September 23, 2025 • 28 mins
Team insiders Ryan Mink and Garrett Downing discuss the Ravens' 38-30 loss to the Detroit Lions on "Monday Night Football," including an uncharacteristic defensive performance, the problem that's bigger than another Derrick Henry fumble, the lack of a pass rush, and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink
here with Garrett Downing. Ravens suffered a tough thirty eight
to thirty loss here at Mt. Banks Stadium on Monday
Night Football, and the game, Garrett, that I think we
can both agree was very Unravens like in multiple ways.
We're gonna break it down for you all here tonight
and Garrett, I think let's start with our three biggest
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takeaways from tonight's game. To me, the first one that
jumps out the poorest run defense for the Ravens. They
give up two hundred and twenty five rushing yards on
the ground. That's the third most during the Hardball era.
It includes a seventy two yard run by David Montgomery
of the Lions. We knew that this Lion's backfield was
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really good, Jamier Gibbs, Dave Montgomery. They have a good
offensive line, but that's just not good enough for the
Ravens defense.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
It's just not what we're used to seeing from this team,
and it's not gonna be good enough moving forward.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
It was everything.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
The lines did a lot of things well offensively in
this game, but it starts with their running game and
their ability to pick up chunk plays and to move
the ball to get short yard situations on second and
third down. All of it comes back to their ability
to run the ball. And I thought, I thought the
quote that stood out to me was from Kyle Hamilton
and talk about the run defense, and he said, we
just can't take it for granted, Like we're all used
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to this around here with a run defense being really good.
It's hard to put up a hundred yards on this team.
That's just how they tip it.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Typically.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Evoperated, if you've been watching Ravens football for the last
thirty years, teams typically don't come into this stadium and
run the ball effectively, certainly not like they did tonight.
And Hamilton's point is like, just because it's always been
good doesn't mean that it's going to be good just
because of that. And this is I think kind of
a wake up call to some degree to this defense
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and the way that they play, because this is not
what they are accustomed to. And I think that they,
in hearing from the team leaders of this game, they're
taking a hard look in the mirror what they need
to do differently to avoid any kind of repeat performance
like this well.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Obviously, the Ravens came into this game shorthanded defensively, two
big losses. Non the Matabik was sidelined because of a
neck injury, Kyle Vannoy because of a hamstring injury. I mean,
those are two Pro Bowl guys, you know, and they've
been the Ravens sack leaders each of the past two
seasons with that set. I asked Kyle Hamilton about the
impact of that, and he said, shame on us if
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we need a Pro Bowl guy to play good defense. Yeah,
and I mean that's a very fair point. I mean,
you come in with is a loaded with Pro bowlers
across this defense. They have the talent to stop other
teams on the ground.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
And in the air. Honestly, you know, the.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Five first round picks in the secondary, all that stuff, Like,
there's a lot of talent on this defense even without
these guys. Now, certainly, I think we saw the impact
that Nondemtabik has on this run defense and on the
pass rush and Kyle van Noy, right, it hurts. But
do they still have enough talent to play better than
defense than they did tonight? Yes, let's end. I think Also,
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the Lions are a good offense.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah, yeah, they're really offenses and footbright.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
But like it that said, thirty eight points giving up
two hundred more plus yards on the ground, it's not
that that's not gonna be acceptable. Yeah, if you want
to not if you want to like be a great,
a great defensive team and go in Super Bowl, you
know what I mean. Like that's the thing, Like, Okay, yeah,
the Lions are really good. You're missing two big players.
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Like that's important context, but like, you know what, if
you're gonna be the best team in the league, you
gotta be it's gotta be better than that.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Still against a really good team.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Well there was there were one of the stats out
there was they had twenty missed tackles and so like,
twenty miss tackles is just not gonna get it done
no matter who you're playing. And that's just not a
recipe for success. And for a team that has as
much talent and ability as this one, you can't have
games where you give up twenty tackles and like they're.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Just seventy two yard run by Dave Montgomery. You can't
give up seventy two.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yards, right, you just can't have those plays. And like
in talking with some of the team leaders. We heard
from Kyle Hamilton after the game. As we mentioned, we
heard from Marlon Humphrey and and Marlin made the point
that like we're just not very good right now, and
in talking about tackling, like Kyle's point was, so the
question is like what went wrong? Like why was this
the case? Why why did the defense give up as
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much as they did in this game? And Kyle's main
point is, like it comes down to like the simple things.
It's the tackling. It's it's just He's like it sounds
kind of simple and dumb, but like it's playing football,
like we're when we're in the position to make the play,
we need to make the play. And so it's like
they were pointing to like the simplistic elements of things
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like again twenty missed tackles, Like you can't have those
types of mistakes and expect to be a great defense.
And so that's where their focus is in terms of
what went wrong in this game.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Another big takeaway from this game another Derek Henry Fumbley
as three fo in three games now, including two in
the fourth quarter in Buffalo and here tonight when the
Ravens were trailing by four points. Had the ball defense
just got a big stop the stuff that they badly
needed your position to go down the field and potentially
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retake the lead. And what was a back and forth
game for much of the night, and another Derrick Henry fumble,
Aiden Hudgson comes from behind leaping punch right on the
ball and the Lions recover and then and go and.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Kick a field gold extended lead back to seven.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
So, I mean, that's got to be the most puzzling
thing of the season so far. Derek Henry had three
fumbles all of last season. He now has three and
three games. He's not a fumbler, right, Only twice in
his career has he had more than three fumbles in
a season. And I think everybody's at a loss, Derek included.
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I mean after the fumble, he basically too hands on
his helmet like in shock running walking back to the bench,
and then slams his helmet onto the bench. Like this
is a guy who, as he said multiple times out
the game, I'm my own worst critic, and like they
any any little tiny mistake eats Derrick Henry up, Like
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he gets the blocking assignment wrong.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
It just burns him up and.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
You know his WILLI Taggert, the Ravens running back coaches,
talked about getting texts very late at night from Derrick Henry,
you know, about something in practice that he didn't do
right that's still bothering him, and he's like, dude, you
got to like let it go. I can't imagine what
three fumbles in three games from Derrick Henry is like,
except the look on his face in the postgame locker room,
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which is just like.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
He can't believe it. You know. I think he's kind
of beside himself.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, we all saw it when after he came off
the field and was clearly frustrated and emotional after that fumble.
