June 9, 2025 • 27 mins
Jon Gruden spent two days with the Ravens during organized team activities, and he shared the insights he took away from his time with the team. He talked about what’s allowed to the team to have sustained success, what makes Lamar Jackson so special and how he’s renaming the Gruden Grinder award after Pat Ricard.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome into the lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Garret Downey
here with Clifton Brown, and today we are really fired
up to be joined by coach John Gruden, who's been
out here practice the last couple of days. Coach Gruden,
thank you so much for the time. What have your
thought of the time that you spent here watching practice
and getting with these coaches?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Well, I love football, you know that. And there's no
better place to be than the Baltimore Ravens. As he
knew some I got a chance to see him, Coach Harball,
seventeenth season. Just a great history here, they're reconstructing the building.
Just a lot of great, great days ahead. I think
for the Ravens, it's been a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Coach Harball said that when you walked out to the field,
you said, it's like football heaven out there.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I've never seen a facility like this. It's in the
middle of a most beautiful part of the world. They've
done an incredible job service in these players. I mean,
this is football heaven. The fields are immaculate, the facility tremendous.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Look where we are here.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Now, Hey, this is something else, and it's a product
of winning. It's a credit to them.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Fans often ask us, what do you see? What are
you seeing at OTAs, and what are you looking for
who looks good? As a coach in general, what are
you looking for to see from players at OTAs, from
the young players and the vets, and what have you
seen so far? Any observations from this Ravens team.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Well, number one, I look for participation, and they have
great participation. Lamar wasn't here, but he's been here and
it's a great opportunity for these other quarterbacks to get
up the speed and get ready for training camp. But
great participation. They got a great staff. I got to
sit in there with the defense and see Zach or
this guy's for real, man, This is guys on the
rise as a defensive coach in this league. Their offensive
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staff now Todd Monkin's second year, third year, really good
coaches and a lot of people in the strength room.
It's just a dynamite operation. And I learned a lot.
If I ever do get a chance to coach, I'm
gonna steal a few of these ideas because they're they're
really classy. The way they do business well.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Coach Harbaugh joked he said, it was great having you here,
but they did not give you the playbook, you know,
so I think he wants to hold some things back.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
We're not running your plays anyway. No one can run
Lamar Jackson's plays. They could give us the playbook and
tell us the plays. You still can't defend that man.
But what's really exciting is the emergence of this offensive line.
You know, the offensive line last year had a lot
of movie in pieces, a lot of first year starters.
The right tackle, Rosen Garden looks good. Uh, the right
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guard is a monster, and Linderbaum is I think, as
good a center as there is in the league. And
it's just it's gonna be an exciting operation. I think
when the when the pads come on.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Coach, you're a football savant. You know this game obviously
so well. Put into perspective how special Lamar Jackson is.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
I can't do it.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
You know, you can run any play, you can dream
up anything, and he can do it. And you can
block everybody perfectly and enjoy great execution, and you can
miss every block and still enjoy great execution. He's an
unbelievable game day performer. He's an iceman. The big moments
are his moments. He can win in the pocket, he
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can tear you up, and if he takes off outside
the pocket, god help you. He's a legitimate superstar. He's
the top of the food chain in the NFL. And
I just I'm sorry I missed him on this trip,
but I did get a chance to talk to him,
and I told him, tem Martin's a lot better coach
when he's out there practicing.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Coach. You were in a situation where you came to
Tampa took over team. It was on the verge knocking
on the door, and you got we're able to get
them over the home. You know, raves have been knocking
on the door for a few years. We're always hearing
what do they need? If you sat in a room
in front of them and said, hey, this is what
some keys it's getting over that home, what would you say?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
I think we stay in water. We don't overthink this.
They were good enough to win the Super Bowl last year.
We don't need to be deep and philosophical and come
up with forty eight reasons or forty eight motivational tactics.
Just keep doing what you're doing. Just keep doing what
you're doing. And great things will be in store. Stay healthy,
take care of each other in training camp, knock people's
ass off when the game start, and take care of
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the football. Take care of number eight. And I'll tell
you I was really impressed with your new kicker today too.
I know he's got big shoes to fill, but the
young man hit some pressure kicks today and there was
no doubt about him.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I think one of them was sixty yards.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, I mean, where do they find these players? You know,
it's a credit to the whole operation, the scouting department,
the coaching staff, the way they develop players. The best
player I got was Darren Waller, and I stole them
off your practice squad.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah that's true.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
You know so I'm a big Raven fan.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
You changed the way that the rules here as it
relates to practice squad players. Now they don't practice on
the field because you took Darren Waller. I see Asie
knewsm and the first thing he says.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Grew dog. You change the way we do business. We're playing.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
We're in twenty eighteen. We don't have a lot of speed.
All our receivers are hurt. I'm very depressed, and my
offensive coordinator says, who the hell is that guy? I
look up and it's the most beautiful guy I've ever seen.
So we claimed them and two years later he breaks
Tim Brown's receiving record. Darren Waller was a superstar for us.
And I see a lot of guys. I see Charlie
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Kolar as a young tight end who could really emerge
as a player. I think there's some really good players.
Justice Hill is a guy that can make plays. They
do a great job of scouting and delivering players for
these coaches to work with.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
You know this team well, I mean coach Arver even
said that you spent some time watching film before you
even got here on this team. Do you when I
look at this roster? Cliff and I were talking about
this yesterday and just said, like, there's nothing they need.
You look like, where are they weak? And he just
feels like there's no spot where they're weak. The roster
just feels so well constructed and ready to go. Do
you see that when you look at this team questions
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they have to answer. They've got to figure out who's
the other linebacker next to Rokuan? Is it gonna be Simpson?
You know he's got to go out and prove that
he's the man, And that'll be interesting. Who's gonna be
the corner opposite Wiggins? You know they have some competition there.
