March 17, 2025 • 28 mins
Team insiders Ryan Mink and Clifton Brown talk about the weekend news, including the reported deal for Cooper Rush, a reunion with Ben Cleveland, the Ravens reportedly picking up Mark Andrews' roster bonus, and big news from the Cincinnati Bengals.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome into the lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink
here with Cliff Don Brown. Thank you for stepping in, Cliff, appreciate.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
It, No no problem. Ron always good to talk to
you guys.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Yeah, yeah, and uh so we're gonna break down the
biggest news from this past weekend. As we all know,
it's a busy time of year with free agency, and
we're I don't know, what do you think, Cliff? Is
this a second wave? Are we on the back end
of the first wave?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
What's this cop thing? Yeah, I'm gonna go beginning a
second wave.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Beginning a second wave.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Okay, right, So the Ravens had a nice ride on
the first wave. They got up on that board, they
were surfing it, got DeAndre Hopkins, got Ronnie Stanley, deal done,
Tyler Wallace, you know, some other moves, agreed to and
signed our guy pat Riccard who joined the pod. So
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I think a successful, successful ride on the first wave,
and now we're into the second and the Ravens crossed
off a couple order a couple other orders of business
over the weekend and namely reportedly agreed to a deal
with Cooper Rush, the backup quarterback and.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
This is this is a big deal.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
The Ravens have not really spent much at backup quarterback
and this is a reported two year deal that is
a six point two million dollar deal according to Jeff's
three Back with a maximum value of twelve point two
million based on a bunch of incentives, playing times, starts, wins,
all those kind of things. So, Cliff, what was your
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reaction to the Cooper Rush deal.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Definitely thought it was interesting and a move that strengthens
a roster. We know that they've been fortunate with Lamar
in the last couple of years with his health, but
we also know there have been years where you know,
he has missed time and you know, Ravens are a
Super Bowl contender, and if you get into a situation
where you were to lose Lamar for you know, three
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four games you have, he wants someone who you can
win with and those games are very important trying to
you know, keep the momentum alive or you know, win
games for playoff seeding, divisional race. Cooper Rush of the
guy who's been there, done that. He's proven that he
can win games in the NFL with a team that
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you know, Frankly, I don't think he'll have more talent
around him now in Baltimore top to bottom than he
did in Dallas, So you don't have to worry about
whether this guy can come in if he has to
and you know, keep the ship moving offensively. So yeah,
obviously he's a guy that the Ravens thought that was
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worthy of going out and getting. And yeah, I think
it's definitely a move that strengthens a fifty three man roster.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, I think you know, Cooper Rush over his career,
has a record of nine and five, right, so in
fourteen career starts. So I think that this is a
player that obviously has proven he can win, right, and
backup quarterbacks do not come cheap around around the NFL,
and I think that's part of the reason why the
Ravens really have not spent big money on this the
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past couple of years. But I think that looking at
the terms of the deal, the reported terms, two years,
six point two million, that seems like a really good deal.
And then obviously if if he plays a significant amount,
then it increases. But you know, the Ravens are not
a team that really want to spend a ton of
money so to get a guy like Rush, who has
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been a winner, who has played well in those games.
It's not like he's just been propped up. I mean
twenty touchdowns to ten interceptions. You know, he's completed over
sixty percent of his passes. And so here's an experienced
guy that I think to your point, you know, and
anytime we talk about backups, I feel like you got
to knock on wood and you know, if Lamar were
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to go down, he is somebody that can can step
in and make some plays, right cause it's it's that's
really what it's about. If Lamar were to go down, obvious,
see the offense changes. There's nobody that plays the game
like Lamar Jackson. Right the offense changes, it probably becomes
more run heavy. You're not asking the quarterback to do
nearly as much as you would be asking Lamar Jackson
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to do, not even close. But can he make plays
when he needs to? Can he make those throws? Cooper
Rush has done that over his career, right And I
think that the Ravens they're a team that when you
look at that all the talent they have, you know,
they had the most Pro Bowlers in the league last year.
When you look at the talent they have offensively, defensively,
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they're gonna be right back in the hunt this year.
And I think that when you have a team like that,
you want to get some insurance because if the worst
case scenarios happens, or not even necessarily the worst case scenario,
but if something bad happens, let's say your starter gets injured,
then like you have enough talent to still make a run.
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I think, right at least challenge And so I think
Cooper Rush gives you that a bit.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah, no question, I agree with all that. And he
also talking about making plays. You also want your backup
quarterback to avoid the big mistakes when you get put
in that position, Obviously you want to help the team win.
All these guys are competitors, and so the backup quarterback
comes in. He wants to make a play, and sometimes
he tries to do too much and he hasn't had
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a lot of playing time, which leads to mistakes. Cooper
Rush has shown that in addition to making plays, he's
not a guy who makes a ton of mistakes, turns
the ball over. He gives you, as you said, a
chance to win. So for a contender, the backup quarterback
position is more important to me than it is. If
you're not, I mean, your starting quarterback gets hurt, you're
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a five hundred team, then well yeah, you bring in
the backup. You hope he plays well, but he still
may not be enough to get you into the playoffs.
For a team like the Ravens, when Lamar Jackson's healthy,
the Ravens are a definite playoff team. If he misses
some time, you still want the Ravens to be able
to make the playoffs and hope that maybe Lamar could
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be able to come back during the postseason. So Cooper
Rush is the type of quarterback that fits where the
Ravens are right now and where they have been for
a long time, a Super Bowl contender. If something happens
to the starter, you can have him come in and
win a few games and keep the ship moving.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yep. Yeah, I really like this mow for the Ravens.