I think what made this one really only added to
the frustration is that he felt like he was in
composition and Aiden Hudginson made a really good play. He
was basically behind the play and then came back up
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the field. Henry had no idea that he was right
behind him and then punched out the ball, got his
hand right on it. He basically came out of nowhere
on that play. And part of the frustration for Henry
is that he was trying to piece together like what happened.
I was talking to everybody trying to figure out, like,
how did that happen? And then you add on the
fact that, like just the disappointment of it all, and
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he is his own toughs critic. After the game in
Buffalo were refumbled, he addressed the team afterwards talked about
how this is on me. I took ownership of this.
And after the game today he said, I apologize to
my teammates and my coaches, the flock nation. Like he's
wearing this heavily.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Right, He's apologized to the entire fan base. Yeah, like
he feels this.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
This is the guy that cares deeply and and he
works so hard where all everyone knows that and so
likes it's hard not to feel for him. For a
guy that like puts so much into this to have
these miscues.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
And similar feelings to Mark Andrews last year. Yeah, I
mean two very cut from the same cloth, those two guys. Yeah,
nobody works harder, nobody cares more than.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Those two guys.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
And so like when and when two of your best
players are the ones making the biggest mistakes, it's just like,
what is happening here? And so it's It's some things
you just can't explain, you know. I mean, could he
have had better ball position? Sure, Like you know, but
like the guy's run for a decade now and like
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has a history of that.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah, hey, like it was it was pretty high and time.
It wasn't like he was too loosey goosey with it.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, I mean like yes, yes, I mean to some degree,
like there is a degree of bad luck right aiden
Hudginson's retracing, uh and like just hand right on the ball.
Couldn't have punched it in a better spot right, That
was like a knockout punch.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
And to a degree there's bad luck. And it's almost
like what do you do if you're Derek?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
You know, like how do you practice that more right
and still like play like yourself?
Speaker 3 (09:07):
You know.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
There was a quote this week that Derek said to me,
or said to the group of us I should say
when asked about the blocking against Cleveland because it was
a rough day, you know, just yardage wise for Derick
Henry against the Browns last week. He also had a
fumble which was recovered by Toalm Wallace in that game.
But Derek, when asked about the blocking, was like if
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there's not a hole.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I got to make a hole.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
And sometimes to me, I'm like maybe, no, maybe, don't
you know what I mean, like protect the ball and
get what you get. I don't think this was necessarily
one of those situations. But like you know, Derek after
the game said, you know, I don't I got to
practice it.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Maybe be more cautious. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
It's just tough for a player as good as Dereck Henry,
wh's accomplished as Derrick Henry, Like you don't you in
some ways don't want them to change who Derrick Henry is.
But he's he's got to stop fumbling the ball, you know.
So it's not an easy solution.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Well, the crazy thing about this is that, like he's
a guy that has been honestly, he's been dominant since
he's been in high school. I mean he is, like
go back and look at his high school status. He
had like six thousand rushing yards high school, was a
Heisman Trophy winner in college, has built a Hall of
Fame resume in his career, and this stretch here of
three fumbals and three games is uncharted territory in a
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lot of ways for him, who's gonna have a gold
jacket one day, and he's got to figure he got
to work his way through it. John Harball was asked
about it after the game and said that he doesn't
expect it to be an issue moving forward, but it's
also something that has to get corrected. And so like
I don't I don't know. I don't think that, like,
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is a guy gonna come up in the next game
and retrace the way Aidan Hussinson did and make a
great play on the ball and pop it out like
that type that was that was a great play by him.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
So like I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
That, like that's a trend, but like you don't also
want it to to your point, you don't want it
to alter the way that he's necessarily playing the game.
You don't want it on his mind at all times.
And it's going to be like it is gonna be
there until until the course of a few games that
you're not fumbling, Like it's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
The defenders are gonna be taking their punches to I mean,
defenders are gonna they're gonna be saying in those defensive
meeting rooms in Kansas City. This week, he's fumbled three
times in three games. Go for the ball, go for
the ball, go for the punch out, Like all right,
you might get stiff arm, but go for that ball.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
And like so he's just gotta protect it better, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
I mean, uh, it's it's it's tough for a player
that has had this much success to see him struggle
in this way. I think it's kind of an anomaly
to a degree. Like I'm not hitting the panic button
on Derrick Henry by any stretch of the imagination. I
think it'll work itself out. But until it does, it's
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gonna be on everybody his mind.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
The other thing, too, honestly, on the run game is
I just don't think the Ravens are running the ball
effectively enough.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Yeah, right now, that's to me, that's the bigger yes problem.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I mean, situationally, the fumbles are an issue, but what's
Unravens like, like we talked about at the top of this,
is they're not running the ball particularly well, which has
been this seam's bread and butter. And tonight, how many
rushing yards did they have here?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
The offense had eighty five rushing yards total, fifty by
Derrick Henry, fifty by Henry and like early on you
felt like, okay, this is gonna be that we're back
to normal, because a week ago the Browns really sold
out to stop the run and it was the lowest
rushing total Dereck Henry has had in a Ravens uniform. Well,
then early on in this game, he rate scampers for
a touchdown and makes a great move on that play,
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gets into the open grass and takes it to the
house quarter twenty eight yard touchdown.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
They're like, here we go.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
He had more yards on that touchdown run than he
had all last week. And you're thinking, like, all right,
here we go. That was the one game anomally we're
back to normal here. And then there was kind of
tough sledding the rest of the way. Even when the
Ravens were on the goal line, they couldn't punch it
in with Henry, and typically in his career and during
his sign with the Ravens, like you get him the
ball at one yard line, just go ahead and that's
six points automatic first And it wasn't the case tonight.
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And so it's just that they haven't been able to
run the ball effectively enough. And I know Henry's putting
a lot of that on his shoulders, saying I need
to be better. But it also seems like at the
line of scrimmage, the Ravens are having a tough time
winning the line of scrimmage the last two weeks.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Yeah, that's that's right.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I mean, the run game here in Baltimore has been
the strength of the team for a number of years,
and that also includes the Lamar Jackson run game. And
I thought the Lions also really put the clamps on that.
Lamar really didn't get loose throughout the game. They used
a spy on him frequently and did it quite well.
