October 10, 2025 • 45 mins
On this episode of the Twentyman in the Huddle podcast presented by Copilot+ PC, Tim Twentyman is joined by Nolan Bianchi, Amik Robertson and Jesse Newell previewing the Detroit Lions' Week 6 matchup vs. the Kansas City Chiefs.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Rowning wants to throw looks Looks grows out there.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Intercepted by the Lions. Meek Robertson's got it inside the
twentieth down at the seventeen yard line. Pastors intended for
Jamar Chase. Let me just jump right in front of
him and said, I'll take that. Lions with a takeaway.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
It is Week six of the NFL season. Welcome to
the twenty Mottle Podcast. I am Tim twenty minute and
I am joined by the Detroit and is this No
One Beyonce. He does great job covering the Lions with
the news. Also, the Grit Iron Podcast does a good
job there too. Thanks for being my guest.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yeah, I appreciated me. It's a nice place you got
up here. Yeah, like I like this Lion back.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Bart does a great job setting all this up and
then done a great job. I just sit here and
talk football. He does all the work, but it turns
out great. Thank you for joining me and No.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
One.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Let let's start with this first off, I can't believe
it's week six already.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
We're kind of rolling through this thing here. We are
almost thirty three percent of the way through the season.
That makes me sad. It makes me this is my
favorite time of year.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
It's crazy. But look, both of us were in Cincinnati
and we saw that performance and we talked to coaches
and players afterward, and you know, they went on the road. Look,
they didn't have Joe Burrow, I get it, but they
went on the road. They scored thirty seven points events
against a pretty good defense, won the game by thirteen points.
And after we'd just talking to the players, talking to
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the coaches, I felt like they were a little bit
disappointed by that. Is it crazy that we are sitting
here Week six and we're talking about a thirteen point
win on the road, in which you scored thirty seven
points and they're disappointed by this? You know, is the
standard too high?
Speaker 5 (01:37):
I think for the fans sometimes I think the standard
might be a little too well, oh.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
And you know, at halftime of that game, you know
they left some points out there, no doubt, But you're
gonna do that every single game. And I think there's
almost become an expectation that if they don't score on
literally every single possession, that the game was kind of
incomplete in some way. And I don't necessarily know that
that's fair. But I do think from the players and
coaches perspective, I do think that's okay. You know, I
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think that that's kind of what you want. You know,
they're not really worried about what they're putting up on
the scoreboard. They're more worried about, hey, how many you know,
if these plays look good, how many sex and negative
plays do they take?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
So I was doing a little bit of research.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
They are averaging two point eight nine points per drive,
so that's third in the NFL. But they also have
the league's best starting field position. Their ever starting field
position is at the thirty six. So I do think
there are a lot of times and this kind of
this trend started to break a little bit in the
Cincinnati game. But I felt like there were times over
the first couple of weeks of the season when they
were getting these turnovers, these takeaways, or starting with a
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great field position and maybe not punching it in. And
I think that that's some of the stuff that they
kind of regret after a game, is when you know,
they don't convert on a turnover and turn it into
six points or something like that. But in that Cincinnati game,
fourteen points off of turnovers. You had three picks pretty good,
But I think that they still believe that they should
have scored on that.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Third one too.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I think they're at a point with the with the
ross or that they feel like it's all about them.
That there's a standard now in all those rooms, in
the offense room, defense room, special teams. They know that
they've got a roster that's good enough to win a
Super Bowl. And I think I don't mind that that
standard is high. Sometimes I think it's too high on themselves.
Y Yeah. I thought a Meek was a great example, right,
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You ask him to step up guard, one of the
best cover one of the best wide receivers in the league,
gets a pick, does does a great job. The first
thing after the game we talked about was him being
too an aggressive and giving up that long touchdown afterward.
It's stuff like that. I like it. It's a high standard,
but it just goes to show kind of where this
football team is, right Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
And it's like the Shaye Townshend said last week the Lions,
you know, defensive backs coach. He was basically saying, when
you're on offense, you make three mistakes, you punt one time.
If you're on defense, you make three mistakes, you give
up three touchdowns. And I think that was kind of
just the situation that they were in because they were
playing so well and then all it takes is one
little play to kind of, I don't want to say
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unravel everything, because again, they still won the game handily,
but at no point in that game was they were
they ever in danger of losing that game.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
But you know, I think they're at a.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Point now where the wins and losses like they're important
that in the wins matter certainly, but I think these
games are all about, hey, how can we refine the
stuff that could prevent this team from winning a Super Bowl?
And I think that's why maybe the standard is so high,
is because you know, they're not maybe appreciative.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Enough that they're just getting out of there with a win.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
They're saying, yes, we did this, but this could prevent
us from winning a super Bowl. Therefore it needs to fit.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
This could fighte us later in the playoffs, which obviously
has been big the last two years. I think got
a point by you, Jered Golf another one hundred and
fifty plus passer rating game. Ho home, We're getting used
to those but is he a legitimate MVP candidate through
five weeks in year book?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I think so one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
And this is something that you know, we all have
our like morning after columns that we write or whatever,
and I feel like I mentioned Jared Goff and every
single one of them because when I'm doing the game
story and I'm doing you know, the night of I'm like, yeah,
Jared Goff is his normal self, really really good. And
then the next day I'm kind of looking at all
the numbers and I'm like, oh, this was like one
of the best quarterback performances in the NFL last weekend.
Doesn't have a starting left tackle. The four sacks he
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gets hit with those, but he only throws fourig in
completions despite having a guy who you know, and I
think Geo is, you know, a great developmental piece. But
in his first game, the fact that he's still able
to go nineteen for twenty three for two fifty eight
or whatever it was, I think just is a testament
to how good this guy is pre snap and I
think that's something he doesn't get a lot of credit for.
(05:36):
There was a you know, I think a lot of
times people see tend to favor the guys who create
after the play. But to me, there's no difference between
a guy who can make you know, lemonade out of
lemons after the play and a guy who just does
it before the play. But because it happens before the play,
he doesn't really seem to get a lot of credit
for it because you can't see it. He's got a
new oc, a new center, and he's still hasn't missed
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a beat outside a week one.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
That's big.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
But getting somebody out of a play that's going to
be a disaster, to turnover a sack, changing the protections.
We talked about it a couple of weeks ago. The
I think it was against Cleveland. The second I'm unraw
touchdown wasn't even called in from John up in the booth.
It was something Jared completely changed, completely changed the covered
saw a look earlier turned into an easy touchdown. Everybody
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sees that and go, John, what a great play called
by Morton to scheme that up and get i'm unra open. No, Yeah,
that was golf. And that's the point that you're talking
about and you're making is it's that pre step stuff
that you don't see that's so important for this team
in this.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Offense one hundred percent. And I made this analogy yesterday.
But let's say you on a restaurant, right your top cook.
You got two top cooks. One of them always on time,
always know, always make sure he has prep items backed
up and stuff like that. Everything's hitting the fan. He's
making it look easy. He's swapping things in and out
because he's prepared. He's got all of it. And then
let's say you got another one. You know, he doesn't
like to necessarily show up on time, doesn't know where
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his stuff is. He still gets the job done, maybe
in a timely man. But if he's running all over
the kitchen having to grab this, grab that, you could say, oh,
that's so impressive that that guy's doing it. I'd rather
just have the guy who's prepared. You know, he knows
where it's jalapenos are, he knows where you know, all
those things. And that's that's kind of how I view
Jared Goff as a guy who just he gets to
work the day starts and all of the work that
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he's done is what allows him to have success. People say,
you know that the system, he benefits from the system,
But you and I have heard how many times Jared
Goff is the system. They built this offense in his vision.
So I just feel like a lot of the things
that people knock him for are just not really things
to knock somebody for.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
I think there's an MVV panic cannon on the other
side of the football too. And Aiden Hutchinson has picked
off rate where he left off last year when he
was leading the league in pressures, leading the leading sacks,
obviously had the broken like Week six, and he's showing
Lions fans what they really missed last year. I wrote
that yesterday in my in my notebook, and going for
his fifth straight game with his sack, that'll be a
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franchise record. Nolan. He's just he's playing at an elite level,
and what he means for that defense in terms of
how offenses have to play him and what he means
for the guys directly around him, is invaluable.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
For this football time, absolutely, and he's doing it all
without their second best pass rusher and Alee McNeil, who
could potentially return this week. And I guess we'll hear
from Dan Campbell tomorrow, but yeah, I mean, just the
way that they have to account for him. It's something
that you forget about, you know, down the back stretch
last year where you're saying, oh, this guy can step up,
this guy can step up, and maybe they can recreate
his production and the aggregate. You know what you can't
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recreate in the aggregate doubled and triple teams that are
being sent to one guy and unlocking everything for everybody else.
So absolutely, it's not you know, it's it's it's like
an onion like it's of course it's the production on
its face, but as you continue to peel it back,
you just realize the ripple effects that his presence has
on this defense.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
All right, let's look ahead to this week, go on
the road. Obviously a tough opponent in Kansas City, a
team that's done it at really high level for a
long time. But the seven consecutive AFC championship games, but
no one a little weird seeing that two and three
behind them. You know, penalties, some self inflicted wounds, a
little bit of issues. Right now, Is this a dangerous
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game for Detroit just because you look at Kansas City
at home, coming off a loss on Monday Night football,
they're really a little bit They've got to get right
and they've got to get a win. Is this a
dangerous kind of timing for Detroit?
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Sure, but I think you know they're the Lions are
kind of already in the position already where they are
getting everybody's best shot. Yeah, they are a team like
the Chiefs and the Ravens. Now when wherever you go
into play them, the entire week of preparation is basically
boils down to we have to be on our stuff
this weekend, and I don't expect that to change for
Kansas City this weekend. Obviously, there is a little bit
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of urgency overall. You know, you fall to two and
four and the playoff picture can get a little wonky.
But I think, generally speaking, like this is a team
that is going to play every game the exact same way,
and we've seen it over the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
A couple of opponents who.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
May be going into it, you're saying, well, this should
be an easy win for the Lions, and they go
out there and they make it an easy win, which
is not commonplace in the NFL. A lot of times
these games are close, it doesn't matter who's playing who,
but the Lions, for as long as I can remember,
have just every week delivered their best shots. So yes,
it's something to think about. But with this team, I
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don't even know if I'm even considering it.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
You look at the way Patrick Mahomes is playing, and
that offense is kind of getting back to what we've
seen in the past, you know, with some of the
explosive plays and him playing at a really high level.
