November 11, 2025 • 29 mins
This week on Weekend Warriors, Anish and Tom react to the Panthers tough loss to the Saints, preview this weekend's game against the Atlanta Falcons, try to make sense out of the chaos in the ACC, and so much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You know, you do this long enough, you get the
officially fieled old game kind of had that. On Sunday,
the Saints were in town. Their head coach Kellen Moore.
Now he's a young guy by head coaching standards, thirty
seven years old. Luke's I covered this guy in high school.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
High school.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
That sounds like something I would have done.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
Frosser, Washington.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yeah, he played for his dad, Tom, His brother was
his star wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
Small school.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
And you know what's fascinating when you look back, because
you were probably doing the recruiting rankings here, there were
two quarterbacks in the state of Washington at the time
who got all the public and Kellen Moore was the
guy who was more or less dismissed. He's too small. Yeah,
I don't know if this guy is ever gonna's really
be a college star. He ends up going to Boise.
The other guy, if you remember, was Jake Locker.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Sure, of course Ferndale High.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
School, which is in the Seattle area and ias that's right,
And I remember covering a state championship game between Prosser
and Ferndale at the Coma Dome, and it wasn't a
fair fight because let's put it this way. Prosser was
a smaller division school that bumped up because they were
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too good and smoking everybody.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Now, Ferndale had like legitimate O line and D line.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I mean, you know, you had guys who were maybe
one ninety upfront for Prosser. Ferndale had these big behemoths.
But all the kid did in high school in college
was win. And I remember, you're the son of a
coach like this was the guy who not only you
know drew plays in the sidebar of his notes, but
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he called his own plays as junior and senior year
of high school.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
How often do you see that.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
In high school?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Essentially never? Now, I will say this, I was I
did that a little bit when I was in junior
college and we were really really good and we'd get
ahead of people and my coach would say, okay, just
take this series, you know, and so that was interesting.
But in high school to be able to have that autonomy,
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I don't even know if I've heard of that.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
He was his own offensive coordinator in high school. And
his dad, Tom great name by the way, legendary head
coach in the area, had won three four state championships,
and I mean, I'm telling you, like, if you saw
where this kid came from. Frosser is in the middle
of the state Wine country. If you're driving to Prosser,
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you keep your windows up. If you catch my drift, okay,
BT agriculture. You pass a town called Sunnyside, which is
not as nice as it smells.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Love it, but it's it's kind of neat to now.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Just you know, listen, he plays for the division rivals
and all that. But when you kind of look back,
you're going, wow, I remember this guy slinging it on
Friday nights since Central Washington, and I was the guy
on the sideline, you know, with the camera over my shoulder,
and we would go shoot his games. Because you would
stay for about fifteen minutes and you get about three
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four touchdowns and you'd have your highlights for your evening news.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, and then you were gone. Well, I'll tell you this, clearly,
he has an advanced mind because to rise as fast
as he did in the National Football League after a
playing career, like you had to figure. Everybody that coached
him was going, this guy's gonna take my job one day.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Had to be I mean, you think about it.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
He was done playing the year after he's what the
quarterbacks coach? Yep, and then he's an offensive coordinator. Yeah yeah,
mind boggling. Now the Panthers do need to beat him
when they go to New Orleans into sense.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yes, that was a tough one, dude.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
That was bad.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
That was tough.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
That was tough. I was I think I think again.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
It's it's sort of like you go to Green Bay
and you taste caviar, right, and you kind of get
used to it, and then that happens and it's man,
we tasted it.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yep, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
The weekend.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Ansteada will finds a whole right side? Were goo bad
for six?
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Weekend Warriors? All right?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Weekend Warriors Toll Lougan bel Andy Shrof. Another week down
heading into week twelve now of college football, and you know,
it's interesting what has unfolded with one particular conference in
the span of just two weeks. That conference, aniche being
the ACC which two Saturdays ago, was in position to
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not only get one team in the College Football player,
not only get two teams in the College Football Playoff,
but potentially get three teams in the College Football Playoff.
Fast forward one week and now you're hoping to get
one team into the College Football Playoff from the ACC.
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It's been a disastrous early start to the month of
November for a league that looked like they were taking
a step. And why this is so interesting as we
head down the path here is because there's this assumption
out there amongst fans and those who cover college football
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that if you are the winner of a Power flour
conference champion, when you're a champion of a powerfour conference,
that you're automatically in the College Football Playoff. And the
reality is that is not true. It is the top
five highest ranked conference champions. So with the chaos that
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has leaned into the ACC the last two weeks, we
now find ourselves in a position.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Where there is.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
A possibility could become a probability that the ACC champion,
particularly if it's duke with four losses, would not get
into the College Football Playoff. Anias your thoughts.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Well, I think one for starters, there's a real issue
here when you have a league that when Clemson and
Florida State don't show up, there's not a lot of
depth and it shows and I think we all thought Miami,
we thought Georgia Tech maybe Louisville's had a couple of
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pretty good seasons, but they got ambushed by Cal last week.
You want to catch up to these other leagues. Look
at the SEC. I mean Texas, A and M perennial underachiever, right, yep,
they're undefeated mid November. Step You've got who else? All
miss same deal? Perennial underachiever here they are, you know,
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one loss going into the home stretch. So I think
you have you know, in the ACC. I thought Miami
just on talent, I really did. I just thought based
on talent, I thought this was a team that could
have won a national championship. We said, I think maybe
on the first or second show this year, we thought
Clemson was championship good. They've got three first round picks
on defense easily.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
It's it's it's.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Shocking to see what happens.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
But okay, look at the two leagues that could jump
the ACC in the American If you have a South
Florida or a North Texas that went out, is it
conceivable that they're ranked higher than the ACC champion when
you spend the wheel of destiny, yes, it's conceivable.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Probably doesn't happen. Could happen.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
And then the other team to watch out for is
James Madison out of the Sunbelt because they play Washington State,
who I don't know if that counts as a.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Power conference win anymore.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
But you got Washington State, then you get Coastal and
then you've got your Sun Belt championship and should you
win that. They're a one loss team. Their lone losses
to Louisville, a game that I did frankly, they probably
should have won that game. So I kind of look
at James Madison and to your point, if it's a
four loss Duke who just lost to Yukon, like that's
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going to that's going to be imprinted in the committee's mind.
