September 16, 2025 • 49 mins
Team insiders Ryan Mink and Garrett Downing discuss the injuries to Kyle Van Noy and Marlon Humphrey, plus how Joe Burrow's injury impacts the division race. They also discuss what stood out on film from the Ravens' 41-17 win versus the Browns.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Minky
with Garrett Downing and we're gonna take a deeper look
into the Ravens week to win over the Cleveland Browns,
as well as talk about some of the early news
this week as the Ravens get set to face the
Detroit Lions on Monday Night Football. So, Garrett, a couple
of days removed from the ravens big win over Cleveland,
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what stands out to.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
You, honestly, what really was like the story for me
coming out of this game is the way that the
Ravens got significant contributions from guys for a little bit
under the radar and how important that is in being
a successful team. And like you can just look at it,
basically four scores were really set up by special teams
or defense. One of them just was accomplished by defense,
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and that was Rokwand Smith. Now he's under the radar player,
but you had a defensive You had an interception from
Nate Wings to put you in a great position, You
had the touchdown by Rokwand Smith, and then on special
teams you had a nice return by Lejonte Western and
you had a block punt by Jay Kummele, Like four
plays up put the offense in a really good position
and then going back to the under the radar thing
like tes Walker pair of touchdowns DeAndre Hopkins. Not a
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big game, big name of Hall of Famer, but not
a guy that's like he's not he's not playing. The
majority of snaps had ten snaps to Wallace. Tylon Wallace,
thank you, like the the list.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Wallace also like, don't forget that he also recovered Derrick
Henry's fumble in the play before his touchdown. Yeah, he
doesn't recover that fumble. You know, early early momentum in
that game shifts totally.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
So like I think the Ravens have there's no doubt,
like they have the top bend star power. They have
Lamar Jackson, they have Derrick Henry, they have five first
round picks in the secondary, Like they have star power
on this team. But I really do think that, like
if the Ravens are going to be a team that
goes deep in the playoffs when we get to January,
you're gonna talk about players who come up from under
the radar and make plays and clutch moments and and
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it's not always the stars that end up it's guys
who can come up and make big plays in big moments,
and I think it's encouraging to see the Ravens get
some of that early on in the season.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Well, when you talk about having the NFL's best roster,
it isn't just the front line players, and the Ravens
have a lot of those. They have a lot of stars,
but it also goes to the Ravens depth. And I
think to what you're speaking to, you know, the Ravens
have a ton of depth, and you look on offense
and you know, the tight ends haven't had a big contribution.
You know, DeAndre Hopkins isn't playing a ton of snaps
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like and yet they're still getting guys like tedz Walker,
you know, and Tyler Wallace making these big plays, right,
And then beyond that, to me, it's you have to
have multiple ways to win. And the offense wasn't particularly
as sharp early in this game, especially right and when
the offense was kind of a little slow getting out
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of the gates, especially in the running game. You know, Okay,
we won with our special teams and with defense, which
you look at forty one points on the final scoreboard,
it doesn't look like the offense had a bad day.
But like, sometimes you know, it's not gonna be clicking
on all cylinders right away, especially when you're facing a
really good defense like the Cleveland Browns have. And to
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see the Ravens kind of pivot and win a game
against a tough division foe in a different way with
defense and special teams kind of getting getting them over
the hump early on when it was a really close,
tight game and then okay, all right, you give the
offense extra possessions and bang, bang bang bang bang, it
catches fire twenty one points in the fourth quarter, you know,
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And so like it's honestly like and to the offense
is credit. Okay, being able to win when you're not
running the ball, well, can you still win that way? Yep? Right,
you know Lamar Jackson throws four touchdown passes, right, And
so I think like the ability to win with different
formulas is also really important as well as what you're
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talking about, to win with different players.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, I think it's a great point. Like if you
go back to the twenty nineteen Ravens and that team
was awesome.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
They were the number one.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Seed in the AFC, going to that postseason and that
was such a fun year. But that team like really
had one formula, which was like they were a dominant
rushing attack.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
They would get up early, they would.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Dominate the time of possession, they would play really sound defense,
and like they would bleed teams because they would just run.
They would run, run, run, and it was hard. It
was hard to stop that. Nobody really stopped it. But
like they weren't really a team that was like built
to come from behind or win in different ways in
the way that like, this team is built to win
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in so many different so many different ways. And I
think that like that really just serves you well. Like
if you're a well rounded team and there's a day
that like the running game isn't working well, but you
can still put up forty one points. Okay, now you're
in a really good position.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Well let's let's be honest about it. It's because Lamar
Jackson is a is a better quarterback, a much better
quarterback that he wasn't twenty nineteen when, oh, by the way,
he won MVP. Just it is Lamar Jackson right now,
as it stands, has the highest quarterback rating in NFL
history for a career. He surpassed Aaron Rodgers this past weekend.
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He's the statistically, you know, you can put there's a
ton of metrics out there to grade quarterbacks with, but
quarterback rating is kind of the standard. Statistically, he's the
best passing quarterback in NFL history by that metric, right,
which is a very popular metric. Yeah, and so that's crazy.
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I mean, that's crazy when you go back and think
about what the kind of player Lamar Jackson was coming
out of college and now he was a much better
passor than people gave him credit for at the time.
But he's become a much better passer since entering the NFL.
And like, and oh, by the way, he's a career
rushing yards leader by quarterbacks in NFL history. So like,
I mean, it's preposterous the level to which Lamar Jackson's playing.
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And he's thrown ten more touchdown passes that have traveled
ten air yards or more than any quarterback in the
NFL since the beginning of the last season. So like,
he's just he's just playing at such a high level.
And uh, you know, even when he came out of
the gates a little bit slow against the Browns, you
look back at it at the end, you're like, Lamar
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threw four.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Touchdowns, right, four touchdown Town's ridiculous, I know.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
And that's like I've said this before, but I think
something that is just glossed over with him because like
the highlight reel plays are what stand out. But what
what really doesn't get enough he doesn't get enough credit
for is his ability to protect the football.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Like he doesn't. He does not throw interceptions. He just doesn't.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And like knocking on some wood, I know, I know,
but like he like he's been he has not been
an interception pron quarterback in his career.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
He is not.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I mean last year was.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
His efficiency is through the roof.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
And that's why when you look at the quarterback rating,
he's his passer rating is the best ever because he's
so good at protecting the football and being efficient with
it and then of course capitalizing. It's like it is
crazy when you like, there's no doubt that he's the
best running quarterback of all time, Like I don't think
that's really much of.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
A debate that many people would have.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
And when you look at this, it's like passer rating wise,
he's the best.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Well, now now you're getting into an honest debate about
where Lamar Jackson ranks among the best throwing quarterbacks of
all time.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
So I mean, yeah, you're getting into that.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
That's a legitimate debate at this point. Yeah, well, look
n at all they want, but look at the numbers.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah. John Harwall said before last season, like the hope
is that he's going to go down is the best
to ever do it? And like that that was something
that I think a lot of people kind of Oh
that caught some people's attention when he made that comment
going into last season. But when you when you really
consider all Lamar does, I think it's it's justified.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Of course. Of course that debate is going to come
down to ranks.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah, that's like exactly, that's the debate that That's what
John Harwall said, Like you talk about the best quarterback
to ever do it. Yeah, yeah, he's gonna win the
the super Bowl. I mean that's we've known that. That's
that's the whole conversation around Lamar. But like more nuanced,
I think a new interesting conversation is like, just in
terms of passing, how good a passer he is? Where's
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Lamar Jackson rank h pretty darn good.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Well, right now, he's got the past, like you said,
best passer writing in NFL history, So I'll just we'll
just stick to that number. We'll just go by that
with that number, and that's that's a pretty good spot
to be in. So those are some of my initial
thoughts from that game and just the way that Lamar
has played. We also want to dive into just some
of the other news of the week here early on
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the downside of that game is some of the injury updates.
Kyle van Ney left the game with a hamstring injury.
Marlon Humphrey left the game with a groin injury. For
for van Ney, the reports are that he could miss
multiple weeks. That's what multiple reports are suggesting. With Marlon Humphrey.
There's not been anything that's really come out from any
definitive timeline publicly in the media. John Harball was asked
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about it during his press commence on Monday and basically
was like, I'm not giving any updates. That's not the
time of the year where we're getting into that. It's
these guys are We'll wait and see.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
He said, they're not anything season ending, yes, So.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Somewhere between, no misstime and season ending, Like it's somewhere
in that range exactly. If Kyle van Noy is sidelined
and he missed a good portion of that game on
Sunday against the Browns, I think we're gonna see more
on my Green, the rookie. I think he's the guy
that steps into more of a prominent role in that
outside linebacker mix.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah, I mean that it would be a tough loss
for the Ravens as good as I think Mike Green
is and as excited I am as I am about him,
Ben Kyle Annoy is a very good player led the
Ravens and sacks last year, So like let's not gloss
over if he's missing from Monday Night football against the
Lions or beyond. That's a tough loss. I mean you
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talk about not only just like production, but also like
in terms of just knowing how to play right. I mean,
like like he helps set up other guys for plays also
because he just has a knack and feel for the game.
And so I like you talk about combo rushes, like stunts, picks,
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all those kind of things, like Kyle van Noy in
terms of like just raw ability at this stage of
his career, like Mike Green if you're just going one
on one, Like, I don't know. I'm not gonna sit
here and say Mike Green's better one on one, but
like in terms of feel for the game and being
able to run those combos and all that stuff, like
Kyle van Noyd knows it, and so I if he's missing,
I think certainly that that hurts the Ravens defense.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, Fannois, I mean, he's one of the veteran leaders
of this team, especially on defense, and losing him would
be a tough blow. Like I think the Ravens have
we're excited about my Green. Tavius Robinson is a guy
in that outside linebacker mix, so I think is a
really good player. A Dafey always been quiet out of
the gate, but you know he's.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
He had he had a good game.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I thought he hasn't got to the quarterback yet, that's correct.
No sacks, Yeah, but he's been he's been quiet, a
little bit quiet. The guy who also then probably held
in the wise can held steps into the lineup honestly,
is David Ajabo, who's been a healthy scratch these first
two games. And so if van Noy's out, then you're
probably looking at David Ajab will be in a game
day active. How many snaps he plays, we'll see, but
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I think that he would be somebody and then steps
into the lineup.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
That's correct, Yeah, that's what I would expect. But Mike
Green would play a prominent role.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Right from a snap standpoint, yep.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yep, And there's the possibility, you know. John Harball was
asked about could Trenton Simpson potentially play a little outside linebacker.