Stevens left. You know, they've got to answer that question.
Who's the third defensive tackle? That's what I want to
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find out.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
When Travis Jones comes out of the game, who's gonna
come in there and take some critical snaps? And can
the kicker do it in cold weather when he has
to like these Stover did and Tucker did for still
so many years. But I have no doubt in him.
You know, I have a lot of confidence. This is
gonna be one hell of a football team.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
We've seen the Ravens offense take off last couple of
years with Todd Monkin and the weapons he's working with. Obviously,
you're known as a great play caller in the offensive mind.
With the personnel they have, is there a ceiling for
this raves On? Do you feel like, even after what
they did last year, there's another level they can get to.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I believe they can score on any possess from anywhere
on the field. They have Jay Flowers, who's a dynamic
route runner. I think if he was there in the playoffs.
I think his loss was a big loss for Baltimore.
The threat of Zay Flowers opens up a lot of things.
This guy's an emerging young receiver. But I do think
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to your point, the sky is the limit, provided they
don't get full of themselves and read their clippings and
worry about statistics. Just worry about winning the game. I
think if they keep that in mind, I think they're
going to win a hell of a lot of games.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
You've had some battles, you know, with this team as organization,
but you and coach Harbaugh have this respect for each other.
He talked really highly of you and his respect that
he has for you. Tell me about your guys' relationship.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Well, we're both coaches, sons. My dad coached against his
dad many years growing up. I think we've known since
we were eight or nine or ten years old we
wanted to be coaches, and I think there's a certain
mutual respect because of that. We love football. We probably
sacrifice anything you could let us do. We'd rather be
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on the field coaching than doing anything else. I think
our love for football is mutual, and I think that's
really where the respect comes from. But he is something
else behind the scenes. For all the Raven fans that
haven't had a chance to see him with his players.
He's in the defensive meeting, he's in the offensive meeting.
He's given them great life lessons. Any's sincere about it,
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he means it, and he's got great eye contact from
his players. They trust them. It's a it's a real
unbelievable relationship that he has with this Raven football team.
And I think that's really the secret sauce and why
they're so good.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Last one, coaches, is this that I have. We always
talk about your green Grinders, used to do that on
Monday Night football. There's some Gruden Grinders out there on
that field.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Well, come on, I mean, I met my number one
Gruden Grinder, and I've named the Gruden Grinder the pat
Recard Award. I'm gonna hand out a trophy that looks
like a block of pat Recard. You know, I don't
think anybody realizes what this guy does. I call him
the straw Man, and I would appreciate if you guys
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refer to pat Ricard as the straw man. Here's the
straw that stirs the drink for this Raven offense. I mean,
the two tight ends likely and At Andrew seventeen touchdowns,
Derrick Henry nineteen hundred yards Russian, Lamar has forty five
hundred yards passing and a thousand Russian. But when you
watch it carefully, Recard is the lead blocker on the
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isolation for Derrick Henry. He kicks out on the power
play he passed, protects against Miles Garrett on some of
these play action passes, he cross sifts. I mean, he
should be considered in the Ring of Honor. He's a
Marshall yonda type badass. I love him, and he is
the straw man I can't. I'm telling you, I'm gonna
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do a cut up on him, and I'm going to
try to make sure everybody votes for him into the
Pro Bowl. For him to not be a Pro Bowl fullback,
it's a crime of the century. It's not even close.
But I love meeting him today and I'm going to
continue to preach his praises.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Awesome. Well, I know Paw will be fired up about that.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Thank you, guys for having it's great.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
I will say this too.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
The two thousand game, when I was coaching the Raiders
for the right to go to the Super Bowl. That
Baltimore raven defense came in and just knocked us out
and it was the greatest defensive team I have ever seen.
And I've always used the Ravens since that moment as
the measuring stick for me our offensive system. If we're
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any good, we got to prove it against the Ravens.
And I think that's the most respect I can give
this raven team is they are a measuring stick for
the rest of the league. If you want to be
a good team, go beat Baltimore. And I think the
Ravens under stand that, and I think they welcome that challenge.
It's awesome, all right, really nice much.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, all right, good luck to you.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
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Speaker 2 (11:18):
Well.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Awesome sitting down with coach Gruden. I mean you see,
you just sit down with him and you can see
the enthusiasm, the knowledge, the history. Even when I was
just walking back, you know, walking back on his way out,
he was bringing up players that have been here fifteen
twenty years ago. He's talking about Kelly greg in different
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nose tackles. He's like, you've had some great nose tackles
Kelly greg and Brandon Williams. And you know that's the
depth of knowledge you know that he has. And the
enthusiasm is no question. There's no question about that.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
He's probably watching as much film now as he did
when he was coaching. He's also been in television. He
knows the league and players inside out and coaches even out.
In this situation, a coach with as much experience as
John Arball wants to pick John Gruton's brain about what
he sees about the Ravens. That lets you know how
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much respect that he has for John Gruten's football mind.
And yeah, I mean I remember him as a Philly guy,
a young coach in Philadelphia on Andy Reid's staff, and
you know, knowing kind of that he was going to
be a guy who was probably going to be a
head coach, and it was no surprise anyone when he
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became a young head coach. He's a super Bowl winning coach.
