October 7, 2024 • 32 mins
This week on Weekend Warriors, Anish Shroff and Tom Luginbill recap the Panthers week 5 loss to the Bears, vent about airport influencers, react to all the major upsets in college football, and so much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Tom Lougan Bill and I love one thing. We love
one thing. And I say this with a heavy, heavy,
heavy splash of sarcasm. Influencers and those think.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
That was heavy enough dose. No.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I was at the airport coming to Chicago on Saturday,
and you know those moving walkways they have, sure, I
was behind one of those people who had who had
the phone monopod whatever you call it, that they're holding,
and they're doing this spinny thing in the middle of
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this moving walkway and then getting visibly annoyed when people
who have flights to catch try to pass.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Are you kidding me? Dude? What did you do?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I passed, I did not say excuse me, and I
got an audible.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Are you here? Period? Right now?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
What is the matter with people? And why is everybody
so infatuated with themselves?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
That's a great point, is it? Is it because we're
not getting enough vitamin D, people aren't getting outside enough.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, it's exactly your parents not paying attention to you
enough when you were a child, Like I don't understand
this whole like look at me, watch me, see me,
listen to me, me me, me, me, me, like good lord,
And you know what, it's not just influencers and stuff
like that within the Internet and social media streams. It's
it's trickled into the sports world.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
People we work with sometimes too.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Oh absolutely, absolutely it is, and it's just it's taken
over and I just don't like. My biggest thing is like,
just have an ounce of awareness, Like have some awareness
of either how you're coming off or how your level
of narcissism may be perceived. I mean for crying out, Wow, dude,
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I hope that doesn't happen to me in an airport
I and knowing you, I can't believe you just walked
on by.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Well I had my headphones on and I noticed it,
and there were people in front of me, and I said,
why isn't this moving? Because again it's a moving walkway, right,
you stand on one side and then you walk on
the other. And then I kind of looked over and
I said, oh, it's because you got one of these
yahoos again doing this Spinerama thing, like you're in the
middle of Times Square, look at me. It's oh hare
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by the way, which O hair is probably the closest
replication we have to the seventh Circle of Hell. So
maybe we can put those folks in a special spot
where hey, this is a place. Look, there's selfie sticks,
you know, enjoy hell, but do it on your own.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Time, exactly, do it on your own time, and don't
inspringe on other people.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I'll tell you a story. So this was last summer,
previous summer. We're on vacation. We're on a beach. Okay,
it's the summer. It's the middle of the day. May
have had a cocktail or four. And again it's me,
my wife, our daughter. We're with a couple of our nephews.
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Were watching them and they're just kind of playing on
the beach in the sand, and about I don't know,
fifty yards twenty five yards from us is this woman
with a blanket and has the tripod with the phone
set up and does the thing where they kind of
run out of the water thinking that Ursula Andrews from
Doctor No. Right, but they're doing nine thousand takes and
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zero self awareness, right, go back check it, look at it.
So you know, after again, a couple of cocktails, I
start doing the David Attenborough. Okay, there comes How did
I say it? I said something like, there comes the
female with no self awareness completely in the wild. Oh,
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did we nail the take this time? No, we're gonna
need another take. Oh didn't quite get it this time.
And I think, not realizing that I was probably a
little louder than I thought I was.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
She ended up moving.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
She ended up moving about fifty yards further down. But
but it it cued me in on this. Right, if
you're gonna have zero self awareness, right, and you're going
to do that in public, and shouldn't we then as
just the people who surround you at least have allowance
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to make fun of you while you do it, Like,
isn't that fair? Like you want to do it, you
want to have no self awareness? Then okay, like we
can make fun of you while you're doing it. That
would I think kind of even the stakes a little bit.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Well, yes, and it would create awareness. We would be
giving you your awareness because now you're annoying the heck
out of everybody and we're letting you. You know it.
So maybe a light goes off in your head and
you say, oh, how is this coming off? Maybe you
take a step back inward and do some reflection.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I don't think that will happen, but I you know,
maybe we start that Instagram account, right, yes, calling out
the influencers in the wild, but then we become them
and then the vicious cycle repeats. Let's get to the show,
all right, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
The weekend.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Close to the episode caught Fite Vealin touchdown Carolina Weekend Warriors, big,
big weekend in college football. I said it Friday night
during your broadcast. One of those weeks where there's one
rank versus rank matchup. There's nothing on paper that really
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moves the needle. So of course you're gonna have carnage.
And I want to run through some of these games,
and I want to start with Vanderbilt Alabama and Luke's
I'm gonna give you my two big takeaways from this game. One,
kudos to Clark Lee and his staff for the game plan,
the scheme, and playing with just a total lack of fear.
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They went for it. And I think back to the
Bama South Florida game a few weeks earlier where there
was a moment late in the game where South Florida
had a fourth down, they were in the red zone
and it was sort of one of those tipping points
in the fourth quarter. They were right there with Alabama.
You're thinking maybe they should go for this because you
may not get a better shot to scare Alabama. They
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kicked the field goal, and in Alabama runs away with
the game. Vanderbilt never did that. Even when they had
the lead. They played like they were down two scores
and just went for it, and that put Bama on tilt.
The quarterback, Diego Favia, I thought, played incredible. But I
think if you look at his play, Andy's an improved
team this year. They almost beat Missouri, they went on
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the road, they beat Virginia Tech. I know they had
the loss to Georgia State, but this to me speaks
to the how and the why for Vandy in this upset.
So Diego Favia came from where Pavia, Pavia, Pavia, sorry, Pavia.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
New Mexico State, Okay, juco Before.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
That, his offensive coordinator at New Mexico State was Tim Beck. Correct,
Jerry Kill was on that staff at New Mexico State.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
That was his entire offensive staff. And that they are
all at Vanderbilt.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
All at Vanderbilt. That is not by luck or happenstance
or chance. But to me, that was great recognition by
Clark Lee. We're gonna go into the portal we're going
to get a guy, how about we bring in guys
who know his strengths, who know his weaknesses, and can
scheme up in offense around that to give us a
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chance to win.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
And and if you look at Jerry Kill's history, all
that guy does is win every job he's ever taken.
You can go all the way back to Emporia State
in Kansas, Staginaw Valley, Southern Illinois, Northern Illinois, Minnesota. Every
time he took a job, they were a doormat, and
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by the time he left the job, they were a
consistent winner. And you go to New Mexico State.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
So now you've got Diego Pavia, who has now lifted
too what we would probably call consistent doormats in college football,
being kind too State exactly, New Mexico State and Vanderbilt.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
And not once, but twice has he gone and beaten
an SEC team. Remember New Mexico State beat Auburn last year,
and so now this guy has done it twice. I
could not agree with you more. They schemed up Alabama.
