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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Careful clock clocker boy, so cool to be playing on
took to wreck it off the tire table. Are you
ready for this?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Welcome to Behind the Vinyl. Here's your host, Stu Jeffreys.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Here we are another opportunity to learn about your favorite
musicians and their's stories behind their biggest songs. In a
few minutes, Canadian rappers Snow pops in to chat about
his number one song in Former and how life event
became his muse for the song.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
I was found not guilty by a jury, got out,
got charged again, got bail, went to New York. He
was on the street corner in Queen's Jamaica Queens and
I saw m Sushann more.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
On this story coming up. We kicked this episode off
with a guy who is no stranger to Behind the Vinyl.
In past episodes he's been with it doesn't really matter,
standing in the dark, situation critical and now Somebody Somewhere
here's Mark Holmes, a platinum block.
Speaker 5 (00:55):
What can I say about Somebody Somewhat. It's a song
that went through also a lot of changes in the
production style. Weren't exactly sure how we're going to do it.
I remember I was I really like Keith, Keith force Ars,
Keith Forcey, I think yes, his production style with Billy
(01:17):
Idol and psycholic furs. So we wanted to have a
saxophone somewhere. Everybody had a saxophone at that time, and
we fell into it. It was almost like, well, I
need that you know, jacket with those padded shoulders, because
everybody's got one and I want one sort of thing.
Speaker 6 (01:35):
You know.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
Uh, this really took us in a new direction of music.
I mean went from a three piece band adding Kenny,
and then all of a sudden adding more instruments and
and and having them sort of featured anyway. The late
Earl Seymour played saxophone in this, and it was it
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was interesting. It's nice to go in the studio late
at night, you have a few drinks. It's like it
was like being out with the lads. It was just
such an amazing thing. And you've got people dropping in
and listening as we're making the record, and nice girls
hanging about a you know, man, if we were lucky,
we didn't really trap the girls.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
That man so much. I jest.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
And there was this place across across the street from
Metal Works Studios, the silliest name. I can't even remember
what it was. It's just one of those I can't remember.
But anyway, we'd always be looking forward to the break
and you go over there, have a few drinks and
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come back and you know, make records. And this one
here was amazing. And he had a glass of Scotch
which was eventually on his downfall cigarette Richie could smoke
inside back then, and you played this wonderful, wonderful solo.
(03:09):
And this the video we did in Los Angeles while
making a video. Alan Hale Junior was just kind of
walking by and said hi, eating the skipped from Gilligan's Island, and.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
He was in the video with us.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
It was amazing, said well, this is great, and of
course they wanted the Hollywood sign and all that kind
of stuff, and it was nice being I think it
was I think it might be my first time in
Hollywood did this and then I ended up, you know,
dating Nancy and living off for quite a while. But
(03:53):
it was interesting because the video itself, like most of
our videos, weren't really our idea. We wanted to do
something else and never went because we're just kids. Nobody
ever took it seriously. They liked the songs, they liked
the content, but they for some reason they wouldn't allow
us to have too much input in the videos. So
(04:15):
I think the video lacked a little bit of a direction.
But it was really cool seeing I mean the producers,
I mean, they did so many great videos back then,
and it was nice to have that kind of a production.
I mean, we spent more on the next record as
far as this. You know, we did Contact that was
just a insane video with hundreds of extras. It maybe
(04:41):
sometimes it may sometimes take away from the actual song itself,
but this one was nice to me. I felt I
were making a Hollywood movie, and I've always adored Hollywood,
which you know, Platinum Blonde, I mean it's a Hollywood name.
Really when you think about it, it's a Hollywood film,
and it sort of brought us for Circle maybe even
(05:01):
though we never really circled around the end very often.
And that's the end of side one. Very sad to
see that side end.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Platinum Blonds. Mark Holmes with somebody somewhere, I'm behind the
vinyl of the podcast. Thanks for the download. I'm Stu Jeffries,
your host and still Ahead Snow with informer ear warmer alert.
You'll have that too, bouncing around all day after you
hear it. Before we get to that Canadian West Coaster,
Barney Bentall shed some light on his hit something to
Live For.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
God.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
You gotta love Vinyl this. It's interesting. I love seeing
the Epic label. And I remember when we made this record.
