Welcome back to The Vikings Tailgate - Presented by Ticketmaster - The official ticket marketplace of the Minnesota Vikings. The Vikings continue their European tour, this time in "Jolly Old London" against the Cleveland Browns on Sunday. Cy and Chad look back on some of the most historic "Oh No" moments for the Browns organization, review the "Miracle At The Met" ramifications, give kudos to the perseverance of Clevelanders, and pick apart the challenges facing both teams this weekend at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. All of this and more is in Episode 58 of The Vikings Tailgate - Presented by Ticketmaster - The official ticket marketplace of the Minnesota Vikings.
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Speaker 1 (00:34):
I'm here, Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of The Tailgate,
brought to you by Ticketmaster. It's me, your host, cy Onminson,
sitting across from me, your co host, the Great Chad Daniels.
Your favorite team is still over in Europe. They're recovering
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from a loss in Ireland. They're headed England way, and
now we got to get one before we come home. Chad,
this is a I don't want to be dramatic. I
don't want to start the show. I'm dramatic too often,
so I don't want to start the show dramatic. But
like I always assume, to fly home after a loss
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sucks and the only experience I have. We both grew
up rural, didn't go to a lot of sporting events
as little kids. I went to my first Viking game,
I believe I was a senior in high school, and
we want it, But I always had that thing like
if we'd have lost, that three and a half hour
drive home with a loss hits a lot different in
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your face paint than the twenty minute drive back to
a dina. And that's that's what I think about with
these England games, Like, dude, if you take an L
in England and then they're like, well, now let's traverse
the globe as losers. Ugh, don't don't care for it.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I know you don't believe in jet lag with pfe athletes,
but I think this is going to be great. That
they're sitting over do you do it? That's because you
told me last week. So I think that they're going
to be great sitting over there practicing in their normal time,
because I think it would be horrible to have to
take that flight home. Because I remember going from Minneapolis
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to Fergus Falls after the Timberwolves got destroyed by the
Bulls and they should have and I didn't even get
to see Michael Jordan because my back was against the metrodome. Ceiling,
and so there are those times. But I will tell
you the first time ever came to a Twins game,
we parked for some reason way over on the campus
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and I got to see two people kiss for the
first time ever live that weren't my parents, And that
was a pretty cool trip home.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
What an origin story for you and how you think
you did?
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I think it's more not even worrying about the players.
So our normal producer, Jay Nelson is not with us today.
We have sub producers, and honestly, they're gunning for the job.
I think they're doing great. They're gunning for the job,
and it feels like they have a chance.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Well, because I did hear when we brought Jay up,
both of them at the same time, said jab.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I heard one of them go, so the h he
flew He flew over there for the Ireland game, I'm sure,
and he wasn't there for a full week of hanging
out in Ireland. He's like, I'm gonna go there as
a fan even though he works for the team. And
then we lost and then they were like, hey, you know,
your normal flight no longer happening. We're gonna send you
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on a side flight. Four hours the wrong way and
then all the way back. That's a tough when you
love a football team, that's a tough draw to be
going the wrong way across the globe. So I do
have a lot of friends who are going to the
England game. And yeah, I mean not just for myself
or sake of needing the team to win, because the
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schedule coming up. Daddy, Yeah, you need.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
You need to get on the right side of the
scales of justice. There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Before we see the Eagles, Ravens and Lions.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Oh my yes, I think we could take Ravens out
of there. Listen, thanks Dereck Henry in fantasy this year
and guess what hard pass. Listen to this. So I
love that Jay is telling everybody that the airline did this,
when really he just needed a long layover in Amsterdam.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
After that long we get it feels like he needed
more than anything, a break from the two of us.
It feels personal. H No, Probably we play the Steelers.
I don't care for the Steelers like I don't mind,
but we have a lot We talked about this last week.
They've had a lot of success. I don't need to
root even if I like Mike Tomlin, even if I
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like our friends who like the Steelers, I don't need
to root for the Steelers. Now the Browns much like
the Bengals in this AFC North run we're on. If
there is any fan base that I think comes toe
to toe with the miser of the Minnesota fan, it
is it is the Clear and I think they get
the I think they have the upper hand. I think
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had Lebron James never been there, had they not won
that Like, sure, you know the Guardians have won some titles,
but I think specifically in football, they have a hand
at a table right next to ours with the oh my,
oh my gosh, this is terrible and we are we're
miserable when we've been close so many times because I
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think when you are one of those teams who's who've like,
never won anything, and I wonder if this is the
same way if the Niners have this or the Steelers
have this, but we have memorable moments with names that
went against us. Yeah, right, the Hail Mary was invented
against us, the Hail Mary game, right, the kick, the
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Gary Anderson kicks. So the Browns, I mean, you want
to talk about taking an iconic name like blow like
at a really hard time twice in row. So it's
eighty seven like that is the drive. That's the John
Lay And I think we have a lot of people
who are younger who like maybe know what that is.
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They've heard it. But to break the specifics of that down,
there are five minutes and forty three seconds left. The
Browns score to go up twenty thirteen, and then this
dude ken Bell misplays the ensuing kickoff and it's on
the two yard line. They've got to go ninety eight
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yards to tie. Now, every Viking fan right now is going, well,
of course they're gonna, but I don't. That's not what
other people feel. No one in Seattle feels that. That's
what we feel, and that's what the Browns feel. So
that's the iconic Lway drive horrible, right.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
And when you we're saying things like the drive, think
of how many drives there have been and this is
the drive, the drive, and everyone knows this is like
when you say Madonna or Share, everybody knows what you're
talking about. That's an embarrassing field.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
This one's if you think that's bad. So they right,
they losing that AFC Championship game. They were prime to
go to the super Bowl. But there's this feeling obviously
in Cleveland. The time is they had a very good
team and they will be back, and they did get
back to another AFC Championship game and they are on
it's They drove to the Denver eight yard line with
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a minute twelve left, right Bernie Cosar hands it off
to Ernest Beiner. He bounces, he bounces back outside and
he fumbles and they lose that game. It's like a
like I said, a minute twelve remaining that is forever
referred to as the fumble.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
That's yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Of all the fumbles, you're the fumble that sucks. I
couldn't even think of what the vite. I know what
the pick is. When you say, if somebody were to
say the interception, do you do you go to the
right place as a Viking fan, don't know farther across
the body for me.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Oh, I mean that's a big I mean, but you
know what I was. Also, you'd say the fumble, and
I have a bunch of other ideas.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Sure, can I tell you?