They were doing some stuff in the backfield. There was
actually a couple of things they did in the backfield
I hadn't seen before. And they had Alabama's entire defense headspinning.
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But here's the thing that I think was so remarkable
about this is it wasn't flukish.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
No, not at all. They beat them. They beat them.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
They beat them on that And I'm not saying they
have better players in Alabama. They don't. On that day,
they were the better team. This wasn't a five turnover,
six sacks, give up points in the kicking game performance
by Alabama and Vanderbilt taking advantage of it. This was
Vanderbilt playing ahead, continuing to play, continue to play to
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your point like they're behind, with Alabama scrambling for an answer.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I go back Lukes to something an SEC coach told
me a few years ago, probably about four or five
years ago. We had their game, they had just come
off of playing Alabama, and you know, we just got
into this conversation in our production meeting about what is
it about Alabama and going there and playing them that
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makes it so hard beyond the obvious. We know they
have the five stars and all that, And without blinking
with this very respected SEC coach said, it's Saban and
the Sabin factor. He says, gets into the heads of
our coaches because we know they've got five stars, we
know they have better talent across the board than we do.
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But we also know they're going to be better prepared.
They're going to be schemed up. Those guys are not
just going to show up and say hey, go out
athlete everybody. They have a plan, they're detailed, their process driven,
and he says Saban was kind of this boogieman where
you go into the game and knowing what you know
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about Nick Saban, you already felt home or away. You
were down two scores. And this is not fair to
Kaylin de Boor, because I think Kaylen de bor is
a really good coach. We saw him beat Georgia a
week ago. This was going to be the reality for
anybody who followed Saban at Alabama. The fear factor that
Alabama projected when Nick Saban was there, that's gone. That's gone.
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And again, didn't matter if it was Kaylin de Boor
or if it was Dabo Swing or name your head coach,
whoever it was, this was going to be the reality.
You don't see Saban on the sideline anymore. The boogeyman
is gone. The house is still haunted, but guess what,
it's more of a friendly haunt. Now it's not as haunted, right,
the ghosts are more like tasper.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah, well you don't feel and what you're you're talking
about an intimidation factor and fear of being outclassed from
an ex as and O's standpoint, right, And so now
you don't have that intimidation factor. And that's not to
say that Canaan de Borg can't skiing people up. Of
course he can't. But this was going to happen. Did
anybody think it would happen when they were the number
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one ranked team in the country and they're playing at Vanderbilt? No?
But do you remember do you remember the It might
have been two thousand and seven when Alabama lost or
eight when Alabama lost to ULM Louisian Monroe.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Atx Saban's first season, and I think I think that
was the only non conference home loss that he had
maybe since like the Texas game.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, yeah, no, I think you're right. I think you're right.
And he made a comment after that game, and several
years later he reminded the media that because you have
one bad performance doesn't make you a bad football team.
And his quote it was great. He goes y'all. You
got it.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
You got y'all have had it so good that you
forget when we first got here. We're playing Louisiana Monroe
and they are running through us like you know what,
through a tin horn, and we couldn't stop them.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
We couldn't stop them, And you guys forget that because
things get so good and you get complacedent and you
have expectations, and that's kind of what happened on Saturday.
There were no answers. And here was the thing that
if I'm kan Walmack the defensive coordinator, if I'm Kaitlin Debor,
my biggest concern isn't getting out schemed, isn't getting out coached.
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They were the less physical team and they couldn't tackle. Yep,
those two things would be my biggest concern coming off
of that ballgame. But again, does that performance define them. No,
Now it shapes the conference and the layout because you
know now, you know, Georgia can't afford to lose again.
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Alabama can't afford to lose again. I mean they probably can't.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
But Explain this to me, though, Explain this to me right,
Explain this to me, though, Alabama number one team loses
to Vanderbilt, only drops to seven. Tennessee loses to unranked
Arkansas only drops four spots.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Correct, I know, I know, and I don't. I don't.
I don't get it. I do not understand it, can't
explain it. It's it's odd. I mean, it really is.
And to be honest with you, like that happens. But
we've also sat there and I don't know about you,
but who in their right mind ever thought in any
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week of this season the Missouri was a top ten team.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
No, nobody, nobody, nobody, nobody, Why are they putting them there?
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Right?
Speaker 1 (14:02):
But okay, but but just for a case in point,
Missouri which fell twelve spots after losing to a ranked
Texas A and M team.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
On the road.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I know, I just again, I'm just trying to figure
out the logic here, right, It's like.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
They knew, they knew they had Missouri over ranked. This
was their course correction. Well, if you know that stopped
putting them in there.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I'm just trying to figure right how Alabama I get it.
They got the Georgia win, it's a great win. But
you lose to Vanderbilt, it's still Vandy and you go
from one to seven. Missouri loses on the road.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
To A and M.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Who is again I'm not, you know, completely sold on
Texas A and M, but A and M. That's one
of the hardest places to play in the country. Sure,
and they tumble from nine to twenty one. The apople like,
I'm just trying to figure that out. Tennessee loses on
the road to unranked Arkansas goes from four to eight.
Let's get into that Tennessee Arkansas game, because I kind
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of peg this is. This could be a trouble spot
you're on the road. Arkansas plays that again physical old
school brand of football called Big ten brand of football.
And when they're able to chew up clock run the football.
We've seen this time and again when you have tempo
offenses like Tennessee, you get their mojo a little out
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of whack when they don't have the ball. And now
even if they scorn, it's one of those quick drives.
Now the defenses back out on the field. It seemed
like Arkansas, if they could play from ahead and keep
this within striking distance, would have a chance. They did that,
and I'll be honest, I still think Tennessee is a
player in all this because they are so much improved
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these last two years on the defensive side. But I
thought Arkansas had the right game plan, And to me,
that's a matchup where those finesse teams sometimes struggle with.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I think that you just hit the nail on the
head in terms of how they got slowed down. I
thought Arkansas was the more physical team beat them up
up front. Because what Tennessee does, and it's a great
plan and a lot of people are utilizing it. So
if you've ever watched them, pay close attention to how
wide their wide receiver splits are. They're going to use
every square inch of the fifty three and a third
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yards of that football field. And the reason why they
do it is they know that you cannot stop the
run with the light box. But you also got to
be very careful because if everybody spread out, you're gonna
give up one on one big plays in the passing game. Well,
Tennessee wants to run the football. They couldn't run the
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football to the level that they have become accustomed to,
and there were no deep vertical shots. Nico was seventeen
of twenty nine for only one hundred and fifty something yards. Yeah,
not three hundred and fifty something yards. So all those
explosive plays that they've become so accustomed beginning evaporated. You're
on the road. Arkansas is just continuing to just plug
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away at them. And I'll tell you what I know.
