October 23, 2025 • 29 mins
The team are together to give an honest review of the first two matches against Australia. While searching for positives as we reach the halfway point of the Constellation Cup series, they also look ahead to the two must-win matches on home soil and - ask the question if the Silver Ferns off-court coaching drama is now taking its toll on the court?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Inside metfore getting you closer to the game you love
with Adean Wilson, Anna Stanley and Jenny Woods soured by
news talks that'd.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Be Kottakoto and welcome to Inside Netbill while two tests
down in the Constellation Cup and it's fair to say
the Ferns are making it hard for themselves to retain
the trophy twnail to the Diamonds. They crossed the ditch
this week back to New Zealand to finish the series.
Two mustwins to keep the series alive for the kiwis
the Inside Netwle team back once again? A Dean Jenny,
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it's a bit of a hard watch at Test two.
What are our overall impressions after two tests? A Dane, Oh,
I have to take a big breath. Well, my overall
impressions is we're not too bad for three quarters ah
and in fact it was great. I'm looking for the positives.
We actually won a quarter the second quarter in Test
two fifteen eleven. But wow, when you look at those
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two quarters and Test one twenty four eleven and twenty
one nine, those Aussies they get on a roll and
it's like we just don't even know how to stop
them gin in those moments.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I know, and I stayed up to watch it. I thought, right,
you know, this is our big moment, and I thought,
only trailing two at halftime, this could be the moment.
And boy out they came, and you know it was
pretty demoralizing.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
But I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
The thing that got me was just no rebounds.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Oh of concern, Yes for a dean that is high
on your ownh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
So I looked at the rebounds. So in the Australian
attacking circle, they got thirteen rebounds.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
To our two. Thirteen to two.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I mean thirteen potential goals that we first scored absolutely
and one we don't normally make them miss that often,
so we were doing a good job of making them mess.
We were either putting a great stretch over But how
are we not getting the rebounds? Georgia haw is a
meter seventy two, seventy two. She got three rebounds. That's
more than our whole defense of unit got. They only
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got two. So what is it at our positioning? What
is it that we're not being able to pick up
those rebounds because that's something we're normally pretty good at.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Well, the thing that got me was that, And they
were the defensive people I think who were getting those
rebounds last year, Kelly Jackson and.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Alan Burger, I mean cardam Berger. Two tests, she's been
very quiet. Haven't seen her get much pull. But the
amount of times, as you say, it was going into
Garvin and Austin over the heads. Kelly Jackson didn't even
look like she could get off the ground. She was
struggling to get up. And then they, as you say,
bore horgeous on and it was just unfortunate that at
the same time even mccausenury had made that change bringing
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Paris Mason on, and the hype mismatch was very evident.
Hargis was running rings around Mason and the change perhaps
needed to be taken sooner for Mason to come off,
and as a result, that was the blowout quarter twenty
one nine.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
How long do we know how long she had on court,
because I want to put it all on.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Seven minutes, yeah, yea, And really I was two minutes
she should have come off, I thought.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
But I mean I was pleased that. Yeah, she realized
what she'd done and she changed.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
It, but it needed to be quicker because I actually
think Initially I was like, okay, they've brought Paras on,
they're not picking up enough ball defensively. Good that they
made a change, but I'm with you any as soon
as they realized that hot On Australia have also made
a change a very different goal attack short nippy. She
usually plays wing attack Georgie Horges, and instantly she should
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have made that change back. But you know, neckbully seem
to go or let's settle them in, give them a
bit of time. No, be a bit more like basketball.
If you bring your seven foot er on against someone
who's six foot, you make the change because there's a mismatch.
So I think that in itself should have been Yeah,
even seven minutes. I can't believe now I look at
that stat that she was on that long because as well, you.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Know, Paris looked naked.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
She looked absolutely neck and no wonder if it was
just because of the speed of just made her look
as though she was knacked.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
She made a couple of errors, didn't she And I
just thought she looked well, she looked out of play,
she looked as though she's in mud.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
And look at the change I guess with her coming
into the twelve. So that was the only tweak from
Test one to two, Wormsley going out and Mason coming
in so straight away that to me says that they
were going to keep Grace on for the whole game
because with no Warmsley you had no other option. Otherwise
you'd put what Martine and Salmon back at goal shoot
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with heaf So as soon as Warmsley was out, that
was it. And then funnily enough, Grace has probably her
worst ever game in the black dress, when if it
was anyone else she would have been taken off the court.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, do you think is that a missed opportunity? Should
we should we try and play without her?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I think absolutely they need to have options. But the
thing is they didn't have the options in Test two
because Warmsley wasn't there. And I don't think they're looking
at Salmon at goal shoot, they're looking at her at
goal attack.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
But they could have put it. They could have put
her on.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Two very inexperienced shoot as though give it because it
would have been then Georgie heaven and who I thought
played at she very well and Martina said a bit
plan B. Look at what happened at the World Cut
when we lost Grace, and you also needed You saw
that Grace was roughled so she It's almost like you
needed to be able to take her for a couverments.
Go take a breath, have a drink of water, have
a little quiet chat with her, and then bring her
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back on. And maybe that's the way you could have
done it. Yes, you do have two experience, but just
give her a moment just to you know, suck it
all in. Because she was doing things I've never seen her.
The footwork thing, she was sort of the way she
was for their own body all tangled that is very
unlike her. I don't think it helped that we were
putting under it ridiculous pressure. The ball that we were
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putting in was just unfair at times, the people's expectation
on Grace. But I also do think I was just
watching at times the defensive unit on Grace. She was
getting smashed, Like the physicality on her. I feel like
if that was on anyone else, they would get called contact.
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And then the one time she sort of stood up
to it against Bruce, she gave Bruce the tiniest little
nudge she gets. Bruce played this lovely fair at grabbed
onto the pole and sort of hung off the pole
and Grace got called for contact.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
So I felt like she was a little bit hard
done by Grace last night.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I exied her going to play in the SECN because
it feels like they now know how to rattle her.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Bruce, Well, yes, although just going back to the to
the umpiring, because I did mention the umpiring before and
I was concerned about, you know, how did the umpires
come across as well?
