January 2, 2025 • 24 mins
Jay Bilas sits down with Michelle Knezovic to discuss this year's Kentucky team before the Louisville game, what the last couple months have been like. Make sure to subscribe to the Behind Kentucky Basketball Podcast for your exclusive MBB content.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, and I think I think Kentucky was picked towards
the bottom of the SEC to begin the year because
you really just did it.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
You didn't know what Mark Pope was going to be
able to do.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
He had to build a whole.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
New staff, a whole new team, and really everybody's having
to build new teams of college basketball nowadays. But were
you surprised at how well that they've started off this
season with big wins against Duke and at Gonzaga and
in the way they did it.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Yeah, I mean, I think if you told me at
the beginning of the year Kentucky's going to be nine
to one after ten games, would I have been surprised?
Maybe a little bit, But you know, I had seen
all these guys play before. You never know how a
particular team's going to gel together and how quickly. But
you know, the Mark Pope and his staff took a
really intelligent approach to the transfer portal. It wasn't that
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they just got to went out and got the best talent.
They went out and got the talent that fits best
together and fits best the way that Mark Pope.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Likes to play and wanted to play with this group.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
So you know, you go to Oklahoma and you get
to take away who is a great defender and a
downhill driver and could score. But they also got a
bunch of guys that were all defensive team in their
league and Defensive Player of the Year. So there are
certain players that he knew, Like he knew Jackson Rodbinson
he had coached him. There are certain guys that he knew,
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and then certain guys that fit the profile. And there
was a smart use I think, a really intelligent use
of analytics.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Kalman Or.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
He brought him in because he can really cut and
in that system, that's something that he felt was undervalue.
And so it wasn't just that, hey, Alminor's a really
good player, let's go get him. It was here's what
he can really do that's going to help us. So
that was an elevating factor.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I think in decision making.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
You've been able to call a lot of Kentucky games.
Is there a game or a moment that that has
stuck out to you over the years here, I mean,
I know the ice cream, the ice cream. Always get
the ice cream, the Taylor Bells ice cream.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
That's the best part.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
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Speaker 3 (02:20):
Jflas, thanks so much for joining us today.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Well, you're in Lexington. Let's just skip to it. Battle
of the Bluegrass Kentucky Louisville. You're in town. I mean
it's kind of the reimagined, I guess, Kentucky Leville.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Two new head coaches.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
You're going to be on the call on Saturday, you know,
anticipation for it. Do you think it's kind of gotten
maybe a little, I know, a little bit more exciting.
Louill has been down the last couple of years, and
a little bit more excitement heading into this matchup.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Yeah, Louisville can fight back a little more. Last couple
of years, we're a little lean. But it's been a
while since Louisville's been truly competitive. They you know, Rick
Patino left in twenty seventeen and they have won an
NCAA tournament game since that time. And in the last
two years, it's been a teams of single digit wins
for the whole year. So with Pat Kelcey now it's
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a lot more energetic and more hopeful, and the results
have been better certainly. You know, they've won six games already.
They won eight all of last year. But they've had
a couple injuries and they're not at full strength, but
they're still good. I mean, they gave Duke a tussel
at home the other night on Sunday. But you know,
if they make shots, which they're capable of doing, they
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just haven't been doing regularly this year, they're going to
be a handful.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
And you know, when you look at the the SEC
and then also the ACC, I kind of want to
get your thought on the SEC ACC challenge.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I mean fourteen to two and then.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
The two SEC teams that lose are top five teams
in the country in Auburn and Kentucky. When you look
at the conference as a whole right now, in the SEC,
I mean, what do you.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
See better than it's ever been. That doesn't mean the
teams at the top are better than teams and the
SEC have ever been.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
There have certainly.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Been some better teams and all that in a given year,
but there's never been a time where top to bottom
of the league's been this strong relative to the rest
of the country. And you know that ACC SEC challenge,
it wasn't a challenge. I mean, fourteen to two. There's
never been a result like that ever. And you know,
like the AEC came out of the bad end of it.
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But I don't think you can say, well, we had
a bad couple of nights, that's.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Not what happened.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
They're not as good, and so that's going to they're
going to be dragging those results with them for the
rest of the year. And it's also going to be
kind of in people's minds. That's in the back of
your mind. You say SEC and ACC right now, you're
not going, well, let's compare them. There's no comparison. So
there's there's a hole for the ACC to dig out of.
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And right now the SEC is at the top of
the heap. And fortunate when you do as well as
the SEC is done in non conference play, it enhances
the value of your conference games because you know, in
conference play, the league's always five hundred. You know, somebody
wins and somebody loses, but the value of a win
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is higher in the SEC this year, and then that
anything you would take from a loss. You can have
quality losses in this league, so you're not going to
get hurt by a loss as badly in the SEC
as some of the teams in the ACC are going
to get hurt when they lose.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
A league game.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Well, and I think Kentucky was picked towards the bottom
of the SEC to begin the year because you really
just did it.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Now.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
You didn't know what Mark Pope was going to be
able to do. He had to build a whole.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
New staff, a whole new team, and really everybody's having
to build new teams with college basketball nowadays. But were
you surprised at how well that they've started off this
season with big wins against Duke and at Gonzaga and
in the way they did it.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Yeah, I mean I think if you told me at
the beginning of the year Kentucky's going to be nine
to one after ten games, what I have been surprised?
