September 30, 2024 • 31 mins
This week on Weekend Warriors, Anish Shroff and Tom Luginbill recap the Panthers week 4 loss to the Bengals, once again find themselves wondering "what is a catch?", react to what was an incredible college football Saturday, look ahead to this weekend's football action and so much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We are back to the age old question in football,
what is a catch? Boy? Friday night, I was in Miami,
had a heck of a game. Virginia Tech Miami Cain's
big favorites, more than two touchdown favorites. From the very
first quarter, from the opening drive, Virginia Tech made it
very clear they were going to be in this game.
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They weren't going away. Kyron Drones played well and a
great game. A great game, one of the best games
of the year. Nobody's talking about the first fifty nine
minutes and fifty six seconds because everyone's focused in on
what happened at the end. So I was there, Tom
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Lougan Bill, and I'll tell you what I saw. So
Kien Drones on the final play of the game throw
up a hail Mary into the end zone from thirty
six yards out. Looked like four guys went up to
go get it. We're not quite sure who comes down
with it. Neither are the officials. Miami player emerges from
the scrum with the football. The crowd roars, they flicker
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the lights. Everybody in the building thinks Miami has won
the game. The officials are still talking while this is happening.
One of them puts his hands up in the air
and then actually puts up both hands in the air
to signal touchdown. All of a sudden, there is this
hushed silence and disbelief. And then obviously you're gonna review
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the play, so sure, when you review the play, this
is how I felt. And then I'm curious to hear
what you think. If you ask me, and people have
been asking me since Friday, did you think it was
a catch? I say no, I don't think it was
a catch. But, and this is important if it is
ruled a catch on the field, I also did not
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see indisputable video evidence that was clear and obvious to
overturn the call. So I didn't understand why the call
was reverted. Again, do I think it's a catch? No?
I don't think it's a catch. Can I say beyond
a reasonable doubt? Can I say with one hundred percent certainty? No?
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And again, if that's the case, this is going by
the letter of the law how you conduct replay reviews.
To overturn a call, there has to be zero doubt
you're getting the call right. Otherwise they use verbiage right,
they use confirmed or stands if they knew it was
a catch, and it was a catch. The call on
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the field is confirmed if they don't have evidence one
way or the other, or there are shreds of doubt,
the call on the field stands. To reverse a call,
you need to have zero doubt. I don't know how
you watch that replay for as long as they did
and have zero doubt as to whether that was an
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incomplete pass. So again, if you're asking me, I think
it was incomplete. However, if it's rule to catch, there's
not enough evidence to overturn it. All of these things
can be true. That's how I saw it.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, that's how I saw it as well. And I
think the biggest thing that concerns me with it, particularly
as it relates to the statement that the Conference put out,
is that everything in that statement in regards to a
Miami player touching the ball with that player being on
the ground and being out of bounds, where did you
see that it was posted? I think they put it
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out Saturday morning.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
No, I mean, where did you see the video evidence
of that Miami player.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Touching the But here, here's what I was going to
get to was, I don't know necessarily where they saw that,
but what I do know is everything affiliated with that
occurred after the Virginia Tech player had already landed in
bounds and the ball had not been jarbed loose yet, right,
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So I'm with you. Do I think it was a catch?
Probably not, but the fact that they ruled it a catch,
there is zero video evidence to refute that. I don't
understand that in any way, shape or format. And I
thought you guys on the air did an unbelievable job
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of diagramming it, laying out the letter of the law.
The angles were fantastic, And I'm with you. I think
everybody is kind of going, Okay, Well, whether it was
a catch or not, we can debate that, but there
certainly was an evidence to change the ruling on the field.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
If that is ruled incomplete, I still think then when
you review it, the call stands. I don't think you
can confirm that either.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
No, you can't. You can't confirm that either that's exactly right,
it's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
It was going to default to whatever the ruling on
the field was. And people have asked, in that situation
end of game, where that play determines the outcome, should
there be allowance four officials to just kind of throw
their hands up and say, hey, we are not sure,
let replay determine the outcome.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
That is a really really good question. Wow, do we
go down a slippery slope if we take that path?
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah, because again, how many times one is that going
to happen? And then two we don't want to get
to a point where that starts applying itself. You know,
with four minutes to go in the second quarter or
eight minutes to go in the right it becomes the
easy way out. Hey, we're not sure what happened, let's
let's go review it. And now you got to figure
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it out. And here's the thing. A lot of times,
a lot of times through the course of the game,
it's not abundantly clear. So okay, we just default to
the call on the field, and hell, for the most part,
we have to live with that. I feel bad Virginia
Tech has to live with that. I will say this,
I did walk away from the game. Miami had a
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couple of things go right for them in that game
in terms of on their game winning drive. Cam Ward
had a play where on fourth and three, his receiver
slips and Xavier Ristreppo makes the catch from the seat
of his pants for a game of four to get
the first down. Very next play, bad snap on a
shotgun snap from center ward, picks up the ball off
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the ground, hands it to his running back who gets
positive yards. And later on that drive which produced the
go ahead touchdown, he is dead to rights and does
like this Patrick Mahomes shot put pass to his third
string tight end who rumbles down the right sideline to
set up first and goal and eventually the game winning score.
When you couple those three plays with the reversal at
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the end. Again, I'm not trying to get all metaphysical here,
but it makes you think, is there a magic fairy
does do on this Miami season?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Well, listen, I've always been a firm believer that luck
is part of the equation in every single sporting event
that is played. There's gonna have to be at some
point something that happens. Take Ole miss in Kentucky on Saturday. Yeah,
all right, That ball is fumbled by Gavin Wimsatt, the
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quarterback in Kentucky, and literally bounces into the lap of
an opposing player. There's good to be of a player
on the same team as he falls into the end zone.
I mean that stuff is just part of the deal.
And I think sometimes when you're gonna have a magical
season or you have the makings of one, you're gonna
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make your own luck. You're gonna get a break here,
You're gonna have some luck work for you. You're gonna
be better than people. It's gonna be a recipe of
a thousand different ingredients, and luck is one of them.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah, and Miami is magic city. And if you ask
a Hurricanes fan, I'll tell you we've been due for
some luck for probably two decades, basically since they joined
the ACC. This is the Weekend.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Ladies and Gentlemen. The weekend.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Close to the episode caught fit fling touchdown Carolina Weekend Warriors.
