Why the Ravens Offense Struggled and How the Secondary Improved. Ravens-Steelers Film Review

Team insiders Ryan Mink and Garrett Downing discuss Lamar Jackson's frustrating day, the failed two-point conversion, what's happening with the penalties, and the Ravens' secondary switches in Baltimore's 18-16 loss in Pittsburgh.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan mink
here with Garrett Downing, and we have taken a deep
dive into the film from the Ravens eighteen to sixteen
loss in Pittsburgh, and we're gonna try to explain, you know,
some of the things that went wrong for fans who
are wondering, gosh, you know, why wasn't this the Ravens
team that I've been watching in recent weeks and what happened,
and also highlight some of the things that went right,

(00:26):
because there were positive things to take away from this game.
And Garrett, I'll just start out here that initially after
the game when we recorded the pod, our instant kind
of reaction pod like more of me felt like and
I said this, I felt like the Steelers just beat
the Ravens, and like, I'm kind of tired of hearing
the like, well, we just we only beat ourselves. When

(00:48):
I go back and watch the film, there was more
beaten of ourselves than I think I felt live. And
you still have to give the Steelers credit for getting
making some of these turnovers, ripping the ball away, getting
a force fumble, all those things.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
The ridiculous you.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Know, interception on the long ball to just still like
you still have to give the Steelers credit. But when
I looked at the film, there are a fair number
of missed opportunities for the Ravens where man like, I
don't know why they just missed these opportunities against the Steelers,
but if they make those plays as they have for
much of the season, it's a much different ballgame.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
I agree with that, and I when I kind of
thought about it, there's the missed opportunities, and then there's
like the mis cues, and so like the missed opportunities
would be some of the past attempts down the field
that didn't happen for either the protection, not holding up
Lamar Jackson, not seeing an open receiver, receiver not running
the best route. So that's like the missed opportunities, and
then the mis cues are when you think about it,

(01:44):
and it's fumbling on the second player of the game,
and the penalties and the penalties. It's like the turnovers
and the penalties, and it's really the fumbles. The interception
was kind of a crazy play. I still think you
could make the case like just hold onto the ball,
but it's a crazy that was a crazy play. But
the fumbles really, like, I give the Steelers credit for
ripping at the ball and making a good hit, but

(02:04):
you just got to hold onto the ball in those situations.
And Derek Hennery and Isaiah likely would be the first
to say that, And so I think that those are
those were clearly situations that hurt the Ravens in this game,
cost them dearly.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
And both of those fumbles that led to six points
in a game you lost by two.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
And so I think that as I've looking at it,
taken a kind of a bigger picture of you at it.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
I'm with you.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
I have come even more around to the fact that
the Ravens beat themselves at times, and those are We're
going to talk through a bunch of those instances, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Well, let's start with Lamar Jackson, as we oftentimes have.
And hey, Lamar's having an awesome season, right, I don't
think that this was his best game, you know, And
so there were some specific instances where as you alluded to,
I think he just you know, didn't see some open
receivers in this game, and which is rare for Lamar

(02:57):
because his field vision is so good. That's part of
what makes him really great. One such as this early
in the game. The Ravens are in scoring position, They're
in field goal range, and it just looked like like
Lamar locked in on Deontay Johnson, as you know, maybe
he was read number one and he kind of locked
in on that. And it turns out as Steelers defender

(03:19):
slipped fell whatever, and Zay Flowers broke wide open for
what should have been a touchdown. What could have been
a touchdown. I shouldn't say should, but you know, there's
a lot of talk yelling into this game about Deontay
Johnson and not being super involved, and I think that
the Ravens wanted to get him involved. Whether it's because
he was playing his former team or not, probably not,

(03:42):
but that was a factor. I think Lamar Jackson wants
his receivers to be happy and he wants to get
him the ball too, right, And on that play in particular,
when you go back and watch that, it looked like
they locked in on Deontay Johnson on what ended up
being a wheel route down the sideline. It was a
deep shot for the end zone. No Deontay got a step,

(04:02):
he didn't leave Lamar a very big window.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Or to throw that ball into.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
I think he was a little too close to the
sideline and Lamar ended up selling the ball too far
outside and it was out of bounds incomplete, even though
he had a step. It's a little bit of a missed,
missed opportunity for sure, not only because Zay was broke
wide open and maybe he was the second read. I
don't know where he was in the progression, but he
got wide open and then just kind of missed the throw.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah, that play looks like it was clearly schemed up
for Deontay Johnson. That was a play for him, and
so I can't really fault necessarily the decision to just
take the first read on that play and fallow through
and throw it to him, because he did get a
step on the play, and so you're like, Okay, he was.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
The first read, he got a step, and you threw
it to him.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Now, it was a pass that sailed a little bit
out of bounds, and like you mentioned, Deontay was hugging
the sideline up that route, so there wasn't a huge
window to throw into. It's I mean, it's painful when
you look at that and you see say Flowers jumping
up and down over the middle of the field.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
He would have been wide open for a touchdown.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
And so but it's hard. My point is that it's
kind of tough to look off the first route if
the first route is their potentially.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
When he released the ball, it wasn't like Deonce was
had blanketed with two guys over like covered. Well, yeah,
he wasn't really like way open and he wasn't blanketed
either like Lamar. It was an anticipation throw, and it
was the right anticipation. He anticipated that correctly. He did
not anticipate in say, Flowers breaking wide open because the
Steelers fender fell. So like some of that stuff where
you go back, just generally speaking, when you go back

(05:33):
and you look at like, oh man, this guy was
wide open wide didn't you throw it to him? Some
of that is fair, some of it's not right. Some
of it's like, well, it's because he had a guy
right in his face and he couldn't see that guy,
that receiver that was wide open.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Like that's part of the nuance.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
When you go back and watch film, that's hard to
really break down where was that receiver in the progression?
Maybe he was the fourth read right like he didn't
have time to get to that read like some of
that exists, right, And like I said before, what's part
part of what's made Lamar so good not only this
season but over his career is like oftentimes he has
seen those receivers break wide open, or he buys time

