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Labs and Tom talk about backs on backers, the script for today’s practice, and welcome Vince Williams to the show.
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
Tom up from n and Bob Labriola on the Training
Camp Report. Steelers twenty twenty five Training Camp practice Today
at one fifty five. The pads will be back on
and the vets that missed yesterday's practice should all be
participating today, Labs. Even though we had some people missing
out on yesterday's practice, we did see the revenge of
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the running backs when it comes to the backs on
backer's drill. I thought we could spend the next couple
of minutes going over how that went. And let's start
with Caleb Johnson, who kind of had his introduction to
the drill go sideways for him a little bit in
his first rendition of it during the first padded practice
earlier this week. But it looks like he did a
real good job of getting back at Malie Harrison yesterday.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Yeah, you know, in the certainly in the first backs
on backers, MALIEK. Harrison I was, you know, matched up
against Caleb Johnson and went three and oh in the
in one you know, one set because the first time,
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you know, Malie Harrison won and then okay, get a
rematch right then, and then Malie Harrison won that, and
then I don't know if Caleb Johnson was lobbying Mike
Tomlin or maybe was the running backs coach or Eddie
Faulkner or whatever, but they did it a third time
and League Harrison won that as well. So but then
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you know, again and in fairness, and I've tried to
explain this, it's really really weighted. That version of the
drill is really weighted heavily towards the defense because you know,
the running back or tight end whoever happens to be
in there blocking cannot cut the player and there's no
even threat of him doing that. So you know, the
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the guy who's rushing, he's impervious to anything that the
the offensive player can really do. The guy can either
stand in there and try and you know, catch the
runaway train. I don't know what else there is. So
so then they switched the drill around, and it's every
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bit has weighted, in my opinion, towards the offense, because
the situation is this. The offensive player is lined up
in the backfield or you know, kind of slightly off
the line of scrimmage, and the defender is you know,
lined up on his side of the line of scrimmage.
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There's the whole field is open. There's no pressure on
the passer. Not only is there no pressure on the passer,
but there are not even any other players with their
hands up. So the quarterback has all time to throw
and he doesn't have to worry about, you know, getting
in through any windows or into any any of that
stuff between arms or and so you're gonna cover a
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guy all over the field. You can only and there
were NFL officials there too, so you can't get your
hands on him more than five yards beyond the line
of beyond the line of scrimmage. So, yes, Caleb Johnson
did much better when it was the passing version of
the drill, as I expected and really as he should have,
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even though again we've talked about this many times him
coming from Iowa, not a college program that was really
evolved in the passing game. His last couple of years there,
they didn't really attempt a lot of passes and weren't
really good at it when they did. But still, Caleb
Johnson can catch the ball. He can catch the ball
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in his hands away from his body like receivers have
to do most of the time. And you know, Malie
Harrison is a guy who he's not Peyton Wilson. And
I'm sure we'll get into Peyton Wilson here. He had
some problems too in this drill. Ryan Chazier had problems
in this drill. It's not an easy drill for inside linebackers.
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It just is not.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
No, And I like how Tomlin kind of set this up.
Mike Tomlin set this up on purpose where he had
Caleb Johnson get the revenge on Malie Harrison, and then
he had Kenneth Gainwell get the revenge on Peyton Wilson,
who you mentioned. And Peyton Wilson kind of gave Gainwell
all he could handle in that first iteration of this
when it was you know, the running backs at the disadvantage,
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and now Kenneth Gainwell was able to pay that back
to Wilson. As you noted in your practice report, Wilson
did get his hands on one ball when it came
against the rep on Gainwell, but the flag came out
of the officials pocket. So really you have to give
that to Gainwell too.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
It's right. And you know, I always thought when Mike
Tomlin was talking about, you know, backs on backers before
it had happened, even the first time he mentioned that
he was looking forward to this matchup between Kenneth Gainwell
and Peyton Wilson, and a lot of people assumed that
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he meant, you know, the blocking version of it, and
I automatically assumed the other because you know, Ken Gainwell
may end up being a third down back and you
know there are gonna be some pass protection responsibilities for him,
no doubt, but his forte as a third downback is
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going to be the problems he poses to the defense
as a receiver. You know, his his history in the
league is as you know, it is as kind of
as a receiver. I mean Gainwell in his seasons with
the Eagles. I'm looking for his stats here as well
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as I'm talking, you know, in four seasons with the Eagles. Uh,
he caught one hundred and thirty passes I think for.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Three hundred and seventy one yards down sixty six games.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yes, that's that's what he brings. That's the that's what
he adds to the offense. Thank you for that too,
by the way, Tom, that's.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
What it was, really your work that I was reading
so well.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
That's fine. I couldn't I couldn't find it. I was
looking through the copy here and I couldn't find it quickly.
Thank you for helping me. You know, teamwork even we
have to have car not just on the field, it's
in the booth sometimes too.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
But anyway, that's those kinds of numbers are what Kenneth
Gainwell contributes to the offense as a third down back
most often. And those kind of statistics are what Kenneth
Gainwell uh presents to the defense as a challenge most often.
And you know, if you're looking at you know, third
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and medium to short, you know the defense is going
to have to be on him close the whole time.
And as we were just talking about the difficulty in
covering guys like that, because as you mentioned, you get
your hand on the ball out comes the flag, you
can't hold, you can't you know, have your hands on
him even beyond five yards of the line of scrimmage.
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And if it's a you know, third and three, four
to six situation, that the defender has to be playing
the stick and so and that's what Kenneth Gainwell is
running or the running back whoever is running the pattern
too toward. So you know, NFL officials are told, you know,
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not to allow that kind of unnecessary hand fighting or
redirecting of the receiver or you know, any of that
kind of stuff. It's a very difficult assignment for a defender.
And if you have a player on offense who is
good at his version of that matchup, you have yourself
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a real weapon possession downs, maintaining possession, you don't have
to punt. You can get to more things in your
offense if you have the ball. So yeah, I think
I won't call Kenneth Gainwell an underrated acquisition excuse me
this offseason, but maybe it's going to be so far
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a little bit underrated.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
It is a drill that is skewed in the offense's
favorite But you did note that the defensive standout with
safety Quindel Johnson broke up a couple passes to Connor
Heyward and actually intercepted a pass intended for tight end
Kevin Folsch.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Yes, and again when we were talking in the previous
segment the last hour about James Pierre, when you're making interceptions,
we're getting your hands on the football cleanly. Because again,
the NFL officials were here and they were I can
guarantee you Mike Tomlin said to them, do not be
afraid to throw the flags, you know. Rather they were
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more flag happy than not in these situations because you're
trying to emphasize to these guys what they need to
do to play clean. So when a guy breaks up
a couple of passes and has an interception in a
backs on backers past drill, good for him.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Certainly, you could label Darnel Washington as a star of
twenty twenty five Steelers training camp, and he has been
putting his imprint all over the backs on backers in
the past protection version of the drill. He caught up
with the media following practice yesterday. Let's take a listen
to what tight end Darnell Washington had to say.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Darnold, you played in this offense for a year, but
obviously things are a little bit different.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
Johnny added to the room. What do you like about.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
This year's offense as opposed to maybe what what.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
Do you guys ring out there last year?
Speaker 4 (10:33):
I feel like, you know, just added Johnald to the
room at least our room. You know, it did bring
a new flavor to the room. So you know, you know,
everybody no move. You know, Connor he got you know,
a little wiggy guy. I'm more like, no bigger whatever.
And Johnny, you know, he's been a different season there
too the road. So I feel like that not only
helped our room, but you know they'll offer up the
whole he'd been with Art, so you know, he kind
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of knows, you know, things like that. We're an old
corperson able to go, you know, anything than we can.