And yeah, I mean he talks about the past, the president,
and the future of football. He can do all of that.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
He talks about as well as anybody you're going to find, right,
which is really cool, And I think pat Ricarr should
hire him as his personal pr.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
He loves Pat, there's no question. But the way he
explained all the things that Pat does to the Ravens offense,
I think was fascinating. Like I think that sometimes, even
though we have an appreciation for Patrick Rickcard, when you
think about all the ways in which he's used and
then that took my mind back to when Todd Monkin
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became offense goingator, people were asking him if he could
find a way to use Patrick Mcard.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah, and now man.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Exactly, he's the straw man. He's a straw man and yeah,
I mean yes, he's another gruten strength, as is a
John Harball strength and any great coach of strength. Using
the personnel you have. When you have a player like
a Patrick Riccard who a lot of systems teams aren't
even using fullbacks, they find a way to make him
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a pro ball player and an impact player. That's what
great coaches do. They adjust to their roster and get
the most out of it.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, So it just really enjoyed sitting down with him
and talking ball for a few minutes. You know that
that was great to have the opportunity to do that.
And he was watching practice the last couple of days
of OTAs this week and so had a chance just
to get to know this team and you know, get
a feel for what this Ravens team is going to be. Obviously,
he has belief and optimism about what the Ravens can do.
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And I thought Funny made a good point when you
ask him the question about getting over the hump, right,
And I agree with that take one hundred percent, which is,
like the Ravens, it's not some deep philosophical thing. They
have the pieces, they have the team. It's a matter
of doing it, matter of playing your best in that
moment on a cold night in Buffalo wherever the game
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is like, it comes down to playing your best in
that moment. And there's not necessarily some higher, you know
level philosophical element to the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Nope. And you that belief that the Ravens can do
it resonates through the players and the coaching staff. They
don't have to be convinced that they can do it.
That's all outside noise. They know that they're good enough
and you just keep knocking on the door. And yeah,
John Gruden was in that situation where he took over
a team that had been close Tony Dungee. He replaced
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the great coach who ended up winning a Super Bowl
in Indianapolis. But John Gruden, a different voice coming into
a team and had Super Bowl aspirations, was able to
get it done. And the Ravens the window, you know,
talk about you know how big is their window. It's
it's wide open. It remains wide open, and I think
it's going to be wide open for a few years.
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So walking through it is the last piece of the puzzle.
But they have everything they need to do that and
coach root and fields the same way.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
So I want to get talk about what we saw
practice and some of the takeaways that we had. Now
two weeks of OTAs in the books, one more to go,
and then there's a mandatory mini camp on the back
end of that. So we are nearing the end of
the offseason program before the team opens training camp in
late July. One of the things that I think this
week that stood out to me, especially in the practice
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that we watched on the end of the week on
Friday is Nick Wigins. We sat down with him for
the podcast last week. He talked about adding ten pounds
and won and ten plus turnovers this year, so big
aspirations for him. Well, he came up with one of
those turnovers in practice and he looked. I think he
looks really really good.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Oh he does. And he's so talented. And on the
podcast he talks so much about being a professional and
working on his technique that that's the next step for him.
He has the talent to do things already in this league,
as he proved as a rookie, but now he kind
of wants to put the polish on the race car.
And I think technique is what he's honing in on.
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And you know, he knows the defense now so much
better than he did as a rookie. The learning process
is over so very impressive as a rookie. I'm very
impressed with how he looks. I think the ten pounds
will help him. It'll be interesting to see if he
can hold it because he's one of the few guys
I deal with. If he talked about you know that
he doesn't like to eat that much and you know,
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you look at his frame. He's not the type of
guy who picks up weight easily. But if he can
keep the weight on, I think it will help him.
But even if he doesn't, I expect Nate wings. I think,
you know, he has all pro capability. It's not even
too early to me to start talking about him in
that way. He's just that talented.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Yeah, the technique piece is interesting because we haven't talked
with him about it. Like, he is so athletic that
I think that he could lean on that a little
bit more, especially in college, and I think honestly early
on last year he tried to do that at times
where he has a speed to catch up with guys
and he's so sticky and covers it. He could just
lean on that raw athleticism. But that's not going to
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work long term in the NFL. And Nate talked about
realizing that as rookie, and that's where the technique comes
into play. So if you can, if you can mesh
this great athleticism and length and speed along with great technique,
and that's where I think he can really take off,
and that's what he's working on.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Yes, I also thought it was interesting that his locker's
been moved next to Marlon Humphrey. I don't know whose
idea it.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Was, but he said he just came in one day
and noticed that. But he did say he went to
Marlin this offseason and said, show me how to watch
the film.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
That's a great teammate to be talking to every day.
You know, Marlon has the whole package, technique and athletic
ability and obviously can play so many spots defensively. Who
knows that that guy could be part of Nate wiggs
trick bag, especially moving down the road. But that's a
great vet to learn from as along with all the
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other players in that room. But Marlin, I think yes,
can really impart some knowledge on Nate to kind of
make his progression quicker. And his teammates, they all see
how talented Nate is. I mean, so he's a guy
and you want to help all your teammates, but when
you see someone with that much potential, you're ward and
willing to help him because you know that that could
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raise him to another level.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah. Another guy in the secondary who had a nice practice,
especially at the end of the week, is Malachi Stark's
the first round pick, had an interception during seven on
seven drills, and so it's good to see him. Like
we see this with rookies a lot. You come in,
your head's spinning a little bit. You got to get
a feel for the defense and what you're doing and
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what's happening, and you're just learning, like what You're just
getting a sense of like what to do. And then
over time you get a little bit more comfortable, your
confidence grows. You have an understanding what the defense is doing,
what to expect from the offensive side of the ball.
And I think we're starting to see that with Malachi.
This guy's taking first team reps basically since the time
he stepped on campus. And to see him come over
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with the pick was nice, And I think that he's
trending in the right direction.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Yes, I agree with all of that, And I keep
going back to with Starks that he, to me, has
been through this before as a college freshman at Georgia.
I mean, he started as a freshman at Georgia and
never lost a job. That's not like doing that at
a normal place. Yeah, not many people do that. So
he stepped into a high level program. They didn't need
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to play him to be good. He was actually surpriuded
of her. Kirby Smart talking about you know how quickly
he developed to the point where he was the best player.