And we had talked about the backup quarterback and Josh Johnson,
and you know, would the Ravens just bring Josh Johnson
back and or what would they would do there? You know,
I think eventually, you know, Josh Johnson's going to turn
thirty nine in May and so as much as I
think this team values Lamar, likes Josh, the coaches like Josh.
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Josh has had a great career. You know, He's been
a number of places in Gosh, He's had a long,
successful career. Right, But eventually you knew that you had
to make a move there, and and you know, eventually
kind of had to rip that band aid off, and
the Ravens decided, hey, Cooper Rush was, as they always say,
right player, right price. So I thought a good move
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for the Ravens. The other move of the weekend, and
this one came as a surprise to you. I think
a number of people with the Ravens brought back Ben
Cleveland and so Cliff, you know, were you surprised?
Speaker 3 (07:23):
What was your initial reaction.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I was a little surprised, just because you know, Ben
did you know, not win a starting job last year,
had been here for a while, he was a free agent.
You know, you wonder if somebody else is going to
if he's gonna latch on with someone else, But you
know now that he is coming back, Yeah, I think
it makes sense and that obviously he knows the system.
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The Ravens I think have felt and still believed that
there there's more to get out of Ben in Cleveland,
that he's not a guy who's still young, that he
hasn't really fulfilled his potential yet, and that they could
maybe get something out of him. He's he's a huge guys.
We all know they like big offensive linemen. He can
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play multiple spots. This is going to be interesting to see.
I mean, he's given another chance now to compete. I
mean this time last year, I think most people thought
he was going to be, you know, the starting right
guard in twenty twenty four. It didn't pan out that way.
So we'll see. He's been a starter before. He's actually
played pretty well when he's gotten a chance to start.
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It's just been a matter of consistency with him. So
we'll see what he does with this opportunity. I would
think that he's glad to get another opportunity with the Ravens.
He knows that he's kind of he's at a crossroads
in his career and that this is a huge year
for him, just like last year was a huge year.
So he's been given another opportunity. He'll begin to see
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what he does with it.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yep, for me, it's three things won the Ravens needed
guard depth, right They lost Patrick McCarey in free agency,
Josh Jones departed in free agency. They really don't currently
they didn't have any guard depth behind your projected starters
and Daniel file a lele at right guard and then
the favorite certainly at left guard, Andrew Vorhees.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
So you need to just need a depth there.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
And you know, I certainly expect that the Ravens are
going to address guard at some point in the draft.
With eleven picks, they could take two offensive linemen. You know,
they could take a guard, tackle, they could take as
strictly a guard, they could do both.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
And so but.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Even even with that, even if you drafted somebody, let's
just say, even in as high as a third route whatever, like,
even if you made a fairly highish pick, you still
need more depth there. And I think veteran depth, because
you don't want to just be totally young along your
backup offensive line. So somebody that's played he also got
experienced last offseason. Really for much of the summer he
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played tackle. I think that verse fatility really really helps
him and is also another feather in his cap and
reason why the Ravens want to come back, because it's
not just that you need depth at guard, it's also
a backup tackle, right because McCarey was kind of the
Swiss Army knife. He was your your third offensive tackle too,
so and Josh Jones leaving, he was again another guy
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who played at tackle, So I think that also helped
with bringing back Bank Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Definitely. So yeah, I mean all those points I agree
with it you mentioned, and again I just feel that
this opportunity is something that you know, he's going to
want to take advantage of. It's a bit interesting to
see with what you mentioned. Even if he's in competition,
which he will be, he'll have an experience edge probably
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over the guys he's competing with now to have a
roster spot or you know, to get in the lineup.
So will he take advantage of that, Will the potential
that he's that has, will that finally come to fruition.
It'll be interesting. He'll be a guy. It'll be interesting
watched throughout the off season to see if, yeah, if
he seems like now that he's it's starting to click
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for him. Yep.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
The other big news of the weekend and was that
the Ravens picked up According to Jeff's reback of the
athletic Mark Andrews four million dollar roster bonus triggered on
the fifth day of the new league year, which was
over the weekend, So the Ravens picked up that that
roster bonus. You know, I think there's obviously been a
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lot of speculation about Mark Andrews, and and with his
contract being what it is, you know, being I believe
it's the fourth highest on the team, you know, was
what was his future here? And obviously this is a
you know, franchise leader, uh and somebody that one day
might very well go into the Ravens Ring of honor.
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And I think that this certainly shows the fact that
the Ravens did not make a move there shows that, hey,
we're better with Mark Andrews, right, no.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Question, no question. I mean Mark, you know, he's going
to go down now, you know, as you know, a
guy who's who's a ring of honor type, guy of
one of their you know, top of the line players
already and he's he's far from done. And yeah, I
think that Mark, you know, thinking about last year. You know,
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I did a story on Mark before last season started.
I spoke to his mom and I don't even think
I used this quote from her, but I asked her
something like, well, what's something you know? I've known Mark
for a while. Now tell me something about him that
I don't know. And she said, I don't think he'll
think people realize how much he loves his teammates, how
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much he loves them, that he loves being a Raven.
He's been here since twenty eighteen. The relationships he's formed
with people like Lamar, you know, Ronnie Stanley, pat Riccard,
Marlon Humphrey. These guys are you know guys they say,
you know, you go to war with. They're his buddies,
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his his guys who he's you know, had ups and
downs with. And they're all still in quest of that
super Bowl. Ring guys who came in with his year
and before so you know the way last year ended.
There's been so much talk for good reason about you know,
that last game in Buffalo. You know how wild affect Mark.
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You know that he wants to come back and help
this team win a super Bowl, that he has unfinished business.
He's a great player, tremendous competitor. I don't know of
any raven who works harder, is more intense, and I
just feel like, yeah, it's it's right for him to
come back, that he's going to give you everything he's got.
