April 20, 2025 • 26 mins
In this final draft preview episode of "Weekend Warriors," Anish and Tom take a holistic look at the prospects in the 2025 NFL Draft class. Tune in as they discuss the top talents in this year’s draft, analyze their potential impact on the Panthers, and make their own mock drafts.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
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one or older to be eligible. I think everybody in
this draft is twenty one year older. We might have
a few twenty year olds.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Well no, yeah, we should have a few twenty year olds. Well.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
The other thing too, is COVID has interrupted that COVID
made everybody older.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Everybody older. Yeah, it kind of makes you realize when
you look at a Bryce Young for example, he's only
twenty three years old.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I know.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
And it's interesting too because when you talk NFL draft,
and if you wanted to go old school on it, right, coaches, gms,
they all want the quarterback that it has red shirted
is at least a junior. They preferably want a senior.
They want at least two years as a starter, a
minimum completion prisoner. And this is going back decades, right,
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and then you start to realize, okay, well, then you
get into the three and out world, right, and you know,
then the mistakes are made, Mark Sanchez, Mitch Drubisky, all
of this, and that. Look at this last year's draft,
look at the players, particularly at quarterback that succeeded big time.
There's sixty year guys Jaden Daniels, oh Nicks. Right, that's
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a lot of football, and there's value in that, and
it matters, right, it really does matter. And so you
know in this particular draft, regardless of the position, you're
gonna have some of that. But I bet if we
fast forward five seven years from now and you went
back and you looked at two to three consecutive drafts,
guys that were in college for four years or more
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are all having success.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah, I mean, you just don't see it anymore. And no, again,
it's the sample size of success too. Is it one year?
Is it multiple years? Right?
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Right?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I mean and that you know, everybody talks about how
many how many snaps has a guy had, particularly in
the offensive line, Like Okay, well, you know he had
thirty six starts over the such and such amount of years,
and he gave up you know, this many QB pressures
or he gave up this many sacks.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Well, it does matter.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Versus a guy who's a three and out guy maybe
didn't truly start as a true freshman but a little bit,
and now he's only played in twenty four total games
and has limited snaps.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
There is risking that.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Any shroft Tom Logan Bill, we have gone through all
the position groups of interest to the Carolina Panthers leading
up to this draft. We're gonna step back and look
at this draft holistically, and the one position group we
haven't touched, and for obvious reasons, the Panthers are not
in the market for a quarterback. Bryce Young finished strong
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in twenty twenty four. He's the guy Going into twenty
twenty five, Andy Dalton was brought back. Most teams only
roster too active quarterbacks, so they're not looking to draft
a third guy. However, the quarterback market is one to
watch for the draft and where the Panthers draft and
what their options are, because if a couple of more
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quarterbacks start to get first round buzz, it gives Carolina
options with the number eight pick. I think right now
the prevailing sentiment is Shador, Sanders and cam Ward will
be off the board before number eight.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
When I was at the combine in Indye, the name
that was generating a ton of buzz was Jackson Dart
quarterback yet Ole Miss. Yes, let's say Jackson Dart starts
to creep up these draft boards and even creep into
the top ten. What we have seen in the past
when teams trade up for a quarterback, they generally give more,
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and it potentially makes that number eight pick for the
Panthers a lot more.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Valuable, absolutely, and I think that.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
You know, then you start getting into discussions about trying
to accumulate more picks because of position, value goes up
and now more people are jockey and to get higher
to take one of those guys. In the case of
Jackson Dart, I don't know if I would say he's
a top ten pick or if somebody you know, thinks
that he maybe and is threatened by that, maybe they'd
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be willing to potentially make a move. But I go
back to the point I just made about Jaden Daniels
and BONICKX. He's a fifth year guy. He's played a
ton three year starter, right, so you know, there's not
a lot of in a three year starter not starting
his true freshman year. It was after that, so he's
been around for a while with the quarterback position. I
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don't think it's a great quarterback class. I'm not convinced that,
and I'm not I think he is a really, really
good player, Shoudoor Sanders, that is. But I also think
that he's got some flaws and some bad habits, And
at times I question if his name was Shadoor Johnson
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or Shadour Smith and he played at Oregon State or
he played at you know, Arkansas, would we be having
the same conversation.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
And you know, the thing about cam Ward, I think
that as much as we love his flair and his
style of play and you got to broadcast one of
the most controversial games all year long in college football
this past fall with the Virginia Tech Miami game. He's
also coming from an offense that has been one of
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the most spectacular offenses to ever hit college football. You
cannot name on one hand how many people that have
played in that offense that have succeeded in the National
Football League. Right now, it's Patrick Mahomes, Jared Golf, all right,
and somebody try and name a third for me right now.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
But remember when Patrick Mahomes was drafted, they said the
same thing. Of course they did, and they said, all
these off platform throws that he's making, that's not gonna
fly on sundry. Well, not only has it flown now,
guys practiced that absolutely, and now you have to be
able to do that.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
People have changed how they're coaching quarterbacks because of him.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Because of him.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah, and Cam Moore does a lot of those of
those things, certainly not as physically imposing. But I think
it's going to be intriguing to watch this draft class.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
I look at it this one. Look at the teams
that just need a quarterback going into free agency. You
got the Jets, Okay, the Browns, the Steelers, I think
you could say maybe the Colts. I don't think they're
sold on Anthony Richardson. How could you be the Titans.