They put him out there and he never looked back.
He's trying to do the same thing here. Come in
his first year, learn quickly be an impact player right away.
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That's what is expected at being a first round pick.
But it's not easy to do, and the stakes are
higher when you're joining a team it's trying to win
a super Bowl. He looks more than ready to handle
all of that. You know, everyone knows how you know,
the great reputency ads for being a hard worker, A
guy who loves football learns quickly. You're seeing all of
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those things already, so you know, I don't want to
blow it up too big, too early, But yes, I
mean Malachi Starks is looking like, you know, everything that
was advertised.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
So anything else stand out to you? And when you
were watching practice the last few days, was what were
some of the other big takeaways that you had?
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Well, the one player who I don't have a Gruden behinder,
but if I was giving an OTA MVP at this point,
I might go with Teses Walker. Devontees Walkers looked really
good to me and been consistent. You know, like he
has a good day and then he comes back the
next day and continues to look good. He had a
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nice catch today for a touchdown or Friday in OTAs.
I feel like he's a player that, even though you
know it's gonna be hard for him to get reps
as stacked as the Ravens are a wide receiver, he
definitely looks like a better player than he was last year.
And that's what you want to see to trajectory with
a young player, and you know, unfortunately, you know, you
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never know, one snap could change where he falls on
the depth charge. So if he's called upon, no matter
how much the Ravens want to play him, he looks
like a player who's ready to play more and if
he steps on the field, he can can make place.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
One guy who I think has caught my attention is
because he's getting a lot of reps, has been Cooper
Rush with Lamar Jackson was not a practice over the
course of this week of OTAs, and so that opened
the opportunity for Cooper Rush to take a ton of snaps,
which I think is good for him as being a
quarterback that's coming to a new team, new system, has
to build this chemistry with these with these receivers, and
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so I was encouraged by that. I mean, he operates
at an efficient level like he's been He's played a
lot of football, especially as a backup quarterback, so he
started a bunch of games and I think he's fully
capable if called upon. But I've been encouraged by just
seeing the way that he operates the offense, which I
think is kind of what you're looking for at this
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stage of the game, Like the efficiency of operation. He's
doing that at a high level.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Yeah, I mean coach Mongan mentioned those things that you know,
this guy is a pro, an experienced player who has
had success as a backup quarterback. So there's no reason
to think that, you know, a guy who was a
successful backup quarterback in Dallas won't be one here. But
it is a new system and it is with new
players around him, and yes, this is a good time
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for him to get acclimated here. And you know he's
going to go through you know, growing pains from time
to time. But he looks good out there in that
he know, you know, he'll know the offense inside and out.
He's been in these situations before. And yeah, I mean
he's a guy that even though he knows he may
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not play a lot or at all, if he does,
I think that he'll be ready.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yeah. Two of the guys that I'll point to both
in somewhat similar situations. The first one is is Keithon
Mitchell and say Flowers last year Keaton. They're both coming
off of injuries from last year. Keaton played last season
but was never really one hundred percent. And to me,
he looks like he's back. It looks like he's got
the burst. We've mentioned this before. He just looks like
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he's back to the speed, playing with the speed that
he had as a rookie, which is awesome to see.
And I just think that that, and he's catching the
ball really well out of the backfield. He had a
play today that was a nice wheel route where he
made a great catch in the back of the end zone.
Those hands as a running back are if he can
really impact things in the passing game, that's going to
open up even more opportunities for him, which I think
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he's showing that ability. So I've been really impressed with him,
And then with Jay Flowers. Coach Gruden talked about how
his absence was probably downplayed a little bit in that
Buffalo game. This was a Pro Bowl receiver who was
not on the field, the number one receiver Pro Bowl
season was not on the field. And that's a big loss.
And any team losing your top receiver going into a
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divisional playoff game, it's going to be tough to overcome that.
And so what I'm encouraged by with Za is when
I watch him at practice, I see a guy that,
like the knee insury, doesn't seem to even be lingering
at all. There was a play on Thursday where he
took the ball kind of on a reverse and then
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he was doing the joysick things, bouncing all over the field.
He was having kind of he was having fun with it.
But like even just seeing that that was to me
a good sign. Like, Okay, the knee injury, it's it's
the thing of the past.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Right rearview mirror with the knee injury for Zay, which
is great to see. And yes, as coach Gruden said,
it's not only the plays that he makes, it's the
threat of Jay Flowers. Uh should have the Bills. It
was much Now I'm not gonna say much, but easier
to game plan for that game without Jay Flowers being
in the lineup. He just he's such a threat. I mean,
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he's a guy who can hurt you in so many ways.
Even if you can't throw it to him. If you
just get the ball in his hands, he can make
a big play. And he's another player who is ascending
in my eyes. And I think that you know, he'll
learn from DeAndre Hopkins. It's good for Zav said that
he loves having a guy like that with him, that
he can learn from a vet who's proven it in
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so many ways. The chemistry with Lamar and Zay with
has always been good should keep rising. So yeah, I
mean Zay and then Keaton. You know we've talked about
him before this. Yeh see, looks so much healthier than
he was at the end of last season. It's very
common for the second year after a knee injury for
the player to really show you that he's always back.
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That first year is tough. It was tough for Keaton.
He's smiling now, he's quick, he's catching the football, as
you mentioned. Yeah, I mean, I think add him to
the mixes. One of the ravens many many playmakers.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Yeah, this is this team is going to be fun
to watch on both sides of the ball, and they
got a bunch of guys who can take it to
the house whenever they get the ball in their hands.
So those are our thoughts from watching OTAs and again
thanks to coach Grudin for joining us. Really enjoyed hearing
his insight and he is high on this team and
what the Ravens had the potential to accomplish this season.