So I feel like, you know, adding people to our
roster just a plus. Take a couple of big catches today.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
How much more improved you like your past catching is
and how much more in love you know that you
are in your ro sharing work.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Uh, just speaking of about today, you know, I feel
like just me as the person you know, improved and
you know in that area, I feel like that was
just like the biggest question, you know, not even just
last season, but just.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Coming out of the ground.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
You know, everybody was just alway, he's a blocking tight end.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
He was blocking tight end. But you know, I never
really really.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Had a chance to showcase my pass catching or you know.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Just league in the ball.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
So I feel like that just an area that I
really have to continue to improve it in and keep
you know, displaying it out here on the practice field,
so it shows up on the Sundays, well, you know,
whenever the game he plays.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Though, I said, do you feel like you've always done
a good pass catching that's something that you haven't gotten
to show or if you really tried to improve that area.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Personally, I feel like I've always been a good pass catcher,
you know, just going back to like it's been some
years now, but if I'm back to high school, you know,
I never block.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
You know, I was a receiver.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
In high school and you know, just transition to tight
end college and you know that's when I just start
learning the block was college. So I feel like I always,
you know, able to catch the ball. It's just kind
of hard to showcase it when you're very good at
something else. And you know, you got other guys in
a room who is excellent in that area. So you know,
I mean I don't complain though, you know, I just
embraced my role and happened to do this.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Were you like the biggest guy on the field even
as a wide receiver, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
For sure, you turn on the tail.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
I'm still the biggest dude on the field.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
During Mini camp, I asked you about your role in
the offense to you to the Artis Smith asking a
lot more of you now that you've had like like
nine practices.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
So how do you feel.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
About the the expanded role that you're getting this year
and how that fits in with Aaron Rodgers and everyone else.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Yeah, you know, just with my role.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
You know, just today, like as she mentioned, she saw,
you know, me catching a little bit more balls today,
and you know, just with this offense, I just feel
like my roles is just a be there by day
just kind of I just gotta keep showing it and
keep this place in it, displaying it and uh things
like that. So it's just just pretty much to do
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what I can and just get a bigger role, you know,
center or or something.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Just talking about your second nature, you want to be
a second nature Q.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
What do you say what people ask a question?
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Cause this guy actually be an NFL tackle, especially with
what you've been doing.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Out here and some of these girls you sall.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I mean, if someone that like, I feel like if
you said the past catching is maybe the biggest question
about you.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
The second biggest question this might be could this guy.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Actually be a thing in the NFLF he wanted to be?
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Parsonally, I feel like I can, you know, but uh,
right now, you know I went tight end, So I'm
gonna focus on that. But you know, later on down
the road or you know, any time in the road,
or if they asked for me to do that, you know,
I'm gonna show it to my best ability. I personally,
you know, I'm gonna do with lots of confidence. So
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I feel like I can if I wanted to.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
I'm gonna see you said right now, how are you
looking at like a second career at some point?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
You so you're forty doing that?
Speaker 6 (14:04):
But I mean I don't ever talking of before.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
But I mean, I don't know what guy you know,
got to play for me?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
But after right now, you know.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Holding on the tight end roll until I can't or
whenever my times though, because so you're not resistant to
the idea necessarily, or you're not, like I guess, offended.
People say that, no, not at all. You know, personally me,
I'm over. I'm an open minded dude. So if Doctor
Do comes in hiding day life, football standpoint, relationship standpoint,
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I'm just open minded dude. You know, I didn't take criticism.
I'm about to take anything like that. I see both
sides of every story. Yeah, that's how I like.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
So now I'm kind of going off of all of that.
Just how much fun with Stacks on Doctor five times?
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Yeah, for sure, that's like probably belining the fun of
drill that we probably do, just because the energy, the
mixed emotions, uh, the competitive list of everybody out there,
even though just even the running backs and just seeing
them doing it back to back and back, and even
when they lose, they get back up, say one.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
More time, one more time.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
So just seeing that excites me, you know, get my
blood flown a little bit. And I mean I'm the
same way if I lose a rep, I'm ana you know,
I want to actually go again and keep going into
you know, I could you know obviously win, but.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
You want every time though, so so.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
The biggest guy.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
But I'm the super biggest guys.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
But you learn years when you're seeing game five, five
or six one linebacker on me, you know how to
have you learned?
Speaker 6 (15:34):
Ivolved under use your side?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I would makes sense.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Yeah, I feel like I'm still learning.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
I know today I went against Uh, I say get
one to one competition, they do a flag off of
the pr Uh. It's just a second nature, you know,
Like I didn't think I fully extended, but it's just
like my body is and I'm probably just you know,
just more bigger. So maybe I probably did mump up
a little bit to me, but at him, it's like,
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you know, a lot more for us, less of it.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
And all that flame.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Steelers tight end Darnell Washington. Following practice yesterday, when Labs
and I come back, we'll talk a little bit more
about Kenny g and some of the impact he has,
and we'll hear from him as well. And Labs has
the practice script for today's practice, which is just about
forty minutes away, so a lot more still to get to.
Vince Williams is also going to join us to close
things out today on the Training Camp Report, on Fox
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Speaker 2 (17:22):
Labs. Don't you think this would just sound so great
at Akroscher Stadium every time Kenneth gainwell, Kenny g gets
in the end zone, I think the crowd would go nuts.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Well, you know, I just looked it up. And the
guy playing the saxophone there he is at Kenneth too.
Oh my god, Pet Kenneth. I'm gonna take a shot
at his last name, gorlic. Seems to me how you
would pronounce it, but yeah, or maybe who knows. Steelers
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play some sometimes music during walkthroughs and stuff. Maybe they
could every time he wins a rep and backs on
backers pass. They could play that then too. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I mean, if this thing gets enough legs too. I mean,
I have to imagine Kenny G's pretty gettable, Labs, and
you might be able to have him up on that
jumbo tron in the stadium actually playing it live.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
You might be surprised how ungettable musicians are since the
pandemic in terms of, you know, letting their stuff be used.
But who knows. You know, Hey, you're the one with
all the connections in the music cars, right, So have
at it, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I'll give it my best shot. We'll get to Kenny
G and hear from him in just a little bit.
I have one more angle I want to throw by
Labs too when it comes to him. But before we do,
you have your practice script for today in hand. Why
don't we let everybody know what they can expect to
see at Steelers practice, if they're there or if they're
watching on Steelers dot com.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Yeah. First thing I always check is the estimated length
of the session. So we're looking at two minutes and
excuse me, two hours and fifty teen minutes on the
field today. You know, seven shots as usual, the competition period,
there is a there is going to be a wide
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receiver defensive back. Part of it having to do with
releases off the line of scrimmage. So this is a
lot of times what I would refer to as little
man backs on backers. The defensive backs are trying to
impede the wide receivers getting off the line of scrimmage.
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The receivers are trying to escape any kind of chucking
on the line of scrimmage. And then there's also this
first time so far this camp tight ends against outside
linebackers and run blocking. So let me just say this,
I pity the man who's going up against Darnel Washington
in that one. Then there's a period of tackle football
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team run as it's known. Then there's other stuff, and
then at the end, as I said, goal line it
is seven plays. They put the ball at the one
and a half yard line. It's not going to be
seven plays for one unit. I mean, you're not gonna
get seven cracks at it. I'm sure they'll be rotating
units in and out. And we talked about Ken wizen
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Hunt's philosophy that one summer, where he believed it was
more important to the team to establish because this was
after the Tommy Maddocks mistake had been concluded that he
needed to be physical on offense and Ken wizen Hunt's
philosophy was scoring a touchdown on a play action pass
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and in August, drill at training camp is not as
important to the team their mindset and their physical development
as instilling that we will play physical down here and
you need to do what is necessary from a physical
stand point to get that ball into the end zone.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
And as you mentioned, it's family day, so a little
extra juice perhaps running through the veins of the players
to impress in front of their family and their kids.
