November 28, 2025 • 28 mins
Team insiders Ryan Mink and Garrett Downing break down the Ravens' 32-14 loss to the Bengals, including the turnover problems, what's ailing Lamar Jackson, whether the offense will turn things around, and the defense's performance versus Joe Burrow.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink
here at Garrett Downing following the Ravens thirty two to
fourteen loss to the Cincinnati Bengals here on Thanksgiving Night.
Tough game for the Ravens. Five turnovers on offense. That
was the story of the game. This offense continues to
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struggle and today felt like the bottom. Perhaps let's hope
because it was. It was a rough day. It's the
first time the Ravens have committed five turnovers in a
game since twenty thirteen. They hadn't turned the ball over
five times in a home game in eighteen years, since
two thousand and seven. So not the kind of records
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that you want to be sett in here, not at all.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I think that when you come into this game, and
the Ravens were favorites coming into this game, the Bengals
defense had been heavily scrutinized and was finally in most
statistical categories. And so how do you how do you
what's the recipe to losing and not having the kind
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of offensive showing.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
That you expect to.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Well, you turn the ball over, and when you turn
the ball over five times, you're gonna lose. You know,
I don't know what the exact numbers are on that,
but like you're gonna lose the majority of your games, okay,
and that's you're gonna lose nothing.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
You'd be hard pressed to fight a team that won
a game after turn the ball over five times. Five times.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
It's like, that's just not how you're going to win
games when you turn the ball over that much. And
the and the frustrating thing about it really for the
Ravens is like the majority of those turnovers were self
inflicted in the way that it wasn't like, hey, man,
he made a great play on that ball, man, that
was just something that an incredible intercepts. You gotta tip
your cap. It was things that like, I mean one
of them just slipped out of Lamar's hands. Another one
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Isaiah likely is going in for the touchdown and and
reaches out when he doesn't need to and gets the
ball stripped. Like those types of plays are self inflicted
in a way that you say, man that like you
are you're making life really hard on yourself as a
team as in an offense when you do those kinds
of things.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, absolutely, And uh, the first half was really just
a comedy of errors for the Ravens offensively beyond the turnovers,
extended beyond that, I mean Lamar Jackson fumbled while getting sacked,
gave the ball, the Bengals, the ball the two yard line,
Lamar misses a wide open first down throw from his
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own goal line. Isaiah likely fumbled that you just talked about.
Zay Flowers, fat flag for an offensive pass interference that
wapes a touchdown off the board, take an unblocked sack
that drives you out of field goal range. Lamar fumble's
trying to pull the ball down at the end of
the first half. I mean, that was all the first.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Half, and then there's there was there was some misthrows
to to say, and Anderson Hopkins. Yeah, there was a
drop by Isaiah. You know, there was Tess Walker on
a deep shot to him where the defender fell down.
He wasn't able to make the play on that. Like
you just go through the list, and there was plenty
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of blame to go around in terms of what was
going wrong with his offense. And again I come back
to the self inflicted piece here where it felt like
the Ravens just kept shooting themselves in the foot and
it's hard. It's hard to have any kind of success
as a team or as an offense when you're missing
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the opportunities for big plays or when you're fumbling the
way that the Ravens are, like, those are just not
things that you can do and expect to beat anybody.
And that's what happened in this game here tonight.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Considering the opponent, this has not only been the worst
defense this season in the NFL scoring yards, this has
been historically one of the worst defenses in NFL history.
Considering the opponent that the Ravens were going against tonight,
which by the way, they were without their star pass
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rusher Trey Hendrickson. On top of that, this is one
of the Ravens' worst offensive performances. And you know, we
talked about the turnovers. The weird thing is like at
times it looked like, okay, here we go, you know,
like like objectively speaking, five turnovers against that defense, you know,
and you score fourteen points, like bad. One of the
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worst performances in Ravens' offensive history. But it wasn't like
some of the games that I remember watching when I
was a kid were like they never could even move
the ball past midfield right right, different from that kind
of performance, just sloppy, just you just you can't, you
cannot turn the ball over. You talking about you.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Like the Ravens moved the ball like they had three
hundred and forty six net yards. The Bengals have three
hundred and eighty two, Like pretty similar, just from a
yardage standpoint, moving the football so like they And then
you add in like some of those moments where you're like, okay,
here's a deep shot to HEAs walker and the defender
falls down. This is going to be a touchdown and
he's not able to make the play. Again, Isaiah likely
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has a great play for forty yards, rumbling and stumbling
down the field, but then coughs it up at the
goal line. Like you had these plays where it's like, Okay,
this is going to be a big moment, this is
going to be a game changing play. The opportunity is there,
and then the Ravens just couldn't finish the play.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Well. This was one of Lamar Jackson's toughest games, I
think over his career. Lamar did not have a good game.
You know, we can talk about the off We're absolutely right,
But we haven't mentioned Lamar, and Lamar is the driver
of this offense. And Lamar didn't have a good game
playing and simple, you know, I mean, he missed a
number of throwers. He turned the ball over three times.
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One really wasn't his fault, you know, kind of got
bad at at the line and intercepted when pressure just
you know, too much pressure rate in his face. The
two fumbles can't happen. Mhm uh. It was not a
good game for Lamar.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Well, he said his comment after the game. He made
the point that I miss throws that I don't miss,
and I'm making him practice and don't have basically a
reason as to why I didn't. It didn't work out tonight.
Why what was different about tonight's gaming? He said, I
miss throws that I don't miss. I need to be
more consistent, that was his word.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, consistency, And we have to be more consistent. I
have to be more consistent. Yeah, you know, not blaming
the injuries. Feels like he was healthier. He looked healthier
than he has in the past couple of weeks, at
least to the to my naked eye. Yeah, of course
he's running the ball. Yeah, like I've said, you don't
know how much to attribute the struggles of Lamar in
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this offense to his injuries. Lamar is very vague about
the severity of his injuries. John Harball, you know, both
were asked, are the injuries the problem here? Is that
what's going on? John Harball's clearly said he's he's healthy
enough to play. He's he's he's good to play. Lamar said, no,
it's it's not the injuries. That was not the problem.
