September 13, 2024 • 18 mins
Wildcat Whip with Tom Leach, Jeff Piecoro & Dick Gabriel pre Georgia.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Behind Kentucky Football, presented by District seven Social.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Welcome to the Wildcat Whips the cambri of Tom Lee,
Jeppicorol as we look ahead to the Kentucky Georgia football
game upcoming Saturday. It's not gonna be easy for the
Wildcats Saturday, but we all know.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
That it's a bit of an understatement.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Yes, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Well, I have covered football for a while, but and
I've said her a week on my show.
Speaker 5 (00:27):
I'm sure you have to and Jeff you or you've
been there.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Players are resilient and on top of that, they don't
have any choice.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
They gotta look at they can't dwell on what happened
last week.
Speaker 6 (00:38):
And you get embarrassed when you're playing a team like
this if you go, you know, if you're kind of
licking your wounds, so to speak. I always point this
out when it's when there's a situation like this, it's
the craziest set of scores.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I don't know the three of us have talked about
this before.
Speaker 6 (00:52):
You go back to and Kentucky head guys like Joe Fettersfield,
Frankly master of the team, Houston Hag.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I think maybe wilber Hackett. I think it was nineteen
sixty nine.
Speaker 6 (01:02):
They opened the season on regional TV against Indiana, being
on TV, big deal, hadn't been on the.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
TV for years.
Speaker 6 (01:08):
Lose fifty eight to thirty to Indiana in the first game.
Next week, Archie Manning and Ole Miss come to town,
an Ole Miss team that would go on to win
the Sugar Bowl, and Kentucky beats some ten to nine.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
That makes no sense.
Speaker 6 (01:22):
Fifty eight to Indiana, nine to Archie Maning and Old Miss.
So if those two sets of scores could once have
happened in the history of the world, then you hang
your hat on hope.
Speaker 7 (01:32):
With the Phil Grier interception. Oh really off about Batty.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I remember delivering newspapers listening to that Indiana game, and
it was so exciting, but I kept thinking, when is
it gonna still? When are they going to stop Indiana
from scoring? Because Kentucky was scaring all right? And then
I here come to the Hoosiers.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
I'm my god, come on.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
And Indiana was good in those days. Yeah, they were
about two years removed from one of the rose Bolt.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
But then I read about I was I didn't come
to a Kentucky football game till I in college, but
then right about what happened next week. It's crazy, But
let's start with what happened last week. Obviously, Jeff, you
always mentioned you talk about it in the post game
set the edge South Carolina owned the edge didn't.
Speaker 8 (02:14):
Yeah, and you know, Tom and I were just talking
a little bit about it, and there were plays where
Kentucky used a tight end and a back to chip.
What a chip is is so the tight end is
gonna go out and before he does, he slams into
that defensive end and then the back steps up like
you know, and like he's gonna box, slams into him
and then he takes off. So the tackle is engaged
(02:37):
with him, and the other guys come up on whack
him a couple of times, and it's supposed to slow
him down, and you know, but there were times when that.
Speaker 7 (02:44):
Especially the freshman, went right through three guys.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
Play the Stewart was amazing. I mean, he is freaking
every good sense of that word. And the other kid
transferred from Georgia, tex So those are two excellent defensive
ends that are new to their program. So I think
it's quite possible. South Carolina with the course of the year,
it turns out to be a legitimately good defense. I
don't think their offense was exactly so I think there'll
be a you know, seven, seven win team. Obviously it's
(03:08):
a game you could they gat no business losing by
that kind of margin, getting dominated the way that it did.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
But it happens.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
So you have to learn from it and find a
way to come back. And Jeff and I were talking
about this of what we're waiting for you to get here.
They have to find We talked about it over the
year two last week, find some kind of identity, for
something to be that you're good at, and then you
can build off of that handsome success running the ball
last week and I just look at the you know,
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take out the sacks. The running game is actually pretty good,
So maybe it'll be that. Although they're a little shorthanded
apparently at running back this week is Jameson Patterson was
on the doubtful list on Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
But how do you how do you do that?
Speaker 8 (03:48):
At what's it called the availability, which.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
Is actually I've come to understand actually that's actually the
way it should be accurate, because if somebody is going
to play. They could be hurt, but they're gonna play.
And there's a difference off being hurt and being injured.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yes, yeah, but getting back to her, and you're right,
you gotta you gotta figure out what you're good at.