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I asked Lamar Jackson. You know, Lamar cited the spy
as a problem. I asked him, well, you've seen a
spy before. What were the Lions doing differently? He said,
they're basically just doing it. Well, yeah, but that was
causing problems. I think that also led to seven sacks,
which is way too many sacks. And you know, Lamar's
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kind of looking down the field trying to make a play,
trying to extend the play with his legs, and then
they're flying that spy is.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Flying downhill on him and they eventually close it.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
And so whatever the Lions did defensively, especially with that
spy and the kind of the too deep coverage. The
Ravens are gonna have to go to work on that
because it's a copycat league and other teams are going
to try to simulate that.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yeah, I think it's a good point.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Like we've seen that plenty of times, like when the
Ravens have a bad offensive showing. I'm not going to
say tonight was a bad offensive showing that they finished
with thirty points the late touchdown, but I'm not saying
it was a bad offensive showing. But it wasn't they
put up over forty the first two games of the season.
But I do think that that spy caused issues, And
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so I'm with you, Like I go back to several
years ago now the Miami game on a Thursday night,
the cover zero blitz and then it was like everybody
was doing the cover zero and so I don't know
if it's going to go that extreme, but like, I
will not be surprised one bit if we see a
spy with Kansas City next week based on some of
the challenges that Detroit caused in tonight's game.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, and certainly that's nothing new this is not the
first time again that a team has used a spy
on Lamar jacks It's not a novel idea, but there's
a lot of intricacies to that also, And so the
just the rush plan in general for the Lions I
thought was pretty darn good, and quite frankly, the Ravens
offensive line just didn't do a good enough job of
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blocking for Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
And sometimes Lamar needs to get the ball out a
little bit bit faster, you know, And.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Those two things play into each other. Part of the
magic of Lamar is, you know, and he did it
at times tonight, is he can skip around, extend plays
and make unreal throws, which he did some tonight. But
sometimes when you're escaping and run around in the backfield
and trying to make something happen and they clamp down
on you, they get you. And they got them several
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times tonight, and it was costly.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Another area where I want to see the offense just
play a little bit more a little better situationally is
when they're around the goal line, like they just have
not been all that effective around the goal line tonight.
Is an example, like then the tes walker gets them
down inside the five on a big play and they're
not able to punch it in. They're going backwards on
that drive, end up turning it over on downs and
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like even it was late and I don't know how
much it really mattered, but like they score, they go
for two, they basically get two shots at the two
point conversion because of a penalty. Neither of them are complete,
and like this is something we've seen throughout this year
at times, even go back to last year in the
playoff game, and so like being better around around the
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goal line, like that's where games are won and loss yea.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
And the thing that's just.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
So difficult is like they seem like they're built to
be great at the goal line with Derrick Henry, with Lamar.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
To respect Lamar's legs, right, Like Mark Anders is.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
A touchdown machine, rare Shan Bateman is really good, and
that part of the field, say Flowers can get open,
you have DeAndre Hopkins now, Like it's mystifying to me
because they have all these pieces and weapons that you're like, oh,
this team should be able to score one hundred percent
of the time they're inside the five yard line, and
it just hasn't been that way.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Yeah, that's another riddle.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
I would say that Todd Munkin is going to be
asked about this week, and I'm sure that's bothering him
as well. They need to be better down there inside
the five. There's no ifsens or butts about it. One
to me, I think is the defense. You give up
a ninety eight and ninety six yard drives. Those are
back breaking drives.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
You just can't.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
You can't give up back breaking drives like that, even
for your own good.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
I mean, I think that.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
The first one of those, the ninety eight yard drive,
took ten minutes off the clock, more than ten minutes.
I mean, that's also We'll wait and see the snap counts,
but I think the defense was on the field a
lot in part because the offense isn't running the ball
very well, so it's been kind of a big play,
quick strike offense thus far. The defense is playing a
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lot of snaps. Again, you know, I'm not making excuses.
It's got to be better than this, but like and
to their own because of their own mistakes, that's why
they're on the field for so long too. Yeah, not
getting off the field on third down and then fourth down,
Lions were just better situationally than the Ravens. Where you
talk about the goal line situation. The Lions were three
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for three on fourth down, including a pitch a really
clever play down near the goal line with a handoff
to Amana Rossain Brown and then he pitched it outside
to Jamier and Gibbs for a touchdown. And then one
near midfield where the Lions only were up by a
touchdown and they go for it fourth and two and
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get the huge play late in the fourth to basically
ice the game. So you know, that's the other element
is like the Ravens just haven't they They haven't made
the clutch plays in the clutch moments in either of
their losses. Yeah, that's just if you know Buffalo and
here tonight, the other team made clutch plays and clutch
situations and the Ravens are not.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
You talk about those long drives, the word that Kyle
Hamilton used, which I think is fitting, is demoralizing when
you have those kind of drives. And again on characteristic,
you think when the when the Ravens have a team
pinned back and the shadow of their own goalposts in
this atmosphere, I mean, it was rocking here tonight. It
was loud, it was a difficult environment, and when you
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have an away team in that situation, you think, here's
the three, they're just trying to get a few yards,
and then punts act like.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
That's what you're thinking. They're trying to get the punters
some room.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
And then it's like on first down, boom, like eight
yard run and you're like, okay that now they're off
to the races, right they pick it up chunks and
those are just the things that we're not used to
seeing from this de and yeah, like Detroit, Man, like
they came up when they had key situations you mentioned
three for three on fourth down. Two of those were
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like game they were basically the game changing plays. One
of them essentially ice the game. And then David Montgomery
had the long run or was the Jamier Gibbs late
in the game. Yeah, they accomplished a lot of long
runs here, but they had they had they go for
it on fourth and two and basically ice the game.
And then on that on that fourth down the goal
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line just was a really nifty play with armand ros
Saint Brown on the pitch play and like that, Uh,
to be able to convert those plays is what makes
a difference in winning a loss, and the Lions were
able to make those plays in this game. The one
other point too, that I want to make on the
defense is, uh, they just were not getting enough pressure
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on on Jared.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Zero sax, zero sacks the Lions seven.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah, and and they and Marlon Humphrey and talking about it.
The point that he made is like they weren't disruptive enough.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
They weren't getting.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Them zero takeaway zero sacks, right, they weren't enough to
win that way.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
They weren't getting the Lions like off schedule at all.