I think one of the kind of anomalies at least
early this season, is Patrick Mahomes a runner. He's leading
them in rushing yards. He's averaging five point six yards
per carrier. When I look at this matchup and I
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look at what Calvin Sheppard had planned for Lamar Jackson,
obviously a little bit different of a runner, different of
a player, but same concept, getting out of the pocket,
extending plays with your arms, leg run pass option right,
very dangerous player. Could we see something similar to what
shep did in Baltimore where they really did a nice
job disguising kind of their spies and really focused on
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keeping Lamar contained. Can you have the same kind of
plan with Patrick Mahomes despite the fact there's four two
four two four three whatever on the outside too, Or
does that limit you some with what.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
You can do well.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Definitely, I mean, you know, you're gonna have to figure
out a way to get him down, maybe even a
little quicker than you got Lamar Jackson down. But I
actually went back and I was reading the press conference
from after that Ravens game, and Shepherd said that he
used inspiration from Buffalo against Patrick Mahomes to kind of
design that game plan.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
So I think we have it.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
I think he's on top of it, you know, And
that's something that I completely expect to have a very
similar game plan. And just like discipline, discipline, discipline, do
your job, because I think that's one thing that they
did so well in that game was everybody stuck to
their responsibilities. And that's what you have to do when
you play a quarterback like this, because what they're doing
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when they're rolling out as they're waiting for you to
make the mistake, when are you going to make the
mistake that springs us a fifteen yard game? And the
Lions didn't really do that against Baltimore. And so absolutely
different type of runner, for sure, but it's the same
stuff with the leak in the pocket and the pump fake
and then oh, now I'm gonna run for twenty yards,
So a lot of the same things that you got
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to worry.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
About, I think.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Obviously dealing with some injuries in the secondary. Tary Ullard
left that game. He's gonna be out for an undisclosed
amount of time. But it sounds like the news is
better than they first thought. We still got a few
more weeks for dj Reed. Kirby Joseph hasn't practiced to
begin the week. We'll see what his status is. They're
hurt in the secondary. Now you're gonna have a meet
Robertson step up. We're gonna have him on a little
bit later too, and that's gonna be a great conversation.
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But how do the Lions kind of alleviate some of
this pressure that's on the secondary. Is it as easy
as saying, hey, Hutch the front seven, this one's on you.
We're reeling a little bit in the back end. We
still are confident some guys that can step in and play,
but we're down a couple of starters. You guys got
to go, you know, be you and help us win
this game one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
And I think that was one of the big things
with that Baltimore game. I thought the linebackers were the
star of the show in that game, and I think
they're gonna be just as big this weekend, which is.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Which is fine.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
You know, Jack Campbell's playing as well as any linebacker
in the NFL. We know what Derek Barnes, Alex Azeloni,
those guys can do. They're also getting a lot of
contributions from the depth, and that goes for linebacker and
d line. So you know, I think Ellie McNeil coming
back is going to be absolutely massive. If they can
get him going and you can feel his presence, I
think that's gonna be probably the biggest thing that counteracts
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maybe some of the deficiencies they have on the back end,
is the possibility of a Lie McNeil returning and that
front seven getting after it.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
How great do those linebackers compliment each other wonderfully? Yeah,
you know, I think you look at that and varying
skill sets. It seems like chef can put any kind
of scheme down in terms of how he wants to
use his linebackers. So there's blitzing zone, maybe heavy coverage.
Anzo is one of the best in the business. Jack
has really improved that part of this game. It seems
like they could do it all. It gives shep a
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lot of options with their linebackers. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Absolutely, and that was something that we you know, when
we talk about depth, I think a lot of times
it strictly in the context of if player A gets hurt,
can player be help uphold the standard? But I think
what you're seeing with this team, and especially in the linebackers,
starting with that Baltimore game, is not only does it
give you guys that you can rely on if your
starters can't play, but it also gets the wheels turning
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of like, oh wait, this guy is like a starting
caliber player, so how can we use that to put
him in the right spot? You know, Trevor and Owaski.
I think he had like thirteen snaps in that Baltimore
seven to thirteen snaps in that Baltimore game, and he
was here and they used him perfectly on those snaps,
and he comes up with a sack, he comes up
with a couple other big plays. Zach Cunningham comes in
to make a stop on the goal line against Eric
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Derek Henry. That kind of flips the game temporarily. So
I think that is the biggest benefit of collecting the
depth that they have is not only having guys who
can jump in in the place of an injured starter,
but also a guy who can contribute a as a
reserve one.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
All right, you've looked at the matchups. You've broken down
the offense defense all week. What's the biggest matchup for
Nolan Biannci.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
I think it's the linebackers against Patrick Mahomes and and
and remaining discipline, same goals, you know, front seven in general.
I think it's just gonna be maintaining that discipline that
you showed against Lamar Jackson and not allowing him to
escape the pocket. And also Calvin Shephard versus you know,
Andy Reid, Like I think that's that's gonna be huge too.
Is does you know now that they've put that on
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film against Baltimore, Kansas City is gonna respond and they're
gonna have some things for the looks that Calvin Shepherd's
gonna show them. Can he adjust in real time and
and find a way to get the edge back. I
think that's gonna be fascinating to watch.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I thought it was interesting listening to Shep this week
when he was talking about Andy Reid and just the
challenge that they provide is is how Andy doesn't give
you similar looks. Yeah, he doesn't maybe tip his hand
a little bit, and how hard it was to come
up with a scheme. They don't do the same thing
on down and distance that some tendencies that you see
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with other offensive Coordineership says, you know, you study them
long enough, you can start to get the tendencies. There's
no tendencies in reading. When you have a quarterback like
Patrick Mahomes who can break any tendency, which just the
off schedule type of plays, It's it's tough. I'm going
to be really interested to see what shep comes up
with because this will really you know, tests kind of
his schemes is thinking hat and his in game adjustments.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
As well well.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
And he also like kind of said that that's what
he wants to do himself. Like remember after that Baltimore game,
we were like, hey, like you change your mind about
the QB spy and he was like, that's the thing though,
like we're not having a QB spy. That's just hey,
easy to identify that's going to be the guy who's
just shoveling back and forth, like they're changing it on
every play. They're kind of trying to do the same
things that Kansas City is doing on offense, but in
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a defensive way.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
And I just I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
It should be a really fun matchup. They're going for
five straight. They're playing really good football right now. That's
going to be a fun atmosphere trying to keep it rolling.
No one, thanks so much for joining me. I appreciate
what We'll be right back with a Meek. Welcome back
to the t one of the Hull podcasters Microsoft. I
am very happy to want them. A Meek Robertson cornerback
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extraordinary for the Detroit Lions, and a Meek. I want
to start with this. We were talking to Calvin Sheppard
this week and he said, A Meek's my dog, like
that is my guy. And he said that stems back
from all the way back when you were in high
school and you're from the Louisiana area, justin Jefferson's from
the Louisiana area. You were down at LSU camp and
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he said, this guy he had knee brace on. He
was feeling a little something something. He said. He went
into a line and said, I want that guy justin
Jefferson and and Shep said, that's when I knew like
a Meek was a baller, like he was my guy.
Where's that come from? Has that always been you?
Speaker 6 (17:52):
Always?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Man? You know?
Speaker 6 (17:53):
Always?
Speaker 7 (17:54):
I think I think it I honestly, you know, this
guy given right, but I think it also comes from
just having our and everything right, always being counted out.
You know, it's just it's just my agenda now, you know.
So I've learned how to you know, use it, not
not worry, I mean use it in a positive way.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Use you know. I learned how to use it as
as one of my strengths.
Speaker 7 (18:14):
Right when someone tell me I can't do something, it
as extraal fuel, you know, to to my fire, you know.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
And there's something about you played such a terrific game
last week. I mean, here you are, You're asked to
play one of the best wide receivers in the game.
You play a physical game. You get yourself an interception
by playing that way. We go to you in the
locker room. The first thing you talked about was a
touchdown you gave up, like because you were being a
little bit too aggressive. That's the best receiver in the game.
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The first thing you thought about, not about the performance,
about allowing him to have fifty yards the whole game.
It was the touchdown that you talked about. Is that
just part of that competitive spirit with you? Is it
wanting to be just so perfect?
Speaker 7 (18:59):
It definitely is, man because you know, sometimes you know,
make being his fall. You know, in my life at
playing the position I played, playing dB, I don't ever
say I'm a corner on Nicol, I'm a dB, but
just making it this fall, you know, playing both of
those positions, I had to be different. I had to
do the you know, have crazy numbers. I had to
do the unxtraordinary right. And that's and if I want to,
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you know, if they give me an assignment, you know,
to do that, I believe I have one hundred percent
belief in myself that I can do that because I'm
just highly competitive.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
Like this ain't nothing that you can fake.
Speaker 7 (19:32):
Like this is really who I am, right, and when
I go out there, I know it's not going to
be perfect, but I try to chase, like I try
to be perfect, right, But it's like what do you chase?
You know, when when you out there, do you want
to be mediocre or do you want to be one
of the best in the elite. You know.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
That's and that's what I harp on.
Speaker 7 (19:51):
And now that I have a full opportunity to do that,
I want to take advantage of it, man, because I
you know, I remember how you know, I know how
the bottom feel. Man, I don't I don't want to
go back. So that's why I tried to each and
every day I step from on that grass.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
Man. I'm highly competitive, and I got to point them prove.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
You go back aways with Shep. What's that relationship like
between you two, because listen to him talk about you.
I mean his face just lit up, you know, and
he couldn't say enough good things about what you mean
to this football team with your ability to play the
nickel go outside. One of the most underrated performances all
last year. You guys won fifteen games. It was that
Week eighteen game you had against Justin Jefferson. You know it.
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Just being a guy that can just do anything, step
in when needed, play whatever, no complaints, aggressive, just Shep
seems to love it. What's that relationship like with you
in your new DC.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
Men, Shep Man, you know, we have a great relationship
and it's the thing about it, like because he have
high expectations for him man like shep No, it's like SHEP.
Already know that I'm my worst critic. So it's certain
things that all he knew I could take accountability. He know,
he know why I want to be, you know, in
in my current he knows that I'm hold on myself.
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Of course, he know he got a pick bull, he
know he got a dog in in me. But he's
going to stay on me hard to continue, you know,
doing those little things because it's always a little It's
always the little things man, that you mess up in
the game when you you know, and it makes you
not not be perfect. So I love the standard and
the expectation that he set on it because it only
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makes me makes me better. It's times in there that
I might have practice or whatever mess something up He'll
put on the big screen like a meek Like I
tell him, like, that's on me.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (21:30):
I already know you know what I'm saying, because you
know I could take that accountability because he know why
why I want to be and what iut, you know
what kind of player I want to be in this
lead man of relationship being been great, man, the relationship
being great, And all I want to do is prove
him right.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
Of course, you know, prove proven to myself.
Speaker 7 (21:45):
But I want to prove like, I want to show
him that that everything you say about me is true.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
And that's what you want. Man, you got a coach
in your corner.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
You want to go out there and and prove him right,
you know, And I have all all respect for us.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
He seems like a guid to me, me that he'll
get on you and he's not afraid to, but five
minutes later he'll love you up too. And as a player,
you've got a problem. You gotta respect that because he
was a player. He wasn't in your shoes too, and
he knows how to maybe walk that fine line. Players
need some some toughness sometimes some hard love, right, but
but they also want a guy in their corners that
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that to me seems like Chef's genius is that he
can maybe told that line a little bit.
Speaker 7 (22:24):
And the thing about it, like, that's what I want.
I don't want to I don't want to coach that. Okay,
he have talent, so I'm gonn kind of ease up
on Nah. I like a hard coach because that's how
I was That's that's how I was brought up. I
was always brought up earning everything. So it's like, I
don't want to go out there and mess up money
and a coach don't tell me.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
He kind of like, I don't.
Speaker 7 (22:43):
I like that, and shep's fall from that. If you
if you make a mistake that he know that you
better than He's going to tell you about it and
you're gonna feel bad, but you're also gonna learn. It's
like a king when you do something bad and you
get a whooping. But again, you know. So that's what
you want, man, And that's what you want. You want
a leader like that. You want a guy. But at
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the end of the day, he know, he's he's telling
you that from a from a good you know, yeah,
from from place Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
What you want, man, that what you want.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
You have the rare ability to play inside and outside
in this league. You're gonna do both this year, probably
all year long. Just what's the biggest difference of me
from playing inside to outside and what kind of skill
sets do you have to have as a player to
be able to do both?