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I think he could have a better year this year.
I thought that last year him coming on late in
the season was not a coincidence, that that ankle injury
was very severe, that he had a couple of seasons ago.
I think that the longer season went last year year,
he actually felt better. And so I feel that next year,
a year removed from that ankle injury, he could have
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one of his best seasons. So I think it's a
good thing for the Ravens that he's back. They obviously
have a great tight end room and he's still a
big part of it.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah. I mean, I think all of us want to
see Mark win it all here. I mean we want
to win it all, period. But for a guy like
Mark who's been here since the beginning of the Lamar
Jackson era, you know, came in with Lamar in that
same draft class in twenty eighteen and has poured his
heart and soul into the game and into his team
and his teammates like and especially the way last year ended,
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you know, that was a tough that was a tough
ending in Buffalo for Mark in particular.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
And I think you don't.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
You don't want to see it end like that, certainly
for a guy, especially like Mark and all that he
stands for.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
And I would.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
I would love nothing more than to see Mark come
back and just absolutely ball out next year and take
help help take the Ravens' the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
That would be. That's how like the Mark Andrews story
is supposed to go, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Right well, whoever another chance to do just that, And
like I mentioned, you know, I feel like he's still
in his prime. I think another the third year with
in Monkin's offense, I expect I'm expecting really big things
in the Ravens offense next season. You know. I like
the DeAndre Hopkins move. I like the continuity of Todd
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Monkin coming back as offensive coordinator. So yeah, I think
that you know, all those weapons that the Ravens have,
they help each other, and you know, I say it
likely is still blossoming as a tight end as it's
Charlie Kohler. But yeah, Mark is the lead guy there
still in my opinion, and I feel like, yeah, next year,
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coming off of the way last year ended. If there's
any way for him to be more determined than he
already has been, he will be. He will be all right.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
We'll take a break. Can When we come back, we'll
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AFC North front. The Cincinnati Bengals have reportedly, according to
Jordan Schultz, agreed to deals with both of their big
time wide receivers Jamar Chase five years, one hundred and
eighty two point eight million dollars that makes him the
highest paid non quarterback in the league. And then also
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wide receiver t Higgins a deal that can be worth
over thirty million dollars per year with incentives, so a
big that's a four year deal. It's four years, one
hundred and fifteen million for Tea. So two huge contracts
for their two huge wide receivers.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Right, I mean, I think everybody assumed Chase was going
to get his bag, you know, to be able to
keep Higgins as well. I mean, yeah, now you know,
Burrow Higgins and Chase they're gonna be together for you know,
the bulk of their careers, which means the Bengals offense
is going to be you know, tough to deal with
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for the for the next few years as they have been.
So yeah, I mean it's a big move by the
Bengals and they'll be interesting to see, you know. Now
on the defensive side, are they able to improve their defense?
Everybody knows they have a high powered offense, but down
there's reports that they're trying to still keep Trey Hendrickson
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after making these two deals, So that'll be something to
watch and how the Bengals manage now their cap situation
and adding players now that they've signed these two you know,
very talented receivers long term along with Joe Burrow. Interesting
to see how they make it all fit. But yeah,
I mean change. I think we knew that was going
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to happen. And now Higgins, who's been under the tag
the last couple of years, he's locked up as well.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Yeah, I think you know, it remains I haven't seen
the contract details that spell out what this cap savings
is for this year. I'll be interested to see how
does this impact you know, the Bengals had they cleared
a lot of cap space already, So does this help
them get more business done this year? I mean obviously
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when you pay him, you know, Jamar Chase T. Higgins
and Joe Burrow, what's it mean for down the line?
And if you get a deal done with Hendrickson like
you're talking about, you can only give so many guys
the top of the market money and or top five
money and still build a competitive roster elsewhere, right, Like,
how does this impact they better draft well on defense?
Speaker 3 (19:19):
You know what I mean? Like, so it'll be.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Interesting down the line, But I'm more intrigued by seeing
what's this What does this do for the twenty twenty
five Bengals and how they're able to work those contracts
to give them themselves some space to breathe this year?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Right, I mean yeah, they they were not you know,
good enough defensively last year. That's that's what caused them
a playoff spot. They started slowly, but even when they
weren't winning games, they were scoring. But they just couldn't
stop anyone last year. And yeah, long term, you know, yeah,
are they going to be able to build a team
around those you know, really shiny pieces they have at
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the top. So we'll say it's going to be interesting
to watch. But yeah, certainly getting those two, particularly Higgins,
that was something even a lot of people thought Higgins
eventually they'd have to let them go. They decided that
they were going to make the able the commitment to
him as well.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Yep, yep. So.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
And then lastly, we have an email here from our listeners.
As always, you can read just at the lounge at
ravenst NFL dot net. This one comes from Donald Quigley
and he says last year the Ravens had success with
their top two picks, but the rest of the picks,
played very few offensive or defensive snaps. I've read lots
about the needs for the twenty twenty five drafts, citing linebacker, cornerback,
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wide receiver, and safeties, with no mention of those four
positions where we drafted last year. Even considering some lost
time to injury, the results weren't there. Is there any
one of the of the really any one of them?
Are they expected to be really good this year or ever?
Thanks for your insight, Don Quigly. So you look at
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the Ravens, Avis, they nailed their top two draft picks
with Nate Wiggins and Roger Roseen Gunrin for last year,
and you know he's right, like the guys behind them
didn't have a big impact as rookies. Ads Isaac was
injured for much of the year. Devon tes Walker, you know,
with all the offensive weapons the Ravens had, really didn't
get much time. Had one catch, although it was a
nice one, a touchdown catch. TJ Tampa cornerback, dealt with
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injuries for much of the year. Rashina a Lee injuries,
Devin Leary didn't see much time. Nick Samak same Sanousi
Kane actually played a fair amount the seventh. Their final pick.