Speaker 4 (06:34):
I think the check the umpires.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I didn't you be quite scathing of the umpires, but
I thought, yeah, I thought there were times where she
put herself under pressure that she didn't need to, and
that was with her whole body balance, the footwork, not
getting herself in a good strong position. She didn't look calm,
and then the more rattled she got, it just sort
of capitulated for her. And as you said, when the
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camera was on her every time and looked like she
was going to cry, she definitely she just was not set.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Yeah, yeah, she did.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
And to me, you know, with Grace as well, when
she starts doing she takes the ball out of the
goal and then she taps it against the goal.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Habit, she's gone as soon as I see that, I think.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Oh, you know, she always doesn't and she's done it
for a long time.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
She only not always, she does it in certain times
and it's almost like, I don't know if that's so.
You know how when you work with her sports like
it might be you wack your leg or you do
something to kind of go right, I en, did that,
move on? And I wonder if that's almost a habit
she's got into. It's like, right, finish that one, move
on to the next one. I don't know, but it's
something you're right, Gene. You see quite often that she does.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
The thing that I couldn't help but notice was the shots.
The shots at goal, New Zealand had fifty eight, Australia
had eighty five five eighty five.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Well, yeah, the diamonds had double more feeds than the
ferns and that just goes to show you the mid core.
And we haven't talked about Liz Watson, Malaya MVP and
Test one Watson test too, so the mid quarters are
really holding it together. For the Diamonds, Liz Watson the
sixth most capped diamond. Now they just get off that
line and we've talked about it in commentary. They don't
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do anything amazing, but they do it so well the
basic and time.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
And Jamie Lee Price, I want reliable. Yes, yes, I
feel like saying, you know, we taught her everything we know,
I mean taught everything she knows.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I don't know that we did, but yeah, they had
that connection into the circle and as a result they
got to what eighty five eighty five goals, and we
were it was struggles Street again, those connections into grace,
I mean they bought Tweavaron. There's a couple of key
positions if we're to look at the silver ferns seven,
for me, it's the wing attack position and I think
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the gold offense position whether we keep Burger in there
or slide her to win defense. So they started me
really buchen and again we were both a little bit flapped,
you know, the muse as to why that happened, given
her performance and Test one, And we talked about it
in the last pod about what I think Toyava is
a starting wing attack. She gains confidence. She's not good
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on impact. She came on in that last quarter. Yes,
she first got the ball turned straight into where he
gave those long balls in. But Apart from that, she
just could not get free from Jamie Lee Price and
that's what you need is a wing attack. They nullified her.
So then I go, well, are they not playing to
Peter's potential? They should probably have the goal attack coming
off the center pass or cut in and Peter getting
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that second phase penetration to the goal circle, get that
long one rather than and then she.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Can feed in.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
So then I go, well, what's the game plan? Where's
the game plan? And I go is there one?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Well?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I couldn't even remember last year, and I had to
ask you to. I was like, who played wing attack
last year when they won? And Annie, like you said,
it was commute to Poi And a lot of people
are asking why is she not getting more caught time
because she didn't. I actually wondered if she would have
started in this game, because she actually finished quite well
in test one. I thought, can you order Pois? But
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that wing attack position for me is a real issue.
And then I actually wonder, because you've just mentioned gold
defense as a problem as well, I would like to
see them actually try if it's not working, maybe not
start with it, but push everyone up caught one push
cut in across the wing defense, push Kate Heathnen into
center and Maddie Gordon at wing attack because Maddie is
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very good at getting free gen when she's marked tight
and that that to me, is the real piece missing
in that wing attack position. We've got wing attacks that
can't get Jamie Lee or Palming to off their backs.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
And who would you have it at Gold? Would you
keep the Gold defense and go.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, that's that's the tricky one. Poll car and across
would you do haul at Gold defense?
Speaker 4 (10:51):
What did you think I would do? See?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
I would I'd be tempted to do haul, and I'd
try and get from Kelly Jackson what's going on and
just say, you know, come on girl, I know how
well you can play, but.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Is it that speed? And we did speak to Catherine
Hall after the game as well. The middies their passing
is so on point and so quick, so normally you've
got time to react. Our defense are just their heads
are spinning. They're just spinning. They're being really reactive. They're
not being proactive. So do they need to take more
control before the ball gets down the courts? So they're
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actually instead of just reacting if they run there or
quick we'll run over there and look to get the intercept.
It's like, we need to be really proactive before the
pass even gets to the circle edge because that ball's
just spinning.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
I mean, you're seeing the heads. Can't compete with them
one on one.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I think we need to perhaps, as you say, go
back to defensively what we're good at, and it's that
that zone defense, that mark the space, give themselves an
opportunity to come out and get the ball. Yeah, so
for me, But then you go, gosh, if you do
that with Catherine Hall at Gold offense, what this is
her third test and she's like our starting Gold offense,
you know against Australia, why not does that show our
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lack of depth or our lack of succession planning in
these positions where we're giving these players.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
When you think of succession planning, look at who Look
at the coaches, I mean, you know, and that's no
disrespect to them, because I think they're fantastic and they've
been thrown a really tough situation. But they wouldn't have
been expecting to be here, to be there, to be
you know, in this competition. So they were watching from
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the cow so you know, we've got to cut them
a bit of slack, but also just realize that.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
I don't know, this is the mental fatigue is kicking in.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
So you look at quarters twenty four to eleven thirteen,
twenty one, nine twelve, you know it's twelve twelve difference
and you can't help but think, you know, when things
go wrong and it has capitulated for them in those quarters,
that everything else that's been happening in the in the
netwle New Zealand world is just starting to take its toll.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
I think you saw that too.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
In Cardenberger's interview postmatch, she looked on the verge of
tears like she's and you can't fault the effort that
these girls are putting in, like they are throwing everything
at it and they just can't seem to, you know,
get over that hurdle. And she brought up without being
prompted in that postmatch about the noise and how how
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the fatigue that that's caused, and she also did that
in the in the postmatch press conference as well. So
it's you can't hide from it. It's there and it's
going to protect you. I think that leadership group are
taking a huge amount of that do you think normally
when you're the captain or vice captain, whoever it is,
you're off to do some media stuff and you know,
(13:54):
I get to chat about the game and the you
know this that every time they're almost on the defense
ready to you know, how am I going to answer this?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Like that?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Must gen be really draining on you mentally when you're
worried about even walking in front of a reporter.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yeah, well absolutely, And I'm going to miss them. I'm
going to try and find out if there are any
tickets available for Sunday because I feel I want to
really support these players, these players because people yes, but
I mean and and you know, and pay I mean
normally you know we don't pay.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
But but no, and let's take your broadcast, little card.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
A ripping them off. No, no, seriously though, but I
would like to show my support, which I mean also
we'll do nothing for them, but I think it.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
We'll do something for them. Gin.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I think if more people came out and we're vocally
like we've got your back, we're here, we love the
silver ferns, I think that would mean a lot to
people because they that you can see that they are
feeling the weight of.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
All of this on their shoulders.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
And you look at that, like the mental fatigue, and
and you go all the you know we've talked about,
you know, the rebounds, the defense. You know, I think
Karen Kelly Jackson got one rebound, two intercepts, Burger got
one intercepts. You know, defensively, we need to be better
attacking wise, we got seventy percent center pass average. You know,
we're not getting that penetration to circule edge. But you
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look at everything else and you go, well, leadership is
also a big one for me. You know, you've got
Carden Burger, who's been the quietest on the court's she's
our captain, and when things aren't going well, you sort
of want to turn to someone, you know who can
do something amazing, and there's just been really no one
in the seven. I mean, I know they've been trying hard,
but often the more harder you try, the worse it gets.