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It's five teams. I know the Raiders traded for Geno Smith,
but that's not a long term answer. No, So to me,
they're not out of the quarterback mix. Maybe not a
first round pick that's sixteen.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
But that move tells you what the Raiders think about
this quarterback class.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Maybe it does. To be honest, I'm not sure I
understand it completely because to me, in that division where
you have Nix and Mahomes and Herbert, you kind of
need a home run at quarterback to compete well.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
And it's it's interesting about that is had the Falcons
not taken Michael Pennix junior last year, that's what the
Raiders would have taken him. Instead, they got Bowers, they
got brock Powers, right, so you go, it's one of
those deals where our need is this if he's not
there best available player.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
So you know, you got about a half dozen teams
in the AFC, in the NFC, certainly the Giants need
a quarterback in the NFC. North Chicago set Detroit Set,
Green Bay Set, Minnesota looks like they're gonna hand the
reins off to McCarthy New Orleans maybe. And then in
the NFC West Seattle, Yeah. Sit.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
The other thing about that is, I think.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
That's close to what eight nine teams there?
Speaker 3 (08:36):
It is close to eight nine teams, but it's not
a in my opinion, an overly strong quarterback class. So
I think every one of those teams that's in the
mix would be reaching a bit.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
But don't teams normally reach for quarterbacks anyway, even takes
your door and camp ward if you're just going based
on best available. They're not top five picks, no, but
they're going to go in the top five or the
top eight or whatever because they're quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Correct, Yeah, and because there's so few of them. So yeah,
to your point, you're forced.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
To take that reach.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
You grew up in the UH in Southern cal right. Yep.
You're a big forty nine.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Ers fan, huge, actually, big Joe Montana fan.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Okay, Yeah, I was a big Jerry Rice fan. Grow.
Oh that eighties forty nine Er team, that dynasty. They
traded down a lot and they amassed multiple draft picks.
This trading down in this draft makes sense for Carolina.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Absolutely because I think it allows you to get multiple
picks prior to the fifty seventh pick, all right, and
allows you to address multiple needs but potentially addressed just
your defensive front seven with multiple players before the fourth round.
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I think that would make a ton now I say that,
but if there is, if they're convinced on Jalen Walker,
or they're convinced on Mason Graham and not even talking
about Ted McMillan, because I think there's just too much
value in the wide receiver position top to bottom. Rounds
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one through seven, you're gonna find multiple guys there. But
I think there's only two to three players that would
prevent Carolina from trading down.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
So who are they.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Let's let's list of Mason Graham, Mason Graham, Jalen Walker, Tyler,
Tyler Warren.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
That's it to me.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
It is Will Johnson, Yeah, because I think he's generational.
You do, but but he doesn't rush the passer right
now and right now. To take the pressure off the
back end, They've got to do something to be able
to stop the run and rush the passer.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
And it starts with front players.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I wonder and again, this is just because of what
we're hearing about the edge rusher class, Yeah, being as
deep as it is, And we talked about a bunch
of these guys on an earlier podcast. Right, it's not
just Jalen Walker, it's you got Abdul Carter at the top,
Mike Green, who am I missing here? James Pierson with
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some of the issues. It's a deep class and you
might be able to get guys later in the draft too.
You know, again, not everyone created equally Apr out of
Virginia Tech as Iraku out of BC, even some interior alignement,
like a guy like a Walter Nolan. You know, you
got some pieces there in the front at edge on
the defensive line you might be able to get outside
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of round one. I wonder if that changes how you
approach the draft saying, yeah, we know we need an edge,
We know we need more pass rushers to help out
Clowney and help out want them, keep those guys fresh.
But we could still get value in round two, three,
four at edge, which usually isn't the case, but in
this draft it might be.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
It is because it's the strongest positional group in the
twenty twenty five NFL draft all shapes and sizes, as
you mentioned, now, they're gonna be there are going to
be personnel departments that are going to check guys off
their board, not because they don't think they're good football players,
but they have very strict, stringent, critical factors that have
to be checked. Like there are going to be teams
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that will not take a defensive end if his arm
is in a certain length or his height isn't a
certain height. That's just and that's the makeup of their
personnel department and the type of player that they're looking for.
So can that hinder you a little bit in those
later rounds? Yeah, it probably It probably could if you're
one of those teams that's going to do that.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Here's the other part. So you're assessing the draft, you
look at round one, I think most teams are looking
for at minimum a starter. You're picking in the top ten.
You want a guy who's a future Pro Bowl. Yeah,
you get to round two starter with upside. What's kind
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of the the barometer in round two?
Speaker 4 (13:02):
A guy like Shamar Stewart, right who kind of yeah,
kind of emerged this year and blew up.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Some and and then you know as a good outing
in Indie and then all of a sudden, that guy's
somebody where you're saying, all right, he started to blossom later,
meaning his ceiling is still higher. Is their value there?
