April 9, 2025 • 37 mins
In the first episode for 2025, we talk to netball superstar Grace Nweke from her new base at the NSW Swifts in Sydney. We review her impressive first game in Super Netball, shooting over 50 goals and how she is navigating playing alongside her former fierce rivals. She also reveals whether she wants to play for the Silver Ferns again.
Plus, we discuss the new rules coming to the ANZ Premiership and we give them a yay or a nay!
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Former Silver Ferns Adine Wilson and Anna Stanley along with commentator Jenny Woods drill down on the big issues and celebrate the big moment.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Inside, therefore getting you closer to the game you love
with Adean Wilson, Anna Stanley and Jenny wood so By
News Talks ab.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Got Da Koto and welcome to our very first episode
of Inside Netball for twenty twenty five. It is fabulous
to be back and we're certainly looking forward to the
season ahead, and it's great to be recording in our
new studio here also at mzmy. And of course it
is the Inside Needy team minus Gen. Today we do
have a former Silver Fans captain Adean Wilson and can
(00:30):
I just say current Premier netball player over.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
On the shore with us day down? What have I done?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
It's literally taking me all week to recover. I got surprised.
I did not know we had to play grading on
a concretecord. To be fair, it has been decades since
I've played outside. I take my hat off. There was wind,
there was battling the elements, and it wasn't just one
game but two, and one of them was like, wasn't
it early in the morning on Saturday? And I'm good
(00:57):
with early. Early's totally fine. It was weir and so yes,
you know, we're very fortunate we've got a team full
of former Ferns and all of us turned up and
looked at a wet outdoor court and almost turned around
and got back in our cars. But we did it.
We won and I cannot believe it. We're in prem ones.
What have we done?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Well?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
You didn't just win, you walloped the team.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
So very impressive and we will keep you up to
date here on the Inside Netble Chats this year. As
to Adan's progress, well, of course, the season kicks in
to get in just a few more weeks. The ain
Z Premiership sun Corps super Netbulk got under way last weekend.
Our very own Grace and Neweki made her Premiership debut
for the Swifts. Jenny and Adan were fortunate enough to
catch up with Grace with a quick interview after that
(01:41):
Round one performance, and we will bring you that chat
in today's episode. We'll talk about what's been happening in
the netball world over the last few months, plus the
rule changes taking on the a Zed Premiership this year.
The Inside Needy team will give you a yay or
a nay for the four rule changes that will take place.
But firstly, she really is our golden girl. The Swifts
(02:03):
came away with the first round one over the Fever
in the sun Court by whopping eighteen goals.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Here's our amazing.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Grace inside Nile Grace and Wiki welcome to Inside Nipple
and Wow, what a debut only a few days ago.
Talk us through the nerves or were no extra nerves
than what you're used to having stepping out on court.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
There were definitely nerves. They kind of came quite late.
I think I didn't really take stock of the fact
that I was making my debut up until maybe like
a few days up from the game. I've putten a
whole preseason being like I'm so ready to play, and
I kind of forgot that playing it's going to be
for the first time, which means making a debut and
kind of how I guess, the the spectacle it that is,
(02:50):
and how amazing that kind of first moment. That's first
moments always are. So it was a bit of a late,
I guess realization. And then it kind of all hit
me when we got to pro a movement to the
captain's run. I was looking around and I was like
talking to Helen about how shit. It's funny because you know,
you've kind of like performed on quote unquote bigger stages
in the past, so it feels like, uh, in ways
(03:13):
like different to be like having this huge moment of
making an SCN debut, having played in World Cups and.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Calm Games and whatnot.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
But it was definitely like a huge, huge honor and
a lots of excitement around it, and I think getting
there was the time. I always find my favorite part
of a netball game is that moment when you have
to go. You go out to the back and you've
done the woman, you've done the team talk. It just
just sat starting seven in a huddle, you know, looking
everyone eye to eye and like really getting ged up
(03:41):
for the game. And in that moment, it really all
hit me that I'm standing here with these six of
the people who I've just met a couple of months ago,
when I've just done this huge pre season with them,
and I'm wearing this red dresser in Perth, and it
was like whoa, Like, why am I not in Auckland
and we're are all my sixteen mates.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
So it was a huge kind of like holy, holy moly,
this is real right now.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Well, but it was really profound a lot of big
sense of pride to be there and experience that and
gratitude for I guess the people that have helped me
get there and the journey I've been on from the
day that I basically find to coming and taking court
there for it was really special moment.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
So how did the intensity compare would say a test game,
I'd say it was.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Right up there, And yeah, it wasn't that first kind
of like ten minute thing on the court where I
was like, oh, yes, this is exactly where I wanted
to be here. I was yet definitely had to adjust
to the umpiring very quickly, the intensity of the crowd,
the style of the sense that was being put on
me like it was, it was a lot, and so
it felt in waves quite si mon towards test match
(04:46):
and just yeah, I guess the pressure in that moment too,
I guess the expectations from people about how I should
play and what the game should look like, and the
expectations on the group as well. So there was definitely
elements of that that resembled what it's like to play tests.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
And what's it been like building rapport with someone, you know,
Helen Halsber used to be, you know, enemies on the court.
You know, all of a sudden, you guys are playing
to give out. What's that been, Like.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Yeah, it's been so great.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
It's been so funny as well, actually because I've had
to talk about it a lot with Helen and like, yeah,
I've always said that I've only ever seen her in
that international netball space where she is like kind of
a enigma. But she's got her ponytail slipped back, she's
got the game face on. You don't mess with her.
She's like the queen of English Network. So that whole
(05:35):
I guess character is all that I've known about her
forgetting to see her as a person, you know, see
her in the morning with her coffee, her hair's on, Missy,
there's no offense, humor, and just building that rapport as
individuals before players.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
It's been really really enjoyable. She's a great person.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
I have a lot of time for her and a
lot of respect for her and her journey and also
her leadership. So I've really loved being guided by her
in the attacking unit and being able to I guess
thrown off each other and have our combo naturally come together.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
It was a big win for the Swifts. I mean,
I think you shot fifty one goals. I mean, did
you go out there with a target and that was
what you were going to shoot.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
I've never gone into a game with the shooting target.
It's not really where my focus life. I'm more so
just wanting to be available for every ball. And if
we're getting position, then I know it's my job to
when people turned down the court, they can see me
and know that I'm there for them. And so if
the balls that were getting turned over, the balls were
getting on us I'm bringing down in our CPA were
successful and so my job was to be available. And
(06:39):
I guess that's just how the game goes, and you know,
one thing leads to another and you're putting up fifty goals.
But yeah, that's just I guess. It was great to
be able to get that much volume through and my
first tests and as a testament to the work of
my feeders and our descenders getting those turnovers and really
enabling our unit to play with such success. So really
enjoy that and I'm very excited to keep going with it.
(07:00):
Which is the numbers out.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Two point shot now as well.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
You know it's been introduced here in New Zealand, but
obviously it's been in the sun court for a while.
You know, does that change your strategy? I mean, you
still put up fifty one shot, so talk us through that.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Yeah, I'm Initially in pre season I was like, I
don't like this, and you know, it's not my strength
and it's changes the game. It brings teams to a
down back in but I can appreciate the appeal for
the spectators and also the opportunity it gives to keep
gained close and competitive. So I'm learning to love it
and embrace it. Also embrace the opportunity to shoot them,
(07:35):
I think, to give myself license to turn and shoot
those sup of shots.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
I know I need to do the work at training
in the.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Weeks to put that volume up, but it's a next
funding prospect to add to my game. And I know
that we have amazing shooters in this group who that
sebread and butter, and so I always want to be
able to get born hand and get them in a
position to take those shots in the right time. But
also if post came to shove, I'm excited to get
to a point in the season where in those final
moments I can turn and shoot as well.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Well, you looked as though you you got to you
got a held ball actually in one at one point
Grace when you were you sort of did a bit
of a twirl and you were obviously looking for Helen
and she wasn't there, and you know, Fever did a
good job on her. But were you going to shoot
a two pointer?