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And I just feel that, you know, leadership has been
a big one, but as you say, it's that toll
that is now playing a big part on those those
leadership girls, your Grace, your Carden, jack and Jackson, you
know they were those three were very quiet.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
So what would you do? What would you do? You're
coming back to New Zealand, You've got tests and they're
going to.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Be better coming back to you. I'm trying to work
this out. I'm coming back to the media stand here in.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
New Zealand, just which sometimes the media would shut up.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Which cracks me up that you say that, because the media,
I know, Yeah, it is, it's it's it's certainly tough.
And you look at those intercepts. You're right, ten intercepts.
The Diamonds got to three. When do we only get
three intercepts in a whole match? And you're mentioning there
about that space marking when I think about when we've
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played well as the sort of fans you talk about
hunting as a pack and you see that they fill
the middle space and there's four of them, there's four
black dresses and no one can get through, and you're
entirely right, And he made me think, then it's not there.
They're all working in isolation, and they're working hard in isolation.
But how do you go back to what has worked
well in the past, Is that that work is a pack,
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that four prong defense And yeah, so those are the
little tweet like you sit and I've got today will
be a travel day, so we're already on.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
You know what what travel.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Days to travel because God the weather is.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Okay currently though, and then just get the bus, go
down to the tron, down to the try literally today's
travel and recovery so they'll be doing pull massage. Then
you've literally got Friday Saturday boom. You're on and you
can't use You can train to a certain extent because
they're fit enough that you can train the next couple
of days, but you also want to be fresh. So
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I don't know what what is it? Do you need
to go and have some fun together? Like once upon
a time you go and have a couple of wings, think.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Two days, yes, when you need it.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
So is that what you do? Do you just actually
get away from netball?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Is it to that point for the second half of
the one of the days you get away and you
go and have some fun together.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Fun is quite consuming And we talked to George Chiffan
and at the end of the game and she said
the same thing. She said, we know what we've we
we are supposed to be doing, but we're just not
doing it. And so then you think, well, have they
just got so much going on in their heads that
they do just need.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
To have a brarief, go away, go and do something.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
They need a little bit of, you know, a recreation
officer to come and join them creation.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
That's a new position. Well, not thought about a recreation officer.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Could you do that's that's recreation but doesn't take too
much of your energy.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
We'll have to think about how to think about that.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
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Speaker 2 (18:42):
Well, we were going to rate the rate the players,
you know, after their two test performances, out of ten
and just sort of going through a lot of mine
a Dean, we're a lot of fives and six Oh yeah, same.
I guess could we break it up into maybe the
mid court defense and shooting in. So let's start with
the shooting in. So you've had Wicky, Salmon, Warmsley hef
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What would we give them a mark out of ten
in terms of their performances to date? Well, I feel
that because I'm going to only give Grace a five.
But that's because I'm comparing her against Grace's standard and
Grace's standard is a lot higher than the normal standard,
so I'm going to give her five because I've not
seen her rattled like that before. So I actually thought
she played pretty well on the first Test. I think
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she was very vocal, and you know, in the first
Test she shot thirty seven from forty one. You know,
didn't make anywhere near the amount of erarors where she
looked rattled. So I took it down to five, and
I feel bad at that, but I actually gave Heiffenan
and Salmon a seven. I actually went a seven because
this is the first time that I've played Australia. And yes,
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Salmon made a few mistakes and same with heaven And
but overall, I actually think they did not too badly.
They still aren't the option and that i'd like when
the ball comes through the court. I think that timing
is off, but in their circle play, I thought there
was some good stuff, so I'm looking for positives. Though, Jen,
I'm like, well.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Yeah, I know, but honestly, how do you give Salmon,
because I mean, I agree with you. I thought she
was she played well on the first Test, but not
so well no a second So you know you've got contrasting,
and she.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Still made a couple of key errors in that first
test that showed her inexperience. I think there was one
when she was about to shoot it and she just
turned and threw it to toy Java on the circle
agin it was nowhere near to a Java and Liz
Watson just intercepted little things like that that she'll improve.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
What did you agree, Samn?
Speaker 2 (20:36):
I agree five out of ten, five for Salmon. I
gave haul Sorry heffen In a six out of ten
for coming on last night. She did her job ten
from eleven and just her entry into the circle and
her movement she was getting and I talked about in
the commentary she was getting off the body. I think
we've become so consumed with getting on the body against
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Australia that we lack the ability to see the space.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
So yep for me. So she looked very much at home,
didn't she?
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (21:07):
What I thought?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
She was very smart at Heffnon as well. She recognized
that the defensively they would be on her, but then
they dropped very quickly onto wiki. But then she do
a little in and out, So she was actually being
very smart about how to play herself.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
In so mid court. So Maddie Gordon, has she had
a break? She didn't.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
She played the full game in that test too, So
you've got Gordon, Toyava, HEF's been in that center position.
I thought HEF's been a bit quiet. I thought she
was better at wing defense last night, in particularly on attack.
She really did punch that ball through court because we
needed it. I've given Heaf for five and a half
out of ten, Toyava a five in terms of her
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ability to get the ball, and to Grace a four
and a half in terms of her ability to get
free off the line. And I think that's going to
be an ongoing problem with her. Is it her fitness?