He's had fewer inside linebacker snaps as Teddy Buchannan's kind
of taken over the lead job there, you know. John
Horball said Trenton could play maybe a little sam which
which is that position right in some of the Ravens
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packages that Kyle van Noy plays, But I don't expect
that in the immediate.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
The other injury, well, I guess I'm Marlin just in
terms of what happens. I mean, obviously, if Marl Humphrey's
not there, that's gonna be another big loss that's significant,
Like that's he's one of the best players in the
secondary and he's your starting nickel. I mean, like he's
he's the starting corner in any bit package. But he's
really your slot corner, and that's where the Ravens have
primarily been using him this year. He does that better
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than anybody else on the team. So if he's if
he's out, then what's the replacement do they go with
one of the young guys?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
It's probably Keon Martin. I mean, the undrafted rookie is
like the closest thing to a true nickel corner that
the Ravens have on the roster behind Marlin. And obviously
you can play Kyle Hamilton a little bit more in
the slot. I think with the Detroit Lions come in
to town, it's gonna be pretty matchup heavy, you know,
I mean, got Lee, They are stacked with offensive weapons.
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I'm and Ross Saint Brown just scored three touchdowns. Jameson
Williams is a huge big play threat. You know. They
they have a lot of weapons. Sam Laporter at tight end,
the running backs they have Daved Montgomery and jamieer Gibbs,
and so you know, maybe some of that is matchup dependent,
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but this is not the week that you want to
be without Marlon Humphrey with that passing attack coming down.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Well, the other one who would step into the lineup
most likely is JAHI Alexander. He was scratched last week.
John Harble basically described it as he's getting in football shape.
Keep in mind, this is a guy who missed the
majority of training camp. He had he had knee surgery
in the offseason back in January, so he's been working
back rehabbing from that. Was on the field a little
bit early in camp, then missed a month, then practiced
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for three days and played against the Bills and did
not have a great game against the Bills. So last
week was an opportunity for him to practice and continue
to just get right, get his body right, and so
he Harbaugh said, Jay is going to play sooner or
other than later, and that sooner maybe this week against Lines,
especially if Marlon Humphrey's out.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Certainly wouldn't surprise me. If Kyle van Noy and Marlon
Humphrey can't play, that the two guys who were healthy
scratches last week, David to Jabo and JayR Alexander, we're
both active.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah, So I think that that's and then and then
Kean Martin is another interesting one from a slot corner standpoint.
He made you know, he was one of the big
stories at the end of training camp as an undrafted
guy who ends up making the team, and he could
end up playing significant snaps. That'd be a big assignment
for an undrafted rookie. Monday night football against an offense
and just put up a fifty.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Burger certainly would be But yeah, I don't know who
who necessarily plays nickel. I mean, Jay, You're ain't a
nickel Cheeto is not really a nickel corner. He's outside.
Wiggins is outside boundary corner.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
TJ. Tampa's really been an outside boundary corner.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah, so like you're you're looking at some combination of
Kyle Hamilton Malachi could maybe play in there a little
bit if you need to, you know, like they don't
have a lot of nickel options.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yeah, so it might be key on Martin if if
called upon. Yeah, if Marlin's this is that time. A
couple of the injury notes. Patrick Ricard got an update
on him. He was somebody like a start of the
season kind of surprising. He wasn't out there really Week
one for practice against the Bills and then missed us
has not practiced for a while now, about a month
dealing with cat foe. So John Harboll said that that
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recovery has been slower than the team hoped, didn't describe
it as a setback, but did say that it's been
slower going than the Ravens expected and hoped. And so
when he is back on the field, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I mean, you talk about the Ravens rushing attack having
troubles against the Browns, would would have liked. I think
Patrick Coriokcard would have changed the calculus a little bit there. Sure,
you know you talk about just a guy up front. Now, Now,
the Ravens ran the ball up and down the field
against the Bills, so it's not impossible they can run
the ball without Patrick gard Bey in the lineup. But
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nobody's going to sit here and say that missing a
Pro Bowl or you know, you'd be better off having
your Pro Bowl fullback helping to clear the way.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Yeah, I'm not gonna be like aho ho you miss
Patrick Carl.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
There's a reason that he's one of the best in
the league of what he does, maybe the best in
the league at what he does exactly.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
So hopefully, you know, he gets on the practice field
this week. If he does, then you feel a lot
better about his chances. Obviously, Monday night.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, I mean, if he doesn't practice this week, then
you're not feeling good about that. But I think that
the fact that he didn't go on into reserves suggests
that he would be he would be in the lineup
somewhere within the first four games, because if you went
on ir to start the season, he was.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Out the first four.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
But I think, however, the fact that this has been
a slower going recovery process and the Ravens anticipated throws
that timeline a little bit up in the air.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Exactly right, exactly they might have thought when they were
setting the fifty three man roster originally that he was
definitely going to be back within the four first four weeks.
I mean, what was it a week ago or so?
John Harwall said like, yeah, there's a chance that pat
Ricard returns to practice last week. Yeah, and he did not.
You know that he was hopeful and expecting that he
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could come back on Wednesday or whatever. Yeah, did So
it's just take longer than they hope. And that's to
bummer for all parties totally.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Now in terms of the injury front, I mean, the
biggest news on the injury front in the division this
week is actually outside of this building that we should mention.
Joe Burrow, Bengals quarterback, goes down with the turf toe injury,
has surgery. He's out for three months, might miss the
rest of the season, depending on how his recovery goes.
I mean that changes the AFC North. Joe Burrow is
one of the best players in football, and having him
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sidelined completely changes this division. Now, he went down to
the game on Sunday and Jake Browning came in. He's
a very capable backup, and still Jamar Chase had a
huge day and the Bengals ended up coming back to
win that game. So Browning is a capable backup. But
like Joe, Burrow is one of the best quarterbacks in football,
and losing him does change this division drastically.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Absolutely. I think that this certainly puts the Ravens in,
you know, if they weren't already in the driver's seat,
which they're not standing wise, but you know, the Ravens
are going to be even more heavily favored than when
they a North after this century. There's no way sends
or butts about it. And I think the Bengals are
kind of you know, I think that they can still
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certainly win a number of games with Jake Browning. I mean,
we went four and three as their starter in twenty
twenty three after Joe Burrow went down and kept them
kind of in the playoff chase yea that year. They
ended up missing it, but they were they were close,
and so yeah, I think he's one of the better
backup quarterbacks. And let's be honest, you have those wide receivers,
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you're in pretty good shape right now. The Bengals have
offensive issues of their own protection being at the top
of that protecting. You know, can they protect Jake Browning?
You know, they haven't protected Joe Burrow very well, and
so I think that that's gonna it's gonna be tough.
It's gonna be tough for them to stay a top
the AFC North as they are now. But I do
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think that they're gonna remain in the playoff mix. I
think they're gonna be a tough out. Plus, the big
thing for them is their defense has kind of led
them in both of their wins so far. Certainly in
their Week one win against the Browns, the defense really
put the handcuffs on on Cleveland, and then with turnovers
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against the Jags. You know, that's really was their formula
for their Week two wins. So if the defense continues
to play at a significantly higher level and you get
Jake Browning playing at an adequate level with those wide receivers,
you know, still making plays out on the outside, Okay,
you can win some games of that formula.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, it does look like the Ravens will likely miss
Burrow in both of their matchups. Again, he might miss
the rest of the season, we'll see. It's being described
as the three month recovery process, which would be mid December.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I would be very, very surprised if Joe Burrow plays
another game this season.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, it certainly seems like it's trending in that direction.
And so again that changes the division quickly. Before we
dive back the film from the game on Sunday, a note,
an interesting note, the Lions picked up Maliite Cunningham on
their practice squad this week. Malie Cunningham was here for
a few years, former college quarterback and then has been
a wide receiver for the Ravens the past couple of years,
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spent training camp here in Baltimore. He of course replaced
you go back to Louisville his college days. He replaced
Lamar Jackson at Louisville, And so I'd be curious. I
wonder how the Lions are planning to use Elite Cunningham
this week.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
I'm sure they're gonna use him as their scout quarterback.
He's gonna be He's gonna be Lamar Jackson. He's gonna
be wearing number eight, the number eight jersey out there
in Detroit.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Wouldn't surprise me.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Oh, that's for sure, what's gonna be happened. That's sure.
That's why they picked him, because.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
He's been a wide receiver in the past two years
here in Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah, but he's if old.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
I mean, if there's anybody that can simulate Lamar Jackson
in like how Lamar you know and this offense, like
knows how this offense operates, it's the closest thing is
probably Elite Cunningham. Yeah right, I mean, he knows his
offense very well, and he now he's not Lamar Jackson,
of course, what's about that? Yeah, But like you're looking
for the closest parody, and so that's that's why I
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expect the Lions picked him up.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, it was an interesting that one caught my attention.
Uh to see that move so well.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
The Ravens picked up their own Malik on the practice
squad yep, bringing back Maleek Cam. It's true Lak versus Maleak. Yeah,
Ultimore native exactly. So happy to see Malik Cam come back.
And you do wonder, you know, with Kyle van Noy
if you were to miss some time, is there a
chance that Malee Cam could be activated for the game
day from the practice squad. Now, like we said, David
Ajaba has been a healthy scratch, I would anticipate probably
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a jabo, but some more depth there in case of
Van Noy.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yep, So I think that that is it's I also
like Milee Cam. This is a guy who made the
team as an and drafted rookie, got a great story,
and so excited to see him get another opportunity to
be back here on the practice squad.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
So we'll take a quick break.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
When we come back, we'll take a deeper look into
the film and give you some other thoughts from the game.
On Sunday, you're listening to the last podcast, We're coming
to you from the Sea Geek Studio.
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is yours. So if we're talking about the game on Sunday,
I think that a good starting point is Rokwan Smith.
This dude was everywhere. He was flying all over the field.
Fifteen tackles, three tackles for loss, a scoop and score touchdown.
When and when you go back and look at that touchdown, man,
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he picked it up and he turned on the Jets
for about fifteen yards, and he said that after the
game he was like, I had a quick burst and
then I backed it off as I cruised him to
the end zone. But when you go back and look
at it, like he turned on the Jets for his
first few strides after picking up that football to give
himself a clear pathway.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Oh yeah, I didn't know who Quon was that fat
He hit nineteen point zero six miles per hour, yeah,
wearing the next sen stats. Yeah, that's the fastest he's
run in three years.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah, I mean he really he was moving and when
he picked up that ball, so I thought that was
you know, I thought that was nice to see he.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Went back to those running back days.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
He did, he said he played, he played high school
running back, went back those running back days in Making County, Georgia.
And then he ran right into his family and gave
them the ball in the end zone, which is a
pretty cool moment for him. But when you looked at
the tape on Roquan like that play aside, what stood
out to you?
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I mean, so like instinctive and just like triggering incredibly fast.
I mean, that's that's who Roquan is. But so it's
like it's nothing like new that I saw on tape
where it's like wow, okay, like no he could do
that other than maybe the speed on the return, but
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like the rest of it was just like dominance from
start to finish. And it's kind of interesting. You know,
our cameras for Ravens Wire caught a moment between Roquan
and ray Lewis before the game in the pregame huddle
or pregame tunnel, and you know, a kind of in
his year and four quarters, four quarters, you know, you
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got to get this team playing four quarters, and Rowe
you know, of course agreeing with that and uh and
he showed it on the field. I mean, I thought
it was interesting that Ken mcusick h compared it to
you know, some of the most iconic Ray Lewis performances
of his of his day. Yeah, and just that level
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of dominance. I mean, Rokwon was just on everything and
everyone immediately.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
He was awesome. And I said this in our post
game reaction podcast. I thought that, like some of the
criticism of him, especially coming out of the Buffalo game,
was was really unfair and overblown in my view. Like,
I thought he was pretty good against Buffalo outside of
that one miscap tackle on James Cook that was like
the one bad play that he had in that game
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that stood out, But like I thought, he was overall
pretty good. And then he just carried that into this
where he played awesome, Like he played like the best
life background football on Sunday, which I think he's capable
of doing it, and like.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
This, he keeps this up, He's going to be in
that Defensive Player of Year conversation as long as the
Ravens defense fares well overall, because it's the splash plays.