(06:10):
to see those receivers break quite open. And it felt
like in this game his eyes weren't as like sharp
as they have.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Been in other games.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yeah, like on this one, to your point, part of
it is the like, is this a situation where hey,
guy broke open, you wouldn't even have seen it. Nothing
you can really do there, versus you definitely should have
seen it. Like I put it kind of right down
the middle honestly on this like the again, the first
route was I'll call it moderately open.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
It was moderately is, Yeah, it was. It was.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
It could have been there, could have completed that pass
with a great throw and then if he goes up
and makes the play, So you could have made that play.
But it's painful when you look at Zay Flowers runner
wide open because a guy fell down and he's wide
open there. And so that's probably tough to see as
you're looking on the far end of the field and
you have a guy over the middle who comes wide open.
But I'll put that one right down the middle in

(07:01):
terms of should you have looked off that? And also
I'm sure when Lamar was sitting there on the sidelines
and you pull up the tablet and you're like, let's
see how that probably looks, and you see za Flowers
wide open, you're just sick.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Right totally.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
And there were other ensans Isaiah likely Burg wide open
on one. You know, there was Zay Flowers later in
the game was open on the sideline. Lamar kind of
scrambled to try to make something happen and ended up
whizzing it over his head, you know, so just a
miss misthrow. You know, there's a deep crosser debate that
he kind of just turfed it a little too much.
So it just wasn't as sharp as game. Yeah right,

(07:34):
that's fine. Everybody has those games. Lamar Jackson has way
fewer than most quarterbacks. Yeah right, so like, but it's frustrating.
That's part of the frustration coming out of this game.
I thought another interesting wrinkle to this game was that
Lamar didn't scramble as much as I thought he might
against the Steelers. You know, he had three designed runs

(07:57):
that were successful, you know, they they popped. Other than that,
he had zero scrambles in this game, which is unusual,
particularly because the Steelers played a very high rate of
man coverage. They played man coverage forty five point seven
percent of the time according to the Next Gen Stats.
It's the second highest rate that any team this season

(08:17):
has played man coverage. The Commander's played at fifty percent
of time. They just went right down the middle fifty
to fifty zone versus man. And so usually what prevents
teams from wanting to play man coverage man and man
coverage against the Ravens is okay, when that defensive backs
eyes are locked on the receiver, they're not on Lamar Jackson,
and so when receivers are cleaning our routes and whatnot,

(08:39):
that opens up opportunities for Lamar to take off and
run even on nonscripted plays, just on scrambles, and Lamar
didn't have any of those against the Steelers. Now, part
of it is I think they just the Steelers have
a really fast, aggressive defense. They closed down on those
things fast. You know, they've played Lamar many times. They

(08:59):
can also run a count They can do combos of
man coverage with a spy and still have somebody's eyes
on Lamar. Like the pressure up, the pressure up front
fast linebackers, Namley Patrick, fast linebackers exactly, Patrick Queen. You know,
they have got a lot of pressure in this game,
which can certainly throw off the running opportunities Lamar. Kind

(09:20):
of they did a good job of not getting behind Lamar,
keeping him kind of in front of him, not get
opening up those obvious scramble lanes for Lamar. So I
think the Steelers defense knows how to defend Lamar well,
how to kind of close some of that stuff up.
Were there some opportunities that Lamar didn't take, maybe so,
But that was a factor in the game that the
Ravens really didn't get anything out of the scramble game,

(09:42):
even though the Steelers are.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Playing high man and man coverage.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Well.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Ryan Clark and Dan Rolofski get a segment on this
on Monday Night Countdown talking about the missed opportunities from
a scrambling standpoint, And I think there probably were some
plays there where Lamar could have taken off and ran
and picked up ten yards twelve yards on some of
those plays, and it certains when a game comes down
to a two point game that you lose, and especially

(10:06):
when the offense was kind of disjointed all game, you
look back at it and say, man, you should have
taken some of those just taken some of those easy
first downs and kept the chains moving. Well, that's how
Lamar felt coming out of the AFC Championship against the Chiefs,
who again that was a high man man coverage, and
he came out of that game saying, man, why didn't
I just run all over them?

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Like, do what you have to do. Don't don't be
too concerned with staying in the pocket, throwing on the ball,
like run just if it do whatever it takes. Run
all over them if it takes it. Yeah, And like
it happened again against the Steelers, potentially win their worst
some opportunities to run.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Yeah, well I've noticed is a Steelers breakdown, not an
AFC Championship breakdown. You know, it was interesting after because
because he did make the point on the AFC Championship
after the fact, he revealed that his legs were basically shot.
That's true in that game, So that was probably a
big factory in that game. I don't think that's the
case in this game, but I don't know what it was.
I do think that this year he has and this
has generally worked out well for him and the Ravens

(11:01):
like he more than any point in his career, in
my mind, is scrambling to throw rather than scrambling to run.
So he's continuing to look for plays down the field
and that can lead to some like heroics and plays.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Man, that was an incredible play.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
That was awesome, And that's like the he's He comes
up with those, it seems like every game. And if
there's instances where you're continuing to do that and then
it doesn't work out, or you get sacked for.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Zero yards or you throw it away, or then you're.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Like, man, you should have just taken the run there.
Why didn't you run there? But that's a balance, and
I think that it did not. That approach did not
work out as well for the Ravens in this game.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, all right, moving on, let's talk about the two
point conversion. Obviously, the game came down to that play,
at least for going to overtime.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Who knows if the Ravens would have won. I think
they would have won it had the momentum on their side.
I generally like the Ravens.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
As an overtime team, especially if you come back and
you score that fashion like, I think that you're going
to win that game.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah, anyway, we won't torture ourselves like down that path,
but we will torture ourselves by going down.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
And taking a deep. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
All the two point different right, different type. One thing
that I think is important when breaking down what happened
on this play is to go back a week ago
when the Ravens had a two point conversion against the
Cincinnati Bengals right late in that game. Huge play that
put the Ravens up by seven. Right, if they hadn't
converted that, they're up by five. The Bengals scored a