Maybe a little bit, But you know, I had seen
all these guys play before. You know how a particular
team's going to gel together and how quickly. But you know,
the Mark Pope and his staff took a really intelligent
approach to the transfer portal. It wasn't that they just
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got to went out and got the best talent. They
went out and got the talent that fits best together
and fits best the way that that Mark Pope likes
to play and wanted to play with this group. So
you know, you go to Oklahoma and you get to
take away who is a great defender and a downhill
driver and can score. And but they also got a
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bunch of guys that were all defensive team in their
leagues and Defensive Player of the Year. So there are
certain players that he knew, like he knew Jackson Robinson
he had coached him. There's certain guys that he knew,
and then certain guys that fit the profile. And there
is a smart use I think, a really intelligent use
of analytics.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Alman Or.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
He brought him in because he can really cut and
in that in that system.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
That's something that he felt was undervalued.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
And so it wasn't just that, hey, Almanor is a
really good player, let's go get him. It was here's
what he can really do that's going to help us.
So that was an elevating factor I think in decision making.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Well in a couple guys kind of having to take
on different roles, with Lamont Butler being out, in Kerkreasa
being out, Jackson Robinson having to take over at that
point guard position. I don't know if you heard this,
but he had a press conference after the win, and
apparently when Jackson played point guard at BYU in one game,
he yelled on the sideline, I'm never playing point guard again.
And he has five assists no turnovers in Seattle and
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you overcome this huge deficit. How surprised were you or
maybe impressed by Jackson Robinson and in the way he
was able to take over and take on that role
in that second half.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Of the game. Well, you were impressed that you were
impressed with the adjustments that were made and the fact
that anyone, all of them could step into different roles
and do what it takes in that particular game. I
think the problem with that is you don't want to
have to do that game after game after game because
it takes Jackson Robinson away from doing what he does best.
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You know, And sometimes when you have when you're not
stable at the point guard. And it's not to say
he's not stable, but that's not his that's not his thing.
But when you have to worry about what's going on
with the point guard. Then everybody's worried instead of thinking
about what their job is. When you've got somebody handling
all that, it makes everybody's job easier. So when Lamont
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Butler's doing it, you know, you know, okay, this is
taken care of. I don't need to look over my
shoulder and see whether he's being pressured and I got
to come back and help him. You know he's going
to handle that and get you into what you should do.
It doesn't mean the point guard's ball dominant has it
all the time, but I think sometimes people underestimate how
important it is get the ball up court, and all
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of a sudden, you know you have a problem with that.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
You're facing more pressure.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
You got to turn your back, not able to get
into as many things and get into it as quickly.
So I think if Jackson Robinson has to do that
for an extended period, it's not a good thing. Sure
it's not that he can't do it, and it's not
that Kentucky won't do just fine, but they won't be
as certainly as good as they could be if they
did it another way.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
So I don't know if you could feel it when
you landed in Lexington.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
But there's a lot of excitement surrounding Mark Pope, surrounding
this team. And you know, I think when you look
at college basketball, you look at Mark Pope, he was
a captain, he won a national championship at Kentucky, and
then you look at Duke. John Shier was a captain,
won a national championship at Duke, and even Hubert Davis
played for UNC. Do you feel like maybe more players
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are becoming coaches of the programs that they're at in
specifically three blue bloods.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Well, that's the thing, is the blue blood part of it.
You know, Bill self didn't play at Kansas. You know,
like I think there are good things with that, and
then there are things that are tricky when you're making
a decision on who to hire. A lot of times,
especially like when you know, when ruppl left, you know
Joe B. Hall because he played there and all that stuff,
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that's the first place you look and people say, you know,
we got to keep it in the family. And most
of the time, the person that started the family they're
talking about wasn't in the family. And you know, Rup
played at Kansas and Dean Smith played at Kansas.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Don't forget that. Kentucky Shampton.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
No, yeah, but I mean it's true. And you know,
coach k didn't play at Duke. He didn't know anything
about Duke when he took the job. There's no tie, there,
no connection there. He'd never worked there and you know,
didn't go to school there.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
There wasn't anything like that.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
But then after that person that sort of started the
family leaves, he got to keep it in the family
and Alabama football they were beholden to Bear Bryant for
quite a while after coach Bryant retired. And who's the
one that started the new family, Nick Saban. He had
no connection to Alabama. So I think it's always get
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the right person. But you know, Mark Pope fits here
because he loves it so much. Don't don't know that
like playing at Kentucky back in the nineties means that
that any person automatically knows what it's like now. But
but he loves it and he wants to be here,
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and he's really energetic. I think more than anything, that's
what people are drawn to is his personality and all
that I don't I don't think automatically just because you
played here. You know, most most fan bases and I'm
not I'm not saying anything about Kentucky or Louisville or
Duke or all that. Most fan bases eat their young.
All they want to do is win, and so they'll
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throw anybody under the bus when they don't win. And
and that's what fans do, and that's what fan bases do.
And it's fine because they love it and they're passionate
about it. That's all great. But when when you win,
you know, having a tie there enhances it. Right now,
you know, Kentucky and Louisville, they're in the hopeful stage.