You return a fumble for a touchdown, yep, to splash play, right.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
You have fifteen tackles, you have three tackles for loss,
like you all those things cat catch people's attention. And
you mentioned the moment with ray Lewis that that was
really cool just make I want to remind fans Ravens
Wired comes out Wednesday night, and this was one of
many many cool moments in this episode of Ravens Wired,
which you can watch on YouTube as well as our website.
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And it's just like ray Lewis is firing up Rokuan
in that moment, and like Ray's been around here plenty
of times, but it's been cool to see him at
some pretty big like junctures at points this year. Like
him he went to the Buffalo game, there was that
point training camp, he came out here and he was
like working with the guys on the field.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
To a certain degree.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
He's firing up Roquan in the tunnel before taking the
Like it's it's been cool to see ray Lewis's impact
on this team and just continue building on the legacy
that is established here.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Well, ray Lewis is key card to get into the
building always works. Yes, come on whenever you want, Yeah,
you want to talk the guys, come on out. Oh,
he's always welcome. Well.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I also want to get your take on the guy
playing next to Roquan Smith, Teddy Buchanan, the rookie fourth
round pick. He saw a big snap increase. He basically
took that that that job, that starting job next to
Roquan Smith. Him and Trenton Simpson shared that mostly week one.
Buchanan had an increase in snaps in week two and
play the majority there. But he's looked pretty good as
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a fourth round pick who stepped into a huge role
early in this season.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yeah, when I look at the film from Teddy, I
just think that he's he's in the right spots, doing
the right things. You know. He just he doesn't look
like a rookie linebacker who's like his head is spinning
and he doesn't know what he's looking at. He's he's
doing the right stuff. And now, like when Roquon's next
to you, and you see the difference between a veteran
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pro bowler like Roquon and Teddy, Like Roquan triggers on
stuff immediately like he sees it and he immediately pulls
the trigger. Teddy like you can see he sees it,
but he's not quite as like just you know, quick
to trust his instincts and go after it as Roquon is,
which is certainly understandable, you know. And I think just
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from like a hey, your body and physicality like Teddy
Teddy's you know, he's taking some mumps in there. He's
taking on some big blockers. Who are you know, he's
taking some hits. Yeah, and now credit to him, like
he's taking on those blockers too, Like he's not shying
away from anything. He's he's flying around and he's playing
he's playing full tilt. But you know, yeah, I think
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he's doing I think he's doing well. I think for
a fourth round rookie stepping into that big a role
in a Ravens defense, that's a really tall task.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
You don't see any rookies period, even guys who are
necessarily first round picks. You've been kind of spoiled. Malchi
Starks has been an immediate starter, but like not everybody is.
Nate Wiggins was an immediate Week one starter last year,
you know, and like to step in it. Inside linebacker
is a fourth round rookie who, by the way, only
played big times college football for one season at Cow
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Like that is pretty remarkable, And so I think like
Teddy's been a quick learner. He is a hard worker,
like he's practiced start all summer long. He's tough guy.
Like I'm impressed with what I see. I'm not gonna
like sugarcoat and say, oh my god, he's like going
crazy out there. I think he's playing well.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I think the arrow is very much pointing up on
him too. Yeah, And like when you compare.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
It to where he was two years ago, like even before.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Gosh you see Davis. Yeah, compared to that, it's a big,
big step up in competition.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, so big, big strikes for him over the past
two years. And so I think that, like I said,
I think the era is pointing up on him for sure.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
And it's encouraging to see him I think holding up. Well,
the other guy you mentioned him is Nate Wiggins. So
Nate had the big he had the big interception.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
So sorry, I want to I don't want to get
off the inside linebacker train here. Okay about Jake Hummel, Well,
that's that's an inside linebacker.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
He is an inside linebacker. That's a special teams play.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
He isn't inside linebacker, but man like really he's a
special teamer and he and look with the Ravens signed
Jake Humbell this offseason to come in here and elevate
the special teams play. And when you get a block
punt in your second game, you're elevating the special teams play.
That's correct, and so it was encouraging to see that.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I thought it was cool going back on the film
and and uh, Jake mentioned this after the game, but
the first punt the Browns had, he Jake Hummell had
a very similar rush to his block punt. It was
basically the same rush. He was kind of right over
the the long snapper, gets a lane, gets a one
on one with the personal protector, and he didn't He
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didn't make the play, then kind of got blocked to
the side of the hunter. And on the fourth punt,
you know, they they came back to that same rush
and Jake humble did not miss. He just ran through
the guy's face and got his hand up and blocked it.
So like pretty cool, also a fun a great story
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for Jake Kumbley. His four month old Sadden was at
the game. It was the first game as kid had
ever gone to and so got to see daddy, make
make the big play. It's just just cool.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
The Ravens, like when they were looking this offseason a
way to improve the special teams, Jake Kumble was a
guy who came on the radar they felt like they
could bring in as a veteran he could elevate the screen.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah, Like, I think they were surprised to get him
and like really thrilled that he was released by the Rams.
He had like the same block punt last year, Like
it was basically a carbon copy of the play, and
so like the Ravens are like, all right, sure, well yeah,
we'll take them. Yeah, And gosh, I mean he said
injury concerns, had a cut on his hands, fingered and
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like all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, he had he had he had a child, so
he didn't participate really much of the offseason program at all.
Then he has his cut on his hand at the
start of training campan he's not on the field and
he still got you know, he's still got that thing
wrapped up out there.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
When he plays, he.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Blocked the pump with his good hand. Yeah, I don't
know that would hurt hard. I don't even know the
severity of the of the cut. But it would hurt horribly.
I'm sure to try to block a punt with a
hand that has a bad cut recovered that you were
still recovering from. So he has that all bandaged up,
but he blocked it with his good hand. So he
made sure that yep, yep, exactly all right. So now
now we go to waas, Yes, Wiggins has the big pick.
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Before we break that down and just his game overall.
I thought an interesting note that Harba made on him
was was they watched some film together going into that
game last week, and I thought Nate was was pretty
good against the Bills, but not as didn't play at
his absolute best, and so I think he took a
hard look at ways he could improve. And it comes
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back to like what he said to us on the podcast,
which is like trusting his technique and sticking to that
technique and not just trying to play off of instincts,
which is what he felt like he did too much
as a rookie, and so I think he did more
of that in this game, and then he made the
most of it when he got the interception. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
I thought what was notable about his interception was the
communication aspect of it. Yeah, you know, he's covering the
wide receiver kind of deep and then releases him to
Kyle Hamilton in the deep, deep part of the field,
and that enabled him to kind of play the ball.
You know, he's playing in space at that point, and
then to cut underneath that that Joe Flacco was scrambling
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rolling to his right, run away from Roquan by the way,
and he'll advise pass. But like just just good communication.
Like you like to see Nate doing the right things,
not just like, Okay, you're playing on an island, how
can you match that guy one on one, Which Nate
has the athleticism to do that if he plays his
technique right, but like also now playing within the framework
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of the defense and communication to have that kind of
coverage and then just to make the play. You know,
we saw Nate drop too many interceptions last year. He
was kind of chiding himself this offseason for that the missedybortunities,
and said he wanted to make the most of them.
Get double digit takeaways this year. Hey, get a pick
in your second game, That's that's pretty darn good. He
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also just like has a thing for picking off the Browns. Yeah,
what it is Brown's at home. Yes, sign Nate wiggings
up for a pick.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Yeah, put him out for a pick every one of
those games. The funny thing, too, is I still do
I still can't believe he didn't score on the play.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
It's always tough.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
When a guy like makes a great play and then
people start clowning him for like not getting the You're like,
come on, the guy just had like sixty yard return.
We're starting to complain about not scoring the touchdown. But like,
Nate might be the fastest guy on the team pure speed.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
He ran a four to two forty.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah, And how somehow Joel Patonio brought him down at
the end of that play, like I thought.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
I think Joel Button was like on the ground at
the start of it too.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I think he had to get it up And I understand,
like you, I watched it back on film. There's a
point where Nate sees green grass and he breaks through
there and I'm like, oh, he's gone.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah, and Tony closing speed. We're gonna have to check
next gen SATs on Potonio.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Maybe maybe he also runs a fourth too.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
I'm not sure his combined forty so anyway, I think
that like I think Nate Wiggans.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
I've said it before.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
I think he's got He's He was my pick for
breakout player and to lead the team of picks, and
I stand by that. I just think that this is
a guy that like he's gonna make plays this year.
I think he's gonna play at a really high level,
and I think that he's going to establish himself as
one of the best corners in football before the season's
all said and done.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Yep. So to kind of the flip side of you know,
one of the things that on film didn't look as
great was the run game. Obviously, the Ravens had trouble
running the ball, which is you don't say that often,
we don't we don't say that too much on these
film breakdown podcasts. When I went back and looked at it,
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I mean the Ravens had a math problem on a
number of those runs. I mean, not enough blockers for
how many guys were in the box for the Browns.
And those guys weren't just bystanders in the box. They're
they're coming down hill and triggering fast like you see
it on the film, like they I mean, they're just
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run blitzing basically and I think especially it was tough
not to have Ricard in this game to kind of
be able to stand up to that pressure immediately. You know,
I think it was a tough assignment for Charlie Kohler.
Tough obviously on the tackles with you know, you got
Miles Garrett on the other side. You have some some
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good defensive players up front. Mason Graham, their first round pick,
certainly had one good play for a loss of four
yards where he just kind of knifed into the backfield.
And I think it was the Ravens need to be
able to block better than they did. But also, like
when you see how aggressively the Browns were in terms
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of personnel and just the way that they were playing it,
you also it's understandable that Ravens had trouble running the ball.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Look, Jim Schwartz is this is his defense, Like, this
is the type of aggressive play calling that he is
known for, and and he creates those math problems. You
you packed the box to slow down Derrick Henry, and
you also have maybe the best defensive player in football
and Miles Garrett, Like it's just gonna be hard to run.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
And I think that feast famine, Like if you crack that,
Like if you have pat Riccard up there and you
crack one of those, Yeah, they don't. They don't have
much in the secondary to slow down Derrick Henry, He's
gone and uh, or you get one of those tosses outside. Now,
the Ravens, I thought in the second half they did
start doing a little bit more outside run more toss
with Derrick Henry, which had a little bit more success.