Kenneth Gainwell before we hear from him LABS, we talked
about how he can be so versatile in the passing
game and out of the backfield, and Mike Tomlin even
said that yesterday quote. He's good in the backfield, he's
good coming out of the backfield. He's a good route runner,
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he's a good outside zone runner. He's got a well
rounded game, and that's one of the reasons why we
were excited about acquiring him. Yeah, Mike Tomlin and the
Steelers got an up close look at how good Gainwell
is last year. In that Philadelphia game, he was a
big impact for the Eagles. I'm glad that that's going
to be on the Steelers sideline of things. Now. Another
angle though, when it comes to his impact I think,
is we could see him, I think potentially get that
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kick return job. It looks like they might be looking
at running backs to fill that void now that Cordero
Patterson's gone, and I just think that Gamewell is somebody
that could make some plays for you there.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Yeah, And you know, I never really have a feel
for the kickoff rule until I see it in some games,
But I do believe that, you know, running backs would
be good at kickoff returns because you know the coverage
the defense is coming kind of in a line as
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a group. It's not as staggered as it would be
on a punt. When you're returning a punt, you have
the gunners that you have to get away from, and
then usually there's another wave coming at you and it's
separated sometimes by you know, I was you know a
significant number of yards. Kickoff return is more about I
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think catching the ball, hitting a seam created by the blocking,
and then just you know, going as fast as you
can for as long as you can. There's not a
lot of joking, I don't think going on there. And
a lot of times that's the way running backs handle it.
You know, you take the hand off, you find a
hole in the line of scrimmage and then pile you hit,
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you hit it and then you know, you see how
far you can get once that's over.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Kenneth gane Well talked to the media following practice yesterday.
Let's hear from Kenny G.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Thanks.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I love the drill.
Speaker 7 (23:17):
I love I love competing. That's my that's my that's
my my go to you know, I love to see
what other guys can bring to.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
The table to it.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
Also, you know it just get to show, you know
what the coach of what we can do, you know,
and trusting us.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
It got shribute there a couple of times. It's not
fun though for you guys.
Speaker 7 (23:33):
Yes it's fun, but you know we got also at
the same time remember to take care of each other.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
Had up all the offense you're lining up in the backfield,
flit out wide. It's a lot what what's that?
Speaker 3 (23:42):
What's that? Being up?
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Like, you're getting to know all those differ roads in
this offense with arts and rock.
Speaker 7 (23:47):
Yeah, that's a that's a cool piece that that we're doing.
And I'm embracing it. I'm taking it all in. But
at the same time, you know, just showing it to
a Rod and the coach Smith about and what I
can do? You know, okay outside in the backfield. You know,
it's just a great piece.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
How much decoration of town does it take to learn
all those different roles cause I mean we're talking about
footwork to be different defensive backs and linebackers and different spots.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
Yeah, it take time. I mean, these walkthroughs are very important,
So I mean you gotta attack the walk through the
same way you're attacking the game.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
But they found here. Did you know much about Arthur
Smith and today?
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Did he define what how he wanted to use you?
And was a part of why you came up?
Speaker 7 (24:28):
When I first signed here, I didn't know anything, you know. Uh,
But you know, as as time been growing on me
and me being here, you know, it's it's actually been
a good a good piece of like him using it.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Chatting out and Peyton was telling us about your guys
one on one matchups. How would you describe how.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
That's how you're being challenged by that and now he's
holding up on it.
Speaker 7 (24:49):
I think it's a I think it's a great challenge,
you know, having a great linebacker that can cover real
good And that's me challenging myself too. Also, you know
that can go against other backs in the league that
can you know, challenge, you know, go one on one against.
So I'm embracing that challenge with with him, and I'm
just gonna continue to get him better each and every
day and me get better.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Too, Kenny.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
Mike Tomlin had told us a little while ago from
freshed with your feel for rob running, how long has
that been a.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
Strength when you feel like I've been doing this since
I was seven, you know, running routes, So I mean
for a while, yeah, so a while. So, I mean,
I mean it's just it's just something that you know,
I get to display in the in the NFL, you know,
and and on a different on a different level.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
Does it work more because of what you do or
because you're able to size up.
Speaker 7 (25:35):
The guy covering you into I think it's my knowledge
of the game, you know, and you know, annoying defenses
and knowing what backage leverage and stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
I had a lot of really competitive reps with Peyton Wilsons.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
What stands out from him from like a coverage standpoint.
You don't only see that people white down.
Speaker 7 (25:50):
Yeah, I mean Peyton is Payton is not a big
body type of linebacker, and he can run fast, you know,
just getting on the side of him, just knowing his
speed and knowing his temple the way I need to
approach him on certain things, and it's just a it's
a great challenge.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
When I talked to Caleb, asked him, like if he's
trying to learn from you all different, he said, like, Nah,
he got that because he's just just like he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Know how to run those routes.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
What have you seen out of the rookie as far
as him adapting and how you gots how people have
challenged him.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
I love the way carrying itself right now. You know,
he's he's doing a great job at that. And I
think he just needs to continue to do his job
each and every day, come here and stay focused on
his on the small details, but just not let the
outside noise get to him and him just keep working.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
You know it.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
He's a rookie.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
He gotta continue to learn each and every day. So
I mean, he gotta just keep going.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Steelers running back Kenneth Gainwell speaking with the media. When
Labs and I come back, we will be joined by
former Steelers linebacker Vince Williams. He's hanging around practice today.
Can't wait for Vince to jump on. It's the Training
Camp Report on Fox Sports Pittsburgh nine seventy AM and
the Steelers Audio.
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Speaker 2 (27:30):
Out from me and Bob Labriola on the Training Camp Report.
Always a treat to end each of our shows up
at camp, or most of our shows up at camp
with a former Steeler who's hanging around camp practice for
the day. And today it's former inside linebacker Vince Williams,
who's spent eight years with the Steelers, Vince, thanks so
much for hanging out with us for the next couple
of minutes.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
Oh, no problem. Man's great for you guys to have
me have excited to be down here.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Okay, Vince, let's get started with this. Twenty thirteen was
the first time I imagine you ever saw this camp. You
came here as a rookie sixth round pick from Florida State.
What did you think of the campus when you first
got to look at it and what was your mindset
in terms of trying to make an NFL roster.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
Oh man, it's a beautiful campus. Man. I'm happy they
got the nuns on campus because I came in here
to termin to kill and I got a lot of you.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
So what was it like living in Rooney Hall for
the summer?
Speaker 6 (28:23):
Oh man, it was great.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Man.
Speaker 6 (28:24):
You get to spend all this time with your teammates.
I think La Trobe is a beautiful place to actually
jail together. A lot of these guys don't do destination
camps anyn More like what I say, a lot of
these guys, I mean a lot of NFL teams don't
do destination camps. But I think in today's society, with
all those social media and distractions. It's one of the
only true times that you get a chance to jail
together as a team before you go on. You got
to take on that grueling season.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
So a lot of times Mike Tomlin will arrange suitep
mates in the dormitory. This year, for example, he put
Aaron Rodgers and DK Metcalf together. Who were you with
and how did the veterans react the rookies?
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Then, Oh, man, we had an amazing group of vats.
I don't even I think Terrence Garvin was my first
room mate, and it's crazy because we're still really close
friends to this day. But we had an amazing group
of vats. I remember carrying like thirteen hell mints a
day up the hill and all the type of show
to pass and just getting gator rads and everything. It
was good, man, because it helps you build like a
(29:21):
level of humility, and the more you do for the vets,
the more they'll look out for you and the more
they'll give you information.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
So when you were a rookie, did you ever play
the numbers game in terms of, you know, how many
guys were competing for a certain number of spots and
trying to figure out where you landed in the pecking
order or did you just take it day by day,
keep your head done and let that take care of itself.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
Oh absolutely not. Man. I was supremely confident in my
own ability. I felt like everybody else out here that
wasn't a pencil theyn it started was chasing me.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Okay. So special teams are always very important. The special
teams coach was in his first year in two thousand
and thirteen. He's still the special teams coach now, Danny Smith.
What was he like as a coach and what did
he emphasize?
Speaker 6 (30:07):
I think Danny Smith was the exact same way when
I first came in, although he did you a little
bit more gun back then, but he was very intense.
