March 25, 2025 • 36 mins
Team insiders Ryan Mink and Garrett Downing analyze the latest mock drafts from NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah, ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr., and The Athletic to glean similarities and share their reactions. Plus, in honor of Derik Queen's NCAA Tournament buzzer-beater, they debate the Ravens' greatest walk-off touchdowns.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm Ryan Mink here with Garrett Downing and it is
mock draft season. Garrett, we're about a month away from
the first round of the twenty twenty five draft, so
we're going to take the deep dive into some of
the experts mock drafts that have recently come out and
give you our take on those.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Do we think they're on the right.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Track or the experts obviously and picking this, so, you know,
what do we think of those? Do we think that,
do we agree with them, do we hate them?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
What? Do you you know?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yeah, break it all down, I think, just to kind
of set the table for this conversation. I do think
that around this time of the year you start to
see a little bit of consensus and coming out of
going into the combine, it's all over the place. You
have these mocks that are vastly different. Then the combine
happens and everybody's talking and everyone's in the same places
and they're having these conversations. You also get to see
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everybody competing on a on a level playing field, and
then so there starts to come up with some consent.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
And they get to talk to front offices, Yeah, and
figure out you get a little tidbits of information here
and there, some of the insiders too.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
But the one thing that I will say coming out
of the combine it happens every year, is after that week,
you have fifty guys who everyone says our first round
picks because you have players who blow up the combine
and everybody has these guys who are rising up the board,
and so I think that there's like a little bit
of a boomerang effect that takes place in the mock drafts.
Immediately after the combine, certain guys start flying up. And
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then when you see the mocks that come out at
this time between now and the draft, some guys who
flew up after the combine and then start to work
their way back down, and then you maybe have a
more realistic picture of what draft night is going to
look like. Of course, there's so much uncertainty, but that's
like generally how I see the mock draft process unfolding.
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And it's just fun to see all the conversation. Right now,
I'll start with this.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Daniel Jeremiah of the NFL Network tweeted this last week.
He said, mock drafts are always an exercise in futility,
but this year it's more challenging than ever before. Interesting,
it's going to make the real draft a fun watch
because we don't have any idea how these teams are
going to stack so many similar players. And that's kind
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of what we've heard all along is okay, you know
between after pick ten, there's really not much difference between
pick eleven and pick forty, you know, And so thus
I think that you're going to have a lot of
different big boards. They're just going to be ranked differently.
So it's it is interesting to hear somebody that's has
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dialed in, perhaps as anybody Daniel Jeremiah say, ah, I
have no idea.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Yeah, I think that that is an interesting perspective because
I've seen in recent years, and Eric Takasa has talked
about this at times after drafts that like the board,
our board seem to match the league's board, that like
there seems to be a little bit more consensus around
boars in the league as a whole. And why is that?
Probably a little bit of just how the drafts have
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become bigger and bigger teams are investing more resources into it.
The analytics that go behind it. All those reasons have
led to teams I think having more similar boards and
maybe this year it bucks the trend.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, and you're gonna see We'll start with Daniel Jeremias
mock draft that he is pretty different from some of
the other ones that you're seeing out here. So just
going from the top, you know, no big surprises at
the beginning, and he does have cam Ward as the
consensus topic. And then he has s Tradur Sanders to
the New York Giants at three.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Then you keep scrolling down and I see Jehad Campbell,
the Alabama linebacker who some people have linked to the Ravens,
going at pick number nine overall. So you know, he's
somebody that we've talked about. Is there any way that
the Ravens could take the Alabama inside linebacker best player
available if you were to get to twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
That was I was the final drive yesterday on that topic.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Exactly, and Daniel Jeremiah thinks there's no way that's happening.
He's got him at number nine. And you keep going.
Here's John A. Barron, the cornerback from Texas at eleven, right,
and we're gonna get to this later, but a couple
of prominent punnets have him to the Ravens at twenty seven.
Daniel Jeremiah has him been eleven, right, so he's off
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the board now. Pick number thirteen here is Georgia safety
Malachi Starks, who I've already made it clear.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I played my flag.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
That's where it's at until I remove my flag and
then playing it somewhere else. But Malachi Starks, that's the
guy who right now, if you're asking me, I think
that would be my Ravens mock draft pick. Daniel Jeremiah
has him going to thirteenth overall to the Miami Dolphins,
right so, and he's saying, the further that we get
into the evaluation process, the more teams I find that
are in love with Starks' game. He says he'd be
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a plug and play replacement for Jovon Holland you left
Miami in free agency. So three interesting picks off the
top of guys who we've talked a lot about at
twenty seven potentially, and they're going in the top fifteen.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah. The other thing too, that I'll make a point,
we're doing the long build up before we unveiled Jeremiah's
pick here in this most recent model, Well, you got
a tease, but he actually has the Ravens passing on
Shamar Stewart And going back to the point that I made,
how there's a boomerang effect that happens with these mock drafts. Man,
everybody had him going to the top fifteen after his
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combine performance when he really lit it up and was
one of the most gifted athletic players to step on
the field in Indianapolis, and everybody's saying, man, this guy
is going to be tough to pass up in the
first half of the first round, and he actually has
him going all the way at thirty two going to
the Eagles, which would be classic if the Eagles were
to somehow end up with another great player on their
defensive front. But it's just interesting that he has the
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Ravens passing on him who actually going into the combine,
that's who we had the Ravens taking at twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
So all that said, yeah, that's very interesting.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
That would be very interesting if he were to make
it all the way to the end of the first round,
but he has the Ravens taking a defensive tackle Derek
Harmon out of Oregon. He says, Harmon's ultra distroptive. He
plays with outstanding effort and a motor that would be
appreciated in Baltimore. Last time the Ravens took an Oregon
defensive tackle in the first round, You remember who that was?
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Yeah, loading Na, that one worked out pretty well.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Took him a little earlier than pick twenty seven, but
worked out pretty darn well. And I actually it's funny
that you mentioned that, because I was like, how big
is Derek Carmon versus Helodi?
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Nada? And very similar?
Speaker 2 (06:24):
From a hype perspective, Harmon is considerably lighter than Helodi.
But you know, I would like that pick to be honest.
Everybody's talked all off season about how do you get
the Eagles defense? How do you get so disruptive on front? Well,
big part of that was the defensive tackles that they
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drafted in the first round, right, And you talk about
disruption and pass rushing. We talked to Zach Orr about this,
and I think too often it gets confused or conflated
with edge rushers. The Eagles, sure they had talented edge
rushers were it was the defensive tackles that made the
biggest difference in my eye. Yeah, and so you put
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Derek Harmon in there alongside nom the mattab Gay, with
Travis Jones, Brodercks Washington, some of these guys who you
are loaded loaded up front in the on the defensive line,
and that working in tandem with the edge rushers of
a Da FAOA Kyle van Noy and those guys, they
could make the Ravens defensive front really dangerous.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
I thought it was pretty interesting to hear Zach talk
about that, and we had him on the podcast last
week if you want to go back and listen to
that or watch that, had some great insight just overall
on the defense going into this year. But at that
point he may definitely resonated with me. And in this
right up and talking about Harmon comes from lance'serline. He
says he's unlikely to be a primary sack man, but
he can be part of a swarm unit that batters
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the pocket. That sounds a lot like what Zach was
talking about in the conversation that we had with him.
And Yeah, I do think that Derek Harmon like he
he could fit that that mold of what the Ravens
are looking for. On their defensive front.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I mean, do you think that he can he can
get after the quarterback too. He's a disruptive defensive tackle.