Let's talk about the game you were at LUGS because
I caught some of that, and I know Florida State's
been down and the one win was a fourteen to
nine win against cal SMU first year in the league,
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first conference game. I thought Florida State would go in
there and give SMU a game. It wouldn't have surprised
me if SMU won. It absolutely surprised me the way
SMU won. I mean, they're playing their walk ons and
their backups in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, listen, I kind of I was hoping going into
the game that because of the win that Florida State
got versus Cal, that's a pretty good Cal team. The
fact that the defense had cranked it up. I mean,
they had seven sacks on the day. Offense still struggling,
but there was there were some positives to point out.
So I'm like, Okay, maybe Florida State's got some rhythm
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now and maybe they got a little bit of confidence,
and they're gonna go on the road. And you've got
this group of five coming up to Power four level
team and SMU that's basically paying their own way. Literally,
I call them the walk on with rich parents because
that's exactly what they are in the new look acc
And I'm going, so, you know, what are they going
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to do when they see that spear on the helmet
step foot on the field? You know? I mean, there's
an element to that. And what transpired was not that
I didn't expect SMU to play well. I did. What
I didn't expect was for SMU to completely dominate Florida
State in the trenches. On both sides of the ball.
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They threw Florida State around that defense that arrived versus
cal that garnered seven sacks, did not get on the
bus in Dallas, Texas this past weekend for Florida State,
and SMU did whatever they wanted whenever they wanted for
four quarters. And on the flip side, for Florida State,
the same issues rear their ugly head each and every week. Yes,
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it revolves around the quarterback. The offensive line is struggling,
they can't run the football, and then dj Uyungalila just
continues to put the ball in harm's way. And you're
on the road and it's loud, it's crowded, uncharted waters.
If you're Florida State, you haven't been SMU. You never
even have thought you'd be playing at SMU. And it
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was I'll say this, it was impressive. And if SMU
somehow goes on the road this week and beats Louisville,
they're gonna find themselves in position to potentially play for
the ACC Championship. And so I'm impressed with them. I
think what's gonna happen is we'll see how tired and
worn down they get it to get some injuries late
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in the season, where generally when you're not playing Power
five teams every week. You're you can withstand that a
little bit more so, I think their death will be challenged.
But they were impress a bunch, man, They really were.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
You look at the way their schedule sets up. Right
at Louisville, if you can go get that one, then
you're at Stanford. Winnable game at Duke, that'll be tough.
Duke's pretty good and they're undefeated. They beat UNC over
the weekend, home against pitt home against BC. I call
those toss up games at Virginia a game you should win.
And then you're home against Cal. I mean, you miss Clemson,
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you miss Miami. You got a chance. Now again, it's
your first year playing Power five, Power four opponents week in,
week out, and you're a stretch where you're playing ten straight.
So you know, injuries and attrition may be a factor.
But you got to remember the way this team is built.
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Most of these guys, I mean, they're basically Miami Southwest.
They got nine Miami transfers on their team, and oh yeah,
most of their guys are Power five transfers who play
critical roles, or the ones that aren't are you know
guys that they've shigned locally. Who are you high three
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star low four star recruits?
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, And they did a really good job in the
trenches with going out on both sides of the ball.
I mean, all five of their starting offensive linemen have
played at Power five schools and played significant snaps most
of the defense. As you mentioned, a lot a lot
of familiar faces. RHT lastly recruited some of these guys
when he was the offensive coordinator at Miami, so they
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in a very quick period of time, they were able
to whip up a competitive bunch in the offensive and
defensive line. And here's what's going to happen for them.
And this is why the job could be scary for others,
is in the Dallas metroplex area for recruiting, there are
so many great players that maybe right now don't look
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at SMU the way they look at Oklahoma or Texas
A and m Okay or or even Oklahoma State or
LSU or what have you. But if something doesn't work out,
guess where they're all going to come back to and
guess who's got the money to pay them, you know.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
And they've been doing that really even before the quote
unquote portal era, before we leave this. Florida State this
week for its game has named Brock Glenn end dj
Uyong Lala as co starters and either or quarterback. Yeah,
I think it might be time to pull the plug
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on DJU.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I don't know if they haven't choices anymore, and if
they've taken this long, it tells me that they're as concerned,
even if not more concerned, than the two guys behind them.
Because behind Brock Glenn is Luke Cromenhoak, who's a true freshman,
and so you're probably weary about damaging him. But the
way I look at it right now, if the other
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guy's going to go three three turnovers the game, how's
it gonna get you worse?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
And you're playing a Clemson team this week who's got
its mojo back.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Absolutely, they're rolling right now, and you don't think they'd
love to see him suit it up. Oh, by the way,
I think, did I say this to you last week
that Davos Sweeney went eleven and two with dj Rujungole
that's the coaching job of the century.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah, it really is. Yeah, Yeah, I mean in hindsight, right,
you know people were killing them right, Well, they lost
two games and they're not as good. And you know,
you know, he got dju to go to Notre Dame
and play the game of his life.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Remember, Oh, absolutely no doubt, so no doubt.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Crazy turmoil in Tallahassee. Meanwhile, I'm gonna full disclosure here.
So I'm watching Georgia Alabama at home. I had your
game on SMU Florida State on the other TV, thirty
to seven at halftime. El Panthers Bengals on Sunday. Okay,
you know what, I got a good excuse Saturday night,
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go to bed early. It was my daughter's birthday on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
So that's right.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
I had the late game Friday night in Miami, early
flight back, we had the birthday party, all that stuff. Right,
She goes to bed, watch a little bit of football
thirty to seven at halftime. Luke's I'm not gonna lie.