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But you get one of those toss on the outside
and they're run blitzing up the middle, he might he
might go, and so like it's feast or famine. They
kind of feasted, you know, they they were able to
get in the Ravens backfield and really disrupt it. But hey,
these two teams face off later in the year. Would
not shock me if Derrick Henry goes off for two
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long touchdowns, Like that's just kind of how it works.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Right And And honestly, I don't know if this is
at all part of their game plan going into it,
but they may have been like, we can't just let
them bleed us slow all game long with with five
seven yard runs, like we get it's either shut it
down or give up the big play like feast. Basically,
they may have been okay with the feast or famine
approach because like that would be their best opportunity to
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have success in this game.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Not sure if that's the case.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
But I just think that's who they are.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Yeah, that's that could also just be part of this
is their identity.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Yeah, that's and and and basically like okay, if you
if if you can't slow down Derrick Henry and you're
dealing with Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson, you're in trouble, right,
give me one or the other. You can't handle both.
You just can't.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
So try to stop one and just force them to pass,
and yep, and and see if that see if you
can live with the results there.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Of course, the most you know, the quarterback with the
highest passer rating in NFL history. Pass. It doesn't sound good,
but it might be your best.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Yeah. It goes back to what a lot of guys
are saying last year was just pick your poison.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
And that's what we saw when we're talking about the
offensive line. Though, I do want to give Roger Rosengarten
a shout out. He's the only player in the NFL
to not allow a pressure in at least thirty pass
pro snaps so far in the whole league. So like,
from a pass pro standpoint, I think the Ravens are
doing a pretty darn good job. And give credit where
credit's due. Rogers had fifty five pass per snaps and
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so like, I think that in year two, Rogers doing
a pretty darn good job.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Yeah, I'm encouraged by I think he's just a good player.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
I think that's he's holding up and you want to
see a little bit. You want to see like the
run game break free a little bit more than it
did it on Sunday, But him in that assignment holding
up well in pass protection I think is good.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
And like you know, Miles Garrett's gonna get some wins,
like how it is, and he got some of this
against the Ravens offensive lineman and Ronnie Stanley included, like
he's the best, he might be the best defensive player
in the league.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
He's gonna get his wins.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
He's gonna win some. So that was part of the
problem I think for the Ravens in the run game
and pass pro against the Browns. One thing I do
want to talk about is the Ravens wide receivers, and
we talked about that passing game. I mean, hey, first,
Devontes Walker, when I go back and watch his two touchdowns,
this guy's just too fast. He's just too fast for
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defensive backs. I mean it wasn't like you you watch
his routes and it wasn't like, Okay, he ran a
decisive route, good play design, you know, particularly on his
longer touchdown, the second one, but like the first one
was just a kind of a crosser in the back
of the end zone. He just ran away from the
defensive back that was Cameron Mitchell, who by the way,
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ran a four to four to seven at the combine
camera Mitchell. So like, not a slow guy. Devonte's is
just too fast for him. You just can't catch up
to him. He gets a step on you and you
can't catch up. And then on his long touchdown, same
same deal. This one's going against Miles Harden and you
know he got he was a step behind and he's gone. Yeah,
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And so like, I just think you also look at
the matchups that he's gonna be getting against these defensive backs,
Like when you have Zay Flowers for Shaan Bateman. Yeah,
DeAndre Hopkins like devontees Walker is gonna get some nice
matchups in terms of if you're gonna try to go
which they're not gonna double Devantez Walker, but he's gonna
get some one on ones against their third or fourth corner. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Okay, well you mentioned the Browns.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
dB ran four four seven, Tez ran four three six
in the forty so he's got a step on him, he's.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Got playing speed.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
But what I what I like about this from him
is like he's he did this a ton of college
where and they were just like, all right, go run
nine routes. Just just run deep and we'll throw you
the ball sometimes and you'll probably make a handful of plays,
but like that's that's how we're gonna use you. And
for him to come up with plays in the red
zone and like get open and more a more condensed
portion of the field, I think shows development as a
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receiver as a route runner.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Sure, I agree. It wasn't like it wasn't like some
sudden route from him or like a comeback. I mean,
it was like a long it was kind of it
was a crosser in the back of the end zone
where he just ran through the guy, you know, and
so like past the guy, I should say, and so
like that stuff like and we saw that all summer
him on shallow crossers, deep crossers, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Tough.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
You just have to when you're when you're maneuvering on
the end zone, you got to be picking your way
sometimes exactly, you have to have a little bit more
of a feel and then just hey, just go run deep,
show off the speed. And I think that like that
development from him and then and then you make the
play when it's there, like he makes the play in
the back of the end zone, and I think that
that's encouraging. As we all know, three catches, three touchdowns,
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and like, I mean, if if there's so many weapons
on this offense, if you're if you're now we're at
a point where we're talking about Tess Walker and Tylan
Wallace being guys you got to worry about in the
end zone. It's like where where does the defensive coordinator
stop for their planning. There's just like so many guys
you got to worry about, and so it's encouraging to
see that from Tes.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Well. The the interesting thing is, like defensive coordinators are
not going to spend many hours like planning for devontees Walker,
it's just not you got the checks is going to
take up the majority, Derrick Henry Zay, you know, all
those guys that you're planning for. But then like when
you you're throwing in a number four three whatever, you
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know between Thailand, Uh, DeAndre Dhap and Devantes three through
five whatever, they're all making place. However, you want to
know that game exactly, and so like when you're throwing
him in there with the as fast as he is,
with like the tools that he has, Yeah, like that's
tough to stop because you're not planning for it, and
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they all.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Bring something different. Yeah, that's what's also kind of cool
about it. They're not the same player.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Oh they all three right exactly. Tailand's like your possession
received kind of guy, like very he's just mister reliable.
I really like Tyler Wallace. I'm glad he the Ravens
run back and then and then t hop obviously with
the contested catches. Yeah, there are three very different weapons
for the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Well.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
DeAndre Hopkins has been as advertised am Moore in his
first two Ravens games, like, I mean, here's a crazy thing.
He only played ten snaps in this game. Ten snaps,
two ridiculous catches, one of them for touchdown, one of
them that it was a touchdown, and then they call
back down at the half yard line. But like, this
dude is making ridiculous catches and every time he's on
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the field, now, like you got to worry about is
this gonna be some sort of ridiculous catch that he
can make? And I think that, like it doesn't take
a film expert to understand.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
What's going on with him.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Done his whole career, He's done his whole career. Throw
the ball up to him and he goes and makes place.
And if it's a ball that's in the air and
he's winning one on one coverage, he's gonna win that
battle more times than not. What I really like is
that Lamar Jackson clearly trust him already, like he is
given him opportunities on that play that was initially a
touchdown that was wiped off, like Lamar saw one on
one coverage between d Hop and the defender and was like,
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I'm just gonna give my guy an opportunity to make
a play.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
By the way, ridiculous play by Lamar Jackson there, Yeah,
I mean he's like scrambling around in the backfield. I
mean it was like a classic Lamar play of him
making something out of nothing. Scrambled around, scrambled around on
the move. What was it at some yard pass? Yeah,
I mean ridiculous forty one yard pass on the move,
just like flicks it balls on the money. Yeah. And
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again credit to de hot for making the play. I mean,
defensive back played it as well as he could. But
like great throw, great catch, Yeah, ridiculous play. Dee hops
caught four balls this year, three for touchdowns and that's right.
I said three for touchdowns because that one should have
been a touchdown and the.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Other one too, Like the one catcher not mentioning was
critical moment third and ten on that final drive in Buffalo.
That wasn't like a big play, but it just showed
the big moment, like he's on the field, he got
the ball and the biggest play of that game.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
So like this is what this is kind of best
case scenario I think for what we would have hoped
DeAndre Hopkins would be when the Ravens signed him. Yeah,
a guy that can show up in big moments, contested catches,
be a red zone threat, but not just I mean
he's catching the ball fifty yard bombs, forty our bombs.
It's not just the red zone threat. He's an end
zone target and someone that Lamar Jackson trust. He's all
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of those things.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Now, the conversation that's spinning out of all of this
is like, Okay, you have all these weapons, d hops
only getting ten snaps. Mark Andrews has really not had
a big impact through the first two games at all,
nor is Charlie Kohler from a receiving standpoint, Like, you
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have these like star players who just starn't having a
huge impact yet.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
Yeah, we kind of have the conversation in training camp,
like who could be the odd man out with DeAndre Hopkins' arrival.
So far it's been Mark Andrews and Rashad Bateman. From
a production standpoint, those guys haven't put up big numbers.
I think John Harball was asked about it, and I
actually thought his answer was a pretty honest answer. He's like, basically,
it's two games. If there were six games into the season,
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and this is the posture for the tight ends at
that point, Like, let's have a conversation at that point. Yeah,
but it's two games, and honestly, you go back last year,
it was a similar conversation with Mark Andrews early in
the season ends up leading all tight ends and touchdowns
last year.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
So like, I'm not going to overreact.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
I'm a little surprised, if I'm being honest with Andrews
because Isaiah likely it's not on the field right now,
and so I would not have predicted the stat line
for him after two games. But I also if he's
able to hold onto that ball in the end zone,
which Grant Delpit popped out and made a really nice
play on, it's kind of a different conversation today. No
one's talking about how it's been a quiet start to
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the season for Andrews because he had a touchdown on
that play. Like, that's the margin that we're talking about.
So I'm not like pushing the panic button or necessarily
thinking that this is a sign of things to come.
I think it goes back to the pick your point
and who are you prepping for, and Lamar Jackson spreads
the ball around whoever's open, and that's how this offense
is built to run.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Yeah, now, I do think that the Ravens offense certainly
once Isaiah likely is on the field. He returned to
practice last Friday, so I would think he has a chance,
certainly to play Monday night against the Detroit Lions. That
adds another weapon. I mean you talk about yards after
catch all that Isaiah likely brings, Like, this offense gets
another another piece of the puzzle, which now it's like,
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oh my gosh, okay, yeah, another mouth to feed in
this offense. We already have too many thousands to feed
in air quotes, you can ever have too many. But like,
I think that's gonna make this offense even more dynamic.
I think Mark he I'm sure once that touchdown that
got popped out of his hands back like you know,
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he's got to protect that ball, get down to the
turf and that probably doesn't get punched out, you know.
But like Mark knows that, Mark's gonna be fine. I'm
not worried about Mark. He's gonna he's gonna score. He's
gonna get his and score and you know, his days
of being the latest Ravens leading wide receiver are probably
done at this point. You know, Zay Flowers is going
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to be the ra Ravens leading receiver. He's awesome, He's
in the prime of his career, But like, is Mark
Andrews gonna make some big clutch plays for this team
and catch a bunch of balls and touchdowns. Yep, yep,
don't doubt it.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
Totally agree with that.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
So and I think that there's just there's so many
weapons on this offense that it's it can be a
different guy every week. When we were going into the
game against Cleveland, I don't think we mentioned devontees Walker
going into that game on our preview podcast, or maybe
even Tiland. Wall scores two touchdowns, t has had two touchdowns,
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Tiland had another, So like it can be a different
guy any week, and I think that's what makes his
team in this offense so dangerous.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
So, as always, we'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Email us at the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot
net let us know your thoughts with this game coming
up against the Detroit Lions on Thank you so much
for listening, and we'll be back with you later this week.
Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Minky
with Garrett Downing and we're gonna take a deeper look
into the Ravens week to win over the Cleveland Browns,
as well as talk about some of the early news
this week as the Ravens get set to face the
Detroit Lions on Monday Night Football. So, Garrett, a couple
of days removed from the ravens big win over Cleveland,
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what stands out to.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
You, honestly, what really was like the story for me
coming out of this game is the way that the
Ravens got significant contributions from guys for a little bit
under the radar and how important that is in being
a successful team. And like you can just look at it,
basically four scores were really set up by special teams
or defense. One of them just was accomplished by defense,
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and that was Rokwand Smith. Now he's under the radar player,
but you had a defensive You had an interception from
Nate Wings to put you in a great position, You
had the touchdown by Rokwand Smith, and then on special
teams you had a nice return by Lejonte Western and
you had a block punt by Jay Kummele, Like four
plays up put the offense in a really good position
and then going back to the under the radar thing
like tes Walker pair of touchdowns DeAndre Hopkins. Not a
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big game, big name of Hall of Famer, but not
a guy that's like he's not he's not playing. The
majority of snaps had ten snaps to Wallace. Tylon Wallace,
thank you, like the the list.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Wallace also like, don't forget that he also recovered Derrick
Henry's fumble in the play before his touchdown. Yeah, he
doesn't recover that fumble. You know, early early momentum in
that game shifts totally.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
So like I think the Ravens have there's no doubt,
like they have the top bend star power. They have
Lamar Jackson, they have Derrick Henry, they have five first
round picks in the secondary, Like they have star power
on this team. But I really do think that, like
if the Ravens are going to be a team that
goes deep in the playoffs when we get to January,
you're gonna talk about players who come up from under
the radar and make plays and clutch moments and and
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it's not always the stars that end up it's guys
who can come up and make big plays in big moments,
and I think it's encouraging to see the Ravens get
some of that early on in the season.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Well, when you talk about having the NFL's best roster,
it isn't just the front line players, and the Ravens
have a lot of those. They have a lot of stars,
but it also goes to the Ravens depth. And I
think to what you're speaking to, you know, the Ravens
have a ton of depth, and you look on offense
and you know, the tight ends haven't had a big contribution.
You know, DeAndre Hopkins isn't playing a ton of snaps
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like and yet they're still getting guys like tedz Walker,
you know, and Tyler Wallace making these big plays, right,
And then beyond that, to me, it's you have to
have multiple ways to win. And the offense wasn't particularly
as sharp early in this game, especially right and when
the offense was kind of a little slow getting out
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of the gates, especially in the running game. You know, Okay,
we won with our special teams and with defense, which
you look at forty one points on the final scoreboard,
it doesn't look like the offense had a bad day.
But like, sometimes you know, it's not gonna be clicking
on all cylinders right away, especially when you're facing a
really good defense like the Cleveland Browns have. And to
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see the Ravens kind of pivot and win a game
against a tough division foe in a different way with
defense and special teams kind of getting getting them over
the hump early on when it was a really close,
tight game and then okay, all right, you give the
offense extra possessions and bang, bang bang bang bang, it
catches fire twenty one points in the fourth quarter, you know,
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And so like it's honestly like and to the offense
is credit. Okay, being able to win when you're not
running the ball, well, can you still win that way? Yep? Right,
you know Lamar Jackson throws four touchdown passes, right, And
so I think like the ability to win with different
formulas is also really important as well as what you're
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talking about, to win with different players.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, I think it's a great point. Like if you
go back to the twenty nineteen Ravens and that team
was awesome.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
They were the number one.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Seed in the AFC, going to that postseason and that
was such a fun year. But that team like really
had one formula, which was like they were a dominant
rushing attack.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
They would get up early, they would.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Dominate the time of possession, they would play really sound defense,
and like they would bleed teams because they would just run.
They would run, run, run, and it was hard. It
was hard to stop that. Nobody really stopped it. But
like they weren't really a team that was like built
to come from behind or win in different ways in
the way that like, this team is built to win
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in so many different so many different ways. And I
think that like that really just serves you well. Like
if you're a well rounded team and there's a day
that like the running game isn't working well, but you
can still put up forty one points. Okay, now you're
in a really good position.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Well let's let's be honest about it. It's because Lamar
Jackson is a is a better quarterback, a much better
quarterback that he wasn't twenty nineteen when, oh, by the way,
he won MVP. Just it is Lamar Jackson right now,
as it stands, has the highest quarterback rating in NFL
history for a career. He surpassed Aaron Rodgers this past weekend.
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He's the statistically, you know, you can put there's a
ton of metrics out there to grade quarterbacks with, but
quarterback rating is kind of the standard. Statistically, he's the
best passing quarterback in NFL history by that metric, right,
which is a very popular metric. Yeah, and so that's crazy.
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I mean, that's crazy when you go back and think
about what the kind of player Lamar Jackson was coming
out of college and now he was a much better
passor than people gave him credit for at the time.
But he's become a much better passer since entering the NFL.
And like, and oh, by the way, he's a career
rushing yards leader by quarterbacks in NFL history. So like,
I mean, it's preposterous the level to which Lamar Jackson's playing.
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And he's thrown ten more touchdown passes that have traveled
ten air yards or more than any quarterback in the
NFL since the beginning of the last season. So like,
he's just he's just playing at such a high level.
And uh, you know, even when he came out of
the gates a little bit slow against the Browns, you
look back at it at the end, you're like, Lamar
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threw four.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Touchdowns, right, four touchdown Town's ridiculous, I know.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
And that's like I've said this before, but I think
something that is just glossed over with him because like
the highlight reel plays are what stand out. But what
what really doesn't get enough he doesn't get enough credit
for is his ability to protect the football.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Like he doesn't. He does not throw interceptions. He just doesn't.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And like knocking on some wood, I know, I know,
but like he like he's been he has not been
an interception pron quarterback in his career.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
He is not.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I mean last year was.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
His efficiency is through the roof.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
And that's why when you look at the quarterback rating,
he's his passer rating is the best ever because he's
so good at protecting the football and being efficient with
it and then of course capitalizing. It's like it is
crazy when you like, there's no doubt that he's the
best running quarterback of all time, Like I don't think
that's really much of.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
A debate that many people would have.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
And when you look at this, it's like passer rating wise,
he's the best.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Well, now now you're getting into an honest debate about
where Lamar Jackson ranks among the best throwing quarterbacks of
all time.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
So I mean, yeah, you're getting into that.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
That's a legitimate debate at this point. Yeah, well, look
n at all they want, but look at the numbers.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah. John Harwall said before last season, like the hope
is that he's going to go down is the best
to ever do it? And like that that was something
that I think a lot of people kind of Oh
that caught some people's attention when he made that comment
going into last season. But when you when you really
consider all Lamar does, I think it's it's justified.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Of course. Of course that debate is going to come
down to ranks.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah, that's like exactly, that's the debate that That's what
John Harwall said, Like you talk about the best quarterback
to ever do it. Yeah, yeah, he's gonna win the
the super Bowl. I mean that's we've known that. That's
that's the whole conversation around Lamar. But like more nuanced,
I think a new interesting conversation is like, just in
terms of passing, how good a passer he is? Where's
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Lamar Jackson rank h pretty darn good.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Well, right now, he's got the past, like you said,
best passer writing in NFL history, So I'll just we'll
just stick to that number. We'll just go by that
with that number, and that's that's a pretty good spot
to be in. So those are some of my initial
thoughts from that game and just the way that Lamar
has played. We also want to dive into just some
of the other news of the week here early on
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the downside of that game is some of the injury updates.
Kyle van Ney left the game with a hamstring injury.
Marlon Humphrey left the game with a groin injury. For
for van Ney, the reports are that he could miss
multiple weeks. That's what multiple reports are suggesting. With Marlon Humphrey.
There's not been anything that's really come out from any
definitive timeline publicly in the media. John Harball was asked
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about it during his press commence on Monday and basically
was like, I'm not giving any updates. That's not the
time of the year where we're getting into that. It's
these guys are We'll wait and see.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
He said, they're not anything season ending, yes, So.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Somewhere between, no misstime and season ending, Like it's somewhere
in that range exactly. If Kyle van Noy is sidelined
and he missed a good portion of that game on
Sunday against the Browns, I think we're gonna see more
on my Green, the rookie. I think he's the guy
that steps into more of a prominent role in that
outside linebacker mix.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah, I mean that it would be a tough loss
for the Ravens as good as I think Mike Green
is and as excited I am as I am about him,
Ben Kyle Annoy is a very good player led the
Ravens and sacks last year, So like let's not gloss
over if he's missing from Monday Night football against the
Lions or beyond. That's a tough loss. I mean you
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talk about not only just like production, but also like
in terms of just knowing how to play right. I mean,
like like he helps set up other guys for plays also
because he just has a knack and feel for the game.
And so I like you talk about combo rushes, like stunts, picks,
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all those kind of things, like Kyle van Noy in
terms of like just raw ability at this stage of
his career, like Mike Green if you're just going one
on one, Like, I don't know. I'm not gonna sit
here and say Mike Green's better one on one, but
like in terms of feel for the game and being
able to run those combos and all that stuff, like
Kyle van Noyd knows it, and so I if he's missing,
I think certainly that that hurts the Ravens defense.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, Fannois, I mean, he's one of the veteran leaders
of this team, especially on defense, and losing him would
be a tough blow. Like I think the Ravens have
we're excited about my Green. Tavius Robinson is a guy
in that outside linebacker mix, so I think is a
really good player. A Dafey always been quiet out of
the gate, but you know he's.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
He had he had a good game.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I thought he hasn't got to the quarterback yet, that's correct.
No sacks, Yeah, but he's been he's been quiet, a
little bit quiet. The guy who also then probably held
in the wise can held steps into the lineup honestly,
is David Ajabo, who's been a healthy scratch these first
two games. And so if van Noy's out, then you're
probably looking at David Ajab will be in a game
day active. How many snaps he plays, we'll see, but
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I think that he would be somebody and then steps
into the lineup.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
That's correct, Yeah, that's what I would expect. But Mike
Green would play a prominent role.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Right from a snap standpoint, yep.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yep, And there's the possibility, you know. John Harball was
asked about could Trenton Simpson potentially play a little outside linebacker.
He's had fewer inside linebacker snaps as Teddy Buchannan's kind
of taken over the lead job there, you know. John
Horball said Trenton could play maybe a little sam which
which is that position right in some of the Ravens
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packages that Kyle van Noy plays, But I don't expect
that in the immediate.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
The other injury, well, I guess I'm Marlin just in
terms of what happens. I mean, obviously, if Marl Humphrey's
not there, that's gonna be another big loss that's significant,
Like that's he's one of the best players in the
secondary and he's your starting nickel. I mean, like he's
he's the starting corner in any bit package. But he's
really your slot corner, and that's where the Ravens have
primarily been using him this year. He does that better
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than anybody else on the team. So if he's if
he's out, then what's the replacement do they go with
one of the young guys?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
It's probably Keon Martin. I mean, the undrafted rookie is
like the closest thing to a true nickel corner that
the Ravens have on the roster behind Marlin. And obviously
you can play Kyle Hamilton a little bit more in
the slot. I think with the Detroit Lions come in
to town, it's gonna be pretty matchup heavy, you know,
I mean, got Lee, They are stacked with offensive weapons.