This isn't a block eater. This is a guy that
will shoot some gaffes. I mean last year at Oregon
he had five sacks. He had eleven tackles for loss,
So he was in the backfield a fair amount, yep.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
And so it's it's he's a disruptive player.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
He is disruptive. He's not a guy that you're gonna
get double digit sacks from. No, he had in his
in his career, he had eight and a half sacks
over three seasons between Michigan State and Oregon. So like,
he's not a guy that you're expecting to put up
Nomini Matabique sack production. But that's okay, that's not the
only that's not the only thing that comes down to
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defensive tackle play.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Well, let's keep in mind, No, Mattabik never had more
than five and a half sacks in a season at Texas.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
And m Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Fair, he came out, yes, right, and he's a third
round pick and now look how he developed. I'm not
saying they're the same player. I think they're built a
little bit differently. You know, you have two different bottle styles,
two different plays styles. But can he become that kind
of disruptive force. I wouldn't rule it out.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Uh huh. Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets
that type of sack production specifically. But I think he's
a really good player, and I think the Ravens if
that's the Ravens ended up taking in the first round,
I think that it would be it would be a
good pick. I think that he'd be a guy that
you feel like, Okay, our defense just got better. That's
an area that you're looking to add. You're probably getting
some value there because defensive tackle, especially one that's not
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putting up monster sack numbers, is probably not going as
high as other positions. So like you probably are getting
a player at twenty seven who's I don't know, top
twenty on your board if the Ravens were to take
him at that spot, and so you're probably getting more
value there, which I think is part of what the
Ravens are always looking for in the draft. So for
all those reasons, I think it makes sense. The reason
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that I question it and I wonder is is it
comes down to the positional value thing, and defensive tackle
as a whole is really important. But the Ravens already
have about a BK who they've invested big money in.
They have Travis Jones, so they really like his development.
Would you take a guy in the first round who
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is basically your your third guy in that rotation?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Well, you play a three to four defense primarily put
those three guys out there and on the defensive line
you're rotating.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
So you're rotating so much.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I think Derek Harmon would get a lot of snaps
even as a rookie. And you've lost Michael Pierce, Brent
Urban still a free agent, so you have a need
there and you roll out those three guys a lot
on a consistent basis, and you can wreck shot.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I'm just the Ravens haven't drafted in the first two
rounds a defensive lineman under Eric DaCosta. I believe right
if I'm going in the first they've done it in
the third round a couple of times. About a BK
Travis Jones are two of the guys on that list.
They haven't done it, and so that's what that's what
makes me say I would be surprised just because they
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haven't done it.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
But it's kind of due, right.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
They haven taken They've only taken one defensive tackle on
the first two days in the past four drafts. Travis
shows in the third round, So they're due for an
investment at defensive tackle.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
You're gonna take one, huh, They're going to take somebody.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
They're definitely. It's how high you're saying that, I just
invested high resources.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
That makes me the fact that they haven't invested first
or second round picks in that position.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah, but look at what we were saying at center
before they drafted tyle Leernmbholm. They never spend a center
they you know, that's just not how they will operate. Yeah,
then they use the first round pick on the center.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Yeah. Fair, fair, And so maybe that's the case. I
think that like they want to they they're going to
want to invest there. It is considered to be a
pretty deep defensive line draft, which also mays.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Maybe maybe they wait.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I think also with Harmon, Mattabique was that athletic freak
when he was coming out. Harmon is a big, versatile,
really good player. I don't know that he has a
single athletic trait that makes you a wow. Yeah, he's
not a traitsy kind of guy, and we Eric Decasta
has shown his penchant for he wants high upside. How
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what's the upside of Derek Carmon. I think that the
floor of Derek Carmon is probably very high. I think
he's going to be a very good player. Does he
have the upside that Eric DeCosta is looking for for
a first round pick at defensive tackle?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
I don't know all good questions, but I do think
if that's who the Ravens ended up taking, you come
out of the draft field like the defense just got better.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Oh absolutely, like this the defense.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
This is a player who's going to make a difference
on the defense as a rookie. And so if that's
the way that the Ravens go, I think you feel
pretty good about it.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Just you noted that Daniel Jeremiah had the Ravens passing
on Shamar Stewart and just as a reminder, he was
the player who really did not have much production sack
production at Texas A and M at all over his career,
but tested off the charts of the combine well. Daniel
Jeremiah also had the Ravens passing on Georgia edge Mikel Williams,
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who is a player again, phenomenal athlete, dealt with injuries
hampered his production last year, and Daniel Jeremiah has him
going to twenty eight to the Detroit Lions. So two
of the top edge rushers. Jeremiah has the Ravens passing on.
And by the way, Michael Williams, I mean very high
in other drafts. I mean, here's the Athletics draft eleven overall, right,
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and so for whatever reason, you know, I think Daniel
Jeremiah maybe does not think another draft from Athletic. The
Athletics beat reporters and each for each team, and he
has them at number eight overall to the Carolina Pantas.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
So like some some drafts have him as top ten,
top ten. And that's kind of the point that what
we're talking about with the draft. And he said it,
but he was trying to get out in front of
this draft, this mock. He's saying, Look, everybody's got different
opinions on this thing. So you're gonna see things all
across exactly on the prediction.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
We're gonna think I'm crazy with some of these I'm putting.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
This out in advance. I just want everybody to know this,
and he could very well be right. He usually is
in terms of like the consensus around the league and
the consensus. Maybe that there is no consensus this year.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah, yeah, very interesting. All right, So moving on to
mel kiper Junior's mock draft. Of course, we got to
talk about mel and we won't draw it out as
long as this time. At number twenty seven, he has
the Ravens selecting safety Malachi Starks from Georgia.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Yeah, my guy, which I think that would be a
great pick. I came out way. I came away from
the Combine feeling like if the Ravens were able to
land Malachi Starks out of Georgia or Nick even Worry
Safety out of South Carolina, both really talented, versatile players
who seem like they'd be per fits in this defense,
I think that would be a home run. Either of
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those guys would be home run picks for the Ravens.
It does seem like even Worry is in that category
of player who really helped his stock at the Combine,
and I'm not seeing him around at twenty seven and
many mock drafts anymore. And Starks is kind of a
mixed bag. I don't see him getting past twenty seven
in the mocks that I've been looking at, and a
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lot of them have him going before the Ravens are
on the board. Speak in part because of what jeremiahs
about out in his that the more people you talk to,
the more everybody loves this guy's game. Just a really
sound player. So if he's there, I honestly think if
either of those guys are there, you probably just take
them and you feel really good about where your defense
is on the whole.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, I like Malachi Starks.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I think he's a very good pick, a very good
fit for what the Ravens are looking for in their defense.
He's to me, between he and Nick Emm and worry,
Malachi Starks is the better compliment to Kyle Hamilton. He's
more of a center fielder, true free safety type player.
And look, there's making no bones about it. The Ravens
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want to get more takeaways on defense. You look at
the playoff loss in Buffalo, and you look at playoff
losses in years prior takeaways. They want more takeaways and
Malki Starks has the hands, the ability, the range, to
do that. Plus he's very versatile. He can play and
he can play in the slot. He can play just
about everywhere in your secondary. Yeah, and you know a
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player who had six career interceptions. I think that Malachi
Starks is a very good fit at a position of
need because, as we've talked about so much, the Ravens
are down to veteran safeties that they had midway through
last year. You know, Marcus Williams is being released. They
already parted ways with Jackson, Eddie Jackson, thank you, and
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so they are looking for another safety at least one
to add to this mix.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Yeah, you're right, and I agree with you in terms
of Malachi Starks being the right fit. The thing that's
interesting I kind of felt.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Like you did.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
I mean, this guy's he's more of that center fielder,
more in the Marcus Williams mold of like being that
free safety, ball hawking center fielder, and he has that ability.
But he is like when you talk to him, every
other word out of his mouth about his game is versatility, versatility, versatility.
I can play in the slot, I can play deep,
I can come up and hit, I can defend the run.
I can cover a tight end, I can cover receiver
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like I can do any of those things. And so,
and I don't think he's just blown the smoke just
to say that because he thinks that's what teams want
to hear. I think that he really believes and has
done it.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Like he's not all over in Georgia's defense, he's all
over the place.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
He finished more as in that center fielder role he.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Did, but he moved all over the place during his
college career. And so I think that the Ravens could
take him and they could put him back and just
say cover the back end of the field well, or
they could just continue to be versatile with him.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
And definitely and Ard Areas, Yeah, definitely, they're still going
to move their pieces around.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
But I think that he.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Generally speaking, would play more of that deeper safety role.