I don't know, Well is she fit?
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Because somebody was telling me that which and I saw
the strap in myself, you know, like she's quite a
heavily strapped thigh.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Well, when you've got Jamie Lee Price on you, who
is just that one on one defense, you know it's
four seconds, you know, and Toeava has got to do
the work earlier off the line. And we heard Leane
Eliota and that test to say that more zero phases needed.
That perhaps wasn't done Gordon for me, the standout MIDI
so far, and we haven't even seen her at wing attack,
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so I've given her a seven out of ten. I
thought she had good punch through the middle. She's played
all but one minute. She played sixty minutes in game
two and fifty nine in game one, and that's why
I think there's something to be had about putting her
at wing attack, because I just really feel like she
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is the one that I have full confidence that will
be able to get free. She's fast off that line,
She's had a bit more experience now when you've already
got a goal attack, whether at seven or heffen, and
that are in experience. If you've got that experience on
the line.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
She is a talker.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
You see her, you know vocal a lot, and we've
seen Heaven and so the two strongest middies for me
are heaven And and Gordon. So that's why I think I
would put them at center and wing attack, because that
seems to be where a lot of our trouble is
is off the center pass and the ball coming through
court and getting that flow. The other thing we we've
talked about is just that quick release that it worked
when they turned and released it when they turned and
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hesitated and then.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Threw the long one into Grace.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
It gave Arian time to get in the circle and
up for the ball. So the quick release is lost,
and that gets lost when you lose that cohesion and
that those connections with your teammates, and the confidence is gone,
the trust is gone, and that's I think added to
Wikis frustration because she had her arm up. She's like, yep,
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I agree, But I also think Grace just stands in
the circle too well. She didn't test too she stood
in the circle too low. She needed to get higher
and offer a front space. She's just whole too much
and wanting the backspace. And when you've got two defenders
on you, it's pretty tough. Okay, defensively, who do you reckon?
Was the standout for you? Jen, You've got Jackson Hall, Burger,
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Mason Hefner was.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
The standup for me, even though I didn't think she
was quite as good last night as she was the
other night. And Catherine Hall, yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Think it was.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I mean, she came on and she did not disgrace herself.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
She's got quick feet, she's got great anticipation. I think
it would be a great combination to see her and
Jackson in the circle. So yeah, Jackson for me, hasn't
had her finest two tests. Burger is doing a lot
of graft work not getting much ball. We're used to
seeing her doing the graft work and picking up ball.
So it just goes to show how much intensity goes
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up a notch when you play the Aussies.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
It's so much harder to get ball.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
But as you say, I think that we need to
change the game plan defensively to a nab us to
get it and hefen And yeah I have. I haven't
been overly impressed with her at wing defense. I think
when she plays center she's a lot more effective. Will
she been effective more so on attack than defense, almost
like she's been quite a key person bringing the ball
through court.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
How many long feeds has she put into wiki as well?
Speaker 2 (25:18):
So she's actually fed the circle from there. But I
think Burger has certainly been more effective in that wing
defense position than we've seen. But yeah, I mean, it's
it's tough and then you start thinking, is who are
we missing? Like I know a few people have made
themselves unavailable, but I don't think Jane Watson would fix
this issue either, you know, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Sure might is the one and that would make a difference.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Last year's version of the pass SLBI Ricken, Yeah, because
I was mentioning her to someone last night and.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Version because she was very good.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
But yes, absolutely right, and I thought she was good.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Yeah, so it is it's kind of like, who's not
available that would make an impact me around one hundred percent.
You're right, potentially TP, but there's not anyone really defensively.
I'm like, oh, they need that person in there, so
they've got to work with what they've got.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Perhaps they need Evon willrang our mate Evan.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
You can't do a bit of a defensive session because
that is her strength, that is her forte, that that
zone marking. But when you look at Amelia An, you forget.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
You pull her out. She's the starting goal attet. You
pull her out. She's a captain so.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
And she's how many tests there are not going?
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Yeah, there's a lot missing from the lot.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
And that's a really good point, Jen, when you look
at the test cap difference. So between the two squads
last night, the total caps were Australia five hundred and
twenty two New Zealand three hundred and twenty seven, there's
almost two hundred test caps. Different experience counts. It does,
especially when you're in and when you're in a power
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you need to get out of it. And so we're
missing two hundred test caps.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
There, so you know that's tough. But look, I'm not
giving up on this though. I think I think they've
been there or thereabouts.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
When I look at those quarter scores in front of you,
adain that first test they drew the first you know,
the second sorry, the first quarter, the second, second quarter
that it was two in it. It wasn't really until
the last quarter that blew out. And then obviously in
Test two they won a quarter and it was that
third quarter. So it's just being able to sustain that
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absorb that pressure for sixty minutes and that's where the
Aussies are getting us at the moment. Okay, if we
were to think of coming across the ditch back to
New Zealand two tests, we need to win the next
one to keep this series alive. What's one key thing
that you'd like to see from the from the silver
Ferns looking into Game three? Is it their defense? Is
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it their their attack? Is it their leadership? I mean,
what do we want to see. I want them to
look a bit more refresh. I want them to go
and find recreator of kind of whack it and get
a bit of many part that's somewhere in between. Yeah,
I don't know, or they need to find something fun
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to do. But for me, a really easy Foxus rebounds
like just yeah, your damn rebounds, because that in itself
could make a significant difference if I had one thing,
go and have some fun, find some fun somehow, just
to take some pressure off, you know, because you know
when you laugh and you're having time together.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
And just releases a bit of press.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Happy team, a happy team as a successful team, and
there's really something in that.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
And you look at them at the end of the game.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
They look demoralized, dejected, and yeah, it's got to be
playing a toll. So I agree, something fun. I'll go
defense because I think we can't have Australia playing the
way they have in the last two tests.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
They are dominating. We need to be more proactive.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Get out there and get some intercepts, get that zone
defense going in game two, Game three.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Yeah, Well, defense wins games, isn't it. I think that's
what I do.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Wins championships. They say attack wins game. Defense is the
best form of attack.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Yes, honestly, Well, I think let's hope that by crossing
the ditch and coming home that they find something and
can resurrect the performance that they put out on court.