(12:25):
touchdown the other way to win the game, right, The
Bengals ended up going for two and not getting it.
Ravens won thirty five to thirty four. So huge play
against the Bengals and the Ravens on that one. Again,
ran left with Lamar Jackson and what they did on
What was different about that play versus this one was
Derrick Henry is in backfield. Yeah, Lamar Jackson faked a

(12:47):
hand off to Derrick Henry that froze Trey Hendrickson, who
had to honor the dive, which is Derrick Henry basically
up the middle. That froze Derek Trey Henderson, their best
defensive player.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
And allowed Lamar then to pull the ball and take
the outside path.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Now, similarly to the play against the Steelers, the Ravens
again had Nelson Aguilore on the end of the line
or close to it, performing a crackdown block. Against the Bengals,
that crackdown block was on Mike Hilton, their smaller stature
nickel cornerback. Nelly did not really execute that block, but

(13:26):
thankfully Mark Andrews, who was coming across the formation essentially
as a pool blocker, picked up enough of Mike Hilton
to stop him in his tracks and help Lamar get
outside quickly. Mark then also blocked a cornerback, Taylor Britt,
which paved the way for Lamar to walk into the
into the end zone for that successful two point version.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Okay, so that's the backstory.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Okay, Ravens ear in a very similar, well same position
against the Steelers, need a two point conversion to extend
the game. First, they called a run for Lamar to
the right. Okay, that was that was play called number one,
in which it looked like and I to their credit,
looked like they.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Were going to double t J. Watt.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
They learned their lesson from years ago when t J.
Watt went unblocked that was unsuccessful. They were going to
send pat Riccard on him and I think it was McCarey,
and so I like that and which then they had
a crack block on Patrick Queen with Tylan Wallace. It
was going to be Lamar and Justin Sill basically one
on one against this cornerback. Unfortunately, Steelers are grand at

(14:31):
a time out of the last second, Steelers got to
look at what that play was going to be. Raymonds
went to play number two. Now the Steelers guess again,
They're going to keep the ball on Lamar Jackson's hands
as a runner. Yeah, that was a correct.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
Guess and they and they did say that like that
was something that was said after the game. Patrick Queen
said that, and a number of people said that he
just felt like, in that situation, the ball is going
to be in Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
So it's easy to say that after you're successful all
that stuff, But sure that was the hunch.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Okay, I think.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Hand and the week before well, and the play itself,
the way they defended the play indicated that that's actually
what they were thinking. That's correct, And the fact that
Derrick Henry wasn't on the field was a stronger hunch
that they were going to keep the ball on.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Lamar Jackson Saints.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
By the way, the fact that Lamar that Dereck Henry
wasn't on the field also meant that the outside linebacker
Nick Krbig did not have to honor that dive. Yeah, okay,
so Herbig. The Ravens tried to basically bluff that they
were going to the right by having Tyler Wallace motion across.
They had Justice Hill sprint out right. They had action
to the right that basically just kind of slowed down

(15:39):
t J.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Watson.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
He didn't tackle him from behind in backside pursuit, but Herbig,
seeing know Derrick Henry, he just shot up field. And
again Nelson Agler was in a position to deliver a
key block on that play.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
And he didn't do it.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Basically did not wall off Herbig fast enough. There also
was some confusion pre snap between Nelson Aglore and Isaiah
likely in terms of who was lined up where seemingly,
which just can't happen on that play, right, this is
a play to send the game to the It's the
most important play of the game, Like, this has to
be a play that you know like the back of
your hand. There cannot be any confusion about this play.

(16:20):
So that was unfortunate. Then Nelly does not execute the
block that fouls up the whole thing in the backfield,
makes Lamarge, slows up Lamar Jackson to getting around the edge.
Also and even more importantly, cuts off two pool blockers
Tyler Underbaum and Mcharry so that they can't kick get out.
It would have been a two on one basically to

(16:40):
kick out cornerback Joey Porter Jr. Now he's unblocked because
the blockers can't get there. Lamar Jackson tries to pump
fake them to he doesn't bite on that and he
takes him down.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Yeah, once Herby got in the backfield, that play was destroyed. Yes,
it just was blown up.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
The block.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
The two pole blockers got caught up in the wash.
And this is what John Harbaugh said about it. He
was asked about it on Monday. So just the quote
from him is, we're disappointed in that play. You want
to have a better play up there, a better play, call,
a better execute, to play everything along those lines, especially
when you lose, and especially when it's an opportunity to
tie the game at the end after a long, hard
fought game like that, You've got to look at those

(17:16):
plays really hard. That's one we'd like to have back
just across the board. So that's what he said just
about that that play. And he's right if you, if you,
if you don't get a two point diversion at that
stage of the game against that opponent, it's going to
get questioned and and so and.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
And that's fair. Like I think that that's fair to
question that. And it was there.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
It was their second play. I honestly don't know, like
and this this happens a lot. It's very common in
the key situations, especially of a spot like that, for
a defense to get a look at the alignment and
then call time out for the last second.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
I kind of want you to like the first play
to be the deep play. Yeah, exactly, can you just
use the bad play for that one thing? Exactly?

Speaker 1 (17:57):
I've thought the same thing before. But then if they
don't call the time out, then you're like, oh you like, yeah, not.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Our best play, right. It's a tough call.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
I know, you don't want to go to the You
don't want to go to the line in that situation
with a play that you're never gonna run, but like
I kind of want.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Like is it a situation where it's like a kill
kill kill?