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I think they just got it early. That's that's what's
happening here?
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Can you the other thing that I do? And you're
a huge hockey guy, so this is relevant to watch
a beloved team move from a city and have that
owner become a villain to the city like we did
with the north Stars, the the Browns moving and that
whole song, like, but I'm not as big a hockey
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guy if you have. The Dallas Stars won a title.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, and let me tell you, let me tell you
that we yeah, we almost well, we were right there.
We we were on the doorstep. And that's the year
they moved. And my first my first album. Instead of
a thank you list, it's a letter to Norm Green
for moving the team, and it's not great. I had
to put it on the inside.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Also our city because of that. No one ever talks
about this, because I don't think anybody cares about team
names as much as I do. But we had the
shot at having I like, in my opinion, the iconic
collection of team names. Had no one ever been moved
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right right the north Stars. I believe the Minnesota north
Stars was the best team name in the entire NHL.
That is my personal opinion. It sucks that it's the
Dallas Stars. I think that's horrific, I but also maybe
the greatest name in the history of professional sports, and
it still is because they went on to all their success.
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But the Minneapolis Lakers the Lakers, we could be the
Minneapolis Lakers, the Minnesota Vikings, the Minnesota north Stars, and
the Minnesota Twins.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
That's pretty It's untouchable for names.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
It's untouchable for names, and yet it feels so touchable
for lack of titles. Here's what I will say though,
like and now, because I think if you're trying to
pick out the teams in the NFL that I think
we can share misery with and root for, it's a
very small list. You and I both love the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Bills, yeah, owen foreign Super Bowls just like the virus.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Really really really easy to root for them. The Detroit Lions,
even though they're in the same division, Like, until we're eliminated,
I want them to lose. But once we're eliminated, as
long as it's not by them, you know, Like I
think the Lions, and then I think it's the Bengals.
It's the Bengals and the Browns because some of the
other ones that have struggled, like the Jags and some
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other players like there's just not the the long history
where with the Vikings, And I think this is the
same way with the Browns. Had you been successful, had
you want to had the I'm of the firm belief
we've talked about this before, had you won two of
those Super Bowls, and going back to that Hail Mary
game that fran Tarkentin says that was the he believes
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that was his envy season. He thinks that's the best
team they ever had. So that would have been a
fifth super Bowl trip. And if you even win two titles,
I think we are in the conversation with the Packers Niners.
You know, Steelers, Cowboys, the more iconic franchise, and the
Browns had a couple of big misses in that same way.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, and I don't think you. I think these cities
that you're talking about they can't win. I mean, I
believe that they could talent wise, but I'm saying for
the fan base, you can't. It's so cold in Minnesota,
it's so cold in Buffalo, it's cold in Cleveland. These
are all you know, started off as blue collar cities.
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Cincinnati at two cities in Ohio, and the fan base
needs to go to work and they need to get up,
and they need while they're while they're trying to start
their car when it's twenty below zero, they need to
be able to say, well, at least we're not the Browns.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
You know, you're saying, you're saying, the Browns need to
keep losing so we can have see.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
I'm saying everybody, I'm saying, I'm just saying, like, it
is interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
When the Browns go at least we're not the Vikings,
and the Vikings go at least we're not the Lions,
and the Bills go at least we're not the Bengals.
Like it's just a circular. What I would say is
it's really interesting getting to know all these other fan
bases when you kind of do this on a week
to week basis, because that same misery the Bills oh
for four, the Vikings oh for four with the championship loss,
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the Browns, the move their losses, the Lions, the thirties,
everybody handles it really differently. It's almost like, you know,
the this is this metaphor sucks Chad. But do you
remember the movie The Mask?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Of course?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
So when uh, when the mask would go on whatever
was inside that. Like Jim Carey was silly, so he
became a cartoon character. Dorian Gray was evil, so he
became you know, big evil guy. The mask kind of
elevates the personality of the person to this large level.
I think that's what losing does to a city where
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Minnesota is so passive aggressive, yeah, and so like friendly
not friendly. We become Charlie Brown where you go to
the Browns, like we're constantly tricked by Hope where every season,
Here's what I'm gonna tell you, whether it's Carson Wentz
or JJ McCarthy, first touchdown that gets thrown on Sunday
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against the Browns, a large percentage of our fan base
to be like here we go, and then the first
mistake we make that same large percentage of go, well
it happened again. It happened again. Like we ride, we
ride the wave, whereas like the Browns they stand so
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far on shore trash talking the way. Whereas in Buffalo, Oh,
they're like, what if I put my emotion through this
table with my body exactly. It's interesting to see how
each city puts the mask on to close the metaphor
thank you it was a good one.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Well you were. I think you're absolutely correct. That metaphor sucked. Now.
I used to have to watch the Vikings with a
certain group of people, and the leader of that group
of people, I'm telling you, if if the kickoff return
wasn't to the twenty yard line, he would go now
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game's over. It was super fun.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
So I do know what you're talking about the US.
If that is a shot at me, I don't believe
it to be accurate. So I'm really I know that
I'm up and down a lot, but that can't be
about me.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
You are up and down in a completely different way.
That's laughable. This was just annoying. This is nine.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
That's great. It feels good. Normally the shots are so
veiled that it's hard for me to see through them
to see if they hit my torso or not.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Well, I think it's because you have so many unlikable
qualities that you always think a negative comment is about you.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
That brother, pot, why don't you lay off the kettle
for a second. Here the Browns and Vikings like they do,
despite having like similar misery, there is also kind of
an intense history. I mean, that's the miracle at the
met game. That's I think because it happened so long
ago and the Browns that we don't play a lot,
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but I mean twenty three to nine fourth quarter vikings,
they score a touchdown with two remaining, and the interesting
thing about that game is, I think everybody thinks it
was like it wasn't a just well and then they
got the on side kick. They didn't get the on
side kick, but the Browns get a penalty. They end
up having a punt and that's the old Oki dokie
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Hail Mary tip Ahmad Rashad game winning touchdown. Man. That
is a the Browns have been at the bottom of
like we're kind of also the team who ended their
I guess I caught like the Browns were really successful
up through the eighties. That was their kind of first
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run and we really put it on them back in
eighty like twenty eight, twenty three and kind of kind
of put them down and signified the beginning of a
streak where the Browns would not win a playoff game
until I believe the eighty six eighty six yep. Yeah,
and then that would lead and now to time hot
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back that would lead them the other direction. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
It is It is fun to do stuff like that
because you have people come in, you know, they come
to Minnesota from other teams that they're fans of, and
they go, well, if you won a super Bowl, and
then you have to pull out obscure facts like no,
but we did make sure the Browns didn't win a
playoff game for six years. Nice?
