a lot of it's as Harmon's
in the mix and a little bit more WYI Black.
I think all three of those guys we already talked
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about Wilson are really coming along nicely.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
That's amazing. I can't believe that.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
They never developed talent. Have any ideo time?
Speaker 2 (35:12):
No, you took notes.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
I always hear that this team can't develop talent.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
You're just You're the guy just sees and remembers. I mean,
you know forty times from fifteen years ago. I do
a lot of shows that Matt, particularly around the time
of the draft, and I'll be dragging a Santa's.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Bag and you kill a lot.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Yeah yeah, and he just sits down.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
What the time we start?
Speaker 3 (35:33):
No, now, okay, rips it off.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
But the guy I wanted to talk tarnish my reputation
when I bring my laptop in. But I've got like
fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
I don't worry.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
You got a lot of wiggle room. Harmon had a
two play sequence in the fourth quarter. It was about
eight half minutes left. They were up twenty four to ten,
and Indy threw a kind of a shallow cross to
Tyler Warren and he caught it over the middle and
was running laterally a little bit, and ninety nine caught
him and tackled him for a nine yard gate. Like
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he rushed the pass or followed the ball, ran to
the ball tackled the guy. The next play, high Smith
breaks in, it separates Jones from the ball, and.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Harmon falls on it.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
It was almost like little mini kind of Troy Paula malloesque,
like he can make a play over here and then
the next play, you make a play over here. And
that to me when he's got that kind of motor
going thinger, yeah, more please, Yeah, And I think he's
got that going because when the leaders got it going, yeah,
the rookies follow.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
And that is the steer way, right, That's what the
Steelers do. The young guys start to get to that
point where the old guys can either be pushed out
or retire or what have you, and be the next
group of guys taking over. I'm not saying that's definitively happening,
but underneath this, hey, the Steelers are a really old team.
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Is this young group of talent that, hopefully, yeah, will
begin to be the ones that carry the mantleum moving forward.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Right, And frankly, it goes back to Joe Green in
terms of like leaders in the locker room all the
way to Cam and hopefully who's ever's next? I mean,
I don't know who that name is. But I mean,
we're talking about big time Hall of Fame type dudes
and a lot of guys in between. And frankly, it's
been a Steeler trait really since I've covered the team
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for been involved with the team for ten fifteen years.
I don't know how long I've been doing it, but
been around the team, and I think Carl Dunbar deserves
a ton of credit. And I'm embarrassed. I forget the
defensive line coach's name.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Before John Mitchell.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
I think instilled. It's better than anywhere I've ever seen.
And he turned cam Yeah legend and played for Bear Bryant.
That's why I'm embarrassed. But yeah, no, I know. But
those guys run to the ball like a thundering herd,
and I think that started with coach Mitchell.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Yeah, I agree. I think Harmon in particular. You know,
when he first got into the lineup, you get a
little bit of a delayed start, and everybody thought, Okay,
now the run defense is fixed. Well, it turns out
I took a little more than that. But to Matt's point,
the steady progression that he's on is really encouraging.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Well, when you talk about steady progression. It felt like
that's what the Steelers were doing right the first week,
it got run all over. Second week, you lose to Seattle,
and again you keep in mind that you gifted Seattle
a touchdown and that you threw a touchdown. You threw
an interception in the end zone when there's a little
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miscommunication about you know, where Austin should be versus Friar
move After the game, Rogers said that would have been
a touchdown, and so you know, okay.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
So this far two point swing in the game.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
So the right, they scored thirty one points, but you
know they really scored twenty four and and do you
maybe hold them down even further anyway? Regardless again, if
this then that blah blah blah, I understand that. But
then you hold the next three opponents to fourteen point
seven points per game for three straight and you're thinking, okay,
we're on the way. Then you go to Cincinnati and
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then you play a really good half of football against
Green Bay and then you don't play a very good
second half. So you know, Matt just said that the
progression of a team and a player is not linear.
We'll see where the Steelers go. But it feels like
there's enough players and enough elements on this team, and
enough indications on this team from what they put on
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tape that they can be hopefully a defense at a sending.
As we get through November and then get into December, football.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Probably gonna need to be based on who they're playing.
I think, you know, starting this Sunday, I mean, they're
gonna have to show up again.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Chargers are still running a ball.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
I don't know who they're running it with, but they're
still running the ball.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
It's been a variety in Hampton can come off ir
this year.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Or this week, and Herbert is having a really nice year.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
They have really good weapons right now too.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Fidell at running back.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Lamar is back.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
I'll quake in fear of that, but he is an
accomplished player and you better be on your defensive piece
and q's if you're going to stop that. Chicago's putting
up points and running trick plays and doing all that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
So yeah, it's uh, you know.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Exhale, appreciate yesterday and then get to work on tomorrow
because it doesn't stop.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
And frankly, the defense was really bad for two weeks, clearly,
but it's never as bad as it really looks, sometimes.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
For forty five minutes of the six for.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
Forty five minutes right, or sometimes it's not as good
as it looks the next day because Tom and I
had a long conversation in the pre pregame show about
I know there's no stat for this, but I bet
over the Cincinnati and Packer game they had to lead
the league in near sacks like a hair away. And Okay,
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I know horses and hand grenades, I get it, but
they were awfully close to making a lot of big
plays in those two games and it just didn't quite happen.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Is that what Pro Football Focus calls a pressure.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Or a or a win rate?
Speaker 3 (41:09):
I usually stay away from it.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Is that why that stuff is useless?
Speaker 4 (41:12):
If you notice they're not in the stat pack very.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Often because unless you actually get there and get the
guy on the.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
Ground, I don't know who's sitting there chart and oh
that's a pressure.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Well, look, you want to dictate, and part of that,
and Mike alluded to this earlier, Matt, part of dictating
is running the football. I think it's great that we
saw the twentieth Anniversary team and they dictated that era
of Steelers football dictated, they would get the lead and
they would hammer you with Jerome Bettis and that defense
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is right right, that defense is rested, and out they come.
And now it's you know, it's thirteen to three, and
it feels like a blowout even though it's a ten
point game. Now, what do you have to You have
to throw and here comes that rested defense, and here
comes the sacks and the turnovers and all those things.
Because you used to dictated, it.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Used to amaze me how quickly their opponents would give.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Up on the run.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Right, they'd try it four or five times and just
be like, okayten proceeds and today so but.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
But but to Mike's point, you know, you need to
dictate more offensively. I also think, look, you you played
the game that was in front of you and won it.
The defense was doing their job, The offense was taking advantage.