He was very detailed, and he was very demanding. And
I think that's really good for a young guy to
come into the NFL and the first guy you get
introduced to as a low round draft pick, as a
guy like Danny Smith. I think that type of hardening
and tough love help propel me for the rest of
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my career. So was there a Do you think there
was a point at any during the summer, either a
training camp or maybe either a preseason game where it
hit you. You said you were confident, but it hit you, Hey,
I belong here, I can do this. This was this day,
our first family day. We had goal line in short
(30:48):
yardage and I remember stoning Isaac redman on the goal
line and they called him red zone redman, and I
remember a couple plays back to back, I stoned him
on the goal line and went on one tackles and
that was when I was like, I have a role
and I have a spot here in this organization.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
So okay, the day that the roster was cut the
fifty three, you were a rookie, What was that like
for you? When did you know officially you were on
the team? And then how did they get that information
to you? Oh that's a very interesting story.
Speaker 6 (31:17):
Actually, I cut my cell phone off and me and
Jarvis Jones left and we went car shopping for Jarvis Jones.
And I was like, man, if I get cut, I'm
not finding out to tomorrow. So I cut my phone
off for the entire day. And they actually sent Jack
Kearney out to come find me, and they were contacting Jarvis,
and obviously Jarvis wasn't telling them that I was with him,
but somebody had seen us and they were like, we've
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seen Vince. He just was in a car dealership and
Jack came over to the car dealership.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
He was like, what are you doing, Vince?
Speaker 6 (31:43):
Where's your phone out on? I'm like, Jack, if y'all
cut me, I'm finding out tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
He's like, you didn't get cut. You made the team.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
They're trying to call you cut your phone back on.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
So during your rookie season, you started eleven games at
inside linebacker. How did you become I'm a starter? And
what do you remember anything about your first NFL start?
Speaker 6 (32:04):
Larry Foote actually went down with a really bad tricep
injury and then put him out for the rest of
the season. And I had developed such a camaraderie with
my veterans by being just a solid rookie. And I
also understood both inside linebacker positions that they had so
much confidence in me as a veteran defense that they
actually went to Dick Lebow and vouched for me and
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was like, Vince is ready to go, put him in
right now. And that's how I got my first start.
So what do you remember about that game? I remember
that it was really fast. It was much different than
the preseason. I was like, man, this is super fast,
Like the intensity's picked up from the preseason. But as
I started playing more, just got more comfortable to me,
and I was like, man, I really do belong out here,
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Like I can really do this.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
I can dominate. So you played eight years. You appeared
in one hundred and twenty one games, sixty nine starts.
In those games, you had four hundred and seventy nine tackles,
fifty tackles for lost, twenty and a half sacks, and
forty five hits on the quarterback. Okay, those are your stats,
But how would you describe yourself as a player.
Speaker 6 (33:06):
I just think I'm a stealer. I think, through in
and throughout, to to my blood and my bones, I'm
just a Pittsburgh stealer. Man. I'm so gracious for this
opportunity to be able to play for such a story franchise.
I don't think I ever could have played or had
the level of success I had in football if I
played for any other franchise.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Okay, we'll get you out of here on this. Vince,
you played inside linebacker in the NFL. Watching the game
now as it's played, how it's legislated in terms of
the officiating. How has the position of inside linebacker changed? Oh?
Speaker 6 (33:39):
Man, it's completely changed.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Now.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
When I look at these guys, they're so athletic, they're
so fast, they move in space so well. I think
the evolution of the game is just a beautiful thing.
I think it should be more spread out, it should
be more athletic and more fast paced. And I love it.
I enjoy watching them. Man, I wish I could run
like that.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Vince, thanks so much for this time. It was awesome.
Enjoy practice today.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
Oh thank you guys for having me anytime.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
That's there was inside linebacker Vince Williams eight years with
the Black and Gold. It's great having him up on
campus again today. Labs have got a few more minutes
here to close out the show. Pads are coming back
on today. Do you expect maybe a little bit of
an increase in intensity even beyond the families being there,
just maybe because you got that game now on the
horizon And we talked about this yesterday on the show.
(34:25):
Guys that are second, third, fourth on the depth chart,
they got to start making some splashes so they can
get some playing time.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Yeah, I mean it's going to be an interesting day.
I think again, it's where it falls more than that.
It's family days. Specifically, you're coming off a day when
you weren't in pads, and then tomorrow you're looking forward
to a day off, and you know, I won't say
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it's starting to get real, because it has been real
for a long time, But now that we're into the
preseason game part of this process, I think that guys
not only you want to show them show themselves well
in these games, but I think they're also getting a
little antsy to go against somebody else, a guy in
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a different jersey, those kinds of things. I mean, if
you're whatever, whatever position you play from line or receiver,
running backs and linebackers, receivers and defensive backs, a lot
of the times you're lining up against the same people
and you know you those matchups, you know the familiarity.
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They say familiarity breeds contempt, and I would imagine in
a lot of instances it does, but there's also a
comfort that could develop. You know, if you're covering someone,
you have come to know what they do well and
what they don't. If you're running a route against someone,
it's the same way. You know, if you're blocking someone
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or pass rushing against someone, you know, all of those
kinds of things. You know, we just heard Vince Williams
talking about when I asked him about his first start
and he said, wow, it was a lot faster. Well,
this is training camp, you know, preseason is is another
speed and then as Vince explained, then there's another speed
after that. And for some of the new guys, you
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want to as evaluators, as coaches, you want to see
if it's what they the way they call it determain
it is. Is it too big for them? You know?
How do they react when stressful situations arise in a
in a in a game atmosphere as opposed to a
practice atmosphere. You know, some of the adversity that they
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have faced here a training camp, you know, it started
with the weather, the rain, you know, those kinds of things.
Now it might be the some of the adversity comes
from the dog days of sumwhere as Mike Tomlan referred
to with this you know, lather, rinse, repeat kind of
life that you have to live at training camp. But
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you know, now, but what happens to them as individuals
and maybe as a position group, and then maybe also
as a unit. What happens when there's adversity, Uh say,
if you're on offense, you know, you get a bad
call or some bad field position, you know, those kind
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of things. If it's defense, you know, sudden change turnover,
you have to take the field that you know and
defend the goal line you're on your own ten yard
line or something, those kinds of things. How do how
do players react to that? You know, do they I
don't know, what's the look in their eye? Like? You know,
(37:57):
those kinds of things. These are these are a lot
of the shoes I think that are going to crop up.
And that's part of the evaluation process.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
And you mentioned how tomorrow is an off day for
the players. You know, that's another thing that Tomlin likes
to keep an eye Mike Tomlin likes to keep an
eye on it is dangling that carrot out there right.
Are these guys going to give you a full focused
practice today with that, you know, not only an off
day tomorrow on the horizon labs, but maybe a nice
dinner at home with your wife and kids tonight, a
sleep in your own bed. I mean, there's a lot
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of things that are attractive after we get to business
and that concludes around you know, i'd say a little
after four today. So I mean it's a big thing
for Mike Tomlin to see the focus level where it
needs to be, with perhaps some things that they might
be more interested in doing on the horizon.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Yeah, and you know, and then coming back here on Monday, right, yeah, right,
or no on Tuesday, oh right, but I mean back
on the field. Correct, What what's that like for you?