But South Carolina took away so much of that. Yeah,
and you gotta think George is gonna at least try
to do.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
The same with better players.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
I wonder if you know, a new offensive coordinator coming in,
and I think you you really, I would assume don't
fully learn about guys and what you can do well
until you're under the.
Speaker 7 (04:30):
Stress of a game against an opponent.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
And they didn't get to learn a lot against the
opponent they played in the first game, but they you know,
maybe you learn as as.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
An OC after that game.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
Okay, I thought we could do this, and clearly we can't.
So let's put that play back, or let's uh, let's
give this guy some extra help or whatever it might be.
Or let's, you know, in the offensive line, take a
look at maybe you know, some of the younger guys.
Give them more of a look, guys that might have
more upside. But you you learn some things that maybe
you thought you u you had that you don't have
(05:02):
to the level that you thought. So you have to adapt.
And so we'll see how they you know, what they
do in that regard this week to do things differently.
Speaker 8 (05:08):
And I still think that in this goes for high school,
college and pros.
Speaker 7 (05:14):
You have to have an identity. What is your identity? Remember?
And remember when when when Klaibran's teams and Curses for.
Speaker 8 (05:21):
That matter, you knew you were in a ballgame when
the game was over. Claiban's teams especially were undersized, undermanned.
But when the game was over herschel Walker be like,
you guys kicked mine.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
I wasn't that more about boot ends?
Speaker 8 (05:35):
Yeah, but but what I what I'm saying, But it
goes both ways because we had great running backs.
Speaker 7 (05:39):
I mean Chris Jones, had he not heard.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
His theme would have been would have been one of
the greatest.
Speaker 7 (05:44):
You know, he was unbelievable.
Speaker 8 (05:46):
We had I mean, you go through the year should
I had on my team my c year we had
four guys that were NFL running backs. Because you throw
Ivy Joe Hunter with the two marks at George Adams,
who was the first what sixteenth player picked I think
to the new York Giants. But so what are you
gonna do? Here's the problem too. It goes back to
you got four different coordinators in four years.
Speaker 7 (06:07):
And you've changed.
Speaker 8 (06:09):
So when when when Gaimo was here and Schlarman, it
was we're gonna run the football.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
That's gonna be the tone, physical offensive line.
Speaker 7 (06:18):
Yeah, tough. Just can I say this badasses? You know
they were just you didn't want to screw with those.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
Kentucky's offensive line and that kind of reputation. You're talking
about some of those Clayburne Kursey defensive fronts, and so
maybe that's what they get back to. Fine, you know,
get get good at something and then repid and we're
this is our identity, this is what we're building on.
Maybe some young guys help you in the offensive line
over the course of a season and you you know,
(06:46):
you you get good at that and then you kind
of expanded from there. Yeah, you gotta you gotta have continuity.
Speaker 8 (06:52):
Yeah, that's the problem because you've changed three times, because
it was twice with Limbs.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
That could be hard calling last week because they getting
anything done much up front, and so what are you
You're constantly living in second third and long and that's
just that's the thing they got to do this week
is somehow figure out a way to stay out of that.
And and I just looking at numbers, they have not
run the ball well against these great Georgia defenses and
researchers right exactly like I Kentucky, Well, I think what
(07:18):
we've done got to find some way.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
I think to be able to have some success.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
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Speaker 2 (07:43):
I think we've talked around the problem. You guys have
touched on it a man. Is the O line which
was out outclass last week. Now you've got a couple
of guys banged up, Lars Cleverson, bunged up, but.
Speaker 7 (07:58):
Banged up.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
So now wow, you've got your backups.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Going in against Georgia.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
And as we talked last week in pregame, you know
your old.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Line basically sets a tone for the entire game, dictates
how much time the defense plays in terms of time
of possession, and exactly right, dictates what you're gonna do
as a football team. You're gonna run it, you're gonna
throw it, a little bit of both, you know. And
I just think that is a monumental task to get
(08:29):
these guys ready this week.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
It is.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
And Georgia's got a couple of defensive linemen they were
on that availability report is listed as one doubtful, one
questionable in their defensive line, so anybody they've got out
as plus. But the thing is, you know, they've got
plenty of depth there, but still a guy's number one
for a reason.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
So if he's not out there, that maybe helps you
a little bit.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
It's just finding some kind of identity and then some
way to kind of have some successful first down plays
because then it it makes it gives you more options
as a play caller, gives you more things to think
about on the defensive side.