I know Taylor Green got injured. That might be one
of the most underrated quarterbacks in college football. He is
really good.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yeah, played really well too. A couple of games that
I want to get into. One was the game, I'll
be honest. Yeah, we had the Panthers game the next
day in Chicago. I was staying up, probably a little
past where I should have gone to bed, to watch
Miami Cal third quarter war.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I'm sick of it. Did stay until three thirty in
the morning. Well, okay, we watch the entire thing.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
So I turned it off when cam Ward threw the
pick six, and I go, okay, Cal's gonna win this game.
And then I watched the highlights the next day. Fourth quarter,
you watch the full game what happened.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
So, for some reason, somehow, some way, Mario Cristobal lit
a fire under the ass of his offensive line because
it was a tale of two halves when it came
to protecting the quarterback for Miami. That was the first
time I've seen cam Ward off schedule, off platform, frustrated
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on the ground a lot, getting dinged up, bounced around
and and and they couldn't they couldn't get any form
of rhythm, and they were just they were out of sync.
And then something happened, like midway through the third quarter,
the defense started to get a couple of three and outs,
but offensively, all of a sudden, it was a clean pocket.
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It was like two different fronts, Col's defensive front and
Miami's offensive front. It was two different games being played
in two different halves. It was. It was the craziest
thing in the world. So they got them down by
twenty five. Now, let's let's call this what this is.
I actually think Cal's a pretty good football team. But
they choked this thing bad because they weren't. That wasn't
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fluky either, what they were doing in Miami. They were
beating Miami up. But and and you got to you
gotta blame cow for blowing this thing. But two weeks
in a row, Niche and you had the first one. Yeah,
one of the most egregious non overturned targeting calls I had. Yeah,
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I have ever seen in my entire life occurred in
that game with about a minute forty four to go,
which would have given how the ball with Miami would
have had three timeouts, so they would have forced Miami
to use their timeout. They probably would have been able
to hold on to it for a minute, punted away,
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and likely come out of the game with a win. Now,
did they deserve to lose the game the way they
played in the second half, Absolutely, but they did not
deserve the officiating that occurred on that call. That was
so bad. And I can't believe now that the league's
not doing more about this, not addressing this, not just
privately but publicly.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Yeah, and again, all the conspiracy theorists out there, it
just gives them, Yeah, it just gives them more ammunition
because you know, the reality is right now, the ACC
needs Miami, all right. Miami is the ACC's best bet.
It's the loan, unbeaten team in the conference. It's the
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highest ranked team in the conference. It's you know, playoff
first round by not to say that.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
You know of these, Okay, so let me add one
to that. Remember SMU does not play Clemson in Miami
in the regular season, and they just beat Louisville on
the road.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Right, and you're probably looking at Miami and saying, okay,
if they're undefeated, even if they lose in the ACC
championship game, that still puts them in position to get
an at large berth in the new twelve team playoff,
no question.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I think if the let's just say, if if in
the ACC Clemson and Miami played for the championship, Clemson
beats them, they're both going right.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Now if Miami wins the league, unless Clemson probably wins
out and maybe plays Miami close, goes eleven and one
or SMU goes eleven and one. I mean, that's probably
your best bet for multiple teams right now. However, I
will say this again, when Alabama loses to Vanderbilt and
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Tennessee goes on the road and loses to Arkansas, you know,
the the mighty SEC and the propaganda machine can be
strong at times. Yeah, I'm not so sure that's a
five bid league either. I think it's a very good league.
I don't think it's a five bid league.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
And I don't think we've seen the best versus best yet.
We've only seen so far, we have only seen Alabama
and Georgia, Oklahoma, Tennessee. Right, where do we start seeing Georgia, Texas?
Where do we start seeing Georgia Old miss? Why do
we start seeing Alabama? Old miss? Where do we start seeing? Uh? Texas?
Speaker 3 (21:48):
And who else they got?
Speaker 2 (21:49):
They got another big company?
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Still plays?
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Georgia still plays. So yeah, so that stuff's all gonna
unfold over the next six to seven weeks, and then
it's gonna it's gonna start to get really really interesting.
You know, one other note too, on all of these upsets,
it was just a great weekend of college football. Do
you know what the common denominator of all of them was?
There's one common denominator, and it's pretty fascinating.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (22:12):
So you've got? You got bandy upsets? Alabama, Washington upsets Michigan,
Arkansas upsets.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Tennessee, USC lost in Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
USC lost to Minnesota. That's for a missing one? Who
else am I missing? Did we have another one? That?
Do we have another? Big day?
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Count A and M beating Missouri?
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Uh? Yeah, I guess you can count a name beading Missouri?
So well? Actually yes, you uh yeah, you would have?
Wait was Missouri favorite?
Speaker 1 (22:38):
And I'm not sure if Missouri was favored in that name,
So let's not count that one.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
The other one.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
I guess UNLV on Friday that was a top twenty
five upset.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
But okay, so there's five. There's five. Okay, so there's
five right there. All five of those teams that upset
the other team are playing with first year transfer portal quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yeah yeah, did you say.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah? Yeah? No, no, no, no, was Louisville was favored
in that right one? Okay? So yeah, so SMU wouldn't
be one. Then that's SMU wouldn't be one. So that's
five to six. Then five to six. So you've got
Commacord at Syracuse, Max Brosmer at Minnesota. You've got Will
Rogers at Washington, Taylor Green at Arkansas, and Diego Pavia
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at Vanderbilt. But the thing about them all is they
were all highly productive players at the places they were
at before, like they weren't just young transfer guys. And then,
and I think that's it. It goes to show you
if you make the right choice in the transfer portal
at that position, and you look at a team like
Florida State that did not, and then all of a sudden,
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you look over here and you see Pitt playing with
Eli Holstein, who just tied Dan Marino for the only
other quarterback in history to start off five and zero.
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
We're gonna pivot to the NFL Draft for a moment
because I want to squash this, you know, Panther Nation.
