November 27, 2024 • 13 mins
On this episode of Twentyman in the Huddle podcast presented by Microsoft, Tim Twentyman is joined by John Niyo, previewing Detroit’s annual Thanksgiving Day Classic with the Chicago Bears coming to town for an important NFC North matchup.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
There's the snap hands to Montgomery bounce, this left fights,
the angles hands touch down. Detroit Lions. Welcome to Week
thirteen of the NFL season. They twenty in the podcast.
I am to twenty men, and I welcome in John Neo,
columnists for the Detroit News. This is the three key
segment and John, this Lions team just keeps on rolling.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
It's kind of crazy. I mean, Week thirteen sounds crazy
as it is, but yeah, no, to have a team
ten and one, first time since nineteen. We keep doing that.
But there's a reason why we keep doing it because
this is rare air that they're in and they don't
show any signs of slowing down.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Before we start. I don't know if a lot of
people know this about me and you.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
That's right, is that we've seen some things.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
We have seen some things. So you know, I was
covering high school sports and kind of a general assignment
guy before I was assigned to the Detroit Lions beat
in two thousand and nine. Well, John Neo just had
to be the I was eat writer. He was the
number one guy and I was the number two. And
I just want to tell you that that first season
I did learn a lot in.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
That, and I shouldn't that I took over from the
great Michael here the year before. Yes, Mike took a
buyout at the News in two thousand after two thousand
and seven, So I took over in two thousand and eight,
did the Olympics in two thousand and eight, and then
came back just in time for in sixteen, and Mike,
as Mike will do, dubbed me John three sixteen all
(01:33):
sorts of anyway. No, yes, it was a learning experience
for me and then for you as well.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah, but I appreciated that first year you went on,
you were you were calumnist, You're promoted a columnist the
following year. I was took this job a year and
a half later, and all these years later, here we are,
we are podcast together.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
And here the lions are. That's the I mean, to
be honest. That is the part that you know, for
reference points, you just you always go back to some
of those times, you know, yeah, this isn't the way
it used to be, and sometimes you have to remind people, Yeah,
there was a before, and the before looked nothing like this.
This is fun, though, Yeah's absolutely come. That's why these
(02:10):
fans are twenty thousand, thirty thousand on the road. I
mean they are They've been waiting generations to experience something
like this too.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Well, they hope to keep it rolling and to do that.
There's some keys to Sunday's game. Let's get into it
into a few of them. I think first off is
you've got another young quarterback coming in in Caleb Williams,
who is playing much better ball. They made a switch
at offensive coordinator earlier this month. I think that's had
an effect on his play. He threw for three hundred
and forty yards, two touchdowns, no interceptions, and overtime loss
(02:41):
last week. But to me, I think it's important for
this Lion's defense to do to Caleb Williams what they
did to Anthony Richardson for this week. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
No, the pressure Now, the Colts obviously were playing a
bunch of rookies on the offensive line. I don't think
the Bears offensive line has that. You're gonna have maybe
that same advantage you had last week, And you'd mentioned
Caleb Williams has done a good job of not throwing
interceptions this year for a rookie quarterback, but he is
still a rookie quarterback. And one thing he does do,
and he saw it at the end of that game
(03:10):
against the Vikings last week, he'll just hang onto the
ball way too long and take some sacks and do
his offensive line no favors. And so that's the sort
of thing where if you see that happen a few
times in critical situations, that could be the difference in Sundays.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
In Thursday's game, in this Detroit Lions defense, they rushed
hurried richardson eleven times. I think they hit him six.
I thought they really did a nice time disguising coverage
for sure behind it, you know. So not only did
they speed them up, but then they change some things
up and confused them a little bit. And to your point,
young quarterbacks will hang on to the football, we'll maybe
panic a little bit, what is this and you need
(03:46):
another second to decipher it? Well, in this league, don't
have another second, especially with Alee McNeil coming at your
right exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
And those two guys DJ Reader and Lee McNeil had
a great game against the goal. But there to your point,
there was also there was a couple of snaps where
you saw both defensive tackles dropping into coverage too. I
mean it's like Aaron Lyne was messing with him. But no,
that is and look you're gonna have some maybe shuffling
again in the secondary depending on injuries for the Lions.