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Then well that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
So I know that exact one because we had quite
a few laughs about it, and I yeah, I think
it was an element of getting the cob without and
just understanding what how much pressure I guess you start
to feel in those moments and it's a lot of
that decision making under pressure that I'm learning on the job.
But yeah, I had ball in hand and I thought,
oh yeah, I'll get I was under the post.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
I wanted to get Helen in turbing position and she
was covered. In my head, I only have eyes to Helen.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
But the learning there for me is that I had
my feet of on either side of me who I
could ideally reset to. And a lot of the time
where our game plan is to play more than one
point game and if we land in the two.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Zone, naturally we'll go to post.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
We're not going to force it and we know that
we don't need to rely on the two points to
stay in the game, will stay competitive.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
So I keep reminding myself that it just has to
feel natural.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
But I do also want to give myself opportunity to
shoot those But again, like I'm not going to force it.
If I land within my range, which is typically under
the post, I alternating shoot. If I happen to be
in a setup where I can go to the post
from range, I also want to be able to do that.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
You look to be just glowing. It sounds like you're
having a phenomenal time over there. You're loving it. I mean,
your davy couldn't have gone any better, I imagine, But
there must still be that little connection still to home,
you know, are you still speaking with the Silver Fin coaches?
Where are you at with that or if you just
put that all to one side at the moment.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Yeah, yeah, definitely enjoying my time here, definitely. I'm really
grateful for the opportunity, and I think I think I'm
in the best place that I have been so far
at the moment, and it hasn't come easy. So I
think I think what people can see and what's been
shared as a lot of the highs and the positives
and the enjoyment of being here in Sydney.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
But there have been some really hard days and some
challenging moments.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
That I've had to come overcome, and I'm sure there'll
be more down the track, but I guess that's the
beauty of, you know, getting out of your comfort zone
and challenging yourself.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
So you're really enjoying my time here and decision.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
And yeah, I would. It's not lost on me that
gets the implications of it. And I think right now
my focus is solely on the season. I've made my
bed as such, and so I'm choosing to enjoy the
sleep and just really have fund the season, learn lots,
soak it all in and I guess obviously the future
(10:42):
and the the whatever the international season looks like this
year does fit wear my mind a bit, but it's
a lot of it's out of my control, I think
consons in the sense that it's still part of the
leadership group with friends. There's lots of planning and discussions
that happened throughout the year that I'm very grateful to
still be included in. And that's still a team in
(11:03):
the space that a lot of my heart is with
so to still be able to contribute to that space
off the court is really important to me, So I'm
grateful to still be involved in that and whether my
contributions can become more physical later in the year. I'm
still hopeful, hopeful, maybe I don't know if it's a
pipe dream, but that I'll be able to suit up
(11:26):
for the season. But really my focus is on having
success here in Sydney and being able to hopefully make
more of an informed decision about my future when the
time comes.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
So are you saying grace that there might be a
little bit of a chance that we might see you
in the black dress later in the year.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
We've all got our fingers and toes crossed by the way.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Yeah, I'm very much a believer of like you, kind
of like what you put out there and what you manifest,
I guess is what will come to fruition. So I'm
still holding out hope in my end. I've had no
concrete colm or anything to give me more hope than
I had two months ago, but the hope remains and
it's an exciting prospect with I guess the space room
(12:09):
right now and how the form that I'm finding at
the moment and also what the girls will be able
to do when they a died this year, So it's
a team that I always want to be a part of.
And so yeah, just helping fingers crossed like the rest
of you guys, and just seeing what happens.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
How much are you loving Sydney and the weather I beat? Yeah,
it's quite nice. Been slightly warmer than what we've got
here now.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Yeah, it's been so great. It's been lovely.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
It's almost been quite similar to Awkland like in terms
of it being quite humid and kind of different all
four seasons in one day, but across the boarder where
there has been lovely hair and we had a great
summer and still get some really beautiful days. That we
landed from Perth on Useterday and the sun was shining,
so we all just had to go to the beach
after from there before we had the day off, and
it's just stuff like that. To be fair, you can
(12:59):
do it Awklin if you wanted to. But there's such
good spots all of Sydney, so I really enjoyed getting
out and about and being a bit a bit of tourist.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
So this is your first time living away from home,
isn't it I think? So you know, what are the
living arrangements?
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Yeah, for my first time living on of Auckland, I
was actually lived. I was slanting in Auckland for the
past three years. But yeah, first time being I guess
having a full ocean of separation between my friends and family.
So at the moment living with Shannie, one of the
other girls in the team. She's from Melbourne, so we're
both new to the state, so it's a nice to
kind of lean on each other and that sense of
(13:34):
homesickness and kind of being out.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Of routine and way.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
So we live together and not too far from training,
like a ten minute drive, so it's just nice because
obviously Sydney is so big and the road's is so crazy,
so to have a bit of familiarity and get a
labor land has been quite good. And yeah, just really
enjoying the dynamic, getting to know her better and getting
to enjoy all the girls in the team, and I
guess building those relationships and finning time enjoying an amazing
(14:01):
city to live in. So it's been really great and
I feel very lucky that of all the places to
end up, I got to be in Sydney.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Who drives?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
I do? I do? I drive?
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Yeah, I've had to learn the hard way for the
tunnels and all the rest. But I think it's done
some great character building. Like I said, they want to
come here and grow as a person, and I think
I'm growing in my driving fields as well, so I
can't complain about that.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yeah, have you got You've got the Aussie lingo? I
remember they used to talk about texters.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Do you know what a texture is?
Speaker 3 (14:29):
I don't know what a texture is, but it's.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Like a vivid I'm like, why are they cool?
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:35):
So what's the what's the lingo that you had to
come up with? Or god?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Anything like they call bibs badgers or patches non they.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Like the whole or they don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
They don't have dairies here, Like if I'm going to
the dairy, they're like, what's going to Even things like
saying I don't know, like back in your tieling you'd
be like, oh, honest to God, like honest and they'd
be like, what do you mean? Or even like men
that's so mean? They're like what that wasn't mean? I'm like, no,
that that's good. So things like that, and then a
(15:08):
couple of the things they say is like everything's mad
and everything is like a weg out, like it's crazy
a weg out. A wegout means that it's kind of
like buzzy. So I'm learning a few things and I
do think they able to bring it back to New Villain.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Put the girls onto some OUSI lingo.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yeah, oh, look, we really appreciate your time. We can
tell that you're having a fabulous time over there. We
really appreciate you coming on and it sounds like you're
having huge days, very busy days, full days, So thank
you so much. But before we let you go, we're
also starting in our pod this new thing called Fast five.
(15:42):
So we've got five questions. It's a bit of fun,
so you don't have to think too hard about them.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
And Ginna, you're going to kick us off.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
You're our very first person doing our fast fight, so
we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Okay, you want like a short answer like, okay.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
So what's your go to post game snack or meal?
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Sorry, I'm thinking go to post game meal? All parts.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yeah, if you could compete in any other sport, what
would it be and why.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Basketball?
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Because that the NBA looks back a pretty cool environment
and it's growing rapidly and love to be part of it.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
Who in your team is most likely to a get
you into trouble.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
In trouble probably Alie Smith out of trouble, Mattie Turner.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
If you could take three athletes in the world, karrent
or present and have them for dinner, this is a
tricky one. Who springs to mind your three athletes?
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Let's huge. I would have Simone Vials. I would want
to chat with Yannis Anti Compo.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Yeah, and hm hmm. Third one the Williams. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
And what would you be eating at that meal?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
We would do probably like Italian have like starters, like.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Some oysters, some seafood to each and I'm just talking
about my favorite food, like some seafood to start, and
then like a good like authentic carbonara or like taccio pepper,
some good complimentary wine and then some like terma food
to finish.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
That was a very well full I did not expect
that to be quite so sophisticated.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
I out yet.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Yeah, yeah, oh Grace, thank you so much. It's been
a joy to speak to you and look for all
the best for this weekend.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Thanks, thanks so much. I appreciate having the chat.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Take care you look after yourself.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
We're watching with a lot of pleasure this side of
the Tasman scene.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
How are you going? It's very cool?