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I'm and Ross Saint Brown just scored three touchdowns. Jameson
Williams is a huge big play threat. You know. They
they have a lot of weapons. Sam Laporter at tight end,
the running backs they have Daved Montgomery and jamieer Gibbs,
and so you know, maybe some of that is matchup dependent,
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but this is not the week that you want to
be without Marlon Humphrey with that passing attack coming down.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Well, the other one who would step into the lineup
most likely is JAHI Alexander. He was scratched last week.
John Harble basically described it as he's getting in football shape.
Keep in mind, this is a guy who missed the
majority of training camp. He had he had knee surgery
in the offseason back in January, so he's been working
back rehabbing from that. Was on the field a little
bit early in camp, then missed a month, then practiced
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for three days and played against the Bills and did
not have a great game against the Bills. So last
week was an opportunity for him to practice and continue
to just get right, get his body right, and so
he Harbaugh said, Jay is going to play sooner or
other than later, and that sooner maybe this week against Lines,
especially if Marlon Humphrey's out.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Certainly wouldn't surprise me. If Kyle van Noy and Marlon
Humphrey can't play, that the two guys who were healthy
scratches last week, David to Jabo and JayR Alexander, we're
both active.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah, So I think that that's and then and then
Kean Martin is another interesting one from a slot corner standpoint.
He made you know, he was one of the big
stories at the end of training camp as an undrafted
guy who ends up making the team, and he could
end up playing significant snaps. That'd be a big assignment
for an undrafted rookie. Monday night football against an offense
and just put up a fifty.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Burger certainly would be But yeah, I don't know who
who necessarily plays nickel. I mean, Jay, You're ain't a
nickel Cheeto is not really a nickel corner. He's outside.
Wiggins is outside boundary corner.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
TJ. Tampa's really been an outside boundary corner.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah, so like you're you're looking at some combination of
Kyle Hamilton Malachi could maybe play in there a little
bit if you need to, you know, like they don't
have a lot of nickel options.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yeah, so it might be key on Martin if if
called upon. Yeah, if Marlin's this is that time. A
couple of the injury notes. Patrick Ricard got an update
on him. He was somebody like a start of the
season kind of surprising. He wasn't out there really Week
one for practice against the Bills and then missed us
has not practiced for a while now, about a month
dealing with cat foe. So John Harboll said that that
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recovery has been slower than the team hoped, didn't describe
it as a setback, but did say that it's been
slower going than the Ravens expected and hoped. And so
when he is back on the field, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I mean, you talk about the Ravens rushing attack having
troubles against the Browns, would would have liked. I think
Patrick Coriokcard would have changed the calculus a little bit there. Sure,
you know you talk about just a guy up front. Now, Now,
the Ravens ran the ball up and down the field
against the Bills, so it's not impossible they can run
the ball without Patrick gard Bey in the lineup. But
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nobody's going to sit here and say that missing a
Pro Bowl or you know, you'd be better off having
your Pro Bowl fullback helping to clear the way.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Yeah, I'm not gonna be like aho ho you miss
Patrick Carl.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
There's a reason that he's one of the best in
the league of what he does, maybe the best in
the league at what he does exactly.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
So hopefully, you know, he gets on the practice field
this week. If he does, then you feel a lot
better about his chances. Obviously, Monday night.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, I mean, if he doesn't practice this week, then
you're not feeling good about that. But I think that
the fact that he didn't go on into reserves suggests
that he would be he would be in the lineup
somewhere within the first four games, because if you went
on ir to start the season, he was.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Out the first four.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
But I think, however, the fact that this has been
a slower going recovery process and the Ravens anticipated throws
that timeline a little bit up in the air.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Exactly right, exactly they might have thought when they were
setting the fifty three man roster originally that he was
definitely going to be back within the four first four weeks.
I mean, what was it a week ago or so?
John Harwall said like, yeah, there's a chance that pat
Ricard returns to practice last week. Yeah, and he did not.
You know that he was hopeful and expecting that he
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could come back on Wednesday or whatever. Yeah, did So
it's just take longer than they hope. And that's to
bummer for all parties totally.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Now in terms of the injury front, I mean, the
biggest news on the injury front in the division this
week is actually outside of this building that we should mention.
Joe Burrow, Bengals quarterback, goes down with the turf toe injury,
has surgery. He's out for three months, might miss the
rest of the season, depending on how his recovery goes.
I mean that changes the AFC North. Joe Burrow is
one of the best players in football, and having him
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sidelined completely changes this division. Now, he went down to
the game on Sunday and Jake Browning came in. He's
a very capable backup, and still Jamar Chase had a
huge day and the Bengals ended up coming back to
win that game. So Browning is a capable backup. But
like Joe, Burrow is one of the best quarterbacks in football,
and losing him does change this division drastically.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Absolutely. I think that this certainly puts the Ravens in,
you know, if they weren't already in the driver's seat,
which they're not standing wise, but you know, the Ravens
are going to be even more heavily favored than when
they a North after this century. There's no way sends
or butts about it. And I think the Bengals are
kind of you know, I think that they can still
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certainly win a number of games with Jake Browning. I mean,
we went four and three as their starter in twenty
twenty three after Joe Burrow went down and kept them
kind of in the playoff chase yea that year. They
ended up missing it, but they were they were close,
and so yeah, I think he's one of the better
backup quarterbacks. And let's be honest, you have those wide receivers,
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you're in pretty good shape right now. The Bengals have
offensive issues of their own protection being at the top
of that protecting. You know, can they protect Jake Browning?
You know, they haven't protected Joe Burrow very well, and
so I think that that's gonna it's gonna be tough.
It's gonna be tough for them to stay a top
the AFC North as they are now. But I do
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think that they're gonna remain in the playoff mix. I
think they're gonna be a tough out. Plus, the big
thing for them is their defense has kind of led
them in both of their wins so far. Certainly in
their Week one win against the Browns, the defense really
put the handcuffs on on Cleveland, and then with turnovers
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against the Jags. You know, that's really was their formula
for their Week two wins. So if the defense continues
to play at a significantly higher level and you get
Jake Browning playing at an adequate level with those wide receivers,
you know, still making plays out on the outside, Okay,
you can win some games of that formula.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, it does look like the Ravens will likely miss
Burrow in both of their matchups. Again, he might miss
the rest of the season, we'll see. It's being described
as the three month recovery process, which would be mid December.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I would be very, very surprised if Joe Burrow plays
another game this season.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, it certainly seems like it's trending in that direction.
And so again that changes the division quickly. Before we
dive back the film from the game on Sunday, a note,
an interesting note, the Lions picked up Maliite Cunningham on
their practice squad this week. Malie Cunningham was here for
a few years, former college quarterback and then has been
a wide receiver for the Ravens the past couple of years,
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spent training camp here in Baltimore. He of course replaced
you go back to Louisville his college days. He replaced
Lamar Jackson at Louisville, And so I'd be curious. I
wonder how the Lions are planning to use Elite Cunningham
this week.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
I'm sure they're gonna use him as their scout quarterback.
He's gonna be He's gonna be Lamar Jackson. He's gonna
be wearing number eight, the number eight jersey out there
in Detroit.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Wouldn't surprise me.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Oh, that's for sure, what's gonna be happened. That's sure.
That's why they picked him, because.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
He's been a wide receiver in the past two years
here in Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah, but he's if old.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
I mean, if there's anybody that can simulate Lamar Jackson
in like how Lamar you know and this offense, like
knows how this offense operates, it's the closest thing is
probably Elite Cunningham. Yeah right, I mean, he knows his
offense very well, and he now he's not Lamar Jackson,
of course, what's about that? Yeah, But like you're looking
for the closest parody, and so that's that's why I
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expect the Lions picked him up.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, it was an interesting that one caught my attention.
Uh to see that move so well.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
The Ravens picked up their own Malik on the practice
squad yep, bringing back Maleek Cam. It's true Lak versus Maleak. Yeah,
Ultimore native exactly. So happy to see Malik Cam come back.
And you do wonder, you know, with Kyle van Noy
if you were to miss some time, is there a
chance that Malee Cam could be activated for the game
day from the practice squad. Now, like we said, David
Ajaba has been a healthy scratch, I would anticipate probably
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a jabo, but some more depth there in case of
Van Noy.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yep, So I think that that is it's I also
like Milee Cam. This is a guy who made the
team as an and drafted rookie, got a great story,
and so excited to see him get another opportunity to
be back here on the practice squad.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
So we'll take a quick break.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
When we come back, we'll take a deeper look into
the film and give you some other thoughts from the game.
On Sunday, you're listening to the last podcast, We're coming
to you from the Sea Geek Studio.
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I think that a good starting point is Rokwan Smith.
This dude was everywhere. He was flying all over the field.
Fifteen tackles, three tackles for loss, a scoop and score touchdown.
When and when you go back and look at that touchdown, man,
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he picked it up and he turned on the Jets
for about fifteen yards, and he said that after the
game he was like, I had a quick burst and
then I backed it off as I cruised him to
the end zone. But when you go back and look
at it, like he turned on the Jets for his
first few strides after picking up that football to give
himself a clear pathway.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Oh yeah, I didn't know who Quon was that fat
He hit nineteen point zero six miles per hour, yeah,
wearing the next sen stats. Yeah, that's the fastest he's
run in three years.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah, I mean he really he was moving and when
he picked up that ball, so I thought that was
you know, I thought that was nice to see he.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Went back to those running back days.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
He did, he said he played, he played high school
running back, went back those running back days in Making County, Georgia.
And then he ran right into his family and gave
them the ball in the end zone, which is a
pretty cool moment for him. But when you looked at
the tape on Roquan like that play aside, what stood
out to you?
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I mean, so like instinctive and just like triggering incredibly fast.
I mean, that's that's who Roquan is. But so it's
like it's nothing like new that I saw on tape
where it's like wow, okay, like no he could do
that other than maybe the speed on the return, but
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like the rest of it was just like dominance from
start to finish. And it's kind of interesting. You know,
our cameras for Ravens Wire caught a moment between Roquan
and ray Lewis before the game in the pregame huddle
or pregame tunnel, and you know, a kind of in
his year and four quarters, four quarters, you know, you
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got to get this team playing four quarters, and Rowe
you know, of course agreeing with that and uh and
he showed it on the field. I mean, I thought
it was interesting that Ken mcusick h compared it to
you know, some of the most iconic Ray Lewis performances
of his of his day. Yeah, and just that level
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of dominance. I mean, Rokwon was just on everything and
everyone immediately.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
He was awesome. And I said this in our post
game reaction podcast. I thought that, like some of the
criticism of him, especially coming out of the Buffalo game,
was was really unfair and overblown in my view. Like,
I thought he was pretty good against Buffalo outside of
that one miscap tackle on James Cook that was like
the one bad play that he had in that game
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that stood out, But like I thought, he was overall
pretty good. And then he just carried that into this
where he played awesome, Like he played like the best
life background football on Sunday, which I think he's capable
of doing it, and like.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
This, he keeps this up, He's going to be in
that Defensive Player of Year conversation as long as the
Ravens defense fares well overall, because it's the splash plays.