Duke didn't beat anybody in non conference, didn't beat anybody
in non conference. So if Duke is your ACC champion
and they could get there because they only have one
loss in conference, I think it starts to.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Get real, real weird.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
And then it's the ramifications of missing a twelve team
playoff Entirely, that's not something Jim Phillips wants to deal
with because you're gonna have some unhappy members. And when
you have unhappy members, listen, there's another round of relignment
coming before twenty thirty. It puts the ACC, I think,
in a very precarious position, not just in the near term,
but the long term too.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
It does. And you know when you look at the
ACC top to bottom without Clemson and Florida State and
they don't show up in twenty twenty five. And I
said this on Saturday night when we were wrapping up
the College Football Saturday. You could take five or six
teams in the ACC right now and change all of
their uniforms and put two of the teams on the field,
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and you wouldn't be able to tell if it was
Pitt versus Louisville Duke versus Virginia. You wouldn't be able
to tell if it was Georgia Tech in Virginia. I mean,
that's how competitively balanced five or six teams are in
that league without any one of them showing any semblance
of dominance. And if you're the ACC, you need your
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conference champion to be Georgia Tech. At either eleven and
two or twelve and one. That would mean that they
would have to beat Georgia because from an optics standpoint,
that's a positive for the league.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
You need that to happen.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
The issue here is that Georgia Tech, Virginia, and Miami
do not play each other. The deciding factor in all
of this, ironically, is going to be Pitt, winner of
five in a row with a true freshman quarterback. They
have Georgia Tech on the schedule coming up, all right,
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and I believe they've got Virginia as well. They're the
team that can either create chaos or put themselves in
a position. Pitt plays Notre Dame this week. It doesn't
count against the acc standings, but it.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Does count when it comes to the rankings. Like that's
that's right point. Like let's say Pitt gets a win
against Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah, yeah, it doesn't help you in the acc rais
in terms of getting the a SEC championship.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
It bumps.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
How do you get to the a SEC Championship? It
helps the league. That's that's the important part of this.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
They finished with Miami, like it's it's Notre Dame, Georgia
Tech Miami.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
That's a that's a tough finishing.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah it is. And again a freshman quarterback. Pitt has
played better, but they haven't beat really anybody any good.
So this is going to be a huge test and
in that scenario too, and the issue would be bumping
Notre Dame out right, which would open up a spot. Now,
the question for the committee is it relates to the
Group of five champion. If let's just say a worst
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case scenario did occur and you have a nine to
four Duke ACC champion. The committee they don't have James
Madison ranked yet, so they're not.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Gonna have any Group of five team ranked.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Right, But I do believe that you will see South
Florida twenty two or twenty three on Tuesday night. And
I'll say this, and I've had South Florida twice. The
ACC is lucky South Florida is not playing in the
ACC because they would win it. And that team is
a handful. And if the College Football Playoff Committee is
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doing their homework on the Group of five possibilities, and
to your point, in the scenario we've laid out, because
Duke has really struggled outside of the ACC and played
poorly in doing so against Illinois, Yukon and Tulane, how
are they gonna view that South Florida team, which would
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then have a win versus Florida on the road. All right,
would mean that they would have either beat North Texas
or maybe a remat or no, there's not gonna be
a rematch now because Memphis lost to Tulane last week
in the game that you had, So there's gonna be
an opportunity there. I think that South Florida would look
very favorable if they're ranked high enough in a couple
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of weeks, if they keep winning and this ACC scenario
plays out.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
If it doesn't and.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
You get any and you get any two loss or
less team in the ACC Championship that wins it, I
think it's a move point. It doesn't happen. Is that
going to be Virginia? I don't know how long is
Chandler Morris out? Is that going to be Georgia Tech?
Do they get back on track? They again still have
to play pitt as we mentioned, so a lot of
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football to be played. But the ACC's inability to win
the games that they're supposed to win within the conference,
they've put themselves in this position. Well, listen, I think
all of this is a mood point. Had Clemson lived
up to Clemson's billing and had Florida after the Alabama
win or Florida State had they played like we thought
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they would after the Alabama and instead went you know,
in the opposite direction. You bring up Duke that lost
to tu Lane looms large if they are your four
lost champion, because the American Conference points to that and says, hey.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
That's not even a conference champion. We beat you. Yeah,
I've got Louisville Clemson this Friday.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Louisville's not out of it, and I started looking at
their path because after they lost to Cali, you're you're
wondering in your head, You're going, can can Louisville get
back into this? And then their scenario is, Okay, win out.
Now that's not easy. It's Clemson who still has talent,
and then it's SMU on the road.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
You got to win those two.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
What happens against Kentucky irrelevant for the ACC championship, but
again for the playoff that could potentially factor in. You
might have a coach there in Lexington coaching for his job.
And then they need Georgia Tech and Pitt to both
lose once Okay, Pitt plays Georgia Tech, so one of
them is gonna have a loss.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Let's say Pitt.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Wins that game, and then loses to Miami, Louisvill's in. Yeah,
and then if they lose to Kentucky they're in as
a three loss.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Team yep, yep. And then the question becomes outside of
the conference championship. If Miami finishes ten and two with
wins versus South Florida and Notre Dame, what would the
committee do with them as a potential at large? If
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Notre Dame finishes ten in two. So a lot of
great scenarios here. Obviously, this is what makes the month
of November so much fun. I don't know, in your
prep for Louisville Clemson for whatever reason, that Louisville team
is not the same team without Isaac Brown.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Well, they weren't the same team without Isaac Brown last week.