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Said it's not. It wasn't a mechanics thing for his
miss throws. You know, we're not used to seeing Lamar
Jackson's sailing passes and short hopping passes like we are
where tonight. I don't know what the cause is. Neither
does Lamar. He doesn't have a good answer for it either.
Nobody does, because it's not happening in practice. But I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Lamar finished tonight's game seventeen of thirty two, two one
hundred and forty six passing yards, no touchdowns, one interception,
was sacked three times on the night, and then the
two fumbles.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
As we talked about, it's he's now not throwing a
touchdown in three straight games, but for the first time
in his career.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, like we're just not used to seeing this at all,
Like from Lamar and from the offense. We've just become
so accustomed over the course of his career to this
offense being lights out, one of the best, one of
the most fun efficient, red zone scoring, big play having
offenses like it was all it's been all of those things,
and that hasn't been the case for the last month.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Since he hasn't been the case since like Week three.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
It hasn't well right, and that's when he got hurt.
He got hurt in week he got hurt in week
four in Kansas City, and then and then it has
obviously then he's come back, and since he's come back,
the offense hasn't been playing at the level that we're
used to seeing, and it's it's at a point where
you're just like, you know, John Harbaugh and some of
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the players were asked about basically their confidence and the
ability to turn it around. Ronnie Stanley emphasized, like he
has confidence in that. John Harbaugh said he has confidence
in that. Derek Henry said the same thing. So like
the Ravens still feel like they have they feel like
the offense can get back to playing at a level
that we are all used to.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
The question is how, The question is how? How does it?
You know? Like they they've been saying that for the
past you know, month, and uh, you know today you're
going against this Bengals defense that's been struggling mightily. Tonight
was the hope was that this is gonna be a
get right game for the offense. This is a game
where you can get on track and and then you know,
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finished strong. And it obviously was not in some ways,
like we said, in some ways, you started to feel like,
all right, I'm starting to cook a little bit. And
then you like you step on the rake and it
smacks you in the face, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Like they marched right down the field on their opening
drive and scored a touchdown Derrick Henry you know, plowed
into the end zone and the offense look great on
the opening drive, and then it was off kilter from there.
They got pinned back a little bit. That didn't help,
of course, But like to your question, so what needs
to happen, Well, well, tonight it was the turnovers.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
So tonight it's what it's the turnovers that did them.
That's the easy solution you got, Yeah, And it's not.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Like I feel like turnovers that can often be pointed
to is like, man, if you just don't turn the
ball over, then you're gonna win, You're gonna have success.
But tonight with this team, like you turn the ball
over going into the end zone, and like who knows
what happens in that situation from like if the game
how the game plays out differently, it would be fourteen
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to six at that point, and I felt I would
have felt really good about where things were at that place,
but who knows, Like you never know, the game ends
up being thirty two to fourteen, So like who knows
how the rest of the game plays out at that point.
But like to that question, what do you have to
do differently? You have to finish plays, you have to
not turn the ball over, and I think that the
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Ravens can do that, especially consider like I'm really not
trying to do the spin zone here, but like I
almost feel better looking forward about an offense that can
move the ball but it's turning it over, which is
what the case was tonight that I do about an
offense just can't move the football, Like at least you
see there's glimpses of what this could be and and
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we saw that at times, but you have to finish
the job in the rest of these games, because, as
we've talked about before, the Ravens have a very thin
margin of air at this point.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah. I agree with that. And part of the reason
why the Ravens were riding a five game winning streak
coming into this game was not because they were playing
lights out football. Is were, as we previously discussed, some
ugly wins, but they are at least taking care of
the football. Yeah, and that gives you a chance to win,
and tonight that obviously wasn't the case. You know, we've
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said it like when Lamar Jackson is in air, quotes
to your problem, like you're in a good spot. And
I don't know what needs to change to get Lamar going.
You know, I think the protection, certainly, whether he doesn't
feel protected and back there, I don't know if that's
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a contributing element. Maybe the mini buy, you know, he
can get healthier, you know, the verse that he showed today,
I thought that is one silver lining for this game.
I thought he was running with more conviction and seem
to have a little bit more juice when he is
running than in previous weeks. If the mini buy helps
him get a little bit healthier here down the stretch,
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that could be what turns this offense around. Well.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
He said he was asked a question basically what he
needs to do to play better, and his answer was
just be me, b Lamar. And so you know that's
obviously not anything specific, but that's how he answered the
question of what you need to do to be more
consistent and to play at a higher level. And I
think that I still am reserving, like this level of
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confidence that he is going to play Lamar is going
to play good football down the stretcher.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Like I still have that belief, right when you have
a player that's as good as Lamar Jackson two times
should have been three time MVP, Yeah, you feel like
he's not going to be down that long too long, right,
he's just too.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Good of a I have a seven year body of
evidence that he's going to be great exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
He's just a great player. Yeah, I mean he's probably
gonna end up in he's a great, great player. So like, yeah,
I think you have that faith that, like great players
are gonna be Okay, they're gonna every great player, even
the greatest of players, go through some rough patches. And
that's kind of what Kyle Hamilton said after the game.
Even Lamar, even Lebron James, has a bad day. Yeah,
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this is a bad day for Lamar Jackson. Like I
think that Hill this is the anomaly, right, like turning
the ball over three times for the first time four
years and all the bad stuff like that is definitely
the outlier. But it also needs to be a higher
level than like what we've seen even in the past
several games where I think the Ravens sue. Everybody knows it,
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the offensive players know. Ronnie Stanny Stanley said it last week.
Lamar Jackson concurred this week that this offense has to
play at a much higher level for them to go anywhere. Yeah.
Let me make this point though, too.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
And I think that tonight is one of those nights
where just if it could go wrong, it did go
wrong for the Ravens and absolutely like and so it
just like it's almost just to throw this game out
forget about it. Because you have the five turnovers again,
one of them happens at the goal line. You also
have a touchdown by Zay Flowers that gets taken off
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the board. You end up getting no points on that drive.