And so they're not disrupting things in the backfield, you're
not getting pressure. Like they can kind of operate the
way they wanted to operate their offense, and like that's
what the lines are so good at. They established the
ground game, they run play action, They have a whole
bag of cool trick plays that they break out.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
This was the script for the Lions offense.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
They followed their perfect script for the most part in
tonight's game. It's not a good feeling for the Ravens defense.
That's demoralizing when the other team comes into your stadium
and they basically just run the.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Show and that's what they were able to do. And
so like that, going back to the pressure piece again,
you're out Kyle Vanoi, you're without nom the Ota BK
not going to minimize those Those are significant losses. But
you need to find a way to get pressure on
the quarterback, and the Ravens just were not able to
do it tonight.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yeah, I mean, some of those other guys, we talked
about it all week. Those guys are gonna have to
step up, and it just happened tonight. Again, the Lions
have a good offensive line. That's a tough line to
get pressure on. You know, we're talking about we're all
excited for Mike Green while he's going against Penai Sewell,
who's one of the best right tackles in football. You know,
Taylor Decker on the other side is a pretty darn
good left tackle.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yea.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
And so but with that said, like there's blitz is,
there's other ways to get pressure none if it works
for the Ravens tonight.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
So we're gonna take a quick break.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
When we come back, we'll give our final thoughts on
this game and talk about where the Ravens go from here.
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Crown is yours. So I know there's not too many
people probably in the positive mood after this game, but
a couple of notes that I do think are good signs.
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It's good to see Mark Andrews get going in this game.
Had two touchdowns again, one was late, but he was
more featured in this offense. And that touchdown that he
had was a great catch and like as perfect of
a throw as you're going to stay throw in any
level of football. Like that was a perfect pitch and
catch from Lamar to Mark and a really key piece
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part of that game. And so I think it was
just good to see Mark be a featured guy and
show you know he still got it well.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
The one of the talking points going into the game
was where's Mark Andrews and where's the Shoan Bateman. They
were the two leading receivers tonight, Mark Andrews six targets,
Rashat Bateman seven targets. Mark caught six for ninety one,
Roshat Bateman five for sixty three. Bateman also had a touchdown.
So yeah, seeing those two guys have kind of a
breakout game early in this season. You know, it's no
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surprise for them. Both have had a ton of success
over their careers. And it wasn't something that I was
like worried about. I mean, Ack, the offense had put
up forty points for each game coming into tonight, so
you knew it was it was gonna come eventually for
those two players. I mean, and on the flip side,
you know, yeah, you're happy about that. There's a lot
of people out there that are like, well, why didn't
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say Flowers get more?
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Right, this is just the conversation we're gonna have every
single week because not everybody can get seven targets. Yeah,
so Zay Flowers had three targets, caught two passes for
thirteen yards.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
You know, people are gonna be like, what the heck.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
We forget about Zay Flower? You know, So this is
just how it's gonna work. I just would never get
caught too caught up too much in the whole targets.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
To be honest, It's gonna vary per game. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Did the Lions do something to take away Zay Flowers
more than usual.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Brayson, our producer, says they were holding him.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Maybe that's the case. We'd have to go back and
look at that.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
He might get held a lot, you know, considering how
fast the start he got off to. So but you know,
we'll see. I think that game by game, the Ravens
are gonna be able to pivot. They need to be
able to pivot and use different weapons.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
I was surprised that he didn't get more targets, just
like I'm like.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
The game played out the way that it did, but
like I actually thought this could be a game where
like this is your yeah, could just be a double
digit game for him in terms of targets, Like I
thought that based on how good he was the first
two weeks and just his ability to Again, I just
keep using the phrase like jump start the offense, like
if if he just is like if the offense needs
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a spark, he's the guy to provide it. And I
was a little surprised that it didn't play out that way.
But but again I agree with you wholeheartedly in that,
like there's gonna be somebody that's left out of the
mix every week because it's just not possible to get
everybody the ball every single week. And so I thought,
I think it was good to see Andrews and Bateman
getting the action and they both look good, So I
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thought that was encouraging. Yeah, now like the Ravens now
they go the truth is like, look, this loss is it.
It hurts. It was not the best displayed by any means.
And I think that this game is forcing this team
to take kind of a hard look in the mirror.
And that was definitely like the refrain that we heard
from guys afterwards. Yeah, but like like, well the Lines
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are a really good team.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
I was.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
That's kind of my point is like going into this game,
this is a billing of like, okay, is this a
potential super Bowl preview? Yeah, well it's a wake up call.
And La March Jaxson said they've had three wake up
calls now. They had a wake up call in Buffalo,
wake up call against the Browns because they got off
to a slow start, and a wake up call tonight.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
So hopefully the Ravens are awake. Gotten three calls.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
But like this was a potential Super Bowl preview, and
if it was right now, the Ravens aren't good enough.
That's that's the cold, hard truth right now. Now we're
in week three, there's a lot of times to get
better and to get good enough. Right I'm not going
to sit here and be like, oh my gosh, you
know we're sunk by any not that way, by any
stretches of the imagination. But they got to get better
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in multiple fastests. And John Harbal was pretty clear about that. Yeah,
said was not good enough in the runs. Defense, was
not good enough. Running the ball was not good enough
in multiple areas this game. In the pass rush, not
good enough. John Harwell said, he was pretty clear. You know,
he wasn't glossing over this loss. And I don't think
the Ravens will.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
I think it's a.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
It's a big game coming up here in Kansas City.
That's like this big game on Sunday, like you want
to win it.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
It stings, but it's far from far NFC opponent.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yes, and the Ravens are very much in the AFC
North chase that I would still say that the Ravens
are the strongest team in the AFC North. They are
still gonna the favored team to win this division. You
lose to an NFC team in a measuring stick kind
of game, all right, doesn't feel good, feels like a
gut punch. I think the Ravens are still in good position.
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But in order to beat a team like the Lions
down the road potentially and reach those goals that you
ultimately have, you're gonna have to get better.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
And I think that that comes back to this game
in Kansas City, which the implications of that game. I
think we're only elevated after this because you have two
teams there who are both one and two yep, and
it's it's been a disciplin winning started the season for
both of those teams, and one of them is leaving
Kansas City next week at one of three and then
hold them and those coming into the season, everyone felt
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like these are two of the best teams in the
a f C. And so I think that that only
adds to the importance of this game. And the Ravens
are quickly turning the page and focusing on this one
because they know what's at stake a short week on
a short week, so we'll.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Be talking about that all week. As always, you can.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Email us at the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net.