That's what he projects to I think more.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
But he can also, yeah, he can.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Versatility is a word that every team, some more than
others value. The Ravens are one of those teams that
value that a lot.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Yep, So two max two defensive players, what's mock number
three are sticking on the defensive side of the ball here, We're.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Gonna stick on the defensive side of the ball, and
this one comes from the athletics Dane Breuler, another Trust's source,
and he has the Ravens taking cornerback John A. Barn
out of Texas, and this actually matches their beat writer's
mock draft pick in which each reporter covering the team
makes their selection, and Jeff's the reback of the athletic
friend of lounge. He also took John Ay Barron out
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of Texas, and you talk about another versatile defensive back.
Baron is to a lot of draft knicks. They project
him best as a slot corner and could become a
premier slot corner, which hey, that fits the Ravens, you
know they have They can certainly play Marlon humph Humphrey
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outside as well as of course Nate Wiggins is a
boundary corner, so he would fit. Really you want versatility,
and I think John ay and can play outside as well.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
He had he had eight interceptions over the course of
the last three seasons, So you get a ball hawk
here in terms of that like prototypical size, like you're
talking about he's five eleven one nine five, so he
doesn't have like the outside but he's not He's not
like a super small guy. You know, he's he doesn't
have like the prototype size that you love in an
outside corner, but he can hold his own. I don't
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think he's like super undersized, So I don't want to
overstate the size thing on him.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah, five eleven. It's not a deal breaker for a
corner at all.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Oh, I don't think so at all. So five years
in college, I think that, like there's a lot of
there's a lot of talk here about the Ravens drafting
in this space outside corner, inside corner, safety, someone in
the secondary, and like, if it's Barren, I think that
would be a fine pick. You get a guy who
can be a really productive player. You also mentioned Ballhawk again.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Five interceptions, five interceptions last year, eight over the course
of the last three so he can get He has
good instincts once the ball is in the air, he
kind of attacks it like a wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
So I think for all those reasons, he could be
a really good fit. And like if you when you're
drafting where the Ravens typically draft, and you're hitting a
home run, a lot of times it's because a player
falls for some reason or another. You don't teams don't
know exactly how he projects. Is he an inside corner,
is he an outside corner? What's his natural position? All
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those things often end or it's not a position that's
a premier position, like a traditional outside corner or an
edge rusher or a receiver. So for those reasons you
can you're looking for value. And so if if Baron
falls down the board because teams aren't sure if he's
an inside corner or an outside corner, and he may
not have the prototypical size of what you want, but
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he's super productive as a ballhawk and has really good
cover skills.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Very very good testing numbers at the company. He ran
a four to three nine.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
It's like super fast, great tape is good. Great when
their productive in college. Okay, that's great, then sign me up.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
He's drawing a lot of comparisons to Trent McDuffie and
who has been a really good first round pick by
the Kansas City Chiefs. Versatile slot corner, can cover tight ends.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
John A. Barron could be that type of player in Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Another one who kind of it's not the exact same
like just from a standpoint of what's his position. Cooper
Degen last year from Iowa, who of course ended up
going to the Eagles, got an interception in the Super Bowl.
Like there's there's a little more safety. The question there
was safety corner, what's his position there? But like just
from a how does he project conversation, I think that
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there's like similarities when you have that talk about guys
like McDuffie or dejeane and Baron as well.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yeah, I agree, I think an interesting team to watch
when we're having all these conversations about who the Ravens
could pick and somebody in the secretary and a safety.
You know, we were talking about male Kai Starks the Philadelphia Eagles.
You always have to keep an eye on the Eagles
because they are looking for safety. They just traded their
top safety and if there's somebody that could come up
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and come get a Malachi Starks has have the Eagles
drafted anybody from Georgia on the Georgia defense recently, Yeah,
that'd be one I watch well.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
They also don't forget a few years ago in the
Kyle Hamilton Draft, the Eagles traded in front of the Ravens.
They ended up taking from Georgia Jordan Davis, who a
lot of people had mocked to the Ravens a big
defensive tackle. Uh, they ended up taking him right before
the Ravens and the Ravens got Hamilton. Of course that
worked out, really worked out for both sides, to be honest.
But so they there's been a lot on draft weekend.
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There's a lot of connections between the Ravens and the
Eagles exactly what marks drafts draft and so there's a
lot of connections there between those two teams, and that
wouldn surprise me. The other team actually that I think
is one to watch when it comes to this corner conversation,
it is Seattle. They're drafting ahead of the Ravens, pretty
well ahead of the Ravens that they're at eighteen. And
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so some of these guys like Will Howard out of
Michigan and he's probably long gone most likely. But like,
if there's somebody who starts sliding down the board who
you're hoping like, okay, could they could they fall? Seattle's
a team there that could kind of be a could
be that the end the end of the fall for
so any of these guys. So you're hoping end up
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making it to the Ravens in the secondary.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Two players I look at for Seattle, Jehad Campbell, the linebacker.
I think Mike McDonald likes a versatile He can play
on the edge, he play inside, he can do a
lot of things, or the moving piece like him. You're
talking about versatile defenders. That's what Mike McDonald's wants in
his defense. I look at Jehad Campbell and Nick em
and worry.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Yeah, so those are like that Seattle's.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I mean, Amory is the closest thing you're gonna get
to Kyle Hamilton in this year's draft certainly. Yeah, big bodied,
big dude who can play down in the box, you
can go deep.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Yeah, I think that like that's a team that I'm
definitely gonna be watching closely because of Mike in the
way that he wants to build his defense. So that
will be a team to watch on draft night. So
let's take a quick break. When we come back, we're
going to talk about another mock draft and the possibility
of the Ravens pulling off surprise in the first round.
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King sports book. The Crown is yours. So one other
mock draft that I want to mention, and this is
going to lead off to an interesting conversation, but is
the is Todd McShay. In his most recent mock draft.
Tod mcshaye, a long time worked at ESPN, now works
at The Ringer. He has the Ravens taking Tterea McMillan
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wide receiver out of Arizona at twenty seven overall. He's
six four two and twenty pounds, so he's the big
bodied wide receiver that I know Ravens fans have talked
about for a while. The range is on him from
a draft standpoint are all over the place. In McShay
obviously has him going at the end of the first round.
I've seen others where he's up close to the top ten.
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So what do you think of the possibility of the
Ravens going with McMillan in the first round.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I don't see it.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Obviously, there's not an immediate need, especially after draft or
signing DeAndre Hopkins.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
A comparable player.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
You're talking about a big bodied fifty to fifty guy
who's going to go up and make this catch those catches.
That's obviously DeAndre Hopkins. Now, of course, DeAndre Hopkins is
on a one year deal, so this is really a
best player available future outlook. But you just re sign
Rashad Bateman to a contract extension last offseason. You have
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Zay Flowers, who's entering his third season and hopefully we'll
be around here for a long time. That would be
an embarrassment of Riches a wide receiver. Yeah, and you
can never put it past the Ravens to just go
with best player available.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
But I don't see that one.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Yeah, as much as the Ravens have invested in wide
receiver under Aericon Costa and they've taken multiple swings at
that position, I mean, this could be like taking a
swing with a three to zero count, which like sometimes
works and you knock it out of the park. But
it just seems like they have the players at that spot.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
And so twenty twenty five and beyond, it's not just
sometimes it's all right, let's look at twenty twenty six,
what's this roster gonna look like?
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Then? Okay, you still have save Flowers and Shaw Bateman.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yeah, yeah, that would that would surprise me. And so
I'm not like completely rolling out.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I don't think he's gonna make it that far.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah, I mean everybody's sliding him down the board because
he ran a four four eight forty yard dashes pro day.
It's not it's not Garrett Downing slow. We're not in
the four nines, right, you know, I mean, okay, so
it would have been the twenty fifth fastest time of
the combine, all right for like being projected as a
top wide receiver. Not exactly what you want to see,
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but we're splitting hairs here.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Four to eight Yeah, not that bad.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
And he's a big receiver, so like his game is
not just speed, he's also to go up and win
those jump balls.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
I have a hard time seeing him sliding that far
the top wide receiver in the draft till twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Yeah, that would be surprising, very surprising. So that one
and just in general, him him removed from the conversation.