Safety was a pretty a good special teamer and played
a lot. I mean he played him fifteen games and
he played seventy six percent of the special team stamps.
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So that that pick has so far worked out pretty
darn well, Cliff, what do you make of that class,
the rising sophomores and whether they can contribute and how
much they can contribute this year?
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, well, sir, you wouldn't turn into final verdict yet.
I mean, I definitely think it. Des Isaac is going
to get every opportunity to be a guy who can
contribute to them on defense, the pass rush, you know,
only it's really he'll be kind of like a rookie
this year in my opinion, and yeah, he's got talent.
Sometimes definitely takes pass rushers a few years to develop,
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so certainly we got to just see how he continues
to grow. Teses Walker, I mean, yeah, didn't play a
lot on offense last year, but again another young player.
He's certainly in a room that's very talented, which you know,
if he's smart, he'll use that to his vange and
you know, learning from those guys, seeing how they go
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about their business. I think that he's still, you know,
I don't think he lost any confidence last year tes Walker,
and now I think it's a good sign that, you know,
when he got that opportunity, it wasn't too big for him.
So I just feel like you got to be a
little more patient with this class when you come. When
you're a rookie coming to a team, it's talented as
a Raven and it's hard to get playing time unless
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they are coming through positions has been vacated by someone else.
So a lot of guys they drafted the next two
or three years may not get a lot of playing
time with the offense or the defense, and they're gonna
have to kind of just in practice, you know, and
with more experience be ready when their turn comes. So
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don't give up on the class yet. It's still too early.
But yeah, I just feel that all these guys, some
of these guys to TJ. Tamp and other guys who
suffer the injuries, if they can just stay healthy, that's
really key for young players to stay healthy, get practice reps,
gain some confidence. I think you'll see a couple of
these guys pop in the next year or two.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah, you go back through the Ravens draft history, and
there are a lot of players that didn't make a
huge impact in year one that eventually came on to
be not only starters, but really good players. I mean,
to go back, Dennis Pitta had one catch in his
rookie year, I think for negative one yard. He got
blown up and caught the ball, got blown up in
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the backfield, ended up having a pretty darn good career, right,
And I mean that's going back a little ways, but
there there is a log on his long history. I mean,
Travis Jones more recently, he didn't have a huge role
as a rookie. Now he's one of the NFL's more
dominant defensive tackles. Daniel fil Alele, same thing, he's a starter.
Tavia's Robinson, fourth round pick, didn't really play a whole
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lot as a rookie and kind of came on more
as a sophomore, and so well Tavia's. Tavia's had actually
a decent amount of snaps. But I mean, I think
he's made more of an impact certainly in year two
and will in year three. So you got to remain patient.
I think that especially a player like Odessa Isaac. I
thought he actually when he was on the field. I
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thought he flashed. I thought he I was impressed with
what I saw from Adisa, and I think that this
will be a key year or two for him to
you know, kind of establish himself more in that rotation.
The Ravens have all those outside linebackers back, so it's
not like there's a huge role for him to step into,
but it'll be a rotation and I think this will
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be a big year for him.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
And then TJ. Tampa is a key depth piece.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I mean, you look at cornerback right now, cornerbacks probably
at the top of the top or near the top
of the needs list, and I still do expect the
Ravens to sign a cornerback, whether that be bringing back
one of their own, like get your devious wait or
going out and get somebody. But right now, I mean
that third cornerback spot is a competition between TJ. Tampa
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and Jalen Arbor Davis, so he could certainly get more reps,
and I think he's a player the Ravens are really
excited to draft, So you got to remain patient and
also remember that maybe the most important offseason for NFL
player is after the rookie year between rookie year and
second year and their sophomore year because they know how
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the NFL works now, they have the layout, they have
their feet under.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
That first year is long. I mean you go from the.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
College season to training for the Combine to the drafts
straight in the rookie mini camp OTAs like it is
a long, grueling kind of first year. And when you
get to now you have a little bit of experience,
you know what you're doing a little bit, and you
have that full you have a break and then an
off season to train that get bigger, gets stronger in
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the weight room, in the NFL program all summer long,
like that makes a big difference. And I think that
especially for somebody like a Deese, Isaac Even and tes Walker, TJ. Tampa,
like those guys, I think it'll make a big difference.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
You know, that's a good point about you know, between
first and second year. This is kind of year we
expect some of these guys to make a jump. And yeah,
I mean I think that this year it'll have more
of an opportunity than last year to make an impact.
And yeah, I mean the Ravens, you know, their their drafts.
I think you know, have continued to be strong because
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they do really, I think, really know how to try
and get guys to grow with them, find realize their
potential along the way. They don't give up on players quickly.
They really believe in the guys that they draft, They
coached them up, They give them opportunities. The Ravens are
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a place where the best players do play, So you know,
any of these guys who do show flashes of improving
are going to get an opportunity to earn snaps. And yeah,
that draft class at the top, I mean obviously you
know what Rose Garden and Wiggins did. Yeah, that's not
the norm. I mean, kudos to them for being able
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to step in and do what they did as rookies,
particularly to me. You know Rosengarden, I mean, you know,
he's a guy that they really needed to come through
at that spot. I give him a lot of credit
that it seemed like every week he was getting better.