I get it one and four, and Sunday didn't go
as well in Chicago. Andy Dalton didn't have his best
day after two pretty good starts. Oh, Bryce Young comes
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in late. And I remember this narrative a couple of
years ago when Matt Rule was let go and Steve
Wilkes took over, and all people saying, well, you know,
this season doesn't matter, and you know you just want
to get the high draft pick, and it's all about
getting the high draft pick. Well, okay, let's say they
got the number one pick the next year. All that
means is they don't trade you know, DJ Moore and
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some of these guys to go move up to number one.
But they're still probably taking Bryce Young, right, you still
have those other picks at the end of the day.
I've always felt, you know, where you draft gets overblown.
Producer Matt you know, found out and looked it up
for US, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes. They weren't the first
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quarterback taken in the draft. Lamar Jackson was taken with
the very last pick in round one.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Sure you have Jordan Loves Jordan, Yeah. I mean you
go on and on and on, and Matt Ryan.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
And so this idea like you need a top five pick,
you need a top three pick. We've seen the forty
nine ers built a build a dynasty in the eighties.
By you grew up on the West Coast, all they
did was trade down. They traded down and they stockpiled
more assets. And it's not about where you draft, it's
about how you draft. And I think if the Panthers
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go back, you look at the twenty twenty three draft
right Bryce Young is currently sitting on the bench. Jonathan
Mingo has been inconsistent. DJ Johnson has yet to really produce.
He's been inconsistent. Chandler Zavalla backup guard struggled as a rookie,
played okay last week when he got his first start
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of the season. I mean, Robinson's a special team or
the draft class before that, outside of Ikey really nobody
doing anything in that draft class. Some guys aren't even
on the team. So yeah, it's not where you draft,
it's who you draft and how you draft. And when
I look at teams like the Ravens, the forty nine ers,
and you know, there's a few franchises they're constantly picking
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mid to late first round, but they're finding guys in
round two, round three, round four. And again, I don't
think in an NFL locker room, tanking even exists. I
think it's a myth. I think it's a myth for
guys who realize this is a business and if you
will lose and you're not playing well or you're mailing
it in, guess what, you may not get a next job.
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And now you're twenty seven years old, twenty eight years
old and your football career is over, and word.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Gets around quickly when that comes to individual players, I
totally agree with you. I think it's complete and utter myth.
I'll say another thing about the draft too, and I
think this is really important is oftentimes there is such
focus on the physical attributes, right, and the overall talent
and whether that might be measurable height, weight, speed, hand
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side armlike all those sorts of things, and they're all
critical factors and they all matter. I get that, but
I think there's two things that you have to do
above and beyond everything else to be right as often
as you can. Number one, ask yourself this question and
unearth this answer from everybody you can. Does this player
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love football? Not like football? Does this player love for
if you took it away from him tomorrow? Would he
go jump off of a bridge? And number two, you
have to find out from everybody what type of human
you are getting. You need to talk and they do this,
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but you need to put so much emphasis on the
high school principle. The equipment manager. How does this guy
treat an athletic trainer when he goes into the training room.
What are his work habits in the weight room and
in the off season? How has he been in the classroom?
How does he treat people? Like? All of these things
that have absolutely nothing to do with physical attributes are
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almost always going to be the determining factor on whether
or not a guy pans out. And you know what,
that's not just in the NFL draft. That's in high
school football recruiting. When guys miss it ain't because they're
not talented enough. They're all talented enough. It's some other variable.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
That's a great point. And it's high school, it's college.
We hear coaches talk about culture, and they talk about
it so much that I think it's almost become background
noise for a lot of people in the media as fans. Yeah,
you're a culture. We're building a culture.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
We get it.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
You're new, you're building a culture. The reality is, and
you've been in there, and guys I've talked to they'll
say it. The locker room is a living, breathing organism.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
And you've heard. There's the old Native American story right
of the grandfather telling his son, how you know, there's
a battle going on in the soul of every person.
On one side, there's two wolves fighting, and on one
side it's you know, the wolf who's about love and
empathy and sharing and kindness, and on the other one,
it's the one about selfishness and loathing and narcissism and
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all these things. And the kid finally asks his grandfather, well,
which one wins, and the grandfather says, the one you
feed exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
It's exactly right. And I'll tell you one thing about
a locker room. It doesn't take fifteen guys to bring
one down.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
It can just take a handful, right, Yeah, you feed
the wrong handful. Yep, they become the alphas in that place.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah, I had a coach. I had a coach one time.
The way he put it, it was actually funny. He goes,
he goes, it's like pac Man, he goes. If pac
Man's roaming along and all of the other players, but
pac Man's the bad guy. It doesn't matter how many
of those other players you have. But if pac Man
is a good guy and he's rolling around, he's consuming
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the bad guys. Yeah, and and it's and it's so true,
and it doesn't it doesn't take many like I said,
and and I you know I I'll be the first
one to say, like my experience in college at Georgia
Tech on a bad, bad football team. We were not
that bad of a football team, but we did not
have great people. We did not have great people, and
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that played a huge role in all that.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
All right, We wanted to get into Luke's look back
this week, but run out of time here. We'll push
it to next week. We'll push it to next week.
We had a lot to talk about today, so I think, uh,
the lesson here.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Is for you. Okay show, and I think your wife's
gonna love this, all right, go for a short short.
It's it's romantic comedy. And I got talked into it
by my mother, of all people, and she's like, you
have to watch this, Tommy, you have to watch this.
So it's a it's a new show on Netflix with
Adam Brody and Kristen Bell called Nobody Wants This? Okay,
(31:15):
and just check it out. The first episode is like
twenty six minutes, so it's very, very quick and you
get into it quickly. But it's funny, it's amusing, and
I think it's got some legs. And I'm more generally
more of a I mean, I like romantic comedies and everything,
but I usually gravitate towards you know, crime or mystery
or scary or ghosts or whatever it is. This is
(31:36):
really good. Your wife will love it. So you got
to give it to her so that if you don't
watch it, she can give you the report card.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
All right, give it to the people again. What's it called?
And where can they find it?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Okay, you don't want this on Netflix with Kristin Bell
and Adam Brody? All right?
Speaker 1 (31:52):
So I did? Was that a tough feeling. You watch
the show, you liked it, and you go, my mother
was right, dang it.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Oh. I literally I sent her a text. I said,
I'm two episodes in. You got me.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
All right? So there you go. You got a new show.
We'll have a new show for you next Monday. Like subscribe,
download rate, all the things the influencers talk about.