Thank you so much for listening and we will be
back with you again later this week.
Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink
here with Garrett Downing. Ravens suffered a tough thirty eight
to thirty loss here at Mt. Banks Stadium on Monday
Night Football, and the game, Garrett, that I think we
can both agree was very Unravens like in multiple ways.
We're gonna break it down for you all here tonight
and Garrett, I think let's start with our three biggest
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takeaways from tonight's game. To me, the first one that
jumps out the poorest run defense for the Ravens. They
give up two hundred and twenty five rushing yards on
the ground. That's the third most during the Hardball era.
It includes a seventy two yard run by David Montgomery
of the Lions. We knew that this Lion's backfield was
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really good, Jamier Gibbs, Dave Montgomery. They have a good
offensive line, but that's just not good enough for the
Ravens defense.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
It's just not what we're used to seeing from this team,
and it's not gonna be good enough moving forward.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
It was everything.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
The lines did a lot of things well offensively in
this game, but it starts with their running game and
their ability to pick up chunk plays and to move
the ball to get short yard situations on second and
third down. All of it comes back to their ability
to run the ball. And I thought, I thought the
quote that stood out to me was from Kyle Hamilton
and talk about the run defense, and he said, we
just can't take it for granted, Like we're all used
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to this around here with a run defense being really good.
It's hard to put up a hundred yards on this team.
That's just how they tip it.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Typically.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Evoperated, if you've been watching Ravens football for the last
thirty years, teams typically don't come into this stadium and
run the ball effectively, certainly not like they did tonight.
And Hamilton's point is like, just because it's always been
good doesn't mean that it's going to be good just
because of that. And this is I think kind of
a wake up call to some degree to this defense
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and the way that they play, because this is not
what they are accustomed to. And I think that they,
in hearing from the team leaders of this game, they're
taking a hard look in the mirror what they need
to do differently to avoid any kind of repeat performance
like this well.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Obviously, the Ravens came into this game shorthanded defensively, two
big losses. Non the Matabik was sidelined because of a
neck injury, Kyle Vannoy because of a hamstring injury. I mean,
those are two Pro Bowl guys, you know, and they've
been the Ravens sack leaders each of the past two
seasons with that set. I asked Kyle Hamilton about the
impact of that, and he said, shame on us if
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we need a Pro Bowl guy to play good defense. Yeah,
and I mean that's a very fair point. I mean,
you come in with is a loaded with Pro bowlers
across this defense. They have the talent to stop other
teams on the ground.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
And in the air. Honestly, you know, the.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Five first round picks in the secondary, all that stuff, Like,
there's a lot of talent on this defense even without
these guys. Now, certainly, I think we saw the impact
that Nondemtabik has on this run defense and on the
pass rush and Kyle van Noy, right, it hurts. But
do they still have enough talent to play better than
defense than they did tonight? Yes, let's end. I think Also,
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the Lions are a good offense.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah, yeah, they're really offenses and footbright.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
But like it that said, thirty eight points giving up
two hundred more plus yards on the ground, it's not
that that's not gonna be acceptable. Yeah, if you want
to not if you want to like be a great,
a great defensive team and go in Super Bowl, you
know what I mean. Like that's the thing, Like, Okay, yeah,
the Lions are really good. You're missing two big players.
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Like that's important context, but like, you know what, if
you're gonna be the best team in the league, you
gotta be it's gotta be better than that.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Still against a really good team.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Well there was there were one of the stats out
there was they had twenty missed tackles and so like,
twenty miss tackles is just not gonna get it done
no matter who you're playing. And that's just not a
recipe for success. And for a team that has as
much talent and ability as this one, you can't have
games where you give up twenty tackles and like they're.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Just seventy two yard run by Dave Montgomery. You can't
give up seventy two.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yards, right, you just can't have those plays. And like
in talking with some of the team leaders. We heard
from Kyle Hamilton after the game. As we mentioned, we
heard from Marlon Humphrey and and Marlin made the point
that like we're just not very good right now, and
in talking about tackling, like Kyle's point was, so the
question is like what went wrong? Like why was this
the case? Why why did the defense give up as
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much as they did in this game? And Kyle's main
point is, like it comes down to like the simple things.
It's the tackling. It's it's just He's like it sounds
kind of simple and dumb, but like it's playing football,
like we're when we're in the position to make the play,
we need to make the play. And so it's like
they were pointing to like the simplistic elements of things
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like again twenty missed tackles, Like you can't have those
types of mistakes and expect to be a great defense.
And so that's where their focus is in terms of
what went wrong in this game.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Another big takeaway from this game another Derek Henry Fumbley
as three fo in three games now, including two in
the fourth quarter in Buffalo and here tonight when the
Ravens were trailing by four points. Had the ball defense
just got a big stop the stuff that they badly
needed your position to go down the field and potentially
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retake the lead. And what was a back and forth
game for much of the night, and another Derrick Henry fumble,
Aiden Hudgson comes from behind leaping punch right on the
ball and the Lions recover and then and go and.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Kick a field gold extended lead back to seven.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
So, I mean, that's got to be the most puzzling
thing of the season so far. Derek Henry had three
fumbles all of last season. He now has three and
three games. He's not a fumbler, right, Only twice in
his career has he had more than three fumbles in
a season. And I think everybody's at a loss, Derek included.
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I mean after the fumble, he basically too hands on
his helmet like in shock running walking back to the bench,
and then slams his helmet onto the bench. Like this
is a guy who, as he said multiple times out
the game, I'm my own worst critic, and like they
any any little tiny mistake eats Derrick Henry up, Like
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he gets the blocking assignment wrong.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
It just burns him up and.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
You know his WILLI Taggert, the Ravens running back coaches,
talked about getting texts very late at night from Derrick Henry,
you know, about something in practice that he didn't do
right that's still bothering him, and he's like, dude, you
got to like let it go. I can't imagine what
three fumbles in three games from Derrick Henry is like,
except the look on his face in the postgame locker room,
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which is just like.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
He can't believe it. You know. I think he's kind
of beside himself.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, we all saw it when after he came off
the field and was clearly frustrated and emotional after that fumble.
I think what made this one really only added to
the frustration is that he felt like he was in
composition and Aiden Hudginson made a really good play. He
was basically behind the play and then came back up
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the field. Henry had no idea that he was right
behind him and then punched out the ball, got his
hand right on it. He basically came out of nowhere
on that play. And part of the frustration for Henry
is that he was trying to piece together like what happened.