It's an offensive pass interference call. Terry McCauley, former NFL
official who's the rules analyst for NBC, said, I didn't
see OPI on that play, So, like it was, it's
a questionable call. It could have gone either way. That's
what Terry mccaully said that he didn't see that. He
didn't see OPI on that play, and it took a
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touchdown off the board. The Ravens end up getting nothing
on that drive, end up having to punt, and so
like those are two those are two touchdowns there that
the Isaiah likely one if he if he just is
able to run into the end zone, and the Zay
Flowers one where he scores and it's taken off the board.
If those players go the other direction, then it's a
different conversation. It's just and I know that's not how
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it works, and you can't do revision's history. And like
they didn't. They didn't play out the way that I'm
saying they could have. But like I just felt like today,
if it could go wrong, it would go wrong for
the Ravens, and that, in some weird way kind of
gives you a little bit of hope moving forward that
that's not gonna be You're not gonna have that bad
luck every game the rest of the way.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah, you feel a little bit better, all right, Lie,
all right, that's good. That's good, and.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
And like and and there there's there's and I'm not
just trying to do the spin zone thing here. I
think that like but like, there's there's that's the thing,
that's what about I need to spin But that's the
thing that's like weird about this game. It's that it
was it was so frustrating when you really like drill
down on what went wrong and what needs to change
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and what you take away from it moving forward. I
think those are all points that I come away with saying, like,
this could have been such a different night.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yes, absolutely. I think one of the talking points coming
out of this game offensively is why didn't the Ravens
run the ball more? With Derrick Henry, he was their
best offensive player on the field ten carries for sixty yards,
had the twenty eight yard touchdown, and also caught one
pass for forty four yards. Derrick Henry had a good night,
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and he did not get a touch in the second
quarter at all. So coming out of it, that was
one question that John Harwell got. That was one question
Derrick Henry got. Derek said, he's never going to be
a guy who pouts in the media about his touches
and all that. Some of it is we saw one
play Lamar, you know, it's a Reid option play, and
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Lamar kept it didn't get any gain and could Derrick
Henry It was in the red zone. Could Derrick Henry
have gotten that ball and gotten some yards? It looked like, yes,
just wasn't the right decision. So it's not all Todd
Munkin And I don't know, I just I kind of
I get just weary of the I didn't so and
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so get more carries. When you really drill down into
all these things, it turns out to be like three
or four coin flips every time that like, Okay, maybe
you could have run it there and you didn't, And
I just don't think three or four coin flips or
what decided. Certainly that's the lack of Derrick Henry running
the ball tonight is not what decided this game. No
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if sands or butts about that. Yeah, yeah, I don't
care how many if you turn over five times, I
don't care how many runs Derrick Henry had.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
All right, I think that everybody would agree that you
want to have more, have him get more than ten carries.
But the question then becomes is, well, where, like how
do you get him those additional carriers on which ones
should have been those carries?
Speaker 1 (17:55):
The passes, you know, like we said isa Likely the
touchdown throw to to Zay Flowers, you know, like attacking
the Bengals through the air wasn't necessarily a bad idea.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Like you mentioned the second quarter, the Ravens had three
drives in the second quarter. The first one was the
Isaiah Likely fumble drive, so like.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
That it would look pretty good, right, other than the fumble, right.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
The next one was the Zay Flowers touchdown drive that
got nullified and again looked pretty good up until that
that Pi touchdown.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Off the board.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
And then and then their third drive in the second
quarter was the one right before half of Lamar fumble
on the first play trying to pull the ball back,
and so like again like yes, you look at the
stat sheet, you say, yeah, Derek should have more than
ten carries. But you go through that second quarter and
it's you can understand.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Why the approach was the number. Yeah, the approach wasn't bad.
It was generally working.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Again, you had basically two touchdowns that were taken off
the board in that second quarter.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Right, Yeah, you can always second guess all of this stuff.
I think that was a pretty minor point, and honestly,
it's a storyline coming out of the game. In my opinion,
I think it's going to probably be an overblown storyline.
All right, So let's take a quick break.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
When we come back, we'll discuss the defense, which had
a really strong night, especially in the first half. We'll
dive into that defensive conversation and also where the Ravens
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The Crown is Yours. So part of the frustrating element
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coming out of this game is that the defense was
so good in the first half. They were put in
some difficult situations, including one time with the two yard line.
They kept the Bengals out of the end zone the
entire first half. Four red zone trips, four field goals
for Cincinnati, so the defense was playing about as well
as they could in that first half. Bengals were able
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to pick up some huge versions and touchdowns in the
second half. It felt to me like that the defense
was on the field a ton in this game, and
in the second half. I don't they seem gas just
looking at them out there. Time of possession was super
tilted in this one as well as well as just
the snap count, and I don't know if that had
anything to do with the success that the Banks were
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having late in this game, but it's just disappointing for
a game where the defense did so many things right.
Then in the second half, the Bengals were able to
hit some key players and ended up getting the end zone.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
To me, that was the difference a. I thought that
Joe Burrow kind of got into a groove as the
game went on. I thought he started a little rusty,
which is understandable considering he had missed nine games with
the tow surgery. I thought he kind of settled in
over the course of the game. He did not to
me at all.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
The entire game looked like a guy who hadn't played
football in two months and was coming off a major
tow injury.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah. I thought he played a good game. I thought
early on, you know, there were some miss throwers and
opportunities for the Bengals.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Maybe, like I mean through the ball forty six times
twenty four for forty six sixty one Yeah, touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Yeah, I'm saying early on, you go look at their
first couple of drives. I thought there were sissed opportunities
for them. But yeah, if the total numbers, I thought
ended up. I thought he warmed up and uh settled in.
I thought played a pretty darn good game, especially in
the second half, especially making plays on third down. I
mean they had nineteen third downs. Yeah, nineteen third downs.
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That's insane. I thought he played a pretty patient game
while also taking some shots down the field, you know.
And I thought it was just a pretty clean game
for Joe Burrow. Didn't turn the ball over, and you
know they he threw for two hundred and sixty one yards.