So that's it from us for another episode. We'll be
back towards the end of next week wrapping the last
two games of the Constellation Cup, and it's hope things
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are brighter and we can chat about some great performances
from the Silver Fans team until next week.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Marti Wa
Inside metfore getting you closer to the game you love
with Adean Wilson, Anna Stanley and Jenny Woods soured by
news talks that'd.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Be Kottakoto and welcome to Inside Netbill while two tests
down in the Constellation Cup and it's fair to say
the Ferns are making it hard for themselves to retain
the trophy twnail to the Diamonds. They crossed the ditch
this week back to New Zealand to finish the series.
Two mustwins to keep the series alive for the kiwis
the Inside Netwle team back once again? A Dean Jenny,
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it's a bit of a hard watch at Test two.
What are our overall impressions after two tests? A Dane, Oh,
I have to take a big breath. Well, my overall
impressions is we're not too bad for three quarters ah
and in fact it was great. I'm looking for the positives.
We actually won a quarter the second quarter in Test
two fifteen eleven. But wow, when you look at those
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two quarters and Test one twenty four eleven and twenty
one nine, those Aussies they get on a roll and
it's like we just don't even know how to stop
them gin in those moments.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I know, and I stayed up to watch it. I thought, right,
you know, this is our big moment, and I thought,
only trailing two at halftime, this could be the moment.
And boy out they came, and you know it was
pretty demoralizing.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
But I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
The thing that got me was just no rebounds.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Oh of concern, Yes for a dean that is high
on your ownh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
So I looked at the rebounds. So in the Australian
attacking circle, they got thirteen rebounds.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
To our two. Thirteen to two.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I mean thirteen potential goals that we first scored absolutely
and one we don't normally make them miss that often,
so we were doing a good job of making them mess.
We were either putting a great stretch over But how
are we not getting the rebounds? Georgia haw is a
meter seventy two, seventy two. She got three rebounds. That's
more than our whole defense of unit got. They only
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got two. So what is it at our positioning? What
is it that we're not being able to pick up
those rebounds because that's something we're normally pretty good at.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Well, the thing that got me was that, And they
were the defensive people I think who were getting those
rebounds last year, Kelly Jackson and.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Alan Burger, I mean cardam Berger. Two tests, she's been
very quiet. Haven't seen her get much pull. But the
amount of times, as you say, it was going into
Garvin and Austin over the heads. Kelly Jackson didn't even
look like she could get off the ground. She was
struggling to get up. And then they, as you say,
bore horgeous on and it was just unfortunate that at
the same time even mccausenury had made that change bringing
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Paris Mason on, and the hype mismatch was very evident.
Hargis was running rings around Mason and the change perhaps
needed to be taken sooner for Mason to come off,
and as a result, that was the blowout quarter twenty
one nine.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
How long do we know how long she had on court,
because I want to put it all on.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Seven minutes, yeah, yea, And really I was two minutes
she should have come off, I thought.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
But I mean I was pleased that. Yeah, she realized
what she'd done and she changed.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
It, but it needed to be quicker because I actually
think Initially I was like, okay, they've brought Paras on,
they're not picking up enough ball defensively. Good that they
made a change, but I'm with you any as soon
as they realized that hot On Australia have also made
a change a very different goal attack short nippy. She
usually plays wing attack Georgie Horges, and instantly she should
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have made that change back. But you know, neckbully seem
to go or let's settle them in, give them a
bit of time. No, be a bit more like basketball.
If you bring your seven foot er on against someone
who's six foot, you make the change because there's a mismatch.
So I think that in itself should have been Yeah,
even seven minutes. I can't believe now I look at
that stat that she was on that long because as well, you.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Know, Paris looked naked.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
She looked absolutely neck and no wonder if it was
just because of the speed of just made her look
as though she was knacked.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
She made a couple of errors, didn't she And I
just thought she looked well, she looked out of play,
she looked as though she's in mud.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
And look at the change I guess with her coming
into the twelve. So that was the only tweak from
Test one to two, Wormsley going out and Mason coming
in so straight away that to me says that they
were going to keep Grace on for the whole game
because with no Warmsley you had no other option. Otherwise
you'd put what Martine and Salmon back at goal shoot
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with heaf So as soon as Warmsley was out, that
was it. And then funnily enough, Grace has probably her
worst ever game in the black dress, when if it
was anyone else she would have been taken off the court.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, do you think is that a missed opportunity? Should
we should we try and play without her?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I think absolutely they need to have options. But the
thing is they didn't have the options in Test two
because Warmsley wasn't there. And I don't think they're looking
at Salmon at goal shoot, they're looking at her at
goal attack.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
But they could have put it. They could have put
her on.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Two very inexperienced shoot as though give it because it
would have been then Georgie heaven and who I thought
played at she very well and Martina said a bit
plan B. Look at what happened at the World Cut
when we lost Grace, and you also needed You saw
that Grace was roughled so she It's almost like you
needed to be able to take her for a couverments.
Go take a breath, have a drink of water, have
a little quiet chat with her, and then bring her
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back on. And maybe that's the way you could have
done it. Yes, you do have two experience, but just
give her a moment just to you know, suck it
all in. Because she was doing things I've never seen her.
The footwork thing, she was sort of the way she
was for their own body all tangled that is very
unlike her. I don't think it helped that we were
putting under it ridiculous pressure. The ball that we were
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putting in was just unfair at times, the people's expectation
on Grace. But I also do think I was just
watching at times the defensive unit on Grace. She was
getting smashed, Like the physicality on her. I feel like
if that was on anyone else, they would get called contact.
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And then the one time she sort of stood up
to it against Bruce, she gave Bruce the tiniest little
nudge she gets. Bruce played this lovely fair at grabbed
onto the pole and sort of hung off the pole
and Grace got called for contact.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
So I felt like she was a little bit hard
done by Grace last night.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I exied her going to play in the SECN because
it feels like they now know how to rattle her.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Bruce, Well, yes, although just going back to the to
the umpiring, because I did mention the umpiring before and
I was concerned about, you know, how did the umpires
come across as well?
Speaker 4 (06:34):
I think the check the umpires.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I didn't you be quite scathing of the umpires, but
I thought, yeah, I thought there were times where she
put herself under pressure that she didn't need to, and
that was with her whole body balance, the footwork, not
getting herself in a good strong position. She didn't look calm,
and then the more rattled she got, it just sort
of capitulated for her. And as you said, when the
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camera was on her every time and looked like she
was going to cry, she definitely she just was not set.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Yeah, yeah, she did.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
And to me, you know, with Grace as well, when
she starts doing she takes the ball out of the
goal and then she taps it against the goal.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Habit, she's gone as soon as I see that, I think.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Oh, you know, she always doesn't and she's done it
for a long time.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
She only not always, she does it in certain times
and it's almost like, I don't know if that's so.
