Mark Chaves Jr. #19 | Fourth Street Live - 4th Street Live Podcast

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Go check out Vision Moto. Did you start as graphics for
for dirt bikes? No.
So basically it's kind of crazy.Like my history with graphics
goes back to when I was like 13,so when I was when I was a kid.

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It's Santa Cruz, right? San Jose.
San Jose, yeah, I'm originally from the Bay.
I just moved out here last October.
OK, OK. So and I, I love it out here.
Yeah, yeah. So but yeah, I was there's.
No, Californians. No.
It's at least the ones that are coming here, at least from what
I can tell. The ones that I have met, their
transplants are like cool, you know, for the for the most part.
I mean, I'm starting to see moreof the the crowd we try to avoid

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out here, unfortunately. Yeah, bro.
But for the most part it's been cool.
Like I really just like the the vibe out here, especially up
where I'm at, Spanish Springs, it's like super quiet, low key.
Everyone rides dirt bikes, everyone's got some type of toy.
All desert people. Yeah, or Harley's, you know what
I mean? So it's cool.
But like, yeah, so when I was 13, I just, I, I liked the

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graphics on race cars because that's what I was doing at the
time was racing cars and I wanted to design my own car.
So I kind of self-taught myself these programs when I was 13
years old and like kind of funnybecause like now my daddy's like
super stoked, help me start the business and everything.
But shit, when I was 13, he was like, dude, you're not in the
garage enough. You're not, you know, learning

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all this stuff I'm trying to teach you, like machining and
welding and all that stuff. And then he just thought I was,
you know, wasting time behind a computer screen, so.
So. So what was the first car you
built? So we used to do Sprint car
racing and that was like the, yeah, you know, dirt Oval track,
have the wings on them and stuff, make like 750 horsepower
and weigh like 1300 lbs with youin it.

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It's an animal. So yeah, that's what I did.
And then my my dad, he was big custom bike builder, like just
out of the garage. He did work for RNS.
He did stretch tanks and stretchfenders for Sims back in the
day, like when the tail draggerswere like the thing, you know?
So he's a big welder. Big welder, big fabricator, he
loves that stuff. And our machine shop is actually

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still open in the Bay Area. We're in the process of like
selling it so he can move the equipment that his shop that
he's building at his house up here.
He's coming here, too. He's already up here.
Oh yeah. So he moved.
He, he tried to play it off likehe was going to wait a year
after I moved and he ended up waiting about two months to
fucking pull the trigger on a spot of like right across the
highway from me. So he loves it out here.
He doesn't want to come bring ithere.

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No, he was he so he's bringing the machining side here, but
only like certain accounts he wants to keep and for the most
part he wants to do like stuff he wants to do because he's, you
know, just he just turned 60. So he's like, dude, I just want
to work on stuff that I enjoy working on.
Like he talked to you know, he'stalked to guys out here about
doing motors because he's reallygood at building V twin engines

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and there's not a lot of motor builders out here.
So you know, that's going to help him a lot.
Like he, he loves tinkering and like doing stuff like that.
Like that's his thing. Like building custom exhausts
and like nerding out on stuff like that.
Like he's going to buy all like the punishing hammers and all
the crazy stuff to do. Like badass, like sheet metal
fab. Yeah, we need one and there's a

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couple here. I mean, Paco's in Nevada, you
know what I mean? But there's we need a club style
1, you know what I mean? Like that's what and that's what
to me what DJ is, is he's like there's there's like the old Evo
and Chopper shops here and you know, but like we needed a
really solid like club style FXRDinas, you know.

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Yeah, You know, it's crazy. My my friend Drew from Stockton,
I know he's building, Yeah. So Drew's building an FXR, like
like FXR Frisco Style 1, you know, with the extended neck and
like all that stuff, like super narrow fast.
And I'm it's crazy to see like that's like coming back because
that's what I grew up on. Yeah.
Yeah. I was early 2000.
So I was watching like biker build off with like Billy Lane

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and Andy and Larry and like, youknow, Jesse James and all that
stuff back in the day. That's that's what I grew up
watching is like all that kind of stuff.
So it's cool for me 'cause I'm like, I just like the
fabrication side of things. Like when I go to a show,
there's a million Dinah's with cool paint and God DLC coding.
Like everything's everything's got to be gold Chrome, you know.

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But I like, you know, straight away from that stuff.
I like guys that are like going full crazy, like alloy art
forever Rad, all those kind of guys were that's like crazy
billet. Like yeah, have to think it out
to make it kind of stuff like real custom stuff.
Even though it's still a bagger,it's still a Dyna, but it's like
it's a one off subframe and a one off swing arm like that.

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That stuff's cool to me. Like that to me is still like a
build, you know? Like it's like you got to tote
that line with build nowadays 'cause you know, Boltron builds
well, like. Back in the day, they, I mean,
if it wasn't cut, Yep, it wasn'ta chopper, you know what I mean?
And like, I still like, I don't have a chopper.
I've never built 1. So I, I, I, I, I defer to the

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guys that have billed choppers that I know that I really
respect. And they're like man, like even
mondo like if it's not cut. Yeah.
I don't consider it. A Yeah, I.
Like, you know what I mean? I got.
Some I got some friends from like the Bay Area that are
building choppers and stuff likemy buddy Ian, he built one and
he's does like the Frisco Chopper show and stuff like that
out there. And it's it's sick dude.

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Like seeing everyone get back tothe hard tail like poor to me of
what motorcycling like is, you know, building your stuff and
riding your stuff. Like that's you know, the show
stuff's cool and all, but you know, at the end of the day,
it's like I, I made more memories like not going to
shows, riding my stuff like, youknow, going to, I mean this is
back probably 20/14/2015. I was helping my buddies with

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straight up and they were doing the stunt show stuff.
And that's like when them and unknown were we were going to
like Las Vegas Bike Fest, Laughlin River Run, all that fun
stuff. And like it was cool.
Like I don't feel like that's kind of when it peaked in a way.
Like, you know, and then all of a sudden it kind of flattened
out again. And now it's picking and it's
ramping back up again, which is cool.
But it's like, dude, I love likejust going to like custom bike

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like shows like chopper shows like fun.
What do you think the fall off was in like the 2015?
I think it just blew up like everyone wanted to be the next
Harley wheelie God and like theymissed the boat.
You know, there's like 2 guys actually crazy enough.
Like we only we thought unknown was the only team was going to
actually do something because they signed with Monster and

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then all of a sudden now you gotCJ and Concrete Cowboys and
they're with Beast Unleashed, which is still Monster but it's
the alcohol side. So but it's like those guys,
they travel the country, get paid to do stunt riding.
Like that's badass. Sucks because like a lot of guys
were getting paid until all these new kids like came in and
would do it for just like free tires.

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And we had to justify taking time off work and traveling and
wear and tear on our stuff. So we were charging people like,
well, we don't want to like pay you guys.
We want to just give you guys free tires.
We're like, well we ain't going to come for free tires, dude.
Like no. You're going to pay us and.
I didn't even ride. I just ranched, you know, I went
to go help everybody. That was my thing.
I just drank and partied and wrenched.
That's all I did. Yeah, I and I think about that

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too. The social media definitely.
I think I've thought about that lately.
And it's, it's like, you know, if there, if Instagram and
social media was around in the 70s while dudes are building the
choppers, I'm, you know, they would have absolutely still had
social media and posted their stuff, you know what I mean?
So it's like it's, it's, I don't, I'm not jaded to think

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that like it's the good old days.
It's just we didn't have, there was no social media back then.
And so that it's frowned upon inthe chopper scene now when they
think that there's motorcycle influencers and things like
that. And I'm just like, I'm by, I'm
not by, I will never be a fucking influencer.
I don't care if you, I don't care what you like and I don't
care what you don't I like doing, but I what I do.

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But you know, there's a there's a weird jaded thing about dudes
that build choppers now it's like that dudes builds a chopper
and he posted on Instagram and he's a dork.
You know, this, that and the 3rdand I'm like, well, I don't
think so. You know, I think it's fucking
sick. So I think I think it's cool to
have influencers that do chopperstuff.