You and I both are of the belief that taking
a first round receiver would that would that would be
the jaw dropping moment for you on draft night.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Oh? Absolutely, yeah, Joel would hit the floor.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, I mean, I think that the Ravens are going
to go defense in the first round.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
That that's my prediction.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Yeah, I think that that's how I feel as well. Uh.
The other one that we haven't hit at all in
these mocks is offensive line and whether they could end
up taking an offensive lineman. Now, of course they resigned
Ronnie Stanley. If you're really good about Roger Rosegarden, it
would be a guard, it would be a guard. Taylor
book Booker out of Alabama, And when I did Final
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Drive yesterday, I talked about Tyler Booker and jahad Ward
both as like the guy who ends up following that
the Ravens end up getting, who's a plug and play starter,
really good player, who you're like, man, how did he
fall well? Just because John Campbell plays off ball linebacker
not as valued, Tyler Booker plays guard, not as valued,
primarily left guard. But like, he's a dude who's just
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a dominant run blocker who could fit right in perfectly
on this offensive line.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I just saw a mock draft from Pro Football Focus
in which they predicted Tyler Booker as well, and so
I wouldn't rule it out. I think the Ravens really
like Andrew Vorhees. I think he has great potential. He
won the starting job out of training camp last year.
But I'm also not going to sit here and I
don't think Andrew Vorhees even he would say he's in
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a position where, oh yeah, my starting job is locked up,
I don't have to worry about it going into the summer.
Like he very much needs to win that job that
he is not enough, you know, Zave Flowers position here
where you can pencil put him in the ink as
the starter. So could the Ravens say, hey, we're going
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to take a big swing and you know what else,
the Eagles had a really good group of offensive line.
They could certainly go get Tyler Booker and say we're
going to have a big, physical, nasty O line and
we're gonna get after you.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Yeah, well, I don't I think that approach could certainly
work for the same reason that we talked about on
the defensive side of the ball. How the Ravens haven't
like they took Tyler Linnerbaum in the first round. When's
the last time they took a guard?
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Was it?
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Ben Grubbs exactly see this.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
I'm going to counter my earlier argument, but Their track
record at guard has been middle rounds draft and developed.
Keep that pipeline well stocked and keep developing these guys.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
I have a hard doubt well and it's worked out well.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
I have a hard time seeing them investing a first
round pick at guard.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Yeah, that's what makes it. I'm with you. I would
be surprising to see them do that. They also already
have like some significant investment along the offensive line. Lennardbaum
was the first round pick. They're also gonna have to
pay him. They just paid Rodnie Stanley. They used a
second round pick on Roger Rose Garden at right guard.
Of course was a third round pick, and so he
fits that category of what we're talking about, like the
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mid round draft and develop.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
He was a tackle, really he was.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Yeah, yeah, but but he was a developmental mid round
pick who now of course ends up being a starting guard.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Ben Bradison was a fourth round pick be turned in
to a starter.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Ben Betterson, Ben Powers, Ben Cleveland was a third round pick.
There is there a Ben in this draft. Look for
a big then the third round, third fourth round Ben
at guard? Who can we pick pencil in?
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, to your earlier point, BEng Groves, yes, was the
last one. It's gonna have to be together my Ravens
seven round. I'm telling you, I'm looking for a bed.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
We both ought we're gonna both end up taking a
band in the mid as a guard this year. So yeah,
so that one, that one would surprise me as well.
I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, all right, now the Turfs, I don't know if
you know this.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Now you're wearing your Maryland show.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
I'm wearing my Maryland polo here.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
And I thought of a fun This got me thinking
they're big win Derrek Queen the buzzer beater to make
it to the six sweet sixteen. It got me thinking
about Ravens walkoffs, and so we put together a little
list of walk off touchdowns the Ravens have had in
franchise history. Okay, one was the Tylan Wallace hunt return
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against the Rams. Okay, another was Marquise Brown with the
touchdown against the Colts, the huge comeback win. Mark Andrews
scored multiple times in that comeback as well the twenty
twenty one comeback Mark East Brown five yards out. And
then there was also Josh Wilson against the Texans, the
pick six against Matt Schab had a pension for throwing
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a few of those in twenty ten pick six against
the Texans to beat them.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
I remember that one. That was pretty cool. And then
the other one was.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
The Will the Thrill Hill, Yeah, the kick six in Cleveland.
So those are the four walk off touchdowns the Ravens
have scored in franchise history. Okay, there's a bunch of also,
like interceptions CJ. Mosley against brown stuff like that, right,
but these are touchdowns, yeah, Okay, which how do you
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rank those?
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Well?
Speaker 3 (32:37):
My number one would be Tyland Wallace and that really yeah,
and I was torn. The ones that jumped out to
me were the tailand Wallace touchdown against against the Rams,
and then the.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Will Hill kick six, kick six.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
That's what I loved about the the kick six play
in Cleveland was like the Browns were setting up to
win that gamebevable, and so you're thinking like, man, this
is a tough, tough l here. Uh, just disappointing to
lose this game. And so the range of emotions there
where you're basically thinking like, oh, this is going to
be a tough flight home to just jubilation. That was
that was awesome. But Tylan Wallace that one against the
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Rams where I gave it an edge, like it was
awesome that it happened down the Ravens sideline at home,
like there was something epic about that play. And then
it was like having it happen at Mt. Bak Stadium
takes it to another level, Like the excitement of it
is so much greater than watching the disappointment, like I
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was in I was in the stadium for both and
in Cleveland, it was like silent except for the raven.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Sideline, which is that's kind of fun too.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
It's kind of fun. It is fun. It was fun.
I was having a great time when that happened, but
having it happened in Baltimore just took it to another level.
So it so that's and then and then for me,
like the Marquise Brown touchdown that Colts game, like that
game was so back, well it was.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
It was a nineteen point comeback in the second half.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
The Colts were up big and also at home, and
then the Ravens came roaring back. But that was like
a long comeback. They had to race this long comeback
where you had lots of big moments within that where
like the Tiland wallh you think about that game. You
think about those jerseys and just like that tailand palm return,
that's just.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
What stand that was. That was a comeback too. It
is Lamar's touchdown to Za Flowers. It was very late
in that game to even get it to overtime, so
that was I agree.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
I'll put Thailand number one. Okay, I'm gonna put the
kick six at number two.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
We're aligned, We're going the same I think we're gonna
go with the same way.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
I will say though, the kick six was awesome. Also,
Brent Herban, I think it was his first game coming back.
He had been injured. Yeh, all you know when he
first came into the league and had just bad luck, and.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Then he got the block. He blocked the field.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Goal, and Will Hill of all people scooping that thing
up and just you're like, he's is he actually going
to make it all the way?
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Yeah? It was just that one was.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Incredible, I'll tell you. But I you make a good
point with it being at M and T Bank. You
talk about the Colts game and then the Tyler Wallace
walk off, two of the best home games in Raven's history. Yeah,
those were both game regular season especially. Yeah, and then
you talk about the snow game against the Vikings.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
But epic games.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Yeah, those were epic, no doubt. The funny, real quick,
funny story about Brent Urban and that game he was
coming back and I think it was this tricep or
bicep that he'd hurt. So you had the big brace
on his arm and.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
The bionic Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
The question to him, like after the game was like,
did you hit with your arm that has basically kept
you sideline for the last year.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
He is like, yeah, it was that arm. It was
that arm.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
And then you look at the video and it wasn't
like he blacked out, like he had no idea what
was happening. He was kind of like we were talking about.
Was zach Orr when he tried to celebrate with our
Darius Washington and ended up on the turf. It was
the same thing with Urban where you asked him like
what are hands? I don't even know, man.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Don't let the facts get in the way of a
good story.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Exactly. Was like the magical repaired arm. That was the
That's why they taught it Owen journals.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Hey, you have you cannot dog on the terms today,
my friend.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Okay, I am just living it up Derek Queen talking
about epic moments.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Well done.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Shout out to Derek Queen for the epic he had
the epic game winning shot and then the epic quote
after the game when they asked him about, uh, you know,
just where you get your confidence from? He said, I
think I'm from Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
So I'm from Baltimore. That's why.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Yeah, that was a pretty great quote, great moment. So
congrats at the terps.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yep got it, got them going all the way.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Yeah, there you go. I hope you're right.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Got to beat the Gators next. Anyway, thank you for listening.