Tom Lougan Bill and I love one thing. We love
one thing. And I say this with a heavy, heavy,
heavy splash of sarcasm. Influencers and those think.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
That was heavy enough dose. No.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I was at the airport coming to Chicago on Saturday,
and you know those moving walkways they have, sure, I
was behind one of those people who had who had
the phone monopod whatever you call it, that they're holding,
and they're doing this spinny thing in the middle of
(00:40):
this moving walkway and then getting visibly annoyed when people
who have flights to catch try to pass.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Are you kidding me? Dude? What did you do?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I passed, I did not say excuse me, and I
got an audible.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Are you here? Period? Right now?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
What is the matter with people? And why is everybody
so infatuated with themselves?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
That's a great point, is it? Is it because we're
not getting enough vitamin D, people aren't getting outside enough.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, it's exactly your parents not paying attention to you
enough when you were a child, Like I don't understand
this whole like look at me, watch me, see me,
listen to me, me me, me, me, me, like good lord,
And you know what, it's not just influencers and stuff
like that within the Internet and social media streams. It's
it's trickled into the sports world.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
People we work with sometimes too.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Oh absolutely, absolutely it is, and it's just it's taken
over and I just don't like. My biggest thing is like,
just have an ounce of awareness, Like have some awareness
of either how you're coming off or how your level
of narcissism may be perceived. I mean for crying out, Wow, dude,
(02:02):
I hope that doesn't happen to me in an airport
I and knowing you, I can't believe you just walked
on by.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Well I had my headphones on and I noticed it,
and there were people in front of me, and I said,
why isn't this moving? Because again it's a moving walkway, right,
you stand on one side and then you walk on
the other. And then I kind of looked over and
I said, oh, it's because you got one of these
yahoos again doing this Spinerama thing, like you're in the
middle of Times Square, look at me. It's oh hare
(02:31):
by the way, which O hair is probably the closest
replication we have to the seventh Circle of Hell. So
maybe we can put those folks in a special spot
where hey, this is a place. Look, there's selfie sticks,
you know, enjoy hell, but do it on your own.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Time, exactly, do it on your own time, and don't
inspringe on other people.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I'll tell you a story. So this was last summer,
previous summer. We're on vacation. We're on a beach. Okay,
it's the summer. It's the middle of the day. May
have had a cocktail or four. And again it's me,
my wife, our daughter. We're with a couple of our nephews.
(03:16):
Were watching them and they're just kind of playing on
the beach in the sand, and about I don't know,
fifty yards twenty five yards from us is this woman
with a blanket and has the tripod with the phone
set up and does the thing where they kind of
run out of the water thinking that Ursula Andrews from
Doctor No. Right, but they're doing nine thousand takes and
(03:39):
zero self awareness, right, go back check it, look at it.
So you know, after again, a couple of cocktails, I
start doing the David Attenborough. Okay, there comes How did
I say it? I said something like, there comes the
female with no self awareness completely in the wild. Oh,
(04:03):
did we nail the take this time? No, we're gonna
need another take. Oh didn't quite get it this time.
And I think, not realizing that I was probably a
little louder than I thought I was.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
She ended up moving.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
She ended up moving about fifty yards further down. But
but it it cued me in on this. Right, if
you're gonna have zero self awareness, right, and you're going
to do that in public, and shouldn't we then as
just the people who surround you at least have allowance
(04:36):
to make fun of you while you do it, Like,
isn't that fair? Like you want to do it, you
want to have no self awareness? Then okay, like we
can make fun of you while you're doing it. That
would I think kind of even the stakes a little bit.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Well, yes, and it would create awareness. We would be
giving you your awareness because now you're annoying the heck
out of everybody and we're letting you. You know it.
So maybe a light goes off in your head and
you say, oh, how is this coming off? Maybe you
take a step back inward and do some reflection.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I don't think that will happen, but I you know,
maybe we start that Instagram account, right, yes, calling out
the influencers in the wild, but then we become them
and then the vicious cycle repeats. Let's get to the show,
all right, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
The weekend.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Close to the episode caught Fite Vealin touchdown Carolina Weekend Warriors, big,
big weekend in college football. I said it Friday night
during your broadcast. One of those weeks where there's one
rank versus rank matchup. There's nothing on paper that really
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moves the needle. So of course you're gonna have carnage.
And I want to run through some of these games,
and I want to start with Vanderbilt Alabama and Luke's
I'm gonna give you my two big takeaways from this game. One,
kudos to Clark Lee and his staff for the game plan,
the scheme, and playing with just a total lack of fear.
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They went for it. And I think back to the
Bama South Florida game a few weeks earlier where there
was a moment late in the game where South Florida
had a fourth down, they were in the red zone
and it was sort of one of those tipping points
in the fourth quarter. They were right there with Alabama.
You're thinking maybe they should go for this because you
may not get a better shot to scare Alabama. They
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kicked the field goal, and in Alabama runs away with
the game. Vanderbilt never did that. Even when they had
the lead. They played like they were down two scores
and just went for it, and that put Bama on tilt.
The quarterback, Diego Favia, I thought, played incredible. But I
think if you look at his play, Andy's an improved
team this year. They almost beat Missouri, they went on
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the road, they beat Virginia Tech. I know they had
the loss to Georgia State, but this to me speaks
to the how and the why for Vandy in this upset.
So Diego Favia came from where Pavia, Pavia, Pavia, sorry, Pavia.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
New Mexico State, Okay, juco Before.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
That, his offensive coordinator at New Mexico State was Tim Beck. Correct,
Jerry Kill was on that staff at New Mexico State.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
That was his entire offensive staff. And that they are
all at Vanderbilt.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
All at Vanderbilt. That is not by luck or happenstance
or chance. But to me, that was great recognition by
Clark Lee. We're gonna go into the portal we're going
to get a guy, how about we bring in guys
who know his strengths, who know his weaknesses, and can
scheme up in offense around that to give us a
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chance to win.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
And and if you look at Jerry Kill's history, all
that guy does is win every job he's ever taken.
You can go all the way back to Emporia State
in Kansas, Staginaw Valley, Southern Illinois, Northern Illinois, Minnesota. Every
time he took a job, they were a doormat, and
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by the time he left the job, they were a
consistent winner. And you go to New Mexico State.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
So now you've got Diego Pavia, who has now lifted
too what we would probably call consistent doormats in college football,
being kind too State exactly, New Mexico State and Vanderbilt.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
And not once, but twice has he gone and beaten
an SEC team. Remember New Mexico State beat Auburn last year,
and so now this guy has done it twice. I
could not agree with you more. They schemed up Alabama.