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You know what I mean speaking. Of choppers.
Yeah. That's, that's Jake.
Yeah. No, I mean honestly like to me I
I love going to Born Free early.Like we went to BF 7 and it was
a good time, but now it's like Iwent last year I went to go help
out Rodger with hostility and I drove out there and like work
the booth and stuff and it was just like, nothing's changed and

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it's the same stuff. Yeah.
Same build, same bike, same people.
Like yeah, it is. You just get bored, you know?
So that's why I was like this year.
I thought it was cool what you guys did out here because.
We took it. Yeah, because I mean, dude,
since what was it? COVID was when they shut
everything down pretty much. And even before then, it still
sucked. It wasn't, it wasn't great, you
know? It it's, it's slowly gone away

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and it's it's simply due to the like we were talking on the
phone. It's simply due to the fact that
like the only thing about the chopper community that's like,
I'm a little annoyed with his like some chopper shows won't
allow people with patches in andeverybody, if you have, if you
have your own fucking show, whenyou put the work in, you get to

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say whatever. But I think that I wouldn't tell
anybody they couldn't come to myshow because especially dudes
with patches, they're the ones that are the biggest enthusiasts
of motorcycles around, you know what I'm saying?
So it's. Well, I think the I think the
climate in that aspect has changed a lot too.
The problem is everyone just keeps on going back to like,
what was it 15 years ago when Jethro got killed, you know,

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like, and everyone just keeps ongoing back.
It's like, dude, it's been 15 years, bro.
Like things have changed. People have changed.
There's a mutual like feel like nowadays it's pretty mutual,
like as far as you got stay on your side, we stay on our side
kind of thing. It ain't like it used to be like
where it was just like looking for problems because no one
wants to get caught up anymore. So I just think like now it's

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like people just got to open up their eyes a little bit.
Like at the end of the day, likeI've met really cool guys that
wear patches and I've met guys that aren't that cool that wear
patches and I've met guys that are pieces of shit that don't
wear anything. You know what I mean?
So it doesn't matter Like if you're, if you're a piece of
shit, you're a piece of shit. It doesn't matter, like patch or
not, Like I just think that everyone has something to bring

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to the table. And it's kind of like, it's
pretty crazy. Like, you know, now that I moved
out here, I followed like all the local pages and stuff, you
know, like the event stuff. And it's crazy.
Like some of the local people like what they say about like
street vibes and the people and stuff.
I'm like, man, I was like, timeshave changed.
As I remember it used to be likea big deal.
There'd be signs all over the place.
You walk into every casino, they're all pumped to have
everyone there. And now they're just like, get

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the fuck away. They are, yeah.
Which is crazy. And it's and it has a lot to do
with. It's not like that here, you
know, in California, there's a lot more drama, you know what I
mean, in here? And there's just not, I mean,
there's a lot of really rad men who have cultivated this
community for a long time, the motor, the motorcycle community,

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and they've kept it peaceful. And it's, and it's, it's a
testament to those guys, you know what I mean?
And it's like, you know, those the, the those dudes are the
reason why Reno is different than any other place in the that
I know that I've that I've been to and I've got charters all
over Cali, you know what I mean?Yeah.
And Cali's, Cali's. There's a reason people move to
Reno, bro, You know what I mean?It's.

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Crazy how much like cheaper it Imean, you know, I'm like
comparing the Bay Area to here, which is like insane.
You know, I mean I sold my little 1300 square foot house
for like 1.3 million and we bought a smaller ass house out
here for me. Like it's just me and my lady
and. Had money leftover. 640 Yeah.

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I'm just like, and it's quiet and I'm all my neighbors ride
dirt bikes and I don't get, you know, yelled at for riding my
bike in late or, you know, having my my dirt bikes in the
street, washing them and stuff. Like everyone's all doing the
same thing. I'm like, wow, this is like
feel. It felt weird at first.
Almost felt like I was on vacation, like I was standing at
an Airbnb when I first moved here and I was like, this is a
trip. Like, I mean, it's cool.
Are you going to do Harley decals?

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Yeah, so like I, it's funny likemy old man, I just like rapped
over some stripes on a bike thathe just bought for a buddy of
his 'cause they had like like the 2 tone.
So you do raps too? I do, I do if I have, if I have
to, I try not to just because tome I'm capable of doing it.
It's just like I don't have the room to do it just because I got
such a small little space right now.
Whatever. But like decals, I can do that

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stuff all day. Like I've done, you know, tank
stuff and like, you know, like you said, support stickers and
all that. Well, those.
Badges I have on are my favorite.
I had to get those from Romania because they're, well, they're,
they're gold. But the wings themselves,
they're like those old school Harley-Davidson wing badges, you
know what I mean? And that's my favorite.
But it's like got to be a specific kind of badge like cuz

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there's different wing badges that look almost too cartoony,
you know what I'm saying? I like the fucking wing badge
that's got like a little sharp look.
It looks real. So those are the ones I got.
And I was like, dude, if I if there's somebody here that did
those, they rush it. Yeah, because I had to get
though there was nobody in America that made.
It just, yeah, I mean, do the like, it's kind of funny because
I kind of like contradict myselfsometimes because I like doing
stickers, but at the same time all my helmets are painted like

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I guess are painted. Yeah.
You know, I always tell people I'm like the, the, the temporary
stuff is cool because if you getover, you just RIP it off.
Yeah, those ones I had to. Clear over yeah, you know what I
mean? Oh yeah, because they're yeah,
they're like that foil in it. You just foil and.
And they're, and they're real like they were supposed they're,
they were supposed to be real replicas of like a, I think it's
a shovelhead, not 70 shovelhead.Or something.
I know what logo you're talking about.

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Yeah, those are that's supposed to be like an exact replica, you
know, And I was like, that's what that's what I want.
So you had to clear them, you know what I mean?
But I agree with you. I do like painting bikes and I
do like being able to like guys like Harley being able to do a a
custom thing. But even he'll sometimes use.
Decals and stencils and all the.Stencils and what it is, you

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know, just to do some of his stuff.
Dude I love. Like my favorite ones when I
built my FXR, my favorite paint jobs are like the OEM style
paint, but people tweak the colors.
So like I've seen that on FXRS aton, you know, like convertible
ones especially like where they'll just change it a little
bit or they'll go dig through. I have the, the FXR like Bible
pretty much. It's got all the paint codes in

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it. Oh, sick.
Yeah, And it's like, it's cool, like seeing the color
combinations and like how many were made of that color.
And like I've seen maybe a handful of them.
And like, it's just like, I justlike clean stock because like to
me, it's like the paint's cool, but it if your paint's really
outlandish, it takes away from like if you did do like custom
fabricated stuff on your bike, no one's looking at that.

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Everyone's just looking at the paint job.
Right, Right. So it's like you got to like
have happy medium. So it's like you can actually
like respect the build but stillhave a cool paint job, but it's
not like that's all that your bike is known for.
Like, oh, that's, that's that bike with the crazy.
Paint with the paint job yeah and it's funny because I've won
a couple shows with a single color paint job yeah do you know
what's fun I've had my guys would that have like a 131 kid

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in park right next to me and they just say man I feel bad
because like the the that best in that best in show Dinah there
like couple of these it's like man they they have thousands of
dollars into their motors you. Know I, I painted my, my, my
Dinah at one point it was like 20, 2013.
Yeah, I painted it Toyota CementGray.