I mean, I'm not I don't know that there would
be a lot of punishment drills. I'm not suggesting any
of that kind of high school stuff. But I'm sure
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that when they come back, there will be a viewing
of this practice video, either in units, in positions, you
know as positions, or you know, a team situation. And
you know, sometimes truth hurts, as they say.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Well, the truth hurts for me that I won't be
able to talk to you tomorrow because we won't be
having a training camp report. Hope that you'll be able
to survive without me.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Yeah, control your disappointment. You're doing a real good job
of it so far.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
I will try my best. We have no practice, we
have no training camp report tomorrow. You still have one
more practice though, to get through today. It starts in
just a few minutes. Wes Euler and Matt Williams are
going to take over and guide you through that with
the Drive for Labs. Tom thanks as always for listening,
Thanks for Vince Williams for joining us. We will bet
(40:00):
at noon on Tuesday recapping everything that happened in today's
padded practice. It's the Training Camp Report on Fox Sports
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
Tom up from n and Bob Labriola on the Training
Camp Report. Steelers twenty twenty five Training Camp practice Today
at one fifty five. The pads will be back on
and the vets that missed yesterday's practice should all be
participating today, Labs. Even though we had some people missing
out on yesterday's practice, we did see the revenge of
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the running backs when it comes to the backs on
backer's drill. I thought we could spend the next couple
of minutes going over how that went. And let's start
with Caleb Johnson, who kind of had his introduction to
the drill go sideways for him a little bit in
his first rendition of it during the first padded practice
earlier this week. But it looks like he did a
real good job of getting back at Malie Harrison yesterday.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Yeah, you know, in the certainly in the first backs
on backers, MALIEK. Harrison I was, you know, matched up
against Caleb Johnson and went three and oh in the
in one you know, one set because the first time,
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you know, Malie Harrison won and then okay, get a
rematch right then, and then Malie Harrison won that, and
then I don't know if Caleb Johnson was lobbying Mike
Tomlin or maybe was the running backs coach or Eddie
Faulkner or whatever, but they did it a third time
and League Harrison won that as well. So but then
(02:04):
you know, again and in fairness, and I've tried to
explain this, it's really really weighted. That version of the
drill is really weighted heavily towards the defense because you know,
the running back or tight end whoever happens to be
in there blocking cannot cut the player and there's no
even threat of him doing that. So you know, the
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the guy who's rushing, he's impervious to anything that the
the offensive player can really do. The guy can either
stand in there and try and you know, catch the
runaway train. I don't know what else there is. So
so then they switched the drill around, and it's every
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bit has weighted, in my opinion, towards the offense, because
the situation is this. The offensive player is lined up
in the backfield or you know, kind of slightly off
the line of scrimmage, and the defender is you know,
lined up on his side of the line of scrimmage.
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There's the whole field is open. There's no pressure on
the passer. Not only is there no pressure on the passer,
but there are not even any other players with their
hands up. So the quarterback has all time to throw
and he doesn't have to worry about, you know, getting
in through any windows or into any any of that
stuff between arms or and so you're gonna cover a
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guy all over the field. You can only and there
were NFL officials there too, so you can't get your
hands on him more than five yards beyond the line
of beyond the line of scrimmage. So, yes, Caleb Johnson
did much better when it was the passing version of
the drill, as I expected and really as he should have,
(04:00):
even though again we've talked about this many times him
coming from Iowa, not a college program that was really
evolved in the passing game. His last couple of years there,
they didn't really attempt a lot of passes and weren't
really good at it when they did. But still, Caleb
Johnson can catch the ball. He can catch the ball
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in his hands away from his body like receivers have
to do most of the time. And you know, Malie
Harrison is a guy who he's not Peyton Wilson. And
I'm sure we'll get into Peyton Wilson here. He had
some problems too in this drill. Ryan Chazier had problems
in this drill. It's not an easy drill for inside linebackers.
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It just is not.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
No, And I like how Tomlin kind of set this up.
Mike Tomlin set this up on purpose where he had
Caleb Johnson get the revenge on Malie Harrison, and then
he had Kenneth Gainwell get the revenge on Peyton Wilson,
who you mentioned. And Peyton Wilson kind of gave Gainwell
all he could handle in that first iteration of this
when it was you know, the running backs at the disadvantage,
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and now Kenneth Gainwell was able to pay that back
to Wilson. As you noted in your practice report, Wilson
did get his hands on one ball when it came
against the rep on Gainwell, but the flag came out
of the officials pocket. So really you have to give
that to Gainwell too.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
It's right. And you know, I always thought when Mike
Tomlin was talking about, you know, backs on backers before
it had happened, even the first time he mentioned that
he was looking forward to this matchup between Kenneth Gainwell
and Peyton Wilson, and a lot of people assumed that
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he meant, you know, the blocking version of it, and
I automatically assumed the other because you know, Ken Gainwell
may end up being a third down back and you
know there are gonna be some pass protection responsibilities for him,
no doubt, but his forte as a third downback is
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going to be the problems he poses to the defense
as a receiver. You know, his his history in the
league is as you know, it is as kind of
as a receiver. I mean Gainwell in his seasons with
the Eagles. I'm looking for his stats here as well
(06:35):
as I'm talking, you know, in four seasons with the Eagles. Uh,
he caught one hundred and thirty passes I think for.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Three hundred and seventy one yards down sixty six games.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yes, that's that's what he brings. That's the that's what
he adds to the offense. Thank you for that too,
by the way, Tom, that's.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
What it was, really your work that I was reading
so well.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
That's fine. I couldn't I couldn't find it. I was
looking through the copy here and I couldn't find it quickly.
Thank you for helping me. You know, teamwork even we
have to have car not just on the field, it's
in the booth sometimes too.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
But anyway, that's those kinds of numbers are what Kenneth
Gainwell contributes to the offense as a third down back
most often. And those kind of statistics are what Kenneth
Gainwell uh presents to the defense as a challenge most often.
And you know, if you're looking at you know, third
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and medium to short, you know the defense is going
to have to be on him close the whole time.
And as we were just talking about the difficulty in
covering guys like that, because as you mentioned, you get
your hand on the ball out comes the flag, you
can't hold, you can't you know, have your hands on
him even beyond five yards of the line of scrimmage.
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And if it's a you know, third and three, four
to six situation, that the defender has to be playing
the stick and so and that's what Kenneth Gainwell is
running or the running back whoever is running the pattern
too toward. So you know, NFL officials are told, you know,
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not to allow that kind of unnecessary hand fighting or
redirecting of the receiver or you know, any of that
kind of stuff. It's a very difficult assignment for a defender.
And if you have a player on offense who is
good at his version of that matchup, you have yourself
(08:42):
a real weapon possession downs, maintaining possession, you don't have
to punt. You can get to more things in your
offense if you have the ball. So yeah, I think
I won't call Kenneth Gainwell an underrated acquisition excuse me
this offseason, but maybe it's going to be so far
(09:07):
a little bit underrated.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
It is a drill that is skewed in the offense's
favorite But you did note that the defensive standout with
safety Quindel Johnson broke up a couple passes to Connor
Heyward and actually intercepted a pass intended for tight end
Kevin Folsch.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Yes, and again when we were talking in the previous
segment the last hour about James Pierre, when you're making interceptions,
we're getting your hands on the football cleanly. Because again,
the NFL officials were here and they were I can
guarantee you Mike Tomlin said to them, do not be
afraid to throw the flags, you know. Rather they were
(09:43):
more flag happy than not in these situations because you're
trying to emphasize to these guys what they need to
do to play clean. So when a guy breaks up
a couple of passes and has an interception in a
backs on backers past drill, good for him.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Certainly, you could label Darnel Washington as a star of
twenty twenty five Steelers training camp, and he has been
putting his imprint all over the backs on backers in
the past protection version of the drill. He caught up
with the media following practice yesterday. Let's take a listen
to what tight end Darnell Washington had to say.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Darnold, you played in this offense for a year, but
obviously things are a little bit different.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
Johnny added to the room. What do you like about.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
This year's offense as opposed to maybe what what.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
Do you guys ring out there last year?
Speaker 4 (10:33):
I feel like, you know, just added Johnald to the
room at least our room. You know, it did bring
a new flavor to the room. So you know, you know,
everybody no move. You know, Connor he got you know,
a little wiggy guy. I'm more like, no bigger whatever.
And Johnny, you know, he's been a different season there
too the road. So I feel like that not only
helped our room, but you know they'll offer up the
whole he'd been with Art, so you know, he kind
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of knows, you know, things like that. We're an old
corperson able to go, you know, anything than we can.