I turned it off. I went to bed.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Whoops, Oh my goodness. Well I was on at the
same time, and we kept getting check out to the
commercial breaks and TV timeouts and this and that, and
it was just it was mind boggling, dude. I mean,
talk about a tail of two.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Halves, right, first half Alabama and Jalen Milroe looked like
world beaters. And we have not seen teams do that
to Georgia's defense in the last five years. We have
not seen that. And they did whatever they wanted. Well
one guy did, Bryce Young did that in the SEC
Championship game. Outside of that, we haven't seen a team
drum Georgia defensive league that way. And then when I
watched the highlights back of the second half, it was
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almost like a complete role reversal. Right, freaky Friday. Now
George is the one who can't be stopped and Carson
Beck is dealing. And then you had to play by
Ryan Williams at the end, which was, I mean, one
of the great spin moves of all time. I don't
know how he got free, but he did. But boy,
I mean that is again, given where both teams were ranked,
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the history between both those games, both those teams, you know,
that's pantheon level SEC football right there.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
It was. I mean it was, And I think what
you said initially was the biggest stunner was that Georgia,
who has elite level players right should never and I
don't even care if it's against Alabama or Ohio State,
they should never be in a game where they are
where they get embarrassed, right, They're too good to get embarrassed.
Everybody can get embarrassed, but generally it's when one team
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is so far out classes the other that that's how
it happened. So for Alabama to do what they did
to Georgia in that first half, and for Jalen mill
Road to do what he did, not just through the air,
but most notably on the ground against that Georgia team
was absolutely one of the most impressive things I've ever seen.
And then to see the thing play out in the
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second half and become the game that everybody was expecting
it to be for four quarters, right, Yeah, I mean
that's that's essentially what it became when we just skipped
a half, I guess. But isn't it ironic that the
two basically heroes of the day were two true freshmen,
Brown and Ryan Williams.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah, Williams had the touchdown, and.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
They kept picking on Davian Brown and picking on Davian Brown,
and they got him a couple of times, and that
kid just kept hanging in there and hanging in there,
and when that moment came in the end zone and
he turned and identified that ball, which he hadn't really
done all night. He hadn't been in bad coverage. He
just didn't make any plays on the ball, and then
to make that play at that moment was ridiculous, just
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absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
You're the recruiting guy. What were they both five stars?
Four stars?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Zaba was a high four star. Ryan Williams was our
top ranked receiver in the class. And by the way,
there you go, by the way, by the way, we
have been in the twenty classes we've done well, nineteen
classes that we've done, we have never had three wide
receivers in the top eight overall in the ESPN three hundred.
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Never this year we had Ryan Williams one, Jeremiah Smith
at Ohio State two, and Cam Coleman at Auburn three.
Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
How much of that is because of all these seven
on sevens.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I think some of it is that. I think maybe
more of it is the individual camp and combine circuit
where these kids we see him all the time school
to get to see him all the time, you know,
I've probably seen Ryan Williams in four different camps over
the course of him being fourteen seventeen, years old. Like, so,
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it's just the amount of stample size that you get
now to hopefully be able to project better is pretty vast.
And then like for us, he reclassifies, so we bring
him down to the under Armor All American Game. So
he's down there, and during the week, remember because he's younger,
he's only seventeen, during the week leading up to the game,
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he's the best player on the field for both teams. Yeah,
it was amazing. Wow, Yeah, he's incredible.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
The quarterbacks in this game are both highly regarded by
NFL scouts. Carson Beck of Georgia kind of came into
the season as the consensus number one quarterback. But I'll
tell you what. I want to tuck Jalen Milroe for
a second. When I watched Jalen Milrow last year, what
I saw was an incredible athlete at the quarterback position
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who was not nearly not nearly ready from a quarterback
passing processing standpoint. And a lot of times those guys
tend to be really good college quarterbacks. Think Kim Tebow,
think Denard Robinson, think Eric Crouch. Right, and at Alabama,
you know he's gonna have not just a good but
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an elite supporting cast, and you kind of said, Okay,
this is a guy that he's worth a gamble on.
Obviously by an NFL team. He's probably gonna end up
as a really good college quarterback. But I just don't
see the stuff that translates to the NFL. And it
reminded me, and I think you might have even been
there ACC media one year when Lamar Jackson was there
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with Bobby Patrino, who was his head coach. And I
know there's a lot of things you can say about
Bobby Patrino, but Lamar Jackson probably owes Bobby this. And
this was the year that Lamar won the Heisman. It
was right before that. It was at ACC media day,
so the summer before his Heisman campaign. And he's telling
a story, Lamar is how during spring practice, every time
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Lamar Jackson stepped out outside of the pocket, Bobby Petrino
blew the whistle. Don you remember that?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
First of all? Not only do I remember it, there's
another component to that. Not only did he do that
because I was there that spring I watched spring practice,
he also wouldn't allow him to play out of the shotgun, right.
He made him play from center for fifteen days, it's crazy.
So yeah, continue, I told.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
You know this right so and again I'm not trying
to draw the line, but it's hard not to. Lamar
took that leap that season where yes, the athleticism and
the stuff that he can do out of the pocket,
the ability to improvise, the ability to take a broken
play and turn it into a highlight, real Heisman type play,
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that was always there, but we saw him start to
become a complete player. And the passing and the accuracy
and all those things that were coming together. So when
he went into the draft, all these teams that I
don't know if they did their homework on him, well,
we don't think he could play quarterback. We'd use him
as a receiver, or we'd use him as a gadget guy.
We don't like him as a quarterback. In the Ravens,
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who historically started with Ozzie Newsom, have been so great
at scouting players, so great at doing their homework. Saw
what this guy could be as a quarterback and elite athlete.
And if that other component comes, now, the upside is
I mean immense, is infinite, almost And they ended up
getting a two time MVP who can do a little
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bit of everything. Now I'm starting to see that with
Jaylen Milroe. That's where I'm going with this, Like you're
starting to see it, and I'm not sure there is
a guy in this upcoming draft who has the ceiling
of Jaylen Milroe. Now, whether he hits it or not,
that's a different story. But when you have that kind
of athlete lugues and you can play quarterback and you
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can process, that's where you go get a Josh Allen.
That's where you get a Mahomes. That's where you get
a Lamar Jackson, a Michael Vick, a Randall Cunningham, a
Donovan McNabb, a Steve Young, guys who can be a
foundational block for your franchise for a long long time.