They were scoring points. They didn't rack up a lot
of yards. They did not run the ball effectively. After
four consecutive games of running the ball, well, they did
not run the ball effectively.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
I think there's definitely some negatives on the offensive.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Yeah, and look, I thought the offense was trending upward
and now maybe this is a one game dip and
you can see them hopefully trend back upward against because again,
because it's not linear, So I would like to see
the offense being able to get back to dictating. I
would like to see the team begin to win the
time of possession. We talk about where you want to
be in December and January. You don't have to do
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the culture good example, they were seven to one and
they're time of possession was under thirty minutes a game.
It was not they didn't have a great time a possession,
but they had a great record at seven to one
coming into this game. So there are different ways to win.
And obviously want to win the game it's in front
of you, but as an overall trend of moving in that,
I would like to see the time of possession moving
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in that direction, not just to help the offense, but
to help the defense.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
Now, I'll be the first to say time of possession
can be a little bit overrated, although I cite it
and I believe in it wholeheartedly. Because sometimes the Colts
would just give the ball to Taylor on the first
play of the drive. It did take it eighty. Well
you're not gonna eat up a lot of colts, right,
you know, go right back. But for the Steelers, the
biggest thing I harped on all last week, forty seven
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percent of the points they allowed was in the fourth quarter.
Like if you just break it down by quarter, first quarter,
the first, second, third quarter, they were between eighth and
twelfth in the league in points allowed. Really good, above average, Yeah,
despite just getting gashed by these last couple teams and
then a distant last in fourth quarter scoring on defense,
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distant last, And to me, that directly reflects on being
out there too much. I mean, less defense is better defense, right,
and eventually it's going to catch up to you, right,
And can't get out time and possessed every.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Game, and we're at that time of the season. I
always wonder, at what time of the season do I
want to put more and more faith in statistics? You know,
and you can't like, you know, if you're going against
the Chargers, well you have the worst run defense in
the league. Well, we've only played one game against a
team that's going to run the ball a ton at
you as a stewars found out where they got gashed
(44:34):
in Week one and right, sure, these things happen, but
and you know, you can look at for example, against Minnesota,
you're playing a prevent defense and maybe that helps you,
maybe that hurts you in fourth quarter defense. But you
get to that point of the season where it becomes
more than a game by game issue. It's become a
bit of a trend and controlling the crme to yeah.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
You're a distant thirty second, but.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
We're there now, right, Yes, we're there. I think we're
there now, I would agree. Yeah, so statistics mean something, Yes,
they matter.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
They're not you know, binding. I mean you can get
better the good teams, the teams that will contend, we'll
get better. Two areas of improvement I'd like to see
the Steelers. I'm very respectful of your time of possession argument, guys.
But more points, Yeah, I think more points, particularly early
in games, gives you the opportunity to sit on it
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a little more in the second half, keeps your defense
off the field, keeps your defense in an advantageous position,
and the other just you know, keep stopping that run
because I don't want to, I don't want to think
it's fixed.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
I still have Chase Brown pts.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Quick snapshot of the Chargers coming up next in a
big game for both these teams. You know San Diego's rally.
Though they great early and then flagged a little bit.
Now they look pretty darn good again, even with all
their injuries. Look, no more talk about Steelers injuries. I
get it, they're hurt Chargers, man. I mean, this is
a team that wants to run the ball there without
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two premiere tackles potentially with all haven't heard the.
Speaker 4 (46:04):
I don't think it's gonna be good.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
No, it doesn't look like it's going to be good.
And your two top running backs, right.
Speaker 4 (46:10):
I think Herbert is an utter superstar, and they've there's
a misconception that they just want to run, run, run
and run. And I'm sure Harball would in a perfect world.
But he also took this job because of Herbert.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
He had to run away from his old because he
should cheatter.
Speaker 4 (46:26):
But but the tackle situation, oh, I know.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Okay, the tackle situation there is dire.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
It's dire.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
It's really a problem right now. But they are dangerous
through the air for sure. Hampton could come back.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
I think.
Speaker 4 (46:43):
See it's getting in a pretty decent.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Time, big game, Go get a man in the road
the next one.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
I mean, I'm not trying to belittle the circumstances or
how significant it would be to build on this performance,
but I mean they're five and three. There's they still
have more games to play than they have played. That's right,
And I hate to rely on Mike Tomblins cliched sing song.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
But you know, still writing a story. Stay tuned, see
you next Sunday.
Speaker 4 (47:13):
That's a good chapter though.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
Yeah, well, this chapter of our story is finished. It's concluded.
I want to thank Justin Miller at the controls here
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Speaker 2 (00:40):
I thought you were just being dramatic.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yeah, I could have gotten away with that, couldn't I could? Yeah,
but we're we're about transparency here on the Point After.
So uh, anyway, Thists win twenty seven and let's get
initial thoughts, Mike. Let's I think we started with Matt
last week, so let's with you this week. Initial thoughts
on this year's victory.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Boy, I could go so many different ways with this,
and I'm sure we'll get to some of the technical
stuff and some of the actual playing of football. But
I was pretty close to apoplectic when I heard Cam
Heyward say after the Packers game there's not enough fight,
because hey, let's face it, you can have all the
fight in the world and still lose. But if you
(01:26):
don't have enough fight, you're never gonna win, right, And
it had me recollecting back to Devin Bush after he
had his knee injury and somebody asked him if he
was tentative because he had had to undergo knee surgery
playing the game again, and he said, well, you know,
if you pet a dog and you get bit, who's
(01:48):
to say when you're gonna want to pet a dog again?
And I thought, you're in the dog petting.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Business, right, do a living.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
That's that's job one. And you know, well, there's not
enough fight really. Seven games, end of the year, and
then fast forward to Saturday night and Jalen Ramsey gives
a speech to the team that gets the impression of
forty one year old twenty one year vet Aaron Rodgers,
(02:17):
and then they go out and play like they play
so they care. Now they care. You watch Cam Hayward play,
he cares. You watch TJ. Watt play, he cares. Now
they got to care a little more often, and we'll
see what that looks like. Because I thought, emotionally they
were flying, and we saw them that way in Ireland
(02:38):
because they were playing for Dan Rooney in the organization,
and you see it periodically.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
We need to see that a little more often.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
So, Matt, before I get your impression, I want to
throw one more guy in that list, because Darius Slay
in game. This guy's multiple pro bowler. You have a
very thin secondary because of injuries and illnesses. You don't
have a lot of guys out there. So I did
not see the replay from my broadcast position when they
were tending to him on the ground, but I guess
(03:06):
when he hurt his finger, somebody touched his hand and
he pulled it away like he'd stuck his hand in
the fire. So he was obviously in a lot of pain.