And he may be a guy that's climbed up so
high that he wouldn't be. But that came to mind
when you ask the question, because I think that you
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can expect there to be different maker type players that
aren't in the first round. They go on to be
Pro Bowl, elite level productive players. And again it's about
doing your homework.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
It is, and you know that there's certain teams that
we see it every year, always are finding guys later
in the drafty and I thought, if you look at
you know, Dan Morgan's first draft in Trevn Walla, so
we picked up in round three, you got a potential
starter j T Sanders tight end in round four, potential
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starter Shaw Smith Wade who you got in round five
that might be your nickelback this year or somebody who
will figure into that rotation. And then even the undrafted
guys Jalen Kocher is a legitimate piece, potential starting wide receiver.
Undrafted free agent Demani Richardson had a couple of double
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digit tackle games starting at safety as an undrafted rookie.
To me, are those are the bonus levels. Those are
the side quests where if you can find a starter
round four through seven undrafted free agents, to me, that's
where you win the draft because those are again low
cost starters. You now can spend that money and free
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agency elsewhere. If Bryce continues on this trajectory, you know,
in a couple of years, you.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
Gotta pay Yeah, yeah, you have to pay Bryce.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
And this would allow you to buy yourself some time
there by not invest overly investing. And you know, like
if you look at the defensive front seven, not just
in the front, but the linebacker level right right, So
you got Josie Jewel there right, but you don't have
any competitive depth to either side.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Of him or behind him.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
So the linebacker position, whether you want to call it
an edge, an outside guy, or an inside guy, there's
a lot of those guys too in this draft that
I think from round three to five, three to six
or could be some potentially really good players.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
You know, that last piece, the competitive depth at a position. Yeah,
in a league where I think the shelf life sometimes
is shorter than we even think it is for a player.
The best team seems to seem to always have that
they gets the next man up, Like take the Ravens.
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You know you can let Awan Smith go. You're fine,
Patrick Queen, we got Kyle Hamilton.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Yeah. And you know how you do that.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
You do that by making good decisions round four through
seven because those are low cost, potentially great players. And
to be honest, it kind of goes back to the
whole Belichick Patriots model. And if you've noticed, what they
always did is the value rounds four through seven. But
then in free agency, if they had a guy that
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was an elite level player, they never resigned him, they
let him go. They are always looking for the guy
that's one contract removed from that, right, And that's kind
of their The free agency is their version of rounds
four through seven.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
You don't want to spend big on guys who may
have already played their best ball for someone else.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Yeah, And when you look in free agency, when you look,
you go back twenty five. Let's say what ninety four
was planing b free agency? I believe go back all that.
Very few great players get to free agency, correct, And
very few players that get the great contract are great
after it because there's not that low hanging fruit anymore.
So like that's why somebody like Dion Sanders I admire
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so much, because there are very few people that went
from contract to contract to contract to team to team
that were was as good, if not better the next
time we went around until age caught up with him
in Baltimore. Sure, but you look at that, there's very
few players that do that. So the the percentages, you're
not weigh in your favor to pay big money for
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a free agent.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
No, And again you look at the formula, and the
Panthers seem to want to employ this formula too. You
want to draft, well, yeah, and then you want to
take care of your homegrown guys yes, before they get
to free agency, which also, to me, sends a message
to the other fifty two guys or fifty three guys
in the locker room where you're saying, listen, you come here,
you produce, you play, well, we got you.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
And they've done it with Cuba Hub, They've done it
with J. C. Horn amongst other guys. It's kind of
like Taylor Mowten.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah, It's kind of like what many many college programs
are now doing in name, image and likeness, where instead
of going out there and trying to poacht the shiny
toy from somewhere else, they're taking their resources and investing
it in the guys who performed well for them so
that they don't want to go anywhere else.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Now.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
You maintain sun semblance of continuity, right, and that's kind
of what I like in that too.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
We're going to end this draft episode in our draft
show with the exercise that I hope isn't completely futile.
I think this will depend on the algorithm that we're using,
but we're gonna run through a mock draft. We love
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Show airing on day one of the draft, which is
April twenty fourth, you don't want to miss it. Entrance
must be twenty one years or older to participate and
be elevle. So to wrap up this exercise, we decided
to take a spin in one of these mock draft simulators.
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We'll see how this exercise goes. And again you just
sort of at the mercy of how these drafts fall.
They offer you trades. We didn't do any trades. So
just pick and where the Panthers would pick in this
upcoming draft. So I guess I'll start number eight first round.
I went best available and I went Tyler Warren, the
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tight end from Penn State.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
How did you get that? That wasn't even offered me?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
It was available online? Well, how does that work all
the you know, defensive plate. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
It's a different algorithm on the same website.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Could be maybe there was a trade in the top
seven in yours. No I rejected off trade. Well, no,
maybe another team got.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Off all maybe, so okay, So I went Jalen Walker,
Jaalen Walker. All right, I did not have Mason Graham
or Tyler Warren available.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
I didn't have Graham available McMillan was available, Graham was gone,
Walker was available. We have talked a lot about Tyler
Warren and again that kind of pass catcher. I know,
I know the need is defense, yeah, but you know here.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
We talked about that though. If there was one guy
that you'd say, let me think about this.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
So, Tim, who'd you take in round two?