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Try welcome. Let's talk about miracle at the met that
didn't lead to a super Bowl, or the minute Soda
miracle that didn't lead to a super Bowl, or ninety
eight that didn't lead to a super Bowl. I think
I'm not smart enough to answer this, and I don't
think we should. We need to talk about the game.
I don't think we should spend our time on this.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
But I.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Wonder when you start talking about close chances, what in
any of the pro sports. Obviously the Red Sox and
obviously the Cubs, but those are both won. Now, yep,
what in terms of not just not winning a title.
It's us and the Bills. But have the Bills had
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We have the four loss super Bowls, and we have
the iconic like Gary Anderson kick, you know, we have
the iconic Farv interception. I think we probably have more
chances than it. The Knicks have a few, but they
haven't been success. I don't think you know, John Stark's
almost hitting that three, but I don't think anyone else
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in any pro sport is even close.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, but you look the fan base of the Red
Sox and the Cubs, and they didn't know what to
do when they won. There was nothing to complain about.
There was no more like they went to bed confused.
So I mean we still have that, We still have that.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
The Socks went on such a run. Can I tell
you something with confidence? If we transition to a dynasty
phase the way the Red Sox did, where you're just
competitive forever and you win a few twos like, I
think I will handle that well. I think I will
move from the misery to the unlikable wins too much
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team like. But I think you're right. Boston and the
Cubs fans struggled with that. Not me.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
They struggle. I'm not going to struggle either. I have
spent so much time in therapy talking about my family,
but now what I spend it on is how am
I going to sleep correctly in February after we win
the Super Bowl? That is a lot of my sessions.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Yeah, absolutely can't agree more. Can I tell you one
more thing about Cleveland before we do the game, please?
I do think it's an underrated city. I know it's
had its Hey, the lake caught on fire moments and
it's been a little It was a river.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
I'm just gonna throw it out. It was a river.
A lot of cities will put on fire.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Works like Eerie didn't like Erie catch on fire.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Well maybe because the river. I don't know. Maybe the
crow that was fiction.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah, but I think they reference it anyways. Yeah, it's
the river. Go ahead, it's the river.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
No, I'm just saying, like a lot of you know,
it's it's congratulations to them for saying like, we see
your fireworks and we raise you a river on fire.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I love the people that I think some of the
best comedy crowds. We both do comedy, some of the best. Yeah,
I and an interesting I think we were talking about
that personality, an interestingly loyal group of people that whether
the sports built it or not. I remember I was
performing at one of the best clubs in America. Hilarity
that we both love absolutely.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Nick is top shelf.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
The kitchen caught on fire and the power went out
and we had to finish the show in the dark.
And the second show, they were willing to get people
their money back, or they could go stand out in
the alley and they'd put a speaker out there and
I would perform out in the alley and Everybody's like, well,
we wanted to do comedy, and they all watched an
alley show. So I think there's a perseverance to the city.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Now, let me ask you, did the kitchen really start
on fire or is this like Lake Erie? Yeah, it
did start on fire, Okay, I do think. Now let
me ask you this question. Is Cleveland going to be
a great comedy city if the Browns win a Super Bowl?
Because right now you know they Cleveland fans. Can they
they come to the comedy show and they take a
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joke and they laugh at themselves and everything is really fun.
If they win, can they laugh at themselves? Or now
are they like, hey, not interested in you making fun
of us? We won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I don't think we should worry about that.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
No, I'm guess what. I haven't talked about that in
therapy ever.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
What have you ever been to the Christmas story House there?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
No? I have not, but I know it's there, and
I think it's interesting because across the street here is
a like a really well known dive bar, and that's
not in the movie.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
No, correct, it absolutely is not the there's two I didn't.
I was gonna go this year when I did Hilarities.
And then also on the way, did you know that
on the way, not far from Cleveland, you can go
visit the actual Shawshank.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
No, yeah, now, like it was in the northeast.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
The guy who is opening for me, who I like
a great deal, sure, showed up just late enough that
it put us just behind enough that I couldn't go
to Shawshank and send my dad a video from Shawshank,
which has scored me some huge sun points. But yeah,
it's it's a good city. But I want him to
lose Chad. I do too.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
We need this one. We got to have this one.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
The injury thing is getting out of control, and I don't.
I never dislike how dumb I am more than when
because you meet these people in the medical field who
you hear what the injuries do a football player, and
they go, here's what's happening here. You know, our friend Eric,
who's a physical therapist. He goes, that's I would guess
he's gonna be out this week. And by the way,
no matter what teams say around the league, he always
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nails it almost exactly.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah, I'll call him before fantasy my lineup because a
cube by my guy. I don't care about that. I
don't care what anybody has to say except him.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Let's get Eric's opinion on this. The O line thing
is nuts, I think, yeah, no kidding. I don't know
how you deal with that. I know that when you're
in Europe it's hard to get someone in there for
some extra depth. So with such a well, let me
ask before I say that, let me ask you this
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because I think going into these because the Cleveland just
got smoked by Detroit and they took a seven er
lead and then it was an avalanche going into that game.
They you know, fewest yards per game two hundred and four.
And it's not like they were playing nobody's They played
Joe Burrow in week one. That's a very good team.
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I think they had the Ravens and the Packers, so
that's a very legit schedule. But the Lions, their offense
going into the game was ranked second in scoring first
in EPA per play, and so I was very curious
to see what happened when those forces met one another,
and it was a crushing by the Lions. So my
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question to you, as a guy who watches a lot
of football, do we think that is more about how
excellent the Lions are or do we think maybe the
defense was in his guy, I'm worried that it's the
and this is my bad fan psychology, that it's the
worst of both. The Lions are so good, which affects
us when we have to play them and their defense
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is still excellent. That's that's the terrible attitude I'm bringing, right.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
I think the Browns defense is excellent. Yeah, I really do.
What Packer game? I don't did they.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Blocked excellent, very fun Packers at a field goal to win,
they block it, they turn it the other way, they
go down, they kick a field goal at the gun,
they win the game.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I know, I just wanted to hear it again. I
think that their defense is the real deal. So I
think that if we get the right scheme, I think
that they are beatable. They've been they right, They're proven
to be beatable.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Yeah, I think so, And I wonder that brings me
back to my point is when you're playing a defense
that good and you have an O line that is
dealing with what it's dealing with. I think this is
one of those games, Like even though the Browns might
not have a great record, I think it's a pretty
unique challenge. Yeah, you know, I saw in some publication
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the Vikings were ranked across the board the best coaching
staff when you took all the coordinators and the head
coach into consideration in the league. And I think that
wasn't necessarily like universal, but a lot of people supported that.