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Right? Like you go up with your second best play
if they don't take the time but you could kill it.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
And then they take the time out, you say, hey,
are you guys calling time out over there? It's just real?
Are you just faking this? We actually doing this? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (18:26):
And I could be completely honest, like I don't maybe
this is a terrible idea, but could you just run
the play anyway again? Like they got to look at it, right,
But it's like doing rock paper scissors. You go rock
twice in a row, right exactly? Like do you just
go out there and it again?

Speaker 1 (18:41):
I'm gonna I got beat with the paper last time.
He definitely doesn't think I'm gonna go back to the.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Well seriously, can you do that? Is that? I don't know,
Maybe that's a terrible idea, but could that be an option?

Speaker 1 (18:51):
So look, here's the thing what I don't like about
the play call is I don't like that Derek Henry's
down on there because I think that that was another
clue to the steel they didn't have to respect the dive,
that that was another clue that la Mar was going
to keep it.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
I also run a dive. They ran Tilan Wallace across right.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Right right, but eliminates one of the top threats that
the defense has to worry about. So I don't particularly
like that that aspect of the play. I don't particularly
like the aspect of putting Nelson agulor again, just like
in the Bengals game in which he didn't execute the block,
you're putting him in position to execute the key block
of the of the play. Now, the Ravens don't really

(19:29):
like Zay Flowers not known for his blocking, and Rasha
Batan is not known for his blocking. Deontay Johnson's not
known for his blocking. Nelson Aglar's and maybe Thiland are
their best blocking wide receivers. Now, could you put somebody
other than a wide receiver in that position? Could it
be Isaiah Likely who was lined up next to Nilson Agalar,
but his responsibility seemingly was to just double team Kem
Hayward along with Ronnie Stanley and help Ronnie with that block,

(19:54):
or can you motion Justice Hill into the slot Charlie
Kohler in that position like we Nelson struggled with that
block against the Bengals on the two winger version and
he was put back in the same exact position and
it didn't work out.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
So that's the other thing about it.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Now, to the play's credit, if Nelly executes that block,
they probably walk in again. They got two on one.
Joey Porter Junior has not beaten Tyler linnenbum At McCarry.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
If it's executed right, it works, right, But you have
to were those guys put in the best position to succeed, right?

Speaker 2 (20:33):
I don't know. Yeah, I think that.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
Look, Derek Hennery's the best running back in football. He's
been so good around the goal line his entire career,
and so I think that it's a fair criticism to
say any played within the five yard line, I just
want Derek Hennery on the field, Like, I understand that
that point, and I think that like you could just
say any two point play Derek Cannery should be out there,
And that's probably like a fine position to take with validity.

(20:59):
So I think that like that conversation is valid. I
did have another do you have something else? On two
point play?

Speaker 1 (21:05):
I was quote to quickly just say the only I
agree with that what you just said about Derek Henry
should be out there regardless. You know, the counter point
to that, if you want to play just Devil's Advocate
is like, if you know that you're going to keep
the ball in Lamar's hands, does Justice Hill give you
a better chance of being a good blocker in that
situation or Derek Henry, Like Justice Hill's blocking is better

(21:27):
than Derrick Henry's, right.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
So you can think it may be a pass play,
but particularly right obviously talking about he.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Keeps a pass play more open for the defense I
have to worry about, and it gives you a better
blocker on the field helping Lamar Jackson. Now they ran
Justice Hill in the opposite direction, so they didn't even
use him as.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
A blocker play.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
But he's also better to play Devil's Advocate. Yeah, to
the case that, like Derek Henry should be on the
field regardless of anything, Well, sometimes you want your better
blocker out there and the guy that they have to
respect as a pass catching weapon.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Well, and that's part of it too, Like that's not
let's not forget about the fact that the his head
marched all the way down the field and Justice Hill
was on the field that entire drive and that was
that he did great, you know, came up with a
big play on that drive to help put them in
a position to score that touchdown. So as a receiving threat,
he's more of a weapon in that regard to so

(22:14):
he's that could be an option because I've seen the
point I was going to make is there's been and
whenever I feel like this happens whenever, like in any
of the games, it seems like the Ravens have lost
this year, Like the fan outcries like, just give the
ball to Derrick Henry more and look, I love giving
the ball Derrick Henry guys awesome. That he's been everything
you could have asked for him more. But he didn't

(22:34):
get any touches in the fourth quarter. And that's been
like a narrative that's out there, like this guy didn't
get any touches in the fourth quarter, and then he
wasn't on the field for that two point play.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
What's up with that?

Speaker 3 (22:42):
Well, if you actually look at the situation at the
fourth quarter on the drive, the Ravens had been two
drives with the fourth quarter, and on the first one
he was out there, and this was the first one.
Was the play that and the one that ended with
the Justice Hill interception.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
That was the end of the third quarter beginning of
the fourth correct.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
Yeah, so that on that drive, Lamar starts it off
with a big run. Then they run a play to
Derrick Henry where it's a screen pass to him and
he gets fifteen yards there. Well, then that play comes
back because of an illegal formation play. Then the next
play is the long pass to Justice.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Him it was an illegal formation. Illegal man.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
He's saying illegal formation, a legal man downfield, and so
then that play gets negated and now it's first and fifteen,
and then the next play is the interception. Then the
next drive is the touchdown drive that where they go
marching down the field and.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Score and pass your down eight year with how much
time left? Not a lot of time left. You're in
throw mode.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Yeah, well exactly, but it worked like they moved down
the field and they scored a touchdown on that drive,
So like you can criticize not having him out there,
but the drive and in a touchdown. Now the two
point version play does change things because now time is
no longer an element. You're at the two yard line.
You need one play here. So that's a different conversation.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
I think that you said it well earlier.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
I think that there's totally a fair ar to be
made that in any situation like that, I want Derrick
Henry on the field. I think that is a totally
fair stance. I think it's also fair to say, like, look,
he's not gonna be out there for every play, and
there's advantages. You gain some advantages by not having him
out there in different ways, Like we already said with justice,