I'll say this, Kewan Brown has played well in his stead.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
I think the issue for them has been twofold one.
They get off to some of these terrible starts on
James and they let teams hang around. And what happened
you know, the Virginia game. You lose in overtime, calling overtime,
but they had close calls. They were down sixteen to
seven at the half to Virginia Tech. They were down
seventeen to nothing at one point against Pitt had to
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come back.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
The Miami game, they intercept Carson Beck four times. Remember
Miami had the ball inside the Louisville thirty five. Yeah,
on their final drive with a chance to win before
Beck was picked off for a fourth time. So as
poorly as Carson Beck played in that game, they still
had a chance to win.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah, so you kind of let Miami hang around.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
The James Madison game that I did, they were down
I think fourteen to six something like that midway through
the third quarter, and they.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Wasn't tied in the fourth quarter. Yeah, I think the
game might have been tied in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
And again JMU just had a quarterback situation where they
were literally playing a different guy every snap. They've resolved that,
but that was the game we walked away going why
James Madison probably should have won that game.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
So again, this isn't the same Louisville team the last
two years.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Nothing against Miller Moss.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I just don't think he gives Jeff brom the same
element that Tyler Shuck did, and then before Tyler Shuck
even Jack Plumber.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah that's right, Yeah, you're right, I I think that
when there's not. For whatever reason, the lack of consistency
for Louisville in the passing game has been something that
has been very frustrating for Jeff Brom because that's you know,
that's the bread and butter. That's where he has He
has tutored guys to probably play beyond or above what
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they've been expected to play. Whether it was at another place,
he just such a does such a good job of
that position. And I feel like without now you're right,
Kewan Brown has been a notable substitute. But for whatever reason,
that presence of Isaac Brown, and you saw it in
the Miami game. He makes them different and he impacts
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Miller Moss.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
And the other big thing is Duke Watson and has
been banged up this year. He just has not been
the same guy he was last year. This was a
guy who averaged nine yards to carry last year, I know,
and was dynamic every time you put the ball in
his hands. He was a threat to bust one. His
longest run of the season's fifteen yards. He just hasn't
been that guy. He's been hurt. He's not a big guy,
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doesn't give you a whole lot in pass pro So
if you're not getting the explosive plays from him, there's
not a lot of value there, right, And so you
know it's Isaac Brown, it's Keywan Brown. Chris Bell is
a heck of a wide receiver. I mean, if you're
a fan of NFL teams and you're in the market
for a wide receiver or cornerback, Chris Bell against Avion
Terrell is a heck of a matchup on Friday night,
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you know, two probable first round picks. But yeah, I'm
with you. I guess I go back to this too.
So with the selection committee, the new rankings will come
out tonight. The first batch of rankings came out last week.
Did you get a real read on what they valued,
because you know, my read was their valuation was we
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value the SEC and we valued the Big ten.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yeah. I was curious to see where they ranked Miami.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
I thought Miami was pretty low, even though they had
some scars. But to the earlier point, it kind of
told me, I don't think they think the ACC is
all that good this year.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
No, there's no question you know they last week they
still had five teams ranked, But where they had them
ranked was clearly a reflection of how they view the
conference top to bottom. You know, I have to be
honest with you. Outside of where they had Texas and
Notre Dame, I would have flopped those two. I mean,
Texas can say what you want, They've got two top
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ten wins. Aside from that, there was nothing glaring that
stood out to me to your point with the ACC.
The ACC did that to themselves. They pair the wrong
weekend to do that, right on the eve of the
first ranking release of the College Football Playoff, and so
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now they got to find a way to crawl their
way out of it. And you know, I think it's
going to be very interesting because I do believe the
committee feels that in whatever order you want to put them,
Ohio State, Texas, A and M, Alabama and Indiana have
separated themselves, and I'm not so sure if those four
teams play each other in their conference championship games and
it's a slugfest the following week, I still think those
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are the top four teams.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
The one where I would have maybe gone a little
bit off the beaten path, I would have put Alabama
ahead of Texas, A and M. And I know Alabama's
got the bad loss up until you know last week.
And I know A and IM got to win at Missouri,
but like Alabama just had a better resume. I'm a
big believer. It's the same thing with the NCAA Tournament
for basketball. I like the teams that have shown they
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can go out and beat somebody. I prefer that versus
the team that didn't lose to anybody but didn't play anybody,
saying A and M hasn't played anybody, but some of
their better wins have lost value. For example LSU, Right,
that just doesn't have the same cachet.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Well, they've only beaten three teams of the winning record.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
That's my point.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Well, Alabama went out and won four straight games without
a bye week against four ranked teams.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah, never been done before.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
So you know there's that. There's the ty Simpson factor.
And now I'll say this, I think A and M.
I think I don't think the team is a fraud.
I think the team's for real. I'm just going by rankings.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
I have them.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Week one, They've got I would say, what a top
five offensive line in college football, Probably three or four
guys who are going to play on Sundays if Le'Veon
Moss can stay healthy, which is a big gift. Yeah,
they've got a top five, top ten running backs in
college football. The quarterback's taken a big step up this year.
But they've helped you with receivers. But they've helped Mean
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Casey conceptsi on Mario Craver. So it's pick your poison.
If you're not going to defend the speed on the outside,
they're gonna light in the box and they're gonna with
the run game.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Ye if you're gonna load up against the run.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
They got playmakers in space, so very hard offense to defend.
And then up front, I think their front seven is
really talented. Cash Is Howell like to me, he's not
being talked about enough as one of the elite pass rushers.
I know the shack numbers they're good, they're not great,
but if you look at his pressure rates, yeah, I mean,
my goodness, he gets to the quarterback almost at will.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
And then the your kid at linebacker.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I mean that is, you know, like the alpha that
you want on your defense.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Well, the other thing to note with them, and again
this is big because it does it does aid the offense.