You know how when you work with her sports like
it might be you wack your leg or you do
something to kind of go right, I en, did that,
move on? And I wonder if that's almost a habit
she's got into. It's like, right, finish that one, move
on to the next one. I don't know, but it's
something you're right, Gene. You see quite often that she does.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
The thing that I couldn't help but notice was the shots.
The shots at goal, New Zealand had fifty eight, Australia
had eighty five five eighty five.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Well, yeah, the diamonds had double more feeds than the
ferns and that just goes to show you the mid core.
And we haven't talked about Liz Watson, Malaya MVP and
Test one Watson test too, so the mid quarters are
really holding it together. For the Diamonds, Liz Watson the
sixth most capped diamond. Now they just get off that
line and we've talked about it in commentary. They don't
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do anything amazing, but they do it so well the
basic and time.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
And Jamie Lee Price, I want reliable. Yes, yes, I
feel like saying, you know, we taught her everything we know,
I mean taught everything she knows.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I don't know that we did, but yeah, they had
that connection into the circle and as a result they
got to what eighty five eighty five goals, and we
were it was struggles Street again, those connections into grace,
I mean they bought Tweavaron. There's a couple of key
positions if we're to look at the silver ferns seven,
for me, it's the wing attack position and I think
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the gold offense position whether we keep Burger in there
or slide her to win defense. So they started me
really buchen and again we were both a little bit flapped,
you know, the muse as to why that happened, given
her performance and Test one, And we talked about it
in the last pod about what I think Toyava is
a starting wing attack. She gains confidence. She's not good
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on impact. She came on in that last quarter. Yes,
she first got the ball turned straight into where he
gave those long balls in. But Apart from that, she
just could not get free from Jamie Lee Price and
that's what you need is a wing attack. They nullified her.
So then I go, well, are they not playing to
Peter's potential? They should probably have the goal attack coming
off the center pass or cut in and Peter getting
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that second phase penetration to the goal circle, get that
long one rather than and then she.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Can feed in.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
So then I go, well, what's the game plan? Where's
the game plan? And I go is there one?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Well?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I couldn't even remember last year, and I had to
ask you to. I was like, who played wing attack
last year when they won? And Annie, like you said,
it was commute to Poi And a lot of people
are asking why is she not getting more caught time
because she didn't. I actually wondered if she would have
started in this game, because she actually finished quite well
in test one. I thought, can you order Pois? But
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that wing attack position for me is a real issue.
And then I actually wonder, because you've just mentioned gold
defense as a problem as well, I would like to
see them actually try if it's not working, maybe not
start with it, but push everyone up caught one push
cut in across the wing defense, push Kate Heathnen into
center and Maddie Gordon at wing attack because Maddie is
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very good at getting free gen when she's marked tight
and that that to me, is the real piece missing
in that wing attack position. We've got wing attacks that
can't get Jamie Lee or Palming to off their backs.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
And who would you have it at Gold? Would you
keep the Gold defense and go.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, that's that's the tricky one. Poll car and across
would you do haul at Gold defense?
Speaker 4 (10:51):
What did you think I would do? See?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
I would I'd be tempted to do haul, and I'd
try and get from Kelly Jackson what's going on and
just say, you know, come on girl, I know how
well you can play, but.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Is it that speed? And we did speak to Catherine
Hall after the game as well. The middies their passing
is so on point and so quick, so normally you've
got time to react. Our defense are just their heads
are spinning. They're just spinning. They're being really reactive. They're
not being proactive. So do they need to take more
control before the ball gets down the courts? So they're
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actually instead of just reacting if they run there or
quick we'll run over there and look to get the intercept.
It's like, we need to be really proactive before the
pass even gets to the circle edge because that ball's
just spinning.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
I mean, you're seeing the heads. Can't compete with them
one on one.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I think we need to perhaps, as you say, go
back to defensively what we're good at, and it's that
that zone defense, that mark the space, give themselves an
opportunity to come out and get the ball. Yeah, so
for me, But then you go, gosh, if you do
that with Catherine Hall at Gold offense, what this is
her third test and she's like our starting Gold offense,
you know against Australia, why not does that show our
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lack of depth or our lack of succession planning in
these positions where we're giving these players.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
When you think of succession planning, look at who Look
at the coaches, I mean, you know, and that's no
disrespect to them, because I think they're fantastic and they've
been thrown a really tough situation. But they wouldn't have
been expecting to be here, to be there, to be
you know, in this competition. So they were watching from
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the cow so you know, we've got to cut them
a bit of slack, but also just realize that.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
I don't know, this is the mental fatigue is kicking in.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
So you look at quarters twenty four to eleven thirteen,
twenty one, nine twelve, you know it's twelve twelve difference
and you can't help but think, you know, when things
go wrong and it has capitulated for them in those quarters,
that everything else that's been happening in the in the
netwle New Zealand world is just starting to take its toll.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
I think you saw that too.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
In Cardenberger's interview postmatch, she looked on the verge of
tears like she's and you can't fault the effort that
these girls are putting in, like they are throwing everything
at it and they just can't seem to, you know,
get over that hurdle. And she brought up without being
prompted in that postmatch about the noise and how how
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the fatigue that that's caused, and she also did that
in the in the postmatch press conference as well. So
it's you can't hide from it. It's there and it's
going to protect you. I think that leadership group are
taking a huge amount of that do you think normally
when you're the captain or vice captain, whoever it is,
you're off to do some media stuff and you know,
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I get to chat about the game and the you
know this that every time they're almost on the defense
ready to you know, how am I going to answer this?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Like that?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Must gen be really draining on you mentally when you're
worried about even walking in front of a reporter.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yeah, well absolutely, And I'm going to miss them. I'm
going to try and find out if there are any
tickets available for Sunday because I feel I want to
really support these players, these players because people yes, but
I mean and and you know, and pay I mean
normally you know we don't pay.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
But but no, and let's take your broadcast, little card.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
A ripping them off. No, no, seriously though, but I
would like to show my support, which I mean also
we'll do nothing for them, but I think it.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
We'll do something for them. Gin.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I think if more people came out and we're vocally
like we've got your back, we're here, we love the
silver ferns, I think that would mean a lot to
people because they that you can see that they are
feeling the weight of.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
All of this on their shoulders.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
And you look at that, like the mental fatigue, and
and you go all the you know we've talked about,
you know, the rebounds, the defense. You know, I think
Karen Kelly Jackson got one rebound, two intercepts, Burger got
one intercepts. You know, defensively, we need to be better
attacking wise, we got seventy percent center pass average. You know,
we're not getting that penetration to circule edge. But you
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look at everything else and you go, well, leadership is
also a big one for me. You know, you've got
Carden Burger, who's been the quietest on the court's she's
our captain, and when things aren't going well, you sort
of want to turn to someone, you know who can
do something amazing, and there's just been really no one
in the seven. I mean, I know they've been trying hard,
but often the more harder you try, the worse it gets.