Speaker 8 (09:08):
Yeah, but I'll tell you one thing though, I think
second down has been a huge failure because remember first
down you got the it was a dine yard gain
or even and then they then they trey to run
the jet and they lose seven and now it's third
down and nine.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
Wait a minute on that when they said it was
a if Rocks should have pulled it and run it. Yes, yes,
he is at you a first time starter, so you're
gonna you're gonna have some of those issues.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
It's just the learning curve.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
It comes at obviously an accelerated pace in this league.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I thought South Carolina did a great job obviously of
putting the pressure on Rock, which meant they took away
Berry and Brown, didn't.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
They no catches for the first time in his career.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah, but I always think that in a game like that,
could the tight end come to the rescue as a receiver.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
But Jeff, as you pointed out, if you got to.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Keep him in the block and the count, yeah, that
makes it really tough.
Speaker 8 (10:02):
Yeah, because now you're just doing a little, a little
short dump, which look, anything is better than nothing.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
With that, I would think I wondered if they go
more vertical stuff, which maybe you know tight ends, you know,
running backs, whatever, just try if you're gonna go down
the field, getting up the field.
Speaker 8 (10:18):
He's gonna have to need three seconds to sit back
there and wait to get down the field. That's the
only problem. And last week they didn't have three sex.
I mean, we can play it on brock all. We won,
but it's hard to evaluate when you're catching the ball
and the defenders already passed the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 7 (10:37):
You can't stand there, step and throw. You know, you
gotta move, you gotta get out of there. He was
running for his life.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
Plus, he said after the I think it was croc
sit after the game, and maybe his shoulder was a
little his strong shoulder was a little dinged up from
a hit he took the week before, So you know,
maybe he's had an extra week to that's feeling a
little better.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
But again, just feeling good or bad. You know.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
He grew a great pass to Key and another one
that was wiped by a penalty. So there were a
couple of, you know of times he cut it loose,
but there weren't many times where he had time to
do it.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Why don't we shift to the other side of the football,
because you go back and look, it's a ten to
six game at the half. Defense kept them in it.
Stoops admits he made a poor choice fourth down call
gave them a short field. They still hung in there,
but there were breakdowns which were just stunning.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Whenever it happens twice they had.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
People out of position, lack of communication, and with all
the experience back there, you'd think that that would not
happen Tom, but obviously he did.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
Brad White at the interview session Wednesday talked about guys
still times trying to do too much. And I understand
when Jeff you played, so maybe you can talk about
how players get into this mindset.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
You're on the defensive side, you know, you can see
the offense struggling, so.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
You're trying to, you know, come up with an interception,
you know, get a pick six, get a score of
the defense. Whatever you're trying to make something happened, and
that sometimes then that's what causes guys to be left
wide open when you're trying to gamble a little bit
because it's ten to six and if you don't go
for the fourth and one, maybe it's seven to six
there and even though you can't move the ball on offense,
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you're still in it.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
So you're down ten to six.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
You give up number one a first down on fourth
and one, which should have been a legal procedure against
South Carolina. But nevertheless, you still two plays later have
them in third and fourteen. I fear becomes free on.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
A blitz miss Missus guys.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Their quarterback slides and finds a guy wide open. They
score off that drive, seventeen to six.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
Next drive they convert a third and eleven in midfield
and go down and score, and it's twenty four to six.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Ball game.
Speaker 7 (12:40):
Yeah, now you're playing ketchup. And here's the other thing.
Speaker 8 (12:42):
If if his shoulder is sore, guess what I say,
get it right on the sideline, because I've got a
guy that started twenty games. Now I am not going
to second guess because I'm not in the meetings and everything,
But I've got a quarterback that's played in the Big Ten,
which is a pretty dark good league. Last time I look,
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and he started twenty games, he's played against Michigan, started this, he.
Speaker 7 (13:06):
Played agast Ohio State. Yeah, he's played. Put him in there.
If I got a guy staked up, because you al.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Still got feet that can carry him away from problem.
Speaker 8 (13:14):
So I'm saying, first game, remember we all kind of
got on Brock Park.
Speaker 7 (13:18):
You're gonna take those hits.
Speaker 8 (13:20):
And I think he was a little Gunshine game too,
because everybody got on him for game runs.
Speaker 7 (13:24):
I think he's like, I'm just gonna give it up.