(24:18):
there are some advantages, So both can be true.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. I'm with you on that.
All right.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
So we're talking about these penalties.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Let's move on to those.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
And you know, penalties have been a problem for the
Ravens consistently this season, so they just have to they
just have to clean up more of these, especially holding
calls on running plays. Now you're gonna have more of
those when a lot of your run game is based
on these stretch runs to the outside. Offensive linemen are

(24:51):
looking for any kind of little advantage to let Derrick
Henry get to that edge. And I guarantee you if
you probably look back on some of these long Derick
Henry runs, that there could have been holding penalties called
on some of those.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Probably, right, there's a.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Reason why it's a cliche. You could call holding on
every play. Yeah, Unfortunately, the Ravens have been getting called
for a lot. Unfortunately, the Ravens have just been getting
called for a lot of penalties that I don't see
a lot of other teams getting called for period Ravens
Like in judgement judgment calls, the Ravens have had their
fair share go against them when compared to their opponents.
I'll get off my pedestel now before I get fined.

(25:31):
And I think when specifically looking at this Steelers game, Okay,
two holding penalties, I think both were legit you look
back on those, they were the right thing to call
those holding penalties. Ronnie's was a little more gray, but
Pat's was definitely a hold. Yeah, So you got to
clean those up, got to be better. Then there's a

(25:55):
special team's penalties. Those are worse in my opinion. Obviously
hold on Malie Harrison on a kickoff return, which backed
the Ravens up, I think to the fourteen and then
you have Snoozy Kine with basically a block in the back.
You can't have those technique issues. The Ravens have had
way too many special teams penalties. I mean, it's hurting them.

(26:16):
Opponents now are basically saying kicking it short of the
end zone, so that because they're thinking, hey, there's a
high chance that we get a penalty here, and they're
backed up.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Not only do we not give them the.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Thirty yard line for free, we're not really now there.
They might get burnt one of these days with Keith
Mitchell and now they're back there with Justice sil like, yeah,
one of these days they're going to get burnt. But
so far they haven't because the Ravens keep committing penalties
too often.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
You haven't broken a big one. So they're taking their chances.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yeah, and it paid off, Steelers single chances paid off yep, right,
and like so that's that's that's hurting the Ravens and
hurting the Special teams unit.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
They got to clean that stuff up.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
You just can't have penalties on kickoff returns, point blank.
It's that simple, like you just can't do it, or
else you're gonna be in situations like they were in
this game where you're starting at your own fifteen yard line,
your own ted, you're all thick, and that hurts your offense.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
That hurts you, like with a little punt return.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
But yeah, yeah, you can't. You just can't have those
on returns, especially the Steelers. You're right, the Steelers made
them return it primarily.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Well and they're not. It's been, but it's been, but
it's been that people have been.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
But even on some of those previously, uh previously they
did have like Chris Collier brought a couple out that
he shouldn't have, And there's instances where you get called
for flags on penalties where you bring it out and
you shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
And so just taking it at the thirty is.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Pretty good right now if they kick it in the
end zone, just taking it, taking it, But even.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
If they're kicking it at the one, just can't. You
can't hold and put your offense in those types of situations.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
It hurts your whole team.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
They just point blank have to be better on special teams. Yeah,
I mean you're not, you're not. You're losing that battle
and so uh and then you know, a couple of
false starts, one on Za Flowers, one on Nelson Aguilre
just just flinched.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Both were hurtle.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Yeah, an off side penalty on defense, but really it
was offense and special teams.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
It killed them.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
It backed up too many drives and put them into
you know, I think one of those false starts made
a third and four third nine. That's a very different
play at that point. And so those things, the false
starts can't happen. You just got you know, that's the
what Todd Monkin look likes to call the drag the
Ravens offense. And I'm sure we'll probably say this on Thursday.
When you combine the turnovers and the penalties, they had

(28:27):
too much drag. They couldn't overcome it. The Ravens have
overcome a lot this season. They've they've been pretty good
at overcoming this stuff because they're an explosive and just
generally really good offense. But it was too much in
this game for them to overcome. And we want them
with a parachute on their back.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Yeah, when you talk about the point you made at
the outset, which is the unforced airs and h shooting
yourself on the fence of this.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
That's all plays into it exactly.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
The other penalties, sorry to round out the penalties conversation,
is the illegal man downfield.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
I actually have a little.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Bit more sympathy on both of those, and both were
called on Pat McCarey. One was a screenplay to Derrick
Henry that the Steelers defensive lineman just made a good play.
He didn't really take the bait. He got his hands
in the throwing lane. He was rating Lamar's throwing lane.
Lamar kind of had to pump the ball, hold it
a little longer than he wont too, and then float

(29:17):
it over top of him. That just screwed up the
whole Screenplays are all about timing. Everything is about timing,
and the Ravens have been awesome on screenplays all year.
They've really kind of mastered that timing. But it didn't
work on this play. That timing threw off the play
and that's why you had Liman who were too far
up the field because the ball didn't get out on time,

(29:40):
to no fault of Lamars. And then the second one
was also on Pat McCarey. That was an interesting play
because it was third and four. John Harboll said it
was a run play. What I think it was was
he faked the handoff to just sell on the dive
as an RPO or an option play, a fake handoff

(30:01):
to Justice, but TJ. Watt did not barely bite on
that and he came hard charged into the backfield. Lamar
made a great play just to allude getting sacked right
there by TJ Watt, but that forced him back into
the backfield a little bit longer. What I think was
he was supposed to keep that. It was a keeper
run that was going to put him basically one on

(30:21):
one with Minka Fitzpatrick down the hash mark on third
and four and probably an easy chain mover right there.
But TJ Watt just made a great play kind of
forcing Lamar back that allowed Mega Fitzpatrick to close it down.
Lamar probably wouldn't have gotten the first down running, so
he decided I need to throw and make something happen.
To his credit and to Nelson Agular's credit, it was

(30:44):
backyard football seemingly, and Nelson just broke that took it deep.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Lamar made a great throw.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Nelson made it even better catch kind of pirouetting in
mid air to make that ketch. It was a great play, which,
by the way, if he doesn't catch that ball, the
Steelers just declined the penalty. It's fourth down and the
Ravens and that was a touchdown drive. Yeah, So like
that was a huge catch by Nelson Aguilor to make
that catch to give the Ravens a chance to even
convert that on the next play and then go down

(31:09):
and score on the Zay Flowers sixteen yard touchdown pass.
So but Pat McCarey on that plate A, he thinks
it's designed to be a run, which you can't have
him an eligible man downfield on a run. B. He
got tripped up, and I don't think necessarily recognized that,
Oh this went from a run to a pass, So
I need to make sure I'm not going down the field.