I was talking to everybody trying to figure out, like,
how did that happen? And then you add on the
fact that, like just the disappointment of it all, and
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he is his own toughs critic. After the game in
Buffalo were refumbled, he addressed the team afterwards talked about
how this is on me. I took ownership of this.
And after the game today he said, I apologize to
my teammates and my coaches, the flock nation. Like he's
wearing this heavily.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Right, He's apologized to the entire fan base. Yeah, like
he feels this.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
This is the guy that cares deeply and and he
works so hard where all everyone knows that and so
likes it's hard not to feel for him. For a
guy that like puts so much into this to have
these miscues.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
And similar feelings to Mark Andrews last year. Yeah, I
mean two very cut from the same cloth, those two guys. Yeah,
nobody works harder, nobody cares more than.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Those two guys.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
And so like when and when two of your best
players are the ones making the biggest mistakes, it's just like,
what is happening here? And so it's It's some things
you just can't explain, you know. I mean, could he
have had better ball position? Sure, Like you know, but
like the guy's run for a decade now and like
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has a history of that.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah, hey, like it was it was pretty high and time.
It wasn't like he was too loosey goosey with it.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, I mean like yes, yes, I mean to some degree,
like there is a degree of bad luck right aiden
Hudginson's retracing, uh and like just hand right on the ball.
Couldn't have punched it in a better spot right, That
was like a knockout punch.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
And to a degree there's bad luck. And it's almost
like what do you do if you're Derek?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
You know, like how do you practice that more right
and still like play like yourself?
Speaker 3 (09:07):
You know.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
There was a quote this week that Derek said to me,
or said to the group of us I should say
when asked about the blocking against Cleveland because it was
a rough day, you know, just yardage wise for Derick
Henry against the Browns last week. He also had a
fumble which was recovered by Toalm Wallace in that game.
But Derek, when asked about the blocking, was like if
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there's not a hole.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I got to make a hole.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
And sometimes to me, I'm like maybe, no, maybe, don't
you know what I mean, like protect the ball and
get what you get. I don't think this was necessarily
one of those situations. But like you know, Derek after
the game said, you know, I don't I got to
practice it.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Maybe be more cautious. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
It's just tough for a player as good as Dereck Henry,
wh's accomplished as Derrick Henry, Like you don't you in
some ways don't want them to change who Derrick Henry is.
But he's he's got to stop fumbling the ball, you know.
So it's not an easy solution.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Well, the crazy thing about this is that, like he's
a guy that has been honestly, he's been dominant since
he's been in high school. I mean he is, like
go back and look at his high school status. He
had like six thousand rushing yards high school, was a
Heisman Trophy winner in college, has built a Hall of
Fame resume in his career, and this stretch here of
three fumbals and three games is uncharted territory in a
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lot of ways for him, who's gonna have a gold
jacket one day, and he's got to figure he got
to work his way through it. John Harball was asked
about it after the game and said that he doesn't
expect it to be an issue moving forward, but it's
also something that has to get corrected. And so like
I don't I don't know. I don't think that, like,
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is a guy gonna come up in the next game
and retrace the way Aidan Hussinson did and make a
great play on the ball and pop it out like
that type that was that was a great play by him.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
So like I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
That, like that's a trend, but like you don't also
want it to to your point, you don't want it
to alter the way that he's necessarily playing the game.
You don't want it on his mind at all times.
And it's going to be like it is gonna be
there until until the course of a few games that
you're not fumbling, Like it's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
The defenders are gonna be taking their punches to I mean,
defenders are gonna they're gonna be saying in those defensive
meeting rooms in Kansas City. This week, he's fumbled three
times in three games. Go for the ball, go for
the ball, go for the punch out, Like all right,
you might get stiff arm, but go for that ball.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
And like so he's just gotta protect it better, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
I mean, uh, it's it's it's tough for a player
that has had this much success to see him struggle
in this way. I think it's kind of an anomaly
to a degree. Like I'm not hitting the panic button
on Derrick Henry by any stretch of the imagination. I
think it'll work itself out. But until it does, it's
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gonna be on everybody his mind.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
The other thing, too, honestly, on the run game is
I just don't think the Ravens are running the ball
effectively enough.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Yeah, right now, that's to me, that's the bigger yes problem.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I mean, situationally, the fumbles are an issue, but what's
Unravens like, like we talked about at the top of this,
is they're not running the ball particularly well, which has
been this seam's bread and butter. And tonight, how many
rushing yards did they have here?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
The offense had eighty five rushing yards total, fifty by
Derrick Henry, fifty by Henry and like early on you
felt like, okay, this is gonna be that we're back
to normal, because a week ago the Browns really sold
out to stop the run and it was the lowest
rushing total Dereck Henry has had in a Ravens uniform. Well,
then early on in this game, he rate scampers for
a touchdown and makes a great move on that play,
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gets into the open grass and takes it to the
house quarter twenty eight yard touchdown.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
They're like, here we go.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
He had more yards on that touchdown run than he
had all last week. And you're thinking, like, all right,
here we go. That was the one game anomally we're
back to normal here. And then there was kind of
tough sledding the rest of the way. Even when the
Ravens were on the goal line, they couldn't punch it
in with Henry, and typically in his career and during
his sign with the Ravens, like you get him the
ball at one yard line, just go ahead and that's
six points automatic first And it wasn't the case tonight.
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And so it's just that they haven't been able to
run the ball effectively enough. And I know Henry's putting
a lot of that on his shoulders, saying I need
to be better. But it also seems like at the
line of scrimmage, the Ravens are having a tough time
winning the line of scrimmage the last two weeks.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Yeah, that's that's right.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I mean, the run game here in Baltimore has been
the strength of the team for a number of years,
and that also includes the Lamar Jackson run game. And
I thought the Lions also really put the clamps on that.
Lamar really didn't get loose throughout the game. They used
a spy on him frequently and did it quite well.