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That's what I had, yeah. I had AI had a cement.
Gray, yeah. So it's that Toyota color code,
but when I when I first painted it.
That's my favorite. Dude, I I was cracking up as my
buddies always gave me shit. They're like, it looks like you
just put clear coat over primer.I'm like hey you know what,
whatever. But that was 12 years ago.
That was my dining. Yeah, so I was just cracking up
because like now, like now they're selling bikes that are
painted that color. I know it's like super funny to

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me because I'm just like, oh, whatever happened to the gloss
primer bullshit, You know? I love it.
Everyone loves it. Now.
The pastel colors are like a hit.
Like especially like, I've always wanted to see someone
paint, paint a bike like that Toyota Sandstone color, like
that tan. The tans tied.
I have seen one. There was a sportster that oh
shit, was it unknown. Yeah, I think you're, I know

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what bike you're thinking of. And they still paint a bike.
Schultz painted it and it had like the.
Need a raffle? You know, they they, it's the
bike you're thinking of, I think.
Is that that T sport that they did and it had like the three
Toyota stripes on? It that's the one, yeah.
So that was a Dyna. OK, yeah, but that dude's bike,
I forget who. I know the guy that bought it,
and then he bought that thing and he stunted it and then he

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had it repainted like the same thing, but just had it touched
up and stuff. But that same thing.
One of my favorite. Gotcha.
That one was tight. Yeah.
That, that, that almost like an army.
Yeah, yeah. Like like like sand.
Yeah, like Matt Tan. It was sick.
That was one of my. Favorites that was one that
dude. Hopefully we can when we I'm
going to see if I can put a little clip of that bike in here
because that is a dope bike, bro.

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Yeah, go on Taylor's page. I guarantee he's got pictures of
it. He's the one that painted it
for. Sure.
Oh, he did OK. Taylor painted that bike.
Yeah, I like the, I like the single color.
I like the crazy panel jobs too,man.
It's just, you know, I just not my thing.
I like a single color and I likecrazy.
I'm like big on less is more. That's what I try to tell my
customers all the time too, because like, I'll just get,

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they'll send me a sheet a mile long of all this stuff they want
to cram into something. I'm like, whoa, whoa, like let's
tone it down. This is what I think, you know,
like we can utilize some of yourideas, but let's just, you know,
you start throwing 10 lbs of shit out of 5 LB bag, no one's
going to know what to read and what to look at.
You know, especially with a company, like I've had some
people, they want like all this crazy stuff in the background.

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I'm like, yo-yo, yo, let's just go with a cool font, simple two
color so that you can put it like, you know, on hats or
shirts or whatever. And then you do another logo
that's got all the crazy stuff in it.
You know what I mean? Like you know what we did the
Reno slap slides logo. It's kind of cool because like
now that sacks gone, now that sacks gone, I've done every logo

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for every shop so far, which is cool, but it's like they're all
different, but they're all pretty much the same, you know,
with the wings. But they all got their own like
theme to it. Like it was cool.
And Danny was like, oh, I want, I want it to be racy looking.
Isn't my favorite. Yeah, yeah.
I was like. I like Rogers, but I like I like
DJs. I like Tristan's that we did too
with the flames instead of the wings. 2.
Yeah, 2. That's the one that's in Gilroy.

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Gilroy Yeah, I saw that one. That one's tight.
Yeah, so were you riding dirt bikes down there in the Bay
Area? Yeah, so I did Moto like.
Because there's no desert there.Yeah.
So it's. All Moto, all I did was race.
So like I did racing most of my early years and then, you know,
up. Until like my Vegas to Reno hat
for you. Do hell yeah.
Yeah. So I did.
All I did was Moto up until I was 20, 21 pretty much.

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And then I had one, I had a really bad crash or I broke my
femur separated my shoulder and I, I messed up some neck
vertebrae and stuff and I was out for and I, I broke, I broke
the socket out of my hip too. So I got like 7 screws holding
my bone into my hip pretty much.But like so that took me out And
then right when I got healthy again, I crashed again.

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Like, my first ride back had a mechanical failure and wrecked
my collarbone, broke my collarbone in half, separated my
shoulder. And then I was like, all right,
I got to hang it up for a littlebit.
I was just missing too much work.
So then that's what kind of doveme into like, doing the Harley
stuff more because like, you know, it's not super hard on
your body. I was riding my Harley 2 1/2
months after femur surgery just because I was bored at home and

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I was, you know, going stir crazy just sitting in the house.
Yeah man, that's why every time I sit a stop light everybody
laughs because like I always keep the split up at a stop
light because I got used to riding like that.
So because I couldn't dab it nowI'm just like permanently stuck
that way. That's so funny because I'll
ride with. So here's The funny thing is
like dudes that will come start riding motorcycles and they came
from dirt bikes. They ride Harleys.

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They're the fucking they're justthey're so good.
They're so good. They they pick it up so fucking,
he's so natural to them, but they'll fucking, they'll drag
their heels in corners. You know what I'm saying?
I'm like, what are you fucking doing, dude?
That's like my, my, my little brother Ryan, he's a Stockton
member and he's he was pro AMA flat track.
So now it's funny because he'll like drift sideways, like going

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into a corner, like he's slidinglike a, a dirt bike and like on
the like flat tracking it. And like, yeah, he's just got
good talent. But I also think a lot of it has
to do with like peripherals. Yeah 'cause if you're racing
growing up, like you got eyes onthe sides of your head, you can
hear things that most people can't hear.
Like that's why we're pretty, knock on wood, like pretty good
at like splitting lanes 'cause we're pretty situational

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awareness. Like pay attention to little
stuff that, you know, not your normal person won't notice
'cause I see people get in accidents sometimes I'm like,
how the hell did you not avoid that, You know?
But like, to me, I'm like, Oh well, I've been riding since I
was like 4. So that makes.
Sense I prospected out of sack and so I come from Nevada.
We don't, we, we can't, we do split, we do split lanes, but we
don't, you know what I mean, So.Something that that state has up

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on it. You know, and so and so like,
but I there it's like we're splitting these semi trucks at
90. Oh yeah.
So I guess that's what we're doing bro, you know?
Yeah, when I was and I. Love it because it's also a lot
fucking safer dude. It's so it's funny to me because
like I, I rode when I was going to go see Lee over at Reno

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Harley. I split the whole way there
because like in Spanish Springs when you're on a pyramid, like
sucks. I'm not going to sit in traffic.
If I have a motorcycle, I'm not sitting in traffic.
You're going to get. Hit, I'm going to, yeah, I'm
just going to split. So when I got there, it's almost
like, man, I split all the way here.
He's like, hey, you might want to be a little careful because
like depending on the cop, like they could write you for a
felony for that for sure. It's so, it's so funny, dude,

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because it's like, it's like everybody hates on it too.
It's like when they see people split in trap, when they see
people splitting like at a stoplight, it's like, come on,
it's so much safer. To I've seen so many buddies get
rear-ended at stoplights from people that are just.
Being in the gap. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. And it's like if I'm in the
middle at the front, it's like it's not.
Yeah, I'm not going to get sandwiched between the car in

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front of me and like whoever rear ends me.
No way. Like screw that.
And there also is some weird statistic about Northern Nevada
in Nevada in general. It's like we have more
motorcycle related fatalities and anywhere else.
I think there's, honestly, I don't know if it's just because
I follow all the local pages, but dude, people don't know how
to drive out here. That too.
It's insane the amount of accidents that there are.
There is a lot. There is a lot dude.