But they went three straight games where they allowed to
combined three third down conversions on defense. A combined like
that doesn't happen in one game, no, right, And so
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they're constantly getting off the field and they're in turn
providing their offense with more possessions than they would normally have.
So you know, I'm with you. I mean, I think
they're super and it will work itself out, it will
play itself out, but they are a really difficult team
to handle.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Yeah, and that offensive line, we have seen this.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
If they can get into a fourth quarter game, they
wear people down in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
They wear people down in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
And again, you know, I think Indiana, we saw what
happened against Penn State last week where they needed a
miracle to win.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
You know, Ohio States look, you.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Know, pretty consistent start to finish. I got to give
Ohio State the flowers. Oregon's been really good except for
you know, the one game against Indiana. But A and
M is not just built to get in the playoffs.
They're built to win the thing. They really are. They're
built to win this thing. The way they're designed and
the way Mike Elico has put that team together.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
And I and again That's why I go back to
my previous statement of those four teams that separated themselves
because they're all built the right way in the right
position groups, right quarterback, offensive front, defensive front seven. And
that's what you have to have to run the gauntlet right.
And that's where teams wear down and they get exposed
or they get banged up, and then their competitive depth.
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There's a bigger gap with other people than there is
at A and M, or that there is at Alabama,
or that there is at Indiana or hyl State right now,
and that gives them a huge, huge edge.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
All right, let's send on.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
This travel season is getting a little dicey these days.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Where are you off to?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
So I'm in the sun Belt. I've got Troy at
Old Dominion, And this is the first time during the
shutdown over the last two weeks that I've had to
fly a regional jet into a regional airport. And I've
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been major hub, major airport, big jet and have a
voided any issues. And I'm very concerned about it, obviously,
and that's why we get in early, of course. But
I'm crossing my fingers at my flight from Charlotte to
Norfolk Virginia tomorrow goes as clean as possible, are you?
Speaker 3 (25:18):
I'm gonna get rid of the advice. Wait, now we're
at Louisville.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
At Louisville, Okay, I was going to say, you'd have
been able to just drive down the road.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Oh, I know, I know. If it was at Clemson,
it would have been a drive.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
But last night I was flying to Charlottesville, Virginia for
a basketball game tonight, and it was on a seven
pm flight that was delayed quite a bit. And let's
just say I didn't leave at seven pm or close
to seven pm, but there was a time where I said,
all right, four and a half hours, do I just
get in the car and go right.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
That's kind of that that that is where we're at.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
So if you're listening and it's travel season coming up,
and we have the holidays coming up, and hopefully, you know,
sounds like this is going to get resolved. But the
issue that we're running into is like the cruis are
on time, the planes are.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Ready to go.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
There's just fifteen eighteen play planes on the runway, and
there's one air traffic controller who's trying to navigate all
of it. And so you're you're in line, that's right,
So yeah, travel safe, but od you Troy. Troy's got
a shot right to get to the Sunbelt Championship.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah, Troy's got one loss in conference. They've they've done
a nice job. And then you know, Odeu has actually
been pretty good too, winners of two in a row,
beat app in Louisiana, Monroe. The last two weeks, both
of them beat Virginia Tech. Didn't they what's that they
beat Virginia Tech, didn't they really there? They hammered Virginia Techeah. Yeah,
where they've had troubles. They had a two week span
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against James Madison. I'm trying to think who the other
team was where they turned the ball over nine times
in two weeks. Obviously both were losses. They've cleaned that up.
They're one of those teams that if they don't turn
the ball over, they're actually Ricky Ronnie the head coach,
has done a really good job.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Meanwhile, the Panthers will go to Atlanta on Sunday bounce
back game five and five.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
You know, I said this on our Monday show and
we'll wrap here.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
If you told a lot of people, hey, after the
last couple of seasons, you'd be five and five after
ten games. The division and all that is still right there.
I think most people will take it. If you had
told them before the Buffalo game and you said, listen,
you got three games Buffalo, green Bay, New Orleans. You're
gonna win one out of those three, most people would
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have said, yeah, it's probably going to be the New
Orleans game, and it kind of said, all right, I'll
take that. But I think getting the Green Bay game
it skewed some things, and frankly, as it should, right
because it shows you what you're capable of. Sure, I
think back to what Dan Hawkins always used to say
when I worked with him, the former Boise State Colorado coach, It's.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Hard to win one game. It really is.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
So much goes into it, and I think part of
this is growing pains for a young team and a
core group that listen is figuring out how to win
and how to win week to week and stringing this
together and finding consistency. And it's a lot of the
coaching cliches you.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Hear, but they're true.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
They're they're true for a reason, like this is the
stuff you have to get through and over these next
seven games, you start to see a team that you know,
forget the result for a minute because the schedule is
gonna get hard. But if you just start to play
consistent ball week in week out, I think that represents
a ton of progress. And to me, that's kind of
what I want to see. Can you find consistency week
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to week? Can you can?
Speaker 3 (28:39):
You? Can you find that element?
Speaker 1 (28:41):
And I don't know if that's that's not, you know,
all on the coaching staff, that's not all on the players.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
That's just kind of part of what you have to
go through, Yeah, to.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Kind of take that next step, like the these are
these are the steps, and we've seen this.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Progress isn't always linear. It's got to be painful. Remember,
do you remember what the lad game for Clemson was
before they became Clemson West Virginia.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Was it the seventy seven to nothing Bowl game or
whatever it was in the ORIGI Bowl.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
It was the game against West Virginia where the joke
was West Virginia just scored again. They put up seventy
points and the narrative was, oh, look, same old Clemson.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Right, can't win the big game, can't win.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
The games when they're supposed to Clemsoning and you know,
from that point on, they've turned into a big game hunter.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Yeah, for the most part this year notwithstanding. But you
got to go through that. You got to go through that.