As always, you can email us at the Lounge at
Ravens dot NFL dot
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Net and we will be back with you later this week.
Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm Ryan Mink here with Garrett Downing and it is
mock draft season. Garrett, we're about a month away from
the first round of the twenty twenty five draft, so
we're going to take the deep dive into some of
the experts mock drafts that have recently come out and
give you our take on those.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Do we think they're on the right.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Track or the experts obviously and picking this, so, you know,
what do we think of those? Do we think that,
do we agree with them, do we hate them?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
What? Do you you know?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yeah, break it all down, I think, just to kind
of set the table for this conversation. I do think
that around this time of the year you start to
see a little bit of consensus and coming out of
going into the combine, it's all over the place. You
have these mocks that are vastly different. Then the combine
happens and everybody's talking and everyone's in the same places
and they're having these conversations. You also get to see
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everybody competing on a on a level playing field, and
then so there starts to come up with some consent.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
And they get to talk to front offices, Yeah, and
figure out you get a little tidbits of information here
and there, some of the insiders too.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
But the one thing that I will say coming out
of the combine it happens every year, is after that week,
you have fifty guys who everyone says our first round
picks because you have players who blow up the combine
and everybody has these guys who are rising up the board,
and so I think that there's like a little bit
of a boomerang effect that takes place in the mock drafts.
Immediately after the combine, certain guys start flying up. And
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then when you see the mocks that come out at
this time between now and the draft, some guys who
flew up after the combine and then start to work
their way back down, and then you maybe have a
more realistic picture of what draft night is going to
look like. Of course, there's so much uncertainty, but that's
like generally how I see the mock draft process unfolding.
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And it's just fun to see all the conversation. Right now,
I'll start with this.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Daniel Jeremiah of the NFL Network tweeted this last week.
He said, mock drafts are always an exercise in futility,
but this year it's more challenging than ever before. Interesting,
it's going to make the real draft a fun watch
because we don't have any idea how these teams are
going to stack so many similar players. And that's kind
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of what we've heard all along is okay, you know
between after pick ten, there's really not much difference between
pick eleven and pick forty, you know, And so thus
I think that you're going to have a lot of
different big boards. They're just going to be ranked differently.
So it's it is interesting to hear somebody that's has
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dialed in, perhaps as anybody Daniel Jeremiah say, ah, I
have no idea.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Yeah, I think that that is an interesting perspective because
I've seen in recent years, and Eric Takasa has talked
about this at times after drafts that like the board,
our board seem to match the league's board, that like
there seems to be a little bit more consensus around
boars in the league as a whole. And why is that?
Probably a little bit of just how the drafts have
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become bigger and bigger teams are investing more resources into it.
The analytics that go behind it. All those reasons have
led to teams I think having more similar boards and
maybe this year it bucks the trend.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, and you're gonna see We'll start with Daniel Jeremias
mock draft that he is pretty different from some of
the other ones that you're seeing out here. So just
going from the top, you know, no big surprises at
the beginning, and he does have cam Ward as the
consensus topic. And then he has s Tradur Sanders to
the New York Giants at three.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Then you keep scrolling down and I see Jehad Campbell,
the Alabama linebacker who some people have linked to the Ravens,
going at pick number nine overall. So you know, he's
somebody that we've talked about. Is there any way that
the Ravens could take the Alabama inside linebacker best player
available if you were to get to twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
That was I was the final drive yesterday on that topic.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Exactly, and Daniel Jeremiah thinks there's no way that's happening.
He's got him at number nine. And you keep going.
Here's John A. Barron, the cornerback from Texas at eleven, right,
and we're gonna get to this later, but a couple
of prominent punnets have him to the Ravens at twenty seven.
Daniel Jeremiah has him been eleven, right, so he's off
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the board now. Pick number thirteen here is Georgia safety
Malachi Starks, who I've already made it clear.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I played my flag.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
That's where it's at until I remove my flag and
then playing it somewhere else. But Malachi Starks, that's the
guy who right now, if you're asking me, I think
that would be my Ravens mock draft pick. Daniel Jeremiah
has him going to thirteenth overall to the Miami Dolphins,
right so, and he's saying, the further that we get
into the evaluation process, the more teams I find that
are in love with Starks' game. He says he'd be
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a plug and play replacement for Jovon Holland you left
Miami in free agency. So three interesting picks off the
top of guys who we've talked a lot about at
twenty seven potentially, and they're going in the top fifteen.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah. The other thing too, that I'll make a point,
we're doing the long build up before we unveiled Jeremiah's
pick here in this most recent model, Well, you got
a tease, but he actually has the Ravens passing on
Shamar Stewart And going back to the point that I made,
how there's a boomerang effect that happens with these mock drafts. Man,
everybody had him going to the top fifteen after his
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combine performance when he really lit it up and was
one of the most gifted athletic players to step on
the field in Indianapolis, and everybody's saying, man, this guy
is going to be tough to pass up in the
first half of the first round, and he actually has
him going all the way at thirty two going to
the Eagles, which would be classic if the Eagles were
to somehow end up with another great player on their
defensive front. But it's just interesting that he has the
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Ravens passing on him who actually going into the combine,
that's who we had the Ravens taking at twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
So all that said, yeah, that's very interesting.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
That would be very interesting if he were to make
it all the way to the end of the first round,
but he has the Ravens taking a defensive tackle Derek
Harmon out of Oregon. He says, Harmon's ultra distroptive. He
plays with outstanding effort and a motor that would be
appreciated in Baltimore. Last time the Ravens took an Oregon
defensive tackle in the first round, You remember who that was?
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Yeah, loading Na, that one worked out pretty well.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Took him a little earlier than pick twenty seven, but
worked out pretty darn well. And I actually it's funny
that you mentioned that, because I was like, how big
is Derek Carmon versus Helodi?
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Nada? And very similar?
Speaker 2 (06:24):
From a hype perspective, Harmon is considerably lighter than Helodi.
But you know, I would like that pick to be honest.
Everybody's talked all off season about how do you get
the Eagles defense? How do you get so disruptive on front? Well,
big part of that was the defensive tackles that they
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drafted in the first round, right, And you talk about
disruption and pass rushing. We talked to Zach Orr about this,
and I think too often it gets confused or conflated
with edge rushers. The Eagles, sure they had talented edge
rushers were it was the defensive tackles that made the
biggest difference in my eye. Yeah, and so you put
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Derek Harmon in there alongside nom the mattab Gay, with
Travis Jones, Brodercks Washington, some of these guys who you
are loaded loaded up front in the on the defensive line,
and that working in tandem with the edge rushers of
a Da FAOA Kyle van Noy and those guys, they
could make the Ravens defensive front really dangerous.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
I thought it was pretty interesting to hear Zach talk
about that, and we had him on the podcast last
week if you want to go back and listen to
that or watch that, had some great insight just overall
on the defense going into this year. But at that
point he may definitely resonated with me. And in this
right up and talking about Harmon comes from lance'serline. He
says he's unlikely to be a primary sack man, but
he can be part of a swarm unit that batters
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the pocket. That sounds a lot like what Zach was
talking about in the conversation that we had with him.
And Yeah, I do think that Derek Harmon like he
he could fit that that mold of what the Ravens
are looking for. On their defensive front.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I mean, do you think that he can he can
get after the quarterback too. He's a disruptive defensive tackle.