But you've got a guy that's used to that kind
of an offense and your offense line struggling.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
The more you can scramble and freelance correct from the
quarterback position, the better.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Well, now they're facing two an opposing quarterback who some
believe is the best in the country. He may play
the best in the country because he is surrounded by
some of the best in the country.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
But Carson Beck doesn't make many mistakes.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
And as Brad White said, George has been making plays
for a long time and Beck may be even better
than sets in Bennett.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
So you got to get to him.
Speaker 7 (13:57):
You can't let him.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
As Guymo used to say, sit back there, packet football.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Yeah, got it.
Speaker 7 (14:01):
What a challenge.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
Big day for Dean Walker would be a big help. Well, yeah,
he was really good last week, but still to be Yeah,
Kentucky had twelve tackles for loss, actually more than South
Carolina did, so try to get some pressure on him.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Course a mistake.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
But the thing about Beck is that the you don't
get pressure on you know, he's got a lot of
talented guys. He just kind of surveys the field and
picks you apart like he kind of like he did
last year down there.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
I remember that game last year.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
Remember Kentucky had a couple of drops early that could
have been for big first downs, one maybe or two
into Georgia territory. And then I think it may have
been Dione. They got frustrated and got a fifteen yard
penalty that maybe nullifier first down.
Speaker 7 (14:46):
Kind of after the play was passed him and he.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Can't do those.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
You gotta be extra sharp on all that kind of
stuff to have a shot in this game, because you
want to try to be as perfect as you can.
Hopefully they don't, they make a mistake or two and
you just kind of hang around and other than last year,
I mean, Kentucky has done that in this series.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
In uh, some of the other matchups Suckers and rain
would help well a few years ago.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
But jeffast that's true.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
But on my show this week, you referenced three years
ago when a live play and the ball was laying
there and nobody was going for it, and you flash
on that last week when twice South Carolina fumbles and
Kentucky was the closest.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
To the ball but couldn't come up with it.
Speaker 7 (15:33):
Yeah yeah, and you're right.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
So what happens in athletes if somebody falls on that football,
picks it up and run two.
Speaker 7 (15:40):
Several runs to score. Ye know you, you.
Speaker 8 (15:44):
John Crop, you will to always tell you what what
was the most important thing in the game. Hang on
the turnovers, right, turnovers? And look here, here's what Kentucky
is going for. You got blown out by a team
that you were a ten point favorite. Everybody thinks you're
not worth squat, right, So now you've got pride to
play for, and the pride of this is the number
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one team in the country.
Speaker 7 (16:05):
I want to prove to those guys.
Speaker 8 (16:07):
It's almost like when Eastern comes in here. Those guys
want to play good because you didn't recruit me. You know,
we got a lot of Georgia guys on this.
Speaker 6 (16:14):
You got Kentucky guys that aspire to play correct at
the next level.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
It's what the Georgia guys do. And so resume take time,
I guess these guys.
Speaker 7 (16:22):
Yeah, well, well here you brought this. You bring this
up all the time when we're talking about it.
Speaker 8 (16:27):
Why did Will Levis go so high in the draft
because of the loss right to Georgia.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
That game at Georgia, where he handled things, he managed things,
didn't make mistakes, and he probably played, according to the
experts better. He handled Georgia better than anybody else handled
Georgia that year in regular season play.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
And Kentucky hung around to that guy.
Speaker 7 (16:49):
Yes, it was a very close game.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Can they hang around in this game?
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (16:53):
What happens?
Speaker 5 (16:54):
What has to happen for the Wildcats in a nutshell?
Speaker 6 (16:57):
Tom anytime you're a bit big under uh win a
turnover battle.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yeah, he's a big place to start.
Speaker 6 (17:03):
And don't make the penalties that just kill like that,
just kill your drives. Last week, you know they had
an license completion, the key wiped off by an illegal shift. Yeah,
a couple of holding penalties. Maybe the play worked out
well because of the whole So that's that is what
it is. But you know, illegal shifts illegal, You know,
a little procedure, Control the things you can control, and
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then just try to hang around and be a pest
to a team like that and then at some point
maybe they blink and and that's how you pull off
the upset.
Speaker 8 (17:35):
Yeah, you've got to stay ahead of the change. You
cannot continue to be second at nine, third, nine. That's
just that's the way these teams, when you play these
great teams, the top five six teams in the country,
that's they wait for that moment because that's when they pounced,
and you've got to get ahead of those chants and
keep him.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
From doing that.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
That'll do it for now. Thanks for joining us. We'll
see you next week for Jeff the Coorrel, Tom Lee,
John Dick Gave Will Let's do it. See you next
week on the Wildcat Weapon
Speaker 8 (18:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Welcome to the Wildcat Whips the cambri of Tom Lee,
Jeppicorol as we look ahead to the Kentucky Georgia football
game upcoming Saturday. It's not gonna be easy for the
Wildcats Saturday, but we all know.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
That it's a bit of an understatement.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Yes, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Well, I have covered football for a while, but and
I've said her a week on my show.