Speaker 7 (05:52):
And it was going to come out a Columby and
I think, being a you know, Bob Dylan freaking all
these Bruce springs in the Columbia label, I thought, damn,
I really wanted it on that red label.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
But then this, I saw this, and I thought, oh,
that's just so just a.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
Complete utter dream come true.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
And it's interesting.
Speaker 7 (06:14):
We made this record in Vancouver at Mushroom Studios, and
it's funny, I've just completed a record at Mushroom Studios
in how many from nineteen almost.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Thirty years later, I guess close to.
Speaker 7 (06:25):
That, and we back then, you know, I just made
this record, probably ten days of recording, and back then
we did six weeks. It seemed like it was two
weeks before we'd even laid down a note. And I
very distinctly remember coming out the last night and getting
my car's December night in Vancouver, rainy and playing at
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cassette version of this song, and I thought, oh, I
don't this.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
What did we do we spend all this time? I don't.
I can't understand. This doesn't seem good. Then I remember
when I came the first time I heard on the radio.
Speaker 7 (07:02):
And I was it was out at somebody's cottage and
out in a boat.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
It was blasting from these speakers.
Speaker 7 (07:07):
I thought this could work, and it had that sort
of summertime feel.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
And I've never I've never gotten.
Speaker 7 (07:13):
Tired of a listening to this song or playing it
in all its different iterations, whether it's just me and
a guitar with.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
The legendary hearts, because.
Speaker 7 (07:26):
I don't know if I don't want this to be corny,
but I was so I had four young kids at
the time I made this. I was about to quit.
Not because it didn't I love music. Music is my passion,
but I just felt I couldn't do it. Were we
just had no money, and we'd lived that way for
so long, and and and this was the last ditch attempt.
(07:48):
And this, this all of a sudden changed my life
from being just kind of a bar band in Vancouver
to being able to tour across the land and get
a chance to be acquainted to this this this.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Created Canada such a wonderful country.
Speaker 7 (08:05):
I it's it's a song about again. I was writing
my good buddy was writing.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Uh lyrics, so.
Speaker 7 (08:15):
You know, before records down down the road, I started
writing lyrics myself because it was there's something I really
wanted to do. But this this was a lyric that
that it was kind of tongue in cheek.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
It was it was a bit ironic.
Speaker 7 (08:28):
About this guy who was living at home and and
was uh not not really a character that you'd you'd
really gravitate towards or would be any kind of hero figure.
And oddly enough it just became it. It seemed to
strike a different chord.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
And uh, you know I've talked or alluded to this before.
Speaker 7 (08:50):
You can't you another example that you can't determine, predetermine
how people are going to view what your art or
what they're gonna, what they're gonna, how they're going.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
To take it.
Speaker 7 (09:02):
And so it just had this kind of inspirational quality
and that was the music, and and it sort of
embodied and this.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
This guitar solo, I mean, we did something. It was unusual.
Speaker 7 (09:13):
It was a long guitar solo and at the end
and and.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
And still this day, I just love playing it. I
never get tired of playing this song. Which is which is?
I guess a testament to it? And ah wonderful.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
You know the producer of this record was crazy guy.
He just produced, he'd he.
Speaker 7 (09:37):
Worked with with, He did Naruta with with Tom Cochrane,
one of my favorite records, and worked with Peter Gabriel
and as a young kid ran Ringo Stars studio.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
But just I'm running out of time. It's a fade. Uh.
Something to live for.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Barney Ben's always something to live for Behind Vinyl the
podcast So when life deals your lemons, write and perform
a rap song and have it landed the number one
spot on Billboard Record Charts for seven weeks. Here's Snow
with how his massive hit Informer came to be.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Second time ALF in the block.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
You know what I'm saying, you'll snow.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
They came around looking for.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
You the other day, all right. Informer nineteen eighty.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Nine got charged with two attap murders, went to jail
for two attack murders. Wrote that little piece Informer that said,
I stabbed somebody that part. I was found not guilty
by a jury, got out, got charged again, got bail,
went to New York. He was on the street corner
in Queens, Jamaica, Queens, and I saw M Sushan, who
(10:50):
I love Shan.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
And I was like, Shan. He was like, let me
hear what you can do. And I was like well.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
He was like, yo, you got to come to my house.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
So I was like, all right, let's go to Shane.