And I'm telling you, man, I'm watching Jalen Milroe do
it against Georgia with all these NFL prospects, and I'm going, boy,
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I'm getting Lamar Jackson flashbacks.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah, yeah, And I'll further it. He's built bigger and
more sturdy than Lamar. Maybe not quite as tall, but
from a durability standpoint, he's bigger, he's physical, he's more,
he's thicker a lot like Jalen Hurts. But what he
is is he is so suddenly explosive. There's a difference
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between being long term fast, right, or building up to
top speed or bolting to top speed fast and you
outrun any everybody. I'm talking about the type of stuff
where you have to make somebody miss in a phone booth,
or you have to get from zero to sixty in
zo point zh five seconds. And usually guys that can
do that are Jaylen Waddle, Isaiah Bond. They are little guys, right, Yeah,
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this dude is a mammoth thoroughbread. I had Alabama twice,
I think twenty twenty three season, and he was having
some struggles. But what he had such a perseverance of mind,
meaning all the negativity that was falling on him, it
never seeped in, like it never phased it. And he
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took so much public heat. And you're gonna take that
at Alabama anyway. But when you're following a Jalen Hurts
and to Antonio Maloa and a Matt Jones and you know,
so on and so young Bryce Young, I mean, it's
just it becomes almost impossible to meet that standard. But
I don't disagree with you. I think with what the
NFL is evolving into. And when you see more and
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more athletic guys having success, there's less and less doubt
on future up and comers, right, because there's more of
a sample size with guys like before, there was a Mahome, before,
there was a Lamar before, like you had a Donovan mcnahb.
He could move.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Well, we're missing a big one, you know, Cam Newton.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Cam Newton, right, So yeah, he's a big one. And
he was such a he was such an anomaly because
of the physical attributes, because he could protect himself due
to his size, and no nobody moved like he did.
I mean that was that was ridiculous. But I think
what's happening. You're seeing more and more and more of that.
So there's less and less doubt when you may be
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asking yourself as a scouter or a GM or a coach,
did this guy do this and get away with this
in this league? Right? And and so the more success
guys that like like Lamar have and and Jalen has
and all of that only helped somebody like Jaylen Milroe.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yeah, no doubt. And again nothing against Carson Beck. I
just I'm not sure he's even one of the top
three quarterbacks in his class. I mean, I I Luke's
I look at I look at Milroe and and the
ceiling that Max ceiling boy is so tempting. The other guy,
I saw cam Ward in person. He does those Josh
Allen Patrick Mahomes types of things. And there was a
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moxie and it's funny. You know what Mario Christobal told us.
He said, when we watched this guy's tape, add incarnate
word at Washington State, what we really liked about him
was he could have a bad play, he could have
a bad series, and it never snowballed into a bad game.
He was so good at coming back. Okay, I threw
a pick. Okay, I'll come back and I'll throw a touchdown.
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The game against Virginia Tech was a great example. He
didn't have a great game. He had three turnovers, threw
two picks, fumbled away a ball early in the game,
and with the game on the line fourth quarter, he
made every play and he made some incredible plays. And again,
Shador Sanders is another guy where listen, the Dion factor
scares me a little bit because they say a lot
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and they talk a lot, and you got to go
to an organization that knows how to how to handle
the noise and how to put the guardrails up. But
what that guy's doing for two years with no offensive line,
that's also very impressive. I can't take that away.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
No, and and by the way, to give him some
credit this this week, they actually look like a competent
football team. They played well, They played well on defense.
I think the difference between a guy like Shador and
a guy like cam Ward is Shador is playing far
more of a game of street ball, and I think
that can be dangerous because that will get you hurt
in the National Football League. And with cam The thing
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that's crazy to me about cam and I don't know
if you feel this way after seeing him in person,
is he looks like he's bored, Like he almost like
this is too easy. Come on, guys, let's go show
me something I haven't seen. Did you get that sense
at all about him?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
It's almost And I said this on the air. I said,
when the drum beat gets faster, his heartbeat gets slower.
He never seems rushed, even when things are collapsing and
breaking down around him. There is always this sense of control,
this poise and I've always said, the great ones make
it look easy. He makes it look easy.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
He does, he does, and I am listen, You're right,
you don't often see that, and then when you do,
it stands out like such a sore thumb because you
know it when you see it, but you can't define
it like you can't you can't understand, well, why can
this guy do that? And that guy who's ever been
is physically gifted doesn't give off that same aura. Yeah, right,
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that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
And the best part of all this is, you know,
we're in season and we're watching these guys and at
times watching them up close, and you can see this
happen in real time. And then you're gonna get into
the offseason and you're gonna have a pro day in
these controlled environments with all the variables accounted for, and
somebody's going to talk them into something that's not there
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or talk them out of something that very much is
there based on a pro day. And I think sometimes
we've seen this movie play out plenty of times. Sometimes
the film tells you what you need to know, that's all.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
That's all. Yeah, that's right. Sometimes you know, forget about
the underwear Olympics at the combine, right, Yeah, and forget
about the pro day. That's the one thing that is
beautiful about the sport of football is it's the only
sport that cannot be duplicated in an offseason.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
So we try real hard, though, don't we.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
We do. We try really really hard. But like, if
I'm going to go scout a basketball player in the winter,
he's playing in the summer, He's playing the same game.
If I'm evaluating a football player during the season, but
I'm evaluating him in the summer, he's on in pads
and a helmets. He's working different types of things that
lend towards being a better football player, but it's not
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the same game.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
It reminds me of a story. There was once this
basketball player called e Gion Leon. He was from China,
and in his pre draft workout, this is great, they
had this chair that they put right at the free
throw line and he was doing these drills with the
chair quote unquote, serving as a defender, right and was
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wowing all these scouts with this drill with a chair.
So when he got into the league, the Bucks ended
up taking him in the first round. You know what
his nickname was The chairman, the chairman, and he ended
up being like a top ten pick. I'm looking it
up now, sixth overall, the number six pick in the draft,
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had five seasons in the NBA, averaged double digits. Once
underwear Olympics, he was a gold medalist. Yeah, so again,
there's a chairman story for everybody. That's a good note
to end on. Where are you off to this week?
Speaker 2 (30:57):
I am back in Atlanta for the un Blue Devils
taking on Georgia Tech. Coming off of a bye weekend.
How about you?
Speaker 1 (31:04):
We will be at TCU Houston at TCU Cougars have
been shut out in back to back weeks, but they've
got a great coach and Willie Fritz year one day
and he'll he's gonna get that thing right. And TCU
two years removed from playing for the championship, they got
an offense that can put up some points. So Houston's
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got a good defense. TCU has got a good offense.