(31:30):
And then see he kind of lost awareness, maybe because
of he went to the ground and got back up
or whatever, and just kind of let himself fade up field.
Tyler Linnerbaum, who did not trip recognized this and wisely
backed up. He had the awareness to say, I need
to get back because this is a throw now. Mcarey
did not recognize that and thus did not get back.
On the very next play, Lamar Lamart again had to fade, fade, fade,

(31:56):
fad fade, and tried to and threw across his body
to Justice Hill. Pat mc erry wisely on that when
you can see him. He learned his lesson quickly. On
the very next play, you see Pat kind of getting
up field and then going, oh no, I gotta retreat
any back.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Pedals to get back on the right side.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
It is tough for these offensive linement, especially in this offense,
with the way that the Ravens play and the way
that Lamar Jackson extends plays. You just to hold up
your block and to have great awareness of where you
are on the field. It's a difficult assignment.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yes, it does. The NFL's yeah, that's all sense a lot.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Yeah, it's if you look around the league this scene.
I don't know if it's an official point of emphasis,
but it seems to be something. Just on Monday Night Football,
first play of the game and Nico Collins six of
past seventy seven yards for a touchdown. Boo bringing on
back illegal man downfield. You're seeing it all across the league,
and so I think that that is something that you
just need to be aware of really offensive lineman.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
I know, it's like it's especially when like the one
on Pat on the second round, Pat he's not even
involved in the play at all, on the throat of Nelly,
like he's on the opposite side the field. He's not.
It had no bearing on the play whatsoever. And like
it just feels kind of ticky tack to me. But
I mean, the rules are the rules for a reason,
and so you can't a fault officials for enforcing the

(33:06):
rules as they are written. But it just feels so
ticky tack. And I don't know, I don't know if
there's something that we can do this off season and
be like, guys, let's let's de emphasize this a little bit,
you know what I mean, Like, we don't have to
be so strict about this.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Does anyone get ever really fired up about?

Speaker 3 (33:20):
Man, there's a legal man down field penalty that I'm
glad that took a big play to Nelson Aguiler off
the board because that was that that was really Pat
McCarey strolling two yards upfield was definitely something that had
a major impact on that play.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Now, what it would impact it?

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Like if he de emphasizes his screens, Yes, teams would
just start running screens and blocking down the field like crazy,
you know.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
So that's why it exists. Basically, there's a reason that
it's there, but it is frustrating when a play it
has nothing would do with it.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
Honestly, what I see when I watched the tape more
is wide receivers blocking way too early on on rub
plays and wide receiver bubble screens that I the other
teams run in and they're blocking way too early, and
I don't see those getting flagged. That's what I see
more often than the stray lineman who loses. Yeah, you know,
focus in these half a yard too far down outside

(34:13):
of the box. All right, I'll get off my stool again.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
I'm just I'm in raant mode.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
The film's got me fired up. All right, let's take
a break and when we come back, we're going to
point to the good stuff that happen.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
I'll be feeling a lot better.

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Speaker 2 (35:08):
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Speaker 3 (35:09):
So in terms of what went right in this game,
I think there's there's plenty to like in the defense.
I think probably this game where the Bills game was
the best overall defensive showing of the season, Well.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yeah, I think it's time to give the secondary some love. Right,
They've taken plenty of not love funny heat all season long, exactly,
and so time to love him up a little bit.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
And the Ravens.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Obviously kind of switch things up, particularly at safety and
going with Kyle Honilton in the art areas Washington as
the starters who really played all but one snap. Kyle
left the field for one snap. Those your guys, and
and it was also a role change for Kyle Houlson
because he played deeper safety a lot more. He's used
to playing in the box, playing even dime, playing nickel corner,

(35:53):
but he played kind of deep free safety a lot
more in this game. And it was really cool to
still see him have an impact, you know, body slamming
Naji Harris and he tries to hurdle him, coming up
and making plays in the run game. Kyle Hamilton, you know,
I think he proved, hey, I'm not just this guy

(36:13):
who's this Swis's army knife around the line of scrimmage
and all that stuff, Like I can be this deep
safety too and still have an impact. Because that's really
part of the reason why the Ravens don't play him
back there is because he's so good, he's so physical,
he's he's so good closer to the line of scourage
that you're like, man, I don't want to take that
away from him, even though yeah, he can be rangy

(36:35):
and do all those things on the back end two.
But the Ravens basically because of they've struggled with their
play at safety. He said, all right, as much as
we don't want to take Kyle Hamilton out of some
of these things that he does well near the line
of scourage, we need his help and the deeper secondary.
And hey, he's still made plays coming up, you know,

(36:57):
in support also, so when in scenario. I also really
like the communication that he had with our areas Washington.
You can saw it sometimes on you know, keeping the Steelers,
particularly in the red zone out of out of the
end zone. Saw good coverage by those guys, just like
there weren't busts that you saw them talking, communicating with
each other. I thought that was really encouraging. So I