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Oh, thanks so much guy, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
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Speaker 1 (18:35):
Well, what a remarkable young lady Grace is.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
And she'd be pretty good if you did in my
kitchen rolls, because boy, that cuisine that she was just
talking about very impressive, Ceviche. I don't think I even
knew what Ceviche was. A twenty though, she's just gonna
say Italian full stop. But no, she launched into it
and that's why I think she's loving Sydney. All those
options over there are very cool. But wasn't it fascinating
listening to her how insightful she was, intelligent, smart, The
(19:03):
fact that she, you know, having spent her most of
her netble, all of her netble in New Zealand with
a mystic, she realized that she needed to be challenged
more and that came at a price, and that price
was wearing the silver Ferns dress. I love the fact
that she's manifesting it a dean and she still thinks
it's going to happen because you know, they say think
about it, or it might just happen. You know, I
(19:25):
personally think I would love for Neble New Zealand to
change that rule slightly because she is she is an
exception to the rule. Look, we get it, we don't
want open Slava. We don't want all New Zealand players
going to Australia and playing and so it would just
decimate the age. So we get there has to be
some rules around it. But it seems to be sticking
very hard and fast, this one hundred cap rule. And again,
(19:48):
yeah that worked when it was Laura and Maria went
to Katrina it already so it just conveniently that one
hundred test cap worked then.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
But do they need to relook at it?
Speaker 2 (19:58):
You know, you look at what they doing Rugby and
sign a you know who we just had Damie McKenzie
and Judy Barrett. You know, you can negotiate a long
term deal to commit to New Zealand, but you give
them a sabbatical for a year, or you give them
that option. And yes, you're only gonna do that for
your top talent. But do you just make it a
little bit more subjective to just have that hard one
(20:19):
hundred test cats. I just don't know, Let's be honest.
When she played how many months ago in concert, that's
how long it's been netble as well, it's been forever
since we're seeing any netball.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
She was the difference. She is phenomenal. It is scary to.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Think she will not be there, potentially in the black
dress in the next time they meet. For Tiny Jamison, Well,
it's scary that it might not only be Grace, But
I read somewhere in an article the other day saying
that Ameliam Warmsley might not even be in the black
dress this year for the fans because of her workload
this year with New Zealand under twenty ones as well
as am Z Premiership. So we could not have Grace
(20:55):
Newiki and then probably think the next best shoot to
write is Wormsley, So we may be without gosh two
of our best Goull shooters. But yeah, let's hope that
she has a great season with the Swift. She's obviously
started really well. In that win against the Fever, eighteen goals,
didn't get a two point shot and looking forward to
seeing if she fits any more of those up and yeah,
I think we're all gunning for her to be back
(21:16):
in that black dress at some point. But of course,
the ain Zed Premiership it goes on without her. SUNCRP
got underway last weekend. Three more weeks to go until
the ain Z starts a Dean and there's a few
changes this year. Four new rule changes now, and to
be fair, something needed to be done. We've gone from
three rounds to two rounds this year, so we needed
(21:37):
something to give it a bit of razzle dazzle. So
let's go through the rule changes. Let's start with the
biggest one, which is probably the most talking point around
the changes.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
The two point shot.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Okay, so it's been in the sun Court League for
a while now, the last five minutes of every quarter.
We are introducing that in the ain Zed but the
two point line is slightly different. The SSN they have
it at three meters. For the a Z Premiership, we're
going to have it at three point five, which is
the same distance as fast. Fine, are you saying a
yay or a nay to that rule? I I can't
(22:13):
believe it, but I'm saying a yay, because once upon
a time, I don't keep the two point shot with
fast traditionalists.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
It's such a diition. I didn't like it.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
But then you know, when I would watch the odd
game of some corp when you'd have a blowout, you know,
blow out.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
A netble if you're ten or fifteen, turn the TV off.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
I get bored, whereas throwing a two point shot that
disappears in seconds when you've got that option. So it's
taken me a world be convinced, but I've reached that
point that I want to say yay. But I do
like the fact it's not for the whole game. I
like that it's five minutes. I know you were like me,
(22:53):
you weren't sure. Are you convinced? I wasn't sure as well,
because I'm a bit like you. I'm a traditionalist. I
love the seven A side game, but I just feel
the A and Z Premiership has become a bit stale
and we need some excitement and we need some fresh approach,
and so this I think will be ideal.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I think perhaps it would have been.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
It would have been nice for the coaches had they
known these rule changes prior to selecting their players. Absolutely
then they could have selected them based on, you know,
getting some long range shooters in there, because to be fair,
there are some shooters in our league that probably won't
be very good at putting those two point shots up.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Some will be very good.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
So that's been thrown at the coaches a little bit,
but I'm definitely a yay. It adds excitement, it brings
in the fans, So that's a definite es from.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Both of us.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Well, what's interesting though is that it's different to some
uncle and to the UK League. So they have gone
forward at three meters versus three point five and speaking
to neat New Zealand, that is off the back off.
Speaking to the players, it was the players that fed
back no, we want it to be consistent with fast five,
which makes sense. It makes me scratch my head and go, well,
(24:01):
why did Osie do it different? Because they like to
be different they I mean, we're not shooters, but three
meters to three point point five of a meter probably
a little bit easier for the SECN girls to get
those two point shots, and half a meter is probably
a little bit you know as a shooter. Okay, next
one coach box Okay, So now both teams will have
(24:22):
both coaches will have essentially a coach box and it's
three by one where they are allowed to stand in
and coach from the side. So it's very much like basketball.
So in front of the signage, yes they could. They
can jump over the old signage that sits there and
they can do whatever they do from from the coaching box.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Yay or a nay. Love. I love this.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Such a basket and I know Jenny, if she was here,
would be going eah.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
She hates the idea of this. I love it.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Look in netball, you want characters, and by having a coach,
Let's be honest, Donna Wilkins, she is going to be
so comfortable in this coach's box.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I want to see the coaches on.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
The sideline walking up and down, shouting out their instructions, Like,
I think this is fabulous. I think these are the
things we want to see a netbull. I know some
people were going to go, oh, that's a bit like basketball.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Well, hello, basketball.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Is a global game, is super successful and there's a
reason for it. So if we take some of those
clever things they've had in basketball, what's wrong with that?
I mean, no, lean, can you imagine what Knowles is
going to be like in the coach's box. Well, they
were all standing up the last kind of year. That
the bench has changed a lot. In the silver Ferns
they are standing up a lot more, and Knowles has
sort of walked up and down pay stuff and down
(25:35):
the towel.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Throwing your towels around on the sideline.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I'm more that I just don't see that it's going
to change the game. I think if you're if you're
a coach sitting on the bench as opposed to the
coaching box, you can still get your message across to
the players. You can cropper sitting on it still. I
get what you mean. It's it's just adding another layer
of excitement and something different. Yes, I agree, but I
(25:58):
don't think it's going to end add any advantage to
the teams, if you kind of get what I mean.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Okay, so that's a yay in an a from me. Okay, Okay.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Team timeouts So now they're suggesting that, well they're imposing
that we can have two ninety second timeouts per team,
so you can have one a half. Okay, So that's
four timeouts in total, which ends up being six minutes
six minutes of extra stoppages per match.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Yeah, you're an a Yet again, I'm a yay.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I love this because again, what people when you speak
to fans, one of the things that they love hearing
is coaches coaching, and they love it when there's a
microphone in there and you're hearing what the coaches are
having to say, you're hearing what players are having to say.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
This is four more opportunities to hear that. They may
not use it.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Again, yes, people may argue it's a bit like basketball
you don't always use your timeouts. Again, it's adding a
bit of strategy as well. When do you use it?
Do you use it? Back in the day, we used
to i'm a context fallen out. We'll just take two
minutes because the other team's on a roll. So again,
I think it brings in a bit of strategy. It
brings in the fans by adding another opportunity to hear
(27:11):
what the coaches and players are going to say. So again,
love the innovation. Didn't we used to say before we
were injured, you know, and Chessy Kearney would run on,
We'd say banana just beforehand, so she knew that we're
faking out. I mean the game has come a long way.
I'm a yes as well, I'm a yak surprised. Ye, yes, well, yeah,
I was a little bit on the fence, but I
(27:32):
thought no. I think it's a good way for the
players to learn, as you say, how to strategize. But
more importantly, how do I identify when a role has
been put on you or when things aren't going so well?