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And I just feel that, you know, leadership has been
a big one, but as you say, it's that toll
that is now playing a big part on those those
leadership girls, your Grace, your Carden, jack and Jackson, you
know they were those three were very quiet.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
So what would you do? What would you do? You're
coming back to New Zealand, You've got tests and they're
going to.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Be better coming back to you. I'm trying to work
this out. I'm coming back to the media stand here in.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
New Zealand, just which sometimes the media would shut up.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Which cracks me up that you say that, because the media,
I know, Yeah, it is, it's it's it's certainly tough.
And you look at those intercepts. You're right, ten intercepts.
The Diamonds got to three. When do we only get
three intercepts in a whole match? And you're mentioning there
about that space marking when I think about when we've
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played well as the sort of fans you talk about
hunting as a pack and you see that they fill
the middle space and there's four of them, there's four
black dresses and no one can get through, and you're
entirely right, And he made me think, then it's not there.
They're all working in isolation, and they're working hard in isolation.
But how do you go back to what has worked
well in the past, Is that that work is a pack,
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that four prong defense And yeah, so those are the
little tweet like you sit and I've got today will
be a travel day, so we're already on.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
You know what what travel.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Days to travel because God the weather is.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Okay currently though, and then just get the bus, go
down to the tron, down to the try literally today's
travel and recovery so they'll be doing pull massage. Then
you've literally got Friday Saturday boom. You're on and you
can't use You can train to a certain extent because
they're fit enough that you can train the next couple
of days, but you also want to be fresh. So
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I don't know what what is it? Do you need
to go and have some fun together? Like once upon
a time you go and have a couple of wings, think.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Two days, yes, when you need it.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
So is that what you do? Do you just actually
get away from netball?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Is it to that point for the second half of
the one of the days you get away and you
go and have some fun together.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Fun is quite consuming And we talked to George Chiffan
and at the end of the game and she said
the same thing. She said, we know what we've we
we are supposed to be doing, but we're just not
doing it. And so then you think, well, have they
just got so much going on in their heads that
they do just need.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
To have a brarief, go away, go and do something.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
They need a little bit of, you know, a recreation
officer to come and join them creation.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
That's a new position. Well, not thought about a recreation officer.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Could you do that's that's recreation but doesn't take too
much of your energy.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
We'll have to think about how to think about that.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
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Speaker 2 (18:42):
Well, we were going to rate the rate the players,
you know, after their two test performances, out of ten
and just sort of going through a lot of mine
a Dean, we're a lot of fives and six Oh yeah, same.
I guess could we break it up into maybe the
mid court defense and shooting in. So let's start with
the shooting in. So you've had Wicky, Salmon, Warmsley hef
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What would we give them a mark out of ten
in terms of their performances to date? Well, I feel
that because I'm going to only give Grace a five.
But that's because I'm comparing her against Grace's standard and
Grace's standard is a lot higher than the normal standard,
so I'm going to give her five because I've not
seen her rattled like that before. So I actually thought
she played pretty well on the first Test. I think
(19:27):
she was very vocal, and you know, in the first
Test she shot thirty seven from forty one. You know,
didn't make anywhere near the amount of erarors where she
looked rattled. So I took it down to five, and
I feel bad at that, but I actually gave Heiffenan
and Salmon a seven. I actually went a seven because
this is the first time that I've played Australia. And yes,
(19:49):
Salmon made a few mistakes and same with heaven And
but overall, I actually think they did not too badly.
They still aren't the option and that i'd like when
the ball comes through the court. I think that timing
is off, but in their circle play, I thought there
was some good stuff, so I'm looking for positives. Though, Jen,
I'm like, well.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Yeah, I know, but honestly, how do you give Salmon,
because I mean, I agree with you. I thought she
was she played well on the first Test, but not
so well no a second So you know you've got contrasting,
and she.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Still made a couple of key errors in that first
test that showed her inexperience. I think there was one
when she was about to shoot it and she just
turned and threw it to toy Java on the circle
agin it was nowhere near to a Java and Liz
Watson just intercepted little things like that that she'll improve.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
What did you agree, Samn?
Speaker 2 (20:36):
I agree five out of ten, five for Salmon. I
gave haul Sorry heffen In a six out of ten
for coming on last night. She did her job ten
from eleven and just her entry into the circle and
her movement she was getting and I talked about in
the commentary she was getting off the body. I think
we've become so consumed with getting on the body against
(20:56):
Australia that we lack the ability to see the space.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
So yep for me. So she looked very much at home,
didn't she?
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (21:07):
What I thought?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
She was very smart at Heffnon as well. She recognized
that the defensively they would be on her, but then
they dropped very quickly onto wiki. But then she do
a little in and out, So she was actually being
very smart about how to play herself.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
In so mid court. So Maddie Gordon, has she had
a break? She didn't.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
She played the full game in that test too, So
you've got Gordon, Toyava, HEF's been in that center position.
I thought HEF's been a bit quiet. I thought she
was better at wing defense last night, in particularly on attack.
She really did punch that ball through court because we
needed it. I've given Heaf for five and a half
out of ten, Toyava a five in terms of her
(21:49):
ability to get the ball, and to Grace a four
and a half in terms of her ability to get
free off the line. And I think that's going to
be an ongoing problem with her. Is it her fitness?
I don't know, Well is she fit?