This isn't a block eater. This is a guy that
will shoot some gaffes. I mean last year at Oregon
he had five sacks. He had eleven tackles for loss,
So he was in the backfield a fair amount, yep.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
And so it's it's he's a disruptive player.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
He is disruptive. He's not a guy that you're gonna
get double digit sacks from. No, he had in his
in his career, he had eight and a half sacks
over three seasons between Michigan State and Oregon. So like,
he's not a guy that you're expecting to put up
Nomini Matabique sack production. But that's okay, that's not the
only that's not the only thing that comes down to
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defensive tackle play.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Well, let's keep in mind, No, Mattabik never had more
than five and a half sacks in a season at Texas.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
And m Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Fair, he came out, yes, right, and he's a third
round pick and now look how he developed. I'm not
saying they're the same player. I think they're built a
little bit differently. You know, you have two different bottle styles,
two different plays styles. But can he become that kind
of disruptive force. I wouldn't rule it out.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Uh huh. Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets
that type of sack production specifically. But I think he's
a really good player, and I think the Ravens if
that's the Ravens ended up taking in the first round,
I think that it would be it would be a
good pick. I think that he'd be a guy that
you feel like, Okay, our defense just got better. That's
an area that you're looking to add. You're probably getting
some value there because defensive tackle, especially one that's not
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putting up monster sack numbers, is probably not going as
high as other positions. So like you probably are getting
a player at twenty seven who's I don't know, top
twenty on your board if the Ravens were to take
him at that spot, and so you're probably getting more
value there, which I think is part of what the
Ravens are always looking for in the draft. So for
all those reasons, I think it makes sense. The reason
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that I question it and I wonder is is it
comes down to the positional value thing, and defensive tackle
as a whole is really important. But the Ravens already
have about a BK who they've invested big money in.
They have Travis Jones, so they really like his development.
Would you take a guy in the first round who
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is basically your your third guy in that rotation?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Well, you play a three to four defense primarily put
those three guys out there and on the defensive line
you're rotating.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
So you're rotating so much.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I think Derek Harmon would get a lot of snaps
even as a rookie. And you've lost Michael Pierce, Brent
Urban still a free agent, so you have a need
there and you roll out those three guys a lot
on a consistent basis, and you can wreck shot.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I'm just the Ravens haven't drafted in the first two
rounds a defensive lineman under Eric DaCosta. I believe right
if I'm going in the first they've done it in
the third round a couple of times. About a BK
Travis Jones are two of the guys on that list.
They haven't done it, and so that's what that's what
makes me say I would be surprised just because they
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haven't done it.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
But it's kind of due, right.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
They haven taken They've only taken one defensive tackle on
the first two days in the past four drafts. Travis
shows in the third round, So they're due for an
investment at defensive tackle.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
You're gonna take one, huh, They're going to take somebody.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
They're definitely. It's how high you're saying that, I just
invested high resources.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
That makes me the fact that they haven't invested first
or second round picks in that position.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah, but look at what we were saying at center
before they drafted tyle Leernmbholm. They never spend a center
they you know, that's just not how they will operate. Yeah,
then they use the first round pick on the center.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Yeah. Fair, fair, And so maybe that's the case. I
think that like they want to they they're going to
want to invest there. It is considered to be a
pretty deep defensive line draft, which also mays.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Maybe maybe they wait.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I think also with Harmon, Mattabique was that athletic freak
when he was coming out. Harmon is a big, versatile,
really good player. I don't know that he has a
single athletic trait that makes you a wow. Yeah, he's
not a traitsy kind of guy, and we Eric Decasta
has shown his penchant for he wants high upside. How
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what's the upside of Derek Carmon. I think that the
floor of Derek Carmon is probably very high. I think
he's going to be a very good player. Does he
have the upside that Eric DeCosta is looking for for
a first round pick at defensive tackle?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
I don't know all good questions, but I do think
if that's who the Ravens ended up taking, you come
out of the draft field like the defense just got better.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Oh absolutely, like this the defense.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
This is a player who's going to make a difference
on the defense as a rookie. And so if that's
the way that the Ravens go, I think you feel
pretty good about it.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Just you noted that Daniel Jeremiah had the Ravens passing
on Shamar Stewart and just as a reminder, he was
the player who really did not have much production sack
production at Texas A and M at all over his career,
but tested off the charts of the combine well. Daniel
Jeremiah also had the Ravens passing on Georgia edge Mikel Williams,
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who is a player again, phenomenal athlete, dealt with injuries
hampered his production last year, and Daniel Jeremiah has him
going to twenty eight to the Detroit Lions. So two
of the top edge rushers. Jeremiah has the Ravens passing on.
And by the way, Michael Williams, I mean very high
in other drafts. I mean, here's the Athletics draft eleven overall, right,
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and so for whatever reason, you know, I think Daniel
Jeremiah maybe does not think another draft from Athletic. The
Athletics beat reporters and each for each team, and he
has them at number eight overall to the Carolina Pantas.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
So like some some drafts have him as top ten,
top ten. And that's kind of the point that what
we're talking about with the draft. And he said it,
but he was trying to get out in front of
this draft, this mock. He's saying, Look, everybody's got different
opinions on this thing. So you're gonna see things all
across exactly on the prediction.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
We're gonna think I'm crazy with some of these I'm putting.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
This out in advance. I just want everybody to know this,
and he could very well be right. He usually is
in terms of like the consensus around the league and
the consensus. Maybe that there is no consensus this year.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah, yeah, very interesting. All right, So moving on to
mel kiper Junior's mock draft. Of course, we got to
talk about mel and we won't draw it out as
long as this time. At number twenty seven, he has
the Ravens selecting safety Malachi Starks from Georgia.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Yeah, my guy, which I think that would be a
great pick. I came out way. I came away from
the Combine feeling like if the Ravens were able to
land Malachi Starks out of Georgia or Nick even Worry
Safety out of South Carolina, both really talented, versatile players
who seem like they'd be per fits in this defense,
I think that would be a home run. Either of
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those guys would be home run picks for the Ravens.
It does seem like even Worry is in that category
of player who really helped his stock at the Combine,
and I'm not seeing him around at twenty seven and
many mock drafts anymore. And Starks is kind of a
mixed bag. I don't see him getting past twenty seven
in the mocks that I've been looking at, and a
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lot of them have him going before the Ravens are
on the board. Speak in part because of what jeremiahs
about out in his that the more people you talk to,
the more everybody loves this guy's game. Just a really
sound player. So if he's there, I honestly think if
either of those guys are there, you probably just take
them and you feel really good about where your defense
is on the whole.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, I like Malachi Starks.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I think he's a very good pick, a very good
fit for what the Ravens are looking for in their defense.
He's to me, between he and Nick Emm and worry,
Malachi Starks is the better compliment to Kyle Hamilton. He's
more of a center fielder, true free safety type player.
And look, there's making no bones about it. The Ravens
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want to get more takeaways on defense. You look at
the playoff loss in Buffalo, and you look at playoff
losses in years prior takeaways. They want more takeaways and
Malki Starks has the hands, the ability, the range, to
do that. Plus he's very versatile. He can play and
he can play in the slot. He can play just
about everywhere in your secondary. Yeah, and you know a
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player who had six career interceptions. I think that Malachi
Starks is a very good fit at a position of
need because, as we've talked about so much, the Ravens
are down to veteran safeties that they had midway through
last year. You know, Marcus Williams is being released. They
already parted ways with Jackson, Eddie Jackson, thank you, and
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so they are looking for another safety at least one
to add to this mix.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Yeah, you're right, and I agree with you in terms
of Malachi Starks being the right fit. The thing that's
interesting I kind of felt.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Like you did.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
I mean, this guy's he's more of that center fielder,
more in the Marcus Williams mold of like being that
free safety, ball hawking center fielder, and he has that ability.
But he is like when you talk to him, every
other word out of his mouth about his game is versatility, versatility, versatility.
I can play in the slot, I can play deep,
I can come up and hit, I can defend the run.
I can cover a tight end, I can cover receiver
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like I can do any of those things. And so,
and I don't think he's just blown the smoke just
to say that because he thinks that's what teams want
to hear. I think that he really believes and has
done it.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Like he's not all over in Georgia's defense, he's all
over the place.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
He finished more as in that center fielder role he.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Did, but he moved all over the place during his
college career. And so I think that the Ravens could
take him and they could put him back and just
say cover the back end of the field well, or
they could just continue to be versatile with him.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
And definitely and Ard Areas, Yeah, definitely, they're still going
to move their pieces around.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
But I think that he.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Generally speaking, would play more of that deeper safety role.
That's what he projects to I think more.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
But he can also, yeah, he can.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Versatility is a word that every team, some more than
others value. The Ravens are one of those teams that
value that a lot.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Yep, So two max two defensive players, what's mock number
three are sticking on the defensive side of the ball here, We're.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Gonna stick on the defensive side of the ball, and
this one comes from the athletics Dane Breuler, another Trust's source,
and he has the Ravens taking cornerback John A. Barn
out of Texas, and this actually matches their beat writer's
mock draft pick in which each reporter covering the team
makes their selection, and Jeff's the reback of the athletic
friend of lounge. He also took John Ay Barron out
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of Texas, and you talk about another versatile defensive back.