They take him into the Blue ten for about four
seconds and they're like, you need to go to the
locker room. So you're thinking it's either broken or dislocated.
And he comes back with it taped up and gets
out there and plays a ton of snaps. I think
(03:27):
when you're talking about guys who care, guys who are
trying to lead by example or words or what have you,
you know, Look, he's not among my short list. Of
long list of defensive heroes who played great games, but
I think he deserves a doff of the cap for it's.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
An interesting point and maybe he needed to show that
because when you're talking about guys who didn't have enough
fight against Green, but he was at the top of
the list for that half hearted attempt at stopping the
Savion Williams swing pass that wound up being a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
So yeah, I'll I will give.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Give him his props through you, but he needed, he
needed to do that.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
And he did.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
So.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Matt your impressions to this victory, Well, I think.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
That's a great one because when we convened one week ago,
I'm like, but I don't think they're beating the Colts.
Chargers are looking pretty good. This is a four game
losing streak in the middle of the season with the
Ravens coming on heavy. This might be the point of
the season where it all goes down the drain, you know,
And I don't feel that way at all now. A
(04:29):
lot of because of what Mike said, and I loved
that the defense carried the day. I mean, the offense
really wasn't that great, but nobody's talking about that today,
nor Shield you know, and then we'll get into it
and we get into the weeds. But I also want
to give credit to Mike Tomlin because he had to
have We're never going to know this answer, but he
and his staff, but he's in charge, had to look
(04:51):
in the mirror this week leading up to that game
and say, man, this team isn't the one that's gonna
plat games be played. The teams with Duck Hodges and
Trubisky and those type of things. It's not a race
to twenty anymore. I mean, the way that we're constructed,
I'm gonna have to be aggressive and go for things
on fourth down. I'm not gonna be able to settle
(05:11):
for fourth downs or for field goals. And frankly, I
was super impressed, and I'm when we're done with the show,
I'm gonna watch you all twenty two. But it was
pretty obvious they changed their defensive scheme a great deal,
and I thought that deserves I thought that was commendable.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah, and you know, I do wonder you know, the
average NFL game, even ones that are blowouts, not all
of them obviously, but lots of them are just defined
by three or four plays. So for example, early on
in this game, I thought, rutrow, shaggy, this this is
(05:49):
a bad start. Three and out, you punt it away.
They do what the Colts have done all year long.
They march down the field and score touchdown. Yeah, then
you go another three and out and punt it away.
By the way, then opted.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
To receive to go three and out in the first time. Yeah,
that's right, we want to go three and out, by.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
The way, I like that. You know, the Cults are
one of the few teams the Colts and the Falcons
are one of the few teams. I think they're the
only teams that, if they win the toss, are going
to elect to receive. Always want the ball, We're going
to take the ball.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Winners always want the ball. Shape, So uh, I kind
of liked it.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I liked the decision too, because remember the Colts lost
the coin toss and the Steelers got the choice, and
they elected to receive the ball. This wasn't a deferral.
This was we want the ball, so for the purposes,
not for the purposes of going three and out, Mike,
but for the purposes of doing something more. They go
three and out, Colts.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
I love the decision.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
It's just right.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
So now you're starting to think, oh, now you are
punting it away after another three and out, and now
you're starting to think about talk about your your thoughts
getting away from you. They're gonna kick it off, they're
gonna they're gonna punt it away. They're gonna march out
and score again. They're gonna get the ball to begin
the second half. We're in big trouble. And then the ball,
of course is recovered by accles and you're like, great.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Let you know.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Then they go for it on four that you're like, phenomenal,
and then they don't get it. You're like, oh, you know,
so all these moments that go back and forth, and
then you know the TJ. Watt. I think, if you're
gonna look at one play that maybe turned the momentum
of the game, who's a TJ. Watt? But it got
me thinking, Matt, and I'll go with you first on
this in terms of not revisionist history, but a couple
(07:20):
plays going against you. Okay, so you lose to Cincinnati,
a game in which early on look like you might
blow them out. You lose, Okay, fine, Thursday Night on
the road, Whip, We've heard the story before. Then you're
up sixteen seven at the half against Green Bed, getting
the ball first on the cusp of maybe blowing that
team out, and you wind up losing. I don't know
(07:43):
whether we just think, hey, didn't make a play or two,
or do we throw that on the burning bonfire of
games in which you've given up thirty or more points here?
Do you do both?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:55):
I mean that's a good point. I mean, then you
look at the Bengals playing the Bears yesterday, and it's
a ridiculous. You know, it's caed.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Eighty points the last two games and lost the most lost.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
The incredible They've given up like way over one hundred
the last three. Yeah, So that one, I just think
some of it is just very Bengals esque. Those are
going to be shootouts all day long, like they were
last year. And frankly, I just thought the Steelers were
one play short on that one. Green Bay I thought
became the better team and took things over, you know,
(08:25):
and I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
You had the lead going into the fourth quarter. I
know exactly what you're saying, and that's exactly and the
thing that was so difficult about that game, I think
for Steelers fans, is what you're saying is exactly how
you felt leaving there, Like if you'd played another half
of football, they would have scored another twenty eight points, Right,
That's just the way it felt.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Where Cincinnati might have been. Whoever, it is a ball
last right exactly?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Ye. Yeah, So anyway, I don't know. Again, you can't
revise the history anymore than you can say, look this
time last week and probably against the Bengals saying, hey,
it's a tough way to make a living if you're
asking a team to do what they did against New
England five sacks, five turnovers, and then we look at yesterday,
(09:09):
why did they win five sacks, six turnovers against the
Colts team that, to quote Matt Williamson stat again, first
team in the Super Bowl era through their first eight
games to have allowed fewer than ten sacks and have
fewer than five turnovers. The Steeler's got two more turnovers,
and they allowed all season and more than half the
sack total.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
First team since at least nineteen fifty to be eight
weeks into a season or longer to turn the ball
over two more times in a game than.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
It had all seasons. Who is that team, Lou the
toe grows. Clen Browns, No, it hadn't happened.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
They don't go back further.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I got you. I got in terms of this minutia
statistical man, a steegles team that pulled that off.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
So how did it happen?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Well, Matt, you're gonna look at the AL twenty two
for scheme, but I'm looking at divisional labor. And part
of this was necessity. Part of it was by design.
One Thornhill didn't play defensive snap. You had Ramsey at
free safety, you had Dugger at strong safety. You had
Porter at one corner, you had Slay at the other.