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I asked Lamar Jackson. You know, Lamar cited the spy
as a problem. I asked him, well, you've seen a
spy before. What were the Lions doing differently? He said,
they're basically just doing it. Well, yeah, but that was
causing problems. I think that also led to seven sacks,
which is way too many sacks. And you know, Lamar's
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kind of looking down the field trying to make a play,
trying to extend the play with his legs, and then
they're flying that spy is.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Flying downhill on him and they eventually close it.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
And so whatever the Lions did defensively, especially with that
spy and the kind of the too deep coverage. The
Ravens are gonna have to go to work on that
because it's a copycat league and other teams are going
to try to simulate that.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yeah, I think it's a good point.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Like we've seen that plenty of times, like when the
Ravens have a bad offensive showing. I'm not going to
say tonight was a bad offensive showing that they finished
with thirty points the late touchdown, but I'm not saying
it was a bad offensive showing. But it wasn't they
put up over forty the first two games of the season.
But I do think that that spy caused issues, And
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so I'm with you, Like I go back to several
years ago now the Miami game on a Thursday night,
the cover zero blitz and then it was like everybody
was doing the cover zero and so I don't know
if it's going to go that extreme, but like, I
will not be surprised one bit if we see a
spy with Kansas City next week based on some of
the challenges that Detroit caused in tonight's game.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, and certainly that's nothing new this is not the
first time again that a team has used a spy
on Lamar jacks It's not a novel idea, but there's
a lot of intricacies to that also, And so the
just the rush plan in general for the Lions I
thought was pretty darn good, and quite frankly, the Ravens
offensive line just didn't do a good enough job of
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blocking for Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
And sometimes Lamar needs to get the ball out a
little bit bit faster, you know, And.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Those two things play into each other. Part of the
magic of Lamar is, you know, and he did it
at times tonight, is he can skip around, extend plays
and make unreal throws, which he did some tonight. But
sometimes when you're escaping and run around in the backfield
and trying to make something happen and they clamp down
on you, they get you. And they got them several
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times tonight, and it was costly.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Another area where I want to see the offense just
play a little bit more a little better situationally is
when they're around the goal line, like they just have
not been all that effective around the goal line tonight.
Is an example, like then the tes walker gets them
down inside the five on a big play and they're
not able to punch it in. They're going backwards on
that drive, end up turning it over on downs and
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like even it was late and I don't know how
much it really mattered, but like they score, they go
for two, they basically get two shots at the two
point conversion because of a penalty. Neither of them are complete,
and like this is something we've seen throughout this year
at times, even go back to last year in the
playoff game, and so like being better around around the
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goal line, like that's where games are won and loss yea.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
And the thing that's just.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
So difficult is like they seem like they're built to
be great at the goal line with Derrick Henry, with Lamar.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
To respect Lamar's legs, right, Like Mark Anders is.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
A touchdown machine, rare Shan Bateman is really good, and
that part of the field, say Flowers can get open,
you have DeAndre Hopkins now, Like it's mystifying to me
because they have all these pieces and weapons that you're like, oh,
this team should be able to score one hundred percent
of the time they're inside the five yard line, and
it just hasn't been that way.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Yeah, that's another riddle.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
I would say that Todd Munkin is going to be
asked about this week, and I'm sure that's bothering him
as well. They need to be better down there inside
the five. There's no ifsens or butts about it. One
to me, I think is the defense. You give up
a ninety eight and ninety six yard drives. Those are
back breaking drives.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
You just can't.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
You can't give up back breaking drives like that, even
for your own good.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
I mean, I think that.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
The first one of those, the ninety eight yard drive,
took ten minutes off the clock, more than ten minutes.
I mean, that's also We'll wait and see the snap counts,
but I think the defense was on the field a
lot in part because the offense isn't running the ball
very well, so it's been kind of a big play,
quick strike offense thus far. The defense is playing a
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lot of snaps. Again, you know, I'm not making excuses.
It's got to be better than this, but like and
to their own because of their own mistakes, that's why
they're on the field for so long too. Yeah, not
getting off the field on third down and then fourth down,
Lions were just better situationally than the Ravens. Where you
talk about the goal line situation. The Lions were three
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for three on fourth down, including a pitch a really
clever play down near the goal line with a handoff
to Amana Rossain Brown and then he pitched it outside
to Jamier and Gibbs for a touchdown. And then one
near midfield where the Lions only were up by a
touchdown and they go for it fourth and two and
(18:58):
get the huge play late in the fourth to basically
ice the game. So you know, that's the other element
is like the Ravens just haven't they They haven't made
the clutch plays in the clutch moments in either of
their losses. Yeah, that's just if you know Buffalo and
here tonight, the other team made clutch plays and clutch
situations and the Ravens are not.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
You talk about those long drives, the word that Kyle
Hamilton used, which I think is fitting, is demoralizing when
you have those kind of drives. And again on characteristic,
you think when the when the Ravens have a team
pinned back and the shadow of their own goalposts in
this atmosphere, I mean, it was rocking here tonight. It
was loud, it was a difficult environment, and when you
(19:39):
have an away team in that situation, you think, here's
the three, they're just trying to get a few yards,
and then punts act like.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
That's what you're thinking. They're trying to get the punters
some room.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
And then it's like on first down, boom, like eight
yard run and you're like, okay that now they're off
to the races, right they pick it up chunks and
those are just the things that we're not used to
seeing from this de and yeah, like Detroit, Man, like
they came up when they had key situations you mentioned
three for three on fourth down. Two of those were
(20:10):
like game they were basically the game changing plays. One
of them essentially ice the game. And then David Montgomery
had the long run or was the Jamier Gibbs late
in the game. Yeah, they accomplished a lot of long
runs here, but they had they had they go for
it on fourth and two and basically ice the game.
And then on that on that fourth down the goal
(20:32):
line just was a really nifty play with armand ros
Saint Brown on the pitch play and like that, Uh,
to be able to convert those plays is what makes
a difference in winning a loss, and the Lions were
able to make those plays in this game. The one
other point too, that I want to make on the
defense is, uh, they just were not getting enough pressure
(20:54):
on on Jared.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Zero sax, zero sacks the Lions seven.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah, and and they and Marlon Humphrey and talking about it.
The point that he made is like they weren't disruptive enough.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
They weren't getting.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Them zero takeaway zero sacks, right, they weren't enough to
win that way.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
They weren't getting the Lions like off schedule at all.
And so they're not disrupting things in the backfield, you're
not getting pressure. Like they can kind of operate the
way they wanted to operate their offense, and like that's
what the lines are so good at. They established the
ground game, they run play action, They have a whole
bag of cool trick plays that they break out.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
This was the script for the Lions offense.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
They followed their perfect script for the most part in
tonight's game. It's not a good feeling for the Ravens defense.