Speaker 5 (00:27):
I'm sure you have to and Jeff you or you've
been there.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Players are resilient and on top of that, they don't
have any choice.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
They gotta look at they can't dwell on what happened
last week.
Speaker 6 (00:38):
And you get embarrassed when you're playing a team like
this if you go, you know, if you're kind of
licking your wounds, so to speak. I always point this
out when it's when there's a situation like this, it's
the craziest set of scores.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I don't know the three of us have talked about
this before.
Speaker 6 (00:52):
You go back to and Kentucky head guys like Joe Fettersfield,
Frankly master of the team, Houston Hag.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I think maybe wilber Hackett. I think it was nineteen
sixty nine.
Speaker 6 (01:02):
They opened the season on regional TV against Indiana, being
on TV, big deal, hadn't been on the.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
TV for years.
Speaker 6 (01:08):
Lose fifty eight to thirty to Indiana in the first game.
Next week, Archie Manning and Ole Miss come to town,
an Ole Miss team that would go on to win
the Sugar Bowl, and Kentucky beats some ten to nine.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
That makes no sense.
Speaker 6 (01:22):
Fifty eight to Indiana, nine to Archie Maning and Old Miss.
So if those two sets of scores could once have
happened in the history of the world, then you hang
your hat on hope.
Speaker 7 (01:32):
With the Phil Grier interception. Oh really off about Batty.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I remember delivering newspapers listening to that Indiana game, and
it was so exciting, but I kept thinking, when is
it gonna still? When are they going to stop Indiana
from scoring? Because Kentucky was scaring all right? And then
I here come to the Hoosiers.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
I'm my god, come on.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
And Indiana was good in those days. Yeah, they were
about two years removed from one of the rose Bolt.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
But then I read about I was I didn't come
to a Kentucky football game till I in college, but
then right about what happened next week. It's crazy, But
let's start with what happened last week. Obviously, Jeff, you
always mentioned you talk about it in the post game
set the edge South Carolina owned the edge didn't.
Speaker 8 (02:14):
Yeah, and you know, Tom and I were just talking
a little bit about it, and there were plays where
Kentucky used a tight end and a back to chip.
What a chip is is so the tight end is
gonna go out and before he does, he slams into
that defensive end and then the back steps up like
you know, and like he's gonna box, slams into him
and then he takes off. So the tackle is engaged
(02:37):
with him, and the other guys come up on whack
him a couple of times, and it's supposed to slow
him down, and you know, but there were times when that.
Speaker 7 (02:44):
Especially the freshman, went right through three guys.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
Play the Stewart was amazing. I mean, he is freaking
every good sense of that word. And the other kid
transferred from Georgia, tex So those are two excellent defensive
ends that are new to their program. So I think
it's quite possible. South Carolina with the course of the year,
it turns out to be a legitimately good defense. I
don't think their offense was exactly so I think there'll
be a you know, seven, seven win team. Obviously it's
(03:08):
a game you could they gat no business losing by
that kind of margin, getting dominated the way that it did.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
But it happens.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
So you have to learn from it and find a
way to come back. And Jeff and I were talking
about this of what we're waiting for you to get here.
They have to find We talked about it over the
year two last week, find some kind of identity, for
something to be that you're good at, and then you
can build off of that handsome success running the ball
last week and I just look at the you know,
(03:36):
take out the sacks. The running game is actually pretty good,
So maybe it'll be that. Although they're a little shorthanded
apparently at running back this week is Jameson Patterson was
on the doubtful list on Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
But how do you how do you do that?
Speaker 8 (03:48):
At what's it called the availability, which.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
Is actually I've come to understand actually that's actually the
way it should be accurate, because if somebody is going
to play. They could be hurt, but they're gonna play.
And there's a difference off being hurt and being injured.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yes, yeah, but getting back to her, and you're right,
you gotta you gotta figure out what you're good at.
But South Carolina took away so much of that. Yeah,
and you gotta think George is gonna at least try
to do.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
The same with better players.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
I wonder if you know, a new offensive coordinator coming in,
and I think you you really, I would assume don't
fully learn about guys and what you can do well
until you're under the.