Speaker 6 (23:30):
And do both at a high level, like you can
do mindset. Man, it's a mindset.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
Man.
Speaker 7 (23:36):
You gotta some guys, don't me personally, I just want
to be on the field, man, I just want to
I just want to be on the field. And whenever
I'm out there, man, you know, whatever play play called.
I try to be myself within a scheme. That's what
they allow me to do. What they allow me to
be myself within a scheme, you know, and not be greeded.
Just play with my instincts and the game going most
of the time, like they tell me, the game gonna
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come to me, don't don't, don't, don't be greeted. Just
just my play style of game is gonna come to me.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 7 (24:02):
So I feel comfortable playing both, man, Like it really
don't even matter to me. I just I just want
to be on the field, and I will do whatever
I can to make to make plays and to help
the team as far as like either either or. I
think I like corner better though, because that guy's underestimate
you know, my size, Like Okay, we're gonna go go
at him. But I like it, you know, I I
embrace that because it gives me more opportunity to show
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what I can do my ball skills and being able
to create turnose.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
You guys play a lot of man here.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
You seem perfect for that kind of of scheme. You
know a lot of corners love to play zone because
you can look in the backfield and there's more opportunities to
make big plays in yourself. But you seem to revel
in the in the man the man. Well, why is that?
Is it?
Speaker 7 (24:46):
Like like I said before, man, mindset Man, It's just
it's it's me versus you, and like I'm just I'm
just highly highly competitive and playing DBS.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
It's hard man, you know.
Speaker 7 (24:55):
It's like you know, it's it's hard you going the
guy backwards, you know when you're out there. But I
am I just embrace it, like I want to play man.
You know, I enjoy playing man. Yeah, Zone is cool,
so I can watch the quarterback and jump stuff whatever,
but playing man man is like, my job is to
just beat beat the guy in front me.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Okay, bet that competitiveness goes throughout everything. One of the
loudest maybe things that happened daily when we're in the
locker room. You are a pretty avid pool player. That
pool table. You are always honest. Uh Vaki's pretty good,
Montgomery's got a little bit of game. But who's the
best pool player in that locker room?
Speaker 6 (25:34):
I mean it's in the most humblest way.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Man, that wouldn't be your style. For sure.
Speaker 7 (25:39):
It's me, But sometimes sometimes the guy you take a loss.
But it's not always a loss, man, it's a lesson,
you know why. You know what, you know, when I
sit I see them play, I'm watching, you know, I'm
watching films. So when I play, you know, just just
not gonna be real. You know, I don't like to
keep it. You know, I'm gonna put it out there.
I just lost, you know what. It's always best out
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of threes. Don't get too high because if you get
too high, the god come knock you all man.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
You know what I'm saying. So we got two more
games to play, you know, and I'm gonna win the
next team.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
How those moments important? That that little time in between
practice meetings, you guys get to play ping pong, pool
build those relationships. Is that is that important part of
the day.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
Very man, very important, because you you know, when you're there,
you going against each other.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
It's competitive. You want to be out.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
There, lea your job, right, but when you you know,
you come back in the locker room, man, it's all laughter,
and you know, we talk about practice and guys because
this is this is this is an ultimate team man,
like this ain't guys ain't faking it. Like guys really
want best, you know, want what's best for one another,
you know.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
And when we're playing.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
Pool, you know, it's it's it's all of course it's competitive,
but it's all fun and games.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
Man.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
You let people know when you win too.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Across the Yeah, yeah, I'll.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
Be seeing the eyes man, you know.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
I mean, you know they you know, they don't they
gonna if they beat me, they gonna make it loud.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
Yeah, get off the you know what I'm saying. So
when I win, I talk. I talk my stuff too.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
Man.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
All right, let's let's let's talk and see real quick
before I let you go and get those two more
against against David in. Obviously you look at them. It
all starts with fifteen, right. Well, Andy Ree's been doing
it a long time at a really high level. He
kind of sets the tone. But fifteen is a hall
of fame guy.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Let's be real.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
You know, if he were quit today be in the
Hall of Fame. They got speed all over the place.
Something goes four two four two four three whatever. You know,
just when you watch him on film, when you're preparing
for him, what is maybe the most dangerous part of
that offense? What do you guys have to be really
good about Sunday night to get get get out of
there with the.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
Win first and foremost?
Speaker 7 (27:41):
Man, you know, mahomes Man fifteen one to five is
a heck of a playoff man. Once you know he's
a he's he's a magician, he's the engine to the call. Right,
you gotta do whatever you can to slow him down,
you know, you know, I see they like you know,
they got speed, they got but you know those guys
are you know some of them deep deep there, guys.
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I think for us, man, we just gotta believe in
the plan, you know, believe in the plane. They do
a lot of emotions, you know, so being able to communicate,
you know, but we got some great communicators in Jack
and and Zoe and Barnes. You know they're gonna put
the defense in a in a right place, you know,
with with SEP calling those places as well.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
So I think We're gonna be cool.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Man.
Speaker 7 (28:20):
You know, they're very explosive, but you know, we we
got the guys that you know Colow, those those explosive plays.
We just gotta trust trust one another, which we already do.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
You guys faced a pretty explosive guy week three on
the road in Baltimore, similar situation. That defense stepped up
handled him. So hopefully you guys can do the same
with number fifteen, win five straight. You guys are rolling
right now. Make that defense is playing really well and
you're a big part of it. I appreciate taking the time.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
I appreciate y'all. Thank y'all so much.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Welcome back to the twenty Minute and Huddle podcast because
in my Microsoft, I am very happy to welcome in.
Jesse Wolke does a great job covering everything Kansas City
used to be with the Kansas City Star has just
started with the athletic Congratulations on the new job, Jesse.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Appreciate it, Tim, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
All right, we Jes, we got to start with this.
This is a little bit strange going into a matchup
against Kansas City and seeing that record behind Kansas City
at two and three. What's been missing from this Chiefs
team through these first five weeks.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
It's a it's a really weird thing to talk about
with the Chiefs because it's coming off the season last
year where they were not apologizing for any close win
they could get. You know, if they kicked the ball
off the upright, it goes through and they win, they're like, hey,
won the game. You know, if they block a field
goal in the last play, it's like, hey, they made
the winning play to win the game. And so last
year twelve to zero and one score games for the Chiefs.
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This year twenty twenty five, oh to three and one
score games, and so the script has completely flipped. The
Chiefs can't come out though and be like, oh, well
we're unlucky or things aren't going our way, because you know,
last year was the exact opposite, and nobody was turning
back in those wins when they started fifteen to one
and ended up making their way off the way to
the Super Bowl. So we here from Patrick Mahomes this week,
so much just talking about winning plays, and you go
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back to the Jaguars game and you know they just
lost on Monday Football thirty one to twenty eight, and
quarterback for the Jaguars Trevor Lawrencers, there's a lot of
credit for making some critical throws, falling down a couple
of times and getting up and scrambling in the end
zone for the one yard run. But those are the
types of plays that we were used to the Chiefs making.
And so we heard so many times when patri Mahomes,
he said winning plays, winning plays, and really the Chiefs
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have come pretty close in the margins to making a
couple of those plays that would make them either three
and two or four and one. You saw in the
Eagles game earlier this year, they had a touchdown potentially
to Travis Kelcey. He bobbles the ball, it goes off
his hands, and the Eagles intercept that pass that becomes
the biggest play of the game. So it's crazy to
talk about a season after and basically having the same
roster come back saying, hey, this chief team hasn't made
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the clutch plays late. But they haven't made the clutch
plays late, and that really has been something that we
have not been used to seeing, especially recently for a
team under Andy Reid.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
You know, another thing for an Andy led team, and
I know it was a difference late in that game
Monday night too, was penalties. You know, they had thirteen
of them, I think against Jacksonville. I went back and looked.
I think they're at forty two for the season, which
I think is top three or top five in the league.
Very uncharacteristic of a pretty veteran team there in Kansas City.
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How have the penalty issues kind of creeped up and
been at issue along with those like you mentioned game
changing plays? Well, game changing penalties as we saw at
the end of that Jacksonville game where they thought they
had it won there on a broken up play in
the end zone and it becomes first down in the touchdown.
How much are penalties kind of creeping in uncharacteristically for
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this team.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Yeah, I'm glad to say that word uncharacteristic, because that's
the sort of thing that Andy Reid. If we know
anything the Chiefs or anything, it's like they're long training camps.
They get the details down, they do things correctly, and
then they're disciplined. And thirteen penalties for one hundred and
nine yards is the opposite of what you would consider disciplined.
And so you know, penalties can be fluky, and I
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don't think I need to tell you this, Tim Like
they have a ten see to sometimes go away when
you're at home and pop up when you're on the road.
So sometimes those things happen as well, and so maybe
the Lions will have a little bit of a different
or experience against the Chiefs than you know, what the
Jaguars had in their particular game. But yeah, this is
you hear any retalking about. He's like, I've got to
get it fixed. This has got to get fixed. And
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this is like top of mind for him when you're
talking to him in his press conference this week, because
uncharacteristic is the word. This is not what we're used
to seeing from the Chiefs, and so many of those
things went against them. The other thing you reference this
as well, but four special teams penalties, and Dave Tobe
has been the top of the NFL in terms of
special teams coaches for a long time now, you know,
going back to his Bears days and Devin Hester, and
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we are so used to the Chiefs just getting these
little edges in special teams every single game in past years,
whether it's Harrison Bucker kicking clutch field goals or them
getting great returns in games that they really need them,
and so it's really jarring when you watch a game
and you see the special team is the difference in
between the Chiefs losing instead of winning. And that's what
we saw last game again, four penalties. They kick the
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ball out of bounce to give the Jaguars the ball
on the forty yard line for their game winning drive.
So a lot of things went wrong there. I'd expect
a couple of those things to get fixed pretty quickly,
and the penalties and special teams will be at the top.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Of the list. Just one of the key matchups this weekend. Obviously,
Detroit's defense is playing pretty well, especially their front seven.
They've got some injuries in the secondary they're they're going
to have to deal with, and you talk to those
guys in the front seven, they say, look, we've got
to step up this week. We've got to create a
little bit more pressure. Give those guys who are going
to be plugging and playing in the back end a
little bit more time to do what they need to do.
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Detroit second in the league in sacks with sixteen after
five weeks. But this Kansas City offensive line, I watched
them on Monday and I've watched them throughout the year,
especially on the tackles tackle spots, they're playing pretty good football.
How key is that matchup this week coming in against
Aiden Hutchinson and those guys who are really getting after
the quarterback. But Kansas City, at least to me, seems
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like they're playing pretty good up front, especially on the edges.
Am I correct?