Not crazy numbers, Jamar Chase seven for one, ten good game,
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fourteen targets. So I mean, if Jamar Chase gets targeted
fourteen times, you give up a buck ten, you're kind
of like I actually thought. I thought the Rays had
a pretty good plan for Jamaal Yeah, I mean he
had including one catch for forty three, like all right,
you know, and the Ravens lost their their top corner
Nate Wiggins at halftime, who was matched up against Mr
Chase a lot of the game at a big stop
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against him in the first half.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
So you'll lose your top corner at halftime, and Jamar
Chase doesn't have like one of his iconic historic knights
against you. I think that's actually a pretty good showing
against what I guess him considering what he can do.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yep uh, I predicted under one hundred yards for Jamark
Chase missed it by ten. You didn't miss on that miss.
That missed on the blow twenty points. The Ravens defense
string of not giving up twenty points. But if I
mean considering the field position the defense was put in,
I feel like I should get half of it.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Your predictions were all of this game, I think honestly,
in the in the second half of the defense, they
it was the third down you mentioned the third downs.
Both of Jamar Chase's touchdowns, both of sorry, Joe Burrow's
touchdown passes came on third and nine situations. Yep, and
they were just I mean, they were good plays like
those are Dson.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
It's like the check the roster Tanner Hudson. How the
heck did Tanner hudd And just make a one handed
catch on Kyle Hamilton a touchdown? Just like, great throw,
even better catch. Yeah, ridiculous. And then Joe Burrow great
touchdown throw beats the Ravens blitz. He beats it touchdown
over the middle. Yeah, just a good play.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah, Like those are ones, those are kind of tip
your cap plays. And again I thought the defense like
it's it's difficult to put put too much on their
shoulders in a day where they were put some really
tough situations in that first half.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Game could have been out of hand before halftime.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
It could have, and and they were able to keep
the Ravens in it. But then the Bengals just had
too much late.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yep. Absolutely, you mentioned it. The one thing they.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Didn't they weren't able to get They weren't able to
get as much pressure on Burrow as I thought they
were going to Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Burrow does a pretty good job of neutralizing that. He's
good at that. Yeah, getting the ball out of his hands.
He's pretty good at taking his three step five step
drop and getting the ball out, you know. I mean
it's a he's a much different quarterback than Lamar Jackson,
who's looking to extend plays and you know in all
that stuff like that's not really Burrow's style.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Yeah, he was. Again, he was more mobile within the
pocket than I expected him to be.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Would you think of the whole like you go to
the bench and take the cleatoff and put the sneaker
on and kind of move.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Well, it worked. It worked for him, So whatever works,
I guess. I mean, I don't like I thought the
Ravens were really going to be able to like just
kind of flush him out and he'd be pretty immobile
back there, and that they were in. The Ravens pass
rush has been really good in recent weeks. They just
weren't able to get his back there as much. He
was getting the ball out quick and he does a
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good job of navigating around the pocket when he needs to.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Yeah, So I don't think a lack of pass rush
was also the issue in today's game.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yeah, I thought again, I thought the defense.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Defense played pretty darmn well. It was a good showing
for the defense.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
I guess a great quarterback who looked like himself out
there today.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yep. I thought the Bengals executed a pretty patient game,
like I said, while still taking some shots. They only
turn the ball over once very late in the game
when it was pretty much decided. Travis Jones got forced
fumble and fumble recovery. So you played clean football like that,
make make some plays. You're gonna give your chance, yourself
a shot to win. This did not look like a
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three and eight Cincinnati Bengals team that came in here
to Mt. Bank Stadium. And of course having Joe Burrow
back under center makes a big difference. Yeah, and uh
so Yeah. I thought though for the Ravens defense, like
this is one that you walk away and you say,
all right, you know this didn't feel like a step
back the Ravens defense, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
The good news on the injury front for the Ravens
Nate Wiggins he left with the foot injury. It's not
major and that when he when he got ruled out
at halftime, you start worrying about how bad is this
going to be?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Especially foot? Yeah now here foot. I'm like, oh man, yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
But John Harball said it's not a major injury. We'll
see if he's able to play against the Steelers. I
think that getting through the weekend and obviously his practice
status next week will determine that. But this is not
a major injury. Chandler Martin, who the Ravens called off
from the practice squad linebacker special team's role, he did
have a serious knee injury in his game, So that's
a downside on that front. And then just for the Ravens,
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next up is the Pittsburgh Steelers right here at MTVA.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
He forgot you forgot some history that was made here tonight.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Mark Andrews is now your Ravens franchise leader in receptions
after past Derek Mason. To the surprise of No. One.
Mark was not, you know, shooting off the party favors
and stuff, you know, the confetti in the locker room afterwards.
Derrick Henry surpassed Jim Brown for eleventh all time in
career rushing yards, and DeAndre Hopkins got his one one
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thousandth catch and more.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, but yeah, that game against the Steelers. This this
is gonna be kind of a make or break game
for the Ravens. We'll see, of course, what happens with
the Steelers this weekend. But this division feels very much
wide open, with the Bengals maybe creeping their way back
back into this thing.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Uh, sitting at four.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
And eight, only you know, a couple of games back here,
and uh they would have to maybe run the table.
But uh, this thing has become even more interesting and
well with Joe Burrow back in the mix.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
I'm not I don't think the Rave the Ravens need
to have their site set on the Pittsburgh Steelers and
beating them. Well, they definitely do, That's what they got
a I'm not I'm not looking in the rear view mirror.
I'm looking ahead of me, at that team that's ahead
of me right now. I don't care about the rear
view mirror. The Ravens gotta the Ravens have to win
the next two games. They have the Pittsburgh Steelers Cincinnati
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Bengals in Cincinnati. You win those two games, I think
you're in a pretty good position. But I ain't gonna
sweat the Bengals in my rearview mire two games back.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah, I just the Ravens have they're the margin for
air is very thin, and they have to they have
to beat the Steelers, uh in this game. And you know,
the Ravens said coming into the three game stretch of Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati,
this is basically going to decide the division, and they're
now in a hole in that in the in that
three game swing, and where they go from here, we'll
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we'll see. So as always, you can email us at
the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net. Thank you
so much for listening, and we will be back with
you again next week
Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink
here at Garrett Downing following the Ravens thirty two to
fourteen loss to the Cincinnati Bengals here on Thanksgiving Night.