You know, we've made a change, and now like we
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love everything and as long as every as long as
you win, everybody loves everybody. And then when when it
doesn't go right, then questions come up. Because right now,
Hubert Davis as terrific as he is, and I think
he's fabulous. He's listening to it. He played there, he
loves it. It doesn't doesn't matter if you're four and four,
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you're going to hear it.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Well, it's funny you say that, because when it got
announced that and there started to be some traction that
Mark Pope was going to be the coach. You know,
Big Blue Nation is freaking out, and then not even
twenty four hours later, Oh my gosh, everything's perfect, everything's amazing,
everything is is great.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
This is our guy.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Like it's crazy the flip in the fan base, and
like you said, they hear him speak, they hear his passion.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Ope, I'm in one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
But I think it's the way he speaks and he's
so intentional and his energy is so high. And then
bringing Rick Patino out at Big Blue Madness, I mean,
the fan base has just just dived into everything that
he's done. Were you surprised when he brought Rick Patino
out for Big B Manners or No?
Speaker 5 (13:01):
No?
Speaker 4 (13:01):
I mean I think I did I anticipate that. No,
because Rick's coaching right now. So oftentimes that's what gets
in the way of that kind of stuff. But once
there's a little bit of time, people tend to get
over things. Sure, and you know, when Rick went to Louisville,
you're kind of thinking, Okay, the Louisville, Kentucky thing now
now a place that loved him and was mad at
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him when he left and went to the Celtics. You know,
now they're going to hate him and all that stuff.
That stuff fades away, like he did an amazing job
here and and Kentucky's in his blood, so I'm not
surprised at the result and kind of the applause he
got and all that the love he got. He should
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get that. But one of the great things about a
place like Kentucky and Kentucky in particular, is when you
have that much tradition, you should celebrate it. Yeah, you
should celebrate that tradition. And you know, bring former players
want to be a part of it because it was
an important.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Time in their their lives.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
I mean, we all anybody who played you think about
you think about that place fondly for the rest of
your life.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
You've been able to call a lot of Kentucky games.
Is there a game or a moment that that has
stuck out to you over over the years here, I mean,
I know the ice cream ice you always get the
ice tream, the Taylor Bells ice cream.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
That's the best part, you know, I don't it's funny.
I probably should do a list of of my favorite
games and all that stuff. My favorite game is the
one I'm doing next. Usually I hate to be that way.
But I can't think of like one, you know, the
A couple of the Kentucky Florida games I've had here
have been off the charts good. There have been so
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many great games, it's hard to think of of one
that that stands above the crowd. I guess back in
years ago Tubby Smith was here when they played Duke
Up in the Meadowlands. That was an unbelo game. But
there have been so many of them. I mean, that's
kind of the hard part when you have a when
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you have a place like Kentucky, they do nothing but
play big games. You're thinking about the last one and
the next one more so than the history of it.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
So I saw you were on the call during it
was Kentucky Louisville when Tyler Ulis had the infamous blood tear.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Do you look at that photo because it resurfaces all
the time on X once we come around the Kentucky
Louisville and it's become such an.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Iconic shot from that game.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Do you ever look at it and you're like, Oh,
I was on that game and it wasn't even like
a crazy foul that ended up happening. He just kind
of got clipped with his eye, and now it's become
such an iconic shot.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
I see it, yeah, but I don't search it out.
But yeah, you see it once in a while, and
I don't really think about, oh, hey, I did that game.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
It's not that.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
It's just it's kind of like with the Duke Carolina thing.
They always bring out Eric when Eric Mantras rest in peace.
When he was playing in the Duke Carolina rivalere, he
probably took an elbow or something and he had blood
running down the side of his face that you know.
Now it's referred to as the bloody Mantrass game, and
so they always bring that one back because you know,
you turn these things blood rivalries, and when you have
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real blood, it tends to capture people. But you know, now,
years ago, I mean I'm a lot older than you.
Years ago, you didn't see all that stuff. Now you
got social media, get is put right back in front
of you all the time.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
So let's say it's more at the forefront.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Well, when people look at it and they probably have
no idea what actually happened in the game, they're like, oh,
it's the blood Battle of Kentucky and Mauival.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
It represents something different.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
So we're going to go back to the SEC a
little bit, kind of just rounding out here.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
When you look at the conference.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Top to bottom and you look at maybe what these
teams could do or what they're expected to do in
regular season. You talked about a loss in the SEC
is not going to look that bad once we get
to the tournament time. I mean, do you think that
there is a chance you could have ten to twelve
SEC teams in the postseason.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Yes, you seem very confident.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
On that there is a chance. I mean, with their
non conference records. As long as you as long as
you're competitive and your losses and your losses are to
the top end of the league, and you handle the
bottom of the league, I think I think it's I
think it's I don't want to say it's likely because
it's not likely, but there's a possibility of that. And
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you know, nine to ten I think is a near
guarantee because they have to take sixty eight and which
of the teams in this league are going to be
slighted against teams in the ACC. You don't have to
worry about that. Yeah, the non conference record against the
rest of the Power five is so strong that nobody's
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going to get slighted. They're going to win most of
the arguments in the committee room. If you come against this,
you know this team versus a middle middle ACC team,
you know the SEC team is going to win that fight.
I mean, there may be certain things you could say, Okay, well,
there are variables that may go toward an ACC team
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and one particular thing, but overall, it's not going to
be a not going to be a close call.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
It's going to be very exciting to see conference play
where just about a month away, once Christmas comes and
the new year comes, I know Florida, Florida will be here.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
That'll be a great game.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
And I have to ask you before you leave, how
did ninety four feet come to be?
Speaker 4 (18:17):
We got that's a good question. We got I don't
know twelve years ago, ten or twelve years ago. We
had an early pre season meeting. We do that almost
every year. Lately we've had zoom meetings. Now we're back
in person at times, but we'd have like a tip
off meeting where everybody would come together and we'd go
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through kind of what's going to happen in the season.
