April 21, 2025 • 36 mins
Team insiders Ryan Mink and Garrett Downing discuss the vibes as the Ravens turn the page at the start of the offseason program, contract talk from Kyle Hamilton and Tyler Linderbaum, Lamar Jackson's offseason workout plan, and reaction from team leaders on free agency departures.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome into the Lounge presented by Draft Kings. I'm Ryan
mi Ink here with Garrett Downing. And today is one
of the biggest days on the NFL calendar, really, first
day of school.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
One of the biggest.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Yeah, it's exciting, but man, you really sell out it
the biggest day on the NFL.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Counset, said one of I didn't say the biggest.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
One of one of.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
The dozen, the many, the dozens and dozens of das.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yeah, there's lots of big days.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
There's lots of big and this is one of them,
is it not.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
It's exciting, you know, it is exciting. There's there's a
different energy in the building when players are here. Yes,
and uh, today was the first day of voluntary off
season workouts, so players are back in the building. There's energy,
there's excitement. It's just kind of funny like when you
look at it this week, it's like it's the second
most exciting thing of the week because you have the
NFL drafting.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Don't let them draft overshadow our podcast today. Okay, we're
talking about the start of the voluntary off season.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Conditioning per it's the first day of school.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah, No, it's fun, it's fun. It's fun to have
everybody here. And like I always tell people, like you
can just feel a different. It just feels different in
the building when players are here. Yep, And that was
the case today.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Extended lunch hours, more food options.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Even cafeteria feels different.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
The cafeteria feels different.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Yeah, I mean, this is the start of the work
and it's it's voluntary, but the Ravens have a lot
of players that show up for this and you know,
it's kind of you turn the page to a degree,
you know, free agency and all those things. Of course,
you're making preparations for the next season, but once you
get those players returning, it kind of feels like all right,
you know, here we go and it's time to the
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painful memories that thirty one NFL teams have from last
season kind of get washed away and it's a clean
slate and you start building up to what you want
to become and that starts with hard work and the
players are putting in that work starting to die.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Well.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
The thing is like the season whenever season ends for
the most part, especial when your team like the Ravens
that are competing or in the playoffs every year, like
when the season ends, it's very sudden, and so it's
just you're building. You're building your building, and then boom
is over and then everybody's gone, like twenty four hours later.
And so what today is and what these off season
workouts are, it's like the first time that everybody's back
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together again. And like at the end of the season,
I think some of these guys leave talent and don't
even really get a chance to say goodbye to their
teammates because it just happens so quickly. And so now
they're all back together. And when we had a chance
to talk with some of the guys today, you talk
to Rokwan Smith and the conversation of like, what are
you looking to get out of this time, he seemed
to point more towards like chemistry and relationships and like
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those things rather than like get in the weight room
and build, which is important.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Wellquan's later in the later.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
He's in a different phase than you guy.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
He's a season vet, and so like he knows what
he wants to do and needs to do to get
his body in shape and ready. I think it's more
important from the physical standpoint for some of these younger players.
You know, especially year one to year two guys. I mean,
I look at Nate Wiggins, I look at a Disa,
Isaac TJ Tampa, the guys you miss a lot of
time as rookies due to injuries. Roger Rosengarden Andrew Wore,
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he's like young the younger players, especially if they've missed
time or if they have specific benchmarks that they want
to hit from a physical standpoint, like for Nate Wiggins,
you know, he wants to continue to mature and put
on more of that that football mass, you know, and
continue the work that he put in over the course
last season. And so I think it's for those young
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players who have specific more refined goals of like I
have an off season to do list physically, it's more
important from that standpoint. From Roquan, it's like and Marlon Humphrey,
you know, and we see some of these other vet
longtime vets here, it's like, all right, hey, let's let's
start like getting on the same page. And it's just
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all the chemistry, the team chemistry things like that's more
important part for them.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, and and the and that's like that leadership of
the page process and these these workouts are voluntary, and
so I think a lot has always made when you
look around teams of of who's here and who's not
for players at every team across the league. But I
think you have guys like you have guys like Rokwan
Smith and Kyle Hamilton and Tyler Linnibaum who are here
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and and they want to they want to work on
that chemistry, They want to they want to be present here,
and I think that like there's value there, and like
there's plenty of players that choose to work out on
their own too, especially veteran players who know how to
get themselves ready. And I think it depends player to player,
but I do think that that chemistry and that leadership,
that sort of thing is important. When you talk about
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like turning the page from the end of last year
to the upcoming season.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, and we heard some about that feeling of of,
you know, last year's finish and how much that motivates
them going into this year. And Roquan said, you don't
really feel that until you start playing against other players,
and then when you get to unleash, then it's like,
all right, now, it feels like that's behind us and
(05:07):
we're onto a new year. The motivation from the loss
in Buffalo will resonate throughout OTA's training camp and those
dog days when you're pushing through it, like you're kind
of thinking about, like, all right, we want to get
over that hump. Yeah, right, that's going to motivate him.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Then it's going to be a theme. That'll be a theme,
not just in the off season. It'll be a theme
during the season.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
For sure, But once you start playing games, the NFL
is just so fast, it's like you are just locked
in on that next opponent and all that stuff like
the last season kind of goes away. But that that's
going to push him in the weight room and all
this stuff all off season.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
And we heard some of that.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
I mean, Kyle Hamilton said he got back to work
and started lifting weights and training earlier this year than
he ever has. And each year it's gotten a little
bit earlier, just as he's matured as a player in
person and whatnot. But you know, he only took two
to three weeks off, he said, to kind of relax
and just totally unplug. And so you do you do
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get a sense of that burning fire talking to some
of these Ravens leaders.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
I also will say, there's I think that's kind of
common this year and talking to some of these players
that point of like that burning fire that desire. Tyler
linnar Bomb is an example. He chose to just stay
here during the off season, and which is a lot
of guys go back to their hometowns, or they go
to LA or Miami or someone nice weather and and well.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
When you're from Iowa, it's all right, I'll stay there.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
I'm not going I'm not going back to cold.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Love, Iowa. Yeah, beautiful place, heartland.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
But but like he but Tyler Linnerbaum is an example
of a guy that chose to stay here and just
keep working. And he's like, hey, it's nice to have
some other faces around here. Like he's he's been here
with us the last couple of months.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
He's also an offensive lineman, right. I feel like the
offensive lineman pride themselves on being the hardest working group
and all that stuff, and that that's it's almost part
of their DNA, and certainly as part of Tyler's DNA.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Yeah, that's part of who he is. But I think that,
like you have seen hearing that from Kyle and Rokwan
and then seeing Tyler, these are all three leaders of
this team absolutely like hearing that from them and seeing
it from them in action speaks to their desire to
just get back and work and start building for this
upcoming season.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
They also made a statement Tyler and Obauma and Kyle
Hamilton about their devotion to football and getting better and
all that when the topic of their contract extensions was
brought up, and both players are now eligible for the
first time heading into year four for a contract extension.
The Ravens also have until May second to exercise the
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fifth year option on both of those players or one
of them, or whatever they choose to do. And so
there's been a lot of chatter of this offseason about
whether the Ravens would get a long term deal done
with those two guys, and certainly two players you want
to keep around here for a long, long time time.
And both players pretty much echoed each other and saying,
(08:06):
you know, yeah, i want to get a deal done
at some point, but I'm in no rush, and I'm
focused on football and football only all that stuff. My
agent can handle all that stuff, but I'm focused on football.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Neither of them like put any sort of rushed timeline
on it and just I'm in no rush exactly, and
just so fans and listeners have an understanding of it,
this is the first year that they're eligible to go
through the contract negotiation. They could not have gotten one
last year, so this is the first time they're eligible.
But of course they're signed through this season. The team
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has the decision to make on the fifth year option.
They also have the franchise tag after that if you
want to get to that point. So it's not like
time is necessarily of the essence. However, as we've seen,
the longer you wait, the more expensive it gets, and
so there can be a benefit to getting a deal
done early. Getting it done after year three would be
really If you look around the league, that doesn't happen
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very often. Most of the time, teams wait until after
the fourth year. That's generally the way that it's gone,
sometimes even after the fifth year, and so getting it
done after year three would be really early. But it
does happen. And but neither of them said anything close,
so I need to have a deal done before the
upcoming season or anything like that. They are they're letting
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their agent take care of that, and they're seemingly in
no rush to try to push the issue on that.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Well, So the fifth year option for both players, Tyler
Linderbaum his would be twenty three point four million dollars
and then for Kyle Hamilton eighteen point six million dollars.