And then I think on ESPN last week they were
they were having the conversation if you were having a
coach's draft right now, like who would you take first?
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In Greenee's all in on koc So I think this
is going to be one of those moments. It would
be such a feather in the cap of the team
and the coachings if you can get this win dealing
with the things you're dealing with from an injury standpoint
against the thing that they bring in, which is a
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defense that could completely no matter what you're capable of
on both sides, they can control the game. If their
line is playing really well, and our line is struggling
due to injuries. So if you can to your point,
if you somehow scheme up a way to be really
successful this game, and then you can go home, and
you get into bye week, and you go in three
and two. Now I want now we get to play.
The fun game is now we play. We got a
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few matchups in a row where nobody thinks we're gonna win.
You go into that Egos game, that Ravens game, that
Lions game. I think a lot of people are gonna
Now you go steal a couple of those. You're right
back on a really fun path. So I unique challenge.
But if the coaching staff can pull it off, this
one would be who And.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
I'm gonna throw this out there. I'm gonna throw this
out there. I have airline tickets purchased from Minneapolis to London,
Chicago to London, Madison, Wisconsin to London. I am willing
to go in for a play if you need me,
no contract needed. I'm just willing to give an offensive
lineman a breather. We're gonna need a rollout package at
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that point because I'm just gonna I'm just gonna turn
my body and get pummeled. And that's fine, but it's
gonna it's going to delay them seconds.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Can I ask you? Because I think what you're I
love it, and I've thought about this for you for
a while now ever since you joined the show. Is
this show the path for you to become an asset
for the team, like you know in baseball? Like you remember
in Major League, one of our favorite movies where they
send dorn In to get hit by the pitch.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yes, that's me, that's you. That's exactly me. I am
the Roger dorn for these Minnesota Vikings. Use me however
you need to use me.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
And here's where I think I need to use you.
I need here's the thing. What's the Toby Key song?
Yan't as good as he once was, but you're as
good once as he ever was. Come on, brother, I
say we get you on a screen, right, because here's
the thing. Even at your advanced age, you got a
quick A to B. Once you get to B, you
can't go to C.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
A lot of breathing, A lot of breathing at B.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Yeah, I think it was a really hard route to
be for you. Yeah, but you got there and everybody went, oh,
he gets to be quick. Let's see what happens next.
I'm thank you.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
I stay at B.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
So if we run a sc and I'm not a coach,
I don't know how to draw stuff up, but I'm saying,
if we run one of those screens where that center
has to pull out, so Chad's playing center, center has
to pull out, if you can get from A to
B and you could just sacrifice your body into a
mild Garrett or one of these linebackers one play, what
happens to you. I don't know the consequences to your legs,
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your elbows, your nose. I don't know, but I think
that's a good story to tell. I think we'd all
be very proud of you, and you can get a
nice breather. You set up one good play. Minnesota is
Vince Papali. I love it.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Here is my pitch to the coaches. I went to
a community college in Fergus Falls, and the nose tackle
for the team was all conference and one time, during
a pickup football game after the season, I went up
against him. I was center, I was snapping the ball,
no big deal of shotgun formation, and he chopped my
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arm at the elbow, and I thought my spine had snapped.
So I've been in this situation before. I'm happy to
do it again for these vikings. You have my number,
use it.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Let's see. Because you remember, when you're young, neither of
us actually played football. You play backyard football with your friends,
and I remember thinking like, man, I'm like cause I
think I was a little bigger than some of the
people we played besides a little hard to tackle, and
you get a little so I kind of had this
idea like, oh, I can really, I can run, I
can catch, I'm hard to take down. I'm like one
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of the better guys out here. And then we played
with this guy Ray, who played high school and junior
college football. Same thing. And I make a catch and
I'm coming up the sideline, I might do what I
normally do, which is I'm not going on a bout.
I'm just gonna try to run through him, and I
hit him, and I think I have health problems to
day for that collection.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah, it's a different thing. It's a different violence.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
I think he didn't think about it. The moment I
went and fell to the ground, he just it was
gone from his brain forever. But I think it certainly
affects me to this day.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Oh there's no quote. You get tackled like that and
you go, you know what, put my feet in stirrups.
The wind has been knocked out of me. And I
need about two and a half minutes.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Let's do game prediction. So let's do let's do score prediction. Okay,
let's do a player prediction, and let's do personal prediction.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Okay, score prediction. I need you to know lately we've
been I know, I know, I need you to know
that I really do think this Cleveland defense is the
real deal. So I'm going Vikings ninety five, Brown seventeen.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
I love it. I now I have a little different
opinion than you do. I am very worried about the
offensive line. Okay, and so I think with Miles Garrett
is so good Schwartz. I believe it's still their coordinaty
just he's such a good pressure guy, and with you
know a lot of backups that offensive line. So I
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think it's probably one hundred and twenty eight to eleven.
I'm thinking somewhere in that range they get into eight
into three.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
I forgot about Miles Garrett. Good call.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
What you got for a player.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
This This is gonna be crazy, but I'm gonna go
with Max Brosemer. I'm gonna tell you why he's in
because we have such a big lead.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
So you're you, you think we're gonna see some Max Brosemer.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I think he's gonna go. I think he's gonna go
six for eight over seventy yards.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
I love it. I am going to go. I'm gonna go.
I think last week was the start to what we're
gonna see this week because Jefferson got a lot of
targets played really well. I think we're gonna see the
Addison game. I think we're gonna see I don't know
if I'm going two touchdowns from Addison. From a personal
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prediction standpoint, I think when we come back together to
do this show again because it's bye week and then
we have the Eagles, which the great Blake Wexler, who's
been on the show a ton of times, he'll be
filling in for you because we like to talk to
him about Eagles, So you're gonna get a couple of
weeks off. I believe that, regardless of how this game
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turns out, when we come back together for the next
time for that show. I think people are going to
feel the energy and positivity and vibe between us that
they felt week one.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah, that's true. You know I love this Addison call.