It's usually a two day deal, and our bosses kind
of challenged us come up with something creative, and so
I got with a producer that I work with, Scott Gustafson,
and we were talking about that. So, okay, well let's
give them what they want, Like, what can we do
that we can fit into a broadcast. It's realistic to
get into the game broadcast that's different and has some
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legs to it. And I had seen something on the
NFL network during the combine. I've seen it one time
and that's it. I've never seen it again. They called
it forty yard dash and somebody walked forty yards with
a combine participant and just ask questions. And so I
brought that up to Scott and he said, well, why
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don't we try it. We'll just we'll call it ninety
four feet because that's how long the court is. So
we did that the first one. The first subject of
it was Jay Wright at Villanova, so we had Villanova's
playing at Virginia. So I asked him to do it.
He said yes, he had no idea what I was
talking about. But I told him, I go, I don't
even know what questions I'm going to ask it. So
we'll start it, and it's going to be lighthearted and
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all that. So we started camera guy in front of us,
who has to walk backwards. I always try to walk
the camera guy into the stanchion. There you go, just
as a joe, hopefully not hurt him. But so we
started off and I asked Jay, what was your favorite
TV show growing up?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
And he goes, oh, wow, that's a good question. My
favorite TV show gone up? Geez, what was it? Oh God, there's.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
So many of them, and he kept saying stuff like that,
and we got all the way the opposite free throw line.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
I'm gonna f the whole thing up, the question how much?
How much? We got to do it again now?
Speaker 4 (20:16):
And so we went back and so then I beforehand
I started saying, all right, what was your favorite TV show?
Speaker 2 (20:21):
What do you like to eat?
Speaker 4 (20:21):
You know, just dumb questions, and that way he kind
of knew what was coming.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
So we did it.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
And that's still I think it's the only one we've
ever had to do twice. All of them we've able
to knock out. So over the years, I've kind of
learned like coaches and players sometimes are different. So if
I'm doing it with you, I would just, you know,
while we're getting miked up, while the audio guys micing
us up, I would start asking you, like, hey, you know,
what do you like to do when.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
You're not playing ball or stuff like that. Ask you
about your.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Family, you know, what was your first car? So they
got an idea and maybe the answer will be really
good and dive into it and then we can you know,
then I'll get a better, better clue. So kind of
cluing them in on what's coming without telling them, because
you want it to be somewhat spontaneous. Sure, but I
never thought when we first started doing it, I didn't
think it was going to.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Be this this it's not I'm.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Not saying it's a big I didn't think it would
last this long. And I was getting it was probably
five or six years ago. I'm getting groceries for my
wife and and the checkout person says, hey, you're the
ninety four feet guy, and I was like, you've been
called a lot, but nobody's ever called me that, so
I guess people notice it.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
So it's been fun.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I was going to ask, how many are one take wonders,
but it looks like all.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Of them, Yeah, all of them I mean it's not
that hard of a thing, sure, but you know, I
think getting with them beforehand and giving them least an
idea because sometimes, you know, you might ask him a
question like who's the you know, who's the toughest person
you ever guarded, and they got to go, oh geez,
you know, like kind of your yeah, your question about
what's your favorite Kentucky game, you know, the best Kentucky game,
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Like I've never even thought about that. I really have
to think about that though, so you know, like catching
you caught me off guard with that one. So in
that sort of thing, you don't want to you don't
want to do that because I don't want to do
it again. And oftentimes we're trying to squeeze it into
something like Kentucky fans get on me like I did
one in rup. I think I did one with Rick Barnes,
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and I did one with a kid from Kansas before
Kentucky play Kansas, and they're always like, why don't you do
a Kentucky guy, you know, because we you know, Kentucky
won't do it on a game day, and then we
don't have it when we're at the practice facility the
day before to watch practice. We don't have a camera
crew like those guys have to be paid, yes, you know,
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and the camera crew is not booked for that day,
so you kind of have to do a day of
the game. And usually the visitors are the ones that
will do it, Like the home team usually doesn't want
their players to do that day of a game. Maybe
things will loosen up with an il, but most coaches
are like not day of the game. Nobody talks to
them day of the game.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Know whatever, superstitions.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Yeah, it's not superstition. It's just it's they want to
control it. Sure, sure, and that's fine. I mean I
don't have it, like, I don't care whether people say
yes or no. It doesn't bother me whether.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
We do it.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
But it's it's oddly enough, it's really fun with the
coaches because they are not you know, you ask a
coach about what was your first car, and they'll wax
poetic about I had a nineteen sixty nine Pontiac Firebird.
It was green and had this kind of interior and
all that.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Well that was ninety four feet Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, the players don't.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
The players oftentimes aren't as forthcoming with stuff.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Well, I hope I hope you'll like this.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
But we kind of picked on off of that ninety
four feet and we do a segment called cats by
ninety co or it's ninety seconds and we do the walking.
Sometimes we sit in a chair and do it. But
you've inspired us to do a segment that's very very creative.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
I'd like to be honest sometimes.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Well, you are very welcome on us, very much welcome
on that segment. Well, Jay, thank you so much for
and on here today. We so appreciate you. Another episode
in the books. Big thank you to Jay Billis for
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We'll see you next week.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
It'd be nice to be on x go Katz
Well, and I think I think Kentucky was picked towards
the bottom of the SEC to begin the year because
you really just did it.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
You didn't know what Mark Pope was going to be
able to do.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
He had to build a whole.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
New staff, a whole new team, and really everybody's having
to build new teams of college basketball nowadays. But were
you surprised at how well that they've started off this
season with big wins against Duke and at Gonzaga and
in the way they did it.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Yeah, I mean, I think if you told me at
the beginning of the year Kentucky's going to be nine
to one after ten games, would I have been surprised?