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Yeah, I mean it's crazy because you think back everybody
watched the Super Bowl obviously and saw exactly where the
Chiefs went wrong is they could not protect Patrick Mahomes
and Eagles players were just streaming through the line through
the whole game and he couldn't get comfortable. It's been
crazy to watch Patter Mahomes the last two or three
weeks because he has gotten comfortable, he's sat back in
the pocket, he's trusted his protection. A lot of that
goes to Josh Simmons you're talking about on the left
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tackle spot. I know there's a next gen stat out
there that just came out this week that said, I
think he's the fifth lowest pressure rate of any left
tackle in football so far this season. I mean, he's
been a godsend for them on the left side. And
you know, Juwan Taylor on the right side has been
inconsistent with penalties and the lining up off sides and all,
you know, some holding penalties things like that, and not
great in the run game, but as far as past
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protection goes, he's been pretty solid and that's sort of
what his MO has been throughout his NFL career. But
it's all led to like, if those two spots are secure,
you've got Trey Smith, and you've got Creed Humphrey. And
now you've got Kingsley Swumati in the second year who's
really emerging and coming on. And you mentioned this no
sacks last week for the Jaguars, a pretty good Jaguars
defensive front coming in against the Chiefs, and Patrick Mahomes
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is sitting back there. He's playing as well as he's
played a long time. And so this is really an
interesting dynamic and interesting contradiction when you look at the Chiefs,
because last week against the Jaguars, seven point six yards
per play. You do that against almost any team you
win the football game. And again, the Chiefs have a
pick six from their one yard line that goes to
other direction. You have all these penalties they have. Weird
things go against them, you end up losing, but their
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offense really is ascending at the right time. I would say, still,
you know, if they're gonna get after a guy, you know,
Josh Simmons is still a rookie and he's still in
his first year, and there still have been moments where
he struggled with hand placement and knowing exactly where to hit. Guys,
especially really talented guys like a Hutchinson would be in there,
So that'll be a great matchup to watch in this game.
That's been a part of the reason the Chiefs offense
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has been emerging as of late. But there is always
sort of that hold your breath moment because you put
a rookie against a really talented player like Hutchinson and
crazy things can't happen.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Yeah, I mentioned the injuries the Lions are dealing with earlier.
You're down to their third cornerback out there, and you
might have to plug in place some other guys at
some certain boss will see if Taylor Decker's back at
left tackle after he missed last week. How are the
Chiefs injury wise anything of concern heading into this week
or are they pretty good?
Speaker 4 (36:09):
I mean it is It is crazy talking about this
two and three team, tim because I just wrote at
the Athletic this morning about like they're two and three
but potentially four signs they can turn it around. Their
injury report yesterday they had no one limited in practice,
no one like on there to broster, no one.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
They're missing nobody.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
And so like you look at all these signs, like
you know, Vegas loves them right now, they're like if
you've made a Vegas Sportsbook power ranking that you used
to be third, they'd be the top team in the AFC.
They're two and three, so they're still saying, oh, this
is a really good team. Patrick Mahomes right now in
the sports betting odds, he's second in the MVP voting
right now, only behind Josh Allen and three. Like, if
you're gonna say, tell me there were two and three
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going into the season, you'd be like, oh, Mahome's not
trusting is his you know O line? And maybe he's
not playing well. He's second in MVP voting and they're struggling.
I just mentioned the offensive lines playing as well as
they could hope. Uh, but yeah, you add that to it,
like Christian Fulton's the main guy a cornerback that he's
been out with ankle injuries and knee injuries, but he
could be back for this game. He was a full
participant yesterday, Omar Norman Lott. He's their second round defensive tackle.
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They desperately need defensive tackles to be in their next
to Chris Jones, and he was a full participant yesterday
in practice, so you expect him back out there against
the Lions. The Chiefs not only are sort of emerging offensively,
they're getting healthy and there really aren't many excuses for
them to not win football games, even against tough opponents
coming up, and to try to get their season turned around.
So it is crazy looking. You know, they just played
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the Ravens a couple weeks ago. You know how injuries
can totally derail the season off that happens. But this
Chiefs team right now, for them knock on wood. I mean,
they are as healthy as they could be heading into
the stretch where they desperately need some wins.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
We I'm curious from you, what's the key matchup? What
does Kansas City have to do to defend home turf
Sunday night national broadcast. Obviously they've got to get right,
a big game for them going to and four. That
puts you behind the eight ball. What's the matchup that
they're looking at that they say, Hey, we've got to
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win this matchup to be able to knock Detroit off
and get this thing back rolling.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
So, if I'm being honest with you, Tim, like the
first year I cover the Chiefs was back in their
Super Bowl victory against the Eagles, and that team was
offense led, And I think this team is getting to
that point, like they are emerging offensively at the right time.
They're about to get Rashi Rice back next week, and
already the offense is taking steps to say, hey, this
is the sort of thing we saw from the Chiefs
four years ago, five years ago, six years ago. The defense,
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to me is taken a little bit of a step back.
And so if I'm looking at matchups and I'm looking
at strengths versus weaknesses, I think the biggest thing for
the Lions in this game is they are so good
under center, they are so good with play action, and
the Chiefs are worse than the NFL in both of
those measures. So the Chiefs face a real struggle right now.
I just talked about the defensive tackle depth. They have
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Chris Jones, obviously i'll pro been great, but beside him,
they've had some real issues, especially stopping them on Derek
Noddy they traded back from the Jets early in the season.
He has not been very productive for them. And they
have great downhill tackling safeties, great downhill tackling cornerbacks, great
downhill tackling linebackers, especially Nick Bolton in the middle. But
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what happens is because they're sort of making up for
that gap on the interior, they have those guys flow
so hard downhill that if you go play action, if
you go under center, you get them. And that's what
you saw if you go back to the tape of
the Chargers game in Week one, justin Herbert over and
over under center, play action, linebackers flowing downhill, huge spaces
in the intermediate, huge spaces on inbreaking routes. To mean,
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that's the biggest matchup of this game, because if the
Lions can do what they do well, if they can
establish that and if they can hit on those sorts
of passes, that really is the basis of their offense.
You know, hit some runs, hit some runs and then
get behind those linebackers and those free flowing guys downhill
and get those intermediate chunkyard games. It's gonna be real
hard for the Chiefs. I mean, this is gonna have
to be a shootout for them to win. They potentially
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can win it. Patrick Mahomes and the offense is looking
really good right now. But in terms of that rank
versus weakness matchup, look at in breakers, look middle of
the field, look play action. That's where the Chiefs have
struggled mightily this season. And that's an area where the
Lions have been really, really good.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Yeah, they have been really You have a ton of
Lions fans smiling ear to ear right now hearing that
from you. Because Jared Golf is one of the best
in the league at play action. The Lions offense is
one of the best of the league, and I contend
that Jared Golf is one of the best in you know,
intermediate en route cutting throwers in this league. The Detroit
wants to attack the center of a defense with the
run game, with the play action game, and then they
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want to hit Jamison Williams, one of the top five
fastest players in this league, who's you know, had a
couple you know, quiet weeks they're going to look to
get him going. Maybe this is a week they try
to get right with that Jesse. Lions were in Kansas
City two years ago for the season opener. Kind of
ruined that that Super Bowl banner presentation by the Chiefs.
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I'm just curious two years later, obviously these teams look
a lot different. But who's a new guy that maybe
Lions fans don't know. Whether it's a young guy free agent,
maybe not one of those big name Kansas City guys
that we've gotten used to in their run over the years.
But who's the guy that could maybe make an impact
Sunday night that that Lions fans aren't real familiar with
and maybe they should get familiar with.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
Well, yeah, this is a joke, I know. If this
is so, let me say that up front. But Chris
Jones is a guy that didn't play in that Lions game,
only showed him in the press box, remember with his
age holding out, So that'll be a guy to get
to know. He'll be motivated this week. It was crazy
because the last play of the game, when Trevor Lawrence
had that one yard touchdown run and dove in you know,
the highlights basically showed that Chris Jones was kind of
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just standing in a spot and didn't hustle to the place.
So he's faced some kind of widespread criticism this week,
you know, from people out there to not hustle. Now, listen,
Chris Jones is out there for almost every snap. It's
crazy how much he plays, and so I definitely would
extend him some grace there. But I think they're gonna
get a motivated player there. But a couple of names
to keep in mind. I did mention Omar Norman Lott,
who should be coming back from soldier shoulder injury in
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the middle. He just brings so much pass rush juice
next to Chris Jones. And really the two games the
Chiefs lost in Week one and last week, they both
came down to the same thing, which was they needed
third and long stops at the end of the game
and couldn't get them because a guy like Chris Jones
had just played almost every snap and so getting him back.
He was one of the top guys in terms of
pressure rates in college last year at Tennessee. He's real
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springy on the inside and so he potentially could make
a play there. And then another guy emerging offensive that
has definitely a guy to watch is seventh round pick
Berchard Smith. I don't mean this in the way that
a lot of Chiefs fans think I mean it, but
he is sort of like a mcicole Hardman to them.
He is sort of like a Kadarius Tony to them
in that he was a receiver most of his college
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career transition to running back last year. But the Chiefs
are playing him like a gadget player. They're playing him like, hey,
you take an end to a round, you take a quick
screen on the outside, And he has a great burst,
great speed, and he's getting more involved with the offense
week by week, and so their running backs to the Chiefs
running backs don't have too much explosive dynamic ability, but
Burchard Smith is a guy who can break one. But
look for him sort of into creative plays, the pop passes,
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you know, the quick screens of the outside, and like
I said, eight week by week he's giving them more
and more plays, adding more and more to the playbook.
The more he can take on mentally, the more he's
gonna help the Chiefs here. Throughout the course of the
rest of the season.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
All right, last one for you, Jesse. I'm curious what
have Chiefs players and coaches said about this matchup said
about this Detroit Lions team coming in obviously four and one,
they've won four straight, looking for five straight, playing pretty
well in all three phases. I'm just curious what have
they kind of said about what kind of game they
expect Sunday night in Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
Well, you know, I think Dan Campbell has brought this
mentality that you know, even if you're not following the
lines closely, you think of them in a certain way.
You think of them as aggressive, physical, and I can't
tell you. I mean, it was at least repeated three
or four times by Patrick Mahomes in his press conference
where he said, we have to match their mindset, their mentality,
their aggressiveness, all those sorts of things. So the Chiefs
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are expecting a battle in this one. The other thing
that'll be interested in is last week against the Jaguars.
Andy Reid thought the course of the season, he's been
really aggressive on fourth downs, and the Chiefs were not
aggressive against the Jaguars. A couple fourth and twos they
punted early. But we know what the Lions do man.
And it's funny because when Andy Reid played at home
against the Ravens and Harbaugh like the Chiefs went for
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a lot of fourth downs because I think in Andy's mind,
he sort of matches what he thinks he has to
do for the other team. And so this is probably
bad news for Lions fans obviously, But I think two
and three at home and with what the Lions do,
I think you're gonna get a and Andy Reid that's
as aggressive as he's going to be in any game,
any matchup. And like I said, the Chiefs, their backs
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are against the wall right now. It doesn't seem like it
if you go under the hood and look at their
advanced stats. It doesn't seem like if you look at
their injury report or how Patrick Mahomes is playing. But
they desperately need to win that they need to get
to three and three and get Rashid Rice back next
week and try to kind of change the course of
the season. But I would expect the Chiefs to come
out with a lot of emotion, a lot of physicality,
and a lot of aggressiveness because they are going to
try to match what they leave.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
The lines are gonna bring to Arrowhead and you know
that place is going to be rocking Sunday night on
Sunday Night football. It'll be a great atmosphere. Two really
good football teams. I don't care what the record says.
When you have Patrick Mahomes and that guy steps on
the field, you've got a shot every single week. Their
backs are a little bit against the wall. Detroit's rolling,
so such an interesting dynamic Sunday Night in Kansas City.
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You will be there covering everything from Kansas City perspective.