And then I think you're right. Two touchdowns. That sounds
he's going to put the jets on. There's no question.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Two touchdowns. That's going to do it for us, everybody
on the show. Thanks to Chad for joining. Thanks to
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
The recket recket for bed. Come ready.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I'm here, Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of The Tailgate,
brought to you by Ticketmaster. It's me, your host, cy Onminson,
sitting across from me, your co host, the Great Chad Daniels.
Your favorite team is still over in Europe. They're recovering
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from a loss in Ireland. They're headed England way, and
now we got to get one before we come home. Chad,
this is a I don't want to be dramatic. I
don't want to start the show. I'm dramatic too often,
so I don't want to start the show dramatic. But
like I always assume, to fly home after a loss
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sucks and the only experience I have. We both grew
up rural, didn't go to a lot of sporting events
as little kids. I went to my first Viking game,
I believe I was a senior in high school, and
we want it, But I always had that thing like
if we'd have lost, that three and a half hour
drive home with a loss hits a lot different in
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your face paint than the twenty minute drive back to
a dina. And that's that's what I think about with
these England games, Like, dude, if you take an L
in England and then they're like, well, now let's traverse
the globe as losers. Ugh, don't don't care for it.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I know you don't believe in jet lag with pfe athletes,
but I think this is going to be great. That
they're sitting over do you do it? That's because you
told me last week. So I think that they're going
to be great sitting over there practicing in their normal time,
because I think it would be horrible to have to
take that flight home. Because I remember going from Minneapolis
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to Fergus Falls after the Timberwolves got destroyed by the
Bulls and they should have and I didn't even get
to see Michael Jordan because my back was against the metrodome. Ceiling,
and so there are those times. But I will tell
you the first time ever came to a Twins game,
we parked for some reason way over on the campus
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and I got to see two people kiss for the
first time ever live that weren't my parents, And that
was a pretty cool trip home.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
What an origin story for you and how you think
you did?
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I think it's more not even worrying about the players.
So our normal producer, Jay Nelson is not with us today.
We have sub producers, and honestly, they're gunning for the job.
I think they're doing great. They're gunning for the job,
and it feels like they have a chance.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Well, because I did hear when we brought Jay up,
both of them at the same time, said jab.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I heard one of them go, so the h he
flew He flew over there for the Ireland game, I'm sure,
and he wasn't there for a full week of hanging
out in Ireland. He's like, I'm gonna go there as
a fan even though he works for the team. And
then we lost and then they were like, hey, you know,
your normal flight no longer happening. We're gonna send you
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on a side flight. Four hours the wrong way and
then all the way back. That's a tough when you
love a football team, that's a tough draw to be
going the wrong way across the globe. So I do
have a lot of friends who are going to the
England game. And yeah, I mean not just for myself
or sake of needing the team to win, because the
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schedule coming up. Daddy, Yeah, you need.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
You need to get on the right side of the
scales of justice. There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Before we see the Eagles, Ravens and Lions.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Oh my yes, I think we could take Ravens out
of there. Listen, thanks Dereck Henry in fantasy this year
and guess what hard pass. Listen to this. So I
love that Jay is telling everybody that the airline did this,
when really he just needed a long layover in Amsterdam.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
After that long we get it feels like he needed
more than anything, a break from the two of us.
It feels personal. H No, Probably we play the Steelers.
I don't care for the Steelers like I don't mind,
but we have a lot We talked about this last week.
They've had a lot of success. I don't need to
root even if I like Mike Tomlin, even if I
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like our friends who like the Steelers, I don't need
to root for the Steelers. Now the Browns much like
the Bengals in this AFC North run we're on. If
there is any fan base that I think comes toe
to toe with the miser of the Minnesota fan, it
is it is the Clear and I think they get
the I think they have the upper hand. I think
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had Lebron James never been there, had they not won
that Like, sure, you know the Guardians have won some titles,
but I think specifically in football, they have a hand
at a table right next to ours with the oh my,
oh my gosh, this is terrible and we are we're
miserable when we've been close so many times because I
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think when you are one of those teams who's who've like,
never won anything, and I wonder if this is the
same way if the Niners have this or the Steelers
have this, but we have memorable moments with names that
went against us. Yeah, right, the Hail Mary was invented
against us, the Hail Mary game, right, the kick, the
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Gary Anderson kicks. So the Browns, I mean, you want
to talk about taking an iconic name like blow like
at a really hard time twice in row. So it's
eighty seven like that is the drive. That's the John
Lay And I think we have a lot of people
who are younger who like maybe know what that is.
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They've heard it. But to break the specifics of that down,
there are five minutes and forty three seconds left. The
Browns score to go up twenty thirteen, and then this
dude ken Bell misplays the ensuing kickoff and it's on
the two yard line. They've got to go ninety eight
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yards to tie. Now, every Viking fan right now is going, well,
of course they're gonna, but I don't. That's not what
other people feel. No one in Seattle feels that. That's
what we feel, and that's what the Browns feel. So
that's the iconic Lway drive horrible, right.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
And when you we're saying things like the drive, think
of how many drives there have been and this is
the drive, the drive, and everyone knows this is like
when you say Madonna or Share, everybody knows what you're
talking about. That's an embarrassing field.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
This one's if you think that's bad. So they right,
they losing that AFC Championship game. They were prime to
go to the super Bowl. But there's this feeling obviously
in Cleveland. The time is they had a very good
team and they will be back, and they did get
back to another AFC Championship game and they are on
it's They drove to the Denver eight yard line with
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a minute twelve left, right Bernie Cosar hands it off
to Ernest Beiner. He bounces, he bounces back outside and
he fumbles and they lose that game. It's like a
like I said, a minute twelve remaining that is forever
referred to as the fumble.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
That's yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Of all the fumbles, you're the fumble that sucks. I
couldn't even think of what the vite. I know what
the pick is. When you say, if somebody were to
say the interception, do you do you go to the
right place as a Viking fan, don't know farther across
the body for me.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Oh, I mean that's a big I mean, but you
know what I was. Also, you'd say the fumble, and
I have a bunch of other ideas.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Sure, can I tell you?
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I think they just got it early. That's that's what's
happening here?
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Can you the other thing that I do? And you're
a huge hockey guy, so this is relevant to watch
a beloved team move from a city and have that
owner become a villain to the city like we did
with the north Stars, the the Browns moving and that
whole song, like, but I'm not as big a hockey
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guy if you have. The Dallas Stars won a title.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, and let me tell you, let me tell you
that we yeah, we almost well, we were right there.