So you look at that, and both of those are
higher because both players went to two Pro Bowls, so
it makes it more costly. I mean, Lennerbaum's number certainly
(09:51):
jumps out as you was saying, Wow, that's a that's
a big number.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Why is it higher than Hamilton.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
It's just offensive linemens, So like left tackles are included
in the and whatnot, Like left tackles get paid.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
It's all offensive linement. They don't break it up by
center guard. It's all offensive linman exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
And so if one of those two players were to
get I think that there's a higher likelihood that Linerbaum
could get a deal an extension done before Kyle Hamilton
because Kyle Hamilton's and that's not a no by no
means an indication of like the desire to keep one.
The desires fixed very high for both, right, I don't
(10:28):
think that would be. It wouldn't be because of that
because they want Tyler Moore or whatever.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I think that's more important.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
It's because of the economics here, you know, And and
I think it makes a lot of sense to get
a deal done with Tyler more than doing one this
offseason with Kyle Hamilton. And you'd say that it's not
common for players to get extensions after the third year. Well,
Cam Jurgen's the Philadelphia Eagles center, just got one done.
(10:56):
He was in the same draft class as as Tyler Lindenbaum. Yeah,
and Cam Jurgen Whens. Jurgens was a second round pick
and you know, literally just today got this deal done.
It's a four year, sixty four million dollar reported con
or I'm sorry, four year sixty eight million dollar reported contract.
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So you're looking at seventeen million dollars, which makes him
the high second highest paid center in terms of yearly
average behind the Chiefs Creed Humphrey. So when you're looking
at seventeen million dollars on average a year, and then
you're looking at this number for three at twenty.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Three right for the fifth year option exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
So, tyleran Baum said today that he was made aware
of the Cam Jurgens contract. You know, he knows about it,
knows it happened and sometimes you know, even like we
saw with when Lamar got his contract extension, right, Jalen
Hurts got his right before, and that helped kind of
set the framework for Lamars, which he then he ended
(11:54):
up upping Jalen Hurts's number, you know, topping that number
just afterwards. So it's like, some times these things can
be really very helpful. I expect that eventually Tyler Linderblom's
gonna probably land right in that range as one of
the top centers in the league. And hey, Eric Decast
has had draft surprises for us before. Could this be
another one? It wouldn't shock me now. Tyler Linbaum said, no,
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real conversation.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Yeah, that's the thing. Neither of them, unless they were
playing coy, neither both of them said like, yeah, those
conversations haven't really started yet. Those guys are busy upstairs.
They got the draft this week. We know that's what
they're working on. But you know, as maybe Tyler walked
upstairs right for that press conference.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Well, and also, just because you declare that you are
gonna you've exercised the fifth year option, you don't pay
that immediately, right, You can get an extension done before
you actually start on that fifth year option, right, so
there's time, there's plenty of time.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
We're probably not gonna get any announcement on the fifth
year option. Eric basically said that as much last week
during his press conference. He'll he'll make that announcement what
ten minutes before he's required to is what it sounded like,
and that that makes sense. There's no real rush to
make any sort of announcement. We're talking about the twenty
twenty seven season before that's where that contract would be,
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so there's not like they have to make any sort
of rushed announcement on that. And even if the Ravens, like.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Even if there's a deadline to exercise, there's.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
A deadline to exercise it, and you have to make
that decision that soon, but you don't have to make
any announcement prior to right when you make that decision
to exercise it. And even if the Ravens, like, even
if they said, you know what, let's not pick up
the fifth year option for Linderbaumb they could still work
towards that deal or absolutely or or they could pick
up that option and also work towards that deal. Like
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it's the exercising the fifth year option just guarantees that
he's in place for another year, that both those guys
would be in place for another year. But the more
likely scenario is probably that they work towards an extension
rather than ever playing on whatever the number is for
both of those guys.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, I guess I would. I would agree, I would.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
I would anticipate that probably an extension is going to
get them for both those guys.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
When it happens that, you don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
That remains to be and it wouldn't shock me if
it takes until after the season. But also I think
there's a lot of there's a lot of merit to
what you just laid out with the Jurgen's deal getting
done and the linderbomb figures. So maybe it happens prior
to the season or even in the middle of the season.
That possibility exists.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
When Kyle Hamilton said, you know, he'd like to get
a deal done. Ideally, he doesn't like that stuff kind
of hanging over him during a season. He wants it
just kind of taken care of and focus on football.
I think he'd be focused on football either way, but
that would be his preference. But like I liked what
I heard from both guys on this subject. You know, hey,
(14:37):
I'm not gonna worry about it. It reminded me of
Nom Dee matabk That was the same sentiment he had
throughout his contract year and everybody was talking about it
and all this stuff, and he was like, I'm just
gonna let that take care of itself. That's what I
have an agent for, and I'm going to focus on football.
And then he got paid, and I expect these two
guys are both gonna get paid.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, I think that's They're definitely gonna get paid. It's
just a matter of time and a matter of what
that deal looks like. The other interesting thing on Kyle
before we talk kind of broadly about some of the
things happening during these workouts, he was asked about the
position that he You know, of course he's a safety,
but what does he want to play like? Is it deep? Safety?
Is at the Swiss rby knife where he's at the
line of scrimmage. Of course, the draft is this week.
(15:16):
There's been plenty of talk about the Ravens adding a
safety in the draft.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
And more on that later when we reveal our seven, yes.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Seven round mock Draft is coming. So stay tuned on
that front. But that's going to drop Wednesday morning, which
we were very excited about. And and he said what
he's often said, like, I just I want to be
an asset. I'm not I'm comfortable in either role. He
just kind of played it down in the middle, and
so like, I could go either way on that, and
(15:44):
I think that, honestly, how the Ravens use him. And
he alluded to this, he said this much it could
change series to series, Like, I don't think that he's
ever going to be a player that's exclusively I'm going
to be a deep safety or even exclusively I'm going
to be a guy that plays up the line of
scrimmage and in the Swiss armon Neff role. It could
change game to games, series to series. And that's one
of the things that makes him so versatile.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
I think Kyle Hamilton will always be used in that,
in that Swiss army knife kind of role. That's part
of what makes him so special, right, is that he
can do at all. And and you know, even even
if you were to say like and and Kyle played
back more often this past season and played more deep.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Safe, especially in the second half of the year.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
In the second half of the year exactly, and he
said he felt like he proved something in that regard
to the doubters who didn't then really think that he
could do that. And he liked the leadership role in
the communication and all that stuff, and he did a
great job with that, and so he proved himself in
that regard. But I think, you know, part of me
thinks that if Kyle Hamilton, if they just left him
as center fielder and hey man, you're just there to
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to prevent the deep shots and all that stuff, the
part of me feels like Kyle Hounds would be like, hey,
I kind of missed the action.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
I kind of missed.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I kind of missed being in the center of it.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
I'm bored back here, Yeah, a little bit, like he
wants me, he wants to be part of it.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I like even of course, there's the part that is like, hey, yeah,
I want to be the centerfielder and getting interceptions and
I want to you know, you also want to take
care of your body to a degree. Right, it's physical
down closer to the trenches and you get more bumps
and bruises. Part of me thinks that Kyle Hansen, he
likes playing football. It was bumps and Bruises' alright.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
With that too, because who gives you some RUMs and
bruises too.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Yeah, he's always on the receiving end. Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
I think it's that. How the Ravens used him is
going to be one of the interesting things I think
of this year, and especially depending on what they do
in the draft.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
But he I do think that it could be a
little bit less than in previous years because I think
and the Ravens have made pretty clear this offseason. John
Harball's talked about it at the owner's meetings. They like
Marlon Humphrey in the slot, and so Marlin proved that
once again last year. Of course he can play outside,
but I think he's at his best when he's playing
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in the slot and can do both.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yeah, I think it's like, if I'm guessing, my guess
is that it will be very similar to what we
saw in the second half of last year, where he's
primarily deep, but he's still, of course in certain situations
can come downhill. And that's what I'm my guess is
what it will look like for him.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I think it's probably between that and what it was.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Take a little bit more. Yeah, that'll be again, it
depends on the personnel, yep. And who the Ravens end
up with in the draft is a big piece of
that equation. Yep.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Totally agree. All right, we're going to take a break.