So I think we're going through it.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, no question. You gotta get a big one against
Atlanta this week, dude,
You know, you do this long enough, you get the
officially fieled old game kind of had that. On Sunday,
the Saints were in town. Their head coach Kellen Moore.
Now he's a young guy by head coaching standards, thirty
seven years old. Luke's I covered this guy in high school.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
High school.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
That sounds like something I would have done.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
Frosser, Washington.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yeah, he played for his dad, Tom, His brother was
his star wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
Small school.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
And you know what's fascinating when you look back, because
you were probably doing the recruiting rankings here, there were
two quarterbacks in the state of Washington at the time
who got all the public and Kellen Moore was the
guy who was more or less dismissed. He's too small. Yeah,
I don't know if this guy is ever gonna's really
be a college star. He ends up going to Boise.
The other guy, if you remember, was Jake Locker.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Sure, of course Ferndale High.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
School, which is in the Seattle area and ias that's right,
And I remember covering a state championship game between Prosser
and Ferndale at the Coma Dome, and it wasn't a
fair fight because let's put it this way. Prosser was
a smaller division school that bumped up because they were
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too good and smoking everybody.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Now, Ferndale had like legitimate O line and D line.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I mean, you know, you had guys who were maybe
one ninety upfront for Prosser. Ferndale had these big behemoths.
But all the kid did in high school in college
was win. And I remember, you're the son of a
coach like this was the guy who not only you
know drew plays in the sidebar of his notes, but
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he called his own plays as junior and senior year
of high school.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
How often do you see that.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
In high school?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Essentially never? Now, I will say this, I was I
did that a little bit when I was in junior
college and we were really really good and we'd get
ahead of people and my coach would say, okay, just
take this series, you know, and so that was interesting.
But in high school to be able to have that autonomy,
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I don't even know if I've heard of that.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
He was his own offensive coordinator in high school. And
his dad, Tom great name by the way, legendary head
coach in the area, had won three four state championships,
and I mean, I'm telling you, like, if you saw
where this kid came from. Frosser is in the middle
of the state Wine country. If you're driving to Prosser,
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you keep your windows up. If you catch my drift, okay,
BT agriculture. You pass a town called Sunnyside, which is
not as nice as it smells.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Love it, but it's it's kind of neat to now.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Just you know, listen, he plays for the division rivals
and all that. But when you kind of look back,
you're going, wow, I remember this guy slinging it on
Friday nights since Central Washington, and I was the guy
on the sideline, you know, with the camera over my shoulder,
and we would go shoot his games. Because you would
stay for about fifteen minutes and you get about three
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four touchdowns and you'd have your highlights for your evening news.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, and then you were gone. Well, I'll tell you this, clearly,
he has an advanced mind because to rise as fast
as he did in the National Football League after a
playing career, like you had to figure. Everybody that coached
him was going, this guy's gonna take my job one day.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Had to be I mean, you think about it.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
He was done playing the year after he's what the
quarterbacks coach? Yep, and then he's an offensive coordinator. Yeah yeah,
mind boggling. Now the Panthers do need to beat him
when they go to New Orleans into sense.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yes, that was a tough one, dude.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
That was bad.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
That was tough.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
That was tough. I was I think I think again.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
It's it's sort of like you go to Green Bay
and you taste caviar, right, and you kind of get
used to it, and then that happens and it's man,
we tasted it.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yep, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
The weekend.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Ansteada will finds a whole right side? Were goo bad
for six?
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Weekend Warriors? All right?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Weekend Warriors Toll Lougan bel Andy Shrof. Another week down
heading into week twelve now of college football, and you know,
it's interesting what has unfolded with one particular conference in
the span of just two weeks. That conference, aniche being
the ACC which two Saturdays ago, was in position to
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not only get one team in the College Football player,
not only get two teams in the College Football Playoff,
but potentially get three teams in the College Football Playoff.
Fast forward one week and now you're hoping to get
one team into the College Football Playoff from the ACC.
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It's been a disastrous early start to the month of
November for a league that looked like they were taking
a step. And why this is so interesting as we
head down the path here is because there's this assumption
out there amongst fans and those who cover college football
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that if you are the winner of a Power flour
conference champion, when you're a champion of a powerfour conference,
that you're automatically in the College Football Playoff. And the
reality is that is not true. It is the top
five highest ranked conference champions. So with the chaos that
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has leaned into the ACC the last two weeks, we
now find ourselves in a position.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Where there is.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
A possibility could become a probability that the ACC champion,
particularly if it's duke with four losses, would not get
into the College Football Playoff. Anias your thoughts.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Well, I think one for starters, there's a real issue
here when you have a league that when Clemson and
Florida State don't show up, there's not a lot of
depth and it shows and I think we all thought Miami,
we thought Georgia Tech maybe Louisville's had a couple of
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pretty good seasons, but they got ambushed by Cal last week.
You want to catch up to these other leagues. Look
at the SEC. I mean Texas, A and M perennial underachiever, right, yep,
they're undefeated mid November. Step You've got who else? All
miss same deal? Perennial underachiever here they are, you know,
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one loss going into the home stretch. So I think
you have you know, in the ACC. I thought Miami
just on talent, I really did. I just thought based
on talent, I thought this was a team that could
have won a national championship. We said, I think maybe
on the first or second show this year, we thought
Clemson was championship good. They've got three first round picks
on defense easily.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
It's it's it's.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Shocking to see what happens.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
But okay, look at the two leagues that could jump
the ACC in the American If you have a South
Florida or a North Texas that went out, is it
conceivable that they're ranked higher than the ACC champion when
you spend the wheel of destiny, yes, it's conceivable.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Probably doesn't happen. Could happen.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
And then the other team to watch out for is
James Madison out of the Sunbelt because they play Washington State,
who I don't know if that counts as a.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Power conference win anymore.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
But you got Washington State, then you get Coastal and
then you've got your Sun Belt championship and should you
win that. They're a one loss team. Their lone losses
to Louisville, a game that I did frankly, they probably
should have won that game. So I kind of look
at James Madison and to your point, if it's a
four loss Duke who just lost to Yukon, like that's
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going to that's going to be imprinted in the committee's mind.