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Round two, fifty seven of the pick? I took linebacker
Demetrius Knight. Okay, all right, Carolina.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yeah, I got Shamar Turner right in Texas. Ay and okay, yeah,
So fortifying the defensive front. Round three at seventy four,
I ended up with Kyle Knnar algarithms line. So you know,
you've gone edge linebacker and the backer edge, and I've
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gone tight end d line edge, and then I went
edge again in round four. Together I saw in college,
I really like Antoine Powell Island nice.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
I actually did something very similar but a different I
went smu Is Elijah Roberts.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Okay, that's a big boy. That's a big boy. Good
player too. Who'd you go with that second round four pick?
Is that the one thirteen? I went with Maryland's Tie
Felton wide receiver, wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
I got to see him this He's good. He's very
very good. And apparently the little draft grade board here
really likes that.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
They gave me an A on that one.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Gave me an A. I got a D plus on
my round four second pick. You did, yeah, Jack Kaiser
linebacker at a Notre Dame because the UCLA guy's gone
and it's so similar. That's right, and so hey, Nita
linebacker went Kaiser. Round five. We talked about this guy
on on one of our earlier pods, Brishard Smith.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
That as Oh that's a nice one.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
What grade did they give you B minus for round five? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:06):
You know at that point, so I went with louisvill
wide receiver to Corey Brooks.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
What grade they give you for that one? F Oh
god makes a lot of plays, dude, same thing, all right?
Second round five pick one, I took Danny Stutzman Ah
from Oklahoma. They gave you a D minus for that one.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Okay, Well, I just got a D plus for taking
Brant Keithy, the tight end from Utah.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
That guy's a dude.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Now, if he gets back and he's healthy, you talk
about a guy that can line up anywhere.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
He's really good.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Health has been too. He's been around for a few years.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
I don't know, running out of bodies though, Like I
started getting down there.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Like who are some of these guys? It's hard. So
now we're we're at the end of round five. I
went with the safety from Alabama, Malachi Moore. Okay, you
know what the draft grade was, F minus F.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Okay, Well, I'm actually I got an F on this
one too, and I'm really surprised because it's defensive tackles.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Zeke Biggers. Oh, they gave me an he was available,
though he was available Georgia Tech. Yeah, six foot six
thirty five inch arms. You're gonna be in a three
man front. He's the perfect nose. What I don't know.
At the end of round five, you got an F. Yes,
got a mock simulation. At that point, you're you're you know,
you're you're looking for a lottery ticks.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Then pickens. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
For the last pick round seven, two twenty nine, I
took the corner out of Nebraska. Tommy Hill got a
B for that one.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Did you Okay?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
I got a B for mine too, But I went
BYU edge defensive end Tyler Batty.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
So I had Battye a couple of times this year. Yeah,
that could be a steal. Yeah, and I think he's
also a locker room guy. Makes you better. That was
a good BYU defense this year, really good, really good defense.
What'd you get for your overall draft grade? Uh?
Speaker 4 (23:55):
It did not give me one? At the very bottom,
at the very bottom. I do not have a grade.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Okay, I got I gotta be Oh, well that's probably
what I I just have it right here.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Mine's not doing that. In fact, my my screen looks
different than that.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
You're on a different website.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Oh I'm on a different one, No wonder, our algorithms
are different.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah. So as I accomplished the yeah, there you go. So,
uh it's a fun exercise. But again, I think you
know what's going to be fascinating. And Bran Till's, you know,
executive VP for player personnel. He told me at the combine.
He said, ideally the Panthers want to get to a
point where you get through free agency you feel like
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you have a roster that can compete in a game. Sure,
Ideally you want to get to a point where you
go into the draft and you can take the best
available player. If Carolina can do defensively what they were
able to do on the offensive side last year, especially
in the trenches. Again, the arrows pointing up for this franchise.
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It's gonna make a big difference. Derek Brown coming back
is going to make a massive difference. And this is
on Dan Morgan and Dave Canalis in this front office
to continue to build this culture, which again showed a
lot of promise in year one of this new regime.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Yeah, and I think you know, once you get the
core nucleus, which is what they're referencing nuclear nuclear nucleus, yes,
in place. Once that then you it's plugging a little
piece of the puzzle here and a piece of the
puzzle here. But like you talk about that offensive line,
that's now a core nucleus. That's now something that can
be built around the edges. And now the next phase
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is to do the exact same thing to the defensive front.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah. And to me, when you have those two units
stabilized and when their strengths they allow you to mask
deficiencies elsewhere, there's.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
No question it's the ultimate cover up.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
I mean, and it doesn't matter fits in the National
Football League, college football, going all the way down to
high school football. The common denominators amongst championship teams are
those things right there.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
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one or older to be eligible. I think everybody in
this draft is twenty one year older. We might have
a few twenty year olds.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Well no, yeah, we should have a few twenty year olds. Well.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
The other thing too, is COVID has interrupted that COVID
made everybody older.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Everybody older. Yeah, it kind of makes you realize when
you look at a Bryce Young for example, he's only
twenty three years old.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I know.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
And it's interesting too because when you talk NFL draft,
and if you wanted to go old school on it, right, coaches, gms,
they all want the quarterback that it has red shirted
is at least a junior. They preferably want a senior.