Tough game for the Ravens. Five turnovers on offense. That
was the story of the game. This offense continues to
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struggle and today felt like the bottom. Perhaps let's hope
because it was. It was a rough day. It's the
first time the Ravens have committed five turnovers in a
game since twenty thirteen. They hadn't turned the ball over
five times in a home game in eighteen years, since
two thousand and seven. So not the kind of records
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that you want to be sett in here, not at all.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I think that when you come into this game, and
the Ravens were favorites coming into this game, the Bengals
defense had been heavily scrutinized and was finally in most
statistical categories. And so how do you how do you
what's the recipe to losing and not having the kind
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of offensive showing.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
That you expect to.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Well, you turn the ball over, and when you turn
the ball over five times, you're gonna lose. You know,
I don't know what the exact numbers are on that,
but like you're gonna lose the majority of your games, okay,
and that's you're gonna lose nothing.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
You'd be hard pressed to fight a team that won
a game after turn the ball over five times. Five times.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
It's like, that's just not how you're going to win
games when you turn the ball over that much. And
the and the frustrating thing about it really for the
Ravens is like the majority of those turnovers were self
inflicted in the way that it wasn't like, hey, man,
he made a great play on that ball, man, that
was just something that an incredible intercepts. You gotta tip
your cap. It was things that like, I mean one
of them just slipped out of Lamar's hands. Another one
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Isaiah likely is going in for the touchdown and and
reaches out when he doesn't need to and gets the
ball stripped. Like those types of plays are self inflicted
in a way that you say, man that like you
are you're making life really hard on yourself as a
team as in an offense when you do those kinds
of things.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, absolutely, And uh, the first half was really just
a comedy of errors for the Ravens offensively beyond the turnovers,
extended beyond that, I mean Lamar Jackson fumbled while getting sacked,
gave the ball, the Bengals, the ball the two yard line,
Lamar misses a wide open first down throw from his
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own goal line. Isaiah likely fumbled that you just talked about.
Zay Flowers, fat flag for an offensive pass interference that
wapes a touchdown off the board, take an unblocked sack
that drives you out of field goal range. Lamar fumble's
trying to pull the ball down at the end of
the first half. I mean, that was all the first.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Half, and then there's there was there was some misthrows
to to say, and Anderson Hopkins. Yeah, there was a
drop by Isaiah. You know, there was Tess Walker on
a deep shot to him where the defender fell down.
He wasn't able to make the play on that. Like
you just go through the list, and there was plenty
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of blame to go around in terms of what was
going wrong with his offense. And again I come back
to the self inflicted piece here where it felt like
the Ravens just kept shooting themselves in the foot and
it's hard. It's hard to have any kind of success
as a team or as an offense when you're missing
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the opportunities for big plays or when you're fumbling the
way that the Ravens are, like, those are just not
things that you can do and expect to beat anybody.
And that's what happened in this game here tonight.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Considering the opponent, this has not only been the worst
defense this season in the NFL scoring yards, this has
been historically one of the worst defenses in NFL history.
Considering the opponent that the Ravens were going against tonight,
which by the way, they were without their star pass
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rusher Trey Hendrickson. On top of that, this is one
of the Ravens' worst offensive performances. And you know, we
talked about the turnovers. The weird thing is like at
times it looked like, okay, here we go, you know,
like like objectively speaking, five turnovers against that defense, you know,
and you score fourteen points, like bad. One of the
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worst performances in Ravens' offensive history. But it wasn't like
some of the games that I remember watching when I
was a kid were like they never could even move
the ball past midfield right right, different from that kind
of performance, just sloppy, just you just you can't, you
cannot turn the ball over. You talking about you.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Like the Ravens moved the ball like they had three
hundred and forty six net yards. The Bengals have three
hundred and eighty two, Like pretty similar, just from a
yardage standpoint, moving the football so like they And then
you add in like some of those moments where you're like, okay,
here's a deep shot to HEAs walker and the defender
falls down. This is going to be a touchdown and
he's not able to make the play. Again, Isaiah likely
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has a great play for forty yards, rumbling and stumbling
down the field, but then coughs it up at the
goal line. Like you had these plays where it's like, Okay,
this is going to be a big moment, this is
going to be a game changing play. The opportunity is there,
and then the Ravens just couldn't finish the play.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Well. This was one of Lamar Jackson's toughest games, I
think over his career. Lamar did not have a good game.
You know, we can talk about the off We're absolutely right,
But we haven't mentioned Lamar, and Lamar is the driver
of this offense. And Lamar didn't have a good game
playing and simple, you know, I mean, he missed a
number of throwers. He turned the ball over three times.
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One really wasn't his fault, you know, kind of got
bad at at the line and intercepted when pressure just
you know, too much pressure rate in his face. The
two fumbles can't happen. Mhm uh. It was not a
good game for Lamar.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Well, he said his comment after the game. He made
the point that I miss throws that I don't miss,
and I'm making him practice and don't have basically a
reason as to why I didn't. It didn't work out tonight.
Why what was different about tonight's gaming? He said, I
miss throws that I don't miss. I need to be
more consistent, that was his word.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, consistency, And we have to be more consistent. I
have to be more consistent. Yeah, you know, not blaming
the injuries. Feels like he was healthier. He looked healthier
than he has in the past couple of weeks, at
least to the to my naked eye. Yeah, of course
he's running the ball. Yeah, like I've said, you don't
know how much to attribute the struggles of Lamar in
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this offense to his injuries. Lamar is very vague about
the severity of his injuries. John Harball, you know, both
were asked, are the injuries the problem here? Is that
what's going on? John Harball's clearly said he's he's healthy
enough to play. He's he's he's good to play. Lamar said, no,
it's it's not the injuries. That was not the problem.