So I feel like, you know, adding people to our
roster just a plus. Take a couple of big catches today.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
How much more improved you like your past catching is
and how much more in love you know that you
are in your ro sharing work.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Uh, just speaking of about today, you know, I feel
like just me as the person you know, improved and
you know in that area, I feel like that was
just like the biggest question, you know, not even just
last season, but just.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Coming out of the ground.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
You know, everybody was just alway, he's a blocking tight end.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
He was blocking tight end. But you know, I never
really really.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Had a chance to showcase my pass catching or you know.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Just league in the ball.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
So I feel like that just an area that I
really have to continue to improve it in and keep
you know, displaying it out here on the practice field,
so it shows up on the Sundays, well, you know,
whenever the game he plays.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Though, I said, do you feel like you've always done
a good pass catching that's something that you haven't gotten
to show or if you really tried to improve that area.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Personally, I feel like I've always been a good pass catcher,
you know, just going back to like it's been some
years now, but if I'm back to high school, you know,
I never block.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
You know, I was a receiver.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
In high school and you know, just transition to tight
end college and you know that's when I just start
learning the block was college. So I feel like I always,
you know, able to catch the ball. It's just kind
of hard to showcase it when you're very good at
something else. And you know, you got other guys in
a room who is excellent in that area. So you know,
I mean I don't complain though, you know, I just
embraced my role and happened to do this.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Were you like the biggest guy on the field even
as a wide receiver, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
For sure, you turn on the tail.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
I'm still the biggest dude on the field.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
During Mini camp, I asked you about your role in
the offense to you to the Artis Smith asking a
lot more of you now that you've had like like
nine practices.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
So how do you feel.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
About the the expanded role that you're getting this year
and how that fits in with Aaron Rodgers and everyone else.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Yeah, you know, just with my role.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
You know, just today, like as she mentioned, she saw,
you know, me catching a little bit more balls today,
and you know, just with this offense, I just feel
like my roles is just a be there by day
just kind of I just gotta keep showing it and
keep this place in it, displaying it and uh things
like that. So it's just just pretty much to do
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what I can and just get a bigger role, you know,
center or or something.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Just talking about your second nature, you want to be
a second nature Q.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
What do you say what people ask a question?
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Cause this guy actually be an NFL tackle, especially with
what you've been doing.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Out here and some of these girls you sall.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I mean, if someone that like, I feel like if
you said the past catching is maybe the biggest question
about you.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
The second biggest question this might be could this guy.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Actually be a thing in the NFLF he wanted to be?
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Parsonally, I feel like I can, you know, but uh,
right now, you know I went tight end, So I'm
gonna focus on that. But you know, later on down
the road or you know, any time in the road,
or if they asked for me to do that, you know,
I'm gonna show it to my best ability. I personally,
you know, I'm gonna do with lots of confidence. So
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I feel like I can if I wanted to.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
I'm gonna see you said right now, how are you
looking at like a second career at some point?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
You so you're forty doing that?
Speaker 6 (14:04):
But I mean I don't ever talking of before.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
But I mean, I don't know what guy you know,
got to play for me?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
But after right now, you know.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Holding on the tight end roll until I can't or
whenever my times though, because so you're not resistant to
the idea necessarily, or you're not, like I guess, offended.
People say that, no, not at all. You know, personally me,
I'm over. I'm an open minded dude. So if Doctor
Do comes in hiding day life, football standpoint, relationship standpoint,
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I'm just open minded dude. You know, I didn't take criticism.
I'm about to take anything like that. I see both
sides of every story. Yeah, that's how I like.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
So now I'm kind of going off of all of that.
Just how much fun with Stacks on Doctor five times?
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Yeah, for sure, that's like probably belining the fun of
drill that we probably do, just because the energy, the
mixed emotions, uh, the competitive list of everybody out there,
even though just even the running backs and just seeing
them doing it back to back and back, and even
when they lose, they get back up, say one.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
More time, one more time.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
So just seeing that excites me, you know, get my
blood flown a little bit. And I mean I'm the
same way if I lose a rep, I'm ana you know,
I want to actually go again and keep going into
you know, I could you know obviously win, but.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
You want every time though, so so.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
The biggest guy.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
But I'm the super biggest guys.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
But you learn years when you're seeing game five, five
or six one linebacker on me, you know how to
have you learned?
Speaker 6 (15:34):
Ivolved under use your side?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I would makes sense.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Yeah, I feel like I'm still learning.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
I know today I went against Uh, I say get
one to one competition, they do a flag off of
the pr Uh. It's just a second nature, you know,
Like I didn't think I fully extended, but it's just
like my body is and I'm probably just you know,
just more bigger. So maybe I probably did mump up
a little bit to me, but at him, it's like,
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you know, a lot more for us, less of it.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
And all that flame.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Steelers tight end Darnell Washington. Following practice yesterday, when Labs
and I come back, we'll talk a little bit more
about Kenny g and some of the impact he has,
and we'll hear from him as well. And Labs has
the practice script for today's practice, which is just about
forty minutes away, so a lot more still to get to.
Vince Williams is also going to join us to close
things out today on the Training Camp Report, on Fox
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Speaker 2 (17:22):
Labs. Don't you think this would just sound so great
at Akroscher Stadium every time Kenneth gainwell, Kenny g gets
in the end zone, I think the crowd would go nuts.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Well, you know, I just looked it up. And the
guy playing the saxophone there he is at Kenneth too.
Oh my god, Pet Kenneth. I'm gonna take a shot
at his last name, gorlic. Seems to me how you
would pronounce it, but yeah, or maybe who knows. Steelers
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play some sometimes music during walkthroughs and stuff. Maybe they
could every time he wins a rep and backs on
backers pass. They could play that then too. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I mean, if this thing gets enough legs too. I mean,
I have to imagine Kenny G's pretty gettable, Labs, and
you might be able to have him up on that
jumbo tron in the stadium actually playing it live.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
You might be surprised how ungettable musicians are since the
pandemic in terms of, you know, letting their stuff be used.
But who knows. You know, Hey, you're the one with
all the connections in the music cars, right, So have
at it, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I'll give it my best shot. We'll get to Kenny
G and hear from him in just a little bit.
I have one more angle I want to throw by
Labs too when it comes to him. But before we do,
you have your practice script for today in hand. Why
don't we let everybody know what they can expect to
see at Steelers practice, if they're there or if they're
watching on Steelers dot com.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Yeah. First thing I always check is the estimated length
of the session. So we're looking at two minutes and
excuse me, two hours and fifty teen minutes on the
field today. You know, seven shots as usual, the competition period,
there is a there is going to be a wide
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receiver defensive back. Part of it having to do with
releases off the line of scrimmage. So this is a
lot of times what I would refer to as little
man backs on backers. The defensive backs are trying to
impede the wide receivers getting off the line of scrimmage.
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The receivers are trying to escape any kind of chucking
on the line of scrimmage. And then there's also this
first time so far this camp tight ends against outside
linebackers and run blocking. So let me just say this,
I pity the man who's going up against Darnel Washington
in that one. Then there's a period of tackle football
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team run as it's known. Then there's other stuff, and
then at the end, as I said, goal line it
is seven plays. They put the ball at the one
and a half yard line. It's not going to be
seven plays for one unit. I mean, you're not gonna
get seven cracks at it. I'm sure they'll be rotating
units in and out. And we talked about Ken wizen
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Hunt's philosophy that one summer, where he believed it was
more important to the team to establish because this was
after the Tommy Maddocks mistake had been concluded that he
needed to be physical on offense and Ken wizen Hunt's
philosophy was scoring a touchdown on a play action pass
(20:43):
and in August, drill at training camp is not as
important to the team their mindset and their physical development
as instilling that we will play physical down here and
you need to do what is necessary from a physical
stand point to get that ball into the end zone.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
And as you mentioned, it's family day, so a little
extra juice perhaps running through the veins of the players
to impress in front of their family and their kids.