I got Detroit covered. It should be a great matchup. Jesse,
thanks so much for taking the time. I appreciate it,
and we'll talk to you Sunday night.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
Sounds good to appreciate it.
Rowning wants to throw looks Looks grows out there.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Intercepted by the Lions. Meek Robertson's got it inside the
twentieth down at the seventeen yard line. Pastors intended for
Jamar Chase. Let me just jump right in front of
him and said, I'll take that. Lions with a takeaway.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
It is Week six of the NFL season. Welcome to
the twenty Mottle Podcast. I am Tim twenty minute and
I am joined by the Detroit and is this No
One Beyonce. He does great job covering the Lions with
the news. Also, the Grit Iron Podcast does a good
job there too. Thanks for being my guest.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yeah, I appreciated me. It's a nice place you got
up here. Yeah, like I like this Lion back.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Bart does a great job setting all this up and
then done a great job. I just sit here and
talk football. He does all the work, but it turns
out great. Thank you for joining me and No.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
One.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Let let's start with this first off, I can't believe
it's week six already.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
We're kind of rolling through this thing here. We are
almost thirty three percent of the way through the season.
That makes me sad. It makes me this is my
favorite time of year.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
It's crazy. But look, both of us were in Cincinnati
and we saw that performance and we talked to coaches
and players afterward, and you know, they went on the road. Look,
they didn't have Joe Burrow, I get it, but they
went on the road. They scored thirty seven points events
against a pretty good defense, won the game by thirteen points.
And after we'd just talking to the players, talking to
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the coaches, I felt like they were a little bit
disappointed by that. Is it crazy that we are sitting
here Week six and we're talking about a thirteen point
win on the road, in which you scored thirty seven
points and they're disappointed by this? You know, is the
standard too high?
Speaker 5 (01:37):
I think for the fans sometimes I think the standard
might be a little too well, oh.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
And you know, at halftime of that game, you know
they left some points out there, no doubt, But you're
gonna do that every single game. And I think there's
almost become an expectation that if they don't score on
literally every single possession, that the game was kind of
incomplete in some way. And I don't necessarily know that
that's fair. But I do think from the players and
coaches perspective, I do think that's okay. You know, I
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think that that's kind of what you want. You know,
they're not really worried about what they're putting up on
the scoreboard. They're more worried about, hey, how many you know,
if these plays look good, how many sex and negative
plays do they take?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
So I was doing a little bit of research.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
They are averaging two point eight nine points per drive,
so that's third in the NFL. But they also have
the league's best starting field position. Their ever starting field
position is at the thirty six. So I do think
there are a lot of times and this kind of
this trend started to break a little bit in the
Cincinnati game. But I felt like there were times over
the first couple of weeks of the season when they
were getting these turnovers, these takeaways, or starting with a
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great field position and maybe not punching it in. And
I think that that's some of the stuff that they
kind of regret after a game, is when you know,
they don't convert on a turnover and turn it into
six points or something like that. But in that Cincinnati game,
fourteen points off of turnovers. You had three picks pretty good,
But I think that they still believe that they should
have scored on that.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Third one too.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I think they're at a point with the with the
ross or that they feel like it's all about them.
That there's a standard now in all those rooms, in
the offense room, defense room, special teams. They know that
they've got a roster that's good enough to win a
Super Bowl. And I think I don't mind that that
standard is high. Sometimes I think it's too high on themselves.
Y Yeah. I thought a Meek was a great example, right,
(03:19):
You ask him to step up guard, one of the
best cover one of the best wide receivers in the league,
gets a pick, does does a great job. The first
thing after the game we talked about was him being
too an aggressive and giving up that long touchdown afterward.
It's stuff like that. I like it. It's a high standard,
but it just goes to show kind of where this
football team is, right Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
And it's like the Shaye Townshend said last week the Lions,
you know, defensive backs coach. He was basically saying, when
you're on offense, you make three mistakes, you punt one time.
If you're on defense, you make three mistakes, you give
up three touchdowns. And I think that was kind of
just the situation that they were in because they were
playing so well and then all it takes is one
little play to kind of, I don't want to say
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unravel everything, because again, they still won the game handily,
but at no point in that game was they were
they ever in danger of losing that game.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
But you know, I think they're at a.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Point now where the wins and losses like they're important
that in the wins matter certainly, but I think these
games are all about, hey, how can we refine the
stuff that could prevent this team from winning a Super Bowl?
And I think that's why maybe the standard is so high,
is because you know, they're not maybe appreciative.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Enough that they're just getting out of there with a win.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
They're saying, yes, we did this, but this could prevent
us from winning a super Bowl. Therefore it needs to fit.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
This could fighte us later in the playoffs, which obviously
has been big the last two years. I think got
a point by you, Jered Golf another one hundred and
fifty plus passer rating game. Ho home, We're getting used
to those but is he a legitimate MVP candidate through
five weeks in year book?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I think so one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
And this is something that you know, we all have
our like morning after columns that we write or whatever,
and I feel like I mentioned Jared Goff and every
single one of them because when I'm doing the game
story and I'm doing you know, the night of I'm like, yeah,
Jared Goff is his normal self, really really good. And
then the next day I'm kind of looking at all
the numbers and I'm like, oh, this was like one
of the best quarterback performances in the NFL last weekend.
Doesn't have a starting left tackle. The four sacks he
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gets hit with those, but he only throws fourig in
completions despite having a guy who you know, and I
think Geo is, you know, a great developmental piece. But
in his first game, the fact that he's still able
to go nineteen for twenty three for two fifty eight
or whatever it was, I think just is a testament
to how good this guy is pre snap and I
think that's something he doesn't get a lot of credit for.
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There was a you know, I think a lot of
times people see tend to favor the guys who create
after the play. But to me, there's no difference between
a guy who can make you know, lemonade out of
lemons after the play and a guy who just does
it before the play. But because it happens before the play,
he doesn't really seem to get a lot of credit
for it because you can't see it. He's got a
new oc, a new center, and he's still hasn't missed
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a beat outside a week one.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
That's big.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
But getting somebody out of a play that's going to
be a disaster, to turnover a sack, changing the protections.
We talked about it a couple of weeks ago. The
I think it was against Cleveland. The second I'm unraw
touchdown wasn't even called in from John up in the booth.
It was something Jared completely changed, completely changed the covered
saw a look earlier turned into an easy touchdown. Everybody
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sees that and go, John, what a great play called
by Morton to scheme that up and get i'm unra open. No, Yeah,
that was golf. And that's the point that you're talking
about and you're making is it's that pre step stuff
that you don't see that's so important for this team
in this.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Offense one hundred percent. And I made this analogy yesterday.
But let's say you on a restaurant, right your top cook.
You got two top cooks. One of them always on time,
always know, always make sure he has prep items backed
up and stuff like that. Everything's hitting the fan. He's
making it look easy. He's swapping things in and out
because he's prepared. He's got all of it. And then
let's say you got another one. You know, he doesn't
like to necessarily show up on time, doesn't know where
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his stuff is. He still gets the job done, maybe
in a timely man. But if he's running all over
the kitchen having to grab this, grab that, you could say, oh,
that's so impressive that that guy's doing it. I'd rather
just have the guy who's prepared. You know, he knows
where it's jalapenos are, he knows where you know, all
those things. And that's that's kind of how I view
Jared Goff as a guy who just he gets to
work the day starts and all of the work that
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he's done is what allows him to have success. People say,
you know that the system, he benefits from the system,
But you and I have heard how many times Jared
Goff is the system. They built this offense in his vision.
So I just feel like a lot of the things
that people knock him for are just not really things
to knock somebody for.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
I think there's an MVV panic cannon on the other
side of the football too. And Aiden Hutchinson has picked
off rate where he left off last year when he
was leading the league in pressures, leading the leading sacks,
obviously had the broken like Week six, and he's showing
Lions fans what they really missed last year. I wrote
that yesterday in my in my notebook, and going for
his fifth straight game with his sack, that'll be a
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franchise record. Nolan. He's just he's playing at an elite level,
and what he means for that defense in terms of
how offenses have to play him and what he means
for the guys directly around him, is invaluable.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
For this football time, absolutely, and he's doing it all
without their second best pass rusher and Alee McNeil, who
could potentially return this week. And I guess we'll hear
from Dan Campbell tomorrow, but yeah, I mean, just the
way that they have to account for him. It's something
that you forget about, you know, down the back stretch
last year where you're saying, oh, this guy can step up,
this guy can step up, and maybe they can recreate
his production and the aggregate. You know what you can't
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recreate in the aggregate doubled and triple teams that are
being sent to one guy and unlocking everything for everybody else.
So absolutely, it's not you know, it's it's it's like
an onion like it's of course it's the production on
its face, but as you continue to peel it back,
you just realize the ripple effects that his presence has
on this defense.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
All right, let's look ahead to this week, go on
the road. Obviously a tough opponent in Kansas City, a
team that's done it at really high level for a
long time. But the seven consecutive AFC championship games, but
no one a little weird seeing that two and three
behind them. You know, penalties, some self inflicted wounds, a
little bit of issues. Right now, Is this a dangerous
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game for Detroit just because you look at Kansas City
at home, coming off a loss on Monday Night football,
they're really a little bit They've got to get right
and they've got to get a win. Is this a
dangerous kind of timing for Detroit?
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Sure, but I think you know they're the Lions are
kind of already in the position already where they are
getting everybody's best shot. Yeah, they are a team like
the Chiefs and the Ravens. Now when wherever you go
into play them, the entire week of preparation is basically
boils down to we have to be on our stuff
this weekend, and I don't expect that to change for
Kansas City this weekend. Obviously, there is a little bit
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of urgency overall. You know, you fall to two and
four and the playoff picture can get a little wonky.
But I think, generally speaking, like this is a team
that is going to play every game the exact same way,
and we've seen it over the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
A couple of opponents who.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
May be going into it, you're saying, well, this should
be an easy win for the Lions, and they go
out there and they make it an easy win, which
is not commonplace in the NFL. A lot of times
these games are close, it doesn't matter who's playing who,
but the Lions, for as long as I can remember,
have just every week delivered their best shots. So yes,
it's something to think about. But with this team, I
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don't even know if I'm even considering it.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
You look at the way Patrick Mahomes is playing, and
that offense is kind of getting back to what we've
seen in the past, you know, with some of the
explosive plays and him playing at a really high level.
I think one of the kind of anomalies at least
early this season, is Patrick Mahomes a runner. He's leading
them in rushing yards. He's averaging five point six yards
per carrier. When I look at this matchup and I
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look at what Calvin Sheppard had planned for Lamar Jackson,
obviously a little bit different of a runner, different of
a player, but same concept, getting out of the pocket,
extending plays with your arms, leg run pass option right,
very dangerous player. Could we see something similar to what
shep did in Baltimore where they really did a nice
job disguising kind of their spies and really focused on
(11:05):
keeping Lamar contained. Can you have the same kind of
plan with Patrick Mahomes despite the fact there's four two
four two four three whatever on the outside too, Or
does that limit you some with what.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
You can do well.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Definitely, I mean, you know, you're gonna have to figure
out a way to get him down, maybe even a
little quicker than you got Lamar Jackson down. But I
actually went back and I was reading the press conference
from after that Ravens game, and Shepherd said that he
used inspiration from Buffalo against Patrick Mahomes to kind of
design that game plan.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
So I think we have it.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
I think he's on top of it, you know, And
that's something that I completely expect to have a very
similar game plan. And just like discipline, discipline, discipline, do
your job, because I think that's one thing that they
did so well in that game was everybody stuck to
their responsibilities. And that's what you have to do when
you play a quarterback like this, because what they're doing
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when they're rolling out as they're waiting for you to
make the mistake, when are you going to make the
mistake that springs us a fifteen yard game? And the
Lions didn't really do that against Baltimore. And so absolutely
different type of runner, for sure, but it's the same
stuff with the leak in the pocket and the pump fake
and then oh, now I'm gonna run for twenty yards,
So a lot of the same things that you got
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to worry.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
About, I think.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Obviously dealing with some injuries in the secondary. Tary Ullard
left that game. He's gonna be out for an undisclosed
amount of time. But it sounds like the news is
better than they first thought. We still got a few
more weeks for dj Reed. Kirby Joseph hasn't practiced to
begin the week. We'll see what his status is. They're
hurt in the secondary. Now you're gonna have a meet
Robertson step up. We're gonna have him on a little
bit later too, and that's gonna be a great conversation.