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Said it's not. It wasn't a mechanics thing for his
miss throws. You know, we're not used to seeing Lamar
Jackson's sailing passes and short hopping passes like we are
where tonight. I don't know what the cause is. Neither
does Lamar. He doesn't have a good answer for it either.
Nobody does, because it's not happening in practice. But I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Lamar finished tonight's game seventeen of thirty two, two one
hundred and forty six passing yards, no touchdowns, one interception,
was sacked three times on the night, and then the
two fumbles.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
As we talked about, it's he's now not throwing a
touchdown in three straight games, but for the first time
in his career.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, like we're just not used to seeing this at all,
Like from Lamar and from the offense. We've just become
so accustomed over the course of his career to this
offense being lights out, one of the best, one of
the most fun efficient, red zone scoring, big play having
offenses like it was all it's been all of those things,
and that hasn't been the case for the last month.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Since he hasn't been the case since like Week three.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
It hasn't well right, and that's when he got hurt.
He got hurt in week he got hurt in week
four in Kansas City, and then and then it has
obviously then he's come back, and since he's come back,
the offense hasn't been playing at the level that we're
used to seeing, and it's it's at a point where
you're just like, you know, John Harbaugh and some of
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the players were asked about basically their confidence and the
ability to turn it around. Ronnie Stanley emphasized, like he
has confidence in that. John Harbaugh said he has confidence
in that. Derek Henry said the same thing. So like
the Ravens still feel like they have they feel like
the offense can get back to playing at a level
that we are all used to.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
The question is how, The question is how? How does it?
You know? Like they they've been saying that for the
past you know, month, and uh, you know today you're
going against this Bengals defense that's been struggling mightily. Tonight
was the hope was that this is gonna be a
get right game for the offense. This is a game
where you can get on track and and then you know,
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finished strong. And it obviously was not in some ways,
like we said, in some ways, you started to feel like,
all right, I'm starting to cook a little bit. And
then you like you step on the rake and it
smacks you in the face, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Like they marched right down the field on their opening
drive and scored a touchdown Derrick Henry you know, plowed
into the end zone and the offense look great on
the opening drive, and then it was off kilter from there.
They got pinned back a little bit. That didn't help,
of course, But like to your question, so what needs
to happen, Well, well, tonight it was the turnovers.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
So tonight it's what it's the turnovers that did them.
That's the easy solution you got, Yeah, And it's not.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Like I feel like turnovers that can often be pointed
to is like, man, if you just don't turn the
ball over, then you're gonna win, You're gonna have success.
But tonight with this team, like you turn the ball
over going into the end zone, and like who knows
what happens in that situation from like if the game
how the game plays out differently, it would be fourteen
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to six at that point, and I felt I would
have felt really good about where things were at that place,
but who knows, Like you never know, the game ends
up being thirty two to fourteen, So like who knows
how the rest of the game plays out at that point.
But like to that question, what do you have to
do differently? You have to finish plays, you have to
not turn the ball over, and I think that the
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Ravens can do that, especially consider like I'm really not
trying to do the spin zone here, but like I
almost feel better looking forward about an offense that can
move the ball but it's turning it over, which is
what the case was tonight that I do about an
offense just can't move the football, Like at least you
see there's glimpses of what this could be and and
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we saw that at times, but you have to finish
the job in the rest of these games, because, as
we've talked about before, the Ravens have a very thin
margin of air at this point.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah. I agree with that. And part of the reason
why the Ravens were riding a five game winning streak
coming into this game was not because they were playing
lights out football. Is were, as we previously discussed, some
ugly wins, but they are at least taking care of
the football. Yeah, and that gives you a chance to win,
and tonight that obviously wasn't the case. You know, we've
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said it like when Lamar Jackson is in air, quotes
to your problem, like you're in a good spot. And
I don't know what needs to change to get Lamar going.
You know, I think the protection, certainly, whether he doesn't
feel protected and back there, I don't know if that's
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a contributing element. Maybe the mini buy, you know, he
can get healthier, you know, the verse that he showed today,
I thought that is one silver lining for this game.
I thought he was running with more conviction and seem
to have a little bit more juice when he is
running than in previous weeks. If the mini buy helps
him get a little bit healthier here down the stretch,
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that could be what turns this offense around. Well.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
He said he was asked a question basically what he
needs to do to play better, and his answer was
just be me, b Lamar. And so you know that's
obviously not anything specific, but that's how he answered the
question of what you need to do to be more
consistent and to play at a higher level. And I
think that I still am reserving, like this level of
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confidence that he is going to play Lamar is going
to play good football down the stretcher.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Like I still have that belief, right when you have
a player that's as good as Lamar Jackson two times
should have been three time MVP, Yeah, you feel like
he's not going to be down that long too long, right,
he's just too.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Good of a I have a seven year body of
evidence that he's going to be great exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
He's just a great player. Yeah, I mean he's probably
gonna end up in he's a great, great player. So like, yeah,
I think you have that faith that, like great players
are gonna be Okay, they're gonna every great player, even
the greatest of players, go through some rough patches. And
that's kind of what Kyle Hamilton said after the game.
Even Lamar, even Lebron James, has a bad day. Yeah,
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this is a bad day for Lamar Jackson. Like I
think that Hill this is the anomaly, right, like turning
the ball over three times for the first time four
years and all the bad stuff like that is definitely
the outlier. But it also needs to be a higher
level than like what we've seen even in the past
several games where I think the Ravens sue. Everybody knows it,
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the offensive players know. Ronnie Stanny Stanley said it last week.
Lamar Jackson concurred this week that this offense has to
play at a much higher level for them to go anywhere. Yeah.
Let me make this point though, too.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
And I think that tonight is one of those nights
where just if it could go wrong, it did go
wrong for the Ravens and absolutely like and so it
just like it's almost just to throw this game out
forget about it. Because you have the five turnovers again,
one of them happens at the goal line. You also
have a touchdown by Zay Flowers that gets taken off
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the board. You end up getting no points on that drive.