Duke didn't beat anybody in non conference, didn't beat anybody
in non conference. So if Duke is your ACC champion
and they could get there because they only have one
loss in conference, I think it starts to.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Get real, real weird.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
And then it's the ramifications of missing a twelve team
playoff Entirely, that's not something Jim Phillips wants to deal
with because you're gonna have some unhappy members. And when
you have unhappy members, listen, there's another round of relignment
coming before twenty thirty. It puts the ACC, I think,
in a very precarious position, not just in the near term,
but the long term too.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
It does. And you know when you look at the
ACC top to bottom without Clemson and Florida State and
they don't show up in twenty twenty five. And I
said this on Saturday night when we were wrapping up
the College Football Saturday. You could take five or six
teams in the ACC right now and change all of
their uniforms and put two of the teams on the field,
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and you wouldn't be able to tell if it was
Pitt versus Louisville Duke versus Virginia. You wouldn't be able
to tell if it was Georgia Tech in Virginia. I mean,
that's how competitively balanced five or six teams are in
that league without any one of them showing any semblance
of dominance. And if you're the ACC, you need your
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conference champion to be Georgia Tech. At either eleven and
two or twelve and one. That would mean that they
would have to beat Georgia because from an optics standpoint,
that's a positive for the league.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
You need that to happen.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
The issue here is that Georgia Tech, Virginia, and Miami
do not play each other. The deciding factor in all
of this, ironically, is going to be Pitt, winner of
five in a row with a true freshman quarterback. They
have Georgia Tech on the schedule coming up, all right,
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and I believe they've got Virginia as well. They're the
team that can either create chaos or put themselves in
a position. Pitt plays Notre Dame this week. It doesn't
count against the acc standings, but it.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Does count when it comes to the rankings. Like that's
that's right point. Like let's say Pitt gets a win
against Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah, yeah, it doesn't help you in the acc rais
in terms of getting the a SEC championship.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
It bumps.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
How do you get to the a SEC Championship? It
helps the league. That's that's the important part of this.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
They finished with Miami, like it's it's Notre Dame, Georgia
Tech Miami.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
That's a that's a tough finishing.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah it is. And again a freshman quarterback. Pitt has
played better, but they haven't beat really anybody any good.
So this is going to be a huge test and
in that scenario too, and the issue would be bumping
Notre Dame out right, which would open up a spot. Now,
the question for the committee is it relates to the
Group of five champion. If let's just say a worst
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case scenario did occur and you have a nine to
four Duke ACC champion. The committee they don't have James
Madison ranked yet, so they're not.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Gonna have any Group of five team ranked.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Right, But I do believe that you will see South
Florida twenty two or twenty three on Tuesday night. And
I'll say this, and I've had South Florida twice. The
ACC is lucky South Florida is not playing in the
ACC because they would win it. And that team is
a handful. And if the College Football Playoff Committee is
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doing their homework on the Group of five possibilities, and
to your point, in the scenario we've laid out, because
Duke has really struggled outside of the ACC and played
poorly in doing so against Illinois, Yukon and Tulane, how
are they gonna view that South Florida team, which would
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then have a win versus Florida on the road. All right,
would mean that they would have either beat North Texas
or maybe a remat or no, there's not gonna be
a rematch now because Memphis lost to Tulane last week
in the game that you had, So there's gonna be
an opportunity there. I think that South Florida would look
very favorable if they're ranked high enough in a couple
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of weeks, if they keep winning and this ACC scenario
plays out.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
If it doesn't and.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
You get any and you get any two loss or
less team in the ACC Championship that wins it, I
think it's a move point. It doesn't happen. Is that
going to be Virginia? I don't know how long is
Chandler Morris out? Is that going to be Georgia Tech?
Do they get back on track? They again still have
to play pitt as we mentioned, so a lot of
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football to be played. But the ACC's inability to win
the games that they're supposed to win within the conference,
they've put themselves in this position. Well, listen, I think
all of this is a mood point. Had Clemson lived
up to Clemson's billing and had Florida after the Alabama
win or Florida State had they played like we thought
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they would after the Alabama and instead went you know,
in the opposite direction. You bring up Duke that lost
to tu Lane looms large if they are your four
lost champion, because the American Conference points to that and says, hey.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
That's not even a conference champion. We beat you. Yeah,
I've got Louisville Clemson this Friday.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Louisville's not out of it, and I started looking at
their path because after they lost to Cali, you're you're
wondering in your head, You're going, can can Louisville get
back into this? And then their scenario is, Okay, win out.
Now that's not easy. It's Clemson who still has talent,
and then it's SMU on the road.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
You got to win those two.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
What happens against Kentucky irrelevant for the ACC championship, but
again for the playoff that could potentially factor in. You
might have a coach there in Lexington coaching for his job.
And then they need Georgia Tech and Pitt to both
lose once Okay, Pitt plays Georgia Tech, so one of
them is gonna have a loss.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Let's say Pitt.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Wins that game, and then loses to Miami, Louisvill's in. Yeah,
and then if they lose to Kentucky they're in as
a three loss.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Team yep, yep. And then the question becomes outside of
the conference championship. If Miami finishes ten and two with
wins versus South Florida and Notre Dame, what would the
committee do with them as a potential at large? If
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Notre Dame finishes ten in two. So a lot of
great scenarios here. Obviously, this is what makes the month
of November so much fun. I don't know, in your
prep for Louisville Clemson for whatever reason, that Louisville team
is not the same team without Isaac Brown.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Well, they weren't the same team without Isaac Brown last week.
I'll say this, Kewan Brown has played well in his stead.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
I think the issue for them has been twofold one.