Can we come back.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
We're gonna break down some other points from today the
first day of voluntary off season workouts.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
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The crown is yours. So as always, when you get
to the off season workouts and you're having these conversations,
you're talking about guys who are getting bigger, add and
weight losing weight.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
That's part of the conversation, right exactly.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
And one of the guys, of course that Scott Elliott,
the Ravens strength and conditioning coordinators, asked about is Lamar Jackson.
And last year Lamar lost a bunch of weight coming
into the season, So that was a big talking point
in conversation going into last year. Basically, what Scott said
is look that worked out pretty well last year, played
it at MVP caliber level, and then over the course
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of the year he made the I thought this was
kind of an interesting point, like he came in really
lean and then over the course of the year actually
added a few pounds, added some muscle to his frame,
just kind of with stand things over the course of
the year and basically indicated it's going to be a
similar plan this year.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah, which is no surprise.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I thought, for all the handwringing that happened last year
with Lamar's lower weight, it worked out just fine.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Well, he looked he was super fast.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Opponents said he was faster, his teammates thought he was faster,
He looked faster.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
He probably measured faster.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
When the Ravens doo all the analytics, they know, they
know the answers to these questions, and so I don't
see any reason why it would change.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Yeah, I think honestly, what I think it comes down
to is what Lamar wants and how he feels. If
he feels like he wants to be leaner, to be faster, great,
If he feels like he wants to add some weight
over the course of the years to with stand the
physical nature of the season great, Like, whatever he feels
like has worked pretty well, and so it sounds like
that's going to be the same approach again.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Yep, definitely agree. A player where weight is certainly a
talking point is also Nate Wiggins, And when the Ravens
drafted him a year ago, that was the biggest topic
of conversation was, man, this sky is pretty thin. He's
very lean, and the Ravens were clear about that that, Hey,
as Nate matures as an athlete and as a person,
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he's just going to put on more weight and more
muscle and have more of an NFL cornerback body. Now
again another.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Case of it worked out pretty darn well, right.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Nate Wiggins had an excellent rookie season, especially down the stretch.
I thought he played a really high level and he
worked hard in the weight room during the course.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Of the season.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
You could see him gradually transforming. But it's it's a
challenge for a rookie when you come in And I
thought Scott Elliott made a great point when these guys
are in pre draft mode, they're training for the combine
and for their pro days, and that they're training for
the forty the vertical and you're not necessarily training for football.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah, you're training to get drafted higher.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
And now then you go from that and you're you're
drafted and literally a week two weeks later you're starting practice, right,
So it is a quick turnaround, and you often see
and then it's straight in the season and it is
a grind and it's a long season for those rookies
who aren't used to playing football for that long in college.
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And so now when you have that breath after your
your this frantic kind of rookie year to first step back,
get your feedback under you, and now go into a
full robust NFL offseason conditioning program. That's often see where
you see players make the biggest adjustment physically, it's from
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year one of the year two. And Nate Wiggins, I
think is as a great example of that for the
Ravens and Scott Elliott talked about how, you know, the
advancements that Nate made over the course of last season
and how he wants to see him just kind of
continue that momentum.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yeah. Clifton Brown and I on the podcast we ran
this morning talking to me, yes exactly. We talked about
the players that have the most to gain, and Nate
was at the top of our list for both of
us and outlining these offseason workouts and a couple of
things with Nate that I think are worth mentioning. He's
a leaner guy, so just frame wise, like he's that's
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just how he's built. But the other part is like
he's young. Nate's twenty one years old right now, Like
he's still one of the youngest players in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
He's going to be younger.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
There's a pretty good chance that he's younger than whoever
the Ravens drafts in the first round. He might be
the youngest player in the Ravens draft class again this year.
Like that possibility exists. So he's like a young player
and that physically maturing just comes with age, and so
I think that like it's part of how he's built,
it's part of his age. I think that it will
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be really beneficial to him. He looked. I mean, we're
both really high on him. He was awesome I think
as a rookie and was playing his best football at
the end of the season, and I think he has
like Pro Bowl corner potential. Would not shock me if
he if he vaults himself into that status this year.
He really would not shock me.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
I look at other players from last year's draft class too,
Roger Rosengarten in a somewhat similar vein with similar conversation.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
With a leaner leaner player.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Hey, if once he bulks up like he's got the frame,
he adds more strength than all that. How with his mobility,
how good can he become? So I'm excited about him. Yeah,
I will get a desa Isaac third round pick. I
mean we're sitting here talking all about.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
The third round.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
What third round pass rusher could the Ravens draft this year,
right on Day two whatever? Like they took one last year,
and a desa Isaac, the guy who was very athletic
and unfortunately missed a fair amount of time due to
injury last year. But what can he do this offseason
to really take that next step?
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I look at TJ.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Tampa, a player that we came out of last year's
draft class, and he was considered one of the biggest
steals of the entire draft that the Ravens somehow got
him in the fourth round. Mel Kiper was projecting him
as an early second round pick. Yeah, and so what
can he do, he again missed time with injuries. So like,
there's a lot of players in that year, one year,
two cluster of players that I think could really make
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some big strides.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Yeah, for Isaac and Tampa, it's basically like the health
piece of it, get your body physically ready. And then
for Nate and Roger, who both played a lot and
played at a high level, it's like packing on the
muscle and building a building out of your frame. And
but I'm with you. I think that like the jump
for all those guys could be pretty significant this year,
and that that work starts right now. The injury thing
(24:58):
is interesting too, like because the Ravens have been, especially
the last few years, a really healthy team. And yep,
that's all. You always throw that in throw that in there.
But Scott Elliott was asked about like how essentially how
big is the work that you do now in terms
of building the foundation for the team and injury prevention,
(25:18):
Like is this injury prevention work? How important is that?
And I thought he gave a pretty good answer on it.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Basically Scott said it comes down to preparation plus luck,
and I think he's absolutely right with that.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Look you put in a lot of work.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
And the Ravens have dive very deep into the analytics
and the studies and all those things about how to
prevent injuries, how to come back from injuries quickly, recovery,
all those things. They spend a lot of time, resources, money,
all those things in that and all those people involved
deserve a lot of credit with And it begins now.
(25:51):
This is what we're talking about, Scott Elliott, and the
work that they're putting in right now is to prevent
injuries and get their body in peak performance. And so
the people that are helping the players and the players
themselves to deserve credit.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Also.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
It's luck and sometimes that nobody wants to hear it.
And certainly when the Ravens were going through the tough
period they went through several years ago where they had
some seasons with very high injury rates that really held
them back from their potential as a team, nobody wanted
to hear it. Hey, it's just bad luck. Some of it, Yeah,
(26:24):
you know, certainly is bad luck. You can't Football is
a physical game. You can't help if somebody rolls up
on you, Yeah, and or whatever like that's just going
to happen. What you try to eliminate is a lot
of those soft tissue hamstrings, those kind of things. And
that's not to say you can eliminate them one hundred percent,
but you work to do that the freakish stuff that's
(26:44):
just gonna happen because it's football. And so I think
that everybody involved deserves a lot of credit. And Scott
Elliott has come in here and done a great job,
and the Ravens have given the resources, and John Harball
certainly leads the charge in terms of turning over every
stone when it comes to you know, how to what
processes you're going to have and how to do things better,
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it kind of comes from the top. And then also
spending the money and having the resources on these new
toys that Scott Elliott talked about that hey, they're tracking
how fast they're putting the bar up and down. Right
when they're doing bench presses, I'll tell you how fast
it is for you next to not fly they put it.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
On hur speed for you.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
It's not even.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Measurable that bar ain't getting off, so they don't need
to measure it for us. But like you know, and
the catapult vests and all those different metrics that they
have like they it's advanced.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Well, it's it's interesting. I asked scotch about the evolution
of it and and like when I when I started
here in twenty eleven, like the weight room looked different
than it does today. Like it was it looked a
little bit more like an old school weight room in
terms of how it was it was built. There was
more machines in there, and it was like it was
a different looking weight room to the one today, which
is much more like technologically advanced. And Scott could provide
(28:04):
a much more detailed explanation of all the different ways
that the program has evolved. There's technology, there's the type
of training, there's band training, there's leaning more like the
conditioning aspect of things. There's all sorts of there's nutrition,
which is a whole element of its own. There's a
lot that goes into it. And so it's been Scott
talked about that evolution and it is interesting to see.