Maybe a little bit, But you know, I had seen
all these guys play before. You never know how a
particular team's going to gel together and how quickly. But
you know, the Mark Pope and his staff took a
really intelligent approach to the transfer portal. It wasn't that
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they just got to went out and got the best talent.
They went out and got the talent that fits best
together and fits best the way that Mark Pope.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Likes to play and wanted to play with this group.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
So you know, you go to Oklahoma and you get
to take away who is a great defender and a
downhill driver and could score. But they also got a
bunch of guys that were all defensive team in their
league and Defensive Player of the Year. So there are
certain players that he knew, Like he knew Jackson Rodbinson
he had coached him. There are certain guys that he knew,
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and then certain guys that fit the profile. And there
was a smart use I think, a really intelligent use
of analytics.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Kalman Or.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
He brought him in because he can really cut and
in that system, that's something that he felt was undervalue.
And so it wasn't just that, hey, Alminor's a really
good player, let's go get him. It was here's what
he can really do that's going to help us. So
that was an elevating factor.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I think in decision making.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
You've been able to call a lot of Kentucky games.
Is there a game or a moment that that has
stuck out to you over the years here, I mean,
I know the ice cream, the ice cream. Always get
the ice cream, the Taylor Bells ice cream.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
That's the best part.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Welcome into another episode of Behind Kentucky Basketball presented by
UK Federal Credit Union and a special guest here today
in our downtown studios and probably the only blue Blue
devil we will allow on the Behind Kentucky Basketball podcast.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Jflas, thanks so much for joining us today.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Well, you're in Lexington. Let's just skip to it. Battle
of the Bluegrass Kentucky Louisville. You're in town. I mean
it's kind of the reimagined, I guess, Kentucky Leville.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Two new head coaches.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
You're going to be on the call on Saturday, you know,
anticipation for it. Do you think it's kind of gotten
maybe a little, I know, a little bit more exciting.
Louill has been down the last couple of years, and
a little bit more excitement heading into this matchup.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Yeah, Louisville can fight back a little more. Last couple
of years, we're a little lean. But it's been a
while since Louisville's been truly competitive. They you know, Rick
Patino left in twenty seventeen and they have won an
NCAA tournament game since that time. And in the last
two years, it's been a teams of single digit wins
for the whole year. So with Pat Kelcey now it's
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a lot more energetic and more hopeful, and the results
have been better certainly. You know, they've won six games already.
They won eight all of last year. But they've had
a couple injuries and they're not at full strength, but
they're still good. I mean, they gave Duke a tussel
at home the other night on Sunday. But you know,
if they make shots, which they're capable of doing, they
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just haven't been doing regularly this year, they're going to
be a handful.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
And you know, when you look at the the SEC
and then also the ACC, I kind of want to
get your thought on the SEC ACC challenge.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I mean fourteen to two and then.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
The two SEC teams that lose are top five teams
in the country in Auburn and Kentucky. When you look
at the conference as a whole right now, in the SEC,
I mean, what do you.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
See better than it's ever been. That doesn't mean the
teams at the top are better than teams and the
SEC have ever been.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
There have certainly.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Been some better teams and all that in a given year,
but there's never been a time where top to bottom
of the league's been this strong relative to the rest
of the country. And you know that ACC SEC challenge,
it wasn't a challenge. I mean, fourteen to two. There's
never been a result like that ever. And you know,
like the AEC came out of the bad end of it.
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But I don't think you can say, well, we had
a bad couple of nights, that's.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Not what happened.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
They're not as good, and so that's going to they're
going to be dragging those results with them for the
rest of the year. And it's also going to be
kind of in people's minds. That's in the back of
your mind. You say SEC and ACC right now, you're
not going, well, let's compare them. There's no comparison. So
there's there's a hole for the ACC to dig out of.
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And right now the SEC is at the top of
the heap. And fortunate when you do as well as
the SEC is done in non conference play, it enhances
the value of your conference games because you know, in
conference play, the league's always five hundred. You know, somebody
wins and somebody loses, but the value of a win
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is higher in the SEC this year, and then that
anything you would take from a loss. You can have
quality losses in this league, so you're not going to
get hurt by a loss as badly in the SEC
as some of the teams in the ACC are going
to get hurt when they lose.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
A league game.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Well, and I think Kentucky was picked towards the bottom
of the SEC to begin the year because you really
just did it.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Now.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
You didn't know what Mark Pope was going to be
able to do. He had to build a whole.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
New staff, a whole new team, and really everybody's having
to build new teams with college basketball nowadays. But were
you surprised at how well that they've started off this
season with big wins against Duke and at Gonzaga and
in the way they did it.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Yeah, I mean I think if you told me at
the beginning of the year Kentucky's going to be nine
to one after ten games, what I have been surprised?