They get off to some of these terrible starts on
James and they let teams hang around. And what happened
you know, the Virginia game. You lose in overtime, calling overtime,
but they had close calls. They were down sixteen to
seven at the half to Virginia Tech. They were down
seventeen to nothing at one point against Pitt had to
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come back.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
The Miami game, they intercept Carson Beck four times. Remember
Miami had the ball inside the Louisville thirty five. Yeah,
on their final drive with a chance to win before
Beck was picked off for a fourth time. So as
poorly as Carson Beck played in that game, they still
had a chance to win.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah, so you kind of let Miami hang around.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
The James Madison game that I did, they were down
I think fourteen to six something like that midway through
the third quarter, and they.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Wasn't tied in the fourth quarter. Yeah, I think the
game might have been tied in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
And again JMU just had a quarterback situation where they
were literally playing a different guy every snap. They've resolved that,
but that was the game we walked away going why
James Madison probably should have won that game.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
So again, this isn't the same Louisville team the last
two years.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Nothing against Miller Moss.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I just don't think he gives Jeff brom the same
element that Tyler Shuck did, and then before Tyler Shuck
even Jack Plumber.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah that's right, Yeah, you're right, I I think that
when there's not. For whatever reason, the lack of consistency
for Louisville in the passing game has been something that
has been very frustrating for Jeff Brom because that's you know,
that's the bread and butter. That's where he has He
has tutored guys to probably play beyond or above what
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they've been expected to play. Whether it was at another place,
he just such a does such a good job of
that position. And I feel like without now you're right,
Kewan Brown has been a notable substitute. But for whatever reason,
that presence of Isaac Brown, and you saw it in
the Miami game. He makes them different and he impacts
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Miller Moss.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
And the other big thing is Duke Watson and has
been banged up this year. He just has not been
the same guy he was last year. This was a
guy who averaged nine yards to carry last year, I know,
and was dynamic every time you put the ball in
his hands. He was a threat to bust one. His
longest run of the season's fifteen yards. He just hasn't
been that guy. He's been hurt. He's not a big guy,
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doesn't give you a whole lot in pass pro So
if you're not getting the explosive plays from him, there's
not a lot of value there, right, And so you
know it's Isaac Brown, it's Keywan Brown. Chris Bell is
a heck of a wide receiver. I mean, if you're
a fan of NFL teams and you're in the market
for a wide receiver or cornerback, Chris Bell against Avion
Terrell is a heck of a matchup on Friday night,
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you know, two probable first round picks. But yeah, I'm
with you. I guess I go back to this too.
So with the selection committee, the new rankings will come
out tonight. The first batch of rankings came out last week.
Did you get a real read on what they valued,
because you know, my read was their valuation was we
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value the SEC and we valued the Big ten.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yeah. I was curious to see where they ranked Miami.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
I thought Miami was pretty low, even though they had
some scars. But to the earlier point, it kind of
told me, I don't think they think the ACC is
all that good this year.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
No, there's no question you know they last week they
still had five teams ranked, But where they had them
ranked was clearly a reflection of how they view the
conference top to bottom. You know, I have to be
honest with you. Outside of where they had Texas and
Notre Dame, I would have flopped those two. I mean,
Texas can say what you want, They've got two top
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ten wins. Aside from that, there was nothing glaring that
stood out to me to your point with the ACC.
The ACC did that to themselves. They pair the wrong
weekend to do that, right on the eve of the
first ranking release of the College Football Playoff, and so
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now they got to find a way to crawl their
way out of it. And you know, I think it's
going to be very interesting because I do believe the
committee feels that in whatever order you want to put them,
Ohio State, Texas, A and M, Alabama and Indiana have
separated themselves, and I'm not so sure if those four
teams play each other in their conference championship games and
it's a slugfest the following week, I still think those
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are the top four teams.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
The one where I would have maybe gone a little
bit off the beaten path, I would have put Alabama
ahead of Texas, A and M. And I know Alabama's
got the bad loss up until you know last week.
And I know A and IM got to win at Missouri,
but like Alabama just had a better resume. I'm a
big believer. It's the same thing with the NCAA Tournament
for basketball. I like the teams that have shown they
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can go out and beat somebody. I prefer that versus
the team that didn't lose to anybody but didn't play anybody,
saying A and M hasn't played anybody, but some of
their better wins have lost value. For example LSU, Right,
that just doesn't have the same cachet.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Well, they've only beaten three teams of the winning record.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
That's my point.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Well, Alabama went out and won four straight games without
a bye week against four ranked teams.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah, never been done before.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
So you know there's that. There's the ty Simpson factor.
And now I'll say this, I think A and M.
I think I don't think the team is a fraud.
I think the team's for real. I'm just going by rankings.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
I have them.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Week one, They've got I would say, what a top
five offensive line in college football, Probably three or four
guys who are going to play on Sundays if Le'Veon
Moss can stay healthy, which is a big gift. Yeah,
they've got a top five, top ten running backs in
college football. The quarterback's taken a big step up this year.
But they've helped you with receivers. But they've helped Mean
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Casey conceptsi on Mario Craver. So it's pick your poison.
If you're not going to defend the speed on the outside,
they're gonna light in the box and they're gonna with
the run game.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Ye if you're gonna load up against the run.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
They got playmakers in space, so very hard offense to defend.
And then up front, I think their front seven is
really talented. Cash Is Howell like to me, he's not
being talked about enough as one of the elite pass rushers.
I know the shack numbers they're good, they're not great,
but if you look at his pressure rates, yeah, I mean,
my goodness, he gets to the quarterback almost at will.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
And then the your kid at linebacker.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I mean that is, you know, like the alpha that
you want on your defense.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Well, the other thing to note with them, and again
this is big because it does it does aid the offense.