As always, you can email us at the lounge at
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Ravens dot NFL dot net. Thank you so much for
watching and for listening, and we will talk with you
again soon
Welcome into the lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Garret Downey
here with Clifton Brown, and today we are really fired
up to be joined by coach John Gruden, who's been
out here practice the last couple of days. Coach Gruden,
thank you so much for the time. What have your
thought of the time that you spent here watching practice
and getting with these coaches?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Well, I love football, you know that. And there's no
better place to be than the Baltimore Ravens. As he
knew some I got a chance to see him, Coach Harball,
seventeenth season. Just a great history here, they're reconstructing the building.
Just a lot of great, great days ahead. I think
for the Ravens, it's been a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Coach Harball said that when you walked out to the field,
you said, it's like football heaven out there.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I've never seen a facility like this. It's in the
middle of a most beautiful part of the world. They've
done an incredible job service in these players. I mean,
this is football heaven. The fields are immaculate, the facility tremendous.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Look where we are here.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Now, Hey, this is something else, and it's a product
of winning. It's a credit to them.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Fans often ask us, what do you see? What are
you seeing at OTAs, and what are you looking for
who looks good? As a coach in general, what are
you looking for to see from players at OTAs, from
the young players and the vets, and what have you
seen so far? Any observations from this Ravens team.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Well, number one, I look for participation, and they have
great participation. Lamar wasn't here, but he's been here and
it's a great opportunity for these other quarterbacks to get
up the speed and get ready for training camp. But
great participation. They got a great staff. I got to
sit in there with the defense and see Zach or
this guy's for real, man, This is guys on the
rise as a defensive coach in this league. Their offensive
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staff now Todd Monkin's second year, third year, really good
coaches and a lot of people in the strength room.
It's just a dynamite operation. And I learned a lot.
If I ever do get a chance to coach, I'm
gonna steal a few of these ideas because they're they're
really classy. The way they do business well.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Coach Harbaugh joked he said, it was great having you here,
but they did not give you the playbook, you know,
so I think he wants to hold some things back.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
We're not running your plays anyway. No one can run
Lamar Jackson's plays. They could give us the playbook and
tell us the plays. You still can't defend that man.
But what's really exciting is the emergence of this offensive line.
You know, the offensive line last year had a lot
of movie in pieces, a lot of first year starters.
The right tackle, Rosen Garden looks good. Uh, the right
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guard is a monster, and Linderbaum is I think, as
good a center as there is in the league. And
it's just it's gonna be an exciting operation. I think
when the when the pads come on.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Coach, you're a football savant. You know this game obviously
so well. Put into perspective how special Lamar Jackson is.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
I can't do it.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
You know, you can run any play, you can dream
up anything, and he can do it. And you can
block everybody perfectly and enjoy great execution, and you can
miss every block and still enjoy great execution. He's an
unbelievable game day performer. He's an iceman. The big moments
are his moments. He can win in the pocket, he
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can tear you up, and if he takes off outside
the pocket, god help you. He's a legitimate superstar. He's
the top of the food chain in the NFL. And
I just I'm sorry I missed him on this trip,
but I did get a chance to talk to him,
and I told him, tem Martin's a lot better coach
when he's out there practicing.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Coach. You were in a situation where you came to
Tampa took over team. It was on the verge knocking
on the door, and you got we're able to get
them over the home. You know, raves have been knocking
on the door for a few years. We're always hearing
what do they need? If you sat in a room
in front of them and said, hey, this is what
some keys it's getting over that home, what would you say?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
I think we stay in water. We don't overthink this.
They were good enough to win the Super Bowl last year.
We don't need to be deep and philosophical and come
up with forty eight reasons or forty eight motivational tactics.
Just keep doing what you're doing. Just keep doing what
you're doing. And great things will be in store. Stay healthy,
take care of each other in training camp, knock people's
ass off when the game start, and take care of
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the football. Take care of number eight. And I'll tell
you I was really impressed with your new kicker today too.
I know he's got big shoes to fill, but the
young man hit some pressure kicks today and there was
no doubt about him.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I think one of them was sixty yards.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, I mean, where do they find these players? You know,
it's a credit to the whole operation, the scouting department,
the coaching staff, the way they develop players. The best
player I got was Darren Waller, and I stole them
off your practice squad.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah that's true.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
You know so I'm a big Raven fan.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
You changed the way that the rules here as it
relates to practice squad players. Now they don't practice on
the field because you took Darren Waller. I see Asie
knewsm and the first thing he says.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Grew dog. You change the way we do business. We're playing.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
We're in twenty eighteen. We don't have a lot of speed.
All our receivers are hurt. I'm very depressed, and my
offensive coordinator says, who the hell is that guy? I
look up and it's the most beautiful guy I've ever seen.
So we claimed them and two years later he breaks
Tim Brown's receiving record. Darren Waller was a superstar for us.
And I see a lot of guys. I see Charlie
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Kolar as a young tight end who could really emerge
as a player. I think there's some really good players.
Justice Hill is a guy that can make plays. They
do a great job of scouting and delivering players for
these coaches to work with.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
You know this team well, I mean coach Arver even
said that you spent some time watching film before you
even got here on this team. Do you when I
look at this roster? Cliff and I were talking about
this yesterday and just said, like, there's nothing they need.
You look like, where are they weak? And he just
feels like there's no spot where they're weak. The roster
just feels so well constructed and ready to go. Do
you see that when you look at this team questions
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they have to answer. They've got to figure out who's
the other linebacker next to Rokuan? Is it gonna be Simpson?
You know he's got to go out and prove that
he's the man, And that'll be interesting. Who's gonna be
the corner opposite Wiggins? You know they have some competition there.
Stevens left. You know, they've got to answer that question.