You had Eckles in the slot. Now that changed a
(10:17):
little bit when Slay got hurt a couple of times,
so you had to bring Pierre in uh to get
Eckles in the slot. And sometimes Eckles was outside when
it was four DB's.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
But they didn't choose to move Ramsey.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
All of a sudden, you had pretty much the same
guys in the same spots, and you didn't have a
boatload of miscommunications. You didn't have a boatload of guys
running free. Yeah, they're gonna give up some completions to
the Colts. They're pretty good tackle the catches. Dick with
Bow used to say, Dick was in the house.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
It just looked a lot cleaner.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
And then the schematic revelation that I saw was the
three inside linebackers at one thing like.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
A four to three for a while.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah right.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
You know there was one series in particular where they
tried nickel and the Colts ran Jonathan Taylor three straight
times and he got the first down. He didn't go crazy,
but he got the first down. They have had problems
defending the run in the nickel over the years. Maybe
this is the look that you need to stop that
from happening because it keeps Peyton.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Now did they do this because hulkomb.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Was unavailable, I don't know, but it kept Peyton Wilson
on the field.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
This kid's a really good player.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
He's got to be on the field.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
That's something I'm going to be talking about. It's gonna
be some mistake. Never leave us second year now, he's
got to be out there. And if you want to
bulke up a little bit, Harrison's out there. Thought he
played really well for a guy who's you know, come off,
I r he can be the thumper.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Wilson can be the cover guy and Patrick Queen can
be the whatever you want him to do, line up
in a gap on the line of.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Scrimmage, blitz, do whatever.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
But I think they stumbled into something their care.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Always like. I like his game. Look, people have talked about, well,
he's you know, at the point of attack, he's not
this or that or the other thing. Well, first of all,
I'd like to see him Peyton wist you know, I
like his ranginess. I look, you know, him running down
Jordan Addison in retrospect may have saved that game in Ireland, right,
I mean he caught Jordan Addison from behind.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
One of those one or two can full of plays
changes the trajectory.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Right in a game which you almost blew them out
and you had to hang on to win. That Peyton
Wilson tackle was a was a huge play in that game.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
But the Ramsey think of free safety I'm now obsessed with.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Okay, so we'll get I want to get I'll talk
about all week is we just leave him.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
There's just him and Dougger and we solved that problem.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Doug until Elliott comes back, and then it's uh, then
it's Ramsey and Elliott.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Right, and then we'll see if something happens tomorrow during
the trade deadline, right, we'll have to find out if
a potential may move is made that adds to the group.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
We're not getting traded, right.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
No, no, no, no, no, you've got I got no trade.
Nobody can afford the cap hit on you or Matt.
It just can't afford it.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Multiple first round picks.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah, yeah, it's the cost of acquisition. It's the cap
hit you just yeah. There's an old Marx Brothers movie
where they're they're playing in a band and guy goes, hey,
you guys are pretty good, and then he listens a
little while longer, he goes, hey, are you guys in
gout says we're very expensive, you know we're And then
then after the guy, the guy says how much to
get you to stop? And he goes, you can't afford that? So, uh,
(13:21):
you can't afford Matt Williamson. You can't afford Mike pursuit.
You can't afford that they're staying right here, Peyton Wilson.
So inside linebacker. It took your moment, didn't it. So
and I had to hurry it because it's the football show, right,
this is not this is that Horse Feathers and Duck Soup.
I don't know. I don't remember which movie was in.
(13:42):
So what you're talking about right now, let's get back
to football, Matt. You've talked quite a bit about inside linebacker.
You know, we used to talk about corner being the
hardest position to learn for a young player. Is it
now inside linebacker? And why is that? And are we seeing,
maybe Peyton Wilson that learning curve happening kind of quickly
(14:04):
for him.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
I do think it's happening very quickly. And I always
thought he was really good from the neck up. He's
a weird body type. He's short armed, he's kind of tall,
he's kind of high cut. I don't know that he'll
ever be great taking on blockers. That that aside, and
I really was interested in that true four to three
because they'd never done with Hulcombe, but they do it
with Harrison, who I think is a lesser player.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
But they were doing it with Hulcomb.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
They were like, okay, Holcomb, send Peyton's out, yeah, or
the three of them, Like, I wonder what the three
of those three would look like. I mean, Harrison was
obviously they wanted that kind of body against Taylor out
of three wides, right.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
I mean, that's what I'm thinking too, is because they
played way more too high, So I'm thinking they wanted
their their box to be a little heavier, and Harrison's heavier.
He's not going to run people down. So I thought
was pretty ste.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Van Halen package. Best of both worlds.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Worlds there you go, very yes. Off of all, linebacker
is brutal for rookies.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Is it because quarterbacks attack that position to face.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Coordinators manipulate them to no end, the shanahan's and mcveigh's
with motion and all this stuff that's crossing their face
in the passing game. And I also think the league
has a bit of a mistake in that the highly
drafted ones are athletes as opposed to quote, I know,
I hate instincts, but instinct guys, the slow dude Zach
(15:24):
Thomas doesn't go in the first round, you know what
I mean? The fast dudes that are still kind of
learning the position that are great athletes and then they
get thrust in right away too. But no young linebackers.
There's a shortage of linebackers in the league, and young
ones get manipulated to know end well.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Peyton Wilim was terrific that that formation was excellent. We're
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you know, uh, Matt, that's a big play because it
comes after the TJ. Watt strip sack, which I think
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we can identify as the turning point of the game.
Like the Colts steal the score. Now the Cults are marching.
They have the ball at the Steelers thirty eight yard
line and you're getting that feeling again, like uh oh,
And here's one of the ones that you know again
we talk about different things that change the momentum of
the game. They go in, they score, They you know,
chew up a little more clock through up fourteen to seven,
they're eyeing getting the ball to begin the third quarter.
(16:51):
Who knows how the game turns out. Yeah, wat the
strip sack and then two plays later you get a touchdown.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Yeah. And I think all of us were a little
guilty of at least thinking about going down this road.
But it bothered me in the same vein these last
couple of weeks where we've all heard the talk all
through the city. Man, this defense is old. Cam ain't
what he used to be. Why would you have paid
what trade high Smith? All these defensive backs they brought
(17:19):
in or over the hill? And I'm glad we can
at least remember that high Smith is a really good player.
And if they're going to leave what one on one,
he's going to abuse you time and time again. And
I thought Cam was tremendous in this game, and the
guys you invested in and our leaders were all spectacular.
(17:39):
And Mike mentioned it earlier. I thought Ramsey was such
a stabilizing force in the back end of the defense too.