We we were on the doorstep. And that's the year
they moved. And my first my first album. Instead of
a thank you list, it's a letter to Norm Green
for moving the team, and it's not great. I had
to put it on the inside.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Also our city because of that. No one ever talks
about this, because I don't think anybody cares about team
names as much as I do. But we had the
shot at having I like, in my opinion, the iconic
collection of team names. Had no one ever been moved
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right right the north Stars. I believe the Minnesota north
Stars was the best team name in the entire NHL.
That is my personal opinion. It sucks that it's the
Dallas Stars. I think that's horrific, I but also maybe
the greatest name in the history of professional sports, and
it still is because they went on to all their success.
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But the Minneapolis Lakers the Lakers, we could be the
Minneapolis Lakers, the Minnesota Vikings, the Minnesota north Stars, and
the Minnesota Twins.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
That's pretty It's untouchable for names.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
It's untouchable for names, and yet it feels so touchable
for lack of titles. Here's what I will say though,
like and now, because I think if you're trying to
pick out the teams in the NFL that I think
we can share misery with and root for, it's a
very small list. You and I both love the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Bills, yeah, owen foreign Super Bowls just like the virus.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Really really really easy to root for them. The Detroit Lions,
even though they're in the same division, Like, until we're eliminated,
I want them to lose. But once we're eliminated, as
long as it's not by them, you know, Like I
think the Lions, and then I think it's the Bengals.
It's the Bengals and the Browns because some of the
other ones that have struggled, like the Jags and some
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other players like there's just not the the long history
where with the Vikings, And I think this is the
same way with the Browns. Had you been successful, had
you want to had the I'm of the firm belief
we've talked about this before, had you won two of
those Super Bowls, and going back to that Hail Mary
game that fran Tarkentin says that was the he believes
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that was his envy season. He thinks that's the best
team they ever had. So that would have been a
fifth super Bowl trip. And if you even win two titles,
I think we are in the conversation with the Packers Niners.
You know, Steelers, Cowboys, the more iconic franchise, and the
Browns had a couple of big misses in that same way.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, and I don't think you. I think these cities
that you're talking about they can't win. I mean, I
believe that they could talent wise, but I'm saying for
the fan base, you can't. It's so cold in Minnesota,
it's so cold in Buffalo, it's cold in Cleveland. These
are all you know, started off as blue collar cities.
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Cincinnati at two cities in Ohio, and the fan base
needs to go to work and they need to get up,
and they need while they're while they're trying to start
their car when it's twenty below zero, they need to
be able to say, well, at least we're not the Browns.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
You know, you're saying, you're saying, the Browns need to
keep losing so we can have see.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
I'm saying everybody, I'm saying, I'm just saying, like, it
is interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
When the Browns go at least we're not the Vikings,
and the Vikings go at least we're not the Lions,
and the Bills go at least we're not the Bengals.
Like it's just a circular. What I would say is
it's really interesting getting to know all these other fan
bases when you kind of do this on a week
to week basis, because that same misery the Bills oh
for four, the Vikings oh for four with the championship loss,
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the Browns, the move their losses, the Lions, the thirties,
everybody handles it really differently. It's almost like, you know,
the this is this metaphor sucks Chad. But do you
remember the movie The Mask?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Of course?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
So when uh, when the mask would go on whatever
was inside that. Like Jim Carey was silly, so he
became a cartoon character. Dorian Gray was evil, so he
became you know, big evil guy. The mask kind of
elevates the personality of the person to this large level.
I think that's what losing does to a city where
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Minnesota is so passive aggressive, yeah, and so like friendly
not friendly. We become Charlie Brown where you go to
the Browns, like we're constantly tricked by Hope where every season,
Here's what I'm gonna tell you, whether it's Carson Wentz
or JJ McCarthy, first touchdown that gets thrown on Sunday
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against the Browns, a large percentage of our fan base
to be like here we go, and then the first
mistake we make that same large percentage of go, well
it happened again. It happened again. Like we ride, we
ride the wave, whereas like the Browns they stand so
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far on shore trash talking the way. Whereas in Buffalo, Oh,
they're like, what if I put my emotion through this
table with my body exactly. It's interesting to see how
each city puts the mask on to close the metaphor
thank you it was a good one.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Well you were. I think you're absolutely correct. That metaphor sucked. Now.
I used to have to watch the Vikings with a
certain group of people, and the leader of that group
of people, I'm telling you, if if the kickoff return
wasn't to the twenty yard line, he would go now
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game's over. It was super fun.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
So I do know what you're talking about the US.
If that is a shot at me, I don't believe
it to be accurate. So I'm really I know that
I'm up and down a lot, but that can't be
about me.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
You are up and down in a completely different way.
That's laughable. This was just annoying. This is nine.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
That's great. It feels good. Normally the shots are so
veiled that it's hard for me to see through them
to see if they hit my torso or not.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Well, I think it's because you have so many unlikable
qualities that you always think a negative comment is about you.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
That brother, pot, why don't you lay off the kettle
for a second. Here the Browns and Vikings like they do,
despite having like similar misery, there is also kind of
an intense history. I mean, that's the miracle at the
met game. That's I think because it happened so long
ago and the Browns that we don't play a lot,
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but I mean twenty three to nine fourth quarter vikings,
they score a touchdown with two remaining, and the interesting
thing about that game is, I think everybody thinks it
was like it wasn't a just well and then they
got the on side kick. They didn't get the on
side kick, but the Browns get a penalty. They end
up having a punt and that's the old Oki dokie
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Hail Mary tip Ahmad Rashad game winning touchdown. Man. That
is a the Browns have been at the bottom of
like we're kind of also the team who ended their
I guess I caught like the Browns were really successful
up through the eighties. That was their kind of first
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run and we really put it on them back in
eighty like twenty eight, twenty three and kind of kind
of put them down and signified the beginning of a
streak where the Browns would not win a playoff game
until I believe the eighty six eighty six yep. Yeah,
and then that would lead and now to time hot
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back that would lead them the other direction. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
It is It is fun to do stuff like that
because you have people come in, you know, they come
to Minnesota from other teams that they're fans of, and
they go, well, if you won a super Bowl, and
then you have to pull out obscure facts like no,
but we did make sure the Browns didn't win a
playoff game for six years. Nice?
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Try welcome. Let's talk about miracle at the met that
didn't lead to a super Bowl, or the minute Soda
miracle that didn't lead to a super Bowl, or ninety
eight that didn't lead to a super Bowl. I think
I'm not smart enough to answer this, and I don't
think we should. We need to talk about the game.