They were doing some stuff in the backfield. There was
actually a couple of things they did in the backfield
I hadn't seen before. And they had Alabama's entire defense headspinning.
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But here's the thing that I think was so remarkable
about this is it wasn't flukish.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
No, not at all. They beat them. They beat them.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
They beat them on that And I'm not saying they
have better players in Alabama. They don't. On that day,
they were the better team. This wasn't a five turnover,
six sacks, give up points in the kicking game performance
by Alabama and Vanderbilt taking advantage of it. This was
Vanderbilt playing ahead, continuing to play, continue to play to
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your point like they're behind, with Alabama scrambling for an answer.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I go back Lukes to something an SEC coach told
me a few years ago, probably about four or five
years ago. We had their game, they had just come
off of playing Alabama, and you know, we just got
into this conversation in our production meeting about what is
it about Alabama and going there and playing them that
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makes it so hard beyond the obvious. We know they
have the five stars and all that, And without blinking
with this very respected SEC coach said, it's Saban and
the Sabin factor. He says, gets into the heads of
our coaches because we know they've got five stars, we
know they have better talent across the board than we do.
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But we also know they're going to be better prepared.
They're going to be schemed up. Those guys are not
just going to show up and say hey, go out
athlete everybody. They have a plan, they're detailed, their process driven,
and he says Saban was kind of this boogieman where
you go into the game and knowing what you know
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about Nick Saban, you already felt home or away. You
were down two scores. And this is not fair to
Kaylin de Boor, because I think Kaylen de bor is
a really good coach. We saw him beat Georgia a
week ago. This was going to be the reality for
anybody who followed Saban at Alabama. The fear factor that
Alabama projected when Nick Saban was there, that's gone. That's gone.
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And again, didn't matter if it was Kaylin de Boor
or if it was Dabo Swing or name your head coach,
whoever it was, this was going to be the reality.
You don't see Saban on the sideline anymore. The boogeyman
is gone. The house is still haunted, but guess what,
it's more of a friendly haunt. Now it's not as haunted, right,
the ghosts are more like tasper.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah, well you don't feel and what you're you're talking
about an intimidation factor and fear of being outclassed from
an ex as and O's standpoint, right, And so now
you don't have that intimidation factor. And that's not to
say that Canaan de Borg can't skiing people up. Of
course he can't. But this was going to happen. Did
anybody think it would happen when they were the number
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one ranked team in the country and they're playing at Vanderbilt? No?
But do you remember do you remember the It might
have been two thousand and seven when Alabama lost or
eight when Alabama lost to ULM Louisian Monroe.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Atx Saban's first season, and I think I think that
was the only non conference home loss that he had
maybe since like the Texas game.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, yeah, no, I think you're right. I think you're right.
And he made a comment after that game, and several
years later he reminded the media that because you have
one bad performance doesn't make you a bad football team.
And his quote it was great. He goes y'all. You
got it.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
You got y'all have had it so good that you
forget when we first got here. We're playing Louisiana Monroe
and they are running through us like you know what,
through a tin horn, and we couldn't stop them.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
We couldn't stop them, And you guys forget that because
things get so good and you get complacedent and you
have expectations, and that's kind of what happened on Saturday.
There were no answers. And here was the thing that
if I'm kan Walmack the defensive coordinator, if I'm Kaitlin Debor,
my biggest concern isn't getting out schemed, isn't getting out coached.
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They were the less physical team and they couldn't tackle. Yep,
those two things would be my biggest concern coming off
of that ballgame. But again, does that performance define them. No,
Now it shapes the conference and the layout because you
know now, you know, Georgia can't afford to lose again.
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Alabama can't afford to lose again. I mean they probably can't.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
But Explain this to me, though, Explain this to me right,
Explain this to me, though, Alabama number one team loses
to Vanderbilt, only drops to seven. Tennessee loses to unranked
Arkansas only drops four spots.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Correct, I know, I know, and I don't. I don't.
I don't get it. I do not understand it, can't
explain it. It's it's odd. I mean, it really is.
And to be honest with you, like that happens. But
we've also sat there and I don't know about you,
but who in their right mind ever thought in any
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week of this season the Missouri was a top ten team.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
No, nobody, nobody, nobody, nobody, Why are they putting them there?
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Right?
Speaker 1 (14:02):
But okay, but but just for a case in point,
Missouri which fell twelve spots after losing to a ranked
Texas A and M team.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
On the road.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I know, I just again, I'm just trying to figure
out the logic here, right, It's like.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
They knew, they knew they had Missouri over ranked. This
was their course correction. Well, if you know that stopped
putting them in there.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I'm just trying to figure right how Alabama I get it.
They got the Georgia win, it's a great win. But
you lose to Vanderbilt, it's still Vandy and you go
from one to seven. Missouri loses on the road.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
To A and M.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Who is again I'm not, you know, completely sold on
Texas A and M, but A and M. That's one
of the hardest places to play in the country. Sure,
and they tumble from nine to twenty one. The apople like,
I'm just trying to figure that out. Tennessee loses on
the road to unranked Arkansas goes from four to eight.
Let's get into that Tennessee Arkansas game, because I kind
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of peg this is. This could be a trouble spot
you're on the road. Arkansas plays that again physical old
school brand of football called Big ten brand of football.
And when they're able to chew up clock run the football.
We've seen this time and again when you have tempo
offenses like Tennessee, you get their mojo a little out
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of whack when they don't have the ball. And now
even if they scorn, it's one of those quick drives.
Now the defenses back out on the field. It seemed
like Arkansas, if they could play from ahead and keep
this within striking distance, would have a chance. They did that,
and I'll be honest, I still think Tennessee is a
player in all this because they are so much improved
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these last two years on the defensive side. But I
thought Arkansas had the right game plan, And to me,
that's a matchup where those finesse teams sometimes struggle with.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I think that you just hit the nail on the
head in terms of how they got slowed down. I
thought Arkansas was the more physical team beat them up
up front. Because what Tennessee does, and it's a great
plan and a lot of people are utilizing it. So
if you've ever watched them, pay close attention to how
wide their wide receiver splits are. They're going to use
every square inch of the fifty three and a third
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yards of that football field. And the reason why they
do it is they know that you cannot stop the
run with the light box. But you also got to
be very careful because if everybody spread out, you're gonna
give up one on one big plays in the passing game. Well,
Tennessee wants to run the football. They couldn't run the
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football to the level that they have become accustomed to,
and there were no deep vertical shots. Nico was seventeen
of twenty nine for only one hundred and fifty something yards. Yeah,
not three hundred and fifty something yards. So all those
explosive plays that they've become so accustomed beginning evaporated. You're
on the road. Arkansas is just continuing to just plug
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away at them. And I'll tell you what I know.