Maybe a little bit, But you know, I had seen
all these guys play before. You know how a particular
team's going to gel together and how quickly. But you know,
the Mark Pope and his staff took a really intelligent
approach to the transfer portal. It wasn't that they just
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got to went out and got the best talent. They
went out and got the talent that fits best together
and fits best the way that that Mark Pope likes
to play and wanted to play with this group. So
you know, you go to Oklahoma and you get to
take away who is a great defender and a downhill
driver and can score. And but they also got a
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bunch of guys that were all defensive team in their
leagues and Defensive Player of the Year. So there are
certain players that he knew, like he knew Jackson Robinson
he had coached him. There's certain guys that he knew,
and then certain guys that fit the profile. And there
is a smart use I think, a really intelligent use
of analytics.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Alman Or.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
He brought him in because he can really cut and
in that in that system.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
That's something that he felt was undervalued.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
And so it wasn't just that, hey, Almanor is a
really good player, let's go get him. It was here's
what he can really do that's going to help us.
So that was an elevating factor I think in decision making.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Well in a couple guys kind of having to take
on different roles, with Lamont Butler being out, in Kerkreasa
being out, Jackson Robinson having to take over at that
point guard position. I don't know if you heard this,
but he had a press conference after the win, and
apparently when Jackson played point guard at BYU in one game,
he yelled on the sideline, I'm never playing point guard again.
And he has five assists no turnovers in Seattle and
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you overcome this huge deficit. How surprised were you or
maybe impressed by Jackson Robinson and in the way he
was able to take over and take on that role
in that second half.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Of the game. Well, you were impressed that you were
impressed with the adjustments that were made and the fact
that anyone, all of them could step into different roles
and do what it takes in that particular game. I
think the problem with that is you don't want to
have to do that game after game after game because
it takes Jackson Robinson away from doing what he does best.
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You know, And sometimes when you have when you're not
stable at the point guard. And it's not to say
he's not stable, but that's not his that's not his thing.
But when you have to worry about what's going on
with the point guard. Then everybody's worried instead of thinking
about what their job is. When you've got somebody handling
all that, it makes everybody's job easier. So when Lamont
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Butler's doing it, you know, you know, okay, this is
taken care of. I don't need to look over my
shoulder and see whether he's being pressured and I got
to come back and help him. You know he's going
to handle that and get you into what you should do.
It doesn't mean the point guard's ball dominant has it
all the time, but I think sometimes people underestimate how
important it is get the ball up court, and all
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of a sudden, you know you have a problem with that.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
You're facing more pressure.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
You got to turn your back, not able to get
into as many things and get into it as quickly.
So I think if Jackson Robinson has to do that
for an extended period, it's not a good thing. Sure
it's not that he can't do it, and it's not
that Kentucky won't do just fine, but they won't be
as certainly as good as they could be if they
did it another way.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
So I don't know if you could feel it when
you landed in Lexington.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
But there's a lot of excitement surrounding Mark Pope, surrounding
this team. And you know, I think when you look
at college basketball, you look at Mark Pope, he was
a captain, he won a national championship at Kentucky, and
then you look at Duke. John Shier was a captain,
won a national championship at Duke, and even Hubert Davis
played for UNC. Do you feel like maybe more players
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are becoming coaches of the programs that they're at in
specifically three blue bloods.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Well, that's the thing, is the blue blood part of it.
You know, Bill self didn't play at Kansas. You know,
like I think there are good things with that, and
then there are things that are tricky when you're making
a decision on who to hire. A lot of times,
especially like when you know, when ruppl left, you know
Joe B. Hall because he played there and all that stuff,
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that's the first place you look and people say, you know,
we got to keep it in the family. And most
of the time, the person that started the family they're
talking about wasn't in the family. And you know, Rup
played at Kansas and Dean Smith played at Kansas.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Don't forget that. Kentucky Shampton.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
No, yeah, but I mean it's true. And you know,
coach k didn't play at Duke. He didn't know anything
about Duke when he took the job. There's no tie, there,
no connection there. He'd never worked there and you know,
didn't go to school there.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
There wasn't anything like that.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
But then after that person that sort of started the
family leaves, he got to keep it in the family
and Alabama football they were beholden to Bear Bryant for
quite a while after coach Bryant retired. And who's the
one that started the new family, Nick Saban. He had
no connection to Alabama. So I think it's always get
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the right person. But you know, Mark Pope fits here
because he loves it so much. Don't don't know that
like playing at Kentucky back in the nineties means that
that any person automatically knows what it's like now. But
but he loves it and he wants to be here,
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and he's really energetic. I think more than anything, that's
what people are drawn to is his personality and all
that I don't I don't think automatically just because you
played here. You know, most most fan bases and I'm
not I'm not saying anything about Kentucky or Louisville or
Duke or all that. Most fan bases eat their young.
All they want to do is win, and so they'll
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throw anybody under the bus when they don't win. And
and that's what fans do, and that's what fan bases do.
And it's fine because they love it and they're passionate
about it. That's all great. But when when you win,
you know, having a tie there enhances it. Right now,
you know, Kentucky and Louisville, they're in the hopeful stage.
You know, we've made a change, and now like we
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love everything and as long as every as long as
you win, everybody loves everybody. And then when when it
doesn't go right, then questions come up. Because right now,
Hubert Davis as terrific as he is, and I think
he's fabulous. He's listening to it. He played there, he
loves it. It doesn't doesn't matter if you're four and four,
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you're going to hear it.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Well, it's funny you say that, because when it got
announced that and there started to be some traction that
Mark Pope was going to be the coach. You know,
Big Blue Nation is freaking out, and then not even
twenty four hours later, Oh my gosh, everything's perfect, everything's amazing,
everything is is great.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
This is our guy.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Like it's crazy the flip in the fan base, and
like you said, they hear him speak, they hear his passion.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Ope, I'm in one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
But I think it's the way he speaks and he's
so intentional and his energy is so high. And then
bringing Rick Patino out at Big Blue Madness, I mean,
the fan base has just just dived into everything that
he's done. Were you surprised when he brought Rick Patino
out for Big B Manners or No?