I don't think we should spend our time on this.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
But I.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Wonder when you start talking about close chances, what in
any of the pro sports. Obviously the Red Sox and
obviously the Cubs, but those are both won. Now, yep,
what in terms of not just not winning a title.
It's us and the Bills. But have the Bills had
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We have the four loss super Bowls, and we have
the iconic like Gary Anderson kick, you know, we have
the iconic Farv interception. I think we probably have more
chances than it. The Knicks have a few, but they
haven't been success. I don't think you know, John Stark's
almost hitting that three, but I don't think anyone else
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in any pro sport is even close.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, but you look the fan base of the Red
Sox and the Cubs, and they didn't know what to
do when they won. There was nothing to complain about.
There was no more like they went to bed confused.
So I mean we still have that, We still have that.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
The Socks went on such a run. Can I tell
you something with confidence? If we transition to a dynasty
phase the way the Red Sox did, where you're just
competitive forever and you win a few twos like, I
think I will handle that well. I think I will
move from the misery to the unlikable wins too much
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team like. But I think you're right. Boston and the
Cubs fans struggled with that. Not me.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
They struggle. I'm not going to struggle either. I have
spent so much time in therapy talking about my family,
but now what I spend it on is how am
I going to sleep correctly in February after we win
the Super Bowl? That is a lot of my sessions.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Yeah, absolutely can't agree more. Can I tell you one
more thing about Cleveland before we do the game, please?
I do think it's an underrated city. I know it's
had its Hey, the lake caught on fire moments and
it's been a little It was a river.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
I'm just gonna throw it out. It was a river.
A lot of cities will put on fire.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Works like Eerie didn't like Erie catch on fire.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Well maybe because the river. I don't know. Maybe the
crow that was fiction.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah, but I think they reference it anyways. Yeah, it's
the river. Go ahead, it's the river.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
No, I'm just saying, like a lot of you know,
it's it's congratulations to them for saying like, we see
your fireworks and we raise you a river on fire.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I love the people that I think some of the
best comedy crowds. We both do comedy, some of the best. Yeah,
I and an interesting I think we were talking about
that personality, an interestingly loyal group of people that whether
the sports built it or not. I remember I was
performing at one of the best clubs in America. Hilarity
that we both love absolutely.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Nick is top shelf.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
The kitchen caught on fire and the power went out
and we had to finish the show in the dark.
And the second show, they were willing to get people
their money back, or they could go stand out in
the alley and they'd put a speaker out there and
I would perform out in the alley and Everybody's like, well,
we wanted to do comedy, and they all watched an
alley show. So I think there's a perseverance to the city.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Now, let me ask you, did the kitchen really start
on fire or is this like Lake Erie? Yeah, it
did start on fire, Okay, I do think. Now let
me ask you this question. Is Cleveland going to be
a great comedy city if the Browns win a Super Bowl?
Because right now you know they Cleveland fans. Can they
they come to the comedy show and they take a
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joke and they laugh at themselves and everything is really fun.
If they win, can they laugh at themselves? Or now
are they like, hey, not interested in you making fun
of us? We won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I don't think we should worry about that.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
No, I'm guess what. I haven't talked about that in
therapy ever.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
What have you ever been to the Christmas story House there?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
No? I have not, but I know it's there, and
I think it's interesting because across the street here is
a like a really well known dive bar, and that's
not in the movie.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
No, correct, it absolutely is not the there's two I didn't.
I was gonna go this year when I did Hilarities.
And then also on the way, did you know that
on the way, not far from Cleveland, you can go
visit the actual Shawshank.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
No, yeah, now, like it was in the northeast.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
The guy who is opening for me, who I like
a great deal, sure, showed up just late enough that
it put us just behind enough that I couldn't go
to Shawshank and send my dad a video from Shawshank,
which has scored me some huge sun points. But yeah,
it's it's a good city. But I want him to
lose Chad. I do too.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
We need this one. We got to have this one.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
The injury thing is getting out of control, and I don't.
I never dislike how dumb I am more than when
because you meet these people in the medical field who
you hear what the injuries do a football player, and
they go, here's what's happening here. You know, our friend Eric,
who's a physical therapist. He goes, that's I would guess
he's gonna be out this week. And by the way,
no matter what teams say around the league, he always
(22:27):
nails it almost exactly.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah, I'll call him before fantasy my lineup because a
cube by my guy. I don't care about that. I
don't care what anybody has to say except him.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Let's get Eric's opinion on this. The O line thing
is nuts, I think, yeah, no kidding. I don't know
how you deal with that. I know that when you're
in Europe it's hard to get someone in there for
some extra depth. So with such a well, let me
ask before I say that, let me ask you this
(22:58):
because I think going into these because the Cleveland just
got smoked by Detroit and they took a seven er
lead and then it was an avalanche going into that game.
They you know, fewest yards per game two hundred and four.
And it's not like they were playing nobody's They played
Joe Burrow in week one. That's a very good team.
(23:20):
I think they had the Ravens and the Packers, so
that's a very legit schedule. But the Lions, their offense
going into the game was ranked second in scoring first
in EPA per play, and so I was very curious
to see what happened when those forces met one another,
and it was a crushing by the Lions. So my
(23:43):
question to you, as a guy who watches a lot
of football, do we think that is more about how
excellent the Lions are or do we think maybe the
defense was in his guy, I'm worried that it's the
and this is my bad fan psychology, that it's the
worst of both. The Lions are so good, which affects
us when we have to play them and their defense
(24:05):
is still excellent. That's that's the terrible attitude I'm bringing, right.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
I think the Browns defense is excellent. Yeah, I really do.
What Packer game? I don't did they.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Blocked excellent, very fun Packers at a field goal to win,
they block it, they turn it the other way, they
go down, they kick a field goal at the gun,
they win the game.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I know, I just wanted to hear it again. I
think that their defense is the real deal. So I
think that if we get the right scheme, I think
that they are beatable. They've been they right, They're proven
to be beatable.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Yeah, I think so, And I wonder that brings me
back to my point is when you're playing a defense
that good and you have an O line that is
dealing with what it's dealing with. I think this is
one of those games, Like even though the Browns might
not have a great record, I think it's a pretty
unique challenge. Yeah, you know, I saw in some publication
(25:02):
the Vikings were ranked across the board the best coaching
staff when you took all the coordinators and the head
coach into consideration in the league. And I think that
wasn't necessarily like universal, but a lot of people supported that.
And then I think on ESPN last week they were
they were having the conversation if you were having a
coach's draft right now, like who would you take first?