Kenneth Gainwell before we hear from him LABS, we talked
about how he can be so versatile in the passing
game and out of the backfield, and Mike Tomlin even
said that yesterday quote. He's good in the backfield, he's
good coming out of the backfield. He's a good route runner,
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he's a good outside zone runner. He's got a well
rounded game, and that's one of the reasons why we
were excited about acquiring him. Yeah, Mike Tomlin and the
Steelers got an up close look at how good Gainwell
is last year. In that Philadelphia game, he was a
big impact for the Eagles. I'm glad that that's going
to be on the Steelers sideline of things. Now. Another
angle though, when it comes to his impact I think,
is we could see him, I think potentially get that
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kick return job. It looks like they might be looking
at running backs to fill that void now that Cordero
Patterson's gone, and I just think that Gamewell is somebody
that could make some plays for you there.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Yeah, And you know, I never really have a feel
for the kickoff rule until I see it in some games,
But I do believe that, you know, running backs would
be good at kickoff returns because you know the coverage
the defense is coming kind of in a line as
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a group. It's not as staggered as it would be
on a punt. When you're returning a punt, you have
the gunners that you have to get away from, and
then usually there's another wave coming at you and it's
separated sometimes by you know, I was you know a
significant number of yards. Kickoff return is more about I
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think catching the ball, hitting a seam created by the blocking,
and then just you know, going as fast as you
can for as long as you can. There's not a
lot of joking, I don't think going on there. And
a lot of times that's the way running backs handle it.
You know, you take the hand off, you find a
hole in the line of scrimmage and then pile you hit,
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you hit it and then you know, you see how
far you can get once that's over.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Kenneth gane Well talked to the media following practice yesterday.
Let's hear from Kenny G.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Thanks.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I love the drill.
Speaker 7 (23:17):
I love I love competing. That's my that's my that's
my my go to you know, I love to see
what other guys can bring to.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
The table to it.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
Also, you know it just get to show, you know
what the coach of what we can do, you know,
and trusting us.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
It got shribute there a couple of times. It's not
fun though for you guys.
Speaker 7 (23:33):
Yes it's fun, but you know we got also at
the same time remember to take care of each other.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
Had up all the offense you're lining up in the backfield,
flit out wide. It's a lot what what's that?
Speaker 3 (23:42):
What's that? Being up?
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Like, you're getting to know all those differ roads in
this offense with arts and rock.
Speaker 7 (23:47):
Yeah, that's a that's a cool piece that that we're doing.
And I'm embracing it. I'm taking it all in. But
at the same time, you know, just showing it to
a Rod and the coach Smith about and what I
can do? You know, okay outside in the backfield. You know,
it's just a great piece.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
How much decoration of town does it take to learn
all those different roles cause I mean we're talking about
footwork to be different defensive backs and linebackers and different spots.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
Yeah, it take time. I mean, these walkthroughs are very important,
So I mean you gotta attack the walk through the
same way you're attacking the game.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
But they found here. Did you know much about Arthur
Smith and today?
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Did he define what how he wanted to use you?
And was a part of why you came up?
Speaker 7 (24:28):
When I first signed here, I didn't know anything, you know. Uh,
But you know, as as time been growing on me
and me being here, you know, it's it's actually been
a good a good piece of like him using it.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Chatting out and Peyton was telling us about your guys
one on one matchups. How would you describe how.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
That's how you're being challenged by that and now he's
holding up on it.
Speaker 7 (24:49):
I think it's a I think it's a great challenge,
you know, having a great linebacker that can cover real
good And that's me challenging myself too. Also, you know
that can go against other backs in the league that
can you know, challenge, you know, go one on one against.
So I'm embracing that challenge with with him, and I'm
just gonna continue to get him better each and every
day and me get better.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Too, Kenny.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
Mike Tomlin had told us a little while ago from
freshed with your feel for rob running, how long has
that been a.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
Strength when you feel like I've been doing this since
I was seven, you know, running routes, So I mean
for a while, yeah, so a while. So, I mean,
I mean it's just it's just something that you know,
I get to display in the in the NFL, you know,
and and on a different on a different level.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
Does it work more because of what you do or
because you're able to size up.
Speaker 7 (25:35):
The guy covering you into I think it's my knowledge
of the game, you know, and you know, annoying defenses
and knowing what backage leverage and stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
I had a lot of really competitive reps with Peyton Wilsons.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
What stands out from him from like a coverage standpoint.
You don't only see that people white down.
Speaker 7 (25:50):
Yeah, I mean Peyton is Payton is not a big
body type of linebacker, and he can run fast, you know,
just getting on the side of him, just knowing his
speed and knowing his temple the way I need to
approach him on certain things, and it's just a it's
a great challenge.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
When I talked to Caleb, asked him, like if he's
trying to learn from you all different, he said, like, Nah,
he got that because he's just just like he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Know how to run those routes.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
What have you seen out of the rookie as far
as him adapting and how you gots how people have
challenged him.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
I love the way carrying itself right now. You know,
he's he's doing a great job at that. And I
think he just needs to continue to do his job
each and every day, come here and stay focused on
his on the small details, but just not let the
outside noise get to him and him just keep working.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
You know it.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
He's a rookie.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
He gotta continue to learn each and every day. So
I mean, he gotta just keep going.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Steelers running back Kenneth Gainwell speaking with the media. When
Labs and I come back, we will be joined by
former Steelers linebacker Vince Williams. He's hanging around practice today.
Can't wait for Vince to jump on. It's the Training
Camp Report on Fox Sports Pittsburgh nine seventy AM and
the Steelers Audio.
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Speaker 2 (27:30):
Out from me and Bob Labriola on the Training Camp Report.
Always a treat to end each of our shows up
at camp, or most of our shows up at camp
with a former Steeler who's hanging around camp practice for
the day. And today it's former inside linebacker Vince Williams,
who's spent eight years with the Steelers, Vince, thanks so
much for hanging out with us for the next couple
of minutes.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
Oh, no problem. Man's great for you guys to have
me have excited to be down here.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Okay, Vince, let's get started with this. Twenty thirteen was
the first time I imagine you ever saw this camp. You
came here as a rookie sixth round pick from Florida State.
What did you think of the campus when you first
got to look at it and what was your mindset
in terms of trying to make an NFL roster.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
Oh man, it's a beautiful campus. Man. I'm happy they
got the nuns on campus because I came in here
to termin to kill and I got a lot of you.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
So what was it like living in Rooney Hall for
the summer?
Speaker 6 (28:23):
Oh man, it was great.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Man.
Speaker 6 (28:24):
You get to spend all this time with your teammates.
I think La Trobe is a beautiful place to actually
jail together. A lot of these guys don't do destination
camps anyn More like what I say, a lot of
these guys, I mean a lot of NFL teams don't
do destination camps. But I think in today's society, with
all those social media and distractions. It's one of the
only true times that you get a chance to jail
together as a team before you go on. You got
to take on that grueling season.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
So a lot of times Mike Tomlin will arrange suitep
mates in the dormitory. This year, for example, he put
Aaron Rodgers and DK Metcalf together. Who were you with
and how did the veterans react the rookies?
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Then, Oh, man, we had an amazing group of vats.
I don't even I think Terrence Garvin was my first
room mate, and it's crazy because we're still really close
friends to this day. But we had an amazing group
of vats. I remember carrying like thirteen hell mints a
day up the hill and all the type of show
to pass and just getting gator rads and everything. It
was good, man, because it helps you build like a
(29:21):
level of humility, and the more you do for the vets,
the more they'll look out for you and the more
they'll give you information.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
So when you were a rookie, did you ever play
the numbers game in terms of, you know, how many
guys were competing for a certain number of spots and
trying to figure out where you landed in the pecking
order or did you just take it day by day,
keep your head done and let that take care of itself.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
Oh absolutely not. Man. I was supremely confident in my
own ability. I felt like everybody else out here that
wasn't a pencil theyn it started was chasing me.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Okay. So special teams are always very important. The special
teams coach was in his first year in two thousand
and thirteen. He's still the special teams coach now, Danny Smith.
What was he like as a coach and what did
he emphasize?
Speaker 6 (30:07):
I think Danny Smith was the exact same way when
I first came in, although he did you a little
bit more gun back then, but he was very intense.