Baron is to a lot of draft knicks. They project
him best as a slot corner and could become a
premier slot corner, which hey, that fits the Ravens, you
know they have They can certainly play Marlon humph Humphrey
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outside as well as of course Nate Wiggins is a
boundary corner, so he would fit. Really you want versatility,
and I think John ay and can play outside as well.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
He had he had eight interceptions over the course of
the last three seasons, So you get a ball hawk
here in terms of that like prototypical size, like you're
talking about he's five eleven one nine five, so he
doesn't have like the outside but he's not He's not
like a super small guy. You know, he's he doesn't
have like the prototype size that you love in an
outside corner, but he can hold his own. I don't
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think he's like super undersized, So I don't want to
overstate the size thing on him.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah, five eleven. It's not a deal breaker for a
corner at all.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Oh, I don't think so at all. So five years
in college, I think that, like there's a lot of
there's a lot of talk here about the Ravens drafting
in this space outside corner, inside corner, safety, someone in
the secondary, and like, if it's Barren, I think that
would be a fine pick. You get a guy who
can be a really productive player. You also mentioned Ballhawk again.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Five interceptions, five interceptions last year, eight over the course
of the last three so he can get He has
good instincts once the ball is in the air, he
kind of attacks it like a wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
So I think for all those reasons, he could be
a really good fit. And like if you when you're
drafting where the Ravens typically draft, and you're hitting a
home run, a lot of times it's because a player
falls for some reason or another. You don't teams don't
know exactly how he projects. Is he an inside corner,
is he an outside corner? What's his natural position? All
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those things often end or it's not a position that's
a premier position, like a traditional outside corner or an
edge rusher or a receiver. So for those reasons you
can you're looking for value. And so if if Baron
falls down the board because teams aren't sure if he's
an inside corner or an outside corner, and he may
not have the prototypical size of what you want, but
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he's super productive as a ballhawk and has really good
cover skills.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Very very good testing numbers at the company. He ran
a four to three nine.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
It's like super fast, great tape is good. Great when
their productive in college. Okay, that's great, then sign me up.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
He's drawing a lot of comparisons to Trent McDuffie and
who has been a really good first round pick by
the Kansas City Chiefs. Versatile slot corner, can cover tight ends.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
John A. Barron could be that type of player in Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Another one who kind of it's not the exact same
like just from a standpoint of what's his position. Cooper
Degen last year from Iowa, who of course ended up
going to the Eagles, got an interception in the Super Bowl.
Like there's there's a little more safety. The question there
was safety corner, what's his position there? But like just
from a how does he project conversation, I think that
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there's like similarities when you have that talk about guys
like McDuffie or dejeane and Baron as well.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yeah, I agree, I think an interesting team to watch
when we're having all these conversations about who the Ravens
could pick and somebody in the secretary and a safety.
You know, we were talking about male Kai Starks the Philadelphia Eagles.
You always have to keep an eye on the Eagles
because they are looking for safety. They just traded their
top safety and if there's somebody that could come up
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and come get a Malachi Starks has have the Eagles
drafted anybody from Georgia on the Georgia defense recently, Yeah,
that'd be one I watch well.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
They also don't forget a few years ago in the
Kyle Hamilton Draft, the Eagles traded in front of the Ravens.
They ended up taking from Georgia Jordan Davis, who a
lot of people had mocked to the Ravens a big
defensive tackle. Uh, they ended up taking him right before
the Ravens and the Ravens got Hamilton. Of course that
worked out, really worked out for both sides, to be honest.
But so they there's been a lot on draft weekend.
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There's a lot of connections between the Ravens and the
Eagles exactly what marks drafts draft and so there's a
lot of connections there between those two teams, and that
wouldn surprise me. The other team actually that I think
is one to watch when it comes to this corner conversation,
it is Seattle. They're drafting ahead of the Ravens, pretty
well ahead of the Ravens that they're at eighteen. And
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so some of these guys like Will Howard out of
Michigan and he's probably long gone most likely. But like,
if there's somebody who starts sliding down the board who
you're hoping like, okay, could they could they fall? Seattle's
a team there that could kind of be a could
be that the end the end of the fall for
so any of these guys. So you're hoping end up
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making it to the Ravens in the secondary.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Two players I look at for Seattle, Jehad Campbell, the linebacker.
I think Mike McDonald likes a versatile He can play
on the edge, he play inside, he can do a
lot of things, or the moving piece like him. You're
talking about versatile defenders. That's what Mike McDonald's wants in
his defense. I look at Jehad Campbell and Nick em
and worry.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Yeah, so those are like that Seattle's.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I mean, Amory is the closest thing you're gonna get
to Kyle Hamilton in this year's draft certainly. Yeah, big bodied,
big dude who can play down in the box, you
can go deep.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Yeah, I think that like that's a team that I'm
definitely gonna be watching closely because of Mike in the
way that he wants to build his defense. So that
will be a team to watch on draft night. So
let's take a quick break. When we come back, we're
going to talk about another mock draft and the possibility
of the Ravens pulling off surprise in the first round.
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an official sports betting partner of the Baltimore Ravens Draft
King sports book. The Crown is yours. So one other
mock draft that I want to mention, and this is
going to lead off to an interesting conversation, but is
the is Todd McShay. In his most recent mock draft.
Tod mcshaye, a long time worked at ESPN, now works
at The Ringer. He has the Ravens taking Tterea McMillan
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wide receiver out of Arizona at twenty seven overall. He's
six four two and twenty pounds, so he's the big
bodied wide receiver that I know Ravens fans have talked
about for a while. The range is on him from
a draft standpoint are all over the place. In McShay
obviously has him going at the end of the first round.
I've seen others where he's up close to the top ten.
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So what do you think of the possibility of the
Ravens going with McMillan in the first round.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I don't see it.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Obviously, there's not an immediate need, especially after draft or
signing DeAndre Hopkins.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
A comparable player.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
You're talking about a big bodied fifty to fifty guy
who's going to go up and make this catch those catches.
That's obviously DeAndre Hopkins. Now, of course, DeAndre Hopkins is
on a one year deal, so this is really a
best player available future outlook. But you just re sign
Rashad Bateman to a contract extension last offseason. You have
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Zay Flowers, who's entering his third season and hopefully we'll
be around here for a long time. That would be
an embarrassment of Riches a wide receiver. Yeah, and you
can never put it past the Ravens to just go
with best player available.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
But I don't see that one.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Yeah, as much as the Ravens have invested in wide
receiver under Aericon Costa and they've taken multiple swings at
that position, I mean, this could be like taking a
swing with a three to zero count, which like sometimes
works and you knock it out of the park. But
it just seems like they have the players at that spot.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
And so twenty twenty five and beyond, it's not just
sometimes it's all right, let's look at twenty twenty six,
what's this roster gonna look like?
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Then? Okay, you still have save Flowers and Shaw Bateman.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yeah, yeah, that would that would surprise me. And so
I'm not like completely rolling out.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I don't think he's gonna make it that far.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah, I mean everybody's sliding him down the board because
he ran a four four eight forty yard dashes pro day.
It's not it's not Garrett Downing slow. We're not in
the four nines, right, you know, I mean, okay, so
it would have been the twenty fifth fastest time of
the combine, all right for like being projected as a
top wide receiver. Not exactly what you want to see,
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but we're splitting hairs here.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Four to eight Yeah, not that bad.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
And he's a big receiver, so like his game is
not just speed, he's also to go up and win
those jump balls.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
I have a hard time seeing him sliding that far
the top wide receiver in the draft till twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Yeah, that would be surprising, very surprising. So that one
and just in general, him him removed from the conversation.
You and I both are of the belief that taking
a first round receiver would that would that would be
the jaw dropping moment for you on draft night.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Oh? Absolutely, yeah, Joel would hit the floor.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, I mean, I think that the Ravens are going
to go defense in the first round.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
That that's my prediction.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Yeah, I think that that's how I feel as well. Uh.