But that front I thought looked really good against the Colts,
(04:13):
and you would expect something similar I think on Thursday.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
So do the same thing they did to Anthony Richard,
get after him, confuse a young quarterback a little bit,
and take advantage of those mistakes. No, for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Look he's got weapons. He's got some good weapons on offense,
and he's got a better arm, I mean, a more
accurate arm than Anthony Richards, and so he can make
some plays if you give him time. But that's gonna
be the key is not giving them time.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
And one thing I just watching some of the film
on Chicago and looking at some of the stations. We'll
get into some other ones here in a minute. But
does that seem like a four and seventeam to you?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
No, it is, No, it isn't. Look they were for
and two to start the season, then they had their
Bible and they haven't won since their bi week. Now
these last two weeks they've looked a lot better against
division opponents good at division opponents, but there is still
some thing missing there and we've seen that here with
the Lions, especially with the young quarterback. It just takes
time to figure out how to win in this league
(05:08):
and they haven't figured that out yet.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Overtime loss, blocked field. Yeah, they hail Mary and Washington.
So I mean a couple of bounces seven four football
team and this looks like a much different matchup.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Again, like the last two weeks, it's been against two
really good teams in Green Band, Minnesota too, so it
looked much better.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
All right, another one. The records don't look similar, but
the red zone statistics with these teams are you know,
every week, I you know, post out the rankings comparison
to each and they're so different. But then you looked
at the red zone both offensively and defensively for these
teams and they're almost identical, and they're two of the
best red zone offenses and defenses in the league. Look,
(05:48):
you know, as well as I do, turnovers, red zone play,
and third down those are probably the three key statistics
to winning and losing in the NFL. And if you
can convert those red zone situations to get those four
extra points of the biggest difference in the game. Last week,
Detroit was three for four in the red zone, the
Colts were over two. That's the biggest difference in that game,
(06:09):
and so I think that's going to be huge this
week too. Bear's number Lions number two with red zone
defense forty percent, Bears number four at forty one percent.
Both have four red zone interceptions hyper second league. These
are two defenses that really they give up yards, but
when it comes to the red zone, they're really terrific.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
It into your again. I mean, the only reason why
the Lions aren't undefeated right now is the red zone offense.
I mean, in the Tampa game is where you know,
Ben Johnson and company went back to the drawing board.
They were super frustrated after that game because of the
red zone inefficiency. Since then, they've been lights out, and
I think that the one difference. Again, going back to
(06:48):
the quarterback, You've got a veteran in Jared Goff who
knows where to go. I mean, he's got tons of weapons, obviously,
but I think if you look at those red zone
passing numbers, he's probably at seventy seventy five percent percentage
and Caleb Williams is down there closer to fifty to fifty,
So I think that's the difference. And obviously if you've
got David Montgomery and Jamier Gibbs, you've got a lot
(07:10):
of uh and Penay sewell and you know, we could
go down the list. There's a lot of ways that
they can score in that red zone, right, especially that
low red zone.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
And Dan Campbell said it after the game last week
that running the football and stopping the run that's been
the biggest key to their success in the red zone.
They do both things well. One other thing with the
red zone, and to your point about the quarterbacks is
a couple of times last week you saw Jared Goff
just strolled.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Away, Yeah rather no exactly and another day he's done
a great job of that.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
And that's such so huge, especially in the red zone,
is because you know you've got three already, especially with
Jake Bass, so don't force things. And to our point
about young quarterbacks, sometimes they.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Get got to get it exactly, especially when you haven't
scored a bunch of points here this season the way
the Lions have. I mean, Jared Goff knows that I've
got to play next play that's going to work, and
Caleb Williams, I don't don't think has probably felt that
for a lot of this year. Now they do have
a new play caller, et cetera, but I still think
that's you also have look David, we watch him week
(08:08):
after week and we'll see how the injury works this
week with him with the shoulder, but I mean the
tackle breaking that is going on with him is unreal
right now, and you don't see that with DeAndre Swift.