And I think now we rely too much on other
people trying to make that decision for us. So this
puts the onus on the players. They can call the
(27:53):
time out and go, oh god, you know, they've just
scored four goals in a row. Something's going wrong here,
let's call the timeout.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Does it have to be a captain? It has to be.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
It needs to be requested by an on court player
to the captain after a goal has been scored, So
you can't just call it at any time after a
game's been scored, which makes sense.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Okay, So that's a ya and a ya.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
And the last one is the umpire mit during matches. Okay,
do you know how many times broadcasts to the crowd
and umpire blows their whistle in a game? They don't
blow their whistle after a goal has.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Been scored anymore. Do they know that changed about a
year ago two years ago.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Is the whole crowd is going to hear what the
umpire is saying for the whole game, and okay, great,
it'll add to the fan experience. The people, the spectators
in the crowd will have an understanding of what's going on.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
But my lord, I don't.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Think that's going to last because that whistle goes a
lot a lot of times, I guess, depending on the umpire.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
So I'm just not a fan.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
I think if you're they're watching a game, hope you
know enough about it to understand what's going on. I
get that it does perhaps bring the crowd in a
bit so they can understand. So I see that part.
But I think if I had to say yeah or
inn a, I'd be in a on that one.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I am so on the fence on this one.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Speaking to Jen and Etwi Zealand, they did trial this
a couple of years ago, I think maybe in Liverpool.
It was definitely overseas and they said it was brilliant
and fans loved it and they loved the fact that
instead of scratching their heads and being like what was
that call for? They absolutely hear it over the loud speaker.
But my worry is the same as yours. All I've
(29:34):
got in.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
My brain is this screeching whistle.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
That's just getting blown all the time, and is that
going to overpower things? And then I was also worried.
You know, what I think they've done well in the
last few years is they've had music playing and different
things that.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Again have added to the atmosphere at the game.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
You know, will that still go And supposedly yes, they'll
still have all that music, but you're going to have
this umpire's you know voice, you know, going around the stadium.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
It sort of makes you think, do you remember in
the old.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Days and you'd go to cricket or something and old
people have the little a little wireless on listening to
the radio commentary as they watched the game.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
That's what.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
It's kind of like that, right, except it's going to
be loud and out there. So yeah, I'm on the fence,
I think, because I haven't experienced it, so I'm almost
I'm not sure if I'm just going to hear a
shrill whistle or if it's going to be just like
what we haven't at yet because when we're commentating, we
hear the rev consistently, and when you think about that,
(30:34):
I don't think about the whistle, do you.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
When we're commentating, think of.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
How many times they'll go, they'll call it, or they'll
go advantage, goal, attack, advantage. We're going to be hearing
a lot of advantages, contact offsite like it's just it
is quite constant. But I think it'll be interesting after
that first round. There's going to be a lot going
on because as you say, there's still going to be
music pumping during halftimes. Will they pump the music out
during the timeouts as well? You know those ninety second timeouts,
(30:58):
that's a chance to get it run up and get
the kiss cam go and you get it. That is
my worst night here, by the way, Oh my gosh,
getting caught on kiscamp. So I guess when you look
at all these rule changes, which team do you think
are going to benefit from it the most? You look
at that two point shot when I think of all
the teams and the shooters, merely and Echinasio for me,
stands out is probably one of the best long range shooters.
(31:22):
I think she'll certainly pick up some two point shots.
Tana Salmon, I mean Fast five, that was she was brilliant.
I think a lot of people didn't know too much
about Mattina before Fast five, and then she was sinking
those two point shots. And she's playing Mainland Tactics this year.
She switched from the Pulse, so you know, does that hey?
(31:44):
And again Donna Wilkins, she loves a long shot. She's
a basketball. Speaking of those coaches, we've got three of
our former players that we played with, Adeane Leanna debrayin,
Bubby Timmy pat of George Clark. George Clark always forget
which one she is, Donna and Wendy with the steer,
so we're Lean and Liota lean and Liota true And actually,
(32:04):
if you keep going Gable we played with her at
some point as well to Jonga Selby Rackett.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
She's also assistant for the Tactics.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
So, I mean, isn't it bizarre and cool that there's
this real swing around to sing everyone coaching? Yeah, and
I think those coaches, the ones that we've just named,
will really, you know, take on that coach's box and
they'll get in there, as you say, and I think
they'll embrace it. Donna will get that hand going and
the towels will be swinging, which is great. So I
(32:36):
think needed to be done. You know, I think that
Ainzi was perhaps getting a little bit stale over the
last few years, so this will add.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Some excitement to it, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
And funny you say that because it was a great article.
Just the other day Lisa Alexander and Shannie Norder actually
spoke about welcoming New Zealand teams back because they also
felt like the Sun Corp is getting star So I
think that's good everyone's starting to have these conversations.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
They're looking at rule changes.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
But it's also good that that it's the Australians talking
about New Zealand coming and joining back as part of
the Trans Tasmin League as well.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
So who knows?
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Lots A lot is unknown about twenty twenty sixth and
that was an interesting article because Lisa Alexander thought that,
you know, grab one team from the South, one team
from the North, and those two are the teams that
would go over and play in that Sun court, which
got me thinking, you know what team from the South
would you just pick the best of the steal and
the tactics, and then would you have a team from
(33:35):
up north the best of all the others, Like, how
would that even roll if you did a South team
and a North team because the South team would be
an advantage straight away because there's only two teams down there. Look,
it'd be a hard one too, wouldn't it, because you know, yes,
you get paid to play netball, but you're getting even
more people that are going to have to move from
their home bases if you've only got two teams.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
So I mean a lot of.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Things you'd have to look into, and you'd have to
make sure those players were getting paid well enough for
them to make that commitment because you'd be flying to Australia.
Well you know, like the Breaker is like the Warriors,
You'll be spending a lot of time and some people
may not even want to be available for that. Well
let's be honest, they probably would because I'd love to be.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Part of it.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
So yet, a lot of things and actually a great
amount of opportunity. And you're hearing a lot from Liz Allis.
You know, she's the new chair chair Award and she
seems she is not scared to take a punt. She's
brave and so I think a lot could change over
the next couple of years. Well that aren't they bringing
out their ten year vision Australian Netball, So I'll be
(34:36):
interested to see. I think one of the one thing
that's in there is they're old bringing netball into the
Olympic sport in twenty year two, So I think she's
pushing that.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
But I guess just lastly, if we look.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
At what's been happening in the NETWORW world over the
last couple of months, the sol fans, they haven't played
since October since we won that Constellation Cup with Grace.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
The Nation's Cup.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Went ahead England Malawi again to South Africa. Great that
Uganda got third. England beat South Africa in the final,
so that was that was the Nation's Cup in January.
The top three nations didn't go. But what we did
is we went and played in a tournament with the Swifts.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Yeah, and I just find it so weird.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
I cannot think of in recent years when there has
been such a huge break of televised netball. It was
October last year, and yes A and Z is starting
later than usual, but we normally see something in January
so it's been quite strange and no one's.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Really given us a real reason.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Why why haven't we you know, why why didn't the
Silver Ferns go? Why didn't Australia go or Jamaica or Jamaica?
And then and I was also surprised how little information
even came out of that New South Wales trip for
the Ferns. You really didn't hear a lot or even
on socials. So yeah, a bit of a head scratcher
(35:55):
for me. Why we've been such a long time without netball? Yeah,
I guess the only benefit of that was that Noles
could take over her squad, so she took the extras
Catherine Hall from the Mystics, Toyava Tuy and Salmon, so
those four extra players got caught time. They played four
games in four days, so they replicated that World Cup
tournament kind of days, so that would have been of benefit.