I don't think it's coincidence that everything was much cleaner
and they had more and they also changed their coverages
around a lot too. But let's not forget how good
these professional athletes are at what they do. You know
what I mean?
Speaker 1 (17:59):
By the way at a touchdown came after the Peyton
Wilson it was the Watt was the one that turned
the momentum and they went on a long drive and scored.
I just want to kick myself. That came after the
Peyton Wilson interception, that that to play drive touchdown. There
were there were a lot of them.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
I've read this this morning. There's been four times this
year that there's been a defense that turned somebody the
opponent five times or more two of them.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, yeah, And you know, listen, Mike, the only cautionary
thing I want to say is that it's hard to
do that week in and week out. I don't care
how good a defense you are. It's only happened four
times all year. And of course the twoers have two wins,
and it's not like every game they've needed five turnovers
to get to win. But look, you'll take the win
(18:46):
and you'll be happy with it. But there's probably gonna
be games in which you need to just simply stop
the opponent and and turn them over the traditional way
by punt and find a way to score more points.
But you didn't need to in this game.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I totally get what you're saying there. But also they
have what they call a turnover culture, and man, I
don't know how many years.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
We have to go back.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
They're pretty good at it.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
They're in the high long every year.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
It helps when you're playing from ahead and you know
you can put them in those one dimensional situations. It
helps when you're playing at home because you get that
little extra off the pass rush because they're on a
silent count and they're a little eye blink slow uh,
and you know catch the ball when they throw it
to you. The Peyton Wilson interception, the Porter one, to me,
(19:35):
the game was over and they're just launching it and
they have to try to make plays. He just jumped it.
Good for him, nice nice story to get a pick
in front of his dad. But the Peyton Wilson one,
it looked to me like he had Taylor in the flat,
and it looked to me like Dale Jones thought he
had Taylor in the flat and Peyton just I don't
know if it was film study or instinct or he
(19:57):
thought the ball was going where it was going to
go and he just jumped it and there was a
great play. You're right though, about not being able to
count on these kind of outbursts, but boy, if they
can stop the run the way they did, it's got
a lot more of a like happening. And that is
probably my statistical biggest like, oh my god, I didn't
(20:21):
see that coming, was them stopping Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Well, really, the one game in recent vintage in which
they didn't was the Bengals game. Like Chase Brown ran, also,
Josh Jacobs didn't run all over them, you know.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
After Chase Brown ran on to my lost faith in
their ability, but it shouldn't Jacobs didn't run.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Although Emanuel Wilson is an excellent second half against so
you're right, he had an excellent second half against the Steelers.
You know, they never really got to Jonathan Taylor. Just
watching their film, they did a lot of throughout the
course of the season, not exclusively, but a lot of
passing to set up the run. Well, when you're behind,
the run goes away. So they were passing and they
weren't getting ahead, and Jonathan Taylor became an afterthought.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Their throw first half run second half team.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Yeah, big time, that's right.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
And a lot of what they need the.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
First half is they show you a little Taylor. Yeah,
and then they start play actioning you to death because
he gets one or two runs popped early. And now
nine guys are biting on the play action thing because
you're so terrified to Jonathan Taylor and Taylor Jones is
just taking turns, complete passes to guys.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
You know, stiking comes from the Eagles. That's what they
did with Barkley. I mean that's how they won Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Running throwing the first half, run and second Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
You think him as a run team, but when they
have a big lead.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah. So by the way, just one doff of the
cap for Taylor, who deserves more than one doff of
the cap. But watching him, you know, watching all these
games this year, he's an interesting guy in that like
a lot of times you'll see a guy like make
a move like Le'Veon Bell would make a move and
you could see him making a move and you could
see the guy coming up and whiffing on him, right, Taylor.
(21:55):
I don't know what it is about him, but there's
a quick move and now one guy goes flying and
misses him, and then another quick movementnother guy that's like,
and then another guy grabs him, and he just runs
through it. It's like an economy of motion for him.
Like it doesn't look like he's juking guys, but guys
aren't touching him. It doesn't look like he should be powerful,
but he runs through tackles and then he doesn't even
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look like he's running that fast and nobody can catch him,
and his contact balance is off the charts. He's an
interesting guy to watch.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
So I've said this for years, and I don't know
Michael if we've ever had this conversation, but if you
put all the great running backs in NFL history in
those ugly Penn State white uniforms without any names or
numbers on him, to me, it's almost like guitar players.
I can hear Hendrix for three chords and be like,
Jimi Hendricks, Oh that's Clapton, Oh that's Paige, you know,
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and I think all the running backs, if you put
them all in those jerseys, you'd be like, Oh, that's
lev Bell, that's Barry Sanders, that's Walter Payton. And Taylor's
isn't as jaw dropping as some of those, and that
people just fall on the floor and miss him. It's
a lot more subtle with strength and speed and balance,
and it's just as impressive. But he has his own style.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
He does have his own style, and luckily that style
didn't get going. So Jalen Ramsey had safety.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
What do you think that was a really cool way
to describe that.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
The guitar players thing.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
I think it's exactly dead on two chords. I mean
I could be. I don't know if I can my
eyes closed. I don't need to, you know, know the
name and numbers, but man, that's Hendrix.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah, so Jayleen Ramsey had safety. Matt Mike brought it
up early.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
What do you think I'm very open to the idea. Yeah,
I mean so, by the way, Duggart, just real quick,
give him credit.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Man, all but one snap on defense, right, all but
one snap?
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean he did not stand out in
a negative way.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
It props to him, but he's an eight year guy, right, Yeah, Yeah,
he had a good career. It looks like they've simplified
it a little bit.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
You know.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
I said all week though, if I'm slaying the.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Box covered the tight end when he goes.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Out, we're good. Like that's his thing, Like he's a
box safety. Yeah, you know he's You don't want him back.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
One of the reasons I want Ramsey free safeties. I
don't know that they have another free safety on the
team right, like you mentioned tomorrow a little while ago.
I mean, they clearly don't want to play Thornhill. I
hope Chuck Clark gets over his illness. I don't want
to see him on the field again anytime soon.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
He's not a free either. Elliott's not a free Nope, Nope.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Thugger's not a free nope.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
I mean he might be Menka by default.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Am I missing anybody?