Speaker 7 (04:30):
Stress of a game against an opponent.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
And they didn't get to learn a lot against the
opponent they played in the first game, but they you know,
maybe you learn as as.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
An OC after that game.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
Okay, I thought we could do this, and clearly we can't.
So let's put that play back, or let's uh, let's
give this guy some extra help or whatever it might be.
Or let's, you know, in the offensive line, take a
look at maybe you know, some of the younger guys.
Give them more of a look, guys that might have
more upside. But you you learn some things that maybe
you thought you u you had that you don't have
(05:02):
to the level that you thought. So you have to adapt.
And so we'll see how they you know, what they
do in that regard this week to do things differently.
Speaker 8 (05:08):
And I still think that in this goes for high school,
college and pros.
Speaker 7 (05:14):
You have to have an identity. What is your identity? Remember?
And remember when when when Klaibran's teams and Curses for.
Speaker 8 (05:21):
That matter, you knew you were in a ballgame when
the game was over. Claiban's teams especially were undersized, undermanned.
But when the game was over herschel Walker be like,
you guys kicked mine.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
I wasn't that more about boot ends?
Speaker 8 (05:35):
Yeah, but but what I what I'm saying, But it
goes both ways because we had great running backs.
Speaker 7 (05:39):
I mean Chris Jones, had he not heard.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
His theme would have been would have been one of
the greatest.
Speaker 7 (05:44):
You know, he was unbelievable.
Speaker 8 (05:46):
We had I mean, you go through the year should
I had on my team my c year we had
four guys that were NFL running backs. Because you throw
Ivy Joe Hunter with the two marks at George Adams,
who was the first what sixteenth player picked I think
to the new York Giants. But so what are you
gonna do? Here's the problem too. It goes back to
you got four different coordinators in four years.
Speaker 7 (06:07):
And you've changed.
Speaker 8 (06:09):
So when when when Gaimo was here and Schlarman, it
was we're gonna run the football.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
That's gonna be the tone, physical offensive line.
Speaker 7 (06:18):
Yeah, tough. Just can I say this badasses? You know
they were just you didn't want to screw with those.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
Kentucky's offensive line and that kind of reputation. You're talking
about some of those Clayburne Kursey defensive fronts, and so
maybe that's what they get back to. Fine, you know,
get get good at something and then repid and we're
this is our identity, this is what we're building on.
Maybe some young guys help you in the offensive line
over the course of a season and you you know,
(06:46):
you you get good at that and then you kind
of expanded from there. Yeah, you gotta you gotta have continuity.
Speaker 8 (06:52):
Yeah, that's the problem because you've changed three times, because
it was twice with Limbs.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
That could be hard calling last week because they getting
anything done much up front, and so what are you
You're constantly living in second third and long and that's
just that's the thing they got to do this week
is somehow figure out a way to stay out of that.
And and I just looking at numbers, they have not
run the ball well against these great Georgia defenses and
researchers right exactly like I Kentucky, Well, I think what
(07:18):
we've done got to find some way.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
I think to be able to have some success.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
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Speaker 2 (07:43):
I think we've talked around the problem. You guys have
touched on it a man. Is the O line which
was out outclass last week. Now you've got a couple
of guys banged up, Lars Cleverson, bunged up, but.
Speaker 7 (07:58):
Banged up.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
So now wow, you've got your backups.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Going in against Georgia.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
And as we talked last week in pregame, you know
your old.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Line basically sets a tone for the entire game, dictates
how much time the defense plays in terms of time
of possession, and exactly right, dictates what you're gonna do
as a football team. You're gonna run it, you're gonna
throw it, a little bit of both, you know. And
I just think that is a monumental task to get
(08:29):
these guys ready this week.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
It is.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
And Georgia's got a couple of defensive linemen they were
on that availability report is listed as one doubtful, one
questionable in their defensive line, so anybody they've got out
as plus. But the thing is, you know, they've got
plenty of depth there, but still a guy's number one
for a reason.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
So if he's not out there, that maybe helps you
a little bit.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
It's just finding some kind of identity and then some
way to kind of have some successful first down plays
because then it it makes it gives you more options
as a play caller, gives you more things to think
about on the defensive side.