(28:24):
And another point that he made that I thought was
a good one is when free agents come in here,
like they want to have I look at DeAndre Hopkins
as an example, Like, when free agents come in here,
they want to have an understanding what the program as
a whole looks like, and that involves what that weight
room program looks like. And like DeAndre Hopkins signed his
contract here and immediately went to work in the weight
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room and started getting to know the guys in there
and was putting in work and that's part of it.
And similarly, Scott actually talked. He told a fun story
about Dereck Henry. And of course we all know Derek
Henry stories or workouts or legendary. I mean, this guy,
guy's probably the like the biggest workout worrier in the
NFL in terms of what he can do in the
(29:06):
weight room. And so Scott told a story about after
the season, they had an opportunity to kind of just
continue talking and he gave Eric a workout back at
like a year ago this time around May this time.
So then Derek took that back home to his trainer
and his family even in Dallas. And then during the
(29:28):
off season leading into training camp, everybody was doing the workout.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
So Scott gave Derek a workout like everybody back at
his Jim in Dallas, like his family, Derek Henry's family
was doing it.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Everybody's doing the workout everybody else.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
He works out of that gym was doing the Scott
Elliott Ravens workout.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Yeah, yeah, and so, but Scott didn't even know that
until the season was over and he was talking with Derek,
and Derek was here for a couple of weeks continuing
to to I guess, do his maintenance routine to close
out a season, I guess, And he shared that story
with him, and so it was the point being that,
like there's this connection between to what a veteran player
who's great at working out on their own does and
(30:03):
building that and bridging that with what the team can
provide as well.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
I think that's a testament to Scott Elliott and his
staff around him and the relationships that they've built in
that right room, Like that that goes a long way.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
I think Derek Manners had no shortage of coming up
with workouts right like.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
He yeah, and it's and it's trust and it's you know,
the weightlifting portion of NFL operation is kind of like
the homework, right. It's like the everybody likes to do
the glitzeeing, everybody likes to play the games, right, how
much do you like doing the nitty gritty stuff that
isn't as fun, right the weightlifting portion, like it's in
(30:41):
your better analogy, it's in your vegetables, right, and so like,
the better you can make those vegetables taste, the happier
the verse is gonna be. And and I think that
Scott Elliott and his team have really developed those relationships
where there's trust, as this Derrick Henry story is speaks too. Right.
When you have somebody that knows what works best for
(31:03):
them and it has a very regimented routine, is a
pro and has been doing it for a long time,
and then they're taking what you recommend and working that
into what they do, that speaks to trust. Yeah, And
just that's part of why the Ravens I think the
past couple of years have also had fewer injuries. There's
been buy in from the players. That's what you need
as a coach of any position, really and including in
(31:26):
the weight room, is that buy in, and the Ravens
have it. And I think they're in a really good
place for that.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Yeah, So it's good. I mean, it's exciting.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah. A couple other quick notes for me.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
You know, you have players talking for the first time
since free agency, and there's free agency losses and additions
and whatnot, And a couple of the more notable Ravens
losses were at inside linebacker, where Malie Harrison went to
the Steelers and Chris Board to the Giants. And then
you also had Pat McCarey who left for the Jaguars,
and so that opens up a couple of starting positions.
(31:57):
Malie Harrison was starting down the hat second half of
last season. Roquan Smith said that he has gotten in
some workout sessions already this offseason with Trent and Simpson,
and so I like hearing that, and that's really kind
of developing that bond and getting those two on the
same page as they're projected to work together a lot
this upcoming season. Trenton is certainly, as a stands now
(32:20):
the leader in the clubhouse for that starting spot next
to to Roquan that he began last year with. So
that's a good, I think, a good sign for those
two as they continue to work on that chemistry.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
There's no there's no secret this is a big year
for Trent and Simpson and he's going into a role
where he again he earned that spot coming out of
camp last year, and then the has went a different
direction down the stretch. But really talented player, really hard worker.
He's another guy that just diligent in what he does
and he's not gonna get out worked, I don't think.
And so he's been in.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
That one another guy. This isn't the first time we've
seen him this offseason.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Yeah, he's been he's been here before and a smart guy,
worked hard. So I think that the Ravens know that
there's gonna be a lot on his plate this year
and last year, Like we were all talking a year
ago about how we felt like he could step into
that role and initially he did, and so it's a
similar story. It's a similar conversation. But I just think
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that the experience of last year is really beneficial to him.
And sure, and John Harwall even made the point like,
go back and look at Patrick Queen and his career
here in Baltimore, and he really took off in year three.
And certainly hope it's the same story with Trent Simpson,
and it would not surprise me if that's the case.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
And then another player, Andrew Voorhee's is probably the leader
in the clubhouse to start at left guard with Pat
McCarey's departure for Jacksonville and another player that we've seen
around the building. You know, players can they can come
and work out here whenever they want. It's not no
coaches are involved, but they can. It's open gym. And
so like those offensive linemen have been around a lot,
(33:57):
including Andrew Voorhees, and so Tyler Linbaum talked about how
much faith in confidence he has and Andrew to step
in even though you know, Tyler's hurting his buddy. Yeah,
his buddy Pat McCarey left. He's happy for him that,
you know, he got that nice contract down in Jacksonville.
But it's a little bit, it'll be a bit of
a change in the locker room.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Well, Rocks mckerry and Linderbaum's lockers were right next to
each other.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
They were clowning all the time.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Yes, they were buds. But I'm gonna guess that for He's,
he might step into that role both locker room wise
and on the field. He might just step in. Amma
and Linderbaum are buddies also, so I think that they're
they're pretty good friends both on and off the field.
So I think that for He's totally could step into
that role again. I mean it's kind of a similar
conversation with Trenton Simpson and both these guys going into
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their third years. For He's won that job out of
camp last year, then he got hurt. That was the difference.
He got hurt, and then once he got hurt, they
shoveled things around. Rose Garden came into the starting line.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Up well, and the difference is before He's missed his
entire rookie season as he was reh having a knee,
So he's really kind of a year behind Trenton to
a degree.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Developmental lies, yes, but just in terms of both those
guys had starting experience last year and they're going to
get a chance to win that starting job again this year,
and I think that there's real optimism and a reason
for belief that both those guys could do it really adequately.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Well, like I said at the top, Garrett, the most
exciting day of the year. Nobody could argue otherwise. Very exciting.
Ravens fans. Make sure you email us at the lounge
at ravenst NFL dot net. And as we teased, we're
gonna have our full seven round mock drafts.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Yeah, that's the second most exciting day of the year.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah, that is a really exciting day. You're gonna blow
it again this year?
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Yeah, well, I can't wait. You see how bad decisions
you make this year? You I mean, you said would
stand in the pod, you said and cut it right.
We're not going to get into failures.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
But I don't think that you have ever beaten me
in a mock track.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
That's not true.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
I don't think you've ever beaten me.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
All right, well, well you know what, we got a
couple of days to go to the film. All right,
we're gonna go. We're gonna get I don't wanna doun't
that too deep?
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Please please do, because not gonna be a story that
you want to tell.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
I'm gonna go find the one time that I had
more correct guesses than you. You'll be looking for a
long time, but we are.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
That episode is gonna drop on Wednesday morning, all eleven
picks from each of us, uh in terms of what
the Ravens could do in this draft, and again draft
is Thursday night. We're really excited about it. That truly
is one of the best days of the year, one
of our favorite weekends. So we can't wait. Let us
know who you think the Ravens are gonna pick. You
can email us your mock draft. Some of you already have.