You know, I'm just I didn't want to make a
record at this time.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
I wasn't planning to be an artist. But when I
saw Shann and when he took me back to his
house and he taught me everything about harmonies and music
and writing and everything, so I was like okay. And
he loved this because it used to be on the
record it says a leky boom boom down, but when
I first started, when I wrote, it was a skitty
(11:21):
boom boom down, and shames to love that. Shames to
say a skilly boom boom down.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
To everywhere we went.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
So we went back to his house, did the album,
but I was on bail for the other charge, so
we did the video in former video at Silver Cup Studio.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Never been in front of a camera before. I'm doing
my video thing.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Go back to the record company, sign all the deals
and everything worn in New York City, seventy five Rockefeller
and then I told.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Him I have charges back home that I got to go.
But I'll probably only get a couple months, you know,
I mean, it won't be too long.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
So they said all right, So flew back to Toronto,
got the UH.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
They judge gave me a year.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Another year, so I went to jail for the year
and I did eight months out of the year. But
the seventh month is when they started to UH to
release my informer single. So a guy who was in
jail with me, he got out and then he.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Saw it on Rap City.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
So he phoned me, because you could phone the bubble
in jail and you leave a message.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
And I get the message, I'll go for the back.
What's going on breath? He's like, I saw your video.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
I'm like, n man, real it's not out yet. He's like,
I saw it. It's all Rap City. It's gonna be
on because on Friday and Saturday we get to stay
up late and watch TV the TV shows and then
after the TV show, we watched Rap City because it
repeats on to the night time. Everybody else will go
into their cells all the night. But this night they
heard snows on on on Rap City.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I told me, I'm like, all right.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
I told a couple of people and they're like, oh snow.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I was like, oh shit, I hope it's me.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Then I heard Ben and then and then and I
came out and it was the TV was up here
and everybody was there in jail past, and I was
singing informer and everybody loved it, even the bikers, where
I was like, give me an autogra I'm like, all right,
got out, limousine picked me up, got out, and then
it went number one in the world. So I started flying,
(13:15):
going to Italy, Paris Rome, and went to Germany, everywhere, everywhere.
And then because of my past the jail, America threw
me out in ninety three for life. Then Japan threw
me out for life, which I just got back in
a couple of years ago to America.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
So they started to really my career kind.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Of you know, my record company and a radio wouldn't
play me and all that kind of stuff because I
couldn't get down there and do their things, which I
understand so kind of you know.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
But this guy here, I'm s shan Is. That's the
guy who taught me. You know. Three there's three seans.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Sean O'Brien, my brother, Sean McCoy.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
And Sean Moki. These are the three seans that really
gave me the music. So that was it.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
So that's really it about the Informer song, you know.
And I didn't turn informer, you know. So I wrote
the song and what number one And the biggest thing
is is that it went. I was in a bar
and a Jamaican guy came and say, oh, no, you're
in the Guinness. I said, well, he said, you're in
the Guinness Book of World Records.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
I'm like no, and I checked and I'm like, oh
my god, I'm in the Guinness Book.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
So I was really proud.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
About that because of the.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Of the Irish, you know. And then the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Inducted this song and last night, and that was such
a big honor for them to ask me, you know,
to see the Canadian peers recognize and.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Give me love like that.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
So that's what it is about the Informer, and that's
the song Informer.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I didn't turn informer, but that's what it's about.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
That was snow with Informer. Wrapping up another episode of
BTV the Podcast. I'm Stu Jeffries. Thanks for listening. If
you enjoyed this episode, chances are pretty good you'll like
our other ones.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Check them out when you get a chance.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Okay, we'll catch up again shortly.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
This has been Behind the Vine Older podcast hosted by
Stuve Jeffries. Audio p production courtesy of Doug Morehouse, Derek
Welsman and Troy McCallum. Thanks for listening.