Who's the third defensive tackle? That's what I want to
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find out.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
When Travis Jones comes out of the game, who's gonna
come in there and take some critical snaps? And can
the kicker do it in cold weather when he has
to like these Stover did and Tucker did for still
so many years. But I have no doubt in him.
You know, I have a lot of confidence. This is
gonna be one hell of a football team.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
We've seen the Ravens offense take off last couple of
years with Todd Monkin and the weapons he's working with. Obviously,
you're known as a great play caller in the offensive mind.
With the personnel they have, is there a ceiling for
this raves On? Do you feel like, even after what
they did last year, there's another level they can get to.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I believe they can score on any possess from anywhere
on the field. They have Jay Flowers, who's a dynamic
route runner. I think if he was there in the playoffs.
I think his loss was a big loss for Baltimore.
The threat of Zay Flowers opens up a lot of things.
This guy's an emerging young receiver. But I do think
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to your point, the sky is the limit, provided they
don't get full of themselves and read their clippings and
worry about statistics. Just worry about winning the game. I
think if they keep that in mind, I think they're
going to win a hell of a lot of games.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
You've had some battles, you know, with this team as organization,
but you and coach Harbaugh have this respect for each other.
He talked really highly of you and his respect that
he has for you. Tell me about your guys' relationship.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Well, we're both coaches, sons. My dad coached against his
dad many years growing up. I think we've known since
we were eight or nine or ten years old we
wanted to be coaches, and I think there's a certain
mutual respect because of that. We love football. We probably
sacrifice anything you could let us do. We'd rather be
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on the field coaching than doing anything else. I think
our love for football is mutual, and I think that's
really where the respect comes from. But he is something
else behind the scenes. For all the Raven fans that
haven't had a chance to see him with his players.
He's in the defensive meeting, he's in the offensive meeting.
He's given them great life lessons. Any's sincere about it,
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he means it, and he's got great eye contact from
his players. They trust them. It's a it's a real
unbelievable relationship that he has with this Raven football team.
And I think that's really the secret sauce and why
they're so good.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Last one, coaches, is this that I have. We always
talk about your green Grinders, used to do that on
Monday Night football. There's some Gruden Grinders out there on
that field.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Well, come on, I mean, I met my number one
Gruden Grinder, and I've named the Gruden Grinder the pat
Recard Award. I'm gonna hand out a trophy that looks
like a block of pat Recard. You know, I don't
think anybody realizes what this guy does. I call him
the straw Man, and I would appreciate if you guys
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refer to pat Ricard as the straw man. Here's the
straw that stirs the drink for this Raven offense. I mean,
the two tight ends likely and At Andrew seventeen touchdowns,
Derrick Henry nineteen hundred yards Russian, Lamar has forty five
hundred yards passing and a thousand Russian. But when you
watch it carefully, Recard is the lead blocker on the
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isolation for Derrick Henry. He kicks out on the power
play he passed, protects against Miles Garrett on some of
these play action passes, he cross sifts. I mean, he
should be considered in the Ring of Honor. He's a
Marshall yonda type badass. I love him, and he is
the straw man I can't. I'm telling you, I'm gonna
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do a cut up on him, and I'm going to
try to make sure everybody votes for him into the
Pro Bowl. For him to not be a Pro Bowl fullback,
it's a crime of the century. It's not even close.
But I love meeting him today and I'm going to
continue to preach his praises.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Awesome. Well, I know Paw will be fired up about that.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Thank you, guys for having it's great.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
I will say this too.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
The two thousand game, when I was coaching the Raiders
for the right to go to the Super Bowl. That
Baltimore raven defense came in and just knocked us out
and it was the greatest defensive team I have ever seen.
And I've always used the Ravens since that moment as
the measuring stick for me our offensive system. If we're
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any good, we got to prove it against the Ravens.
And I think that's the most respect I can give
this raven team is they are a measuring stick for
the rest of the league. If you want to be
a good team, go beat Baltimore. And I think the
Ravens under stand that, and I think they welcome that challenge.
It's awesome, all right, really nice much.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, all right, good luck to you.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
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Speaker 2 (11:18):
Well.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Awesome sitting down with coach Gruden. I mean you see,
you just sit down with him and you can see
the enthusiasm, the knowledge, the history. Even when I was
just walking back, you know, walking back on his way out,
he was bringing up players that have been here fifteen
twenty years ago. He's talking about Kelly greg in different
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nose tackles. He's like, you've had some great nose tackles
Kelly greg and Brandon Williams. And you know that's the
depth of knowledge you know that he has. And the
enthusiasm is no question. There's no question about that.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
He's probably watching as much film now as he did
when he was coaching. He's also been in television. He
knows the league and players inside out and coaches even out.
In this situation, a coach with as much experience as
John Arball wants to pick John Gruton's brain about what
he sees about the Ravens. That lets you know how
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much respect that he has for John Gruten's football mind.
And yeah, I mean I remember him as a Philly guy,
a young coach in Philadelphia on Andy Reid's staff, and
you know, knowing kind of that he was going to
be a guy who was probably going to be a
head coach, and it was no surprise anyone when he
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became a young head coach. He's a super Bowl winning coach.
And yeah, I mean he talks about the past, the president,
and the future of football. He can do all of that.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
He talks about as well as anybody you're going to find, right,
which is really cool, And I think pat Ricarr should
hire him as his personal pr.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
He loves Pat, there's no question. But the way he
explained all the things that Pat does to the Ravens offense,
I think was fascinating. Like I think that sometimes, even
though we have an appreciation for Patrick Rickcard, when you
think about all the ways in which he's used and
then that took my mind back to when Todd Monkin
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became offense goingator, people were asking him if he could
find a way to use Patrick Mcard.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah, and now man.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Exactly, he's the straw man. He's a straw man and yeah,
I mean yes, he's another gruten strength, as is a
John Harball strength and any great coach of strength. Using
the personnel you have. When you have a player like
a Patrick Riccard who a lot of systems teams aren't
even using fullbacks, they find a way to make him
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a pro ball player and an impact player. That's what
great coaches do. They adjust to their roster and get
the most out of it.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, So it just really enjoyed sitting down with him
and talking ball for a few minutes. You know that
that was great to have the opportunity to do that.