Speaker 4 (24:32):
No? I mean Killer Brew's gone and he wasn't.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Yeah, and I get that he you know, I think
I had this conversation with you guys already this year,
But when I first heard that they had made the
trade for Jalen Ramsey, I envisioned Porter and Ramsey on
the corner, each playing press man and no more Patrick
Mahomes catching it sideways or catching it and throwing it
sideways for a six yard game because they're giving huge cushions. Okay,
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it didn't work out that way. They used Ramsey in
a slatt. I thought, oh, you know, I didn't think
of that. But boy, he comes off the slot like
a freight train and he affects the running game and
he can brush the passer from there.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
That's really cool too. Well. He can do a lot
of stuff.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
They need him to do free safety stuff. Yeah, yeah,
like it's right, it's not a choice, it's the fault.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Yeah yeah. I mean to me, that's one of the
beauties of acquiring them is he can do all those things,
but he.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Has to do them all in the same game. I'm real.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yeah, I'm getting colder on that by the day.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
I agreed. And the thing that I think he's proven
not to and frankly, the last couple of teams he's
played for, they have not asked him to be an
outside the numbers Dion Reevis type guy. All the other
stuff I think he's great at. Yes, he can do
it here and there, but he's not following Chase around,
you know, for eighty snaps or whatever Faul Garrett Wilson
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last year. Yeah, I just think that's asking him to
be something he used to be. But everything else I
think he's exceptional.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
At It'll be interesting, right because to your point, Mike,
that might be what you have right now.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
And it might be a good answer, right, maybe a
trade for a corner.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
And you know it's good.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Good coaching if.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
You can, you know, assess your team as you go
and think, you know, what, we wanted to do this,
but if we do that, it makes more sense based
on who we are.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
By the way I was looking at the I was
looking at the different you know, plausible trade candidates. You know,
jay and Waddle at the top of the list. We
know what team isn't better with Jayo and Waddle If
he's going to get traded with the corner from the Saints,
real fast guy, I can't remember his name, but he's
he's supposedly on that list, and I was like, Corner,
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i'd be interesting, you know, interesting, and especially a guy
that can really run. But we'll see, I don't know,
I don't know if they'll make any moves, you know,
I mean, we'll know that we'll probably be talking about
that on our respective shows later in the week because
the trade deadline is coming up tomorrow afternoon.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
But you know, bottom line is, I mean, no, it's
an instant reaction, but Ramsey and Dugger and then eventually Elliott, Okay, right,
I mean I think safety solved, right, I mean that
doesn't mean but in corners of nightmare as a result,
then you might have to move again.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
But your point, Jalen has to be the free in
that scenario. Oh yeah, I mean you could put those
guys back on occasion. They've got some flexibility to play there.
Talking about Deshaun and Duggart, but you want them.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
They stay more middle of the field open, not a
true center fielder in this game than they have in
a very long time.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
A lot of Cover two.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
They played a lot of Cover two. They've played a
lot of Cover four as opposed to Cover one, Cover
three with a single.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
High And I did see Dougger drop back a lot
a lot.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
I mean he aligned there, but a couple.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Of times at the snat, you know they're doing the
uh yeah, I'll come up, you go back thing. I
don't know that I saw a ton of it, but Uh,
I don't want dugger being a run in space guy.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
No, I agree, I think even though he's fast.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Yeah, it used to be before he had ankle surgery.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Okay, so slowed down a little bit, you know, I
believe he has so. The other thing that they were
doing against that cover two, which is a typical pattern
again to cover too, were these long out patterns right
where you throw it over the guy in front, the
corner in front and in front of the safety in
the back. They did a lot of that. Now began
to tighten up a little bit. I felt as the
game went on, I felt like those windows got a
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little bit smaller for Daniel Jones.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
But Pierson Pittman were highly effective. Gonna start to finish. Yeah,
a lot of those type of I mean.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Usual and they were those deep outs.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Right Here's Here's is usually a vertical guy, and he's
kind of changed his game and gotten a lot better
at the outs and the outbreaking stuff.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
These guys are both really good receivers. Do those guys
are both really good receivers. Their ability to make contested
catches really stands out.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Ye, Pittmans. I'm a pit I'm a Pittman fan. I
really like Ptman and downs the more I watched them,
when watching all the games leading up, Just that that
guy you can get too quickly, you know, Uh, it's
third and four, he's boo boop, and then he got
him for five or six and it's first down and
he's a he's an interest sting character.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Steelers could have made four or five contested catches early
in that game.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
That might have changed the trajectory.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah, yep, that would have been nice, right, But it
didn't happen. It didn't worry And I'm not even worried
about the yards the offense did. Essentially, Mike, the offense
did what it had to do in this game, right,
And I think you know, the game presents itself right again.
If we knew what the score was going to be,
we would just quit our jobs and move to Vegas.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Right.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
If we knew what the outcome was going to be,
we we could all be rich.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
You don't have to do that anymore.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I don't, I don't, I don't do it anyway.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
You knew the outfit outcome, nobody'd ever watched the game,
but we all we'd all know what was going to happen.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
And so didn't you just hit on the thing that
drives fans crazy because they refused to accept that the
NFL is week to week and so three shuffles every
week based on health and.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
More this year than anywhere I can fact remember, by
the way, Mike, I can't agree like this.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Yes, you always hear if the Steelers drop a game
of the Bengals, Oh that's a Tomlin game. Okay, Well,
I guess Detroit had a Dan Campbell game and green
Bay had a Matt Lafloor game because green Bay lost
at home to Carolina and Detroit lost at home the
Minnesota every Sunday.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
And if people looked at that.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Night yesterday, yeah, yesterday was great, right, it was emotional.
The Super Bowl team was there, they played really well.
It was a great day. If you think that's gonna
happen every game the rest of the way, I got
news for you.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
It's not. It might not happen Sunday in l A.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
But right now they've they've gone through eight games.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
They're five and three.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
The trick is to try to keep navigating this gauntlet
and get yourself into the playoffs so you have a chance.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
And what bothers me is when it doesn't happen, people
get that's not who they are.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
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to see the audio network, And that was a big
play and it felt like they needed it. And you
identify momentum switchers in the game. I think that's that's
number one on my list, although Mike plenty more came
after that.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Yeah, but we without that one. I mean, it was
getting wobbly at that point. We had seen a three
and out after agreeing to take the ball to start
the game. We had seen the failure at the goal
line after the Colts special teams fiasco. We had seen
the Colts score touchdown. We had seen the Colts sucker
the Steelers with a fake punt that they were not
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ready for and should have been. And we had seen
the Colts drive the ball to the Steelers thirty eight
yard line with apparently no intentions of stopping there and TJ.
Watt turned the game on its ear. That was critical.