He was very detailed, and he was very demanding. And
I think that's really good for a young guy to
come into the NFL and the first guy you get
introduced to as a low round draft pick, as a
guy like Danny Smith. I think that type of hardening
and tough love help propel me for the rest of
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my career. So was there a Do you think there
was a point at any during the summer, either a
training camp or maybe either a preseason game where it
hit you. You said you were confident, but it hit you, Hey,
I belong here, I can do this. This was this day,
our first family day. We had goal line in short
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yardage and I remember stoning Isaac redman on the goal
line and they called him red zone redman, and I
remember a couple plays back to back, I stoned him
on the goal line and went on one tackles and
that was when I was like, I have a role
and I have a spot here in this organization.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
So okay, the day that the roster was cut the
fifty three, you were a rookie, What was that like
for you? When did you know officially you were on
the team? And then how did they get that information
to you? Oh that's a very interesting story.
Speaker 6 (31:17):
Actually, I cut my cell phone off and me and
Jarvis Jones left and we went car shopping for Jarvis Jones.
And I was like, man, if I get cut, I'm
not finding out to tomorrow. So I cut my phone
off for the entire day. And they actually sent Jack
Kearney out to come find me, and they were contacting Jarvis,
and obviously Jarvis wasn't telling them that I was with him,
but somebody had seen us and they were like, we've
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seen Vince. He just was in a car dealership and
Jack came over to the car dealership.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
He was like, what are you doing, Vince?
Speaker 6 (31:43):
Where's your phone out on? I'm like, Jack, if y'all
cut me, I'm finding out tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
He's like, you didn't get cut. You made the team.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
They're trying to call you cut your phone back on.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
So during your rookie season, you started eleven games at
inside linebacker. How did you become I'm a starter? And
what do you remember anything about your first NFL start?
Speaker 6 (32:04):
Larry Foote actually went down with a really bad tricep
injury and then put him out for the rest of
the season. And I had developed such a camaraderie with
my veterans by being just a solid rookie. And I
also understood both inside linebacker positions that they had so
much confidence in me as a veteran defense that they
actually went to Dick Lebow and vouched for me and
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was like, Vince is ready to go, put him in
right now. And that's how I got my first start.
So what do you remember about that game? I remember
that it was really fast. It was much different than
the preseason. I was like, man, this is super fast,
Like the intensity's picked up from the preseason. But as
I started playing more, just got more comfortable to me,
and I was like, man, I really do belong out here,
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Like I can really do this.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
I can dominate. So you played eight years. You appeared
in one hundred and twenty one games, sixty nine starts.
In those games, you had four hundred and seventy nine tackles,
fifty tackles for lost, twenty and a half sacks, and
forty five hits on the quarterback. Okay, those are your stats,
But how would you describe yourself as a player.
Speaker 6 (33:06):
I just think I'm a stealer. I think, through in
and throughout, to to my blood and my bones, I'm
just a Pittsburgh stealer. Man. I'm so gracious for this
opportunity to be able to play for such a story franchise.
I don't think I ever could have played or had
the level of success I had in football if I
played for any other franchise.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Okay, we'll get you out of here on this. Vince,
you played inside linebacker in the NFL. Watching the game
now as it's played, how it's legislated in terms of
the officiating. How has the position of inside linebacker changed? Oh?
Speaker 6 (33:39):
Man, it's completely changed.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Now.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
When I look at these guys, they're so athletic, they're
so fast, they move in space so well. I think
the evolution of the game is just a beautiful thing.
I think it should be more spread out, it should
be more athletic and more fast paced. And I love it.
I enjoy watching them. Man, I wish I could run
like that.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Vince, thanks so much for this time. It was awesome.
Enjoy practice today.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
Oh thank you guys for having me anytime.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
That's there was inside linebacker Vince Williams eight years with
the Black and Gold. It's great having him up on
campus again today. Labs have got a few more minutes
here to close out the show. Pads are coming back
on today. Do you expect maybe a little bit of
an increase in intensity even beyond the families being there,
just maybe because you got that game now on the
horizon And we talked about this yesterday on the show.
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Guys that are second, third, fourth on the depth chart,
they got to start making some splashes so they can
get some playing time.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Yeah, I mean it's going to be an interesting day.
I think again, it's where it falls more than that.
It's family days. Specifically, you're coming off a day when
you weren't in pads, and then tomorrow you're looking forward
to a day off, and you know, I won't say
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it's starting to get real, because it has been real
for a long time, But now that we're into the
preseason game part of this process, I think that guys
not only you want to show them show themselves well
in these games, but I think they're also getting a
little antsy to go against somebody else, a guy in
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a different jersey, those kinds of things. I mean, if
you're whatever, whatever position you play from line or receiver,
running backs and linebackers, receivers and defensive backs, a lot
of the times you're lining up against the same people
and you know you those matchups, you know the familiarity.
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They say familiarity breeds contempt, and I would imagine in
a lot of instances it does, but there's also a
comfort that could develop. You know, if you're covering someone,
you have come to know what they do well and
what they don't. If you're running a route against someone,
it's the same way. You know, if you're blocking someone
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or pass rushing against someone, you know, all of those
kinds of things. You know, we just heard Vince Williams
talking about when I asked him about his first start
and he said, wow, it was a lot faster. Well,
this is training camp, you know, preseason is is another
speed and then as Vince explained, then there's another speed
after that. And for some of the new guys, you
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want to as evaluators, as coaches, you want to see
if it's what they the way they call it determain
it is. Is it too big for them? You know?
How do they react when stressful situations arise in a
in a in a game atmosphere as opposed to a
practice atmosphere. You know, some of the adversity that they
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have faced here a training camp, you know, it started
with the weather, the rain, you know, those kinds of things.
Now it might be the some of the adversity comes
from the dog days of sumwhere as Mike Tomlan referred
to with this you know, lather, rinse, repeat kind of
life that you have to live at training camp. But
(37:15):
you know, now, but what happens to them as individuals
and maybe as a position group, and then maybe also
as a unit. What happens when there's adversity, Uh say,
if you're on offense, you know, you get a bad
call or some bad field position, you know, those kind
(37:36):
of things. If it's defense, you know, sudden change turnover,
you have to take the field that you know and
defend the goal line you're on your own ten yard
line or something, those kinds of things. How do how
do players react to that? You know, do they I
don't know, what's the look in their eye? Like? You know,
(37:57):
those kinds of things. These are these are a lot
of the shoes I think that are going to crop up.
And that's part of the evaluation process.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
And you mentioned how tomorrow is an off day for
the players. You know, that's another thing that Tomlin likes
to keep an eye Mike Tomlin likes to keep an
eye on it is dangling that carrot out there right.
Are these guys going to give you a full focused
practice today with that, you know, not only an off
day tomorrow on the horizon labs, but maybe a nice
dinner at home with your wife and kids tonight, a
sleep in your own bed. I mean, there's a lot
(38:28):
of things that are attractive after we get to business
and that concludes around you know, i'd say a little
after four today. So I mean it's a big thing
for Mike Tomlin to see the focus level where it
needs to be, with perhaps some things that they might
be more interested in doing on the horizon.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Yeah, and you know, and then coming back here on Monday, right, yeah, right,
or no on Tuesday, oh right, but I mean back
on the field. Correct, What what's that like for you?
I mean, I'm not I don't know that there would
be a lot of punishment drills. I'm not suggesting any
of that kind of high school stuff. But I'm sure
(39:08):
that when they come back, there will be a viewing
of this practice video, either in units, in positions, you
know as positions, or you know, a team situation. And
you know, sometimes truth hurts, as they say.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Well, the truth hurts for me that I won't be
able to talk to you tomorrow because we won't be
having a training camp report. Hope that you'll be able
to survive without me.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Yeah, control your disappointment. You're doing a real good job
of it so far.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
I will try my best. We have no practice, we
have no training camp report tomorrow. You still have one
more practice though, to get through today. It starts in
just a few minutes. Wes Euler and Matt Williams are
going to take over and guide you through that with
the Drive for Labs. Tom thanks as always for listening,
Thanks for Vince Williams for joining us. We will bet
(40:00):
at noon on Tuesday recapping everything that happened in today's
padded practice. It's the Training Camp Report on Fox Sports
Pittsburgh nine seventy am and the Steelers Audio Network.
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