Same with Wiggins. Seem like as the season went on,
people talk about hitting a rookie wall. They didn't. They
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kept getting better. So the rook these rookies last year,
they have a lot of guys in there. Class are
two guys at the top of the class. They can
see how it's done, and I think you will see
more from that, you know class, that rookie class in
twenty twenty four. More contributions from them next year.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Cool. Well, thank you for the email, and as I said,
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here with Cliff Don Brown. Thank you for stepping in, Cliff, appreciate.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
It, No no problem. Ron always good to talk to
you guys.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Yeah, yeah, and uh so we're gonna break down the
biggest news from this past weekend. As we all know,
it's a busy time of year with free agency, and
we're I don't know, what do you think, Cliff? Is
this a second wave? Are we on the back end
of the first wave?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
What's this cop thing? Yeah, I'm gonna go beginning a
second wave.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Beginning a second wave.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Okay, right, So the Ravens had a nice ride on
the first wave. They got up on that board, they
were surfing it, got DeAndre Hopkins, got Ronnie Stanley, deal done,
Tyler Wallace, you know, some other moves, agreed to and
signed our guy pat Riccard who joined the pod. So
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I think a successful, successful ride on the first wave,
and now we're into the second and the Ravens crossed
off a couple order a couple other orders of business
over the weekend and namely reportedly agreed to a deal
with Cooper Rush, the backup quarterback and.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
This is this is a big deal.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
The Ravens have not really spent much at backup quarterback
and this is a reported two year deal that is
a six point two million dollar deal according to Jeff's
three Back with a maximum value of twelve point two
million based on a bunch of incentives, playing times, starts, wins,
all those kind of things. So, Cliff, what was your
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reaction to the Cooper Rush deal.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Definitely thought it was interesting and a move that strengthens
a roster. We know that they've been fortunate with Lamar
in the last couple of years with his health, but
we also know there have been years where you know,
he has missed time and you know, Ravens are a
Super Bowl contender, and if you get into a situation
where you were to lose Lamar for you know, three
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four games you have, he wants someone who you can
win with and those games are very important trying to
you know, keep the momentum alive or you know, win
games for playoff seeding, divisional race. Cooper Rush of the
guy who's been there, done that. He's proven that he
can win games in the NFL with a team that
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you know, Frankly, I don't think he'll have more talent
around him now in Baltimore top to bottom than he
did in Dallas, So you don't have to worry about
whether this guy can come in if he has to
and you know, keep the ship moving offensively. So yeah,
obviously he's a guy that the Ravens thought that was
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worthy of going out and getting. And yeah, I think
it's definitely a move that strengthens a fifty three man roster.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, I think you know, Cooper Rush over his career,
has a record of nine and five, right, so in
fourteen career starts. So I think that this is a
player that obviously has proven he can win, right, and
backup quarterbacks do not come cheap around around the NFL,
and I think that's part of the reason why the
Ravens really have not spent big money on this the
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past couple of years. But I think that looking at
the terms of the deal, the reported terms, two years,
six point two million, that seems like a really good deal.
And then obviously if if he plays a significant amount,
then it increases. But you know, the Ravens are not
a team that really want to spend a ton of
money so to get a guy like Rush, who has
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been a winner, who has played well in those games.
It's not like he's just been propped up. I mean
twenty touchdowns to ten interceptions. You know, he's completed over
sixty percent of his passes. And so here's an experienced
guy that I think to your point, you know, and
anytime we talk about backups, I feel like you got
to knock on wood and you know, if Lamar were
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to go down, he is somebody that can can step
in and make some plays, right cause it's it's that's
really what it's about. If Lamar were to go down, obvious,
see the offense changes. There's nobody that plays the game
like Lamar Jackson. Right the offense changes, it probably becomes
more run heavy. You're not asking the quarterback to do
nearly as much as you would be asking Lamar Jackson
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to do, not even close. But can he make plays
when he needs to? Can he make those throws? Cooper
Rush has done that over his career, right And I
think that the Ravens they're a team that when you
look at that all the talent they have, you know,
they had the most Pro Bowlers in the league last year.
When you look at the talent they have offensively, defensively,
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they're gonna be right back in the hunt this year.
And I think that when you have a team like that,
you want to get some insurance because if the worst
case scenarios happens, or not even necessarily the worst case scenario,
but if something bad happens, let's say your starter gets injured,
then like you have enough talent to still make a run.
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I think, right at least challenge And so I think
Cooper Rush gives you that a bit.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah, no question, I agree with all that. And he
also talking about making plays. You also want your backup
quarterback to avoid the big mistakes when you get put
in that position, Obviously you want to help the team win.
All these guys are competitors, and so the backup quarterback
comes in. He wants to make a play, and sometimes
he tries to do too much and he hasn't had
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a lot of playing time, which leads to mistakes. Cooper
Rush has shown that in addition to making plays, he's
not a guy who makes a ton of mistakes, turns
the ball over. He gives you, as you said, a
chance to win. So for a contender, the backup quarterback
position is more important to me than it is. If
you're not, I mean, your starting quarterback gets hurt, you're
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a five hundred team, then well yeah, you bring in
the backup. You hope he plays well, but he still
may not be enough to get you into the playoffs.
For a team like the Ravens, when Lamar Jackson's healthy,
the Ravens are a definite playoff team. If he misses
some time, you still want the Ravens to be able
to make the playoffs and hope that maybe Lamar could
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be able to come back during the postseason. So Cooper
Rush is the type of quarterback that fits where the
Ravens are right now and where they have been for
a long time, a Super Bowl contender. If something happens
to the starter, you can have him come in and
win a few games and keep the ship moving.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yep. Yeah, I really like this mow for the Ravens.
And we had talked about the backup quarterback and Josh Johnson,
and you know, would the Ravens just bring Josh Johnson
back and or what would they would do there? You know,
I think eventually, you know, Josh Johnson's going to turn
thirty nine in May and so as much as I
think this team values Lamar, likes Josh, the coaches like Josh.