I know Taylor Green got injured. That might be one
of the most underrated quarterbacks in college football. He is
really good.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yeah, played really well too. A couple of games that
I want to get into. One was the game, I'll
be honest. Yeah, we had the Panthers game the next
day in Chicago. I was staying up, probably a little
past where I should have gone to bed, to watch
Miami Cal third quarter war.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I'm sick of it. Did stay until three thirty in
the morning. Well, okay, we watch the entire thing.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
So I turned it off when cam Ward threw the
pick six, and I go, okay, Cal's gonna win this game.
And then I watched the highlights the next day. Fourth quarter,
you watch the full game what happened.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
So, for some reason, somehow, some way, Mario Cristobal lit
a fire under the ass of his offensive line because
it was a tale of two halves when it came
to protecting the quarterback for Miami. That was the first
time I've seen cam Ward off schedule, off platform, frustrated
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on the ground a lot, getting dinged up, bounced around
and and and they couldn't they couldn't get any form
of rhythm, and they were just they were out of sync.
And then something happened, like midway through the third quarter,
the defense started to get a couple of three and outs,
but offensively, all of a sudden, it was a clean pocket.
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It was like two different fronts, Col's defensive front and
Miami's offensive front. It was two different games being played
in two different halves. It was. It was the craziest
thing in the world. So they got them down by
twenty five. Now, let's let's call this what this is.
I actually think Cal's a pretty good football team. But
they choked this thing bad because they weren't. That wasn't
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fluky either, what they were doing in Miami. They were
beating Miami up. But and and you got to you
gotta blame cow for blowing this thing. But two weeks
in a row, Niche and you had the first one. Yeah,
one of the most egregious non overturned targeting calls I had. Yeah,
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I have ever seen in my entire life occurred in
that game with about a minute forty four to go,
which would have given how the ball with Miami would
have had three timeouts, so they would have forced Miami
to use their timeout. They probably would have been able
to hold on to it for a minute, punted away,
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and likely come out of the game with a win. Now,
did they deserve to lose the game the way they
played in the second half, Absolutely, but they did not
deserve the officiating that occurred on that call. That was
so bad. And I can't believe now that the league's
not doing more about this, not addressing this, not just
privately but publicly.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Yeah, and again, all the conspiracy theorists out there, it
just gives them, Yeah, it just gives them more ammunition
because you know, the reality is right now, the ACC
needs Miami, all right. Miami is the ACC's best bet.
It's the loan, unbeaten team in the conference. It's the
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highest ranked team in the conference. It's you know, playoff
first round by not to say that.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
You know of these, Okay, so let me add one
to that. Remember SMU does not play Clemson in Miami
in the regular season, and they just beat Louisville on
the road.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Right, and you're probably looking at Miami and saying, okay,
if they're undefeated, even if they lose in the ACC
championship game, that still puts them in position to get
an at large berth in the new twelve team playoff,
no question.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I think if the let's just say, if if in
the ACC Clemson and Miami played for the championship, Clemson
beats them, they're both going right.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Now if Miami wins the league, unless Clemson probably wins
out and maybe plays Miami close, goes eleven and one
or SMU goes eleven and one. I mean, that's probably
your best bet for multiple teams right now. However, I
will say this again, when Alabama loses to Vanderbilt and
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Tennessee goes on the road and loses to Arkansas, you know,
the the mighty SEC and the propaganda machine can be
strong at times. Yeah, I'm not so sure that's a
five bid league either. I think it's a very good league.
I don't think it's a five bid league.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
And I don't think we've seen the best versus best yet.
We've only seen so far, we have only seen Alabama
and Georgia, Oklahoma, Tennessee. Right, where do we start seeing Georgia, Texas?
Where do we start seeing Georgia Old miss? Why do
we start seeing Alabama? Old miss? Where do we start seeing? Uh? Texas?
Speaker 3 (21:48):
And who else they got?
Speaker 2 (21:49):
They got another big company?
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Still plays?
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Georgia still plays. So yeah, so that stuff's all gonna
unfold over the next six to seven weeks, and then
it's gonna it's gonna start to get really really interesting.
You know, one other note too, on all of these upsets,
it was just a great weekend of college football. Do
you know what the common denominator of all of them was?
There's one common denominator, and it's pretty fascinating.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (22:12):
So you've got? You got bandy upsets? Alabama, Washington upsets Michigan,
Arkansas upsets.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Tennessee, USC lost in Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
USC lost to Minnesota. That's for a missing one? Who
else am I missing? Did we have another one? That?
Do we have another? Big day?
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Count A and M beating Missouri?
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Uh? Yeah, I guess you can count a name beading Missouri?
So well? Actually yes, you uh yeah, you would have?
Wait was Missouri favorite?
Speaker 1 (22:38):
And I'm not sure if Missouri was favored in that name,
So let's not count that one.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
The other one.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
I guess UNLV on Friday that was a top twenty
five upset.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
But okay, so there's five. There's five. Okay, so there's
five right there. All five of those teams that upset
the other team are playing with first year transfer portal quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yeah yeah, did you say.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah? Yeah? No, no, no, no, was Louisville was favored
in that right one? Okay? So yeah, so SMU wouldn't
be one. Then that's SMU wouldn't be one. So that's
five to six. Then five to six. So you've got
Commacord at Syracuse, Max Brosmer at Minnesota. You've got Will
Rogers at Washington, Taylor Green at Arkansas, and Diego Pavia
(23:25):
at Vanderbilt. But the thing about them all is they
were all highly productive players at the places they were
at before, like they weren't just young transfer guys. And then,
and I think that's it. It goes to show you
if you make the right choice in the transfer portal
at that position, and you look at a team like
Florida State that did not, and then all of a sudden,
(23:47):
you look over here and you see Pitt playing with
Eli Holstein, who just tied Dan Marino for the only
other quarterback in history to start off five and zero.
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
We're gonna pivot to the NFL Draft for a moment
because I want to squash this, you know, Panther Nation.