Hopefully it's another good one on Friday night and we
will reconvene next Monday.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Let's steal a pow
We are back to the age old question in football,
what is a catch? Boy? Friday night, I was in Miami,
had a heck of a game. Virginia Tech Miami Cain's
big favorites, more than two touchdown favorites. From the very
first quarter, from the opening drive, Virginia Tech made it
very clear they were going to be in this game.
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They weren't going away. Kyron Drones played well and a
great game. A great game, one of the best games
of the year. Nobody's talking about the first fifty nine
minutes and fifty six seconds because everyone's focused in on
what happened at the end. So I was there, Tom
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Lougan Bill, and I'll tell you what I saw. So
Kien Drones on the final play of the game throw
up a hail Mary into the end zone from thirty
six yards out. Looked like four guys went up to
go get it. We're not quite sure who comes down
with it. Neither are the officials. Miami player emerges from
the scrum with the football. The crowd roars, they flicker
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the lights. Everybody in the building thinks Miami has won
the game. The officials are still talking while this is happening.
One of them puts his hands up in the air
and then actually puts up both hands in the air
to signal touchdown. All of a sudden, there is this
hushed silence and disbelief. And then obviously you're gonna review
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the play, so sure, when you review the play, this
is how I felt. And then I'm curious to hear
what you think. If you ask me, and people have
been asking me since Friday, did you think it was
a catch? I say no, I don't think it was
a catch. But, and this is important if it is
ruled a catch on the field, I also did not
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see indisputable video evidence that was clear and obvious to
overturn the call. So I didn't understand why the call
was reverted. Again, do I think it's a catch? No?
I don't think it's a catch. Can I say beyond
a reasonable doubt? Can I say with one hundred percent certainty? No?
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And again, if that's the case, this is going by
the letter of the law how you conduct replay reviews.
To overturn a call, there has to be zero doubt
you're getting the call right. Otherwise they use verbiage right,
they use confirmed or stands if they knew it was
a catch, and it was a catch. The call on
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the field is confirmed if they don't have evidence one
way or the other, or there are shreds of doubt,
the call on the field stands. To reverse a call,
you need to have zero doubt. I don't know how
you watch that replay for as long as they did
and have zero doubt as to whether that was an
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incomplete pass. So again, if you're asking me, I think
it was incomplete. However, if it's rule to catch, there's
not enough evidence to overturn it. All of these things
can be true. That's how I saw it.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, that's how I saw it as well. And I
think the biggest thing that concerns me with it, particularly
as it relates to the statement that the Conference put out,
is that everything in that statement in regards to a
Miami player touching the ball with that player being on
the ground and being out of bounds, where did you
see that it was posted? I think they put it
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out Saturday morning.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
No, I mean, where did you see the video evidence
of that Miami player.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Touching the But here, here's what I was going to
get to was, I don't know necessarily where they saw that,
but what I do know is everything affiliated with that
occurred after the Virginia Tech player had already landed in
bounds and the ball had not been jarbed loose yet, right,
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So I'm with you. Do I think it was a catch?
Probably not, but the fact that they ruled it a catch,
there is zero video evidence to refute that. I don't
understand that in any way, shape or format. And I
thought you guys on the air did an unbelievable job
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of diagramming it, laying out the letter of the law.
The angles were fantastic, And I'm with you. I think
everybody is kind of going, Okay, Well, whether it was
a catch or not, we can debate that, but there
certainly was an evidence to change the ruling on the field.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
If that is ruled incomplete, I still think then when
you review it, the call stands. I don't think you
can confirm that either.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
No, you can't. You can't confirm that either that's exactly right,
it's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
It was going to default to whatever the ruling on
the field was. And people have asked, in that situation
end of game, where that play determines the outcome, should
there be allowance four officials to just kind of throw
their hands up and say, hey, we are not sure,
let replay determine the outcome.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
That is a really really good question. Wow, do we
go down a slippery slope if we take that path?
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah, because again, how many times one is that going
to happen? And then two we don't want to get
to a point where that starts applying itself. You know,
with four minutes to go in the second quarter or
eight minutes to go in the right it becomes the
easy way out. Hey, we're not sure what happened, let's
let's go review it. And now you got to figure
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it out. And here's the thing. A lot of times,
a lot of times through the course of the game,
it's not abundantly clear. So okay, we just default to
the call on the field, and hell, for the most part,
we have to live with that. I feel bad Virginia
Tech has to live with that. I will say this,
I did walk away from the game. Miami had a
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couple of things go right for them in that game
in terms of on their game winning drive. Cam Ward
had a play where on fourth and three, his receiver
slips and Xavier Ristreppo makes the catch from the seat
of his pants for a game of four to get
the first down. Very next play, bad snap on a
shotgun snap from center ward, picks up the ball off
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the ground, hands it to his running back who gets
positive yards. And later on that drive which produced the
go ahead touchdown, he is dead to rights and does
like this Patrick Mahomes shot put pass to his third
string tight end who rumbles down the right sideline to
set up first and goal and eventually the game winning score.
When you couple those three plays with the reversal at
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the end. Again, I'm not trying to get all metaphysical here,
but it makes you think, is there a magic fairy
does do on this Miami season?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Well, listen, I've always been a firm believer that luck
is part of the equation in every single sporting event
that is played. There's gonna have to be at some
point something that happens. Take Ole miss in Kentucky on Saturday. Yeah,
all right, That ball is fumbled by Gavin Wimsatt, the
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quarterback in Kentucky, and literally bounces into the lap of
an opposing player. There's good to be of a player
on the same team as he falls into the end zone.
I mean that stuff is just part of the deal.
And I think sometimes when you're gonna have a magical
season or you have the makings of one, you're gonna
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make your own luck. You're gonna get a break here,
You're gonna have some luck work for you. You're gonna
be better than people. It's gonna be a recipe of
a thousand different ingredients, and luck is one of them.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah, and Miami is magic city. And if you ask
a Hurricanes fan, I'll tell you we've been due for
some luck for probably two decades, basically since they joined
the ACC. This is the Weekend.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Ladies and Gentlemen. The weekend.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Close to the episode caught fit fling touchdown Carolina Weekend Warriors.