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But how do the Lions kind of alleviate some of
this pressure that's on the secondary. Is it as easy
as saying, hey, Hutch the front seven, this one's on you.
We're reeling a little bit in the back end. We
still are confident some guys that can step in and play,
but we're down a couple of starters. You guys got
to go, you know, be you and help us win
this game one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
And I think that was one of the big things
with that Baltimore game. I thought the linebackers were the
star of the show in that game, and I think
they're gonna be just as big this weekend, which is.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Which is fine.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
You know, Jack Campbell's playing as well as any linebacker
in the NFL. We know what Derek Barnes, Alex Azeloni,
those guys can do. They're also getting a lot of
contributions from the depth, and that goes for linebacker and
d line. So you know, I think Ellie McNeil coming
back is going to be absolutely massive. If they can
get him going and you can feel his presence, I
think that's gonna be probably the biggest thing that counteracts
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maybe some of the deficiencies they have on the back end,
is the possibility of a Lie McNeil returning and that
front seven getting after it.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
How great do those linebackers compliment each other wonderfully? Yeah,
you know, I think you look at that and varying
skill sets. It seems like chef can put any kind
of scheme down in terms of how he wants to
use his linebackers. So there's blitzing zone, maybe heavy coverage.
Anzo is one of the best in the business. Jack
has really improved that part of this game. It seems
like they could do it all. It gives shep a
(14:02):
lot of options with their linebackers. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Absolutely, and that was something that we you know, when
we talk about depth, I think a lot of times
it strictly in the context of if player A gets hurt,
can player be help uphold the standard? But I think
what you're seeing with this team, and especially in the linebackers,
starting with that Baltimore game, is not only does it
give you guys that you can rely on if your
starters can't play, but it also gets the wheels turning
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of like, oh wait, this guy is like a starting
caliber player, so how can we use that to put
him in the right spot? You know, Trevor and Owaski.
I think he had like thirteen snaps in that Baltimore
seven to thirteen snaps in that Baltimore game, and he
was here and they used him perfectly on those snaps,
and he comes up with a sack, he comes up
with a couple other big plays. Zach Cunningham comes in
to make a stop on the goal line against Eric
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Derek Henry. That kind of flips the game temporarily. So
I think that is the biggest benefit of collecting the
depth that they have is not only having guys who
can jump in in the place of an injured starter,
but also a guy who can contribute a as a
reserve one.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
All right, you've looked at the matchups. You've broken down
the offense defense all week. What's the biggest matchup for
Nolan Biannci.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
I think it's the linebackers against Patrick Mahomes and and
and remaining discipline, same goals, you know, front seven in general.
I think it's just gonna be maintaining that discipline that
you showed against Lamar Jackson and not allowing him to
escape the pocket. And also Calvin Shephard versus you know,
Andy Reid, Like I think that's that's gonna be huge too.
Is does you know now that they've put that on
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film against Baltimore, Kansas City is gonna respond and they're
gonna have some things for the looks that Calvin Shepherd's
gonna show them. Can he adjust in real time and
and find a way to get the edge back. I
think that's gonna be fascinating to watch.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I thought it was interesting listening to Shep this week
when he was talking about Andy Reid and just the
challenge that they provide is is how Andy doesn't give
you similar looks. Yeah, he doesn't maybe tip his hand
a little bit, and how hard it was to come
up with a scheme. They don't do the same thing
on down and distance that some tendencies that you see
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with other offensive Coordineership says, you know, you study them
long enough, you can start to get the tendencies. There's
no tendencies in reading. When you have a quarterback like
Patrick Mahomes who can break any tendency, which just the
off schedule type of plays, It's it's tough. I'm going
to be really interested to see what shep comes up
with because this will really you know, tests kind of
his schemes is thinking hat and his in game adjustments.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
As well well.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
And he also like kind of said that that's what
he wants to do himself. Like remember after that Baltimore game,
we were like, hey, like you change your mind about
the QB spy and he was like, that's the thing though,
like we're not having a QB spy. That's just hey,
easy to identify that's going to be the guy who's
just shoveling back and forth, like they're changing it on
every play. They're kind of trying to do the same
things that Kansas City is doing on offense, but in
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a defensive way.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
And I just I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
It should be a really fun matchup. They're going for
five straight. They're playing really good football right now. That's
going to be a fun atmosphere trying to keep it rolling.
No one, thanks so much for joining me. I appreciate
what We'll be right back with a Meek. Welcome back
to the t one of the Hull podcasters Microsoft. I
am very happy to want them. A Meek Robertson cornerback
(17:10):
extraordinary for the Detroit Lions, and a Meek. I want
to start with this. We were talking to Calvin Sheppard
this week and he said, A Meek's my dog, like
that is my guy. And he said that stems back
from all the way back when you were in high
school and you're from the Louisiana area, justin Jefferson's from
the Louisiana area. You were down at LSU camp and
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he said, this guy he had knee brace on. He
was feeling a little something something. He said. He went
into a line and said, I want that guy justin
Jefferson and and Shep said, that's when I knew like
a Meek was a baller, like he was my guy.
Where's that come from? Has that always been you?
Speaker 6 (17:52):
Always?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Man? You know?
Speaker 6 (17:53):
Always?
Speaker 7 (17:54):
I think I think it I honestly, you know, this
guy given right, but I think it also comes from
just having our and everything right, always being counted out.
You know, it's just it's just my agenda now, you know.
So I've learned how to you know, use it, not
not worry, I mean use it in a positive way.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Use you know. I learned how to use it as
as one of my strengths.
Speaker 7 (18:14):
Right when someone tell me I can't do something, it
as extraal fuel, you know, to to my fire, you know.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
And there's something about you played such a terrific game
last week. I mean, here you are, You're asked to
play one of the best wide receivers in the game.
You play a physical game. You get yourself an interception
by playing that way. We go to you in the
locker room. The first thing you talked about was a
touchdown you gave up, like because you were being a
little bit too aggressive. That's the best receiver in the game.
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The first thing you thought about, not about the performance,
about allowing him to have fifty yards the whole game.
It was the touchdown that you talked about. Is that
just part of that competitive spirit with you? Is it
wanting to be just so perfect?
Speaker 7 (18:59):
It definitely is, man because you know, sometimes you know,
make being his fall. You know, in my life at
playing the position I played, playing dB, I don't ever
say I'm a corner on Nicol, I'm a dB, but
just making it this fall, you know, playing both of
those positions, I had to be different. I had to
do the you know, have crazy numbers. I had to
do the unxtraordinary right. And that's and if I want to,
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you know, if they give me an assignment, you know,
to do that, I believe I have one hundred percent
belief in myself that I can do that because I'm
just highly competitive.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
Like this ain't nothing that you can fake.
Speaker 7 (19:32):
Like this is really who I am, right, and when
I go out there, I know it's not going to
be perfect, but I try to chase, like I try
to be perfect, right, But it's like what do you chase?
You know, when when you out there, do you want
to be mediocre or do you want to be one
of the best in the elite. You know.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
That's and that's what I harp on.
Speaker 7 (19:51):
And now that I have a full opportunity to do that,
I want to take advantage of it, man, because I
you know, I remember how you know, I know how
the bottom feel. Man, I don't I don't want to
go back. So that's why I tried to each and
every day I step from on that grass.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
Man. I'm highly competitive, and I got to point them prove.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
You go back aways with Shep. What's that relationship like
between you two, because listen to him talk about you.
I mean his face just lit up, you know, and
he couldn't say enough good things about what you mean
to this football team with your ability to play the
nickel go outside. One of the most underrated performances all
last year. You guys won fifteen games. It was that
Week eighteen game you had against Justin Jefferson. You know it.
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Just being a guy that can just do anything, step
in when needed, play whatever, no complaints, aggressive, just Shep
seems to love it. What's that relationship like with you
in your new DC.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
Men, Shep Man, you know, we have a great relationship
and it's the thing about it, like because he have
high expectations for him man like shep No, it's like SHEP.
Already know that I'm my worst critic. So it's certain
things that all he knew I could take accountability. He know,
he know why I want to be, you know, in
in my current he knows that I'm hold on myself.
(21:00):
Of course, he know he got a pick bull, he
know he got a dog in in me. But he's
going to stay on me hard to continue, you know,
doing those little things because it's always a little It's
always the little things man, that you mess up in
the game when you you know, and it makes you
not not be perfect. So I love the standard and
the expectation that he set on it because it only
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makes me makes me better. It's times in there that
I might have practice or whatever mess something up He'll
put on the big screen like a meek Like I
tell him, like, that's on me.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (21:30):
I already know you know what I'm saying, because you
know I could take that accountability because he know why
why I want to be and what iut, you know
what kind of player I want to be in this
lead man of relationship being been great, man, the relationship
being great, And all I want to do is prove
him right.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
Of course, you know, prove proven to myself.
Speaker 7 (21:45):
But I want to prove like, I want to show
him that that everything you say about me is true.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
And that's what you want. Man, you got a coach
in your corner.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
You want to go out there and and prove him right,
you know, And I have all all respect for us.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
He seems like a guid to me, me that he'll
get on you and he's not afraid to, but five
minutes later he'll love you up too. And as a player,
you've got a problem. You gotta respect that because he
was a player. He wasn't in your shoes too, and
he knows how to maybe walk that fine line. Players
need some some toughness sometimes some hard love, right, but
but they also want a guy in their corners that
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that to me seems like Chef's genius is that he
can maybe told that line a little bit.
Speaker 7 (22:24):
And the thing about it, like, that's what I want.
I don't want to I don't want to coach that. Okay,
he have talent, so I'm gonn kind of ease up
on Nah. I like a hard coach because that's how
I was That's that's how I was brought up. I
was always brought up earning everything. So it's like, I
don't want to go out there and mess up money
and a coach don't tell me.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
He kind of like, I don't.
Speaker 7 (22:43):
I like that, and shep's fall from that. If you
if you make a mistake that he know that you
better than He's going to tell you about it and
you're gonna feel bad, but you're also gonna learn. It's
like a king when you do something bad and you
get a whooping. But again, you know. So that's what
you want, man, And that's what you want. You want
a leader like that. You want a guy. But at
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the end of the day, he know, he's he's telling
you that from a from a good you know, yeah,
from from place Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
What you want, man, that what you want.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
You have the rare ability to play inside and outside
in this league. You're gonna do both this year, probably
all year long. Just what's the biggest difference of me
from playing inside to outside and what kind of skill
sets do you have to have as a player to
be able to do both?