You return a fumble for a touchdown, yep, to splash play, right.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
You have fifteen tackles, you have three tackles for loss,
like you all those things cat catch people's attention. And
you mentioned the moment with ray Lewis that that was
really cool just make I want to remind fans Ravens
Wired comes out Wednesday night, and this was one of
many many cool moments in this episode of Ravens Wired,
which you can watch on YouTube as well as our website.
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And it's just like ray Lewis is firing up Rokuan
in that moment, and like Ray's been around here plenty
of times, but it's been cool to see him at
some pretty big like junctures at points this year. Like
him he went to the Buffalo game, there was that
point training camp, he came out here and he was
like working with the guys on the field.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
To a certain degree.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
He's firing up Roquan in the tunnel before taking the
Like it's it's been cool to see ray Lewis's impact
on this team and just continue building on the legacy
that is established here.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Well, ray Lewis is key card to get into the
building always works. Yes, come on whenever you want, Yeah,
you want to talk the guys, come on out. Oh,
he's always welcome. Well.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I also want to get your take on the guy
playing next to Roquan Smith, Teddy Buchanan, the rookie fourth
round pick. He saw a big snap increase. He basically
took that that that job, that starting job next to
Roquan Smith. Him and Trenton Simpson shared that mostly week one.
Buchanan had an increase in snaps in week two and
play the majority there. But he's looked pretty good as
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a fourth round pick who stepped into a huge role
early in this season.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yeah, when I look at the film from Teddy, I
just think that he's he's in the right spots, doing
the right things. You know. He just he doesn't look
like a rookie linebacker who's like his head is spinning
and he doesn't know what he's looking at. He's he's
doing the right stuff. And now, like when Roquon's next
to you, and you see the difference between a veteran
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pro bowler like Roquon and Teddy, Like Roquan triggers on
stuff immediately like he sees it and he immediately pulls
the trigger. Teddy like you can see he sees it,
but he's not quite as like just you know, quick
to trust his instincts and go after it as Roquon is,
which is certainly understandable, you know. And I think just
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from like a hey, your body and physicality like Teddy
Teddy's you know, he's taking some mumps in there. He's
taking on some big blockers. Who are you know, he's
taking some hits. Yeah, and now credit to him, like
he's taking on those blockers too, Like he's not shying
away from anything. He's he's flying around and he's playing
he's playing full tilt. But you know, yeah, I think
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he's doing I think he's doing well. I think for
a fourth round rookie stepping into that big a role
in a Ravens defense, that's a really tall task.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
You don't see any rookies period, even guys who are
necessarily first round picks. You've been kind of spoiled. Malchi
Starks has been an immediate starter, but like not everybody is.
Nate Wiggins was an immediate Week one starter last year,
you know, and like to step in it. Inside linebacker
is a fourth round rookie who, by the way, only
played big times college football for one season at Cow
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Like that is pretty remarkable, And so I think like
Teddy's been a quick learner. He is a hard worker,
like he's practiced start all summer long. He's tough guy.
Like I'm impressed with what I see. I'm not gonna
like sugarcoat and say, oh my god, he's like going
crazy out there. I think he's playing well.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I think the arrow is very much pointing up on
him too. Yeah, And like when you compare.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
It to where he was two years ago, like even before.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Gosh you see Davis. Yeah, compared to that, it's a big,
big step up in competition.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, so big, big strikes for him over the past
two years. And so I think that, like I said,
I think the era is pointing up on him for sure.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
And it's encouraging to see him I think holding up. Well,
the other guy you mentioned him is Nate Wiggins. So
Nate had the big he had the big interception.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
So sorry, I want to I don't want to get
off the inside linebacker train here. Okay about Jake Hummel, Well,
that's that's an inside linebacker.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
He is an inside linebacker. That's a special teams play.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
He isn't inside linebacker, but man like really he's a
special teamer and he and look with the Ravens signed
Jake Humbell this offseason to come in here and elevate
the special teams play. And when you get a block
punt in your second game, you're elevating the special teams play.
That's correct, and so it was encouraging to see that.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I thought it was cool going back on the film
and and uh, Jake mentioned this after the game, but
the first punt the Browns had, he Jake Hummell had
a very similar rush to his block punt. It was
basically the same rush. He was kind of right over
the the long snapper, gets a lane, gets a one
on one with the personal protector, and he didn't He
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didn't make the play, then kind of got blocked to
the side of the hunter. And on the fourth punt,
you know, they they came back to that same rush
and Jake humble did not miss. He just ran through
the guy's face and got his hand up and blocked it.
So like pretty cool, also a fun a great story
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for Jake Kumbley. His four month old Sadden was at
the game. It was the first game as kid had
ever gone to and so got to see daddy, make
make the big play. It's just just cool.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
The Ravens, like when they were looking this offseason a
way to improve the special teams, Jake Kumble was a
guy who came on the radar they felt like they
could bring in as a veteran he could elevate the screen.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah, Like, I think they were surprised to get him
and like really thrilled that he was released by the Rams.
He had like the same block punt last year, Like
it was basically a carbon copy of the play, and
so like the Ravens are like, all right, sure, well yeah,
we'll take them. Yeah, And gosh, I mean he said
injury concerns, had a cut on his hands, fingered and
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like all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, he had he had he had a child, so
he didn't participate really much of the offseason program at all.
Then he has his cut on his hand at the
start of training campan he's not on the field and
he still got you know, he's still got that thing
wrapped up out there.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
When he plays, he.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Blocked the pump with his good hand. Yeah, I don't
know that would hurt hard. I don't even know the
severity of the of the cut. But it would hurt horribly.
I'm sure to try to block a punt with a
hand that has a bad cut recovered that you were
still recovering from. So he has that all bandaged up,
but he blocked it with his good hand. So he
made sure that yep, yep, exactly all right. So now
now we go to waas, Yes, Wiggins has the big pick.
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Before we break that down and just his game overall.
I thought an interesting note that Harba made on him
was was they watched some film together going into that
game last week, and I thought Nate was was pretty
good against the Bills, but not as didn't play at
his absolute best, and so I think he took a
hard look at ways he could improve. And it comes
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back to like what he said to us on the podcast,
which is like trusting his technique and sticking to that
technique and not just trying to play off of instincts,
which is what he felt like he did too much
as a rookie, and so I think he did more
of that in this game, and then he made the
most of it when he got the interception. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
I thought what was notable about his interception was the
communication aspect of it. Yeah, you know, he's covering the
wide receiver kind of deep and then releases him to
Kyle Hamilton in the deep, deep part of the field,
and that enabled him to kind of play the ball.
You know, he's playing in space at that point, and
then to cut underneath that that Joe Flacco was scrambling
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rolling to his right, run away from Roquan by the way,
and he'll advise pass. But like just just good communication.
Like you like to see Nate doing the right things,
not just like, Okay, you're playing on an island, how
can you match that guy one on one, Which Nate
has the athleticism to do that if he plays his
technique right, but like also now playing within the framework
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of the defense and communication to have that kind of
coverage and then just to make the play. You know,
we saw Nate drop too many interceptions last year. He
was kind of chiding himself this offseason for that the missedybortunities,
and said he wanted to make the most of them.
Get double digit takeaways this year. Hey, get a pick
in your second game, That's that's pretty darn good. He
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also just like has a thing for picking off the Browns. Yeah,
what it is Brown's at home. Yes, sign Nate wiggings
up for a pick.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Yeah, put him out for a pick every one of
those games. The funny thing, too, is I still do
I still can't believe he didn't score on the play.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
It's always tough.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
When a guy like makes a great play and then
people start clowning him for like not getting the You're like,
come on, the guy just had like sixty yard return.
We're starting to complain about not scoring the touchdown. But like,
Nate might be the fastest guy on the team pure speed.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
He ran a four to two forty.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah, And how somehow Joel Patonio brought him down at
the end of that play, like I thought.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
I think Joel Button was like on the ground at
the start of it too.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I think he had to get it up And I understand,
like you, I watched it back on film. There's a
point where Nate sees green grass and he breaks through
there and I'm like, oh, he's gone.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah, and Tony closing speed. We're gonna have to check
next gen SATs on Potonio.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Maybe maybe he also runs a fourth too.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
I'm not sure his combined forty so anyway, I think
that like I think Nate Wiggans.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
I've said it before.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
I think he's got He's He was my pick for
breakout player and to lead the team of picks, and
I stand by that. I just think that this is
a guy that like he's gonna make plays this year.
I think he's gonna play at a really high level,
and I think that he's going to establish himself as
one of the best corners in football before the season's
all said and done.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Yep. So to kind of the flip side of you know,
one of the things that on film didn't look as
great was the run game. Obviously, the Ravens had trouble
running the ball, which is you don't say that often,
we don't we don't say that too much on these
film breakdown podcasts. When I went back and looked at it,
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I mean the Ravens had a math problem on a
number of those runs. I mean, not enough blockers for
how many guys were in the box for the Browns.
And those guys weren't just bystanders in the box. They're
they're coming down hill and triggering fast like you see
it on the film, like they I mean, they're just
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run blitzing basically and I think especially it was tough
not to have Ricard in this game to kind of
be able to stand up to that pressure immediately. You know,
I think it was a tough assignment for Charlie Kohler.
Tough obviously on the tackles with you know, you got
Miles Garrett on the other side. You have some some
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good defensive players up front. Mason Graham, their first round pick,
certainly had one good play for a loss of four
yards where he just kind of knifed into the backfield.
And I think it was the Ravens need to be
able to block better than they did. But also, like
when you see how aggressively the Browns were in terms
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of personnel and just the way that they were playing it,
you also it's understandable that Ravens had trouble running the ball.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Look, Jim Schwartz is this is his defense, Like, this
is the type of aggressive play calling that he is
known for, and and he creates those math problems. You
you packed the box to slow down Derrick Henry, and
you also have maybe the best defensive player in football
and Miles Garrett, Like it's just gonna be hard to run.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
And I think that feast famine, Like if you crack that,
Like if you have pat Riccard up there and you
crack one of those, Yeah, they don't. They don't have
much in the secondary to slow down Derrick Henry, He's
gone and uh, or you get one of those tosses outside. Now,
the Ravens, I thought in the second half they did
start doing a little bit more outside run more toss
with Derrick Henry, which had a little bit more success.