I mean, we know DeAndre Swift from here in his
time with the Lions, but it's a different animal on
the other side in terms of that.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
That's important when everything's tighter right, when everything goloser together
and there's not that space you can make may give
him that you can do that. But this is a
great tackling Detroit Lions team too, so that's also key
in the red zone. The great equal wiser in every
game turnovers. I mean that that's it. And these are
(08:44):
two teams and it's crazy to think that a four
and seven Chicago Bears team and it speaks to some
of the close losses that they've had. The Detroit Lions
are plus nine in turnover differential the Chicago Bears plus
nine for a four and seven team that jumped out
to me as being really really rare. Detroit number six
in takeaways with nineteen Bears number seven eighteen, you know,
(09:09):
fewest giveaways. Detroit's giving the ball away ten times Bears nine.
I mean, they're If there's one thing Williams has done
really really well, and you mentioned it earlier, is not
turning how key is it going to be at home
in this matchup? For sure?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
For sure? Now in the other I mean the other
catch with those stats, as we all saw that Houston
game where Jared Goff just through five interceptions and suddenly
all those numbers go out of whack. They would be
leading the league otherwise. But it's look this defense. You know,
with the injuries they've had on defense, it does get
harder to keep turning the ball over when you've got
(09:47):
guys who are filling in, or guys who are in
different positions or just trying to just trying to get
the play right as opposed to making a play sometimes.
But you see those guys in the secondary, you see Kurry,
Joseph and Brian Branch, it feels like they are just
waiting to pounce on turnovers. And that's the difference I
think you see with them and some other teams because
they know where they are, they know what to play.
(10:08):
I mean, they again we talk about level four oh
one with this Lions team in terms of the consistency,
the scheme, the coordinators of all the players are all
been here, you know for four years now. In some cases. Uh,
you see it in the turnovers because you know they're
able to game and bait and and those kind of things.
And I think you'll see that a little bit on
on Thursday.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I love being up top and watching watching you can
just watch him do it.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
There was another one. It felt like there was another
one coming against the Colts and and you know it
didn't happen, but you could Yeah, we both saw it.
I could see him just waiting and obviously he didn't
get it, but you know that's what he was thinking,
and you know that's probably what was about to happen.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I think him and Brian are probably both the chomping
at the bit for sure for Thursday, because there's going
to be some opportunities and they need to take advantage
of it. Didn't in Indy, you know, had a chance
in an interception, did I know Jack kind of tip
that ball, But Carlton Davis was kind of lamenting after
the game not not take care of that. And look,
this is a two games last year. Jer go through
five interceptions in two games again last year and that
(11:11):
made both those games very close. It was a difference.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
And they do have some defensive guys who playmakers, whether
it's Montes swipt Sweat up front or Jalen Johnson there,
they have guys who will make plays, guys who can
really change a game. And so you do have to
be careful. But again, you've got so many weapons on
the Lions offensive side that I think he's able to
take the easy play and know that that play could
(11:35):
go for fifteen to twenty plus yards easily.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
It should be a fun match and then let's get
a win on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah, no, that's the other part. That's I mean, look,
we've talked about we've seen some things. We saw what
nine straight losses in one stretch with the Lions. This
is you know seven now, and that's you know that's
not okay. Yeah, so I think there is you know,
it's not going to get talked a lot about this week,
but I think that's in the back of everybody's mind.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
One guy who did talk about it, Frank Ragnan, Yeah,
he said, look, I'd like to enjoy it with my family.
He's like, I go home and I'm mad because we lost.
I don't talk to anybody. He's like, can I have
a nice thanks.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
He's talking with Jack Campbello. He's only been through one
of these and now he had Iowa, the Black Friday
game at Iowa, so he isn't not a regular Thanksgiving
a long time, but he was the same way. He's like, yeah,
just kind of sucks when you you know, you want
to be nice. You know it's not their fault, you're
in a bad mood, but it's your fault. But you
are in a bad mood when you lose this game.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Well, can they win ten straight? Can they get in
a good mood on Thanksgiving? Stay at top the NFC?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Which you see And that's the other thing that's as
crazy as this ten in one start is the fact
that they don't have a lot of wiggle room yet
because the Vikings finding ways to win in the Packers.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Keep winning, and the Eagles look pretty dark and they
are right there too. It should be a fun. When
he is John New, you can catch everything of his
Detroit News does a great job him and Wojo over
there column miss where can they find you?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
On Twitter John New, at John Neil at John Neo.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
There it is
There's the snap hands to Montgomery bounce, this left fights,
the angles hands touch down. Detroit Lions. Welcome to Week
thirteen of the NFL season. They twenty in the podcast.