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It is. I thought the people in the Bay
were bad. The people in the Bay are bad,
bro, but it's it. But they just don't.
They let you split lanes, bro, you know what I mean?
And that's what's great about about that part of California.
And I got to give it to them, bro, you know?
So so you rode dirt bikes and then you got into Harley's after
that. How old were you when you're
getting into Harley? 'S I got I like it's like I said

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I bought my bike when I was in or 2011, so I was like right
right before my 21st birthday iswhen I got mine and started
riding and it like I said, it kind of took over my life once I
hung up the helmet and stopped racing and stuff because it was
just like another way to ride and whatever.
And then ironically, like I was still like staying in a really

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good shape. And, you know, I started to hang
around with some friends that were like in clubs and stuff and
then actually started like prospecting for a club in the
Bay. And then they always thought,
they always thought I was a cop because I never drank at the
time. Like I never drank.
I never did drugs or whatever. And they were just like, dude,
are you a cop? And I'm like, oh, dude, I just,
it's not my thing. And then as soon as I stopped
doing that because, you know, just life kind of changed and my

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perspective change on things. I just want to do my own thing.
And then after that, that's whenI just fully dove into like the
partying side of things, which is like crazy because he would
have thought that that would have dove me in.
But now I was just like, no, I just was on my own.
And that fully went like, especially coming up here, like
when I moved up here, I was like, man, every time I've come
up here, I've partied for like 4or five days straight without

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sleeping. Well, that's the part of about
being in a motorcycle club is like that holds you accountable.
So you not all, not always and not every club, but I mean,
generally, I can only speak frommy experience, but like this
club is a lot of accountability.So if you're like alone like
that, you left your own devices,you're going to make choices
that you wouldn't do around people that are going to be

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like, dude, you're fucking up. It's Wednesday, go home with
your family. Bro well that was the thing.
It's like I didn't realize it for years because like, I mean,
I must the same group. I I party with the same group
all the time is the same. You know, we had a big group of
friends and it was just like where we would start on Thursday
at bike night in San Jose. And then it would turn into like

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going, going to work, yeah. Going to work Friday hungover
and then riding to the bar afterwork and then being gone till
Sunday afternoon, you know, thentrying to put yourself together
to go to work the next day. And it was like that for years,
you know? And then before I know it, it's
like, you know, we, I think the thing, that thing that probably

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made me quit everything was I think it was 2022.
Yeah, my buddy committed suicideand we were hella close.
Like when he was going through it, like we were calling each
other almost every day because he was going through shit and I
was going through shit. And it was just kind of like
meeting of the minds, like how are you doing?
How you doing kind of thing every day.

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And then, you know, he actually called me the night that he did
it. Like it was almost like he
called me and like a bunch of like, our other friends and
everyone kind of said the same thing as almost like he was
saying bye, but we didn't know, you know?
Yeah. And then he, like, did what he
did. And then I just went off the
deep end the rest of the year. My check at the time left.
And then I was just at home by myself.
And then I'm like, oh, cool. Now I'm not going to get yelled

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at for doing yeah, for drinking and doing coke on a Wednesday in
the middle of the day. Like I'll do whatever I want
now. Yeah.
And it just like spiraled completely out of control until
November 16th is when I decided to quit because it was like 2.
I don't know how it was for you,but for me it was like, either
I'm putting a bullet in my head or I'm going to fix my life, one
of the two. Like, you know, it was just, it
was just going to get that bad if I didn't stop.

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Like I already knew. So was it drinking?
It was everything like, 'cause Icouldn't drink without doing
coke and I couldn't do coke without drinking, you know what
I mean? So it's like I had.
That's why, you know, now I havesome I.
Think you quit before you moved to your dog You.
Know what I mean? I know dude.
Like, it's like, so when I did quit, I was just like, you know,
just decided, all right, like, that's it, I'm done.

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Talk to my family. And my dad, he was an ex addict,
so he already had an idea. Like I was fucking up, you know,
he was like, well, I was just waiting for you to say
something. But yeah, like, I knew what you
were doing, you know? And then, like, the addictive
side of things, like runs in my family on both sides, like
between my dad and then my uncle's on my mom's side.
Like, they all had problems. Ironically, my uncle on my mom's

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side, my mom's brother, they introduced my dad to my mom was
my dad's dealer back in the day,dude.
So yeah. So it's like, it's full circle,
kind of like crazy shit. But yeah, when I was done, like,
I was just done. Like, and it was nice just
because like, I wouldn't have any of the stuff I have now if I
didn't quit, you know, like, at all.
Like not even close. Yeah, the house in Spanish

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Springs, all that stuff, dude. Yeah, business like friends,
like even the friends that I have now, it's like nice,
because I like having friends that like you said, people that
hold each other accountable, butalso people that like everyone's
got goals, everyone's got like drive like they want to be
better. Like I, I don't know if you did
the a, a thing. I did it for a little bit.
I do a A meetings here. Yeah, so I, I did, I did a a for

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about 6 months and then I got into like my own routine and it
works for me, you know? But it's like, yeah, but it was
like. I, I needed a, a the same reason
I need to be in a motor. I I like being in a motorcycle
club is I need high levels of accountability.
Yeah, and the dudes that can notgo to a A and get sober and also

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cure the reason that they drink or their disease, which is like
a spiritual one, in my opinion, the deficiency, the people that
can do that, my hats are off to them.
And I'm not saying that there's one cure for there's not
one-size-fits-all. I need a A because I need
people. I need a community around me
that's like, if they don't see me or they don't hear from me or

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they, they're, they're going to be cheated.
Like what the fuck are you doing?
You know what I mean? We're also like, if I say, hey,
it's probably a good idea today for me to just fucking say fuck
it and start drinking. I've got a Group, A group of
people that are going to say. Fuck no, Fuck no.
You know what I mean? I've got to call them first and
you know what I mean? And that's that's what I need.
You know what I mean? But I totally understand my
hat's off to you bro. And it, it isn't

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one-size-fits-all. And having to, I didn't have a
community. I didn't even know what the
definition of community was until I got sober.
You know what I mean? And it was like.
Yeah, my, my biggest reason of wanting to do it like solo is
because for a long time, I always was like the, I relied on
people a lot for like holding meup kind of thing, you know,

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which isn't a bad thing. It's nice to have that.
But for me, I was like, dude, ifyou can figure out how to do
this on your own, like you can handle anything, you know?
And like even like now, like I'll go through stuff now where
they would have turned me to drinking like instantly back in
the day. But now it's just like.
Or excuse maybe? Yeah, and I'm just like, you
know what, It ain't that bad. You know what I mean?
It's like, yeah, it sucks, but it's not that bad.

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Like it's not going to drive me.Like nothing will ever drive me
to do that ever again, which is nice.
Like it's I'll be 3 years this year.
But it's like fuck yeah, dude. Yeah, it's, but it's, it's crazy
because it goes by quick, but atthe same time the, like you
said, the spiritual side of things where you just keep on
learning and opening new doors and going like, oh, maybe that's
why I did that for so long. You know what I mean?

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You just figure out like all this stuff that you had no idea
about about yourself. You know, it's a, it's a trip.
Yeah, that is it, dude. Yeah, it was a yeah, I, I suffer
from a spiritual deficiency thathas manifested its way into drug
and alcohol addiction, dude. And to some people struggle with
drugs and alcohol and just kidding, quit dude.

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And it's like, dude, I wish I was like that.
I wish I was like you. You have a higher willpower than
than than. Yeah, but at the end of the day,
it's like you still have the willpower to stick to what
you're doing. Like, and that and that, like I
said, one person could be strongin one way, another person be
strong in another. It's like I always tell, like I
actually had a, a friend of minereach out to me over the weekend
cuz he was going through it and,you know, he was like just

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finally admitted he had an issue.
So I'm like, all right, dude, I'm like kind of just pointed
them in the right direction on what I recommend.
You know, I'm like, hey, this iswhat I would do in your
position. But like you said, it's not
one-size-fits-all. I'm like, you just got to figure
out what works. You know, I was like biggest
thing is just like I learned, like I had to do it for me at
the end of the day, 'cause like I know, I know some guys that

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did the sobriety thing for a little bit, but they were doing
it to like get a girlfriend backor have a better relationship.
Like just 'cause they're like their family told him to or this
and that. I'm like, well, dude, you're not
going to do it If like that's your reason why, you know, if
you're like, you really just need to want to do it at the end
of the day period. You don't want to do it, you
ain't going to do. It yeah, I've worked with people

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trying to get sober and they're like and they're like, yeah,
they're doing it for their to get the girl back or whatever.
And sometimes they'll even get the girl back and then it's
like, I don't see them ever again, you know what I mean?
So it's it really is the same thing bro.
It's like you have if you want to get sober, you got to do it
for yourself. And if you do do it for
yourself, the the funny part about that is the rest will

(32:59):
come. You know what I mean?
But. You have or, or like people get,
I mean, you know, it's like the like friends come and go like
I've I've had, I have a lot of good friends now that are like
my best friends and I can count them on one hand, right, Which
is great. Yeah.
And you know, we all have families and, you know, either
our own businesses or we're successful and like whatever
we're doing. And it's like, it's just good

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The other day we were talking about it with the with the
cowboy hat on and he was saying the same thing he was to me.
The the true definition of having a friend is, is somebody
that you don't want anything from them and they don't want
anything from you. You know what I mean?
And that's something that was foreign to me before I was
sober. That's and that's and I and I

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definitely treated people like that as well.
I was saying, I mean, saying it was like, what, what do you have
that you can give to me? You know what I mean?
Exactly. And it was women too, especially
it was like. Especially when they had cars.
Bro, you know what I mean. If they had a car, if they had
money, Bros like. No, I feel like, you know, it's
crazy because, you know, like looking back on things, I'm
like, man, I was like, I was, you know, just, I was a dirtbag,
you know, like, and I'm not ashamed to admit that either.