They want at least two years as a starter, a
minimum completion prisoner. And this is going back decades, right,
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and then you start to realize, okay, well, then you
get into the three and out world, right, and you know,
then the mistakes are made, Mark Sanchez, Mitch Drubisky, all
of this, and that. Look at this last year's draft,
look at the players, particularly at quarterback that succeeded big time.
There's sixty year guys Jaden Daniels, oh Nicks. Right, that's
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a lot of football, and there's value in that, and
it matters, right, it really does matter. And so you
know in this particular draft, regardless of the position, you're
gonna have some of that. But I bet if we
fast forward five seven years from now and you went
back and you looked at two to three consecutive drafts,
guys that were in college for four years or more
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are all having success.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah, I mean, you just don't see it anymore. And no, again,
it's the sample size of success too. Is it one year?
Is it multiple years? Right?
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Right?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I mean and that you know, everybody talks about how
many how many snaps has a guy had, particularly in
the offensive line, Like Okay, well, you know he had
thirty six starts over the such and such amount of years,
and he gave up you know, this many QB pressures
or he gave up this many sacks.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Well, it does matter.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Versus a guy who's a three and out guy maybe
didn't truly start as a true freshman but a little bit,
and now he's only played in twenty four total games
and has limited snaps.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
There is risking that.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Any shroft Tom Logan Bill, we have gone through all
the position groups of interest to the Carolina Panthers leading
up to this draft. We're gonna step back and look
at this draft holistically, and the one position group we
haven't touched, and for obvious reasons, the Panthers are not
in the market for a quarterback. Bryce Young finished strong
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in twenty twenty four. He's the guy Going into twenty
twenty five, Andy Dalton was brought back. Most teams only
roster too active quarterbacks, so they're not looking to draft
a third guy. However, the quarterback market is one to
watch for the draft and where the Panthers draft and
what their options are, because if a couple of more
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quarterbacks start to get first round buzz, it gives Carolina
options with the number eight pick. I think right now
the prevailing sentiment is Shador, Sanders and cam Ward will
be off the board before number eight.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
When I was at the combine in Indye, the name
that was generating a ton of buzz was Jackson Dart
quarterback yet Ole Miss. Yes, let's say Jackson Dart starts
to creep up these draft boards and even creep into
the top ten. What we have seen in the past
when teams trade up for a quarterback, they generally give more,
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and it potentially makes that number eight pick for the
Panthers a lot more.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Valuable, absolutely, and I think that.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
You know, then you start getting into discussions about trying
to accumulate more picks because of position, value goes up
and now more people are jockey and to get higher
to take one of those guys. In the case of
Jackson Dart, I don't know if I would say he's
a top ten pick or if somebody you know, thinks
that he maybe and is threatened by that, maybe they'd
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be willing to potentially make a move. But I go
back to the point I just made about Jaden Daniels
and BONICKX. He's a fifth year guy. He's played a
ton three year starter, right, so you know, there's not
a lot of in a three year starter not starting
his true freshman year. It was after that, so he's
been around for a while with the quarterback position. I
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don't think it's a great quarterback class. I'm not convinced that,
and I'm not I think he is a really, really
good player, Shoudoor Sanders, that is. But I also think
that he's got some flaws and some bad habits, And
at times I question if his name was Shadoor Johnson
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or Shadour Smith and he played at Oregon State or
he played at you know, Arkansas, would we be having
the same conversation.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
And you know, the thing about cam Ward, I think
that as much as we love his flair and his
style of play and you got to broadcast one of
the most controversial games all year long in college football
this past fall with the Virginia Tech Miami game. He's
also coming from an offense that has been one of
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the most spectacular offenses to ever hit college football. You
cannot name on one hand how many people that have
played in that offense that have succeeded in the National
Football League. Right now, it's Patrick Mahomes, Jared Golf, all right,
and somebody try and name a third for me right now.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
But remember when Patrick Mahomes was drafted, they said the
same thing. Of course they did, and they said, all
these off platform throws that he's making, that's not gonna
fly on sundry. Well, not only has it flown now,
guys practiced that absolutely, and now you have to be
able to do that.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
People have changed how they're coaching quarterbacks because of him.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Because of him.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah, and Cam Moore does a lot of those of
those things, certainly not as physically imposing. But I think
it's going to be intriguing to watch this draft class.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
I look at it this one. Look at the teams
that just need a quarterback going into free agency. You
got the Jets, Okay, the Browns, the Steelers, I think
you could say maybe the Colts. I don't think they're
sold on Anthony Richardson. How could you be the Titans.