I am to twenty men, and I welcome in John Neo,
columnists for the Detroit News. This is the three key
segment and John, this Lions team just keeps on rolling.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
It's kind of crazy. I mean, Week thirteen sounds crazy
as it is, but yeah, no, to have a team
ten and one, first time since nineteen. We keep doing that.
But there's a reason why we keep doing it because
this is rare air that they're in and they don't
show any signs of slowing down.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Before we start. I don't know if a lot of
people know this about me and you.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
That's right, is that we've seen some things.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
We have seen some things. So you know, I was
covering high school sports and kind of a general assignment
guy before I was assigned to the Detroit Lions beat
in two thousand and nine. Well, John Neo just had
to be the I was eat writer. He was the
number one guy and I was the number two. And
I just want to tell you that that first season
I did learn a lot in.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
That, and I shouldn't that I took over from the
great Michael here the year before. Yes, Mike took a
buyout at the News in two thousand after two thousand
and seven, So I took over in two thousand and eight,
did the Olympics in two thousand and eight, and then
came back just in time for in sixteen, and Mike,
as Mike will do, dubbed me John three sixteen all
(01:33):
sorts of anyway. No, yes, it was a learning experience
for me and then for you as well.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah, but I appreciated that first year you went on,
you were you were calumnist, You're promoted a columnist the
following year. I was took this job a year and
a half later, and all these years later, here we are,
we are podcast together.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
And here the lions are. That's the I mean, to
be honest. That is the part that you know, for
reference points, you just you always go back to some
of those times, you know, yeah, this isn't the way
it used to be, and sometimes you have to remind people, Yeah,
there was a before, and the before looked nothing like this.
This is fun, though, Yeah's absolutely come. That's why these
(02:10):
fans are twenty thousand, thirty thousand on the road. I
mean they are They've been waiting generations to experience something
like this too.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Well, they hope to keep it rolling and to do that.
There's some keys to Sunday's game. Let's get into it
into a few of them. I think first off is
you've got another young quarterback coming in in Caleb Williams,
who is playing much better ball. They made a switch
at offensive coordinator earlier this month. I think that's had
an effect on his play. He threw for three hundred
and forty yards, two touchdowns, no interceptions, and overtime loss
(02:41):
last week. But to me, I think it's important for
this Lion's defense to do to Caleb Williams what they
did to Anthony Richardson for this week. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
No, the pressure Now, the Colts obviously were playing a
bunch of rookies on the offensive line. I don't think
the Bears offensive line has that. You're gonna have maybe
that same advantage you had last week, And you'd mentioned
Caleb Williams has done a good job of not throwing
interceptions this year for a rookie quarterback, but he is
still a rookie quarterback. And one thing he does do,
and he saw it at the end of that game
(03:10):
against the Vikings last week, he'll just hang onto the
ball way too long and take some sacks and do
his offensive line no favors. And so that's the sort
of thing where if you see that happen a few
times in critical situations, that could be the difference in Sundays.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
In Thursday's game, in this Detroit Lions defense, they rushed
hurried richardson eleven times. I think they hit him six.
I thought they really did a nice time disguising coverage
for sure behind it, you know. So not only did
they speed them up, but then they change some things
up and confused them a little bit. And to your point,
young quarterbacks will hang on to the football, we'll maybe
panic a little bit, what is this and you need
(03:46):
another second to decipher it? Well, in this league, don't
have another second, especially with Alee McNeil coming at your
right exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
And those two guys DJ Reader and Lee McNeil had
a great game against the goal. But there to your point,
there was also there was a couple of snaps where
you saw both defensive tackles dropping into coverage too. I
mean it's like Aaron Lyne was messing with him. But no,
that is and look you're gonna have some maybe shuffling
again in the secondary depending on injuries for the Lions.