(37:20):
was happy with what I saw on that change.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
I think you have.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
More depth and over and top line ability right now
if you move Kyle to the role that the Ravens
had him in in this game, because at second or
at cornerback, you can insert Nate Wiggins into the lineup more,
which the Ravens did in this game.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
He played like.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
Almost eighty percent of the snaps. And then you can
move Marlon Humphrey into the slide.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
He's another just physical dog.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
I mean he and he and Kyle play the game
in similar ways.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
Yes, so you have Marlon Humphrey who can play the slote,
and then you can have outside corners as Nate Wiggins,
Brandon Stevens or.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Now that you have more depth that you're outside corner,
now that frees up Marlon basically to play more than
the slot.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
He played a lot more exactly, and so you're basically
subbing in Marlin to the slot position and dropping Kyle
Hamilton back. Safety is where the Ravens are really struggling
more so they've had some issues at cornerback, but more
of the issues have been on the back end at
safety compared to where they are at corner. So you
have the players at corner move Kyle Hamilton back into
that safety spot more traditional role. And it was I

(38:21):
think a good showing from our Darius Washington. And this
is a guy who look he's a former undrafted guy,
battle with injuries and for him to get his chance
here to start, I think this says a lot about
him and I think he's played well. And John Harbot
said this is going to be the plan moving forward.
The plan moving forward is gonna be our Darius Washington.
Kyle Hamilton is the starting safeties. That's what you're looking at.
And the Ravens have rotated between Marcus Williams and Eddie

(38:44):
Jackson this year. Well, it looks like it's going to
be Kyle Hamilton, our Daris Washington. Those are your two
starting safeties.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
And the Ravens gave up five passing plays of fifteen
or more yards, so that's still more than you would
want to see. Two of those were on Brandon Stevens.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
One. You know, it's hard to fault them, but a
beautiful moon ball. It was the.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Classic Russell Wilson moon ball down the sideline to Pickens.
Dropped it in a bucket. Stevens closing coverage has been
the story of Stephen Stephen's season, closing coverage but not
quite there. Yeah, you know, great throw, good catch by Pickens.
And then the second one was on Stevens. It's a
short route, comeback route to Pickens. Now, Pickens is good

(39:26):
with the ball in his hands and he makes a
lot of cornerbacks miss. He made brand Stevens miss on
the tackle attempt and he took it for a seventeen
yard game gain. But most importantly, none of the big
plays fifteen yards or more were on the Ravens safeties
right could be credited to those guys.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Yeah, the other the other.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Another one was a screen pass to Najie that just hit.
And then there are two to their big old blocking
tight end Darnell Washington, who by the way, is eleven
inches taller and eighty four pounds heavier than Ard Arias.
Washington and art Arias had to make the tackle on
both of those yeah, in which Darnel Washington basically both

(40:05):
plays happened after Rokwan Smith was off the field, which,
by the way, this was Roqwan's best game of the season,
I think, And you noticed when he left the field,
the Ravens had problems stopping the run more now. They've
had problems on passes over the middle all season, but
the Steelers hit two right behind where Rocon would have been.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
One.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Malie Harrison kind of got caught in now a man's land,
Darnel Washington got behind him. The other Darnel Washington basically
powered his way past Trenton Sipson's coverage and got open
on the kind of again that level between the linebackers
and the safeties. But I don't looking back on an
old film, I don't think either of those plays are
really the fault of the safeties.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
Yeah, I thought you did notice the difference when Rokwan
Smith wasn't out there. Just a note too on Rokwan Smith.
He wears the green dot, as most people know. When
he's out, Kyle Hamilton takes over that role. So there's
as you talk about Kyle Hamilton take on even more.
It will communication and just a lot on his plate
of being the back end safety and also coming up
at times play at the line of scrimmage and playing

(41:04):
all these different positions. Communication is key. He will take
over that green dot. He did take over the green dot,
and if Rokwan he misses any time here with his
hamstring injury, I would expect that which to be Kyle
moving forward.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
Yeah, but a very positive big takeaway from this game
is improved secondary play and if that continues, if then
this Ravens team is going to be really, really good.
Because I don't think the offensive struggles are going to
be a theme. I don't think that's going to be
a trend. The offense is going to be good. Yeah, okay,

(41:36):
not worried about it. Lamar is going to have many
more game great games this season, and the whole thing
is just going to click once they get rid of
the drag and they're not playing against Steelers, which, by
the way, you just got to the film shows the
Steelers are good. Defense are just point blank they're a
good d They know how and they know how to
defend the Ravens. Well, they've got the Ravens number right now,

(41:57):
and so when the Ravens are not playing the Steelers,
I think this offense will be even better.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Well Trdavious way too, I mean you mentioned I'm sorry, yeah,
we should have mentioned Trevious.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
Wait. I think that's a real bright spot for this defense.
He came in his first game, he ended up growing
his role within the game. In the fourth quarter, he
took over as the outside cornerback. Really it's tapping in
for Brandon Stevens there, and he had a couple of
pass breakups in the end zone and it was in.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Pickens, who, by the way, is really good at making
those play.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
He makes he wins a lot of those one on
one jump balls, and Russell Wilson was given him chances
in testing the new guy and Tredevius White held up well,
So I think that his role is only going to improve.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
I don't think we're gonna I don't think well said
it's going to expand. Yeah, I don't think it's a issue.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
I would be surprised if it's a situation where all
of a sudden he's taking one hundred percent of the snaps.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Like, I don't think that's the case.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
I think it's going to be a shared duties between him,
Stevens and Wiggins basically, and and Marlon will still get
some snaps out there.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
But Marlin's gonna playe hundred percent of snaps. I think
we're close to it. He base almost did in this
game a lot. Yeah, he's and that's going to be
the case.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
I mean, Marlin, Marlin is having He's got five interceptions
on the season, which is his career highest previous.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Career was arguably his best season of his career. Yeah,
he's playing really well. I mean, let's not overlook the
interception in this game, which was a huge player.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
It felt like, honestly, when that interception happened, it felt like,
this is the Marlin interception that gets the Ravens.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Bengals game all over again.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
The interception late against the Bengals and the Ravens first
win against the Bengals.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Yeah, and like in multiple over the Ravens wins, they
need they've needed to play on defense, and it's been
Marlin to come up with the interception he did against
the Bengals. He did it against Tampa. He yeah, he
did it against the Bengals the second game. That turned
that game around. And then it felt like in the
Steelers game, it was like, all right, here you go.
Now we were just waiting for it.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
We got it and came up two point conversion short
of tying it. Obviously, a couple other defensive notes that
I just want to shout out.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
I think some people were surprised by Tavius Robinson got
a lot of snaps. David a Jabo was a healthy
scratch for the third time in four weeks. Tavia's actually,
I think had more snaps than Adafeoway. Part of that
is his physicality, and you that on tape. In this game,
he he tossed, Yeah, he tossed one dude to make