(36:19):
And of course was the first hit out with Grace
not in the black dress, which.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Would have been which would have been weird.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
For her so well, but obviously they're keeping those that
connection piece with briany Ekel who had a call who
was the assistant coach of the Ferns, so I think
they would have got a lot out of it. But
we're not going to be seeing the ferns for a
very long time later on in the year. And I
guess who knows will Grace be there because she's sang
you know, as we heard earlier on in this episode,
(36:46):
she's manifesting it. Who knows if we just all keep
hoping that New Zealand may just change the rule.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
But that's it from us today.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Next week we will be getting into the nuts and
bolts of the A and Z teams for twenty.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Where the playered movement has been who to.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Look out for, and Jenny and I will give you
our picks for who we think will take out the
title in twenty twenty five. But until then, remember you
can download inside Netbil on iHeartRadio or wherever you get
your podcasts until next week.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Cakatiano
Inside, therefore getting you closer to the game you love
with Adean Wilson, Anna Stanley and Jenny wood so By
News Talks ab.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Got Da Koto and welcome to our very first episode
of Inside Netball for twenty twenty five. It is fabulous
to be back and we're certainly looking forward to the
season ahead, and it's great to be recording in our
new studio here also at mzmy. And of course it
is the Inside Needy team minus Gen. Today we do
have a former Silver Fans captain Adean Wilson and can
(00:30):
I just say current Premier netball player over.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
On the shore with us day down? What have I done?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
It's literally taking me all week to recover. I got surprised.
I did not know we had to play grading on
a concretecord. To be fair, it has been decades since
I've played outside. I take my hat off. There was wind,
there was battling the elements, and it wasn't just one
game but two, and one of them was like, wasn't
it early in the morning on Saturday? And I'm good
(00:57):
with early. Early's totally fine. It was weir and so yes,
you know, we're very fortunate we've got a team full
of former Ferns and all of us turned up and
looked at a wet outdoor court and almost turned around
and got back in our cars. But we did it.
We won and I cannot believe it. We're in prem ones.
What have we done?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Well?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
You didn't just win, you walloped the team.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
So very impressive and we will keep you up to
date here on the Inside Netble Chats this year. As
to Adan's progress, well, of course, the season kicks in
to get in just a few more weeks. The ain
Z Premiership sun Corps super Netbulk got under way last weekend.
Our very own Grace and Neweki made her Premiership debut
for the Swifts. Jenny and Adan were fortunate enough to
catch up with Grace with a quick interview after that
(01:41):
Round one performance, and we will bring you that chat
in today's episode. We'll talk about what's been happening in
the netball world over the last few months, plus the
rule changes taking on the a Zed Premiership this year.
The Inside Needy team will give you a yay or
a nay for the four rule changes that will take place.
But firstly, she really is our golden girl. The Swifts
(02:03):
came away with the first round one over the Fever
in the sun Court by whopping eighteen goals.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Here's our amazing.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Grace inside Nile Grace and Wiki welcome to Inside Nipple
and Wow, what a debut only a few days ago.
Talk us through the nerves or were no extra nerves
than what you're used to having stepping out on court.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
There were definitely nerves. They kind of came quite late.
I think I didn't really take stock of the fact
that I was making my debut up until maybe like
a few days up from the game. I've putten a
whole preseason being like I'm so ready to play, and
I kind of forgot that playing it's going to be
for the first time, which means making a debut and
kind of how I guess, the the spectacle it that is,
(02:50):
and how amazing that kind of first moment. That's first
moments always are. So it was a bit of a late,
I guess realization. And then it kind of all hit
me when we got to pro a movement to the
captain's run. I was looking around and I was like
talking to Helen about how shit. It's funny because you know,
you've kind of like performed on quote unquote bigger stages
in the past, so it feels like, uh, in ways
(03:13):
like different to be like having this huge moment of
making an SCN debut, having played in World Cups and.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Calm Games and whatnot.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
But it was definitely like a huge, huge honor and
a lots of excitement around it, and I think getting
there was the time. I always find my favorite part
of a netball game is that moment when you have
to go. You go out to the back and you've
done the woman, you've done the team talk. It just
just sat starting seven in a huddle, you know, looking
everyone eye to eye and like really getting ged up
(03:41):
for the game. And in that moment, it really all
hit me that I'm standing here with these six of
the people who I've just met a couple of months ago,
when I've just done this huge pre season with them,
and I'm wearing this red dresser in Perth, and it
was like whoa, Like, why am I not in Auckland
and we're are all my sixteen mates.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
So it was a huge kind of like holy, holy moly,
this is real right now.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Well, but it was really profound a lot of big
sense of pride to be there and experience that and
gratitude for I guess the people that have helped me
get there and the journey I've been on from the
day that I basically find to coming and taking court
there for it was really special moment.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
So how did the intensity compare would say a test game,
I'd say it was.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Right up there, And yeah, it wasn't that first kind
of like ten minute thing on the court where I
was like, oh, yes, this is exactly where I wanted
to be here. I was yet definitely had to adjust
to the umpiring very quickly, the intensity of the crowd,
the style of the sense that was being put on
me like it was, it was a lot, and so
it felt in waves quite si mon towards test match
(04:46):
and just yeah, I guess the pressure in that moment too,
I guess the expectations from people about how I should
play and what the game should look like, and the
expectations on the group as well. So there was definitely
elements of that that resembled what it's like to play tests.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
And what's it been like building rapport with someone, you know,
Helen Halsber used to be, you know, enemies on the court.
You know, all of a sudden, you guys are playing
to give out. What's that been, Like.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Yeah, it's been so great.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
It's been so funny as well, actually because I've had
to talk about it a lot with Helen and like, yeah,
I've always said that I've only ever seen her in
that international netball space where she is like kind of
a enigma. But she's got her ponytail slipped back, she's
got the game face on. You don't mess with her.
She's like the queen of English Network. So that whole
(05:35):
I guess character is all that I've known about her
forgetting to see her as a person, you know, see
her in the morning with her coffee, her hair's on, Missy,
there's no offense, humor, and just building that rapport as
individuals before players.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
It's been really really enjoyable. She's a great person.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
I have a lot of time for her and a
lot of respect for her and her journey and also
her leadership. So I've really loved being guided by her
in the attacking unit and being able to I guess
thrown off each other and have our combo naturally come together.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
It was a big win for the Swifts. I mean,
I think you shot fifty one goals. I mean, did
you go out there with a target and that was
what you were going to shoot.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
I've never gone into a game with the shooting target.
It's not really where my focus life. I'm more so
just wanting to be available for every ball. And if
we're getting position, then I know it's my job to
when people turned down the court, they can see me
and know that I'm there for them. And so if
the balls that were getting turned over, the balls were
getting on us I'm bringing down in our CPA were
successful and so my job was to be available. And
(06:39):
I guess that's just how the game goes, and you know,
one thing leads to another and you're putting up fifty goals.
But yeah, that's just I guess. It was great to
be able to get that much volume through and my
first tests and as a testament to the work of
my feeders and our descenders getting those turnovers and really
enabling our unit to play with such success. So really
enjoy that and I'm very excited to keep going with it.
(07:00):
Which is the numbers out.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Two point shot now as well.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
You know it's been introduced here in New Zealand, but
obviously it's been in the sun court for a while.
You know, does that change your strategy? I mean, you
still put up fifty one shot, so talk us through that.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Yeah, I'm Initially in pre season I was like, I
don't like this, and you know, it's not my strength
and it's changes the game. It brings teams to a
down back in but I can appreciate the appeal for
the spectators and also the opportunity it gives to keep
gained close and competitive. So I'm learning to love it
and embrace it. Also embrace the opportunity to shoot them,
(07:35):
I think, to give myself license to turn and shoot
those sup of shots.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
I know I need to do the work at training
in the.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Weeks to put that volume up, but it's a next
funding prospect to add to my game. And I know
that we have amazing shooters in this group who that
sebread and butter, and so I always want to be
able to get born hand and get them in a
position to take those shots in the right time. But
also if post came to shove, I'm excited to get
to a point in the season where in those final
moments I can turn and shoot as well.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Well, you looked as though you you got to you
got a held ball actually in one at one point
Grace when you were you sort of did a bit
of a twirl and you were obviously looking for Helen
and she wasn't there, and you know, Fever did a
good job on her. But were you going to shoot
a two pointer?
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Then well that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
So I know that exact one because we had quite
a few laughs about it, and I yeah, I think
it was an element of getting the cob without and
just understanding what how much pressure I guess you start
to feel in those moments and it's a lot of
that decision making under pressure that I'm learning on the job.