That's demoralizing when the other team comes into your stadium
and they basically just run the.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Show and that's what they were able to do. And
so like that, going back to the pressure piece again,
you're out Kyle Vanoi, you're without nom the Ota BK
not going to minimize those Those are significant losses. But
you need to find a way to get pressure on
the quarterback, and the Ravens just were not able to
do it tonight.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yeah, I mean, some of those other guys, we talked
about it all week. Those guys are gonna have to
step up, and it just happened tonight. Again, the Lions
have a good offensive line. That's a tough line to
get pressure on. You know, we're talking about we're all
excited for Mike Green while he's going against Penai Sewell,
who's one of the best right tackles in football. You know,
Taylor Decker on the other side is a pretty darn
good left tackle.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yea.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
And so but with that said, like there's blitz is,
there's other ways to get pressure none if it works
for the Ravens tonight.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
So we're gonna take a quick break.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
When we come back, we'll give our final thoughts on
this game and talk about where the Ravens go from here.
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Crown is yours. So I know there's not too many
people probably in the positive mood after this game, but
a couple of notes that I do think are good signs.
(22:53):
It's good to see Mark Andrews get going in this game.
Had two touchdowns again, one was late, but he was
more featured in this offense. And that touchdown that he
had was a great catch and like as perfect of
a throw as you're going to stay throw in any
level of football. Like that was a perfect pitch and
catch from Lamar to Mark and a really key piece
(23:15):
part of that game. And so I think it was
just good to see Mark be a featured guy and
show you know he still got it well.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
The one of the talking points going into the game
was where's Mark Andrews and where's the Shoan Bateman. They
were the two leading receivers tonight, Mark Andrews six targets,
Rashat Bateman seven targets. Mark caught six for ninety one,
Roshat Bateman five for sixty three. Bateman also had a touchdown.
So yeah, seeing those two guys have kind of a
breakout game early in this season. You know, it's no
(23:46):
surprise for them. Both have had a ton of success
over their careers. And it wasn't something that I was
like worried about. I mean, Ack, the offense had put
up forty points for each game coming into tonight, so
you knew it was it was gonna come eventually for
those two players. I mean, and on the flip side,
you know, yeah, you're happy about that. There's a lot
of people out there that are like, well, why didn't
(24:08):
say Flowers get more?
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Right, this is just the conversation we're gonna have every
single week because not everybody can get seven targets. Yeah,
so Zay Flowers had three targets, caught two passes for
thirteen yards.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
You know, people are gonna be like, what the heck.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
We forget about Zay Flower? You know, So this is
just how it's gonna work. I just would never get
caught too caught up too much in the whole targets.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
To be honest, It's gonna vary per game. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Did the Lions do something to take away Zay Flowers
more than usual.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Brayson, our producer, says they were holding him.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Maybe that's the case. We'd have to go back and
look at that.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
He might get held a lot, you know, considering how
fast the start he got off to. So but you know,
we'll see. I think that game by game, the Ravens
are gonna be able to pivot. They need to be
able to pivot and use different weapons.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
I was surprised that he didn't get more targets, just
like I'm like.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
The game played out the way that it did, but
like I actually thought this could be a game where
like this is your yeah, could just be a double
digit game for him in terms of targets, Like I
thought that based on how good he was the first
two weeks and just his ability to Again, I just
keep using the phrase like jump start the offense, like
if if he just is like if the offense needs
(25:23):
a spark, he's the guy to provide it. And I
was a little surprised that it didn't play out that way.
But but again I agree with you wholeheartedly in that,
like there's gonna be somebody that's left out of the
mix every week because it's just not possible to get
everybody the ball every single week. And so I thought,
I think it was good to see Andrews and Bateman
getting the action and they both look good, So I
(25:44):
thought that was encouraging. Yeah, now like the Ravens now
they go the truth is like, look, this loss is it.
It hurts. It was not the best displayed by any means.
And I think that this game is forcing this team
to take kind of a hard look in the mirror.
And that was definitely like the refrain that we heard
from guys afterwards. Yeah, but like like, well the Lines
(26:07):
are a really good team.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
I was.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
That's kind of my point is like going into this game,
this is a billing of like, okay, is this a
potential super Bowl preview? Yeah, well it's a wake up call.
And La March Jaxson said they've had three wake up
calls now. They had a wake up call in Buffalo,
wake up call against the Browns because they got off
to a slow start, and a wake up call tonight.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
So hopefully the Ravens are awake. Gotten three calls.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
But like this was a potential Super Bowl preview, and
if it was right now, the Ravens aren't good enough.
That's that's the cold, hard truth right now. Now we're
in week three, there's a lot of times to get
better and to get good enough. Right I'm not going
to sit here and be like, oh my gosh, you
know we're sunk by any not that way, by any
stretches of the imagination. But they got to get better
(26:49):
in multiple fastests. And John Harbal was pretty clear about that. Yeah,
said was not good enough in the runs. Defense, was
not good enough. Running the ball was not good enough
in multiple areas this game. In the pass rush, not
good enough. John Harwell said, he was pretty clear. You know,
he wasn't glossing over this loss. And I don't think
the Ravens will.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
I think it's a.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
It's a big game coming up here in Kansas City.
That's like this big game on Sunday, like you want
to win it.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
It stings, but it's far from far NFC opponent.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yes, and the Ravens are very much in the AFC
North chase that I would still say that the Ravens
are the strongest team in the AFC North. They are
still gonna the favored team to win this division. You
lose to an NFC team in a measuring stick kind
of game, all right, doesn't feel good, feels like a
gut punch. I think the Ravens are still in good position.
(27:40):
But in order to beat a team like the Lions
down the road potentially and reach those goals that you
ultimately have, you're gonna have to get better.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
And I think that that comes back to this game
in Kansas City, which the implications of that game. I
think we're only elevated after this because you have two
teams there who are both one and two yep, and
it's it's been a disciplin winning started the season for
both of those teams, and one of them is leaving
Kansas City next week at one of three and then
hold them and those coming into the season, everyone felt
(28:10):
like these are two of the best teams in the
a f C. And so I think that that only
adds to the importance of this game. And the Ravens
are quickly turning the page and focusing on this one
because they know what's at stake a short week on
a short week, so we'll.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Be talking about that all week. As always, you can.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Email us at the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net.
Thank you so much for listening and we will be
back with you again later this week.
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