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Josh has had a great career. You know, He's been
a number of places in Gosh, He's had a long,
successful career. Right, But eventually you knew that you had
to make a move there, and and you know, eventually
kind of had to rip that band aid off, and
the Ravens decided, hey, Cooper Rush was, as they always say,
right player, right price. So I thought a good move
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for the Ravens. The other move of the weekend, and
this one came as a surprise to you. I think
a number of people with the Ravens brought back Ben
Cleveland and so Cliff, you know, were you surprised?
Speaker 3 (07:23):
What was your initial reaction.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I was a little surprised, just because you know, Ben
did you know, not win a starting job last year,
had been here for a while, he was a free agent.
You know, you wonder if somebody else is going to
if he's gonna latch on with someone else, But you
know now that he is coming back, Yeah, I think
it makes sense and that obviously he knows the system.
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The Ravens I think have felt and still believed that
there there's more to get out of Ben in Cleveland,
that he's not a guy who's still young, that he
hasn't really fulfilled his potential yet, and that they could
maybe get something out of him. He's he's a huge guys.
We all know they like big offensive linemen. He can
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play multiple spots. This is going to be interesting to see.
I mean, he's given another chance now to compete. I
mean this time last year, I think most people thought
he was going to be, you know, the starting right
guard in twenty twenty four. It didn't pan out that way.
So we'll see. He's been a starter before. He's actually
played pretty well when he's gotten a chance to start.
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It's just been a matter of consistency with him. So
we'll see what he does with this opportunity. I would
think that he's glad to get another opportunity with the Ravens.
He knows that he's kind of he's at a crossroads
in his career and that this is a huge year
for him, just like last year was a huge year.
So he's been given another opportunity. He'll begin to see
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what he does with it.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yep, for me, it's three things won the Ravens needed
guard depth, right They lost Patrick McCarey in free agency,
Josh Jones departed in free agency. They really don't currently
they didn't have any guard depth behind your projected starters
and Daniel file a lele at right guard and then
the favorite certainly at left guard, Andrew Vorhees.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
So you need to just need a depth there.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
And you know, I certainly expect that the Ravens are
going to address guard at some point in the draft.
With eleven picks, they could take two offensive linemen. You know,
they could take a guard, tackle, they could take as
strictly a guard, they could do both.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
And so but.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Even even with that, even if you drafted somebody, let's
just say, even in as high as a third route whatever, like,
even if you made a fairly highish pick, you still
need more depth there. And I think veteran depth, because
you don't want to just be totally young along your
backup offensive line. So somebody that's played he also got
experienced last offseason. Really for much of the summer he
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played tackle. I think that verse fatility really really helps
him and is also another feather in his cap and
reason why the Ravens want to come back, because it's
not just that you need depth at guard, it's also
a backup tackle, right because McCarey was kind of the
Swiss Army knife. He was your your third offensive tackle too,
so and Josh Jones leaving, he was again another guy
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who played at tackle, So I think that also helped
with bringing back Bank Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Definitely. So yeah, I mean all those points I agree
with it you mentioned, and again I just feel that
this opportunity is something that you know, he's going to
want to take advantage of. It's a bit interesting to
see with what you mentioned. Even if he's in competition,
which he will be, he'll have an experience edge probably
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over the guys he's competing with now to have a
roster spot or you know, to get in the lineup.
So will he take advantage of that, Will the potential
that he's that has, will that finally come to fruition.
It'll be interesting. He'll be a guy. It'll be interesting
watched throughout the off season to see if, yeah, if
he seems like now that he's it's starting to click
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for him. Yep.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
The other big news of the weekend and was that
the Ravens picked up According to Jeff's reback of the
athletic Mark Andrews four million dollar roster bonus triggered on
the fifth day of the new league year, which was
over the weekend, So the Ravens picked up that that
roster bonus. You know, I think there's obviously been a
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lot of speculation about Mark Andrews, and and with his
contract being what it is, you know, being I believe
it's the fourth highest on the team, you know, was
what was his future here? And obviously this is a
you know, franchise leader, uh and somebody that one day
might very well go into the Ravens Ring of honor.
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And I think that this certainly shows the fact that
the Ravens did not make a move there shows that, hey,
we're better with Mark Andrews, right, no.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Question, no question. I mean Mark, you know, he's going
to go down now, you know, as you know, a
guy who's who's a ring of honor type, guy of
one of their you know, top of the line players
already and he's he's far from done. And yeah, I
think that Mark, you know, thinking about last year. You know,
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I did a story on Mark before last season started.
I spoke to his mom and I don't even think
I used this quote from her, but I asked her
something like, well, what's something you know? I've known Mark
for a while. Now tell me something about him that
I don't know. And she said, I don't think he'll
think people realize how much he loves his teammates, how
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much he loves them, that he loves being a Raven.
He's been here since twenty eighteen. The relationships he's formed
with people like Lamar, you know, Ronnie Stanley, pat Riccard,
Marlon Humphrey. These guys are you know guys they say,
you know, you go to war with. They're his buddies,
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his his guys who he's you know, had ups and
downs with. And they're all still in quest of that
super Bowl. Ring guys who came in with his year
and before so you know the way last year ended.
There's been so much talk for good reason about you know,
that last game in Buffalo. You know how wild affect Mark.
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You know that he wants to come back and help
this team win a super Bowl, that he has unfinished business.
He's a great player, tremendous competitor. I don't know of
any raven who works harder, is more intense, and I
just feel like, yeah, it's it's right for him to
come back, that he's going to give you everything he's got.
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I think he could have a better year this year.
I thought that last year him coming on late in
the season was not a coincidence, that that ankle injury
was very severe, that he had a couple of seasons ago.