The other one that we haven't hit at all in
these mocks is offensive line and whether they could end
up taking an offensive lineman. Now, of course they resigned
Ronnie Stanley. If you're really good about Roger Rosegarden, it
would be a guard, it would be a guard. Taylor
book Booker out of Alabama, And when I did Final
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Drive yesterday, I talked about Tyler Booker and jahad Ward
both as like the guy who ends up following that
the Ravens end up getting, who's a plug and play starter,
really good player, who you're like, man, how did he
fall well? Just because John Campbell plays off ball linebacker
not as valued, Tyler Booker plays guard, not as valued,
primarily left guard. But like, he's a dude who's just
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a dominant run blocker who could fit right in perfectly
on this offensive line.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I just saw a mock draft from Pro Football Focus
in which they predicted Tyler Booker as well, and so
I wouldn't rule it out. I think the Ravens really
like Andrew Vorhees. I think he has great potential. He
won the starting job out of training camp last year.
But I'm also not going to sit here and I
don't think Andrew Vorhees even he would say he's in
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a position where, oh yeah, my starting job is locked up,
I don't have to worry about it going into the summer.
Like he very much needs to win that job that
he is not enough, you know, Zave Flowers position here
where you can pencil put him in the ink as
the starter. So could the Ravens say, hey, we're going
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to take a big swing and you know what else,
the Eagles had a really good group of offensive line.
They could certainly go get Tyler Booker and say we're
going to have a big, physical, nasty O line and
we're gonna get after you.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Yeah, well, I don't I think that approach could certainly
work for the same reason that we talked about on
the defensive side of the ball. How the Ravens haven't
like they took Tyler Linnerbaum in the first round. When's
the last time they took a guard?
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Was it?
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Ben Grubbs exactly see this.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
I'm going to counter my earlier argument, but Their track
record at guard has been middle rounds draft and developed.
Keep that pipeline well stocked and keep developing these guys.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
I have a hard doubt well and it's worked out well.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
I have a hard time seeing them investing a first
round pick at guard.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Yeah, that's what makes it. I'm with you. I would
be surprising to see them do that. They also already
have like some significant investment along the offensive line. Lennardbaum
was the first round pick. They're also gonna have to
pay him. They just paid Rodnie Stanley. They used a
second round pick on Roger Rose Garden at right guard.
Of course was a third round pick, and so he
fits that category of what we're talking about, like the
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mid round draft and develop.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
He was a tackle, really he was.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Yeah, yeah, but but he was a developmental mid round
pick who now of course ends up being a starting guard.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Ben Bradison was a fourth round pick be turned in
to a starter.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Ben Betterson, Ben Powers, Ben Cleveland was a third round pick.
There is there a Ben in this draft. Look for
a big then the third round, third fourth round Ben
at guard? Who can we pick pencil in?
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, to your earlier point, BEng Groves, yes, was the
last one. It's gonna have to be together my Ravens
seven round. I'm telling you, I'm looking for a bed.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
We both ought we're gonna both end up taking a
band in the mid as a guard this year. So yeah,
so that one, that one would surprise me as well.
I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, all right, now the Turfs, I don't know if
you know this.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Now you're wearing your Maryland show.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
I'm wearing my Maryland polo here.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
And I thought of a fun This got me thinking
they're big win Derrek Queen the buzzer beater to make
it to the six sweet sixteen. It got me thinking
about Ravens walkoffs, and so we put together a little
list of walk off touchdowns the Ravens have had in
franchise history. Okay, one was the Tylan Wallace hunt return
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against the Rams. Okay, another was Marquise Brown with the
touchdown against the Colts, the huge comeback win. Mark Andrews
scored multiple times in that comeback as well the twenty
twenty one comeback Mark East Brown five yards out. And
then there was also Josh Wilson against the Texans, the
pick six against Matt Schab had a pension for throwing
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a few of those in twenty ten pick six against
the Texans to beat them.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
I remember that one. That was pretty cool. And then
the other one was.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
The Will the Thrill Hill, Yeah, the kick six in Cleveland.
So those are the four walk off touchdowns the Ravens
have scored in franchise history. Okay, there's a bunch of also,
like interceptions CJ. Mosley against brown stuff like that, right,
but these are touchdowns, yeah, Okay, which how do you
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rank those?
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Well?
Speaker 3 (32:37):
My number one would be Tyland Wallace and that really yeah,
and I was torn. The ones that jumped out to
me were the tailand Wallace touchdown against against the Rams,
and then the.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Will Hill kick six, kick six.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
That's what I loved about the the kick six play
in Cleveland was like the Browns were setting up to
win that gamebevable, and so you're thinking like, man, this
is a tough, tough l here. Uh, just disappointing to
lose this game. And so the range of emotions there
where you're basically thinking like, oh, this is going to
be a tough flight home to just jubilation. That was
that was awesome. But Tylan Wallace that one against the
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Rams where I gave it an edge, like it was
awesome that it happened down the Ravens sideline at home,
like there was something epic about that play. And then
it was like having it happen at Mt. Bak Stadium
takes it to another level, Like the excitement of it
is so much greater than watching the disappointment, like I
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was in I was in the stadium for both and
in Cleveland, it was like silent except for the raven.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Sideline, which is that's kind of fun too.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
It's kind of fun. It is fun. It was fun.
I was having a great time when that happened, but
having it happened in Baltimore just took it to another level.
So it so that's and then and then for me,
like the Marquise Brown touchdown that Colts game, like that
game was so back, well it was.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
It was a nineteen point comeback in the second half.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
The Colts were up big and also at home, and
then the Ravens came roaring back. But that was like
a long comeback. They had to race this long comeback
where you had lots of big moments within that where
like the Tiland wallh you think about that game. You
think about those jerseys and just like that tailand palm return,
that's just.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
What stand that was. That was a comeback too. It
is Lamar's touchdown to Za Flowers. It was very late
in that game to even get it to overtime, so
that was I agree.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
I'll put Thailand number one. Okay, I'm gonna put the
kick six at number two.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
We're aligned, We're going the same I think we're gonna
go with the same way.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
I will say though, the kick six was awesome. Also,
Brent Herban, I think it was his first game coming back.
He had been injured. Yeh, all you know when he
first came into the league and had just bad luck, and.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Then he got the block. He blocked the field.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Goal, and Will Hill of all people scooping that thing
up and just you're like, he's is he actually going
to make it all the way?
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Yeah? It was just that one was.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Incredible, I'll tell you. But I you make a good
point with it being at M and T Bank. You
talk about the Colts game and then the Tyler Wallace
walk off, two of the best home games in Raven's history. Yeah,
those were both game regular season especially. Yeah, and then
you talk about the snow game against the Vikings.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
But epic games.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Yeah, those were epic, no doubt. The funny, real quick,
funny story about Brent Urban and that game he was
coming back and I think it was this tricep or
bicep that he'd hurt. So you had the big brace
on his arm and.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
The bionic Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
The question to him, like after the game was like,
did you hit with your arm that has basically kept
you sideline for the last year.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
He is like, yeah, it was that arm. It was
that arm.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
And then you look at the video and it wasn't
like he blacked out, like he had no idea what
was happening. He was kind of like we were talking about.
Was zach Orr when he tried to celebrate with our
Darius Washington and ended up on the turf. It was
the same thing with Urban where you asked him like
what are hands? I don't even know, man.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Don't let the facts get in the way of a
good story.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Exactly. Was like the magical repaired arm. That was the
That's why they taught it Owen journals.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Hey, you have you cannot dog on the terms today,
my friend.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Okay, I am just living it up Derek Queen talking
about epic moments.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Well done.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Shout out to Derek Queen for the epic he had
the epic game winning shot and then the epic quote
after the game when they asked him about, uh, you know,
just where you get your confidence from? He said, I
think I'm from Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
So I'm from Baltimore. That's why.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Yeah, that was a pretty great quote, great moment. So
congrats at the terps.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yep got it, got them going all the way.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Yeah, there you go. I hope you're right.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Got to beat the Gators next. Anyway, thank you for listening.
As always, you can email us at the Lounge at
Ravens dot NFL dot
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Net and we will be back with you later this week.
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