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You know, I've always told people I'm like, call me out for
something I did. It's all good.
Like I'll own up to it, you knowwhat I mean?
Like, I'm not like before I'd belike trying to point the finger
at someone else, like, oh, they made me do this or this made me
do that. And like, now I'm just like,
Nope. Like, yeah, you're right, you
know, 100% yes. And like I said, it's just kind
of something you just kind of learn.

(35:06):
Yeah, taking ownership is tight,bro.
Ownership and accountability is like huge, you know, even even
just like currently it's like I'm figuring out the business
side of things for me and like how to balance like business and
life and relationships and all that stuff.
It's been like kind of a challenge.
I've only been doing my company for two months, but yeah, it's
been booming like crazy, which is nuts.

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But it's like learning, you know, taking all these lessons
and just kind of putting them towork now, you know, which is
nice. Well.
Finding a niche is tight, you know what I mean?
So like, well, what I'm curious is how did you get into the dirt
bike graphics you. Know so dirt bike graphics I
actually worked for a company for a little bit as like a

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designer and then I wanted same same reason you know like when I
was racing cars I want to do my own stuff well when I was racing
bikes I want to do my own stuff for my own bikes so that's kind
of how I got into that and then now it's nice like I've I've
done so well with the artwork side of things yeah it's like
people come to me because like my stuff how.
Are you doing that? How are you doing it?

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Are you doing like a program illustrator?
Illustrator. So do you hand draw some of that
on like iPad? Some stuff like crazy, like I
draw my own flames so it's funny.
Because your flames are sick. Yeah, so my flames. 2 tone on
DJ's logo. It's yeah, those flames are hand
drawn. So like that's like on a piece
of paper and I'll sketch it out and then I'll draw it in
Illustrator. The whole Yeah, but like cuz I

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was drawing flames and I was like, yeah, you know, in 4th
grade. Y'all worried?
Bro yeah, yours just look tight,dude, yeah.
Well, that's how long I've been doing it for.
Even my mom, Like my mom, she's like moving up here too.
And she was going through her stuff and she was like, hey,
look what I found. It's all these old.
Yeah. Like drawings from like school
back in the day when I was like 7 or 8 years old, just like
sketching like flames out and you know, logos and bikes and

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stuff. Like, I'm like, oh, that's kind
of cool, you know? Yeah, that is cool, man.
That's not much has changed. So you're so you're, you're a
graphic designer first. Yeah.
Dope, bro. That's tight, man.
Yeah, it's cool cuz like I, I didn't want to just do Moto
stuff. That's why I like have I have
fun like doing a little bit of everything so you don't just get
like, yeah, it doesn't get monotonous.
It just doesn't get repetitive. It's like something a little new

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everyday cuz that keeps you sharp too.
It does, you know, like trying to keep, you know, just keeps
everything fresh. And then, you know, you utilize
certain ideas from like other stuff to, you know, you're like,
oh, like that would look good, like these colors would look
good here and this and that because I've used them on a bike
before. I've used them on a logo or like
whatever it all translates. Yeah, it's all the same.
But no, it's it's cool. Like the, the Moto stuff to me,

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it's like, I love motocross, theend of the day, like it's my do
or die, like sport. And I'll ride or die for that
sport and do whatever I can to like, you know, I, I sponsor a
couple of kids right now that are, you know, getting their pro
cards and all that kind of stuff.
And they're like for Moto. Yeah, for Moto.
Yeah. So there's so they can do like
supercross and, you know, pro outdoor nationals and all that
kind of stuff. And I'm like, yeah, I don't mind

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riding with those kids cuz, you know, I know how expensive the
sport is, cuz I do it still on my own, you know, like I spent
all my own money and my dad spends a lot of his money like,
still to this day, like doing the Moto stuff.
But so I'm like, yeah, if I can throw you a free set of graphics
that cost me like, you know, peanuts, like, I don't mind, you
know, just to help out some kid.That is cool.

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Yeah, yeah, everybody, Yeah. Everybody's going to remember
their first fucking Motive sponsor, dude.
Oh yeah. I mean, yeah, absolutely.
And like, it's also free advertisement, dude, if you can
throw your logo in there, dude. That's why it's like been cool
because I'm like, I don't mind sponsoring the fast kids, you
know, like at least like, hey, I'll make my stuff look good,
you know, like I don't mind thatat all.
Yep, that's fucking dope. And then you got into.

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So then you did that and then you got into doing some custom
stuff for the motorcycle scene, which.
Is dope, bro yeah, like dude, a lot of it was like just come the
guys that I knew that that rode Harley's and stuff, but then
they had like construction companies and they had this and
that they're like, Hey, I want you to do all this stuff for me
and it was cool just cuz like the motorcycling brought us like
met like, you know, together like, well, that's how we met,

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but it's like, oh, we built likea customer and, you know,
relationship over that kind of stuff, which is nice cuz I feel
like if you have something in common with whoever you're
working with, like you can read them better, you know, like you
understand, like what they want more and stuff like that.
Like I can push. I can push boundaries on like
some guys logos because I'm like, Oh yeah, you know what,

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like I know he won't mind, but then I got some people that are
just super corporate there. It's like, it's got to just be
like, you know? So that makes it feel like work
when you do those. Yeah, it kind of does, but it's
still cool because I'm like I'llhave some corporate logos where
I'm like, that actually does look pretty badass.
Like even though it's only like 2 colors and it's super simple,
but it's like it's still got my spin to it.
So you can tell I did it. Yeah, you know, that's dope.

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That's the nice part about beingan artist is like you just like
I like people they can look at, look at some I did and be like,
oh, like Mark did that and without even knowing you.
Know that's how I feel. I want people to look at my
motorcycles and know that I built those motorcycles and my
my, like my niche is the the gold wheels.
You know what I mean? It's like every build I've ever
done. Did you powder those ones I.
Did powder coat them and. How's that holding up right?

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Yeah, good. So there's a like so shout out
to Mount House powder coating. Those are our guys.
I used to have a really dope. Where are they at?
Because we need a powder coater.Deep out there, dude.
Yeah, because it sucks. But I heard that that was the
hardest thing to find out. Here is a decent powder.
We had a. Dope one and he was my guy dude
for a long time and he helped mebuild that dyna that I had,
which was a gold dyna. So it's crazy because my golds

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have to match. My biggest pet peeve is looking
at a gold powder coat that doesn't look like the gold
plating or the titanium nitrate or whatever.
So I had to have it all matched.And so I was really particular
about how I do it. But.
I have to have my shit powder coated because I fucking ride my
motorcycle. You know what I mean?
And I ride in a club and we ridein the snow and we ride in the

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rain. And it's like, if I want it, I
want to build a, a perfect my mybikes.
I want them to be show bikes that, you know, get Rd. you know
what I mean? So I needed a happy medium, so I
went with powder coating most ofmy stuff.
But it's yeah, it's basically transparent gold powder coat

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over super Chrome or Chrome or straight Chrome or Polish.
And it looks almost perfect. And it, if you do it right, it
looks, no, it almost looks exactly like a, like a, like a,
like a gold plating or, or the DLC or the titanium nitrate or
any of that. You know, so you, but it's got
to be perfect, bro, you know what I mean?