I think that the longer season went last year year,
he actually felt better. And so I feel that next year,
a year removed from that ankle injury, he could have
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one of his best seasons. So I think it's a
good thing for the Ravens that he's back. They obviously
have a great tight end room and he's still a
big part of it.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah. I mean, I think all of us want to
see Mark win it all here. I mean we want
to win it all, period. But for a guy like
Mark who's been here since the beginning of the Lamar
Jackson era, you know, came in with Lamar in that
same draft class in twenty eighteen and has poured his
heart and soul into the game and into his team
and his teammates like and especially the way last year ended,
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you know, that was a tough that was a tough
ending in Buffalo for Mark in particular.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
And I think you don't.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
You don't want to see it end like that, certainly
for a guy, especially like Mark and all that he
stands for.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
And I would.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
I would love nothing more than to see Mark come
back and just absolutely ball out next year and take
help help take the Ravens' the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
That would be. That's how like the Mark Andrews story
is supposed to go, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Right well, whoever another chance to do just that, And
like I mentioned, you know, I feel like he's still
in his prime. I think another the third year with
in Monkin's offense, I expect I'm expecting really big things
in the Ravens offense next season. You know. I like
the DeAndre Hopkins move. I like the continuity of Todd
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Monkin coming back as offensive coordinator. So yeah, I think
that you know, all those weapons that the Ravens have,
they help each other, and you know, I say it
likely is still blossoming as a tight end as it's
Charlie Kohler. But yeah, Mark is the lead guy there
still in my opinion, and I feel like, yeah, next year,
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coming off of the way last year ended. If there's
any way for him to be more determined than he
already has been, he will be. He will be all right.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
We'll take a break. Can When we come back, we'll
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AFC North front. The Cincinnati Bengals have reportedly, according to
Jordan Schultz, agreed to deals with both of their big
time wide receivers Jamar Chase five years, one hundred and
eighty two point eight million dollars that makes him the
highest paid non quarterback in the league. And then also
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wide receiver t Higgins a deal that can be worth
over thirty million dollars per year with incentives, so a
big that's a four year deal. It's four years, one
hundred and fifteen million for Tea. So two huge contracts
for their two huge wide receivers.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Right, I mean, I think everybody assumed Chase was going
to get his bag, you know, to be able to
keep Higgins as well. I mean, yeah, now you know,
Burrow Higgins and Chase they're gonna be together for you know,
the bulk of their careers, which means the Bengals offense
is going to be you know, tough to deal with
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for the for the next few years as they have been.
So yeah, I mean it's a big move by the
Bengals and they'll be interesting to see, you know. Now
on the defensive side, are they able to improve their defense?
Everybody knows they have a high powered offense, but down
there's reports that they're trying to still keep Trey Hendrickson
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after making these two deals, So that'll be something to
watch and how the Bengals manage now their cap situation
and adding players now that they've signed these two you know,
very talented receivers long term along with Joe Burrow. Interesting
to see how they make it all fit. But yeah,
I mean change. I think we knew that was going
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to happen. And now Higgins, who's been under the tag
the last couple of years, he's locked up as well.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Yeah, I think you know, it remains I haven't seen
the contract details that spell out what this cap savings
is for this year. I'll be interested to see how
does this impact you know, the Bengals had they cleared
a lot of cap space already, So does this help
them get more business done this year? I mean obviously
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when you pay him, you know, Jamar Chase T. Higgins
and Joe Burrow, what's it mean for down the line?
And if you get a deal done with Hendrickson like
you're talking about, you can only give so many guys
the top of the market money and or top five
money and still build a competitive roster elsewhere, right, Like,
how does this impact they better draft well on defense?
Speaker 3 (19:19):
You know what I mean? Like, so it'll be.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Interesting down the line, But I'm more intrigued by seeing
what's this What does this do for the twenty twenty
five Bengals and how they're able to work those contracts
to give them themselves some space to breathe this year?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Right, I mean yeah, they they were not you know,
good enough defensively last year. That's that's what caused them
a playoff spot. They started slowly, but even when they
weren't winning games, they were scoring. But they just couldn't
stop anyone last year. And yeah, long term, you know, yeah,
are they going to be able to build a team
around those you know, really shiny pieces they have at
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the top. So we'll say it's going to be interesting
to watch. But yeah, certainly getting those two, particularly Higgins,
that was something even a lot of people thought Higgins
eventually they'd have to let them go. They decided that
they were going to make the able the commitment to
him as well.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Yep, yep. So.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
And then lastly, we have an email here from our listeners.
As always, you can read just at the lounge at
ravenst NFL dot net. This one comes from Donald Quigley
and he says last year the Ravens had success with
their top two picks, but the rest of the picks,
played very few offensive or defensive snaps. I've read lots
about the needs for the twenty twenty five drafts, citing linebacker, cornerback,
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wide receiver, and safeties, with no mention of those four
positions where we drafted last year. Even considering some lost
time to injury, the results weren't there. Is there any
one of the of the really any one of them?
Are they expected to be really good this year or ever?
Thanks for your insight, Don Quigly. So you look at
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the Ravens, Avis, they nailed their top two draft picks
with Nate Wiggins and Roger Roseen Gunrin for last year,
and you know he's right, like the guys behind them
didn't have a big impact as rookies. Ads Isaac was
injured for much of the year. Devon tes Walker, you know,
with all the offensive weapons the Ravens had, really didn't
get much time. Had one catch, although it was a
nice one, a touchdown catch. TJ Tampa cornerback, dealt with
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injuries for much of the year. Rashina a Lee injuries,
Devin Leary didn't see much time. Nick Samak same Sanousi
Kane actually played a fair amount the seventh. Their final pick.