I mean, they needed stuff after that. But without that,
maybe it's fourteen to nothing, and maybe we're having an
entirely different conversation this morning.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
So happy to see Joey Porters actually get know we're
taking this. It's afternoon and evening, by the way, morning
doesn't figure into this. Just see now I think he's
in morning, doesn't It doesn't doesn't figure it in this regards.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
This morning when I started trusting as it was.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
For me, you know, but not not as early as
you for sure. So Joey Porter Jr. Got credit for this.
I think his sack was at the one where he uh,
that's all right, Yeah, well when they marked it. I
think I said on the air, too bad. He doesn't
get credit for sack, but I guess it was a loss,
so he got credit for a sack, that's right, anybody.
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I thought Derek Harmon was really good again, and Keanu
Benton he is he's he's really having a fine season.
He picks up another sack. I thought he was visible.
I like when those three guys are on the field
at the same time, Hayward, Harmon and Benton. I like
that because I think all three of them are disruptive.
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I thought Cam Heyward backed up his talk to his
team by playing a strong game as well.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
I thought he was tremendous. I thought Cam was slute, phenomenal.
Back to the conversation we're having like a half hour
ago about this team is so good at creating splash.
The way they bat passes down the line of scrimmage,
led by Cam is not an accent. Every year, they're
like one or two in the league. It's going to
throw that out there. And the way they force fumbles,
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it's not just Sackson interceptions. I mean they're the best
in the league in those two categories over and over
and over, and Watt and Cam and these guys are
phenomenal at those specific skills amongst others. What we talk Oh,
one of my postgame notes that for a different podcast
I was doing is just Benton. I wrote down. Benton, Wilson,
and Harmon I think are all in really nice places
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of their development. You know, they're still young players ones
a rookie, and development's not linear. I mean at times
I was looking at Benton, especially earlier in the year, like, man,
that's not a nose. I mean, he's gonna get pushed around.
He can't take on double teams. But the way they're
using them now and a lot of it's as Harmon's
in the mix and a little bit more WYI Black.
I think all three of those guys we already talked
(35:04):
about Wilson are really coming along nicely.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
That's amazing. I can't believe that.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
They never developed talent. Have any ideo time?
Speaker 2 (35:12):
No, you took notes.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
I always hear that this team can't develop talent.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
You're just You're the guy just sees and remembers. I mean,
you know forty times from fifteen years ago. I do
a lot of shows that Matt, particularly around the time
of the draft, and I'll be dragging a Santa's.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Bag and you kill a lot.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Yeah yeah, and he just sits down.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
What the time we start?
Speaker 3 (35:33):
No, now, okay, rips it off.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
But the guy I wanted to talk tarnish my reputation
when I bring my laptop in. But I've got like
fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
I don't worry.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
You got a lot of wiggle room. Harmon had a
two play sequence in the fourth quarter. It was about
eight half minutes left. They were up twenty four to ten,
and Indy threw a kind of a shallow cross to
Tyler Warren and he caught it over the middle and
was running laterally a little bit, and ninety nine caught
him and tackled him for a nine yard gate. Like
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he rushed the pass or followed the ball, ran to
the ball tackled the guy. The next play, high Smith
breaks in, it separates Jones from the ball, and.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Harmon falls on it.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
It was almost like little mini kind of Troy Paula malloesque,
like he can make a play over here and then
the next play, you make a play over here. And
that to me when he's got that kind of motor
going thinger, yeah, more please, Yeah, And I think he's
got that going because when the leaders got it going, yeah,
the rookies follow.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
And that is the steer way, right, That's what the
Steelers do. The young guys start to get to that
point where the old guys can either be pushed out
or retire or what have you, and be the next
group of guys taking over. I'm not saying that's definitively happening,
but underneath this, hey, the Steelers are a really old team.
(36:53):
Is this young group of talent that, hopefully, yeah, will
begin to be the ones that carry the mantleum moving forward.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Right, And frankly, it goes back to Joe Green in
terms of like leaders in the locker room all the
way to Cam and hopefully who's ever's next? I mean,
I don't know who that name is. But I mean,
we're talking about big time Hall of Fame type dudes
and a lot of guys in between. And frankly, it's
been a Steeler trait really since I've covered the team
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for been involved with the team for ten fifteen years.
I don't know how long I've been doing it, but
been around the team, and I think Carl Dunbar deserves
a ton of credit. And I'm embarrassed. I forget the
defensive line coach's name.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Before John Mitchell.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
I think instilled. It's better than anywhere I've ever seen.
And he turned cam Yeah legend and played for Bear Bryant.
That's why I'm embarrassed. But yeah, no, I know. But
those guys run to the ball like a thundering herd,
and I think that started with coach Mitchell.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Yeah, I agree. I think Harmon in particular. You know,
when he first got into the lineup, you get a
little bit of a delayed start, and everybody thought, Okay,
now the run defense is fixed. Well, it turns out
I took a little more than that. But to Matt's point,
the steady progression that he's on is really encouraging.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Well, when you talk about steady progression. It felt like
that's what the Steelers were doing right the first week,
it got run all over. Second week, you lose to Seattle,
and again you keep in mind that you gifted Seattle
a touchdown and that you threw a touchdown. You threw
an interception in the end zone when there's a little
(38:32):
miscommunication about you know, where Austin should be versus Friar
move After the game, Rogers said that would have been
a touchdown, and so you know, okay.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
So this far two point swing in the game.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
So the right, they scored thirty one points, but you
know they really scored twenty four and and do you
maybe hold them down even further anyway? Regardless again, if
this then that blah blah blah, I understand that. But
then you hold the next three opponents to fourteen point
seven points per game for three straight and you're thinking, okay,
we're on the way. Then you go to Cincinnati and
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then you play a really good half of football against
Green Bay and then you don't play a very good
second half. So you know, Matt just said that the
progression of a team and a player is not linear.
We'll see where the Steelers go. But it feels like
there's enough players and enough elements on this team, and
enough indications on this team from what they put on
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tape that they can be hopefully a defense at a sending.
As we get through November and then get into December, football.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Probably gonna need to be based on who they're playing.
I think, you know, starting this Sunday, I mean, they're
gonna have to show up again.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Chargers are still running a ball.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
I don't know who they're running it with, but they're
still running the ball.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
It's been a variety in Hampton can come off ir
this year.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Or this week, and Herbert is having a really nice year.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
They have really good weapons right now too.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Fidell at running back.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Lamar is back.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
I'll quake in fear of that, but he is an
accomplished player and you better be on your defensive piece
and q's if you're going to stop that. Chicago's putting
up points and running trick plays and doing all that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
So yeah, it's uh, you know.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Exhale, appreciate yesterday and then get to work on tomorrow
because it doesn't stop.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
And frankly, the defense was really bad for two weeks, clearly,
but it's never as bad as it really looks, sometimes.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
For forty five minutes of the six for.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
Forty five minutes right, or sometimes it's not as good
as it looks the next day because Tom and I
had a long conversation in the pre pregame show about
I know there's no stat for this, but I bet
over the Cincinnati and Packer game they had to lead
the league in near sacks like a hair away. And Okay,
(40:56):
I know horses and hand grenades, I get it, but
they were awfully close to making a lot of big
plays in those two games and it just didn't quite happen.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Is that what Pro Football Focus calls a pressure.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Or a or a win rate?