(36:36):
I always look forward to reading those. You can email
us at the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net.
Thank you so much for listening, and we will be
back with you again on Wednesday when we dropped those
seven round marks
Welcome into the Lounge presented by Draft Kings. I'm Ryan
mi Ink here with Garrett Downing. And today is one
of the biggest days on the NFL calendar, really, first
day of school.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
One of the biggest.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Yeah, it's exciting, but man, you really sell out it
the biggest day on the NFL.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Counset, said one of I didn't say the biggest.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
One of one of.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
The dozen, the many, the dozens and dozens of das.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yeah, there's lots of big days.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
There's lots of big and this is one of them,
is it not.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
It's exciting, you know, it is exciting. There's there's a
different energy in the building when players are here. Yes,
and uh, today was the first day of voluntary off
season workouts, so players are back in the building. There's energy,
there's excitement. It's just kind of funny like when you
look at it this week, it's like it's the second
most exciting thing of the week because you have the
NFL drafting.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Don't let them draft overshadow our podcast today. Okay, we're
talking about the start of the voluntary off season.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Conditioning per it's the first day of school.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah, No, it's fun, it's fun. It's fun to have
everybody here. And like I always tell people, like you
can just feel a different. It just feels different in
the building when players are here. Yep, And that was
the case today.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Extended lunch hours, more food options.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Even cafeteria feels different.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
The cafeteria feels different.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Yeah, I mean, this is the start of the work
and it's it's voluntary, but the Ravens have a lot
of players that show up for this and you know,
it's kind of you turn the page to a degree,
you know, free agency and all those things. Of course,
you're making preparations for the next season, but once you
get those players returning, it kind of feels like all right,
you know, here we go and it's time to the
(01:40):
painful memories that thirty one NFL teams have from last
season kind of get washed away and it's a clean
slate and you start building up to what you want
to become and that starts with hard work and the
players are putting in that work starting to die.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Well.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
The thing is like the season whenever season ends for
the most part, especial when your team like the Ravens
that are competing or in the playoffs every year, like
when the season ends, it's very sudden, and so it's
just you're building. You're building your building, and then boom
is over and then everybody's gone, like twenty four hours later.
And so what today is and what these off season
workouts are, it's like the first time that everybody's back
(02:18):
together again. And like at the end of the season,
I think some of these guys leave talent and don't
even really get a chance to say goodbye to their
teammates because it just happens so quickly. And so now
they're all back together. And when we had a chance
to talk with some of the guys today, you talk
to Rokwan Smith and the conversation of like, what are
you looking to get out of this time, he seemed
to point more towards like chemistry and relationships and like
(02:40):
those things rather than like get in the weight room
and build, which is important.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Wellquan's later in the later.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
He's in a different phase than you guy.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
He's a season vet, and so like he knows what
he wants to do and needs to do to get
his body in shape and ready. I think it's more
important from the physical standpoint for some of these younger players.
You know, especially year one to year two guys. I mean,
I look at Nate Wiggins, I look at a Disa,
Isaac TJ Tampa, the guys you miss a lot of
time as rookies due to injuries. Roger Rosengarden Andrew Wore,
(03:10):
he's like young the younger players, especially if they've missed
time or if they have specific benchmarks that they want
to hit from a physical standpoint, like for Nate Wiggins,
you know, he wants to continue to mature and put
on more of that that football mass, you know, and
continue the work that he put in over the course
last season. And so I think it's for those young
(03:32):
players who have specific more refined goals of like I
have an off season to do list physically, it's more
important from that standpoint. From Roquan, it's like and Marlon Humphrey,
you know, and we see some of these other vet
longtime vets here, it's like, all right, hey, let's let's
start like getting on the same page. And it's just
(03:54):
all the chemistry, the team chemistry things like that's more
important part for them.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, and and the and that's like that leadership of
the page process and these these workouts are voluntary, and
so I think a lot has always made when you
look around teams of of who's here and who's not
for players at every team across the league. But I
think you have guys like you have guys like Rokwan
Smith and Kyle Hamilton and Tyler Linnibaum who are here
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and and they want to they want to work on
that chemistry, They want to they want to be present here,
and I think that like there's value there, and like
there's plenty of players that choose to work out on
their own too, especially veteran players who know how to
get themselves ready. And I think it depends player to player,
but I do think that that chemistry and that leadership,
that sort of thing is important. When you talk about
(04:42):
like turning the page from the end of last year
to the upcoming season.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, and we heard some about that feeling of of,
you know, last year's finish and how much that motivates
them going into this year. And Roquan said, you don't
really feel that until you start playing against other players,
and then when you get to unleash, then it's like,
all right, now, it feels like that's behind us and
(05:07):
we're onto a new year. The motivation from the loss
in Buffalo will resonate throughout OTA's training camp and those
dog days when you're pushing through it, like you're kind
of thinking about, like, all right, we want to get
over that hump. Yeah, right, that's going to motivate him.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Then it's going to be a theme. That'll be a theme,
not just in the off season. It'll be a theme
during the season.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
For sure, But once you start playing games, the NFL
is just so fast, it's like you are just locked
in on that next opponent and all that stuff like
the last season kind of goes away. But that that's
going to push him in the weight room and all
this stuff all off season.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
And we heard some of that.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
I mean, Kyle Hamilton said he got back to work
and started lifting weights and training earlier this year than
he ever has. And each year it's gotten a little
bit earlier, just as he's matured as a player in
person and whatnot. But you know, he only took two
to three weeks off, he said, to kind of relax
and just totally unplug. And so you do you do
(06:07):
get a sense of that burning fire talking to some
of these Ravens leaders.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
I also will say, there's I think that's kind of
common this year and talking to some of these players
that point of like that burning fire that desire. Tyler
linnar Bomb is an example. He chose to just stay
here during the off season, and which is a lot
of guys go back to their hometowns, or they go
to LA or Miami or someone nice weather and and well.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
When you're from Iowa, it's all right, I'll stay there.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
I'm not going I'm not going back to cold.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Love, Iowa. Yeah, beautiful place, heartland.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
But but like he but Tyler Linnerbaum is an example
of a guy that chose to stay here and just
keep working. And he's like, hey, it's nice to have
some other faces around here. Like he's he's been here
with us the last couple of months.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
He's also an offensive lineman, right. I feel like the
offensive lineman pride themselves on being the hardest working group
and all that stuff, and that that's it's almost part
of their DNA, and certainly as part of Tyler's DNA.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Yeah, that's part of who he is. But I think that,
like you have seen hearing that from Kyle and Rokwan
and then seeing Tyler, these are all three leaders of
this team absolutely like hearing that from them and seeing
it from them in action speaks to their desire to
just get back and work and start building for this
upcoming season.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
They also made a statement Tyler and Obauma and Kyle
Hamilton about their devotion to football and getting better and
all that when the topic of their contract extensions was
brought up, and both players are now eligible for the
first time heading into year four for a contract extension.
The Ravens also have until May second to exercise the
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fifth year option on both of those players or one
of them, or whatever they choose to do. And so
there's been a lot of chatter of this offseason about
whether the Ravens would get a long term deal done
with those two guys, and certainly two players you want
to keep around here for a long, long time time.
And both players pretty much echoed each other and saying,
(08:06):
you know, yeah, i want to get a deal done
at some point, but I'm in no rush, and I'm
focused on football and football only all that stuff. My
agent can handle all that stuff, but I'm focused on football.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Neither of them like put any sort of rushed timeline
on it and just I'm in no rush exactly, and
just so fans and listeners have an understanding of it,
this is the first year that they're eligible to go
through the contract negotiation. They could not have gotten one
last year, so this is the first time they're eligible.
But of course they're signed through this season. The team
(08:40):
has the decision to make on the fifth year option.
They also have the franchise tag after that if you
want to get to that point. So it's not like
time is necessarily of the essence. However, as we've seen,
the longer you wait, the more expensive it gets, and
so there can be a benefit to getting a deal
done early. Getting it done after year three would be
really If you look around the league, that doesn't happen
(09:02):
very often. Most of the time, teams wait until after
the fourth year. That's generally the way that it's gone,
sometimes even after the fifth year, and so getting it
done after year three would be really early. But it
does happen. And but neither of them said anything close,
so I need to have a deal done before the
upcoming season or anything like that. They are they're letting
(09:22):
their agent take care of that, and they're seemingly in
no rush to try to push the issue on that.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Well, So the fifth year option for both players, Tyler
Linderbaum his would be twenty three point four million dollars
and then for Kyle Hamilton eighteen point six million dollars.