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And I had mount mount host. I'm an, I'm anal retentive.
So I like they did it once and they had never done it.
And I was like, it's, it's not right.
They redid it for me. They took care of it for me.
So Mountain House is the way. The only shitty part is you have
to go to Mountain House. But what you can do is you can
bring your stuff to DJ, Yeah. And then DJ has a has a service.

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Where he Yeah, because we had a deal with Yeah, we had the most
clutch powder coater and San Jose and me and Roger both use
the same place. Favorite bro.
And it was sick because you did you roll up there and they got
the mariachi music playing at 4:30 in the morning.
And you drop that off and you'llbe like, hey, come back at two,
Yeah. And be ready.
You know too, and it's always sick.
Oh and it's like glass. I'm like oh man I missed that so
much dude like off that. Yeah, those those are the best

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ones. That's that was like my guy
before and he just he he had a contract with Tesla.
Yeah, and then he lost the contract Tesla and his powder
cutting just went went out of business, bro.
But he was dope. He was he fucking he was like
that where I could drop him off and he'd hit me up in 2 in two
days. But my own house is just they're
they're the only place I'd try. I would take my stuff to
locally, but you have to drive to out.

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It's outside of Carson City. It's a. 50 minute round, it's
like a it's like a almost 2 hourround trip to get out there.
But yeah, but I mean it's betterthan doing 2 hour one way to go
to like sack or. Something you know and I don't,
there's a I don't know. Anyone in SAC either?
My one of my guys in SAC had a guy and I don't know what
happened to him, but yeah, that's where I would go, bro.
So if you're going to do it. So like that's what I think is

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important is having, having a like somebody looks at your
stuff or your artwork. And to me, bike building is an
art form. Not trying to be pretentious to
play myself an artist, but when somebody sees something I built
and I'm not around, they know I built it and that's cool.
You know what I mean? That's totally, totally like an
actual thing. It's, I mean, it's like people

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building choppers, you know, it's like you can tell, you can
tell the difference between an Indian Larry bike and a Denver.
Or an Denver. Choppers.
You know what I mean? And that's so cool.
Yeah. And it's also cool knowing the
difference. Yeah.
You know what I mean? It means you know motorcycles if
you can tell the difference and know the differences.
But yeah, I know Mondo's bikes. I know Larry's bikes.
I know James bikes still. I know which ones.
Yeah, it's just funny because I was just talking to my lady

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about that and I'm like, man, like I feel like I just turned
33 this week. So I was like, you know, 90s,
yeah, like 90s kid. I feel like our childhood was
like the last of just like core,like, Yep.
You know, growing up watching talked about that.
Yeah. Watching cool shit on TV.
Yeah. What you know.
Discovery Channel. No phone, no Internet.
Yeah, I. Was like, yeah, I don't even
think I had Instagram until I was a sophomore in high school.

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Yeah. And it was like the old
Instagram that no one even used.We were still rolling on Myspace
and Facebook. Was new.
I had Myspace. Yeah, yeah.
It's weird, it's like you getting fights over top friends.
Yeah, learning coding and shit, dude, Yeah.
That's how I was telling people I'm like I'm having such a hard
time building my own website formy company.
I'm like dude I literally used to code my own like page on my.
There was copy paste fucking code for Myspace, dude, I

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remember that that I didn't haveFacebook until my senior year
and I didn't have Instagram until I was already out of high
school. Bro, you know what?
I mean, that's when social mediapeeked through me.
I feel like it was like Myspace.Yeah, it's crazy and it's and
it's it's cool because, yeah, I feel bad for my kids because
they're going to grow up with a sense of like much needed

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validation that I feel like our this is the last generation that
didn't need that. I think the only thing that I
like about social media now is do the memes are so.
Good. So good bro.
Oh. My God, yeah dude, I I've I've
completely ruined a bunch of my friends algorithms like.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, like my boys will just
straight up DM me out of nowhere.

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They're like, this is all I see in my feed now because usually
I'm like, I was like, yeah, my bad.
For sure, dude. You get to see and you get and
that's, and like I was saying atthe beginning, that's the part
of motorcycle building, because there's dudes out there that are
building motorcycles that I would never know about.

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Yeah, that's important. I don't care what anybody says.
Well, I just like I like dudes that just don't give a shit
about what people think of like them or their stuff or their
company, like like Chip Chip Casalinic and Mikey from SDC
great dudes. They could give a shit less
about, you know, social media, none of that stuff.
They don't care. They're not put they're not

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politically correct at all. Mikey posts the most outlandish
things on his Instagram story, sometimes going he'll send you
down some conspiracy theory rabbit holes, which is great
you. Know I love conspiracy theories
and I I'm not subscribed to anyone specifically, but like
I'm because I'm from Nevada. I love alien shit that you know
what I mean. That's why all of the we have

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the alien themes on. The screen, you know, it was
funny. My lady, before I came here, she
was like, yeah, she's like, do not go down that route.
It's like I might need to be a two-part.
Podcast dude, we can do. I could do a whole episode.
I want to get some I want to getsome quacks on here, dude, like
some real because I've talked tolike if you ever go to Rachel,
NV. Never been there.
So, Rachel, where is it? It's it's southeast of Tonopah,

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OK. Oh dude, there ain't nothing out
there. It's the.
Gateway. It's how you get to the gate of
Area 51. Got it.
So it's a little the little podunk town before you get there
before you. Get there.
But it's a but it's got a theme of everything's fucking alien
out there, dude. And it's like they bought into
every conspiracy. It's like the alien jerky spot
on the way to Vegas. That same way and the alien

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brothel dude that's on the otherside of the area 51 that's on
the other side of the mountains.So, but the front, the back gate
I think is Rachel and I think the front gate.
Is it is absolutely wild to me though, Speaking of the alien
thing, how just no one cares andthey're completely out in the
open about it now. Like like no one cared.
No one cared. They literally unleashed all
these like video footage and files and no, like that's how

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dumbed down people are to like like, you know, just crazy
things. Now there's like.
Oh, and there's. Also so much and it's like, it's
like, yeah, eggs are $10, dude. Oh my God, yeah.
Eggs are $10. My God, Jake, is he here?
Jake has a He grows his own eggs.
That's not a bad idea. Yeah, huh.

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He grows his own eggs. Come say hi.
Say what up? How's it going?
Guys, hey, I love you. Good night, man.
How are you? Nice to meet you.
Come here. So what's up?
Don't say anything racist. Oh again, like down the rabbit
hole. It's like my buddies like all I
swear we're probably going to get raided by the FBI at some

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point because of all the anti Israel stuff that we see are
just there's a lot of. Fucked up shit on the Internet.
It's insane. I like and it's crazy that.
Guy that guy that just came on sends me the most fucked up shit
dude. He's crazy.
It's crazy to me because I'm like, this is this is totally
just out in the open and no one cares.
I'm like, I'm like, this is likestuff I would have saw on like I
like, I'm trying to think of like those websites who went on

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back in the day. They were like had like the
crazy like lively dude, I'm like, what is this doing on
Instagram? I'm doing like.
Yeah, no, it's just on Instagram, bro.
It's just crazy. It's just in people's reels,
like, you know. Yeah, No, I, I, I definitely
think that there's the the fact that they're so open only makes

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me skeptical that they're just trying to add misinformation to
the thing, dude. I honestly, it's like I tell my
chick I just, it's, it's just pure entertainment at this
point. Like whatever.
Also, it's like nothing surprises anybody now.
No, you know. What I mean not at all.
You know, like I have some friends that are just hardcore
like Trump, people that will ride or die for that man till
the day they die. And like, you know, I voted for

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the guy, but at the same time, I'm I'm not afraid to call
someone out if I'm like, hey, this don't seem right to me, you
know what I mean? And it's just like.
I'm not married to any of my opinions.
Ever Dude, I get you know, I gotlike some of my boomer buddies
that are just like, oh, how dareyou.
They get all mad and I'm like, dude, anyone can get it.
I don't care. You know what I mean?
I'm not ashamed to throw a shadeat like any, any party, any side

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like, yeah, you know, if it's, if I think it's stupid or funny,
I think it's funny. I think a lot of it is all
ridiculous bro. Oh, it is.
Absolutely ridiculous. That's why I just like, ride my
dirt bike and stay in my little bubble and.
One of my favorite things is, isI don't know if you ever seen
that one. It was like Conor McGregor did
an interview and they were asking him about.
Was this like Coach Connor or isthis like early Connor?