(25:25):
In Greenee's all in on koc So I think this
is going to be one of those moments. It would
be such a feather in the cap of the team
and the coachings if you can get this win dealing
with the things you're dealing with from an injury standpoint
against the thing that they bring in, which is a
(25:47):
defense that could completely no matter what you're capable of
on both sides, they can control the game. If their
line is playing really well, and our line is struggling
due to injuries. So if you can to your point,
if you somehow scheme up a way to be really
successful this game, and then you can go home, and
you get into bye week, and you go in three
and two. Now I want now we get to play.
The fun game is now we play. We got a
(26:08):
few matchups in a row where nobody thinks we're gonna win.
You go into that Egos game, that Ravens game, that
Lions game. I think a lot of people are gonna
Now you go steal a couple of those. You're right
back on a really fun path. So I unique challenge.
But if the coaching staff can pull it off, this
one would be who And.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
I'm gonna throw this out there. I'm gonna throw this
out there. I have airline tickets purchased from Minneapolis to London,
Chicago to London, Madison, Wisconsin to London. I am willing
to go in for a play if you need me,
no contract needed. I'm just willing to give an offensive
lineman a breather. We're gonna need a rollout package at
(26:48):
that point because I'm just gonna I'm just gonna turn
my body and get pummeled. And that's fine, but it's
gonna it's going to delay them seconds.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Can I ask you? Because I think what you're I
love it, and I've thought about this for you for
a while now ever since you joined the show. Is
this show the path for you to become an asset
for the team, like you know in baseball? Like you remember
in Major League, one of our favorite movies where they
send dorn In to get hit by the pitch.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yes, that's me, that's you. That's exactly me. I am
the Roger dorn for these Minnesota Vikings. Use me however
you need to use me.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
And here's where I think I need to use you.
I need here's the thing. What's the Toby Key song?
Yan't as good as he once was, but you're as
good once as he ever was. Come on, brother, I
say we get you on a screen, right, because here's
the thing. Even at your advanced age, you got a
quick A to B. Once you get to B, you
can't go to C.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
A lot of breathing, A lot of breathing at B.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Yeah, I think it was a really hard route to
be for you. Yeah, but you got there and everybody went, oh,
he gets to be quick. Let's see what happens next.
I'm thank you.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
I stay at B.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
So if we run a sc and I'm not a coach,
I don't know how to draw stuff up, but I'm saying,
if we run one of those screens where that center
has to pull out, so Chad's playing center, center has
to pull out, if you can get from A to
B and you could just sacrifice your body into a
mild Garrett or one of these linebackers one play, what
happens to you. I don't know the consequences to your legs,
(28:27):
your elbows, your nose. I don't know, but I think
that's a good story to tell. I think we'd all
be very proud of you, and you can get a
nice breather. You set up one good play. Minnesota is
Vince Papali. I love it.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Here is my pitch to the coaches. I went to
a community college in Fergus Falls, and the nose tackle
for the team was all conference and one time, during
a pickup football game after the season, I went up
against him. I was center, I was snapping the ball,
no big deal of shotgun formation, and he chopped my
(29:04):
arm at the elbow, and I thought my spine had snapped.
So I've been in this situation before. I'm happy to
do it again for these vikings. You have my number,
use it.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Let's see. Because you remember, when you're young, neither of
us actually played football. You play backyard football with your friends,
and I remember thinking like, man, I'm like cause I
think I was a little bigger than some of the
people we played besides a little hard to tackle, and
you get a little so I kind of had this
idea like, oh, I can really, I can run, I
can catch, I'm hard to take down. I'm like one
(29:39):
of the better guys out here. And then we played
with this guy Ray, who played high school and junior
college football. Same thing. And I make a catch and
I'm coming up the sideline, I might do what I
normally do, which is I'm not going on a bout.
I'm just gonna try to run through him, and I
hit him, and I think I have health problems to
day for that collection.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah, it's a different thing. It's a different violence.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
I think he didn't think about it. The moment I
went and fell to the ground, he just it was
gone from his brain forever. But I think it certainly
affects me to this day.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Oh there's no quote. You get tackled like that and
you go, you know what, put my feet in stirrups.
The wind has been knocked out of me. And I
need about two and a half minutes.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Let's do game prediction. So let's do let's do score prediction. Okay,
let's do a player prediction, and let's do personal prediction.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Okay, score prediction. I need you to know lately we've
been I know, I know, I need you to know
that I really do think this Cleveland defense is the
real deal. So I'm going Vikings ninety five, Brown seventeen.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
I love it. I now I have a little different
opinion than you do. I am very worried about the
offensive line. Okay, and so I think with Miles Garrett
is so good Schwartz. I believe it's still their coordinaty
just he's such a good pressure guy, and with you
know a lot of backups that offensive line. So I
(31:14):
think it's probably one hundred and twenty eight to eleven.
I'm thinking somewhere in that range they get into eight
into three.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
I forgot about Miles Garrett. Good call.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
What you got for a player.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
This This is gonna be crazy, but I'm gonna go
with Max Brosemer. I'm gonna tell you why he's in
because we have such a big lead.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
So you're you, you think we're gonna see some Max Brosemer.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I think he's gonna go. I think he's gonna go
six for eight over seventy yards.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
I love it. I am going to go. I'm gonna go.
I think last week was the start to what we're
gonna see this week because Jefferson got a lot of
targets played really well. I think we're gonna see the
Addison game. I think we're gonna see I don't know
if I'm going two touchdowns from Addison. From a personal
(32:05):
prediction standpoint, I think when we come back together to
do this show again because it's bye week and then
we have the Eagles, which the great Blake Wexler, who's
been on the show a ton of times, he'll be
filling in for you because we like to talk to
him about Eagles, So you're gonna get a couple of
weeks off. I believe that, regardless of how this game
(32:25):
turns out, when we come back together for the next
time for that show. I think people are going to
feel the energy and positivity and vibe between us that
they felt week one.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah, that's true. You know I love this Addison call.
And then I think you're right. Two touchdowns. That sounds
he's going to put the jets on. There's no question.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Two touchdowns. That's going to do it for us, everybody
on the show. Thanks to Chad for joining. Thanks to
you guys for listening to our podcast. Well you're here,
give us a review. It would help a lot. Do
the stars write the thing down. We would appreciate it.
It makes a big difference. Huge shout out to ticket Master,
the official ticket marketplace of the Minnesota Vikings, for helping
make this show happen. Enjoy the game, everybody,
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