Speaker 6 (23:30):
And do both at a high level, like you can
do mindset. Man, it's a mindset.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
Man.
Speaker 7 (23:36):
You gotta some guys, don't me personally, I just want
to be on the field, man, I just want to
I just want to be on the field. And whenever
I'm out there, man, you know, whatever play play called.
I try to be myself within a scheme. That's what
they allow me to do. What they allow me to
be myself within a scheme, you know, and not be greeded.
Just play with my instincts and the game going most
of the time, like they tell me, the game gonna
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come to me, don't don't, don't, don't be greeted. Just
just my play style of game is gonna come to me.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 7 (24:02):
So I feel comfortable playing both, man, Like it really
don't even matter to me. I just I just want
to be on the field, and I will do whatever
I can to make to make plays and to help
the team as far as like either either or. I
think I like corner better though, because that guy's underestimate
you know, my size, Like Okay, we're gonna go go
at him. But I like it, you know, I I
embrace that because it gives me more opportunity to show
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what I can do my ball skills and being able
to create turnose.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
You guys play a lot of man here.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
You seem perfect for that kind of of scheme. You
know a lot of corners love to play zone because
you can look in the backfield and there's more opportunities to
make big plays in yourself. But you seem to revel
in the in the man the man. Well, why is that?
Is it?
Speaker 7 (24:46):
Like like I said before, man, mindset Man, It's just
it's it's me versus you, and like I'm just I'm
just highly highly competitive and playing DBS.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
It's hard man, you know.
Speaker 7 (24:55):
It's like you know, it's it's hard you going the
guy backwards, you know when you're out there. But I
am I just embrace it, like I want to play man.
You know, I enjoy playing man. Yeah, Zone is cool,
so I can watch the quarterback and jump stuff whatever,
but playing man man is like, my job is to
just beat beat the guy in front me.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Okay, bet that competitiveness goes throughout everything. One of the
loudest maybe things that happened daily when we're in the
locker room. You are a pretty avid pool player. That
pool table. You are always honest. Uh Vaki's pretty good,
Montgomery's got a little bit of game. But who's the
best pool player in that locker room?
Speaker 6 (25:34):
I mean it's in the most humblest way.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Man, that wouldn't be your style. For sure.
Speaker 7 (25:39):
It's me, But sometimes sometimes the guy you take a loss.
But it's not always a loss, man, it's a lesson,
you know why. You know what, you know, when I
sit I see them play, I'm watching, you know, I'm
watching films. So when I play, you know, just just
not gonna be real. You know, I don't like to
keep it. You know, I'm gonna put it out there.
I just lost, you know what. It's always best out
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of threes. Don't get too high because if you get
too high, the god come knock you all man.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
You know what I'm saying. So we got two more
games to play, you know, and I'm gonna win the
next team.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
How those moments important? That that little time in between
practice meetings, you guys get to play ping pong, pool
build those relationships. Is that is that important part of
the day.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
Very man, very important, because you you know, when you're there,
you going against each other.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
It's competitive. You want to be out.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
There, lea your job, right, but when you you know,
you come back in the locker room, man, it's all laughter,
and you know, we talk about practice and guys because
this is this is this is an ultimate team man,
like this ain't guys ain't faking it. Like guys really
want best, you know, want what's best for one another,
you know.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
And when we're playing.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
Pool, you know, it's it's it's all of course it's competitive,
but it's all fun and games.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
Man.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
You let people know when you win too.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Across the Yeah, yeah, I'll.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
Be seeing the eyes man, you know.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
I mean, you know they you know, they don't they
gonna if they beat me, they gonna make it loud.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
Yeah, get off the you know what I'm saying. So
when I win, I talk. I talk my stuff too.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
Man.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
All right, let's let's let's talk and see real quick
before I let you go and get those two more
against against David in. Obviously you look at them. It
all starts with fifteen, right. Well, Andy Ree's been doing
it a long time at a really high level. He
kind of sets the tone. But fifteen is a hall
of fame guy.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Let's be real.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
You know, if he were quit today be in the
Hall of Fame. They got speed all over the place.
Something goes four two four two four three whatever. You know,
just when you watch him on film, when you're preparing
for him, what is maybe the most dangerous part of
that offense? What do you guys have to be really
good about Sunday night to get get get out of
there with the.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
Win first and foremost?
Speaker 7 (27:41):
Man, you know, mahomes Man fifteen one to five is
a heck of a playoff man. Once you know he's
a he's he's a magician, he's the engine to the call. Right,
you gotta do whatever you can to slow him down,
you know, you know, I see they like you know,
they got speed, they got but you know those guys
are you know some of them deep deep there, guys.
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I think for us, man, we just gotta believe in
the plan, you know, believe in the plane. They do
a lot of emotions, you know, so being able to communicate,
you know, but we got some great communicators in Jack
and and Zoe and Barnes. You know they're gonna put
the defense in a in a right place, you know,
with with SEP calling those places as well.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
So I think We're gonna be cool.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Man.
Speaker 7 (28:20):
You know, they're very explosive, but you know, we we
got the guys that you know Colow, those those explosive plays.
We just gotta trust trust one another, which we already do.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
You guys faced a pretty explosive guy week three on
the road in Baltimore, similar situation. That defense stepped up
handled him. So hopefully you guys can do the same
with number fifteen, win five straight. You guys are rolling
right now. Make that defense is playing really well and
you're a big part of it. I appreciate taking the time.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
I appreciate y'all. Thank y'all so much.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Welcome back to the twenty Minute and Huddle podcast because
in my Microsoft, I am very happy to welcome in.
Jesse Wolke does a great job covering everything Kansas City
used to be with the Kansas City Star has just
started with the athletic Congratulations on the new job, Jesse.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Appreciate it, Tim, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
All right, we Jes, we got to start with this.
This is a little bit strange going into a matchup
against Kansas City and seeing that record behind Kansas City
at two and three. What's been missing from this Chiefs
team through these first five weeks.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
It's a it's a really weird thing to talk about
with the Chiefs because it's coming off the season last
year where they were not apologizing for any close win
they could get. You know, if they kicked the ball
off the upright, it goes through and they win, they're like, hey,
won the game. You know, if they block a field
goal in the last play, it's like, hey, they made
the winning play to win the game. And so last
year twelve to zero and one score games for the Chiefs.
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This year twenty twenty five, oh to three and one
score games, and so the script has completely flipped. The
Chiefs can't come out though and be like, oh, well
we're unlucky or things aren't going our way, because you know,
last year was the exact opposite, and nobody was turning
back in those wins when they started fifteen to one
and ended up making their way off the way to
the Super Bowl. So we here from Patrick Mahomes this week,
so much just talking about winning plays, and you go
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back to the Jaguars game and you know they just
lost on Monday Football thirty one to twenty eight, and
quarterback for the Jaguars Trevor Lawrencers, there's a lot of
credit for making some critical throws, falling down a couple
of times and getting up and scrambling in the end
zone for the one yard run. But those are the
types of plays that we were used to the Chiefs making.
And so we heard so many times when patri Mahomes,
he said winning plays, winning plays, and really the Chiefs
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have come pretty close in the margins to making a
couple of those plays that would make them either three
and two or four and one. You saw in the
Eagles game earlier this year, they had a touchdown potentially
to Travis Kelcey. He bobbles the ball, it goes off
his hands, and the Eagles intercept that pass that becomes
the biggest play of the game. So it's crazy to
talk about a season after and basically having the same
roster come back saying, hey, this chief team hasn't made
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the clutch plays late. But they haven't made the clutch
plays late, and that really has been something that we
have not been used to seeing, especially recently for a
team under Andy Reid.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
You know, another thing for an Andy led team, and
I know it was a difference late in that game
Monday night too, was penalties. You know, they had thirteen
of them, I think against Jacksonville. I went back and looked.
I think they're at forty two for the season, which
I think is top three or top five in the league.
Very uncharacteristic of a pretty veteran team there in Kansas City.
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How have the penalty issues kind of creeped up and
been at issue along with those like you mentioned game
changing plays? Well, game changing penalties as we saw at
the end of that Jacksonville game where they thought they
had it won there on a broken up play in
the end zone and it becomes first down in the touchdown.
How much are penalties kind of creeping in uncharacteristically for
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this team.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Yeah, I'm glad to say that word uncharacteristic, because that's
the sort of thing that Andy Reid. If we know
anything the Chiefs or anything, it's like they're long training camps.
They get the details down, they do things correctly, and
then they're disciplined. And thirteen penalties for one hundred and
nine yards is the opposite of what you would consider disciplined.
And so you know, penalties can be fluky, and I
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don't think I need to tell you this, Tim Like
they have a ten see to sometimes go away when
you're at home and pop up when you're on the road.
So sometimes those things happen as well, and so maybe
the Lions will have a little bit of a different
or experience against the Chiefs than you know, what the
Jaguars had in their particular game. But yeah, this is
you hear any retalking about. He's like, I've got to
get it fixed. This has got to get fixed. And
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this is like top of mind for him when you're
talking to him in his press conference this week, because
uncharacteristic is the word. This is not what we're used
to seeing from the Chiefs, and so many of those
things went against them. The other thing you reference this
as well, but four special teams penalties, and Dave Tobe
has been the top of the NFL in terms of
special teams coaches for a long time now, you know,
going back to his Bears days and Devin Hester, and
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we are so used to the Chiefs just getting these
little edges in special teams every single game in past years,
whether it's Harrison Bucker kicking clutch field goals or them
getting great returns in games that they really need them,
and so it's really jarring when you watch a game
and you see the special team is the difference in
between the Chiefs losing instead of winning. And that's what
we saw last game again, four penalties. They kick the
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ball out of bounce to give the Jaguars the ball
on the forty yard line for their game winning drive.
So a lot of things went wrong there. I'd expect
a couple of those things to get fixed pretty quickly,
and the penalties and special teams will be at the top.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Of the list. Just one of the key matchups this weekend. Obviously,
Detroit's defense is playing pretty well, especially their front seven.
They've got some injuries in the secondary they're they're going
to have to deal with, and you talk to those
guys in the front seven, they say, look, we've got
to step up this week. We've got to create a
little bit more pressure. Give those guys who are going
to be plugging and playing in the back end a
little bit more time to do what they need to do.
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Detroit second in the league in sacks with sixteen after
five weeks. But this Kansas City offensive line, I watched
them on Monday and I've watched them throughout the year,
especially on the tackles tackle spots, they're playing pretty good football.
How key is that matchup this week coming in against
Aiden Hutchinson and those guys who are really getting after
the quarterback. But Kansas City, at least to me, seems
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like they're playing pretty good up front, especially on the edges.
Am I correct?