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It's five teams. I know the Raiders traded for Geno Smith,
but that's not a long term answer. No, So to me,
they're not out of the quarterback mix. Maybe not a
first round pick that's sixteen.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
But that move tells you what the Raiders think about
this quarterback class.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Maybe it does. To be honest, I'm not sure I
understand it completely because to me, in that division where
you have Nix and Mahomes and Herbert, you kind of
need a home run at quarterback to compete well.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
And it's it's interesting about that is had the Falcons
not taken Michael Pennix junior last year, that's what the
Raiders would have taken him. Instead, they got Bowers, they
got brock Powers, right, so you go, it's one of
those deals where our need is this if he's not
there best available player.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
So you know, you got about a half dozen teams
in the AFC, in the NFC, certainly the Giants need
a quarterback in the NFC. North Chicago set Detroit Set,
Green Bay Set, Minnesota looks like they're gonna hand the
reins off to McCarthy New Orleans maybe. And then in
the NFC West Seattle, Yeah. Sit.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
The other thing about that is, I think.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
That's close to what eight nine teams there?
Speaker 3 (08:36):
It is close to eight nine teams, but it's not
a in my opinion, an overly strong quarterback class. So
I think every one of those teams that's in the
mix would be reaching a bit.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
But don't teams normally reach for quarterbacks anyway, even takes
your door and camp ward if you're just going based
on best available. They're not top five picks, no, but
they're going to go in the top five or the
top eight or whatever because they're quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Correct, Yeah, and because there's so few of them. So yeah,
to your point, you're forced.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
To take that reach.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
You grew up in the UH in Southern cal right. Yep.
You're a big forty nine.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Ers fan, huge, actually, big Joe Montana fan.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Okay, Yeah, I was a big Jerry Rice fan. Grow.
Oh that eighties forty nine Er team, that dynasty. They
traded down a lot and they amassed multiple draft picks.
This trading down in this draft makes sense for Carolina.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Absolutely because I think it allows you to get multiple
picks prior to the fifty seventh pick, all right, and
allows you to address multiple needs but potentially addressed just
your defensive front seven with multiple players before the fourth round.
(09:58):
I think that would make a ton now I say that,
but if there is, if they're convinced on Jalen Walker,
or they're convinced on Mason Graham and not even talking
about Ted McMillan, because I think there's just too much
value in the wide receiver position top to bottom. Rounds
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one through seven, you're gonna find multiple guys there. But
I think there's only two to three players that would
prevent Carolina from trading down.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
So who are they.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Let's let's list of Mason Graham, Mason Graham, Jalen Walker, Tyler,
Tyler Warren.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
That's it to me.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
It is Will Johnson, Yeah, because I think he's generational.
You do, but but he doesn't rush the passer right
now and right now. To take the pressure off the
back end, They've got to do something to be able
to stop the run and rush the passer.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
And it starts with front players.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I wonder and again, this is just because of what
we're hearing about the edge rusher class, Yeah, being as
deep as it is, And we talked about a bunch
of these guys on an earlier podcast. Right, it's not
just Jalen Walker, it's you got Abdul Carter at the top,
Mike Green, who am I missing here? James Pierson with
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some of the issues. It's a deep class and you
might be able to get guys later in the draft too.
You know, again, not everyone created equally Apr out of
Virginia Tech as Iraku out of BC, even some interior alignement,
like a guy like a Walter Nolan. You know, you
got some pieces there in the front at edge on
the defensive line you might be able to get outside
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of round one. I wonder if that changes how you
approach the draft saying, yeah, we know we need an edge,
We know we need more pass rushers to help out
Clowney and help out want them, keep those guys fresh.
But we could still get value in round two, three,
four at edge, which usually isn't the case, but in
this draft it might be.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
It is because it's the strongest positional group in the
twenty twenty five NFL draft all shapes and sizes, as
you mentioned, now, they're gonna be there are going to
be personnel departments that are going to check guys off
their board, not because they don't think they're good football players,
but they have very strict, stringent, critical factors that have
to be checked. Like there are going to be teams
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that will not take a defensive end if his arm
is in a certain length or his height isn't a
certain height. That's just and that's the makeup of their
personnel department and the type of player that they're looking for.
So can that hinder you a little bit in those
later rounds? Yeah, it probably It probably could if you're
one of those teams that's going to do that.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Here's the other part. So you're assessing the draft, you
look at round one, I think most teams are looking
for at minimum a starter. You're picking in the top ten.
You want a guy who's a future Pro Bowl. Yeah,
you get to round two starter with upside. What's kind
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of the the barometer in round two?
Speaker 4 (13:02):
A guy like Shamar Stewart, right who kind of yeah,
kind of emerged this year and blew up.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Some and and then you know as a good outing
in Indie and then all of a sudden, that guy's
somebody where you're saying, all right, he started to blossom later,
meaning his ceiling is still higher. Is their value there?