Let's talk about the game you were at LUGS because
I caught some of that, and I know Florida State's
been down and the one win was a fourteen to
nine win against cal SMU first year in the league,
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first conference game. I thought Florida State would go in
there and give SMU a game. It wouldn't have surprised
me if SMU won. It absolutely surprised me the way
SMU won. I mean, they're playing their walk ons and
their backups in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, listen, I kind of I was hoping going into
the game that because of the win that Florida State
got versus Cal, that's a pretty good Cal team. The
fact that the defense had cranked it up. I mean,
they had seven sacks on the day. Offense still struggling,
but there was there were some positives to point out.
So I'm like, Okay, maybe Florida State's got some rhythm
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now and maybe they got a little bit of confidence,
and they're gonna go on the road. And you've got
this group of five coming up to Power four level
team and SMU that's basically paying their own way. Literally,
I call them the walk on with rich parents because
that's exactly what they are in the new look acc
And I'm going, so, you know, what are they going
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to do when they see that spear on the helmet
step foot on the field? You know? I mean, there's
an element to that. And what transpired was not that
I didn't expect SMU to play well. I did. What
I didn't expect was for SMU to completely dominate Florida
State in the trenches. On both sides of the ball.
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They threw Florida State around that defense that arrived versus
cal that garnered seven sacks, did not get on the
bus in Dallas, Texas this past weekend for Florida State,
and SMU did whatever they wanted whenever they wanted for
four quarters. And on the flip side, for Florida State,
the same issues rear their ugly head each and every week. Yes,
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it revolves around the quarterback. The offensive line is struggling,
they can't run the football, and then dj Uyungalila just
continues to put the ball in harm's way. And you're
on the road and it's loud, it's crowded, uncharted waters.
If you're Florida State, you haven't been SMU. You never
even have thought you'd be playing at SMU. And it
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was I'll say this, it was impressive. And if SMU
somehow goes on the road this week and beats Louisville,
they're gonna find themselves in position to potentially play for
the ACC Championship. And so I'm impressed with them. I
think what's gonna happen is we'll see how tired and
worn down they get it to get some injuries late
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in the season, where generally when you're not playing Power
five teams every week. You're you can withstand that a
little bit more so, I think their death will be challenged.
But they were impress a bunch, man, They really were.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
You look at the way their schedule sets up. Right
at Louisville, if you can go get that one, then
you're at Stanford. Winnable game at Duke, that'll be tough.
Duke's pretty good and they're undefeated. They beat UNC over
the weekend, home against pitt home against BC. I call
those toss up games at Virginia a game you should win.
And then you're home against Cal. I mean, you miss Clemson,
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you miss Miami. You got a chance. Now again, it's
your first year playing Power five, Power four opponents week in,
week out, and you're a stretch where you're playing ten straight.
So you know, injuries and attrition may be a factor.
But you got to remember the way this team is built.
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Most of these guys, I mean, they're basically Miami Southwest.
They got nine Miami transfers on their team, and oh yeah,
most of their guys are Power five transfers who play
critical roles, or the ones that aren't are you know
guys that they've shigned locally. Who are you high three
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star low four star recruits?
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, And they did a really good job in the
trenches with going out on both sides of the ball.
I mean, all five of their starting offensive linemen have
played at Power five schools and played significant snaps most
of the defense. As you mentioned, a lot a lot
of familiar faces. RHT lastly recruited some of these guys
when he was the offensive coordinator at Miami, so they
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in a very quick period of time, they were able
to whip up a competitive bunch in the offensive and
defensive line. And here's what's going to happen for them.
And this is why the job could be scary for others,
is in the Dallas metroplex area for recruiting, there are
so many great players that maybe right now don't look
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at SMU the way they look at Oklahoma or Texas
A and m Okay or or even Oklahoma State or
LSU or what have you. But if something doesn't work out,
guess where they're all going to come back to and
guess who's got the money to pay them, you know.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
And they've been doing that really even before the quote
unquote portal era, before we leave this. Florida State this
week for its game has named Brock Glenn end dj
Uyong Lala as co starters and either or quarterback. Yeah,
I think it might be time to pull the plug
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on DJU.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I don't know if they haven't choices anymore, and if
they've taken this long, it tells me that they're as concerned,
even if not more concerned, than the two guys behind them.
Because behind Brock Glenn is Luke Cromenhoak, who's a true freshman,
and so you're probably weary about damaging him. But the
way I look at it right now, if the other
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guy's going to go three three turnovers the game, how's
it gonna get you worse?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
And you're playing a Clemson team this week who's got
its mojo back.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Absolutely, they're rolling right now, and you don't think they'd
love to see him suit it up. Oh, by the way,
I think, did I say this to you last week
that Davos Sweeney went eleven and two with dj Rujungole
that's the coaching job of the century.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah, it really is. Yeah, Yeah, I mean in hindsight, right,
you know people were killing them right, Well, they lost
two games and they're not as good. And you know,
you know, he got dju to go to Notre Dame
and play the game of his life.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Remember, Oh, absolutely no doubt, so no doubt.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Crazy turmoil in Tallahassee. Meanwhile, I'm gonna full disclosure here.
So I'm watching Georgia Alabama at home. I had your
game on SMU Florida State on the other TV, thirty
to seven at halftime. El Panthers Bengals on Sunday. Okay,
you know what, I got a good excuse Saturday night,
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go to bed early. It was my daughter's birthday on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
So that's right.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
I had the late game Friday night in Miami, early
flight back, we had the birthday party, all that stuff. Right,
She goes to bed, watch a little bit of football
thirty to seven at halftime. Luke's I'm not gonna lie.
I turned it off. I went to bed.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Whoops, Oh my goodness. Well I was on at the
same time, and we kept getting check out to the
commercial breaks and TV timeouts and this and that, and
it was just it was mind boggling, dude. I mean,
talk about a tail of two.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Halves, right, first half Alabama and Jalen Milroe looked like
world beaters. And we have not seen teams do that
to Georgia's defense in the last five years. We have
not seen that. And they did whatever they wanted. Well
one guy did, Bryce Young did that in the SEC
Championship game. Outside of that, we haven't seen a team
drum Georgia defensive league that way. And then when I
watched the highlights back of the second half, it was
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almost like a complete role reversal. Right, freaky Friday. Now
George is the one who can't be stopped and Carson
Beck is dealing. And then you had to play by
Ryan Williams at the end, which was, I mean, one
of the great spin moves of all time. I don't
know how he got free, but he did. But boy,
I mean that is again, given where both teams were ranked,
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the history between both those games, both those teams, you know,
that's pantheon level SEC football right there.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
It was. I mean it was, And I think what
you said initially was the biggest stunner was that Georgia,
who has elite level players right should never and I
don't even care if it's against Alabama or Ohio State,
they should never be in a game where they are
where they get embarrassed, right, They're too good to get embarrassed.