It's an offensive pass interference call. Terry McCauley, former NFL
official who's the rules analyst for NBC, said, I didn't
see OPI on that play, So, like it was, it's
a questionable call. It could have gone either way. That's
what Terry mccaully said that he didn't see that. He
didn't see OPI on that play, and it took a
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touchdown off the board. The Ravens end up getting nothing
on that drive, end up having to punt, and so
like those are two those are two touchdowns there that
the Isaiah likely one if he if he just is
able to run into the end zone, and the Zay
Flowers one where he scores and it's taken off the board.
If those players go the other direction, then it's a
different conversation. It's just and I know that's not how
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it works, and you can't do revision's history. And like
they didn't. They didn't play out the way that I'm
saying they could have. But like I just felt like today,
if it could go wrong, it would go wrong for
the Ravens, and that, in some weird way kind of
gives you a little bit of hope moving forward that
that's not gonna be You're not gonna have that bad
luck every game the rest of the way.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah, you feel a little bit better, all right, Lie,
all right, that's good. That's good, and.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
And like and and there there's there's and I'm not
just trying to do the spin zone thing here. I
think that like but like, there's there's that's the thing,
that's what about I need to spin But that's the
thing that's like weird about this game. It's that it
was it was so frustrating when you really like drill
down on what went wrong and what needs to change
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and what you take away from it moving forward. I
think those are all points that I come away with saying, like,
this could have been such a different night.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yes, absolutely. I think one of the talking points coming
out of this game offensively is why didn't the Ravens
run the ball more? With Derrick Henry, he was their
best offensive player on the field ten carries for sixty yards,
had the twenty eight yard touchdown, and also caught one
pass for forty four yards. Derrick Henry had a good night,
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and he did not get a touch in the second
quarter at all. So coming out of it, that was
one question that John Harwell got. That was one question
Derrick Henry got. Derek said, he's never going to be
a guy who pouts in the media about his touches
and all that. Some of it is we saw one
play Lamar, you know, it's a Reid option play, and
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Lamar kept it didn't get any gain and could Derrick
Henry It was in the red zone. Could Derrick Henry
have gotten that ball and gotten some yards? It looked like, yes,
just wasn't the right decision. So it's not all Todd
Munkin And I don't know, I just I kind of
I get just weary of the I didn't so and
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so get more carries. When you really drill down into
all these things, it turns out to be like three
or four coin flips every time that like, Okay, maybe
you could have run it there and you didn't, And
I just don't think three or four coin flips or
what decided. Certainly that's the lack of Derrick Henry running
the ball tonight is not what decided this game. No
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if sands or butts about that. Yeah, yeah, I don't
care how many if you turn over five times, I
don't care how many runs Derrick Henry had.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
All right, I think that everybody would agree that you
want to have more, have him get more than ten carries.
But the question then becomes is, well, where, like how
do you get him those additional carriers on which ones
should have been those carries?
Speaker 1 (17:55):
The passes, you know, like we said isa Likely the
touchdown throw to to Zay Flowers, you know, like attacking
the Bengals through the air wasn't necessarily a bad idea.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Like you mentioned the second quarter, the Ravens had three
drives in the second quarter. The first one was the
Isaiah Likely fumble drive, so like.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
That it would look pretty good, right, other than the fumble, right.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
The next one was the Zay Flowers touchdown drive that
got nullified and again looked pretty good up until that
that Pi touchdown.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Off the board.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
And then and then their third drive in the second
quarter was the one right before half of Lamar fumble
on the first play trying to pull the ball back,
and so like again like yes, you look at the
stat sheet, you say, yeah, Derek should have more than
ten carries. But you go through that second quarter and
it's you can understand.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Why the approach was the number. Yeah, the approach wasn't bad.
It was generally working.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Again, you had basically two touchdowns that were taken off
the board in that second quarter.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Right, Yeah, you can always second guess all of this stuff.
I think that was a pretty minor point, and honestly,
it's a storyline coming out of the game. In my opinion,
I think it's going to probably be an overblown storyline.
All right, So let's take a quick break.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
When we come back, we'll discuss the defense, which had
a really strong night, especially in the first half. We'll
dive into that defensive conversation and also where the Ravens
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The Crown is Yours. So part of the frustrating element
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coming out of this game is that the defense was
so good in the first half. They were put in
some difficult situations, including one time with the two yard line.
They kept the Bengals out of the end zone the
entire first half. Four red zone trips, four field goals
for Cincinnati, so the defense was playing about as well
as they could in that first half. Bengals were able
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to pick up some huge versions and touchdowns in the
second half. It felt to me like that the defense
was on the field a ton in this game, and
in the second half. I don't they seem gas just
looking at them out there. Time of possession was super
tilted in this one as well as well as just
the snap count, and I don't know if that had
anything to do with the success that the Banks were
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having late in this game, but it's just disappointing for
a game where the defense did so many things right.
Then in the second half, the Bengals were able to
hit some key players and ended up getting the end zone.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
To me, that was the difference a. I thought that
Joe Burrow kind of got into a groove as the
game went on. I thought he started a little rusty,
which is understandable considering he had missed nine games with
the tow surgery. I thought he kind of settled in
over the course of the game. He did not to
me at all.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
The entire game looked like a guy who hadn't played
football in two months and was coming off a major
tow injury.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah. I thought he played a good game. I thought
early on, you know, there were some miss throwers and
opportunities for the Bengals.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Maybe, like I mean through the ball forty six times
twenty four for forty six sixty one Yeah, touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Yeah, I'm saying early on, you go look at their
first couple of drives. I thought there were sissed opportunities
for them. But yeah, if the total numbers, I thought
ended up. I thought he warmed up and uh settled in.
I thought played a pretty darn good game, especially in
the second half, especially making plays on third down. I
mean they had nineteen third downs. Yeah, nineteen third downs.
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That's insane. I thought he played a pretty patient game
while also taking some shots down the field, you know.
And I thought it was just a pretty clean game
for Joe Burrow. Didn't turn the ball over, and you
know they he threw for two hundred and sixty one yards.