And he may be a guy that's climbed up so
high that he wouldn't be. But that came to mind
when you ask the question, because I think that you
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can expect there to be different maker type players that
aren't in the first round. They go on to be
Pro Bowl, elite level productive players. And again it's about
doing your homework.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
It is, and you know that there's certain teams that
we see it every year, always are finding guys later
in the drafty and I thought, if you look at
you know, Dan Morgan's first draft in Trevn Walla, so
we picked up in round three, you got a potential
starter j T Sanders tight end in round four, potential
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starter Shaw Smith Wade who you got in round five
that might be your nickelback this year or somebody who
will figure into that rotation. And then even the undrafted
guys Jalen Kocher is a legitimate piece, potential starting wide receiver.
Undrafted free agent Demani Richardson had a couple of double
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digit tackle games starting at safety as an undrafted rookie.
To me, are those are the bonus levels. Those are
the side quests where if you can find a starter
round four through seven undrafted free agents, to me, that's
where you win the draft because those are again low
cost starters. You now can spend that money and free
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agency elsewhere. If Bryce continues on this trajectory, you know,
in a couple of years, you.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
Gotta pay Yeah, yeah, you have to pay Bryce.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
And this would allow you to buy yourself some time
there by not invest overly investing. And you know, like
if you look at the defensive front seven, not just
in the front, but the linebacker level right right, So
you got Josie Jewel there right, but you don't have
any competitive depth to either side.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Of him or behind him.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
So the linebacker position, whether you want to call it
an edge, an outside guy, or an inside guy, there's
a lot of those guys too in this draft that
I think from round three to five, three to six
or could be some potentially really good players.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
You know, that last piece, the competitive depth at a position. Yeah,
in a league where I think the shelf life sometimes
is shorter than we even think it is for a player.
The best team seems to seem to always have that
they gets the next man up, Like take the Ravens.
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You know you can let Awan Smith go. You're fine,
Patrick Queen, we got Kyle Hamilton.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Yeah. And you know how you do that.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
You do that by making good decisions round four through
seven because those are low cost, potentially great players. And
to be honest, it kind of goes back to the
whole Belichick Patriots model. And if you've noticed, what they
always did is the value rounds four through seven. But
then in free agency, if they had a guy that
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was an elite level player, they never resigned him, they
let him go. They are always looking for the guy
that's one contract removed from that, right, And that's kind
of their The free agency is their version of rounds
four through seven.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
You don't want to spend big on guys who may
have already played their best ball for someone else.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Yeah, And when you look in free agency, when you look,
you go back twenty five. Let's say what ninety four
was planing b free agency? I believe go back all that.
Very few great players get to free agency, correct, And
very few players that get the great contract are great
after it because there's not that low hanging fruit anymore.
So like that's why somebody like Dion Sanders I admire
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so much, because there are very few people that went
from contract to contract to contract to team to team
that were was as good, if not better the next
time we went around until age caught up with him
in Baltimore. Sure, but you look at that, there's very
few players that do that. So the the percentages, you're
not weigh in your favor to pay big money for
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a free agent.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
No, And again you look at the formula, and the
Panthers seem to want to employ this formula too. You
want to draft, well, yeah, and then you want to
take care of your homegrown guys yes, before they get
to free agency, which also, to me, sends a message
to the other fifty two guys or fifty three guys
in the locker room where you're saying, listen, you come here,
you produce, you play, well, we got you.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
And they've done it with Cuba Hub, They've done it
with J. C. Horn amongst other guys. It's kind of
like Taylor Mowten.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah, It's kind of like what many many college programs
are now doing in name, image and likeness, where instead
of going out there and trying to poacht the shiny
toy from somewhere else, they're taking their resources and investing
it in the guys who performed well for them so
that they don't want to go anywhere else.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Now.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
You maintain sun semblance of continuity, right, and that's kind
of what I like in that too.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
We're going to end this draft episode in our draft
show with the exercise that I hope isn't completely futile.
I think this will depend on the algorithm that we're using,
but we're gonna run through a mock draft. We love
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Show airing on day one of the draft, which is
April twenty fourth, you don't want to miss it. Entrance
must be twenty one years or older to participate and
be elevle. So to wrap up this exercise, we decided
to take a spin in one of these mock draft simulators.
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We'll see how this exercise goes. And again you just
sort of at the mercy of how these drafts fall.
They offer you trades. We didn't do any trades. So
just pick and where the Panthers would pick in this
upcoming draft. So I guess I'll start number eight first round.
I went best available and I went Tyler Warren, the
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tight end from Penn State.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
How did you get that? That wasn't even offered me?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
It was available online? Well, how does that work all
the you know, defensive plate. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
It's a different algorithm on the same website.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Could be maybe there was a trade in the top
seven in yours. No I rejected off trade. Well, no,
maybe another team got.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Off all maybe, so okay, So I went Jalen Walker,
Jaalen Walker. All right, I did not have Mason Graham
or Tyler Warren available.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
I didn't have Graham available McMillan was available, Graham was gone,
Walker was available. We have talked a lot about Tyler
Warren and again that kind of pass catcher. I know,
I know the need is defense, yeah, but you know here.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
We talked about that though. If there was one guy
that you'd say, let me think about this.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
So, Tim, who'd you take in round two?