So you look at that, and both of those are
higher because both players went to two Pro Bowls, so
it makes it more costly. I mean, Lennerbaum's number certainly
(09:51):
jumps out as you was saying, Wow, that's a that's
a big number.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Why is it higher than Hamilton.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
It's just offensive linemens, So like left tackles are included
in the and whatnot, Like left tackles get paid.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
It's all offensive linement. They don't break it up by
center guard. It's all offensive linman exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
And so if one of those two players were to
get I think that there's a higher likelihood that Linerbaum
could get a deal an extension done before Kyle Hamilton
because Kyle Hamilton's and that's not a no by no
means an indication of like the desire to keep one.
The desires fixed very high for both, right, I don't
(10:28):
think that would be. It wouldn't be because of that
because they want Tyler Moore or whatever.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I think that's more important.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
It's because of the economics here, you know, And and
I think it makes a lot of sense to get
a deal done with Tyler more than doing one this
offseason with Kyle Hamilton. And you'd say that it's not
common for players to get extensions after the third year. Well,
Cam Jurgen's the Philadelphia Eagles center, just got one done.
(10:56):
He was in the same draft class as as Tyler Lindenbaum. Yeah,
and Cam Jurgen Whens. Jurgens was a second round pick
and you know, literally just today got this deal done.
It's a four year, sixty four million dollar reported con
or I'm sorry, four year sixty eight million dollar reported contract.
(11:16):
So you're looking at seventeen million dollars, which makes him
the high second highest paid center in terms of yearly
average behind the Chiefs Creed Humphrey. So when you're looking
at seventeen million dollars on average a year, and then
you're looking at this number for three at twenty.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Three right for the fifth year option exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
So, tyleran Baum said today that he was made aware
of the Cam Jurgens contract. You know, he knows about it,
knows it happened and sometimes you know, even like we
saw with when Lamar got his contract extension, right, Jalen
Hurts got his right before, and that helped kind of
set the framework for Lamars, which he then he ended
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up upping Jalen Hurts's number, you know, topping that number
just afterwards. So it's like, some times these things can
be really very helpful. I expect that eventually Tyler Linderblom's
gonna probably land right in that range as one of
the top centers in the league. And hey, Eric Decast
has had draft surprises for us before. Could this be
another one? It wouldn't shock me now. Tyler Linbaum said, no,
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real conversation.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Yeah, that's the thing. Neither of them, unless they were
playing coy, neither both of them said like, yeah, those
conversations haven't really started yet. Those guys are busy upstairs.
They got the draft this week. We know that's what
they're working on. But you know, as maybe Tyler walked
upstairs right for that press conference.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Well, and also, just because you declare that you are
gonna you've exercised the fifth year option, you don't pay
that immediately, right, You can get an extension done before
you actually start on that fifth year option, right, so
there's time, there's plenty of time.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
We're probably not gonna get any announcement on the fifth
year option. Eric basically said that as much last week
during his press conference. He'll he'll make that announcement what
ten minutes before he's required to is what it sounded like,
and that that makes sense. There's no real rush to
make any sort of announcement. We're talking about the twenty
twenty seven season before that's where that contract would be,
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so there's not like they have to make any sort
of rushed announcement on that. And even if the Ravens, like.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Even if there's a deadline to exercise, there's.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
A deadline to exercise it, and you have to make
that decision that soon, but you don't have to make
any announcement prior to right when you make that decision
to exercise it. And even if the Ravens, like, even
if they said, you know what, let's not pick up
the fifth year option for Linderbaumb they could still work
towards that deal or absolutely or or they could pick
up that option and also work towards that deal. Like
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it's the exercising the fifth year option just guarantees that
he's in place for another year, that both those guys
would be in place for another year. But the more
likely scenario is probably that they work towards an extension
rather than ever playing on whatever the number is for
both of those guys.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, I guess I would. I would agree, I would.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
I would anticipate that probably an extension is going to
get them for both those guys.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
When it happens that, you don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
That remains to be and it wouldn't shock me if
it takes until after the season. But also I think
there's a lot of there's a lot of merit to
what you just laid out with the Jurgen's deal getting
done and the linderbomb figures. So maybe it happens prior
to the season or even in the middle of the season.
That possibility exists.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
When Kyle Hamilton said, you know, he'd like to get
a deal done. Ideally, he doesn't like that stuff kind
of hanging over him during a season. He wants it
just kind of taken care of and focus on football.
I think he'd be focused on football either way, but
that would be his preference. But like I liked what
I heard from both guys on this subject. You know, hey,
(14:37):
I'm not gonna worry about it. It reminded me of
Nom Dee matabk That was the same sentiment he had
throughout his contract year and everybody was talking about it
and all this stuff, and he was like, I'm just
gonna let that take care of itself. That's what I
have an agent for, and I'm going to focus on football.
And then he got paid, and I expect these two
guys are both gonna get paid.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, I think that's They're definitely gonna get paid. It's
just a matter of time and a matter of what
that deal looks like. The other interesting thing on Kyle
before we talk kind of broadly about some of the
things happening during these workouts, he was asked about the
position that he You know, of course he's a safety,
but what does he want to play like? Is it deep? Safety?
Is at the Swiss rby knife where he's at the
line of scrimmage. Of course, the draft is this week.
(15:16):
There's been plenty of talk about the Ravens adding a
safety in the draft.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
And more on that later when we reveal our seven, yes.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Seven round mock Draft is coming. So stay tuned on
that front. But that's going to drop Wednesday morning, which
we were very excited about. And and he said what
he's often said, like, I just I want to be
an asset. I'm not I'm comfortable in either role. He
just kind of played it down in the middle, and
so like, I could go either way on that, and
(15:44):
I think that, honestly, how the Ravens use him. And
he alluded to this, he said this much it could
change series to series, Like, I don't think that he's
ever going to be a player that's exclusively I'm going
to be a deep safety or even exclusively I'm going
to be a guy that plays up the line of
scrimmage and in the Swiss armon Neff role. It could
change game to games, series to series. And that's one
of the things that makes him so versatile.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
I think Kyle Hamilton will always be used in that,
in that Swiss army knife kind of role. That's part
of what makes him so special, right, is that he
can do at all. And and you know, even even
if you were to say like and and Kyle played
back more often this past season and played more deep.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Safe, especially in the second half of the year.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
In the second half of the year exactly, and he
said he felt like he proved something in that regard
to the doubters who didn't then really think that he
could do that. And he liked the leadership role in
the communication and all that stuff, and he did a
great job with that, and so he proved himself in
that regard. But I think, you know, part of me
thinks that if Kyle Hamilton, if they just left him
as center fielder and hey man, you're just there to
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to prevent the deep shots and all that stuff, the
part of me feels like Kyle Hounds would be like, hey,
I kind of missed the action.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
I kind of missed.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I kind of missed being in the center of it.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
I'm bored back here, Yeah, a little bit, like he
wants me, he wants to be part of it.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I like even of course, there's the part that is like, hey, yeah,
I want to be the centerfielder and getting interceptions and
I want to you know, you also want to take
care of your body to a degree. Right, it's physical
down closer to the trenches and you get more bumps
and bruises. Part of me thinks that Kyle Hansen, he
likes playing football. It was bumps and Bruises' alright.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
With that too, because who gives you some RUMs and
bruises too.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Yeah, he's always on the receiving end. Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
I think it's that. How the Ravens used him is
going to be one of the interesting things I think
of this year, and especially depending on what they do
in the draft.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
But he I do think that it could be a
little bit less than in previous years because I think
and the Ravens have made pretty clear this offseason. John
Harball's talked about it at the owner's meetings. They like
Marlon Humphrey in the slot, and so Marlin proved that
once again last year. Of course he can play outside,
but I think he's at his best when he's playing
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in the slot and can do both.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yeah, I think it's like, if I'm guessing, my guess
is that it will be very similar to what we
saw in the second half of last year, where he's
primarily deep, but he's still, of course in certain situations
can come downhill. And that's what I'm my guess is
what it will look like for him.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I think it's probably between that and what it was.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Take a little bit more. Yeah, that'll be again, it
depends on the personnel, yep. And who the Ravens end
up with in the draft is a big piece of
that equation. Yep.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Totally agree. All right, we're going to take a break.