Not crazy numbers, Jamar Chase seven for one, ten good game,
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fourteen targets. So I mean, if Jamar Chase gets targeted
fourteen times, you give up a buck ten, you're kind
of like I actually thought. I thought the Rays had
a pretty good plan for Jamaal Yeah, I mean he
had including one catch for forty three, like all right,
you know, and the Ravens lost their their top corner
Nate Wiggins at halftime, who was matched up against Mr
Chase a lot of the game at a big stop
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against him in the first half.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
So you'll lose your top corner at halftime, and Jamar
Chase doesn't have like one of his iconic historic knights
against you. I think that's actually a pretty good showing
against what I guess him considering what he can do.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yep uh, I predicted under one hundred yards for Jamark
Chase missed it by ten. You didn't miss on that miss.
That missed on the blow twenty points. The Ravens defense
string of not giving up twenty points. But if I
mean considering the field position the defense was put in,
I feel like I should get half of it.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Your predictions were all of this game, I think honestly,
in the in the second half of the defense, they
it was the third down you mentioned the third downs.
Both of Jamar Chase's touchdowns, both of sorry, Joe Burrow's
touchdown passes came on third and nine situations. Yep, and
they were just I mean, they were good plays like
those are Dson.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
It's like the check the roster Tanner Hudson. How the
heck did Tanner hudd And just make a one handed
catch on Kyle Hamilton a touchdown? Just like, great throw,
even better catch. Yeah, ridiculous. And then Joe Burrow great
touchdown throw beats the Ravens blitz. He beats it touchdown
over the middle. Yeah, just a good play.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah, Like those are ones, those are kind of tip
your cap plays. And again I thought the defense like
it's it's difficult to put put too much on their
shoulders in a day where they were put some really
tough situations in that first half.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Game could have been out of hand before halftime.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
It could have, and and they were able to keep
the Ravens in it. But then the Bengals just had
too much late.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yep. Absolutely, you mentioned it. The one thing they.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Didn't they weren't able to get They weren't able to
get as much pressure on Burrow as I thought they
were going to Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Burrow does a pretty good job of neutralizing that. He's
good at that. Yeah, getting the ball out of his hands.
He's pretty good at taking his three step five step
drop and getting the ball out, you know. I mean
it's a he's a much different quarterback than Lamar Jackson,
who's looking to extend plays and you know in all
that stuff like that's not really Burrow's style.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Yeah, he was. Again, he was more mobile within the
pocket than I expected him to be.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Would you think of the whole like you go to
the bench and take the cleatoff and put the sneaker
on and kind of move.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Well, it worked. It worked for him, So whatever works,
I guess. I mean, I don't like I thought the
Ravens were really going to be able to like just
kind of flush him out and he'd be pretty immobile
back there, and that they were in. The Ravens pass
rush has been really good in recent weeks. They just
weren't able to get his back there as much. He
was getting the ball out quick and he does a
(24:35):
good job of navigating around the pocket when he needs to.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Yeah, So I don't think a lack of pass rush
was also the issue in today's game.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yeah, I thought again, I thought the defense.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Defense played pretty darmn well. It was a good showing
for the defense.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
I guess a great quarterback who looked like himself out
there today.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yep. I thought the Bengals executed a pretty patient game,
like I said, while still taking some shots. They only
turn the ball over once very late in the game
when it was pretty much decided. Travis Jones got forced
fumble and fumble recovery. So you played clean football like that,
make make some plays. You're gonna give your chance, yourself
a shot to win. This did not look like a
(25:14):
three and eight Cincinnati Bengals team that came in here
to Mt. Bank Stadium. And of course having Joe Burrow
back under center makes a big difference. Yeah, and uh
so Yeah. I thought though for the Ravens defense, like
this is one that you walk away and you say,
all right, you know this didn't feel like a step
back the Ravens defense, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
The good news on the injury front for the Ravens
Nate Wiggins he left with the foot injury. It's not
major and that when he when he got ruled out
at halftime, you start worrying about how bad is this
going to be?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Especially foot? Yeah now here foot. I'm like, oh man, yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
But John Harball said it's not a major injury. We'll
see if he's able to play against the Steelers. I
think that getting through the weekend and obviously his practice
status next week will determine that. But this is not
a major injury. Chandler Martin, who the Ravens called off
from the practice squad linebacker special team's role, he did
have a serious knee injury in his game, So that's
a downside on that front. And then just for the Ravens,
(26:12):
next up is the Pittsburgh Steelers right here at MTVA.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
He forgot you forgot some history that was made here tonight.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Mark Andrews is now your Ravens franchise leader in receptions
after past Derek Mason. To the surprise of No. One.
Mark was not, you know, shooting off the party favors
and stuff, you know, the confetti in the locker room afterwards.
Derrick Henry surpassed Jim Brown for eleventh all time in
career rushing yards, and DeAndre Hopkins got his one one
(26:42):
thousandth catch and more.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, but yeah, that game against the Steelers. This this
is gonna be kind of a make or break game
for the Ravens. We'll see, of course, what happens with
the Steelers this weekend. But this division feels very much
wide open, with the Bengals maybe creeping their way back
back into this thing.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Uh, sitting at four.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
And eight, only you know, a couple of games back here,
and uh they would have to maybe run the table.
But uh, this thing has become even more interesting and
well with Joe Burrow back in the mix.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
I'm not I don't think the Rave the Ravens need
to have their site set on the Pittsburgh Steelers and
beating them. Well, they definitely do, That's what they got
a I'm not I'm not looking in the rear view mirror.
I'm looking ahead of me, at that team that's ahead
of me right now. I don't care about the rear
view mirror. The Ravens gotta the Ravens have to win
the next two games. They have the Pittsburgh Steelers Cincinnati
(27:36):
Bengals in Cincinnati. You win those two games, I think
you're in a pretty good position. But I ain't gonna
sweat the Bengals in my rearview mire two games back.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah, I just the Ravens have they're the margin for
air is very thin, and they have to they have
to beat the Steelers, uh in this game. And you know,
the Ravens said coming into the three game stretch of Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati,
this is basically going to decide the division, and they're
now in a hole in that in the in that
three game swing, and where they go from here, we'll
(28:06):
we'll see. So as always, you can email us at
the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net. Thank you
so much for listening, and we will be back with
you again next week
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