Speaker 5 (13:01):
No?
Speaker 4 (13:01):
I mean I think I did I anticipate that. No,
because Rick's coaching right now. So oftentimes that's what gets
in the way of that kind of stuff. But once
there's a little bit of time, people tend to get
over things. Sure, and you know, when Rick went to Louisville,
you're kind of thinking, Okay, the Louisville, Kentucky thing now
now a place that loved him and was mad at
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him when he left and went to the Celtics. You know,
now they're going to hate him and all that stuff.
That stuff fades away, like he did an amazing job
here and and Kentucky's in his blood, so I'm not
surprised at the result and kind of the applause he
got and all that the love he got. He should
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get that. But one of the great things about a
place like Kentucky and Kentucky in particular, is when you
have that much tradition, you should celebrate it. Yeah, you
should celebrate that tradition. And you know, bring former players
want to be a part of it because it was
an important.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Time in their their lives.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
I mean, we all anybody who played you think about
you think about that place fondly for the rest of
your life.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
You've been able to call a lot of Kentucky games.
Is there a game or a moment that that has
stuck out to you over over the years here, I mean,
I know the ice cream ice you always get the
ice tream, the Taylor Bells ice cream.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
That's the best part, you know, I don't it's funny.
I probably should do a list of of my favorite
games and all that stuff. My favorite game is the
one I'm doing next. Usually I hate to be that way.
But I can't think of like one, you know, the
A couple of the Kentucky Florida games I've had here
have been off the charts good. There have been so
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many great games, it's hard to think of of one
that that stands above the crowd. I guess back in
years ago Tubby Smith was here when they played Duke
Up in the Meadowlands. That was an unbelo game. But
there have been so many of them. I mean, that's
kind of the hard part when you have a when
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you have a place like Kentucky, they do nothing but
play big games. You're thinking about the last one and
the next one more so than the history of it.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
So I saw you were on the call during it
was Kentucky Louisville when Tyler Ulis had the infamous blood tear.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Do you look at that photo because it resurfaces all
the time on X once we come around the Kentucky
Louisville and it's become such an.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Iconic shot from that game.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Do you ever look at it and you're like, Oh,
I was on that game and it wasn't even like
a crazy foul that ended up happening. He just kind
of got clipped with his eye, and now it's become
such an iconic shot.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
I see it, yeah, but I don't search it out.
But yeah, you see it once in a while, and
I don't really think about, oh, hey, I did that game.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
It's not that.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
It's just it's kind of like with the Duke Carolina thing.
They always bring out Eric when Eric Mantras rest in peace.
When he was playing in the Duke Carolina rivalere, he
probably took an elbow or something and he had blood
running down the side of his face that you know.
Now it's referred to as the bloody Mantrass game, and
so they always bring that one back because you know,
you turn these things blood rivalries, and when you have
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real blood, it tends to capture people. But you know, now,
years ago, I mean I'm a lot older than you.
Years ago, you didn't see all that stuff. Now you
got social media, get is put right back in front
of you all the time.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
So let's say it's more at the forefront.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Well, when people look at it and they probably have
no idea what actually happened in the game, they're like, oh,
it's the blood Battle of Kentucky and Mauival.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
It represents something different.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
So we're going to go back to the SEC a
little bit, kind of just rounding out here.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
When you look at the conference.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Top to bottom and you look at maybe what these
teams could do or what they're expected to do in
regular season. You talked about a loss in the SEC
is not going to look that bad once we get
to the tournament time. I mean, do you think that
there is a chance you could have ten to twelve
SEC teams in the postseason.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Yes, you seem very confident.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
On that there is a chance. I mean, with their
non conference records. As long as you as long as
you're competitive and your losses and your losses are to
the top end of the league, and you handle the
bottom of the league, I think I think it's I
think it's I don't want to say it's likely because
it's not likely, but there's a possibility of that. And
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you know, nine to ten I think is a near
guarantee because they have to take sixty eight and which
of the teams in this league are going to be
slighted against teams in the ACC. You don't have to
worry about that. Yeah, the non conference record against the
rest of the Power five is so strong that nobody's
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going to get slighted. They're going to win most of
the arguments in the committee room. If you come against this,
you know this team versus a middle middle ACC team,
you know the SEC team is going to win that fight.
I mean, there may be certain things you could say, Okay, well,
there are variables that may go toward an ACC team
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and one particular thing, but overall, it's not going to
be a not going to be a close call.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
It's going to be very exciting to see conference play
where just about a month away, once Christmas comes and
the new year comes, I know Florida, Florida will be here.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
That'll be a great game.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
And I have to ask you before you leave, how
did ninety four feet come to be?
Speaker 4 (18:17):
We got that's a good question. We got I don't
know twelve years ago, ten or twelve years ago. We
had an early pre season meeting. We do that almost
every year. Lately we've had zoom meetings. Now we're back
in person at times, but we'd have like a tip
off meeting where everybody would come together and we'd go
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through kind of what's going to happen in the season.