(44:05):
a stop. I thought Tavius had a good game and
he's going to play more snaps against the Steelers just
by nature of what this game is.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
He's a good fit for this rivaler.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
He is a good fit, and I thought Ada Oway
obviously two and a half sacks deserves a shout out.
Made the most of his opportunities, and that's usually with
the DAFE. There's been so many close calls. Man just
didn't quite get him. He was so close. Hey, this
one he paid fewer snaps and he made him count.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
And to see some of.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
His moves really pay off and work. You know, you
hope that this is the start of another run for
him where he can kind of heat up here down
the stretch.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
Well, two weeks ago is Matt a bk who had
the big game. Now it's o way and you hope
that both of that was playing NOI Yeah, it seems
like there's just a different pass rusher. He just kind
of goes off, and they need some of those guys
to double that up. Yeah, I mean, I think it'll
be interesting because the Raves have all three of those guys,
could by the time the season's over, be right, could
all get to double digits potentially potentially, especially if they

(45:03):
have games with two and a half or three sacks
like like Away and that a beakave had.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
So we'll see if any of those guys.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
End up getting a double digit double digits by the
time it's all said and done. One other random note
for me, just going back to the offense very briefly.
I feel not that this would make any difference in
the game, but it makes somewhat of a difference when
you're looking at Lamar Jackson the season.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
I feel like the interception should.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
Be ruled a force tumble at fumble recovery, like Justice
Hill took three steps space and it's hard to tell exactly,
and that's part of the reason that they went with
the interception is because you can't tell exactly when the
ball got stripped and when he hit the ground and
all that. But it feels to me like he took
three steps.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
And then Justice caught the ball first clearly, Oh, we
definitely caught the ball right, and he caught the ball
and then he took three steps, and I feel like
then it should be a forced fumble and you should
take that interception off the books for Lamar.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
It's an interesting case.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
I don't think they're going to change anything, but I
feel like it should be a fumble, not an interception.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
I think I think you make a fair point. I mean, look,
Lamar has been awesome at taking care of the ball
this year. That's been one of his strengths of the season.
I mean that interception isn't on Lamar.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
It was great.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
It was a great throw. Yeah, great throw. Weill were out,
great throw. The other one, there's another one that bounced
off Bateman's hands. I think it was throw was a
little bit behind him, bounced off Bateman's hands. Yeah, he's
only throwing three picks this year. What was the other one?

Speaker 2 (46:29):
I don't even remember what it was Andrews. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
And then there's one that bounced off Andrews. Thank you
very much, Brayson. Yeah, good memory. Yeah, one that went
off Andrews's hands. Again, the throw wasn't perfectly a little outside,
tough catch, but none of those like you look at
the Russell Wilson interception. That was one hundred percent of
Russell Wilson, just a bad, bad decision. Lamar has not
had this yeah on him.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
And on this play, maybe there wasn't a full time element.
I mean that hit play like he's going to the ground.
He may have gotten three feet down by it really quick.
So is there a time element?

Speaker 2 (47:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
Again, it doesn't make any difference in the game. But
just as you're looking at Lamar Jackson the season a
whole want the SaaS correction there.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Hey, I'm I'm down with it. I'm down with it all.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
I want to read one email here.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
This comes to us from Marcellus Ross, who says, hey, fellas,
I've noticed a pattern with makes big wins at the
end of the podcast. The more obnoxious the big win
is the worst we play. I know we have played
like a raven that mentality. Can we keep that mindset
in mind during the end of the podcast.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Well, obnoxious is the key word here, just a good
adjective for me in general. I agree, Marcellas, you agree,
I agree, I agree. I think it's time it's time
to retire the.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Really wait, I do. I think it's time.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
You know, it's had a good run. It's had a
good run. All good things have to come to an end.
Good things in air quotes depending on you know, something
like the big wins.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Some people don't clearly.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
So we were men men of the people, and we
listen to our lounge listeners, and I think it's time
to retire the big win.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Well, I have thought for a while.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
Like if you do the big win for every single game, like,
is there a big win?

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Like they're all I've tried to scale it.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
You know, some are bigger than others, you know, like
if it were the Super Bowl, I mean I'd just
be horse.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
I'd have no voice at the.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
End of that. So, like I've tried to kind of
do that, but it's hard every end. The Ravens have
played a lot of big games this year. Gosh, back
on our schedule. I mean, honestly, those the losses to
the Raiders and the Browns, that's what it really hurts.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
It hurts those hurt.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
But but anyway, back to the point, it's retired. No
more big win.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
You saw the riding on the Wall. You took a good, long,
hard It's.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
A film review of myself. Sometimes you got to go
back to the film. You gotta be a harsh critic
of yourself. You gotta look in the mirror.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
All good things coming. I'm looking in the mirror.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
It's time to retire, all right, good run good We'll
put the jersey up on the rafters as always, you
can email us at the Lounge at Ravens NFL dot net.
We're going to get Marcello's shirt there for that email,
and you can always email us send us your emails.
If we read your email on the air, we're going
to make sure that we send a Lounge T shirt
your way.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Thank you so much for listening. We'll be back with
you again later this week.