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Because somebody was telling me that which and I saw
the strap in myself, you know, like she's quite a
heavily strapped thigh.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Well, when you've got Jamie Lee Price on you, who
is just that one on one defense, you know it's
four seconds, you know, and Toeava has got to do
the work earlier off the line. And we heard Leane
Eliota and that test to say that more zero phases needed.
That perhaps wasn't done Gordon for me, the standout MIDI
so far, and we haven't even seen her at wing attack,
(22:28):
so I've given her a seven out of ten. I
thought she had good punch through the middle. She's played
all but one minute. She played sixty minutes in game
two and fifty nine in game one, and that's why
I think there's something to be had about putting her
at wing attack, because I just really feel like she
(22:48):
is the one that I have full confidence that will
be able to get free. She's fast off that line,
She's had a bit more experience now when you've already
got a goal attack, whether at seven or heffen, and
that are in experience. If you've got that experience on
the line.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
She is a talker.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
You see her, you know vocal a lot, and we've
seen Heaven and so the two strongest middies for me
are heaven And and Gordon. So that's why I think I
would put them at center and wing attack, because that
seems to be where a lot of our trouble is
is off the center pass and the ball coming through
court and getting that flow. The other thing we we've
talked about is just that quick release that it worked
when they turned and released it when they turned and
(23:26):
hesitated and then.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Threw the long one into Grace.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
It gave Arian time to get in the circle and
up for the ball. So the quick release is lost,
and that gets lost when you lose that cohesion and
that those connections with your teammates, and the confidence is gone,
the trust is gone, and that's I think added to
Wikis frustration because she had her arm up. She's like, yep,
(23:50):
I agree, But I also think Grace just stands in
the circle too well. She didn't test too she stood
in the circle too low. She needed to get higher
and offer a front space. She's just whole too much
and wanting the backspace. And when you've got two defenders
on you, it's pretty tough. Okay, defensively, who do you reckon?
Was the standout for you? Jen, You've got Jackson Hall, Burger,
(24:12):
Mason Hefner was.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
The standup for me, even though I didn't think she
was quite as good last night as she was the
other night. And Catherine Hall, yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Think it was.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I mean, she came on and she did not disgrace herself.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
She's got quick feet, she's got great anticipation. I think
it would be a great combination to see her and
Jackson in the circle. So yeah, Jackson for me, hasn't
had her finest two tests. Burger is doing a lot
of graft work not getting much ball. We're used to
seeing her doing the graft work and picking up ball.
So it just goes to show how much intensity goes
(24:53):
up a notch when you play the Aussies.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
It's so much harder to get ball.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
But as you say, I think that we need to
change the game plan defensively to a nab us to
get it and hefen And yeah I have. I haven't
been overly impressed with her at wing defense. I think
when she plays center she's a lot more effective. Will
she been effective more so on attack than defense, almost
like she's been quite a key person bringing the ball
through court.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
How many long feeds has she put into wiki as well?
Speaker 2 (25:18):
So she's actually fed the circle from there. But I
think Burger has certainly been more effective in that wing
defense position than we've seen. But yeah, I mean, it's
it's tough and then you start thinking, is who are
we missing? Like I know a few people have made
themselves unavailable, but I don't think Jane Watson would fix
this issue either, you know, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Sure might is the one and that would make a difference.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Last year's version of the pass SLBI Ricken, Yeah, because
I was mentioning her to someone last night and.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Version because she was very good.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
But yes, absolutely right, and I thought she was good.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Yeah, so it is it's kind of like, who's not
available that would make an impact me around one hundred percent.
You're right, potentially TP, but there's not anyone really defensively.
I'm like, oh, they need that person in there, so
they've got to work with what they've got.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Perhaps they need Evon willrang our mate Evan.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
You can't do a bit of a defensive session because
that is her strength, that is her forte, that that
zone marking. But when you look at Amelia An, you forget.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
You pull her out. She's the starting goal attet. You
pull her out. She's a captain so.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
And she's how many tests there are not going?
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Yeah, there's a lot missing from the lot.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
And that's a really good point, Jen, when you look
at the test cap difference. So between the two squads
last night, the total caps were Australia five hundred and
twenty two New Zealand three hundred and twenty seven, there's
almost two hundred test caps. Different experience counts. It does,
especially when you're in and when you're in a power
(26:57):
you need to get out of it. And so we're
missing two hundred test caps.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
There, so you know that's tough. But look, I'm not
giving up on this though. I think I think they've
been there or thereabouts.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
When I look at those quarter scores in front of you,
adain that first test they drew the first you know,
the second sorry, the first quarter, the second, second quarter
that it was two in it. It wasn't really until
the last quarter that blew out. And then obviously in
Test two they won a quarter and it was that
third quarter. So it's just being able to sustain that
(27:28):
absorb that pressure for sixty minutes and that's where the
Aussies are getting us at the moment. Okay, if we
were to think of coming across the ditch back to
New Zealand two tests, we need to win the next
one to keep this series alive. What's one key thing
that you'd like to see from the from the silver
Ferns looking into Game three? Is it their defense? Is
(27:48):
it their their attack? Is it their leadership? I mean,
what do we want to see. I want them to
look a bit more refresh. I want them to go
and find recreator of kind of whack it and get
a bit of many part that's somewhere in between. Yeah,
I don't know, or they need to find something fun
(28:10):
to do. But for me, a really easy Foxus rebounds
like just yeah, your damn rebounds, because that in itself
could make a significant difference if I had one thing,
go and have some fun, find some fun somehow, just
to take some pressure off, you know, because you know
when you laugh and you're having time together.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
And just releases a bit of press.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Happy team, a happy team as a successful team, and
there's really something in that.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
And you look at them at the end of the game.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
They look demoralized, dejected, and yeah, it's got to be
playing a toll. So I agree, something fun. I'll go
defense because I think we can't have Australia playing the
way they have in the last two tests.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
They are dominating. We need to be more proactive.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Get out there and get some intercepts, get that zone
defense going in game two, Game three.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Yeah, Well, defense wins games, isn't it. I think that's
what I do.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Wins championships. They say attack wins game. Defense is the
best form of attack.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Yes, honestly, Well, I think let's hope that by crossing
the ditch and coming home that they find something and
can resurrect the performance that they put out on court.
So that's it from us for another episode. We'll be
back towards the end of next week wrapping the last
two games of the Constellation Cup, and it's hope things
(29:24):
are brighter and we can chat about some great performances
from the Silver Fans team until next week.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
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