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No, it was. Because Co Connor's a great time
to watch on social. Media because it was right after
a fight, but it was something about they they asked him like,
what do you think it was right before the elections and he was
something about like, hey, who do you think is going to win?
And, and he said something funnyand it was like, if you guys
think that you guys are in control of that, yeah, you're
fucking. Wrong.

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Then you're dumb. I was like.
Does he know something or is he just Irish?
You know what I mean? But I it made me think and I was
like, that's how I think. Yeah.
Then you'll go in the comment section and people are like, oh,
he's got too much Botox to thinknow.
Yeah. Did he have Botox?
Oh dude, if he gets punched that's gonna be blowing out of
his side of his head. Stretch bro, you know what I
mean from. He looks, he looks bad, right?
Yeah, he's running for something.

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And President, Yeah, President of Ireland or something like
that. Fuck yeah, dude.
Isn't Rosie O'Donnell trying to be a citizen now?
Rosie O'Donnell is not a citizenish.
No, she she moved to Ireland. Yeah, she did.
Yeah. Good for her.
Yeah, probably a good idea. Oh my.
God, yeah. Have you watched?
Have you watched? Speaking of Irish, have you
watched the new House of Guinness?

(50:54):
No, I haven't. It's a Netflix one dude.
We just got done watching the The Monster thing with Charlie
Hannam. Charlie Hannam, Yeah.
Yeah, so my funniest thing is just watching all the girls just
absolutely mortified that Jax Teller is a cross dresser.
Sick. I'm like, he's an actor, good
for him. He's an actor.
You know, it's like Ed Hardy talks about being gay.

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And I told my wife that. And I was like, dude, like, you
love this guy, but he's he's like half gay.
Yeah. And I was like, that's OK.
Yeah, that's all good. Just know that.
And she's like fuck, I can't getpast it.
You know like one someone I saw like there and I was like I had
to rewatch some SOA episodes like get that image to him not
my. Sure, dude.
Yeah, yeah. It's, it's, I think he killed
it, bro. No, he did great.

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I don't know. He kind of talked.
Like Winnie the Pooh a little bit, but I don't know if that
was like, you know, what they were doing.
That's how that dude talked. Yeah, You know what I mean.
He was like if Lenny, Of Mice and Men was an actual person.
Fuck dude, did they make a mice and men movie yet?
They don't. They probably have dude.
That's a fucked up one dude. But I'm like, yeah, just some
big ogre just going around killing people in the middle of

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like, what state was he in? Wisconsin.
Wisconsin. Good Lord.
There's a lot of serial. Killers from Wisconsin There's
he's not the. Only something in the water out
there. Something, I think it's just
what else do you do in fucking Wisconsin, dude?
You know what I mean? Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, they're pretty good families out there, pretty
good at skinning. People, dude, there's there's
another major serial killer. Will you look it up real quick?
There's another major serial killer in Wisconsin.

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Bro is that Jamie? No, bro, it's somebody famous.
Somebody more famous. Not if there's Ed Gein.
Anybody else know Arnold Palmer?It's like.
I don't think he's from Wisconsin even.
Dude. Yeah, no egging to who we're
talking about. So just Google serial killers

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from Wisconsin. Dahmer's from Wisconsin.
From Wisconsin, told you dog. And now all Sagittarius is too.
I don't know if there's some relation.
There's like, there's like. Do you believe in that stuff?
So I'm Romani Gypsy, we inventedthat shit to scam you fucks, you
know what I'm saying? I'll tell you what though, so I
will say I'm reading. I don't believe in tarot cards.

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I don't believe in any of that shit.
I'll be real because I know people.
You know the history too. I, I I know.
I don't know, man, I'm not part they invented strip club.
We invented strip clubs. I just don't I just don't
believe in it because I'm a scamartist at my heart.
So I'm just what's your hustle? You know what I mean?

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So I I think everything's. Good, I know I've, you know, you
know, my previous years, it's like, you know, dated shakes.
They were like the like the rockcollectors and oh, you know what
I mean? I'm just like, you know, you
walk into the room and they got the tapestry up on the wall with
the fucking the Walmart lights and you're just like, good Lord,
you know what I mean? Just one time can we get a girl

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that just collects? Oh, I'm so I'm grateful for
mine, you know, I'm grateful formine.
She's she's normal. She is normal.
She she loves, Yeah. She's great bro.
Yeah, she loves working at Shay's.
Told me she was like, oh, I got an interview at at that bar and
I'm like, yeah, I'm like, man, that's like the only
recollection I have of that place.
But at the same time, it was cool because, like, she had a

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mutual friend with Lacey that was like, perfect, right?
I was like, you're in good hands.
I trust everything's gonna be smooth at that bar.
No problem. Awesome.
So you were talking about conspiracy theories.
What's your favorite one that you subscribe?
To my God. All right.
Well, I would say now I'm just completely and I have no idea

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why our government gives like Israel all this money.
OK, zero idea. I get what you're saying.
Yeah. Yeah, No idea.
And I don't, I don't get why I don't.
I don't remember it gives any money to any other country.
Any other country. But now it's you can draw.
You can draw a line. I the only thing I say is it is
it gonna affect my kids at my house?

(54:51):
Oh, yeah. And then I don't care.
You know what I mean? Yeah.
And then I just fucking stay outof it.
To me, it's just like funny because it's like, I feel like
it, it's, it's one, one thing that like pisses off both sides
cuz you got all these people that are like, oh, you don't
like Israel. You're, you're like, you know,
you're Hitler, you're like, you know, whatever, blah, blah,
blah. And then you have all these
people that are like, you know, on the other side of the aisle.

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You can literally piss us off both sides of the aisle which is
hilarious to me cuz I'm just like.
Polarization I, I think is very manufactured.
Oh yeah. I don't think that it's as real
as we are made for it to believeto be.
Yeah, I don't think our country is cuz I I literally travel the
country for my job. Yeah.
And I don't think that I've beento the reddest red parts of

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rural Wyoming. Yeah, where?
And I have been to the fucking bluest blue parts of Southern
California. You know what I'm saying?
Yeah. Like I went to, I went to
Seattle, WA, Seattle, Portland, Yeah.
And I and I was there. Everyone was cool, everyone was
nice. And I just.
Like do not hate people the way that it's made to be.
They're just glamorizing a very small portion of everybody

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that's like, you know, like it'sjust they're outliers.
Yeah, I think that, yeah. They're a little mentally
broken. You know, I feel like everybody
just, like, is way more angry than they should or they care
way too much. You know, Like, I kind of liked
it when politics weren't like a big thing and we were more
worried about stuff that actually mattered, you know?
But now it's like, you know, social media again, It's like

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everyone's got a voice, everyone's got a platform,
everyone's got a box to stand on.
And yeah, here you are. There's so many people that talk
about politics. I, I, I think that there's,
because it's a polarizing issue and because it's got a negative
connotation, I will always just try to make sure that we try to

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emphasize the parts of humanity that are beautiful.
You know what I'm saying? It's like that's drugs and
alcohol recovery is a not a partisan thing.
Entrepreneurship, it's not a partisan thing, you know, just
it. It takes nothing to be positive.
The craziest thing is like at the end of the day, everyone

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wants the same thing for sure. And like if I got like I said,
I've had conversations with people that are so like
radically one way or the other. I know.
And I'm just like, you know, like there's a line like right
here that like we cross and like, if you just stay there,
like, yeah, everything's fine. I'm I'm with whatever side

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reveals the aliens quicker, you know what I'm saying?
Dude tells us where the fuck everything is, bro.
That's why I want some alien parts to make my bike faster.
Dude, dude, there's got well, sothat was, that's my favorite one
is fiber optics. Yeah.
Have you heard about this? Yeah.
Yeah. But they're saying that like we
didn't. The fiber optics were directly
in correlation of the crash in Roswell.