But they went three straight games where they allowed to
combined three third down conversions on defense. A combined like
that doesn't happen in one game, no, right, And so
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they're constantly getting off the field and they're in turn
providing their offense with more possessions than they would normally have.
So you know, I'm with you. I mean, I think
they're super and it will work itself out, it will
play itself out, but they are a really difficult team
to handle.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Yeah, and that offensive line, we have seen this.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
If they can get into a fourth quarter game, they
wear people down in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
They wear people down in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
And again, you know, I think Indiana, we saw what
happened against Penn State last week where they needed a
miracle to win.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
You know, Ohio States look, you.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Know, pretty consistent start to finish. I got to give
Ohio State the flowers. Oregon's been really good except for
you know, the one game against Indiana. But A and
M is not just built to get in the playoffs.
They're built to win the thing. They really are. They're
built to win this thing. The way they're designed and
the way Mike Elico has put that team together.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
And I and again That's why I go back to
my previous statement of those four teams that separated themselves
because they're all built the right way in the right
position groups, right quarterback, offensive front, defensive front seven. And
that's what you have to have to run the gauntlet right.
And that's where teams wear down and they get exposed
or they get banged up, and then their competitive depth.
(24:14):
There's a bigger gap with other people than there is
at A and M, or that there is at Alabama,
or that there is at Indiana or hyl State right now,
and that gives them a huge, huge edge.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
All right, let's send on.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
This travel season is getting a little dicey these days.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Where are you off to?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
So I'm in the sun Belt. I've got Troy at
Old Dominion, And this is the first time during the
shutdown over the last two weeks that I've had to
fly a regional jet into a regional airport. And I've
(24:54):
been major hub, major airport, big jet and have a
voided any issues. And I'm very concerned about it, obviously,
and that's why we get in early, of course. But
I'm crossing my fingers at my flight from Charlotte to
Norfolk Virginia tomorrow goes as clean as possible, are you?
Speaker 3 (25:18):
I'm gonna get rid of the advice. Wait, now we're
at Louisville.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
At Louisville, Okay, I was going to say, you'd have
been able to just drive down the road.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Oh, I know, I know. If it was at Clemson,
it would have been a drive.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
But last night I was flying to Charlottesville, Virginia for
a basketball game tonight, and it was on a seven
pm flight that was delayed quite a bit. And let's
just say I didn't leave at seven pm or close
to seven pm, but there was a time where I said,
all right, four and a half hours, do I just
get in the car and go right.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
That's kind of that that that is where we're at.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
So if you're listening and it's travel season coming up,
and we have the holidays coming up, and hopefully, you know,
sounds like this is going to get resolved. But the
issue that we're running into is like the cruis are
on time, the planes are.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Ready to go.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
There's just fifteen eighteen play planes on the runway, and
there's one air traffic controller who's trying to navigate all
of it. And so you're you're in line, that's right,
So yeah, travel safe, but od you Troy. Troy's got
a shot right to get to the Sunbelt Championship.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah, Troy's got one loss in conference. They've they've done
a nice job. And then you know, Odeu has actually
been pretty good too, winners of two in a row,
beat app in Louisiana, Monroe. The last two weeks, both
of them beat Virginia Tech. Didn't they what's that they
beat Virginia Tech, didn't they really there? They hammered Virginia Techeah. Yeah,
where they've had troubles. They had a two week span
(26:45):
against James Madison. I'm trying to think who the other
team was where they turned the ball over nine times
in two weeks. Obviously both were losses. They've cleaned that up.
They're one of those teams that if they don't turn
the ball over, they're actually Ricky Ronnie the head coach,
has done a really good job.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Meanwhile, the Panthers will go to Atlanta on Sunday bounce
back game five and five.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
You know, I said this on our Monday show and
we'll wrap here.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
If you told a lot of people, hey, after the
last couple of seasons, you'd be five and five after
ten games. The division and all that is still right there.
I think most people will take it. If you had
told them before the Buffalo game and you said, listen,
you got three games Buffalo, green Bay, New Orleans. You're
gonna win one out of those three, most people would
(27:34):
have said, yeah, it's probably going to be the New
Orleans game, and it kind of said, all right, I'll
take that. But I think getting the Green Bay game
it skewed some things, and frankly, as it should, right
because it shows you what you're capable of. Sure, I
think back to what Dan Hawkins always used to say
when I worked with him, the former Boise State Colorado coach, It's.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Hard to win one game. It really is.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
So much goes into it, and I think part of
this is growing pains for a young team and a
core group that listen is figuring out how to win
and how to win week to week and stringing this
together and finding consistency. And it's a lot of the
coaching cliches you.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Hear, but they're true.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
They're they're true for a reason, like this is the
stuff you have to get through and over these next
seven games, you start to see a team that you know,
forget the result for a minute because the schedule is
gonna get hard. But if you just start to play
consistent ball week in week out, I think that represents
a ton of progress. And to me, that's kind of
what I want to see. Can you find consistency week
(28:38):
to week? Can you can?
Speaker 3 (28:39):
You? Can you find that element?
Speaker 1 (28:41):
And I don't know if that's that's not, you know,
all on the coaching staff, that's not all on the players.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
That's just kind of part of what you have to
go through, Yeah, to.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Kind of take that next step, like the these are
these are the steps, and we've seen this.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Progress isn't always linear. It's got to be painful. Remember,
do you remember what the lad game for Clemson was
before they became Clemson West Virginia.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Was it the seventy seven to nothing Bowl game or
whatever it was in the ORIGI Bowl.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
It was the game against West Virginia where the joke
was West Virginia just scored again. They put up seventy
points and the narrative was, oh, look, same old Clemson.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Right, can't win the big game, can't win.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
The games when they're supposed to Clemsoning and you know,
from that point on, they've turned into a big game hunter.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Yeah, for the most part this year notwithstanding. But you
got to go through that. You got to go through that.
So I think we're going through it.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, no question. You gotta get a big one against
Atlanta this week, dude,
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