But yeah, I had ball in hand and I thought,
oh yeah, I'll get I was under the post.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
I wanted to get Helen in turbing position and she
was covered. In my head, I only have eyes to Helen.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
But the learning there for me is that I had
my feet of on either side of me who I
could ideally reset to. And a lot of the time
where our game plan is to play more than one
point game and if we land in the two.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Zone, naturally we'll go to post.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
We're not going to force it and we know that
we don't need to rely on the two points to
stay in the game, will stay competitive.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
So I keep reminding myself that it just has to
feel natural.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
But I do also want to give myself opportunity to
shoot those But again, like I'm not going to force it.
If I land within my range, which is typically under
the post, I alternating shoot. If I happen to be
in a setup where I can go to the post
from range, I also want to be able to do that.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
You look to be just glowing. It sounds like you're
having a phenomenal time over there. You're loving it. I mean,
your davy couldn't have gone any better, I imagine, But
there must still be that little connection still to home,
you know, are you still speaking with the Silver Fin coaches?
Where are you at with that or if you just
put that all to one side at the moment.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Yeah, yeah, definitely enjoying my time here, definitely. I'm really
grateful for the opportunity, and I think I think I'm
in the best place that I have been so far
at the moment, and it hasn't come easy. So I
think I think what people can see and what's been
shared as a lot of the highs and the positives
and the enjoyment of being here in Sydney.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
But there have been some really hard days and some
challenging moments.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
That I've had to come overcome, and I'm sure there'll
be more down the track, but I guess that's the
beauty of, you know, getting out of your comfort zone
and challenging yourself.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
So you're really enjoying my time here and decision.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
And yeah, I would. It's not lost on me that
gets the implications of it. And I think right now
my focus is solely on the season. I've made my
bed as such, and so I'm choosing to enjoy the
sleep and just really have fund the season, learn lots,
soak it all in and I guess obviously the future
(10:42):
and the the whatever the international season looks like this
year does fit wear my mind a bit, but it's
a lot of it's out of my control, I think
consons in the sense that it's still part of the
leadership group with friends. There's lots of planning and discussions
that happened throughout the year that I'm very grateful to
still be included in. And that's still a team in
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the space that a lot of my heart is with
so to still be able to contribute to that space
off the court is really important to me, So I'm
grateful to still be involved in that and whether my
contributions can become more physical later in the year. I'm
still hopeful, hopeful, maybe I don't know if it's a
pipe dream, but that I'll be able to suit up
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for the season. But really my focus is on having
success here in Sydney and being able to hopefully make
more of an informed decision about my future when the
time comes.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
So are you saying grace that there might be a
little bit of a chance that we might see you
in the black dress later in the year.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
We've all got our fingers and toes crossed by the way.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Yeah, I'm very much a believer of like you, kind
of like what you put out there and what you manifest,
I guess is what will come to fruition. So I'm
still holding out hope in my end. I've had no
concrete colm or anything to give me more hope than
I had two months ago, but the hope remains and
it's an exciting prospect with I guess the space room
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right now and how the form that I'm finding at
the moment and also what the girls will be able
to do when they a died this year, So it's
a team that I always want to be a part of.
And so yeah, just helping fingers crossed like the rest
of you guys, and just seeing what happens.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
How much are you loving Sydney and the weather I beat? Yeah,
it's quite nice. Been slightly warmer than what we've got
here now.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Yeah, it's been so great. It's been lovely.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
It's almost been quite similar to Awkland like in terms
of it being quite humid and kind of different all
four seasons in one day, but across the boarder where
there has been lovely hair and we had a great
summer and still get some really beautiful days. That we
landed from Perth on Useterday and the sun was shining,
so we all just had to go to the beach
after from there before we had the day off, and
it's just stuff like that. To be fair, you can
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do it Awklin if you wanted to. But there's such
good spots all of Sydney, so I really enjoyed getting
out and about and being a bit a bit of tourist.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
So this is your first time living away from home,
isn't it I think? So you know, what are the
living arrangements?
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Yeah, for my first time living on of Auckland, I
was actually lived. I was slanting in Auckland for the
past three years. But yeah, first time being I guess
having a full ocean of separation between my friends and family.
So at the moment living with Shannie, one of the
other girls in the team. She's from Melbourne, so we're
both new to the state, so it's a nice to
kind of lean on each other and that sense of
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homesickness and kind of being out.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Of routine and way.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
So we live together and not too far from training,
like a ten minute drive, so it's just nice because
obviously Sydney is so big and the road's is so crazy,
so to have a bit of familiarity and get a
labor land has been quite good. And yeah, just really
enjoying the dynamic, getting to know her better and getting
to enjoy all the girls in the team, and I
guess building those relationships and finning time enjoying an amazing
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city to live in. So it's been really great and
I feel very lucky that of all the places to
end up, I got to be in Sydney.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Who drives?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
I do? I do? I drive?
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Yeah, I've had to learn the hard way for the
tunnels and all the rest. But I think it's done
some great character building. Like I said, they want to
come here and grow as a person, and I think
I'm growing in my driving fields as well, so I
can't complain about that.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yeah, have you got You've got the Aussie lingo? I
remember they used to talk about texters.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Do you know what a texture is?
Speaker 3 (14:29):
I don't know what a texture is, but it's.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Like a vivid I'm like, why are they cool?
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:35):
So what's the what's the lingo that you had to
come up with? Or god?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Anything like they call bibs badgers or patches non they.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Like the whole or they don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
They don't have dairies here, Like if I'm going to
the dairy, they're like, what's going to Even things like
saying I don't know, like back in your tieling you'd
be like, oh, honest to God, like honest and they'd
be like, what do you mean? Or even like men
that's so mean? They're like what that wasn't mean? I'm like, no,
that that's good. So things like that, and then a
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couple of the things they say is like everything's mad
and everything is like a weg out, like it's crazy
a weg out. A wegout means that it's kind of
like buzzy. So I'm learning a few things and I
do think they able to bring it back to New Villain.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Put the girls onto some OUSI lingo.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yeah, oh, look, we really appreciate your time. We can
tell that you're having a fabulous time over there. We
really appreciate you coming on and it sounds like you're
having huge days, very busy days, full days, So thank
you so much. But before we let you go, we're
also starting in our pod this new thing called Fast five.
(15:42):
So we've got five questions. It's a bit of fun,
so you don't have to think too hard about them.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
And Ginna, you're going to kick us off.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
You're our very first person doing our fast fight, so
we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Okay, you want like a short answer like, okay.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
So what's your go to post game snack or meal?
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Sorry, I'm thinking go to post game meal? All parts.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yeah, if you could compete in any other sport, what
would it be and why.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Basketball?
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Because that the NBA looks back a pretty cool environment
and it's growing rapidly and love to be part of it.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
Who in your team is most likely to a get
you into trouble.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
In trouble probably Alie Smith out of trouble, Mattie Turner.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
If you could take three athletes in the world, karrent
or present and have them for dinner, this is a
tricky one. Who springs to mind your three athletes?
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Let's huge. I would have Simone Vials. I would want
to chat with Yannis Anti Compo.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Yeah, and hm hmm. Third one the Williams. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
And what would you be eating at that meal?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
We would do probably like Italian have like starters, like.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Some oysters, some seafood to each and I'm just talking
about my favorite food, like some seafood to start, and
then like a good like authentic carbonara or like taccio pepper,
some good complimentary wine and then some like terma food
to finish.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
That was a very well full I did not expect
that to be quite so sophisticated.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
I out yet.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Yeah, yeah, oh Grace, thank you so much. It's been
a joy to speak to you and look for all
the best for this weekend.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Thanks, thanks so much. I appreciate having the chat.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Take care you look after yourself.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
We're watching with a lot of pleasure this side of
the Tasman scene.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
How are you going? It's very cool?