I get it one and four, and Sunday didn't go
as well in Chicago. Andy Dalton didn't have his best
day after two pretty good starts. Oh, Bryce Young comes
(24:19):
in late. And I remember this narrative a couple of
years ago when Matt Rule was let go and Steve
Wilkes took over, and all people saying, well, you know,
this season doesn't matter, and you know you just want
to get the high draft pick, and it's all about
getting the high draft pick. Well, okay, let's say they
got the number one pick the next year. All that
means is they don't trade you know, DJ Moore and
(24:40):
some of these guys to go move up to number one.
But they're still probably taking Bryce Young, right, you still
have those other picks at the end of the day.
I've always felt, you know, where you draft gets overblown.
Producer Matt you know, found out and looked it up
for US, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes. They weren't the first
(25:04):
quarterback taken in the draft. Lamar Jackson was taken with
the very last pick in round one.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Sure you have Jordan Loves Jordan, Yeah. I mean you
go on and on and on, and Matt Ryan.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
And so this idea like you need a top five pick,
you need a top three pick. We've seen the forty
nine ers built a build a dynasty in the eighties.
By you grew up on the West Coast, all they
did was trade down. They traded down and they stockpiled
more assets. And it's not about where you draft, it's
about how you draft. And I think if the Panthers
(25:37):
go back, you look at the twenty twenty three draft
right Bryce Young is currently sitting on the bench. Jonathan
Mingo has been inconsistent. DJ Johnson has yet to really produce.
He's been inconsistent. Chandler Zavalla backup guard struggled as a rookie,
played okay last week when he got his first start
(25:58):
of the season. I mean, Robinson's a special team or
the draft class before that, outside of Ikey really nobody
doing anything in that draft class. Some guys aren't even
on the team. So yeah, it's not where you draft,
it's who you draft and how you draft. And when
I look at teams like the Ravens, the forty nine ers,
and you know, there's a few franchises they're constantly picking
(26:21):
mid to late first round, but they're finding guys in
round two, round three, round four. And again, I don't
think in an NFL locker room, tanking even exists. I
think it's a myth. I think it's a myth for
guys who realize this is a business and if you
will lose and you're not playing well or you're mailing
it in, guess what, you may not get a next job.
(26:43):
And now you're twenty seven years old, twenty eight years
old and your football career is over, and word.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Gets around quickly when that comes to individual players, I
totally agree with you. I think it's complete and utter myth.
I'll say another thing about the draft too, and I
think this is really important is oftentimes there is such
focus on the physical attributes, right, and the overall talent
and whether that might be measurable height, weight, speed, hand
(27:12):
side armlike all those sorts of things, and they're all
critical factors and they all matter. I get that, but
I think there's two things that you have to do
above and beyond everything else to be right as often
as you can. Number one, ask yourself this question and
unearth this answer from everybody you can. Does this player
(27:32):
love football? Not like football? Does this player love for
if you took it away from him tomorrow? Would he
go jump off of a bridge? And number two, you
have to find out from everybody what type of human
you are getting. You need to talk and they do this,
(27:53):
but you need to put so much emphasis on the
high school principle. The equipment manager. How does this guy
treat an athletic trainer when he goes into the training room.
What are his work habits in the weight room and
in the off season? How has he been in the classroom?
How does he treat people? Like? All of these things
that have absolutely nothing to do with physical attributes are
(28:17):
almost always going to be the determining factor on whether
or not a guy pans out. And you know what,
that's not just in the NFL draft. That's in high
school football recruiting. When guys miss it ain't because they're
not talented enough. They're all talented enough. It's some other variable.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
That's a great point. And it's high school, it's college.
We hear coaches talk about culture, and they talk about
it so much that I think it's almost become background
noise for a lot of people in the media as fans. Yeah,
you're a culture. We're building a culture.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
We get it.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
You're new, you're building a culture. The reality is, and
you've been in there, and guys I've talked to they'll
say it. The locker room is a living, breathing organism.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
And you've heard. There's the old Native American story right
of the grandfather telling his son, how you know, there's
a battle going on in the soul of every person.
On one side, there's two wolves fighting, and on one
side it's you know, the wolf who's about love and
empathy and sharing and kindness, and on the other one,
it's the one about selfishness and loathing and narcissism and
(29:25):
all these things. And the kid finally asks his grandfather, well,
which one wins, and the grandfather says, the one you
feed exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
It's exactly right. And I'll tell you one thing about
a locker room. It doesn't take fifteen guys to bring
one down.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
It can just take a handful, right, Yeah, you feed
the wrong handful. Yep, they become the alphas in that place.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah, I had a coach. I had a coach one time.
The way he put it, it was actually funny. He goes,
he goes, it's like pac Man, he goes. If pac
Man's roaming along and all of the other players, but
pac Man's the bad guy. It doesn't matter how many
of those other players you have. But if pac Man
is a good guy and he's rolling around, he's consuming
(30:11):
the bad guys. Yeah, and and it's and it's so true,
and it doesn't it doesn't take many like I said,
and and I you know I I'll be the first
one to say, like my experience in college at Georgia
Tech on a bad, bad football team. We were not
that bad of a football team, but we did not
have great people. We did not have great people, and
(30:33):
that played a huge role in all that.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
All right, We wanted to get into Luke's look back
this week, but run out of time here. We'll push
it to next week. We'll push it to next week.
We had a lot to talk about today, so I think, uh,
the lesson here.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Is for you. Okay show, and I think your wife's
gonna love this, all right, go for a short short.
It's it's romantic comedy. And I got talked into it
by my mother, of all people, and she's like, you
have to watch this, Tommy, you have to watch this.
So it's a it's a new show on Netflix with
Adam Brody and Kristen Bell called Nobody Wants This? Okay,
(31:15):
and just check it out. The first episode is like
twenty six minutes, so it's very, very quick and you
get into it quickly. But it's funny, it's amusing, and
I think it's got some legs. And I'm more generally
more of a I mean, I like romantic comedies and everything,
but I usually gravitate towards you know, crime or mystery
or scary or ghosts or whatever it is. This is
(31:36):
really good. Your wife will love it. So you got
to give it to her so that if you don't
watch it, she can give you the report card.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
All right, give it to the people again. What's it called?
And where can they find it?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Okay, you don't want this on Netflix with Kristin Bell
and Adam Brody? All right?
Speaker 1 (31:52):
So I did? Was that a tough feeling. You watch
the show, you liked it, and you go, my mother
was right, dang it.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Oh. I literally I sent her a text. I said,
I'm two episodes in. You got me.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
All right? So there you go. You got a new show.
We'll have a new show for you next Monday. Like subscribe,
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