But that front I thought looked really good against the Colts,
(04:13):
and you would expect something similar I think on Thursday.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
So do the same thing they did to Anthony Richard,
get after him, confuse a young quarterback a little bit,
and take advantage of those mistakes. No, for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Look he's got weapons. He's got some good weapons on offense,
and he's got a better arm, I mean, a more
accurate arm than Anthony Richards, and so he can make
some plays if you give him time. But that's gonna
be the key is not giving them time.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
And one thing I just watching some of the film
on Chicago and looking at some of the stations. We'll
get into some other ones here in a minute. But
does that seem like a four and seventeam to you?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
No, it is, No, it isn't. Look they were for
and two to start the season, then they had their
Bible and they haven't won since their bi week. Now
these last two weeks they've looked a lot better against
division opponents good at division opponents, but there is still
some thing missing there and we've seen that here with
the Lions, especially with the young quarterback. It just takes
time to figure out how to win in this league
(05:08):
and they haven't figured that out yet.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Overtime loss, blocked field. Yeah, they hail Mary and Washington.
So I mean a couple of bounces seven four football
team and this looks like a much different matchup.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Again, like the last two weeks, it's been against two
really good teams in Green Band, Minnesota too, so it
looked much better.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
All right, another one. The records don't look similar, but
the red zone statistics with these teams are you know,
every week, I you know, post out the rankings comparison
to each and they're so different. But then you looked
at the red zone both offensively and defensively for these
teams and they're almost identical, and they're two of the
best red zone offenses and defenses in the league. Look,
(05:48):
you know, as well as I do, turnovers, red zone play,
and third down those are probably the three key statistics
to winning and losing in the NFL. And if you
can convert those red zone situations to get those four
extra points of the biggest difference in the game. Last week,
Detroit was three for four in the red zone, the
Colts were over two. That's the biggest difference in that game,
(06:09):
and so I think that's going to be huge this
week too. Bear's number Lions number two with red zone
defense forty percent, Bears number four at forty one percent.
Both have four red zone interceptions hyper second league. These
are two defenses that really they give up yards, but
when it comes to the red zone, they're really terrific.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
It into your again. I mean, the only reason why
the Lions aren't undefeated right now is the red zone offense.
I mean, in the Tampa game is where you know,
Ben Johnson and company went back to the drawing board.
They were super frustrated after that game because of the
red zone inefficiency. Since then, they've been lights out, and
I think that the one difference. Again, going back to
(06:48):
the quarterback, You've got a veteran in Jared Goff who
knows where to go. I mean, he's got tons of weapons, obviously,
but I think if you look at those red zone
passing numbers, he's probably at seventy seventy five percent percentage
and Caleb Williams is down there closer to fifty to fifty,
So I think that's the difference. And obviously if you've
got David Montgomery and Jamier Gibbs, you've got a lot
(07:10):
of uh and Penay sewell and you know, we could
go down the list. There's a lot of ways that
they can score in that red zone, right, especially that
low red zone.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
And Dan Campbell said it after the game last week
that running the football and stopping the run that's been
the biggest key to their success in the red zone.
They do both things well. One other thing with the
red zone, and to your point about the quarterbacks is
a couple of times last week you saw Jared Goff
just strolled.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Away, Yeah rather no exactly and another day he's done
a great job of that.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
And that's such so huge, especially in the red zone,
is because you know you've got three already, especially with
Jake Bass, so don't force things. And to our point
about young quarterbacks, sometimes they.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Get got to get it exactly, especially when you haven't
scored a bunch of points here this season the way
the Lions have. I mean, Jared Goff knows that I've
got to play next play that's going to work, and
Caleb Williams, I don't don't think has probably felt that
for a lot of this year. Now they do have
a new play caller, et cetera, but I still think
that's you also have look David, we watch him week
(08:08):
after week and we'll see how the injury works this
week with him with the shoulder, but I mean the
tackle breaking that is going on with him is unreal
right now, and you don't see that with DeAndre Swift.