Speaker 8 (09:08):
Yeah, but I'll tell you one thing though, I think
second down has been a huge failure because remember first
down you got the it was a dine yard gain
or even and then they then they trey to run
the jet and they lose seven and now it's third
down and nine.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
Wait a minute on that when they said it was
a if Rocks should have pulled it and run it. Yes, yes,
he is at you a first time starter, so you're
gonna you're gonna have some of those issues.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
It's just the learning curve.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
It comes at obviously an accelerated pace in this league.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I thought South Carolina did a great job obviously of
putting the pressure on Rock, which meant they took away
Berry and Brown, didn't.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
They no catches for the first time in his career.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah, but I always think that in a game like that,
could the tight end come to the rescue as a receiver.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
But Jeff, as you pointed out, if you got to.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Keep him in the block and the count, yeah, that
makes it really tough.
Speaker 8 (10:02):
Yeah, because now you're just doing a little, a little
short dump, which look, anything is better than nothing.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
With that, I would think I wondered if they go
more vertical stuff, which maybe you know tight ends, you know,
running backs, whatever, just try if you're gonna go down
the field, getting up the field.
Speaker 8 (10:18):
He's gonna have to need three seconds to sit back
there and wait to get down the field. That's the
only problem. And last week they didn't have three sex.
I mean, we can play it on brock all. We won,
but it's hard to evaluate when you're catching the ball
and the defenders already passed the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 7 (10:37):
You can't stand there, step and throw. You know, you
gotta move, you gotta get out of there. He was
running for his life.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
Plus, he said after the I think it was croc
sit after the game, and maybe his shoulder was a
little his strong shoulder was a little dinged up from
a hit he took the week before, So you know,
maybe he's had an extra week to that's feeling a
little better.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
But again, just feeling good or bad. You know.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
He grew a great pass to Key and another one
that was wiped by a penalty. So there were a
couple of, you know of times he cut it loose,
but there weren't many times where he had time to
do it.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Why don't we shift to the other side of the football,
because you go back and look, it's a ten to
six game at the half. Defense kept them in it.
Stoops admits he made a poor choice fourth down call
gave them a short field. They still hung in there,
but there were breakdowns which were just stunning.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Whenever it happens twice they had.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
People out of position, lack of communication, and with all
the experience back there, you'd think that that would not
happen Tom, but obviously he did.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
Brad White at the interview session Wednesday talked about guys
still times trying to do too much. And I understand
when Jeff you played, so maybe you can talk about
how players get into this mindset.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
You're on the defensive side, you know, you can see
the offense struggling, so.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
You're trying to, you know, come up with an interception,
you know, get a pick six, get a score of
the defense. Whatever you're trying to make something happened, and
that sometimes then that's what causes guys to be left
wide open when you're trying to gamble a little bit
because it's ten to six and if you don't go
for the fourth and one, maybe it's seven to six
there and even though you can't move the ball on offense,
(12:13):
you're still in it.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
So you're down ten to six.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
You give up number one a first down on fourth
and one, which should have been a legal procedure against
South Carolina. But nevertheless, you still two plays later have
them in third and fourteen. I fear becomes free on.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
A blitz miss Missus guys.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Their quarterback slides and finds a guy wide open. They
score off that drive, seventeen to six.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
Next drive they convert a third and eleven in midfield
and go down and score, and it's twenty four to six.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Ball game.
Speaker 7 (12:40):
Yeah, now you're playing ketchup. And here's the other thing.
Speaker 8 (12:42):
If if his shoulder is sore, guess what I say,
get it right on the sideline, because I've got a
guy that started twenty games. Now I am not going
to second guess because I'm not in the meetings and everything,
But I've got a quarterback that's played in the Big Ten,
which is a pretty dark good league. Last time I look,
(13:03):
and he started twenty games, he's played against Michigan, started this, he.
Speaker 7 (13:06):
Played agast Ohio State. Yeah, he's played. Put him in there.
If I got a guy staked up, because you al.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Still got feet that can carry him away from problem.
Speaker 8 (13:14):
So I'm saying, first game, remember we all kind of
got on Brock Park.
Speaker 7 (13:18):
You're gonna take those hits.
Speaker 8 (13:20):
And I think he was a little Gunshine game too,
because everybody got on him for game runs.
Speaker 7 (13:24):
I think he's like, I'm just gonna give it up.
But you've got a guy that's used to that kind
of an offense and your offense line struggling.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
The more you can scramble and freelance correct from the
quarterback position, the better.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Well, now they're facing two an opposing quarterback who some
believe is the best in the country. He may play
the best in the country because he is surrounded by
some of the best in the country.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
But Carson Beck doesn't make many mistakes.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
And as Brad White said, George has been making plays
for a long time and Beck may be even better
than sets in Bennett.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
So you got to get to him.