And he was watching practice the last couple of days
of OTAs this week and so had a chance just
to get to know this team and you know, get
a feel for what this Ravens team is going to be. Obviously,
he has belief and optimism about what the Ravens can do.
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And I thought Funny made a good point when you
ask him the question about getting over the hump, right,
And I agree with that take one hundred percent, which is,
like the Ravens, it's not some deep philosophical thing. They
have the pieces, they have the team. It's a matter
of doing it, matter of playing your best in that
moment on a cold night in Buffalo wherever the game
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is like, it comes down to playing your best in
that moment. And there's not necessarily some higher, you know
level philosophical element to the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Nope. And you that belief that the Ravens can do
it resonates through the players and the coaching staff. They
don't have to be convinced that they can do it.
That's all outside noise. They know that they're good enough
and you just keep knocking on the door. And yeah,
John Gruden was in that situation where he took over
a team that had been close Tony Dungee. He replaced
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the great coach who ended up winning a Super Bowl
in Indianapolis. But John Gruden, a different voice coming into
a team and had Super Bowl aspirations, was able to
get it done. And the Ravens the window, you know,
talk about you know how big is their window. It's
it's wide open. It remains wide open, and I think
it's going to be wide open for a few years.
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So walking through it is the last piece of the puzzle.
But they have everything they need to do that and
coach root and fields the same way.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
So I want to get talk about what we saw
practice and some of the takeaways that we had. Now
two weeks of OTAs in the books, one more to go,
and then there's a mandatory mini camp on the back
end of that. So we are nearing the end of
the offseason program before the team opens training camp in
late July. One of the things that I think this
week that stood out to me, especially in the practice
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that we watched on the end of the week on
Friday is Nick Wigins. We sat down with him for
the podcast last week. He talked about adding ten pounds
and won and ten plus turnovers this year, so big
aspirations for him. Well, he came up with one of
those turnovers in practice and he looked. I think he
looks really really good.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Oh he does. And he's so talented. And on the
podcast he talks so much about being a professional and
working on his technique that that's the next step for him.
He has the talent to do things already in this league,
as he proved as a rookie, but now he kind
of wants to put the polish on the race car.
And I think technique is what he's honing in on.
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And you know, he knows the defense now so much
better than he did as a rookie. The learning process
is over so very impressive as a rookie. I'm very
impressed with how he looks. I think the ten pounds
will help him. It'll be interesting to see if he
can hold it because he's one of the few guys
I deal with. If he talked about you know that
he doesn't like to eat that much and you know,
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you look at his frame. He's not the type of
guy who picks up weight easily. But if he can
keep the weight on, I think it will help him.
But even if he doesn't, I expect Nate wings. I think,
you know, he has all pro capability. It's not even
too early to me to start talking about him in
that way. He's just that talented.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Yeah, the technique piece is interesting because we haven't talked
with him about it. Like, he is so athletic that
I think that he could lean on that a little
bit more, especially in college, and I think honestly early
on last year he tried to do that at times
where he has a speed to catch up with guys
and he's so sticky and covers it. He could just
lean on that raw athleticism. But that's not going to
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work long term in the NFL. And Nate talked about
realizing that as rookie, and that's where the technique comes
into play. So if you can, if you can mesh
this great athleticism and length and speed along with great technique,
and that's where I think he can really take off,
and that's what he's working on.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Yes, I also thought it was interesting that his locker's
been moved next to Marlon Humphrey. I don't know whose
idea it.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Was, but he said he just came in one day
and noticed that. But he did say he went to
Marlin this offseason and said, show me how to watch
the film.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
That's a great teammate to be talking to every day.
You know, Marlon has the whole package, technique and athletic
ability and obviously can play so many spots defensively. Who
knows that that guy could be part of Nate wiggs
trick bag, especially moving down the road. But that's a
great vet to learn from as along with all the
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other players in that room. But Marlin, I think yes,
can really impart some knowledge on Nate to kind of
make his progression quicker. And his teammates, they all see
how talented Nate is. I mean, so he's a guy
and you want to help all your teammates, but when
you see someone with that much potential, you're ward and
willing to help him because you know that that could
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raise him to another level.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah. Another guy in the secondary who had a nice practice,
especially at the end of the week, is Malachi Stark's
the first round pick, had an interception during seven on
seven drills, and so it's good to see him. Like
we see this with rookies a lot. You come in,
your head's spinning a little bit. You got to get
a feel for the defense and what you're doing and
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what's happening, and you're just learning, like what You're just
getting a sense of like what to do. And then
over time you get a little bit more comfortable, your
confidence grows. You have an understanding what the defense is doing,
what to expect from the offensive side of the ball.
And I think we're starting to see that with Malachi.
This guy's taking first team reps basically since the time
he stepped on campus. And to see him come over
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with the pick was nice, And I think that he's
trending in the right direction.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Yes, I agree with all of that, And I keep
going back to with Starks that he, to me, has
been through this before as a college freshman at Georgia.
I mean, he started as a freshman at Georgia and
never lost a job. That's not like doing that at
a normal place. Yeah, not many people do that. So
he stepped into a high level program. They didn't need
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to play him to be good. He was actually surpriuded
of her. Kirby Smart talking about you know how quickly
he developed to the point where he was the best player.
They put him out there and he never looked back.
He's trying to do the same thing here. Come in
his first year, learn quickly be an impact player right away.
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That's what is expected at being a first round pick.