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Oh, thanks so much guy, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
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Speaker 1 (18:35):
Well, what a remarkable young lady Grace is.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
And she'd be pretty good if you did in my
kitchen rolls, because boy, that cuisine that she was just
talking about very impressive, Ceviche. I don't think I even
knew what Ceviche was. A twenty though, she's just gonna
say Italian full stop. But no, she launched into it
and that's why I think she's loving Sydney. All those
options over there are very cool. But wasn't it fascinating
listening to her how insightful she was, intelligent, smart, The
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fact that she, you know, having spent her most of
her netble, all of her netble in New Zealand with
a mystic, she realized that she needed to be challenged
more and that came at a price, and that price
was wearing the silver Ferns dress. I love the fact
that she's manifesting it a dean and she still thinks
it's going to happen because you know, they say think
about it, or it might just happen. You know, I
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personally think I would love for Neble New Zealand to
change that rule slightly because she is she is an
exception to the rule. Look, we get it, we don't
want open Slava. We don't want all New Zealand players
going to Australia and playing and so it would just
decimate the age. So we get there has to be
some rules around it. But it seems to be sticking
very hard and fast, this one hundred cap rule. And again,
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yeah that worked when it was Laura and Maria went
to Katrina it already so it just conveniently that one
hundred test cap worked then.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
But do they need to relook at it?
Speaker 2 (19:58):
You know, you look at what they doing Rugby and
sign a you know who we just had Damie McKenzie
and Judy Barrett. You know, you can negotiate a long
term deal to commit to New Zealand, but you give
them a sabbatical for a year, or you give them
that option. And yes, you're only gonna do that for
your top talent. But do you just make it a
little bit more subjective to just have that hard one
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hundred test cats. I just don't know, Let's be honest.
When she played how many months ago in concert, that's
how long it's been netble as well, it's been forever
since we're seeing any netball.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
She was the difference. She is phenomenal. It is scary to.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Think she will not be there, potentially in the black
dress in the next time they meet. For Tiny Jamison, Well,
it's scary that it might not only be Grace, But
I read somewhere in an article the other day saying
that Ameliam Warmsley might not even be in the black
dress this year for the fans because of her workload
this year with New Zealand under twenty ones as well
as am Z Premiership. So we could not have Grace
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Newiki and then probably think the next best shoot to
write is Wormsley, So we may be without gosh two
of our best Goull shooters. But yeah, let's hope that
she has a great season with the Swift. She's obviously
started really well. In that win against the Fever, eighteen goals,
didn't get a two point shot and looking forward to
seeing if she fits any more of those up and yeah,
I think we're all gunning for her to be back
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in that black dress at some point. But of course,
the ain Zed Premiership it goes on without her. SUNCRP
got underway last weekend. Three more weeks to go until
the ain Z starts a Dean and there's a few
changes this year. Four new rule changes now, and to
be fair, something needed to be done. We've gone from
three rounds to two rounds this year, so we needed
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something to give it a bit of razzle dazzle. So
let's go through the rule changes. Let's start with the
biggest one, which is probably the most talking point around
the changes.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
The two point shot.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Okay, so it's been in the sun Court League for
a while now, the last five minutes of every quarter.
We are introducing that in the ain Zed but the
two point line is slightly different. The SSN they have
it at three meters. For the a Z Premiership, we're
going to have it at three point five, which is
the same distance as fast. Fine, are you saying a
yay or a nay to that rule? I I can't
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believe it, but I'm saying a yay, because once upon
a time, I don't keep the two point shot with
fast traditionalists.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
It's such a diition. I didn't like it.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
But then you know, when I would watch the odd
game of some corp when you'd have a blowout, you know,
blow out.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
A netble if you're ten or fifteen, turn the TV off.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
I get bored, whereas throwing a two point shot that
disappears in seconds when you've got that option. So it's
taken me a world be convinced, but I've reached that
point that I want to say yay. But I do
like the fact it's not for the whole game. I
like that it's five minutes. I know you were like me,
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you weren't sure. Are you convinced? I wasn't sure as well,
because I'm a bit like you. I'm a traditionalist. I
love the seven A side game, but I just feel
the A and Z Premiership has become a bit stale
and we need some excitement and we need some fresh approach,
and so this I think will be ideal.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I think perhaps it would have been.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
It would have been nice for the coaches had they
known these rule changes prior to selecting their players. Absolutely
then they could have selected them based on, you know,
getting some long range shooters in there, because to be fair,
there are some shooters in our league that probably won't
be very good at putting those two point shots up.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Some will be very good.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
So that's been thrown at the coaches a little bit,
but I'm definitely a yay. It adds excitement, it brings
in the fans, So that's a definite es from.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Both of us.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Well, what's interesting though is that it's different to some
uncle and to the UK League. So they have gone
forward at three meters versus three point five and speaking
to neat New Zealand, that is off the back off.
Speaking to the players, it was the players that fed
back no, we want it to be consistent with fast five,
which makes sense. It makes me scratch my head and go, well,
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why did Osie do it different? Because they like to
be different they I mean, we're not shooters, but three
meters to three point point five of a meter probably
a little bit easier for the SECN girls to get
those two point shots, and half a meter is probably
a little bit you know as a shooter. Okay, next
one coach box Okay, So now both teams will have
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both coaches will have essentially a coach box and it's
three by one where they are allowed to stand in
and coach from the side. So it's very much like basketball.
So in front of the signage, yes they could. They
can jump over the old signage that sits there and
they can do whatever they do from from the coaching box.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Yay or a nay. Love. I love this.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Such a basket and I know Jenny, if she was here,
would be going eah.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
She hates the idea of this. I love it.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Look in netball, you want characters, and by having a coach,
Let's be honest, Donna Wilkins, she is going to be
so comfortable in this coach's box.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I want to see the coaches on.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
The sideline walking up and down, shouting out their instructions, Like,
I think this is fabulous. I think these are the
things we want to see a netbull. I know some
people were going to go, oh, that's a bit like basketball.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Well, hello, basketball.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Is a global game, is super successful and there's a
reason for it. So if we take some of those
clever things they've had in basketball, what's wrong with that?
I mean, no, lean, can you imagine what Knowles is
going to be like in the coach's box. Well, they
were all standing up the last kind of year. That
the bench has changed a lot. In the silver Ferns
they are standing up a lot more, and Knowles has
sort of walked up and down pay stuff and down
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the towel.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Throwing your towels around on the sideline.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I'm more that I just don't see that it's going
to change the game. I think if you're if you're
a coach sitting on the bench as opposed to the
coaching box, you can still get your message across to
the players. You can cropper sitting on it still. I
get what you mean. It's it's just adding another layer
of excitement and something different. Yes, I agree, but I
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don't think it's going to end add any advantage to
the teams, if you kind of get what I mean.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Okay, so that's a yay in an a from me. Okay, Okay.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Team timeouts So now they're suggesting that, well they're imposing
that we can have two ninety second timeouts per team,
so you can have one a half. Okay, So that's
four timeouts in total, which ends up being six minutes
six minutes of extra stoppages per match.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Yeah, you're an a Yet again, I'm a yay.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I love this because again, what people when you speak
to fans, one of the things that they love hearing
is coaches coaching, and they love it when there's a
microphone in there and you're hearing what the coaches are
having to say, you're hearing what players are having to say.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
This is four more opportunities to hear that. They may
not use it.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Again, yes, people may argue it's a bit like basketball
you don't always use your timeouts. Again, it's adding a
bit of strategy as well. When do you use it?
Do you use it? Back in the day, we used
to i'm a context fallen out. We'll just take two
minutes because the other team's on a roll. So again,
I think it brings in a bit of strategy. It
brings in the fans by adding another opportunity to hear
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what the coaches and players are going to say. So again,
love the innovation. Didn't we used to say before we
were injured, you know, and Chessy Kearney would run on,
We'd say banana just beforehand, so she knew that we're
faking out. I mean the game has come a long way.
I'm a yes as well, I'm a yak surprised. Ye, yes, well, yeah,
I was a little bit on the fence, but I
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thought no. I think it's a good way for the
players to learn, as you say, how to strategize. But
more importantly, how do I identify when a role has
been put on you or when things aren't going so well?