I mean, we know DeAndre Swift from here in his
time with the Lions, but it's a different animal on
the other side in terms of that.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
That's important when everything's tighter right, when everything goloser together
and there's not that space you can make may give
him that you can do that. But this is a
great tackling Detroit Lions team too, so that's also key
in the red zone. The great equal wiser in every
game turnovers. I mean that that's it. And these are
(08:44):
two teams and it's crazy to think that a four
and seven Chicago Bears team and it speaks to some
of the close losses that they've had. The Detroit Lions
are plus nine in turnover differential the Chicago Bears plus
nine for a four and seven team that jumped out
to me as being really really rare. Detroit number six
in takeaways with nineteen Bears number seven eighteen, you know,
(09:09):
fewest giveaways. Detroit's giving the ball away ten times Bears nine.
I mean, they're If there's one thing Williams has done
really really well, and you mentioned it earlier, is not
turning how key is it going to be at home
in this matchup? For sure?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
For sure? Now in the other I mean the other
catch with those stats, as we all saw that Houston
game where Jared Goff just through five interceptions and suddenly
all those numbers go out of whack. They would be
leading the league otherwise. But it's look this defense. You know,
with the injuries they've had on defense, it does get
harder to keep turning the ball over when you've got
(09:47):
guys who are filling in, or guys who are in
different positions or just trying to just trying to get
the play right as opposed to making a play sometimes.
But you see those guys in the secondary, you see Kurry,
Joseph and Brian Branch, it feels like they are just
waiting to pounce on turnovers. And that's the difference I
think you see with them and some other teams because
they know where they are, they know what to play.
(10:08):
I mean, they again we talk about level four oh
one with this Lions team in terms of the consistency,
the scheme, the coordinators of all the players are all
been here, you know for four years now. In some cases. Uh,
you see it in the turnovers because you know they're
able to game and bait and and those kind of things.
And I think you'll see that a little bit on
on Thursday.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I love being up top and watching watching you can
just watch him do it.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
There was another one. It felt like there was another
one coming against the Colts and and you know it
didn't happen, but you could Yeah, we both saw it.
I could see him just waiting and obviously he didn't
get it, but you know that's what he was thinking,
and you know that's probably what was about to happen.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I think him and Brian are probably both the chomping
at the bit for sure for Thursday, because there's going
to be some opportunities and they need to take advantage
of it. Didn't in Indy, you know, had a chance
in an interception, did I know Jack kind of tip
that ball, But Carlton Davis was kind of lamenting after
the game not not take care of that. And look,
this is a two games last year. Jer go through
five interceptions in two games again last year and that
(11:11):
made both those games very close. It was a difference.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
And they do have some defensive guys who playmakers, whether
it's Montes swipt Sweat up front or Jalen Johnson there,
they have guys who will make plays, guys who can
really change a game. And so you do have to
be careful. But again, you've got so many weapons on
the Lions offensive side that I think he's able to
take the easy play and know that that play could
(11:35):
go for fifteen to twenty plus yards easily.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
It should be a fun match and then let's get
a win on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah, no, that's the other part. That's I mean, look,
we've talked about we've seen some things. We saw what
nine straight losses in one stretch with the Lions. This
is you know seven now, and that's you know that's
not okay. Yeah, so I think there is you know,
it's not going to get talked a lot about this week,
but I think that's in the back of everybody's mind.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
One guy who did talk about it, Frank Ragnan, Yeah,
he said, look, I'd like to enjoy it with my family.
He's like, I go home and I'm mad because we lost.
I don't talk to anybody. He's like, can I have
a nice thanks.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
He's talking with Jack Campbello. He's only been through one
of these and now he had Iowa, the Black Friday
game at Iowa, so he isn't not a regular Thanksgiving
a long time, but he was the same way. He's like, yeah,
just kind of sucks when you you know, you want
to be nice. You know it's not their fault, you're
in a bad mood, but it's your fault. But you
are in a bad mood when you lose this game.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Well, can they win ten straight? Can they get in
a good mood on Thanksgiving? Stay at top the NFC?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Which you see And that's the other thing that's as
crazy as this ten in one start is the fact
that they don't have a lot of wiggle room yet
because the Vikings finding ways to win in the Packers.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Keep winning, and the Eagles look pretty dark and they
are right there too. It should be a fun. When
he is John New, you can catch everything of his
Detroit News does a great job him and Wojo over
there column miss where can they find you?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
On Twitter John New, at John Neil at John Neo.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
There it is
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