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Round two, fifty seven of the pick? I took linebacker
Demetrius Knight. Okay, all right, Carolina.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yeah, I got Shamar Turner right in Texas. Ay and okay, yeah,
So fortifying the defensive front. Round three at seventy four,
I ended up with Kyle Knnar algarithms line. So you know,
you've gone edge linebacker and the backer edge, and I've
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gone tight end d line edge, and then I went
edge again in round four. Together I saw in college,
I really like Antoine Powell Island nice.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
I actually did something very similar but a different I
went smu Is Elijah Roberts.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Okay, that's a big boy. That's a big boy. Good
player too. Who'd you go with that second round four pick?
Is that the one thirteen? I went with Maryland's Tie
Felton wide receiver, wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
I got to see him this He's good. He's very
very good. And apparently the little draft grade board here
really likes that.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
They gave me an A on that one.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Gave me an A. I got a D plus on
my round four second pick. You did, yeah, Jack Kaiser
linebacker at a Notre Dame because the UCLA guy's gone
and it's so similar. That's right, and so hey, Nita
linebacker went Kaiser. Round five. We talked about this guy
on on one of our earlier pods, Brishard Smith.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
That as Oh that's a nice one.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
What grade did they give you B minus for round five? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:06):
You know at that point, so I went with louisvill
wide receiver to Corey Brooks.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
What grade they give you for that one? F Oh
god makes a lot of plays, dude, same thing, all right?
Second round five pick one, I took Danny Stutzman Ah
from Oklahoma. They gave you a D minus for that one.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Okay, Well, I just got a D plus for taking
Brant Keithy, the tight end from Utah.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
That guy's a dude.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Now, if he gets back and he's healthy, you talk
about a guy that can line up anywhere.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
He's really good.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Health has been too. He's been around for a few years.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
I don't know, running out of bodies though, Like I
started getting down there.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Like who are some of these guys? It's hard. So
now we're we're at the end of round five. I
went with the safety from Alabama, Malachi Moore. Okay, you
know what the draft grade was, F minus F.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Okay, Well, I'm actually I got an F on this
one too, and I'm really surprised because it's defensive tackles.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Zeke Biggers. Oh, they gave me an he was available,
though he was available Georgia Tech. Yeah, six foot six
thirty five inch arms. You're gonna be in a three
man front. He's the perfect nose. What I don't know.
At the end of round five, you got an F. Yes,
got a mock simulation. At that point, you're you're you know,
you're you're looking for a lottery ticks.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Then pickens. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
For the last pick round seven, two twenty nine, I
took the corner out of Nebraska. Tommy Hill got a
B for that one.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Did you Okay?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
I got a B for mine too, But I went
BYU edge defensive end Tyler Batty.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
So I had Battye a couple of times this year. Yeah,
that could be a steal. Yeah, and I think he's
also a locker room guy. Makes you better. That was
a good BYU defense this year, really good, really good defense.
What'd you get for your overall draft grade? Uh?
Speaker 4 (23:55):
It did not give me one? At the very bottom,
at the very bottom. I do not have a grade.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Okay, I got I gotta be Oh, well that's probably
what I I just have it right here.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Mine's not doing that. In fact, my my screen looks
different than that.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
You're on a different website.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Oh I'm on a different one, No wonder, our algorithms
are different.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah. So as I accomplished the yeah, there you go. So,
uh it's a fun exercise. But again, I think you
know what's going to be fascinating. And Bran Till's, you know,
executive VP for player personnel. He told me at the combine.
He said, ideally the Panthers want to get to a
point where you get through free agency you feel like
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you have a roster that can compete in a game. Sure,
Ideally you want to get to a point where you
go into the draft and you can take the best
available player. If Carolina can do defensively what they were
able to do on the offensive side last year, especially
in the trenches. Again, the arrows pointing up for this franchise.
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It's gonna make a big difference. Derek Brown coming back
is going to make a massive difference. And this is
on Dan Morgan and Dave Canalis in this front office
to continue to build this culture, which again showed a
lot of promise in year one of this new regime.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Yeah, and I think you know, once you get the
core nucleus, which is what they're referencing nuclear nuclear nucleus, yes,
in place. Once that then you it's plugging a little
piece of the puzzle here and a piece of the
puzzle here. But like you talk about that offensive line,
that's now a core nucleus. That's now something that can
be built around the edges. And now the next phase
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is to do the exact same thing to the defensive front.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah. And to me, when you have those two units
stabilized and when their strengths they allow you to mask
deficiencies elsewhere, there's.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
No question it's the ultimate cover up.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
I mean, and it doesn't matter fits in the National
Football League, college football, going all the way down to
high school football. The common denominators amongst championship teams are
those things right there.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yep, copycat league. That was the formula for Philadelphia in
twenty twenty four. Fun times you had with the draft
approaching for the Carolina Panthers. Here in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Five, Ladies and gentlemen, the Weekend.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Close to the episode caught fit feeling touchdown
Speaker 1 (26:28):
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