And I think now we rely too much on other
people trying to make that decision for us. So this
puts the onus on the players. They can call the
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time out and go, oh god, you know, they've just
scored four goals in a row. Something's going wrong here,
let's call the timeout.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Does it have to be a captain? It has to be.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
It needs to be requested by an on court player
to the captain after a goal has been scored, So
you can't just call it at any time after a
game's been scored, which makes sense.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Okay, So that's a ya and a ya.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
And the last one is the umpire mit during matches. Okay,
do you know how many times broadcasts to the crowd
and umpire blows their whistle in a game? They don't
blow their whistle after a goal has.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Been scored anymore. Do they know that changed about a
year ago two years ago.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Is the whole crowd is going to hear what the
umpire is saying for the whole game, and okay, great,
it'll add to the fan experience. The people, the spectators
in the crowd will have an understanding of what's going on.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
But my lord, I don't.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Think that's going to last because that whistle goes a
lot a lot of times, I guess, depending on the umpire.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
So I'm just not a fan.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
I think if you're they're watching a game, hope you
know enough about it to understand what's going on. I
get that it does perhaps bring the crowd in a
bit so they can understand. So I see that part.
But I think if I had to say yeah or
inn a, I'd be in a on that one.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I am so on the fence on this one.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Speaking to Jen and Etwi Zealand, they did trial this
a couple of years ago, I think maybe in Liverpool.
It was definitely overseas and they said it was brilliant
and fans loved it and they loved the fact that
instead of scratching their heads and being like what was
that call for? They absolutely hear it over the loud speaker.
But my worry is the same as yours. All I've
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got in.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
My brain is this screeching whistle.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
That's just getting blown all the time, and is that
going to overpower things? And then I was also worried.
You know, what I think they've done well in the
last few years is they've had music playing and different
things that.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Again have added to the atmosphere at the game.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
You know, will that still go And supposedly yes, they'll
still have all that music, but you're going to have
this umpire's you know voice, you know, going around the stadium.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
It sort of makes you think, do you remember in
the old.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Days and you'd go to cricket or something and old
people have the little a little wireless on listening to
the radio commentary as they watched the game.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
That's what.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
It's kind of like that, right, except it's going to
be loud and out there. So yeah, I'm on the fence,
I think, because I haven't experienced it, so I'm almost
I'm not sure if I'm just going to hear a
shrill whistle or if it's going to be just like
what we haven't at yet because when we're commentating, we
hear the rev consistently, and when you think about that,
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I don't think about the whistle, do you.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
When we're commentating, think of.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
How many times they'll go, they'll call it, or they'll
go advantage, goal, attack, advantage. We're going to be hearing
a lot of advantages, contact offsite like it's just it
is quite constant. But I think it'll be interesting after
that first round. There's going to be a lot going
on because as you say, there's still going to be
music pumping during halftimes. Will they pump the music out
during the timeouts as well? You know those ninety second timeouts,
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that's a chance to get it run up and get
the kiss cam go and you get it. That is
my worst night here, by the way, Oh my gosh,
getting caught on kiscamp. So I guess when you look
at all these rule changes, which team do you think
are going to benefit from it the most? You look
at that two point shot when I think of all
the teams and the shooters, merely and Echinasio for me,
stands out is probably one of the best long range shooters.
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I think she'll certainly pick up some two point shots.
Tana Salmon, I mean Fast five, that was she was brilliant.
I think a lot of people didn't know too much
about Mattina before Fast five, and then she was sinking
those two point shots. And she's playing Mainland Tactics this year.
She switched from the Pulse, so you know, does that hey?
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And again Donna Wilkins, she loves a long shot. She's
a basketball. Speaking of those coaches, we've got three of
our former players that we played with, Adeane Leanna debrayin,
Bubby Timmy pat of George Clark. George Clark always forget
which one she is, Donna and Wendy with the steer,
so we're Lean and Liota lean and Liota true And actually,
(32:04):
if you keep going Gable we played with her at
some point as well to Jonga Selby Rackett.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
She's also assistant for the Tactics.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
So, I mean, isn't it bizarre and cool that there's
this real swing around to sing everyone coaching? Yeah, and
I think those coaches, the ones that we've just named,
will really, you know, take on that coach's box and
they'll get in there, as you say, and I think
they'll embrace it. Donna will get that hand going and
the towels will be swinging, which is great. So I
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think needed to be done. You know, I think that
Ainzi was perhaps getting a little bit stale over the
last few years, so this will add.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Some excitement to it, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
And funny you say that because it was a great article.
Just the other day Lisa Alexander and Shannie Norder actually
spoke about welcoming New Zealand teams back because they also
felt like the Sun Corp is getting star So I
think that's good everyone's starting to have these conversations.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
They're looking at rule changes.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
But it's also good that that it's the Australians talking
about New Zealand coming and joining back as part of
the Trans Tasmin League as well.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
So who knows?
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Lots A lot is unknown about twenty twenty sixth and
that was an interesting article because Lisa Alexander thought that,
you know, grab one team from the South, one team
from the North, and those two are the teams that
would go over and play in that Sun court, which
got me thinking, you know what team from the South
would you just pick the best of the steal and
the tactics, and then would you have a team from
(33:35):
up north the best of all the others, Like, how
would that even roll if you did a South team
and a North team because the South team would be
an advantage straight away because there's only two teams down there. Look,
it'd be a hard one too, wouldn't it, because you know, yes,
you get paid to play netball, but you're getting even
more people that are going to have to move from
their home bases if you've only got two teams.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
So I mean a lot of.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Things you'd have to look into, and you'd have to
make sure those players were getting paid well enough for
them to make that commitment because you'd be flying to Australia.
Well you know, like the Breaker is like the Warriors,
You'll be spending a lot of time and some people
may not even want to be available for that. Well
let's be honest, they probably would because I'd love to be.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Part of it.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
So yet, a lot of things and actually a great
amount of opportunity. And you're hearing a lot from Liz Allis.
You know, she's the new chair chair Award and she
seems she is not scared to take a punt. She's
brave and so I think a lot could change over
the next couple of years. Well that aren't they bringing
out their ten year vision Australian Netball, So I'll be
(34:36):
interested to see. I think one of the one thing
that's in there is they're old bringing netball into the
Olympic sport in twenty year two, So I think she's
pushing that.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
But I guess just lastly, if we look.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
At what's been happening in the NETWORW world over the
last couple of months, the sol fans, they haven't played
since October since we won that Constellation Cup with Grace.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
The Nation's Cup.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Went ahead England Malawi again to South Africa. Great that
Uganda got third. England beat South Africa in the final,
so that was that was the Nation's Cup in January.
The top three nations didn't go. But what we did
is we went and played in a tournament with the Swifts.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Yeah, and I just find it so weird.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
I cannot think of in recent years when there has
been such a huge break of televised netball. It was
October last year, and yes A and Z is starting
later than usual, but we normally see something in January
so it's been quite strange and no one's.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Really given us a real reason.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Why why haven't we you know, why why didn't the
Silver Ferns go? Why didn't Australia go or Jamaica or Jamaica?
And then and I was also surprised how little information
even came out of that New South Wales trip for
the Ferns. You really didn't hear a lot or even
on socials. So yeah, a bit of a head scratcher
(35:55):
for me. Why we've been such a long time without netball? Yeah,
I guess the only benefit of that was that Noles
could take over her squad, so she took the extras
Catherine Hall from the Mystics, Toyava Tuy and Salmon, so
those four extra players got caught time. They played four
games in four days, so they replicated that World Cup
tournament kind of days, so that would have been of benefit.
(36:19):
And of course was the first hit out with Grace
not in the black dress, which.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Would have been which would have been weird.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
For her so well, but obviously they're keeping those that
connection piece with briany Ekel who had a call who
was the assistant coach of the Ferns, so I think
they would have got a lot out of it. But
we're not going to be seeing the ferns for a
very long time later on in the year. And I
guess who knows will Grace be there because she's sang
you know, as we heard earlier on in this episode,
(36:46):
she's manifesting it. Who knows if we just all keep
hoping that New Zealand may just change the rule.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
But that's it from us today.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Next week we will be getting into the nuts and
bolts of the A and Z teams for twenty.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Where the playered movement has been who to.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Look out for, and Jenny and I will give you
our picks for who we think will take out the
title in twenty twenty five. But until then, remember you
can download inside Netbil on iHeartRadio or wherever you get
your podcasts until next week.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
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