It's usually a two day deal, and our bosses kind
of challenged us come up with something creative, and so
I got with a producer that I work with, Scott Gustafson,
and we were talking about that. So, okay, well let's
give them what they want, Like, what can we do
that we can fit into a broadcast. It's realistic to
get into the game broadcast that's different and has some
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legs to it. And I had seen something on the
NFL network during the combine. I've seen it one time
and that's it. I've never seen it again. They called
it forty yard dash and somebody walked forty yards with
a combine participant and just ask questions. And so I
brought that up to Scott and he said, well, why
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don't we try it. We'll just we'll call it ninety
four feet because that's how long the court is. So
we did that the first one. The first subject of
it was Jay Wright at Villanova, so we had Villanova's
playing at Virginia. So I asked him to do it.
He said yes, he had no idea what I was
talking about. But I told him, I go, I don't
even know what questions I'm going to ask it. So
we'll start it, and it's going to be lighthearted and
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all that. So we started camera guy in front of us,
who has to walk backwards. I always try to walk
the camera guy into the stanchion. There you go, just
as a joe, hopefully not hurt him. But so we
started off and I asked Jay, what was your favorite
TV show growing up?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
And he goes, oh, wow, that's a good question. My
favorite TV show gone up? Geez, what was it? Oh God, there's.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
So many of them, and he kept saying stuff like that,
and we got all the way the opposite free throw line.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
I'm gonna f the whole thing up, the question how much?
How much? We got to do it again now?
Speaker 4 (20:16):
And so we went back and so then I beforehand
I started saying, all right, what was your favorite TV show?
Speaker 2 (20:21):
What do you like to eat?
Speaker 4 (20:21):
You know, just dumb questions, and that way he kind
of knew what was coming.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
So we did it.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
And that's still I think it's the only one we've
ever had to do twice. All of them we've able
to knock out. So over the years, I've kind of
learned like coaches and players sometimes are different. So if
I'm doing it with you, I would just, you know,
while we're getting miked up, while the audio guys micing
us up, I would start asking you, like, hey, you know,
what do you like to do when.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
You're not playing ball or stuff like that. Ask you
about your.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Family, you know, what was your first car? So they
got an idea and maybe the answer will be really
good and dive into it and then we can you know,
then I'll get a better, better clue. So kind of
cluing them in on what's coming without telling them, because
you want it to be somewhat spontaneous. Sure, but I
never thought when we first started doing it, I didn't
think it was going to.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Be this this it's not I'm.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Not saying it's a big I didn't think it would
last this long. And I was getting it was probably
five or six years ago. I'm getting groceries for my
wife and and the checkout person says, hey, you're the
ninety four feet guy, and I was like, you've been
called a lot, but nobody's ever called me that, so
I guess people notice it.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
So it's been fun.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I was going to ask, how many are one take wonders,
but it looks like all.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Of them, Yeah, all of them I mean it's not
that hard of a thing, sure, but you know, I
think getting with them beforehand and giving them least an
idea because sometimes, you know, you might ask him a
question like who's the you know, who's the toughest person
you ever guarded, and they got to go, oh geez,
you know, like kind of your yeah, your question about
what's your favorite Kentucky game, you know, the best Kentucky game,
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Like I've never even thought about that. I really have
to think about that though, so you know, like catching
you caught me off guard with that one. So in
that sort of thing, you don't want to you don't
want to do that because I don't want to do
it again. And oftentimes we're trying to squeeze it into
something like Kentucky fans get on me like I did
one in rup. I think I did one with Rick Barnes,
(22:21):
and I did one with a kid from Kansas before
Kentucky play Kansas, and they're always like, why don't you do
a Kentucky guy, you know, because we you know, Kentucky
won't do it on a game day, and then we
don't have it when we're at the practice facility the
day before to watch practice. We don't have a camera
crew like those guys have to be paid, yes, you know,
(22:42):
and the camera crew is not booked for that day,
so you kind of have to do a day of
the game. And usually the visitors are the ones that
will do it, Like the home team usually doesn't want
their players to do that day of a game. Maybe
things will loosen up with an il, but most coaches
are like not day of the game. Nobody talks to
them day of the game.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Know whatever, superstitions.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Yeah, it's not superstition. It's just it's they want to
control it. Sure, sure, and that's fine. I mean I
don't have it, like, I don't care whether people say
yes or no. It doesn't bother me whether.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
We do it.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
But it's it's oddly enough, it's really fun with the
coaches because they are not you know, you ask a
coach about what was your first car, and they'll wax
poetic about I had a nineteen sixty nine Pontiac Firebird.
It was green and had this kind of interior and
all that.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Well that was ninety four feet Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, the players don't.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
The players oftentimes aren't as forthcoming with stuff.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Well, I hope I hope you'll like this.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
But we kind of picked on off of that ninety
four feet and we do a segment called cats by
ninety co or it's ninety seconds and we do the walking.
Sometimes we sit in a chair and do it. But
you've inspired us to do a segment that's very very creative.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
I'd like to be honest sometimes.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Well, you are very welcome on us, very much welcome
on that segment. Well, Jay, thank you so much for
and on here today. We so appreciate you. Another episode
in the books. Big thank you to Jay Billis for
joining us. You can find him Ja Billis on x
at j Billis And also don't forget to subscribe to
the Behind Kentucky Basketball podcast wherever you find your podcast
and follow the UK Sports Network on social media. This
(24:14):
is Behind Kentucky Basketball, presented by the UK Federal Credit Union.
We'll see you next week.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
It'd be nice to be on x go Katz
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