Everybody can get embarrassed, but generally it's when one team
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is so far out classes the other that that's how
it happened. So for Alabama to do what they did
to Georgia in that first half, and for Jalen mill
Road to do what he did, not just through the air,
but most notably on the ground against that Georgia team
was absolutely one of the most impressive things I've ever seen.
And then to see the thing play out in the
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second half and become the game that everybody was expecting
it to be for four quarters, right, Yeah, I mean
that's that's essentially what it became when we just skipped
a half, I guess. But isn't it ironic that the
two basically heroes of the day were two true freshmen,
Brown and Ryan Williams.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah, Williams had the touchdown, and.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
They kept picking on Davian Brown and picking on Davian Brown,
and they got him a couple of times, and that
kid just kept hanging in there and hanging in there,
and when that moment came in the end zone and
he turned and identified that ball, which he hadn't really
done all night. He hadn't been in bad coverage. He
just didn't make any plays on the ball, and then
to make that play at that moment was ridiculous, just
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absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
You're the recruiting guy. What were they both five stars?
Four stars?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Zaba was a high four star. Ryan Williams was our
top ranked receiver in the class. And by the way,
there you go, by the way, by the way, we
have been in the twenty classes we've done well, nineteen
classes that we've done, we have never had three wide
receivers in the top eight overall in the ESPN three hundred.
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Never this year we had Ryan Williams one, Jeremiah Smith
at Ohio State two, and Cam Coleman at Auburn three.
Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
How much of that is because of all these seven
on sevens.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I think some of it is that. I think maybe
more of it is the individual camp and combine circuit
where these kids we see him all the time school
to get to see him all the time, you know,
I've probably seen Ryan Williams in four different camps over
the course of him being fourteen seventeen, years old. Like, so,
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it's just the amount of stample size that you get
now to hopefully be able to project better is pretty vast.
And then like for us, he reclassifies, so we bring
him down to the under Armor All American Game. So
he's down there, and during the week, remember because he's younger,
he's only seventeen, during the week leading up to the game,
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he's the best player on the field for both teams. Yeah,
it was amazing. Wow, Yeah, he's incredible.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
The quarterbacks in this game are both highly regarded by
NFL scouts. Carson Beck of Georgia kind of came into
the season as the consensus number one quarterback. But I'll
tell you what. I want to tuck Jalen Milroe for
a second. When I watched Jalen Milrow last year, what
I saw was an incredible athlete at the quarterback position
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who was not nearly not nearly ready from a quarterback
passing processing standpoint. And a lot of times those guys
tend to be really good college quarterbacks. Think Kim Tebow,
think Denard Robinson, think Eric Crouch. Right, and at Alabama,
you know he's gonna have not just a good but
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an elite supporting cast, and you kind of said, Okay,
this is a guy that he's worth a gamble on.
Obviously by an NFL team. He's probably gonna end up
as a really good college quarterback. But I just don't
see the stuff that translates to the NFL. And it
reminded me, and I think you might have even been
there ACC media one year when Lamar Jackson was there
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with Bobby Patrino, who was his head coach. And I
know there's a lot of things you can say about
Bobby Patrino, but Lamar Jackson probably owes Bobby this. And
this was the year that Lamar won the Heisman. It
was right before that. It was at ACC media day,
so the summer before his Heisman campaign. And he's telling
a story, Lamar is how during spring practice, every time
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Lamar Jackson stepped out outside of the pocket, Bobby Petrino
blew the whistle. Don you remember that?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
First of all? Not only do I remember it, there's
another component to that. Not only did he do that
because I was there that spring I watched spring practice,
he also wouldn't allow him to play out of the shotgun, right.
He made him play from center for fifteen days, it's crazy.
So yeah, continue, I told.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
You know this right so and again I'm not trying
to draw the line, but it's hard not to. Lamar
took that leap that season where yes, the athleticism and
the stuff that he can do out of the pocket,
the ability to improvise, the ability to take a broken
play and turn it into a highlight, real Heisman type play,
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that was always there, but we saw him start to
become a complete player. And the passing and the accuracy
and all those things that were coming together. So when
he went into the draft, all these teams that I
don't know if they did their homework on him, well,
we don't think he could play quarterback. We'd use him
as a receiver, or we'd use him as a gadget guy.
We don't like him as a quarterback. In the Ravens,
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who historically started with Ozzie Newsom, have been so great
at scouting players, so great at doing their homework. Saw
what this guy could be as a quarterback and elite athlete.
And if that other component comes, now, the upside is
I mean immense, is infinite, almost And they ended up
getting a two time MVP who can do a little
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bit of everything. Now I'm starting to see that with
Jaylen Milroe. That's where I'm going with this, Like you're
starting to see it, and I'm not sure there is
a guy in this upcoming draft who has the ceiling
of Jaylen Milroe. Now, whether he hits it or not,
that's a different story. But when you have that kind
of athlete lugues and you can play quarterback and you
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can process, that's where you go get a Josh Allen.
That's where you get a Mahomes. That's where you get
a Lamar Jackson, a Michael Vick, a Randall Cunningham, a
Donovan McNabb, a Steve Young, guys who can be a
foundational block for your franchise for a long long time.