Speaker 3 (41:09):
I usually stay away from it.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Is that why that stuff is useless?
Speaker 4 (41:12):
If you notice they're not in the stat pack very.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Often because unless you actually get there and get the
guy on the.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
Ground, I don't know who's sitting there chart and oh
that's a pressure.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Well, look, you want to dictate, and part of that,
and Mike alluded to this earlier, Matt, part of dictating
is running the football. I think it's great that we
saw the twentieth Anniversary team and they dictated that era
of Steelers football dictated, they would get the lead and
they would hammer you with Jerome Bettis and that defense
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is right right, that defense is rested, and out they come.
And now it's you know, it's thirteen to three, and
it feels like a blowout even though it's a ten
point game. Now, what do you have to You have
to throw and here comes that rested defense, and here
comes the sacks and the turnovers and all those things.
Because you used to dictated, it.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Used to amaze me how quickly their opponents would give.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Up on the run.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Right, they'd try it four or five times and just
be like, okayten proceeds and today so but.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
But but to Mike's point, you know, you need to
dictate more offensively. I also think, look, you you played
the game that was in front of you and won it.
The defense was doing their job, The offense was taking advantage.
They were scoring points. They didn't rack up a lot
of yards. They did not run the ball effectively. After
four consecutive games of running the ball, well, they did
not run the ball effectively.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
I think there's definitely some negatives on the offensive.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Yeah, and look, I thought the offense was trending upward
and now maybe this is a one game dip and
you can see them hopefully trend back upward against because again,
because it's not linear, So I would like to see
the offense being able to get back to dictating. I
would like to see the team begin to win the
time of possession. We talk about where you want to
be in December and January. You don't have to do
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the culture good example, they were seven to one and
they're time of possession was under thirty minutes a game.
It was not they didn't have a great time a possession,
but they had a great record at seven to one
coming into this game. So there are different ways to win.
And obviously want to win the game it's in front
of you, but as an overall trend of moving in that,
I would like to see the time of possession moving
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in that direction, not just to help the offense, but
to help the defense.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
Now, I'll be the first to say time of possession
can be a little bit overrated, although I cite it
and I believe in it wholeheartedly. Because sometimes the Colts
would just give the ball to Taylor on the first
play of the drive. It did take it eighty. Well
you're not gonna eat up a lot of colts, right,
you know, go right back. But for the Steelers, the
biggest thing I harped on all last week, forty seven
(43:42):
percent of the points they allowed was in the fourth quarter.
Like if you just break it down by quarter, first quarter,
the first, second, third quarter, they were between eighth and
twelfth in the league in points allowed. Really good, above average, Yeah,
despite just getting gashed by these last couple teams and
then a distant last in fourth quarter scoring on defense,
(44:02):
distant last, And to me, that directly reflects on being
out there too much. I mean, less defense is better defense, right,
and eventually it's going to catch up to you, right,
And can't get out time and possessed every.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Game, and we're at that time of the season. I
always wonder, at what time of the season do I
want to put more and more faith in statistics? You know,
and you can't like, you know, if you're going against
the Chargers, well you have the worst run defense in
the league. Well, we've only played one game against a
team that's going to run the ball a ton at
you as a stewars found out where they got gashed
(44:34):
in Week one and right, sure, these things happen, but
and you know, you can look at for example, against Minnesota,
you're playing a prevent defense and maybe that helps you,
maybe that hurts you in fourth quarter defense. But you
get to that point of the season where it becomes
more than a game by game issue. It's become a
bit of a trend and controlling the crme to yeah.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
You're a distant thirty second, but.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
We're there now, right, Yes, we're there. I think we're
there now, I would agree. Yeah, so statistics mean something, Yes,
they matter.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
They're not you know, binding. I mean you can get
better the good teams, the teams that will contend, we'll
get better. Two areas of improvement I'd like to see
the Steelers. I'm very respectful of your time of possession argument, guys.
But more points, Yeah, I think more points, particularly early
in games, gives you the opportunity to sit on it
(45:26):
a little more in the second half, keeps your defense
off the field, keeps your defense in an advantageous position,
and the other just you know, keep stopping that run
because I don't want to, I don't want to think
it's fixed.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
I still have Chase Brown pts.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Quick snapshot of the Chargers coming up next in a
big game for both these teams. You know San Diego's rally.
Though they great early and then flagged a little bit.
Now they look pretty darn good again, even with all
their injuries. Look, no more talk about Steelers injuries. I
get it, they're hurt Chargers, man. I mean, this is
a team that wants to run the ball there without
(46:01):
two premiere tackles potentially with all haven't heard the.
Speaker 4 (46:04):
I don't think it's gonna be good.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
No, it doesn't look like it's going to be good.
And your two top running backs, right.
Speaker 4 (46:10):
I think Herbert is an utter superstar, and they've there's
a misconception that they just want to run, run, run
and run. And I'm sure Harball would in a perfect world.
But he also took this job because of Herbert.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
He had to run away from his old because he
should cheatter.
Speaker 4 (46:26):
But but the tackle situation, oh, I know.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Okay, the tackle situation there is dire.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
It's dire.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
It's really a problem right now. But they are dangerous
through the air for sure. Hampton could come back.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
I think.
Speaker 4 (46:43):
See it's getting in a pretty decent.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Time, big game, Go get a man in the road
the next one.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
I mean, I'm not trying to belittle the circumstances or
how significant it would be to build on this performance,
but I mean they're five and three. There's they still
have more games to play than they have played. That's right,
And I hate to rely on Mike Tomblins cliched sing song.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
But you know, still writing a story. Stay tuned, see
you next Sunday.
Speaker 4 (47:13):
That's a good chapter though.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
Yeah, well, this chapter of our story is finished. It's concluded.
I want to thank Justin Miller at the controls here
in our iHeart Studio. Want to thank Matt Williamson, Mike Pursued,
of course everyone here for listening. I'm Rob King, Thank
you King, Thank You're welcome. This has been the point
after presented by our neighborhood Fords Tour and by this
year that's Pro Shop. Get it direct from the team
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