Speaker 7 (13:57):
You can't let him.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
As Guymo used to say, sit back there, packet football.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Yeah, got it.
Speaker 7 (14:01):
What a challenge.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
Big day for Dean Walker would be a big help. Well, yeah,
he was really good last week, but still to be Yeah,
Kentucky had twelve tackles for loss, actually more than South
Carolina did, so try to get some pressure on him.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Course a mistake.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
But the thing about Beck is that the you don't
get pressure on you know, he's got a lot of
talented guys. He just kind of surveys the field and
picks you apart like he kind of like he did
last year down there.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
I remember that game last year.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
Remember Kentucky had a couple of drops early that could
have been for big first downs, one maybe or two
into Georgia territory. And then I think it may have
been Dione. They got frustrated and got a fifteen yard
penalty that maybe nullifier first down.
Speaker 7 (14:46):
Kind of after the play was passed him and he.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Can't do those.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
You gotta be extra sharp on all that kind of
stuff to have a shot in this game, because you
want to try to be as perfect as you can.
Hopefully they don't, they make a mistake or two and
you just kind of hang around and other than last year,
I mean, Kentucky has done that in this series.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
In uh, some of the other matchups Suckers and rain
would help well a few years ago.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
But jeffast that's true.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
But on my show this week, you referenced three years
ago when a live play and the ball was laying
there and nobody was going for it, and you flash
on that last week when twice South Carolina fumbles and
Kentucky was the closest.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
To the ball but couldn't come up with it.
Speaker 7 (15:33):
Yeah yeah, and you're right.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
So what happens in athletes if somebody falls on that football,
picks it up and run two.
Speaker 7 (15:40):
Several runs to score. Ye know you, you.
Speaker 8 (15:44):
John Crop, you will to always tell you what what
was the most important thing in the game. Hang on
the turnovers, right, turnovers? And look here, here's what Kentucky
is going for. You got blown out by a team
that you were a ten point favorite. Everybody thinks you're
not worth squat, right, So now you've got pride to
play for, and the pride of this is the number
(16:04):
one team in the country.
Speaker 7 (16:05):
I want to prove to those guys.
Speaker 8 (16:07):
It's almost like when Eastern comes in here. Those guys
want to play good because you didn't recruit me. You know,
we got a lot of Georgia guys on this.
Speaker 6 (16:14):
You got Kentucky guys that aspire to play correct at
the next level.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
It's what the Georgia guys do. And so resume take time,
I guess these guys.
Speaker 7 (16:22):
Yeah, well, well here you brought this. You bring this
up all the time when we're talking about it.
Speaker 8 (16:27):
Why did Will Levis go so high in the draft
because of the loss right to Georgia.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
That game at Georgia, where he handled things, he managed things,
didn't make mistakes, and he probably played, according to the
experts better. He handled Georgia better than anybody else handled
Georgia that year in regular season play.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
And Kentucky hung around to that guy.
Speaker 7 (16:49):
Yes, it was a very close game.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Can they hang around in this game?
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (16:53):
What happens?
Speaker 5 (16:54):
What has to happen for the Wildcats in a nutshell?
Speaker 6 (16:57):
Tom anytime you're a bit big under uh win a
turnover battle.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yeah, he's a big place to start.
Speaker 6 (17:03):
And don't make the penalties that just kill like that,
just kill your drives. Last week, you know they had
an license completion, the key wiped off by an illegal shift. Yeah,
a couple of holding penalties. Maybe the play worked out
well because of the whole So that's that is what
it is. But you know, illegal shifts illegal, You know,
a little procedure, Control the things you can control, and
(17:26):
then just try to hang around and be a pest
to a team like that and then at some point
maybe they blink and and that's how you pull off
the upset.
Speaker 8 (17:35):
Yeah, you've got to stay ahead of the change. You
cannot continue to be second at nine, third, nine. That's
just that's the way these teams, when you play these
great teams, the top five six teams in the country,
that's they wait for that moment because that's when they pounced,
and you've got to get ahead of those chants and
keep him.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
From doing that.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
That'll do it for now. Thanks for joining us. We'll
see you next week for Jeff the Coorrel, Tom Lee,
John Dick Gave Will Let's do it. See you next
week on the Wildcat Weapon
Speaker 8 (18:05):
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