But it's not easy to do, and the stakes are
higher when you're joining a team it's trying to win
a super Bowl. He looks more than ready to handle
all of that. You know, everyone knows how you know,
the great reputency ads for being a hard worker, A
guy who loves football learns quickly. You're seeing all of
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those things already, so you know, I don't want to
blow it up too big, too early, But yes, I
mean Malachi Starks is looking like, you know, everything that
was advertised.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
So anything else stand out to you? And when you
were watching practice the last few days, was what were
some of the other big takeaways that you had?
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Well, the one player who I don't have a Gruden behinder,
but if I was giving an OTA MVP at this point,
I might go with Teses Walker. Devontees Walkers looked really
good to me and been consistent. You know, like he
has a good day and then he comes back the
next day and continues to look good. He had a
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nice catch today for a touchdown or Friday in OTAs.
I feel like he's a player that, even though you
know it's gonna be hard for him to get reps
as stacked as the Ravens are a wide receiver, he
definitely looks like a better player than he was last year.
And that's what you want to see to trajectory with
a young player, and you know, unfortunately, you know, you
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never know, one snap could change where he falls on
the depth charge. So if he's called upon, no matter
how much the Ravens want to play him, he looks
like a player who's ready to play more and if
he steps on the field, he can can make place.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
One guy who I think has caught my attention is
because he's getting a lot of reps, has been Cooper
Rush with Lamar Jackson was not a practice over the
course of this week of OTAs, and so that opened
the opportunity for Cooper Rush to take a ton of snaps,
which I think is good for him as being a
quarterback that's coming to a new team, new system, has
to build this chemistry with these with these receivers, and
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so I was encouraged by that. I mean, he operates
at an efficient level like he's been He's played a
lot of football, especially as a backup quarterback, so he
started a bunch of games and I think he's fully
capable if called upon. But I've been encouraged by just
seeing the way that he operates the offense, which I
think is kind of what you're looking for at this
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stage of the game, Like the efficiency of operation. He's
doing that at a high level.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Yeah, I mean coach Mongan mentioned those things that you know,
this guy is a pro, an experienced player who has
had success as a backup quarterback. So there's no reason
to think that, you know, a guy who was a
successful backup quarterback in Dallas won't be one here. But
it is a new system and it is with new
players around him, and yes, this is a good time
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for him to get acclimated here. And you know he's
going to go through you know, growing pains from time
to time. But he looks good out there in that
he know, you know, he'll know the offense inside and out.
He's been in these situations before. And yeah, I mean
he's a guy that even though he knows he may
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not play a lot or at all, if he does,
I think that he'll be ready.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yeah. Two of the guys that I'll point to both
in somewhat similar situations. The first one is is Keithon
Mitchell and say Flowers last year Keaton. They're both coming
off of injuries from last year. Keaton played last season
but was never really one hundred percent. And to me,
he looks like he's back. It looks like he's got
the burst. We've mentioned this before. He just looks like
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he's back to the speed, playing with the speed that
he had as a rookie, which is awesome to see.
And I just think that that, and he's catching the
ball really well out of the backfield. He had a
play today that was a nice wheel route where he
made a great catch in the back of the end zone.
Those hands as a running back are if he can
really impact things in the passing game, that's going to
open up even more opportunities for him, which I think
(24:17):
he's showing that ability. So I've been really impressed with him,
And then with Jay Flowers. Coach Gruden talked about how
his absence was probably downplayed a little bit in that
Buffalo game. This was a Pro Bowl receiver who was
not on the field, the number one receiver Pro Bowl
season was not on the field. And that's a big loss.
And any team losing your top receiver going into a
(24:38):
divisional playoff game, it's going to be tough to overcome that.
And so what I'm encouraged by with Za is when
I watch him at practice, I see a guy that,
like the knee insury, doesn't seem to even be lingering
at all. There was a play on Thursday where he
took the ball kind of on a reverse and then
(24:59):
he was doing the joysick things, bouncing all over the field.
He was having kind of he was having fun with it.
But like even just seeing that that was to me
a good sign. Like, Okay, the knee injury, it's it's
the thing of the past.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Right rearview mirror with the knee injury for Zay, which
is great to see. And yes, as coach Gruden said,
it's not only the plays that he makes, it's the
threat of Jay Flowers. Uh should have the Bills. It
was much Now I'm not gonna say much, but easier
to game plan for that game without Jay Flowers being
in the lineup. He just he's such a threat. I mean,
(25:35):
he's a guy who can hurt you in so many ways.
Even if you can't throw it to him. If you
just get the ball in his hands, he can make
a big play. And he's another player who is ascending
in my eyes. And I think that you know, he'll
learn from DeAndre Hopkins. It's good for Zav said that
he loves having a guy like that with him, that
he can learn from a vet who's proven it in
(25:57):
so many ways. The chemistry with Lamar and Zay with
has always been good should keep rising. So yeah, I
mean Zay and then Keaton. You know we've talked about
him before this. Yeh see, looks so much healthier than
he was at the end of last season. It's very
common for the second year after a knee injury for
the player to really show you that he's always back.
(26:19):
That first year is tough. It was tough for Keaton.
He's smiling now, he's quick, he's catching the football, as
you mentioned. Yeah, I mean, I think add him to
the mixes. One of the ravens many many playmakers.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Yeah, this is this team is going to be fun
to watch on both sides of the ball, and they
got a bunch of guys who can take it to
the house whenever they get the ball in their hands.
So those are our thoughts from watching OTAs and again
thanks to coach Grudin for joining us. Really enjoyed hearing
his insight and he is high on this team and
what the Ravens had the potential to accomplish this season.
As always, you can email us at the lounge at
(26:51):
Ravens dot NFL dot net. Thank you so much for
watching and for listening, and we will talk with you
again soon
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