Safety was a pretty a good special teamer and played
a lot. I mean he played him fifteen games and
he played seventy six percent of the special team stamps.
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So that that pick has so far worked out pretty
darn well, Cliff, what do you make of that class,
the rising sophomores and whether they can contribute and how
much they can contribute this year?
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, well, sir, you wouldn't turn into final verdict yet.
I mean, I definitely think it. Des Isaac is going
to get every opportunity to be a guy who can
contribute to them on defense, the pass rush, you know,
only it's really he'll be kind of like a rookie
this year in my opinion, and yeah, he's got talent.
Sometimes definitely takes pass rushers a few years to develop,
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so certainly we got to just see how he continues
to grow. Teses Walker, I mean, yeah, didn't play a
lot on offense last year, but again another young player.
He's certainly in a room that's very talented, which you know,
if he's smart, he'll use that to his vange and
you know, learning from those guys, seeing how they go
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about their business. I think that he's still, you know,
I don't think he lost any confidence last year tes Walker,
and now I think it's a good sign that, you know,
when he got that opportunity, it wasn't too big for him.
So I just feel like you got to be a
little more patient with this class when you come. When
you're a rookie coming to a team, it's talented as
a Raven and it's hard to get playing time unless
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they are coming through positions has been vacated by someone else.
So a lot of guys they drafted the next two
or three years may not get a lot of playing
time with the offense or the defense, and they're gonna
have to kind of just in practice, you know, and
with more experience be ready when their turn comes. So
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don't give up on the class yet. It's still too early.
But yeah, I just feel that all these guys, some
of these guys to TJ. Tamp and other guys who
suffer the injuries, if they can just stay healthy, that's
really key for young players to stay healthy, get practice reps,
gain some confidence. I think you'll see a couple of
these guys pop in the next year or two.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah, you go back through the Ravens draft history, and
there are a lot of players that didn't make a
huge impact in year one that eventually came on to
be not only starters, but really good players. I mean,
to go back, Dennis Pitta had one catch in his
rookie year, I think for negative one yard. He got
blown up and caught the ball, got blown up in
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the backfield, ended up having a pretty darn good career, right,
And I mean that's going back a little ways, but
there there is a log on his long history. I mean,
Travis Jones more recently, he didn't have a huge role
as a rookie. Now he's one of the NFL's more
dominant defensive tackles. Daniel fil Alele, same thing, he's a starter.
Tavia's Robinson, fourth round pick, didn't really play a whole
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lot as a rookie and kind of came on more
as a sophomore, and so well Tavia's. Tavia's had actually
a decent amount of snaps. But I mean, I think
he's made more of an impact certainly in year two
and will in year three. So you got to remain patient.
I think that especially a player like Odessa Isaac. I
thought he actually when he was on the field. I
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thought he flashed. I thought he I was impressed with
what I saw from Adisa, and I think that this
will be a key year or two for him to
you know, kind of establish himself more in that rotation.
The Ravens have all those outside linebackers back, so it's
not like there's a huge role for him to step into,
but it'll be a rotation and I think this will
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be a big year for him.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
And then TJ. Tampa is a key depth piece.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I mean, you look at cornerback right now, cornerbacks probably
at the top of the top or near the top
of the needs list, and I still do expect the
Ravens to sign a cornerback, whether that be bringing back
one of their own, like get your devious wait or
going out and get somebody. But right now, I mean
that third cornerback spot is a competition between TJ. Tampa
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and Jalen Arbor Davis, so he could certainly get more reps,
and I think he's a player the Ravens are really
excited to draft, So you got to remain patient and
also remember that maybe the most important offseason for NFL
player is after the rookie year between rookie year and
second year and their sophomore year because they know how
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the NFL works now, they have the layout, they have
their feet under.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
That first year is long. I mean you go from the.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
College season to training for the Combine to the drafts
straight in the rookie mini camp OTAs like it is
a long, grueling kind of first year. And when you
get to now you have a little bit of experience,
you know what you're doing a little bit, and you
have that full you have a break and then an
off season to train that get bigger, gets stronger in
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the weight room, in the NFL program all summer long,
like that makes a big difference. And I think that
especially for somebody like a Deese, Isaac Even and tes Walker, TJ. Tampa,
like those guys, I think it'll make a big difference.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
You know, that's a good point about you know, between
first and second year. This is kind of year we
expect some of these guys to make a jump. And yeah,
I mean I think that this year it'll have more
of an opportunity than last year to make an impact.
And yeah, I mean the Ravens, you know, their their drafts.
I think you know, have continued to be strong because
(26:56):
they do really, I think, really know how to try
and get guys to grow with them, find realize their
potential along the way. They don't give up on players quickly.
They really believe in the guys that they draft, They
coached them up, They give them opportunities. The Ravens are
(27:17):
a place where the best players do play, So you know,
any of these guys who do show flashes of improving
are going to get an opportunity to earn snaps. And yeah,
that draft class at the top, I mean obviously you
know what Rose Garden and Wiggins did. Yeah, that's not
the norm. I mean, kudos to them for being able
(27:37):
to step in and do what they did as rookies,
particularly to me. You know Rosengarden, I mean, you know,
he's a guy that they really needed to come through
at that spot. I give him a lot of credit
that it seemed like every week he was getting better.
Same with Wiggins. Seem like as the season went on,
people talk about hitting a rookie wall. They didn't. They
(27:57):
kept getting better. So the rook these rookies last year,
they have a lot of guys in there. Class are
two guys at the top of the class. They can
see how it's done, and I think you will see
more from that, you know class, that rookie class in
twenty twenty four. More contributions from them next year.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Cool. Well, thank you for the email, and as I said,
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