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Yeah, I mean it's crazy because you think back everybody
watched the Super Bowl obviously and saw exactly where the
Chiefs went wrong is they could not protect Patrick Mahomes
and Eagles players were just streaming through the line through
the whole game and he couldn't get comfortable. It's been
crazy to watch Patter Mahomes the last two or three
weeks because he has gotten comfortable, he's sat back in
the pocket, he's trusted his protection. A lot of that
goes to Josh Simmons you're talking about on the left
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tackle spot. I know there's a next gen stat out
there that just came out this week that said, I
think he's the fifth lowest pressure rate of any left
tackle in football so far this season. I mean, he's
been a godsend for them on the left side. And
you know, Juwan Taylor on the right side has been
inconsistent with penalties and the lining up off sides and all,
you know, some holding penalties things like that, and not
great in the run game, but as far as past
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protection goes, he's been pretty solid and that's sort of
what his MO has been throughout his NFL career. But
it's all led to like, if those two spots are secure,
you've got Trey Smith, and you've got Creed Humphrey. And
now you've got Kingsley Swumati in the second year who's
really emerging and coming on. And you mentioned this no
sacks last week for the Jaguars, a pretty good Jaguars
defensive front coming in against the Chiefs, and Patrick Mahomes
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is sitting back there. He's playing as well as he's
played a long time. And so this is really an
interesting dynamic and interesting contradiction when you look at the Chiefs,
because last week against the Jaguars, seven point six yards
per play. You do that against almost any team you
win the football game. And again, the Chiefs have a
pick six from their one yard line that goes to
other direction. You have all these penalties they have. Weird
things go against them, you end up losing, but their
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offense really is ascending at the right time. I would say, still,
you know, if they're gonna get after a guy, you know,
Josh Simmons is still a rookie and he's still in
his first year, and there still have been moments where
he struggled with hand placement and knowing exactly where to hit. Guys,
especially really talented guys like a Hutchinson would be in there,
So that'll be a great matchup to watch in this game.
That's been a part of the reason the Chiefs offense
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has been emerging as of late. But there is always
sort of that hold your breath moment because you put
a rookie against a really talented player like Hutchinson and
crazy things can't happen.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Yeah, I mentioned the injuries the Lions are dealing with earlier.
You're down to their third cornerback out there, and you
might have to plug in place some other guys at
some certain boss will see if Taylor Decker's back at
left tackle after he missed last week. How are the
Chiefs injury wise anything of concern heading into this week
or are they pretty good?
Speaker 4 (36:09):
I mean it is It is crazy talking about this
two and three team, tim because I just wrote at
the Athletic this morning about like they're two and three
but potentially four signs they can turn it around. Their
injury report yesterday they had no one limited in practice,
no one like on there to broster, no one.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
They're missing nobody.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
And so like you look at all these signs, like
you know, Vegas loves them right now, they're like if
you've made a Vegas Sportsbook power ranking that you used
to be third, they'd be the top team in the AFC.
They're two and three, so they're still saying, oh, this
is a really good team. Patrick Mahomes right now in
the sports betting odds, he's second in the MVP voting
right now, only behind Josh Allen and three. Like, if
you're gonna say, tell me there were two and three
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going into the season, you'd be like, oh, Mahome's not
trusting is his you know O line? And maybe he's
not playing well. He's second in MVP voting and they're struggling.
I just mentioned the offensive lines playing as well as
they could hope. Uh, but yeah, you add that to it,
like Christian Fulton's the main guy a cornerback that he's
been out with ankle injuries and knee injuries, but he
could be back for this game. He was a full
participant yesterday, Omar Norman Lott. He's their second round defensive tackle.
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They desperately need defensive tackles to be in their next
to Chris Jones, and he was a full participant yesterday
in practice, so you expect him back out there against
the Lions. The Chiefs not only are sort of emerging offensively,
they're getting healthy and there really aren't many excuses for
them to not win football games, even against tough opponents
coming up, and to try to get their season turned around.
So it is crazy looking. You know, they just played
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the Ravens a couple weeks ago. You know how injuries
can totally derail the season off that happens. But this
Chiefs team right now, for them knock on wood. I mean,
they are as healthy as they could be heading into
the stretch where they desperately need some wins.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
We I'm curious from you, what's the key matchup? What
does Kansas City have to do to defend home turf
Sunday night national broadcast. Obviously they've got to get right,
a big game for them going to and four. That
puts you behind the eight ball. What's the matchup that
they're looking at that they say, Hey, we've got to
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win this matchup to be able to knock Detroit off
and get this thing back rolling.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
So, if I'm being honest with you, Tim, like the
first year I cover the Chiefs was back in their
Super Bowl victory against the Eagles, and that team was
offense led, And I think this team is getting to
that point, like they are emerging offensively at the right time.
They're about to get Rashi Rice back next week, and
already the offense is taking steps to say, hey, this
is the sort of thing we saw from the Chiefs
four years ago, five years ago, six years ago. The defense,
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to me is taken a little bit of a step back.
And so if I'm looking at matchups and I'm looking
at strengths versus weaknesses, I think the biggest thing for
the Lions in this game is they are so good
under center, they are so good with play action, and
the Chiefs are worse than the NFL in both of
those measures. So the Chiefs face a real struggle right now.
I just talked about the defensive tackle depth. They have
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Chris Jones, obviously i'll pro been great, but beside him,
they've had some real issues, especially stopping them on Derek
Noddy they traded back from the Jets early in the season.
He has not been very productive for them. And they
have great downhill tackling safeties, great downhill tackling cornerbacks, great
downhill tackling linebackers, especially Nick Bolton in the middle. But
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what happens is because they're sort of making up for
that gap on the interior, they have those guys flow
so hard downhill that if you go play action, if
you go under center, you get them. And that's what
you saw if you go back to the tape of
the Chargers game in Week one, justin Herbert over and
over under center, play action, linebackers flowing downhill, huge spaces
in the intermediate, huge spaces on inbreaking routes. To mean,
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that's the biggest matchup of this game, because if the
Lions can do what they do well, if they can
establish that and if they can hit on those sorts
of passes, that really is the basis of their offense.
You know, hit some runs, hit some runs and then
get behind those linebackers and those free flowing guys downhill
and get those intermediate chunkyard games. It's gonna be real
hard for the Chiefs. I mean, this is gonna have
to be a shootout for them to win. They potentially
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can win it. Patrick Mahomes and the offense is looking
really good right now. But in terms of that rank
versus weakness matchup, look at in breakers, look middle of
the field, look play action. That's where the Chiefs have
struggled mightily this season. And that's an area where the
Lions have been really, really good.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Yeah, they have been really You have a ton of
Lions fans smiling ear to ear right now hearing that
from you. Because Jared Golf is one of the best
in the league at play action. The Lions offense is
one of the best of the league, and I contend
that Jared Golf is one of the best in you know,
intermediate en route cutting throwers in this league. The Detroit
wants to attack the center of a defense with the
run game, with the play action game, and then they
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want to hit Jamison Williams, one of the top five
fastest players in this league, who's you know, had a
couple you know, quiet weeks they're going to look to
get him going. Maybe this is a week they try
to get right with that Jesse. Lions were in Kansas
City two years ago for the season opener. Kind of
ruined that that Super Bowl banner presentation by the Chiefs.
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I'm just curious two years later, obviously these teams look
a lot different. But who's a new guy that maybe
Lions fans don't know. Whether it's a young guy free agent,
maybe not one of those big name Kansas City guys
that we've gotten used to in their run over the years.
But who's the guy that could maybe make an impact
Sunday night that that Lions fans aren't real familiar with
and maybe they should get familiar with.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
Well, yeah, this is a joke, I know. If this
is so, let me say that up front. But Chris
Jones is a guy that didn't play in that Lions game,
only showed him in the press box, remember with his
age holding out, So that'll be a guy to get
to know. He'll be motivated this week. It was crazy
because the last play of the game, when Trevor Lawrence
had that one yard touchdown run and dove in you know,
the highlights basically showed that Chris Jones was kind of
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just standing in a spot and didn't hustle to the place.
So he's faced some kind of widespread criticism this week,
you know, from people out there to not hustle. Now, listen,
Chris Jones is out there for almost every snap. It's
crazy how much he plays, and so I definitely would
extend him some grace there. But I think they're gonna
get a motivated player there. But a couple of names
to keep in mind. I did mention Omar Norman Lott,
who should be coming back from soldier shoulder injury in
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the middle. He just brings so much pass rush juice
next to Chris Jones. And really the two games the
Chiefs lost in Week one and last week, they both
came down to the same thing, which was they needed
third and long stops at the end of the game
and couldn't get them because a guy like Chris Jones
had just played almost every snap and so getting him back.
He was one of the top guys in terms of
pressure rates in college last year at Tennessee. He's real
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springy on the inside and so he potentially could make
a play there. And then another guy emerging offensive that
has definitely a guy to watch is seventh round pick
Berchard Smith. I don't mean this in the way that
a lot of Chiefs fans think I mean it, but
he is sort of like a mcicole Hardman to them.
He is sort of like a Kadarius Tony to them
in that he was a receiver most of his college
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career transition to running back last year. But the Chiefs
are playing him like a gadget player. They're playing him like, hey,
you take an end to a round, you take a quick
screen on the outside, And he has a great burst,
great speed, and he's getting more involved with the offense
week by week, and so their running backs to the Chiefs
running backs don't have too much explosive dynamic ability, but
Burchard Smith is a guy who can break one. But
look for him sort of into creative plays, the pop passes,
(43:05):
you know, the quick screens of the outside, and like
I said, eight week by week he's giving them more
and more plays, adding more and more to the playbook.
The more he can take on mentally, the more he's
gonna help the Chiefs here. Throughout the course of the
rest of the season.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
All right, last one for you, Jesse. I'm curious what
have Chiefs players and coaches said about this matchup said
about this Detroit Lions team coming in obviously four and one,
they've won four straight, looking for five straight, playing pretty
well in all three phases. I'm just curious what have
they kind of said about what kind of game they
expect Sunday night in Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
Well, you know, I think Dan Campbell has brought this
mentality that you know, even if you're not following the
lines closely, you think of them in a certain way.
You think of them as aggressive, physical, and I can't
tell you. I mean, it was at least repeated three
or four times by Patrick Mahomes in his press conference
where he said, we have to match their mindset, their mentality,
their aggressiveness, all those sorts of things. So the Chiefs
(43:57):
are expecting a battle in this one. The other thing
that'll be interested in is last week against the Jaguars.
Andy Reid thought the course of the season, he's been
really aggressive on fourth downs, and the Chiefs were not
aggressive against the Jaguars. A couple fourth and twos they
punted early. But we know what the Lions do man.
And it's funny because when Andy Reid played at home
against the Ravens and Harbaugh like the Chiefs went for
(44:18):
a lot of fourth downs because I think in Andy's mind,
he sort of matches what he thinks he has to
do for the other team. And so this is probably
bad news for Lions fans obviously, But I think two
and three at home and with what the Lions do,
I think you're gonna get a and Andy Reid that's
as aggressive as he's going to be in any game,
any matchup. And like I said, the Chiefs, their backs
(44:39):
are against the wall right now. It doesn't seem like it
if you go under the hood and look at their
advanced stats. It doesn't seem like if you look at
their injury report or how Patrick Mahomes is playing. But
they desperately need to win that they need to get
to three and three and get Rashid Rice back next
week and try to kind of change the course of
the season. But I would expect the Chiefs to come
out with a lot of emotion, a lot of physicality,
and a lot of aggressiveness because they are going to
try to match what they leave.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
The lines are gonna bring to Arrowhead and you know
that place is going to be rocking Sunday night on
Sunday Night football. It'll be a great atmosphere. Two really
good football teams. I don't care what the record says.
When you have Patrick Mahomes and that guy steps on
the field, you've got a shot every single week. Their
backs are a little bit against the wall. Detroit's rolling,
so such an interesting dynamic Sunday Night in Kansas City.
(45:21):
You will be there covering everything from Kansas City perspective.
I got Detroit covered. It should be a great matchup. Jesse,
thanks so much for taking the time. I appreciate it,
and we'll talk to you Sunday night.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
Sounds good to appreciate it.
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