Can we come back.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
We're gonna break down some other points from today the
first day of voluntary off season workouts.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
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The crown is yours. So as always, when you get
to the off season workouts and you're having these conversations,
you're talking about guys who are getting bigger, add and
weight losing weight.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
That's part of the conversation, right exactly.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
And one of the guys, of course that Scott Elliott,
the Ravens strength and conditioning coordinators, asked about is Lamar Jackson.
And last year Lamar lost a bunch of weight coming
into the season, So that was a big talking point
in conversation going into last year. Basically, what Scott said
is look that worked out pretty well last year, played
it at MVP caliber level, and then over the course
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of the year he made the I thought this was
kind of an interesting point, like he came in really
lean and then over the course of the year actually
added a few pounds, added some muscle to his frame,
just kind of with stand things over the course of
the year and basically indicated it's going to be a
similar plan this year.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah, which is no surprise.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I thought, for all the handwringing that happened last year
with Lamar's lower weight, it worked out just fine.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Well, he looked he was super fast.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Opponents said he was faster, his teammates thought he was faster,
He looked faster.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
He probably measured faster.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
When the Ravens doo all the analytics, they know, they
know the answers to these questions, and so I don't
see any reason why it would change.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Yeah, I think honestly, what I think it comes down
to is what Lamar wants and how he feels. If
he feels like he wants to be leaner, to be faster, great,
If he feels like he wants to add some weight
over the course of the years to with stand the
physical nature of the season great, Like, whatever he feels
like has worked pretty well, and so it sounds like
that's going to be the same approach again.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Yep, definitely agree. A player where weight is certainly a
talking point is also Nate Wiggins, And when the Ravens
drafted him a year ago, that was the biggest topic
of conversation was, man, this sky is pretty thin. He's
very lean, and the Ravens were clear about that that, Hey,
as Nate matures as an athlete and as a person,
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he's just going to put on more weight and more
muscle and have more of an NFL cornerback body. Now
again another.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Case of it worked out pretty darn well, right.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Nate Wiggins had an excellent rookie season, especially down the stretch.
I thought he played a really high level and he
worked hard in the weight room during the course.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Of the season.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
You could see him gradually transforming. But it's it's a
challenge for a rookie when you come in And I
thought Scott Elliott made a great point when these guys
are in pre draft mode, they're training for the combine
and for their pro days, and that they're training for
the forty the vertical and you're not necessarily training for football.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah, you're training to get drafted higher.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
And now then you go from that and you're you're
drafted and literally a week two weeks later you're starting practice, right,
So it is a quick turnaround, and you often see
and then it's straight in the season and it is
a grind and it's a long season for those rookies
who aren't used to playing football for that long in college.
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And so now when you have that breath after your
your this frantic kind of rookie year to first step back,
get your feedback under you, and now go into a
full robust NFL offseason conditioning program. That's often see where
you see players make the biggest adjustment physically, it's from
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year one of the year two. And Nate Wiggins, I
think is as a great example of that for the
Ravens and Scott Elliott talked about how, you know, the
advancements that Nate made over the course of last season
and how he wants to see him just kind of
continue that momentum.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yeah. Clifton Brown and I on the podcast we ran
this morning talking to me, yes exactly. We talked about
the players that have the most to gain, and Nate
was at the top of our list for both of
us and outlining these offseason workouts and a couple of
things with Nate that I think are worth mentioning. He's
a leaner guy, so just frame wise, like he's that's
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just how he's built. But the other part is like
he's young. Nate's twenty one years old right now, Like
he's still one of the youngest players in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
He's going to be younger.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
There's a pretty good chance that he's younger than whoever
the Ravens drafts in the first round. He might be
the youngest player in the Ravens draft class again this year.
Like that possibility exists. So he's like a young player
and that physically maturing just comes with age, and so
I think that like it's part of how he's built,
it's part of his age. I think that it will
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be really beneficial to him. He looked. I mean, we're
both really high on him. He was awesome I think
as a rookie and was playing his best football at
the end of the season, and I think he has
like Pro Bowl corner potential. Would not shock me if
he if he vaults himself into that status this year.
He really would not shock me.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
I look at other players from last year's draft class too,
Roger Rosengarten in a somewhat similar vein with similar conversation.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
With a leaner leaner player.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Hey, if once he bulks up like he's got the frame,
he adds more strength than all that. How with his mobility,
how good can he become? So I'm excited about him. Yeah,
I will get a desa Isaac third round pick. I
mean we're sitting here talking all about.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
The third round.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
What third round pass rusher could the Ravens draft this year,
right on Day two whatever? Like they took one last year,
and a desa Isaac, the guy who was very athletic
and unfortunately missed a fair amount of time due to
injury last year. But what can he do this offseason
to really take that next step?
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I look at TJ.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Tampa, a player that we came out of last year's
draft class, and he was considered one of the biggest
steals of the entire draft that the Ravens somehow got
him in the fourth round. Mel Kiper was projecting him
as an early second round pick. Yeah, and so what
can he do, he again missed time with injuries. So like,
there's a lot of players in that year, one year,
two cluster of players that I think could really make
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some big strides.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Yeah, for Isaac and Tampa, it's basically like the health
piece of it, get your body physically ready. And then
for Nate and Roger, who both played a lot and
played at a high level, it's like packing on the
muscle and building a building out of your frame. And
but I'm with you. I think that like the jump
for all those guys could be pretty significant this year,
and that that work starts right now. The injury thing
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is interesting too, like because the Ravens have been, especially
the last few years, a really healthy team. And yep,
that's all. You always throw that in throw that in there.
But Scott Elliott was asked about like how essentially how
big is the work that you do now in terms
of building the foundation for the team and injury prevention,
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Like is this injury prevention work? How important is that?
And I thought he gave a pretty good answer on it.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Basically Scott said it comes down to preparation plus luck,
and I think he's absolutely right with that.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Look you put in a lot of work.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
And the Ravens have dive very deep into the analytics
and the studies and all those things about how to
prevent injuries, how to come back from injuries quickly, recovery,
all those things. They spend a lot of time, resources, money,
all those things in that and all those people involved
deserve a lot of credit with And it begins now.
(25:51):
This is what we're talking about, Scott Elliott, and the
work that they're putting in right now is to prevent
injuries and get their body in peak performance. And so
the people that are helping the players and the players
themselves to deserve credit.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Also.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
It's luck and sometimes that nobody wants to hear it.
And certainly when the Ravens were going through the tough
period they went through several years ago where they had
some seasons with very high injury rates that really held
them back from their potential as a team, nobody wanted
to hear it. Hey, it's just bad luck. Some of it, Yeah,
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you know, certainly is bad luck. You can't Football is
a physical game. You can't help if somebody rolls up
on you, Yeah, and or whatever like that's just going
to happen. What you try to eliminate is a lot
of those soft tissue hamstrings, those kind of things. And
that's not to say you can eliminate them one hundred percent,
but you work to do that the freakish stuff that's
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just gonna happen because it's football. And so I think
that everybody involved deserves a lot of credit. And Scott
Elliott has come in here and done a great job,
and the Ravens have given the resources, and John Harball
certainly leads the charge in terms of turning over every
stone when it comes to you know, how to what
processes you're going to have and how to do things better,
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it kind of comes from the top. And then also
spending the money and having the resources on these new
toys that Scott Elliott talked about that hey, they're tracking
how fast they're putting the bar up and down. Right
when they're doing bench presses, I'll tell you how fast
it is for you next to not fly they put it.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
On hur speed for you.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
It's not even.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Measurable that bar ain't getting off, so they don't need
to measure it for us. But like you know, and
the catapult vests and all those different metrics that they
have like they it's advanced.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Well, it's it's interesting. I asked scotch about the evolution
of it and and like when I when I started
here in twenty eleven, like the weight room looked different
than it does today. Like it was it looked a
little bit more like an old school weight room in
terms of how it was it was built. There was
more machines in there, and it was like it was
a different looking weight room to the one today, which
is much more like technologically advanced. And Scott could provide
(28:04):
a much more detailed explanation of all the different ways
that the program has evolved. There's technology, there's the type
of training, there's band training, there's leaning more like the
conditioning aspect of things. There's all sorts of there's nutrition,
which is a whole element of its own. There's a
lot that goes into it. And so it's been Scott
talked about that evolution and it is interesting to see.