And I'm telling you, man, I'm watching Jalen Milroe do
it against Georgia with all these NFL prospects, and I'm going, boy,
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I'm getting Lamar Jackson flashbacks.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah, yeah, And I'll further it. He's built bigger and
more sturdy than Lamar. Maybe not quite as tall, but
from a durability standpoint, he's bigger, he's physical, he's more,
he's thicker a lot like Jalen Hurts. But what he
is is he is so suddenly explosive. There's a difference
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between being long term fast, right, or building up to
top speed or bolting to top speed fast and you
outrun any everybody. I'm talking about the type of stuff
where you have to make somebody miss in a phone booth,
or you have to get from zero to sixty in
zo point zh five seconds. And usually guys that can
do that are Jaylen Waddle, Isaiah Bond. They are little guys, right, Yeah,
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this dude is a mammoth thoroughbread. I had Alabama twice,
I think twenty twenty three season, and he was having
some struggles. But what he had such a perseverance of mind,
meaning all the negativity that was falling on him, it
never seeped in, like it never phased it. And he
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took so much public heat. And you're gonna take that
at Alabama anyway. But when you're following a Jalen Hurts
and to Antonio Maloa and a Matt Jones and you know,
so on and so young Bryce Young, I mean, it's
just it becomes almost impossible to meet that standard. But
I don't disagree with you. I think with what the
NFL is evolving into. And when you see more and
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more athletic guys having success, there's less and less doubt
on future up and comers, right, because there's more of
a sample size with guys like before, there was a Mahome, before,
there was a Lamar before, like you had a Donovan mcnahb.
He could move.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Well, we're missing a big one, you know, Cam Newton.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Cam Newton, right, So yeah, he's a big one. And
he was such a he was such an anomaly because
of the physical attributes, because he could protect himself due
to his size, and no nobody moved like he did.
I mean that was that was ridiculous. But I think
what's happening. You're seeing more and more and more of that.
So there's less and less doubt when you may be
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asking yourself as a scouter or a GM or a coach,
did this guy do this and get away with this
in this league? Right? And and so the more success
guys that like like Lamar have and and Jalen has
and all of that only helped somebody like Jaylen Milroe.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yeah, no doubt. And again nothing against Carson Beck. I
just I'm not sure he's even one of the top
three quarterbacks in his class. I mean, I I Luke's
I look at I look at Milroe and and the
ceiling that Max ceiling boy is so tempting. The other guy,
I saw cam Ward in person. He does those Josh
Allen Patrick Mahomes types of things. And there was a
(26:05):
moxie and it's funny. You know what Mario Christobal told us.
He said, when we watched this guy's tape, add incarnate
word at Washington State, what we really liked about him
was he could have a bad play, he could have
a bad series, and it never snowballed into a bad game.
He was so good at coming back. Okay, I threw
a pick. Okay, I'll come back and I'll throw a touchdown.
(26:26):
The game against Virginia Tech was a great example. He
didn't have a great game. He had three turnovers, threw
two picks, fumbled away a ball early in the game,
and with the game on the line fourth quarter, he
made every play and he made some incredible plays. And again,
Shador Sanders is another guy where listen, the Dion factor
scares me a little bit because they say a lot
(26:48):
and they talk a lot, and you got to go
to an organization that knows how to how to handle
the noise and how to put the guardrails up. But
what that guy's doing for two years with no offensive line,
that's also very impressive. I can't take that away.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
No, and and by the way, to give him some
credit this this week, they actually look like a competent
football team. They played well, They played well on defense.
I think the difference between a guy like Shador and
a guy like cam Ward is Shador is playing far
more of a game of street ball, and I think
that can be dangerous because that will get you hurt
in the National Football League. And with cam The thing
(27:27):
that's crazy to me about cam and I don't know
if you feel this way after seeing him in person,
is he looks like he's bored, Like he almost like
this is too easy. Come on, guys, let's go show
me something I haven't seen. Did you get that sense
at all about him?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
It's almost And I said this on the air. I said,
when the drum beat gets faster, his heartbeat gets slower.
He never seems rushed, even when things are collapsing and
breaking down around him. There is always this sense of control,
this poise and I've always said, the great ones make
it look easy. He makes it look easy.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
He does, he does, and I am listen, You're right,
you don't often see that, and then when you do,
it stands out like such a sore thumb because you
know it when you see it, but you can't define
it like you can't you can't understand, well, why can
this guy do that? And that guy who's ever been
is physically gifted doesn't give off that same aura. Yeah, right,
(28:33):
that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
And the best part of all this is, you know,
we're in season and we're watching these guys and at
times watching them up close, and you can see this
happen in real time. And then you're gonna get into
the offseason and you're gonna have a pro day in
these controlled environments with all the variables accounted for, and
somebody's going to talk them into something that's not there
(28:56):
or talk them out of something that very much is
there based on a pro day. And I think sometimes
we've seen this movie play out plenty of times. Sometimes
the film tells you what you need to know, that's all.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
That's all. Yeah, that's right. Sometimes you know, forget about
the underwear Olympics at the combine, right, Yeah, and forget
about the pro day. That's the one thing that is
beautiful about the sport of football is it's the only
sport that cannot be duplicated in an offseason.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
So we try real hard, though, don't we.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
We do. We try really really hard. But like, if
I'm going to go scout a basketball player in the winter,
he's playing in the summer, He's playing the same game.
If I'm evaluating a football player during the season, but
I'm evaluating him in the summer, he's on in pads
and a helmets. He's working different types of things that
lend towards being a better football player, but it's not
(29:53):
the same game.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
It reminds me of a story. There was once this
basketball player called e Gion Leon. He was from China,
and in his pre draft workout, this is great, they
had this chair that they put right at the free
throw line and he was doing these drills with the
chair quote unquote, serving as a defender, right and was
(30:17):
wowing all these scouts with this drill with a chair.
So when he got into the league, the Bucks ended
up taking him in the first round. You know what
his nickname was The chairman, the chairman, and he ended
up being like a top ten pick. I'm looking it
up now, sixth overall, the number six pick in the draft,
(30:40):
had five seasons in the NBA, averaged double digits. Once
underwear Olympics, he was a gold medalist. Yeah, so again,
there's a chairman story for everybody. That's a good note
to end on. Where are you off to this week?
Speaker 2 (30:57):
I am back in Atlanta for the un Blue Devils
taking on Georgia Tech. Coming off of a bye weekend.
How about you?
Speaker 1 (31:04):
We will be at TCU Houston at TCU Cougars have
been shut out in back to back weeks, but they've
got a great coach and Willie Fritz year one day
and he'll he's gonna get that thing right. And TCU
two years removed from playing for the championship, they got
an offense that can put up some points. So Houston's
(31:26):
got a good defense. TCU has got a good offense.
Hopefully it's another good one on Friday night and we
will reconvene next Monday.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Let's steal a pow
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