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But you get one of those toss on the outside
and they're run blitzing up the middle, he might he
might go, and so like it's feast or famine. They
kind of feasted, you know, they they were able to
get in the Ravens backfield and really disrupt it. But hey,
these two teams face off later in the year. Would
not shock me if Derrick Henry goes off for two
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long touchdowns, Like that's just kind of how it works.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Right And And honestly, I don't know if this is
at all part of their game plan going into it,
but they may have been like, we can't just let
them bleed us slow all game long with with five
seven yard runs, like we get it's either shut it
down or give up the big play like feast. Basically,
they may have been okay with the feast or famine
approach because like that would be their best opportunity to
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have success in this game.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Not sure if that's the case.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
But I just think that's who they are.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Yeah, that's that could also just be part of this
is their identity.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Yeah, that's and and and basically like okay, if you
if if you can't slow down Derrick Henry and you're
dealing with Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson, you're in trouble, right,
give me one or the other. You can't handle both.
You just can't.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
So try to stop one and just force them to pass,
and yep, and and see if that see if you
can live with the results there.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Of course, the most you know, the quarterback with the
highest passer rating in NFL history. Pass. It doesn't sound good,
but it might be your best.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Yeah. It goes back to what a lot of guys
are saying last year was just pick your poison.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
And that's what we saw when we're talking about the
offensive line. Though, I do want to give Roger Rosengarten
a shout out. He's the only player in the NFL
to not allow a pressure in at least thirty pass
pro snaps so far in the whole league. So like,
from a pass pro standpoint, I think the Ravens are
doing a pretty darn good job. And give credit where
credit's due. Rogers had fifty five pass per snaps and
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so like, I think that in year two, Rogers doing
a pretty darn good job.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Yeah, I'm encouraged by I think he's just a good player.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
I think that's he's holding up and you want to
see a little bit. You want to see like the
run game break free a little bit more than it
did it on Sunday, But him in that assignment holding
up well in pass protection I think is good.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
And like you know, Miles Garrett's gonna get some wins,
like how it is, and he got some of this
against the Ravens offensive lineman and Ronnie Stanley included, like
he's the best, he might be the best defensive player
in the league.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
He's gonna get his wins.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
He's gonna win some. So that was part of the
problem I think for the Ravens in the run game
and pass pro against the Browns. One thing I do
want to talk about is the Ravens wide receivers, and
we talked about that passing game. I mean, hey, first,
Devontes Walker, when I go back and watch his two touchdowns,
this guy's just too fast. He's just too fast for
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defensive backs. I mean it wasn't like you you watch
his routes and it wasn't like, Okay, he ran a
decisive route, good play design, you know, particularly on his
longer touchdown, the second one, but like the first one
was just a kind of a crosser in the back
of the end zone. He just ran away from the
defensive back that was Cameron Mitchell, who by the way,
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ran a four to four to seven at the combine
camera Mitchell. So like, not a slow guy. Devonte's is
just too fast for him. You just can't catch up
to him. He gets a step on you and you
can't catch up. And then on his long touchdown, same
same deal. This one's going against Miles Harden and you
know he got he was a step behind and he's gone. Yeah,
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And so like, I just think you also look at
the matchups that he's gonna be getting against these defensive backs,
Like when you have Zay Flowers for Shaan Bateman. Yeah,
DeAndre Hopkins like devontees Walker is gonna get some nice
matchups in terms of if you're gonna try to go
which they're not gonna double Devantez Walker, but he's gonna
get some one on ones against their third or fourth corner. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Okay, well you mentioned the Browns.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
dB ran four four seven, Tez ran four three six
in the forty so he's got a step on him, he's.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Got playing speed.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
But what I what I like about this from him
is like he's he did this a ton of college
where and they were just like, all right, go run
nine routes. Just just run deep and we'll throw you
the ball sometimes and you'll probably make a handful of plays,
but like that's that's how we're gonna use you. And
for him to come up with plays in the red
zone and like get open and more a more condensed
portion of the field, I think shows development as a
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receiver as a route runner.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Sure, I agree. It wasn't like it wasn't like some
sudden route from him or like a comeback. I mean,
it was like a long it was kind of it
was a crosser in the back of the end zone
where he just ran through the guy, you know, and
so like past the guy, I should say, and so
like that stuff like and we saw that all summer
him on shallow crossers, deep crossers, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Tough.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
You just have to when you're when you're maneuvering on
the end zone, you got to be picking your way
sometimes exactly, you have to have a little bit more
of a feel and then just hey, just go run deep,
show off the speed. And I think that like that
development from him and then and then you make the
play when it's there, like he makes the play in
the back of the end zone, and I think that
that's encouraging. As we all know, three catches, three touchdowns,
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and like, I mean, if if there's so many weapons
on this offense, if you're if you're now we're at
a point where we're talking about Tess Walker and Tylan
Wallace being guys you got to worry about in the
end zone. It's like where where does the defensive coordinator
stop for their planning. There's just like so many guys
you got to worry about, and so it's encouraging to
see that from Tes.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Well. The the interesting thing is, like defensive coordinators are
not going to spend many hours like planning for devontees Walker,
it's just not you got the checks is going to
take up the majority, Derrick Henry Zay, you know, all
those guys that you're planning for. But then like when
you you're throwing in a number four three whatever, you
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know between Thailand, Uh, DeAndre Dhap and Devantes three through
five whatever, they're all making place. However, you want to
know that game exactly, and so like when you're throwing
him in there with the as fast as he is,
with like the tools that he has, Yeah, like that's
tough to stop because you're not planning for it, and
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they all.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Bring something different. Yeah, that's what's also kind of cool
about it. They're not the same player.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Oh they all three right exactly. Tailand's like your possession
received kind of guy, like very he's just mister reliable.
I really like Tyler Wallace. I'm glad he the Ravens
run back and then and then t hop obviously with
the contested catches. Yeah, there are three very different weapons
for the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Well.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
DeAndre Hopkins has been as advertised am Moore in his
first two Ravens games, like, I mean, here's a crazy thing.
He only played ten snaps in this game. Ten snaps,
two ridiculous catches, one of them for touchdown, one of
them that it was a touchdown, and then they call
back down at the half yard line. But like, this
dude is making ridiculous catches and every time he's on
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the field, now, like you got to worry about is
this gonna be some sort of ridiculous catch that he
can make? And I think that, like it doesn't take
a film expert to understand.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
What's going on with him.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Done his whole career, He's done his whole career. Throw
the ball up to him and he goes and makes place.
And if it's a ball that's in the air and
he's winning one on one coverage, he's gonna win that
battle more times than not. What I really like is
that Lamar Jackson clearly trust him already, like he is
given him opportunities on that play that was initially a
touchdown that was wiped off, like Lamar saw one on
one coverage between d Hop and the defender and was like,
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I'm just gonna give my guy an opportunity to make
a play.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
By the way, ridiculous play by Lamar Jackson there, Yeah,
I mean he's like scrambling around in the backfield. I
mean it was like a classic Lamar play of him
making something out of nothing. Scrambled around, scrambled around on
the move. What was it at some yard pass? Yeah,
I mean ridiculous forty one yard pass on the move,
just like flicks it balls on the money. Yeah. And
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again credit to de hot for making the play. I mean,
defensive back played it as well as he could. But
like great throw, great catch, Yeah, ridiculous play. Dee hops
caught four balls this year, three for touchdowns and that's right.
I said three for touchdowns because that one should have
been a touchdown and the.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Other one too, Like the one catcher not mentioning was
critical moment third and ten on that final drive in Buffalo.
That wasn't like a big play, but it just showed
the big moment, like he's on the field, he got
the ball and the biggest play of that game.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
So like this is what this is kind of best
case scenario I think for what we would have hoped
DeAndre Hopkins would be when the Ravens signed him. Yeah,
a guy that can show up in big moments, contested catches,
be a red zone threat, but not just I mean
he's catching the ball fifty yard bombs, forty our bombs.
It's not just the red zone threat. He's an end
zone target and someone that Lamar Jackson trust. He's all
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of those things.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Now, the conversation that's spinning out of all of this
is like, Okay, you have all these weapons, d hops
only getting ten snaps. Mark Andrews has really not had
a big impact through the first two games at all,
nor is Charlie Kohler from a receiving standpoint, Like, you
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have these like star players who just starn't having a
huge impact yet.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
Yeah, we kind of have the conversation in training camp,
like who could be the odd man out with DeAndre Hopkins' arrival.
So far it's been Mark Andrews and Rashad Bateman. From
a production standpoint, those guys haven't put up big numbers.
I think John Harball was asked about it, and I
actually thought his answer was a pretty honest answer. He's like, basically,
it's two games. If there were six games into the season,
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and this is the posture for the tight ends at
that point, Like, let's have a conversation at that point. Yeah,
but it's two games, and honestly, you go back last year,
it was a similar conversation with Mark Andrews early in
the season ends up leading all tight ends and touchdowns
last year.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
So like, I'm not going to overreact.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
I'm a little surprised, if I'm being honest with Andrews
because Isaiah likely it's not on the field right now,
and so I would not have predicted the stat line
for him after two games. But I also if he's
able to hold onto that ball in the end zone,
which Grant Delpit popped out and made a really nice
play on, it's kind of a different conversation today. No
one's talking about how it's been a quiet start to
(46:48):
the season for Andrews because he had a touchdown on
that play. Like, that's the margin that we're talking about.
So I'm not like pushing the panic button or necessarily
thinking that this is a sign of things to come.
I think it goes back to the pick your point
and who are you prepping for, and Lamar Jackson spreads
the ball around whoever's open, and that's how this offense
is built to run.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Yeah, now, I do think that the Ravens offense certainly
once Isaiah likely is on the field. He returned to
practice last Friday, so I would think he has a chance,
certainly to play Monday night against the Detroit Lions. That
adds another weapon. I mean you talk about yards after
catch all that Isaiah likely brings, Like, this offense gets
another another piece of the puzzle, which now it's like,
(47:30):
oh my gosh, okay, yeah, another mouth to feed in
this offense. We already have too many thousands to feed
in air quotes, you can ever have too many. But like,
I think that's gonna make this offense even more dynamic.
I think Mark he I'm sure once that touchdown that
got popped out of his hands back like you know,
(47:50):
he's got to protect that ball, get down to the
turf and that probably doesn't get punched out, you know.
But like Mark knows that, Mark's gonna be fine. I'm
not worried about Mark. He's gonna he's gonna score. He's
gonna get his and score and you know, his days
of being the latest Ravens leading wide receiver are probably
done at this point. You know, Zay Flowers is going
(48:11):
to be the ra Ravens leading receiver. He's awesome, He's
in the prime of his career, But like, is Mark
Andrews gonna make some big clutch plays for this team
and catch a bunch of balls and touchdowns. Yep, yep,
don't doubt it.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
Totally agree with that.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
So and I think that there's just there's so many
weapons on this offense that it's it can be a
different guy every week. When we were going into the
game against Cleveland, I don't think we mentioned devontees Walker
going into that game on our preview podcast, or maybe
even Tiland. Wall scores two touchdowns, t has had two touchdowns,
(48:46):
Tiland had another, So like it can be a different
guy any week, and I think that's what makes his
team in this offense so dangerous.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
So, as always, we'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Email us at the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot
net let us know your thoughts with this game coming
up against the Detroit Lions on Thank you so much
for listening, and we'll be back with you later this week.
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