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And another point that he made that I thought was
a good one is when free agents come in here,
like they want to have I look at DeAndre Hopkins
as an example, Like, when free agents come in here,
they want to have an understanding what the program as
a whole looks like, and that involves what that weight
room program looks like. And like DeAndre Hopkins signed his
contract here and immediately went to work in the weight
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room and started getting to know the guys in there
and was putting in work and that's part of it.
And similarly, Scott actually talked. He told a fun story
about Dereck Henry. And of course we all know Derek
Henry stories or workouts or legendary. I mean, this guy,
guy's probably the like the biggest workout worrier in the
NFL in terms of what he can do in the
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weight room. And so Scott told a story about after
the season, they had an opportunity to kind of just
continue talking and he gave Eric a workout back at
like a year ago this time around May this time.
So then Derek took that back home to his trainer
and his family even in Dallas. And then during the
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off season leading into training camp, everybody was doing the workout.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
So Scott gave Derek a workout like everybody back at
his Jim in Dallas, like his family, Derek Henry's family
was doing it.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Everybody's doing the workout everybody else.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
He works out of that gym was doing the Scott
Elliott Ravens workout.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Yeah, yeah, and so, but Scott didn't even know that
until the season was over and he was talking with Derek,
and Derek was here for a couple of weeks continuing
to to I guess, do his maintenance routine to close
out a season, I guess, And he shared that story
with him, and so it was the point being that,
like there's this connection between to what a veteran player
who's great at working out on their own does and
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building that and bridging that with what the team can
provide as well.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
I think that's a testament to Scott Elliott and his
staff around him and the relationships that they've built in
that right room, Like that that goes a long way.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
I think Derek Manners had no shortage of coming up
with workouts right like.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
He yeah, and it's and it's trust and it's you know,
the weightlifting portion of NFL operation is kind of like
the homework, right. It's like the everybody likes to do
the glitzeeing, everybody likes to play the games, right, how
much do you like doing the nitty gritty stuff that
isn't as fun, right the weightlifting portion, like it's in
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your better analogy, it's in your vegetables, right, and so like,
the better you can make those vegetables taste, the happier
the verse is gonna be. And and I think that
Scott Elliott and his team have really developed those relationships
where there's trust, as this Derrick Henry story is speaks too. Right.
When you have somebody that knows what works best for
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them and it has a very regimented routine, is a
pro and has been doing it for a long time,
and then they're taking what you recommend and working that
into what they do, that speaks to trust. Yeah, And
just that's part of why the Ravens I think the
past couple of years have also had fewer injuries. There's
been buy in from the players. That's what you need
as a coach of any position, really and including in
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the weight room, is that buy in, and the Ravens
have it. And I think they're in a really good
place for that.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Yeah, So it's good. I mean, it's exciting.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah. A couple other quick notes for me.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
You know, you have players talking for the first time
since free agency, and there's free agency losses and additions
and whatnot, And a couple of the more notable Ravens
losses were at inside linebacker, where Malie Harrison went to
the Steelers and Chris Board to the Giants. And then
you also had Pat McCarey who left for the Jaguars,
and so that opens up a couple of starting positions.
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Malie Harrison was starting down the hat second half of
last season. Roquan Smith said that he has gotten in
some workout sessions already this offseason with Trent and Simpson,
and so I like hearing that, and that's really kind
of developing that bond and getting those two on the
same page as they're projected to work together a lot
this upcoming season. Trenton is certainly, as a stands now
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the leader in the clubhouse for that starting spot next
to to Roquan that he began last year with. So
that's a good, I think, a good sign for those
two as they continue to work on that chemistry.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
There's no there's no secret this is a big year
for Trent and Simpson and he's going into a role
where he again he earned that spot coming out of
camp last year, and then the has went a different
direction down the stretch. But really talented player, really hard worker.
He's another guy that just diligent in what he does
and he's not gonna get out worked, I don't think.
And so he's been in.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
That one another guy. This isn't the first time we've
seen him this offseason.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Yeah, he's been he's been here before and a smart guy,
worked hard. So I think that the Ravens know that
there's gonna be a lot on his plate this year
and last year, Like we were all talking a year
ago about how we felt like he could step into
that role and initially he did, and so it's a
similar story. It's a similar conversation. But I just think
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that the experience of last year is really beneficial to him.
And sure, and John Harwall even made the point like,
go back and look at Patrick Queen and his career
here in Baltimore, and he really took off in year three.
And certainly hope it's the same story with Trent Simpson,
and it would not surprise me if that's the case.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
And then another player, Andrew Voorhee's is probably the leader
in the clubhouse to start at left guard with Pat
McCarey's departure for Jacksonville and another player that we've seen
around the building. You know, players can they can come
and work out here whenever they want. It's not no
coaches are involved, but they can. It's open gym. And
so like those offensive linemen have been around a lot,
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including Andrew Voorhees, and so Tyler Linbaum talked about how
much faith in confidence he has and Andrew to step
in even though you know, Tyler's hurting his buddy. Yeah,
his buddy Pat McCarey left. He's happy for him that,
you know, he got that nice contract down in Jacksonville.
But it's a little bit, it'll be a bit of
a change in the locker room.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Well, Rocks mckerry and Linderbaum's lockers were right next to
each other.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
They were clowning all the time.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Yes, they were buds. But I'm gonna guess that for He's,
he might step into that role both locker room wise
and on the field. He might just step in. Amma
and Linderbaum are buddies also, so I think that they're
they're pretty good friends both on and off the field.
So I think that for He's totally could step into
that role again. I mean it's kind of a similar
conversation with Trenton Simpson and both these guys going into
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their third years. For He's won that job out of
camp last year, then he got hurt. That was the difference.
He got hurt, and then once he got hurt, they
shoveled things around. Rose Garden came into the starting line.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Up well, and the difference is before He's missed his
entire rookie season as he was reh having a knee,
So he's really kind of a year behind Trenton to
a degree.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Developmental lies, yes, but just in terms of both those
guys had starting experience last year and they're going to
get a chance to win that starting job again this year,
and I think that there's real optimism and a reason
for belief that both those guys could do it really adequately.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Well, like I said at the top, Garrett, the most
exciting day of the year. Nobody could argue otherwise. Very exciting.
Ravens fans. Make sure you email us at the lounge
at ravenst NFL dot net. And as we teased, we're
gonna have our full seven round mock drafts.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Yeah, that's the second most exciting day of the year.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah, that is a really exciting day. You're gonna blow
it again this year?
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Yeah, well, I can't wait. You see how bad decisions
you make this year? You I mean, you said would
stand in the pod, you said and cut it right.
We're not going to get into failures.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
But I don't think that you have ever beaten me
in a mock track.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
That's not true.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
I don't think you've ever beaten me.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
All right, well, well you know what, we got a
couple of days to go to the film. All right,
we're gonna go. We're gonna get I don't wanna doun't
that too deep?
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Please please do, because not gonna be a story that
you want to tell.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
I'm gonna go find the one time that I had
more correct guesses than you. You'll be looking for a
long time, but we are.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
That episode is gonna drop on Wednesday morning, all eleven
picks from each of us, uh in terms of what
the Ravens could do in this draft, and again draft
is Thursday night. We're really excited about it. That truly
is one of the best days of the year, one
of our favorite weekends. So we can't wait. Let us
know who you think the Ravens are gonna pick. You
can email us your mock draft. Some of you already have.
(36:36):
I always look forward to reading those. You can email
us at the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net.
Thank you so much for listening, and we will be
back with you again on Wednesday when we dropped those
seven round marks
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