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Yeah. And it was like, there's like
lines drawn from the crash in Roswell and then fiber optic
cable being invented. Oh, they're saying that about
like cell phone technology and this and that, like, 'cause like
the rapid pace of it. And it's just like, there is no
other explanation for it other than like they're getting
influence from something. I'm just like, I totally believe
that. I'm like, yeah, dude, like, how

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do we go from having flip phoneswhen I was 13 years old or, you
know, like, maybe 12 years old to like having a literally
walking computer? My teacher was full of shit when
she said we weren't going to have calculators in our pockets,
you know? I think that's crazy about like
the fact that the human race needs to constantly be
iterating, you know what I mean?Better versions, because I, I

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know I'm like that where I have iterations of myself, I've had
iterations of businesses, you know what I mean?
It's always growing and it's always getting better.
And I think that's such a uniquething that we have, man, you
know what I mean? It's constantly getting better
and improving. I think that's a positive, but
it is crazy and it is a fucking.It's like, where are we coming

(58:53):
up with this shit, dude? Yeah.
It's like the whole like, you know, Heavy D Sparks is.
Yeah, yeah. So he.
Just got arrested for like some Clean Air Act violation.
Fine that he wasn't going to pay.
They wanted like $875,000 from the guy and he's like, I'm not
paying that. He's got it.
But principal, he ain't gonna pay it.

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You know, I wouldn't either. But it's like that whole thing.
I, I listen to a comic, George Carlin, a lot, and he was more
like a yeah to me. He's more of a philosopher than
a comic. I like George Carlin.
Yeah, and like his whole thing on like, it's not that the
planets going away, the people are.
And that's where people get like, you know, selfish.
And they're just like, hey, guess what?
This place was here before us. It's gonna be here long after

(59:35):
we're gone. So like the cycle of like the
environment changing and stuff. Hey, if that's if we're a side
effect of of that and like goingaway, then it is what it is.
Like, you know, we got no control over that.
No matter that's like the illusion of like people having
control over like stuff like that.
That's completely out of your control.
I. Agree, I do agree.
I, I, I, yeah, I like George Carlin.

(59:57):
I like, man, his stand up was sofucking.
His stand up was great. I, I like, I like that shit.
And that's kind of stand up in my opinion.
Starting to make a comeback. Where like the you don't give a
fuck kind of stand up. Not like George, but like.
Like I said, I feel like he was more of a philosopher than he
was like a a comedian, but a lotof his comedy stuff was great.

(01:00:18):
But then like my favorite comic right now is like Shane Gillis.
Like yeah, he's and I liked him like before he got fired from
SNL. Like his podcast and stuff was
like great, but it's. We were talking about that with
the comedian we had on the otherday is like, it's such a great
way to have conversations. It's such a great way to open up
conversations, to shine a light on people's insanity.

(01:00:39):
You don't know. Oh, yeah, dude.
You know. Yeah.
We're all crazy. Yeah, bro, it's it's a great way
to start conversations, bro, Youknow what I mean?
Absolutely. That's what I really love about
Shane Gillis is he does an eloquent, funny, punchy way that
again, doesn't have to be. Yeah, he's one of the Bros.
A right or a left thing? Dude, it can just be.
If it's funny, it's funny. Shut the fuck up.

(01:01:00):
You know what I mean? That's my favorite, bro.
So yeah. So back to your business a
little bit. Is this your first venture in
starting your own company? Yeah, yeah, it is.
So it kind of crazy how how it worked out.
When I moved up here, I had a job like lined up for me.
I was working for a company that's out here and I've known
the owner. He's known me since I was born

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and he's known my dad since theywere kids.
Yeah. And I worked for him previously
for a little bit. And then when I was moving up
here, I'm like, hey, do you, youknow, need someone to work like
I need a job. And he was like, yeah,
absolutely. So I went to work for him, you
know, I was kind of running, I was running all the equipment
and doing a lot of the artwork and you know, just getting my
feet wet on like taking on more responsibility and like that

(01:01:42):
type of work. Cuz I was a, a union machinist
and welder for 10 years. So that's what I did for a long
time. And then I'm like, OK, let me
just take all, you know, let's let's dive into this cuz I'm
actually really into this. You know, it's not to me, it's
like fun. It's not really work.
Yeah. So anyways, it was going good.
And then they got slow, put me on two days a week.

(01:02:03):
And then I was going back and forth between, you know, here in
San Jose, like working at the machine shop again and go help
out my dad. And in that time I picked up,
you know, I was like, you know what, I'm going to start doing
side work, you know, which is what I've always done is like,
you know, graphic design and stuff on the side just to make
extra money because I was, you know, obviously short, you know,
days. Well, they got word that I was

(01:02:24):
doing that and they fired me when I was out of town.
Yeah, send me a text message. It was like a breakup over text.
So I was like, damn, that sucked.
Yeah. So that was kind of the kick in
the ass I needed to like do whatI'm doing right now.
And I wouldn't have done it if Ididn't get fired, which, you
know, at the end of the day, I can like, thank him for that.
It's like, hey, if you know, youknow, they they did it kind of

(01:02:45):
in a messed up way to me. But at the end of the day, I'm
like, yeah, that's what I needed.
You know, I'll take it up, take it on the chin and just like,
take it as a learning experience, you know?
Yeah, but no, it's everything's happened for a Oh yeah, it's my
first time. Like doing my own thing and.
I'm still trying to figure out the business end of things a
little bit, but you know, for the most part it's like I

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provide something that like no one else does.
Like for the most part when you order like graphics for your
dirt bike, you go online and like they have a website and
then you have all these pre madedesigns that all you do is just
like throw your number and your name on it and whatever logos
you want. Yeah.
And that's it. Yeah, which that's cool to a
point, you know, but you still run the risk of like rolling up
to the track and seeing the samegraphics that you have, but just

(01:03:29):
a different number, red and red and black, whatever.
Yeah, exactly. And it's just like that kind.
Of bummed me out so I was like, you know what, I don't have any
overhead really because my houseis paid for so I can justify
like spending some more time on artwork.
So that's why I like doing custom stuff for everybody
because then it's tailored to every customer.

(01:03:50):
Everyone's different, you know so it's like everyone's personal
personality is in those designs to me and I like rolling up to
the track and not having one of my bikes like the same.
Yeah, it's cool. I agree.
I agree. I think that that's an important
thing as well, I think. Having a different thing and I
also I always wondered that is like because I always think it'd
be dope to have a we were talking about this like if you

(01:04:12):
want to fucking you want your graphics on your dirt bike to
beat camo bro with your number, dude, fucking do that.
I'm actually doing a camo kid right now.
Like camo with like Matt. Laminate so it'll look like
Yeah, it'll look sick. Yeah, it's like up for one of my
neighbors that lives down the street.
Good dude. Dude, and he's on the.
HOA, so it's always good to stayon their good side.
Oh man, you're in HOA? Dude, you're Kylie Ranch.

(01:04:35):
I actually don't even know what the name of my HOA is but.
It's cool, 'cause like I have a family member on it.
Yeah, my cousin's wife is on it.And then my, that that one
neighbor, Mark, and yeah, you know, kind of go through the
ringer with them a little bit here and there.
Like I wonder if Hoas were invented by gypsies dude because
they've had to invent. Dude, it's a scam, you know what
I mean? The only.
Thing, like the only thing I do like, I will say coming from the

(01:04:58):
Bay Area is it does keep everyone, yeah, You know,
everyone's stuff looks nice, which I'll take that.
You know, I do like that. And it keeps your property value
up. I get that.
Yeah, but I mean, but the littlenitpicky stuff, man, like.
I'll go racing over the weekend.I'll leave my trailer and my
truck hooked up in front of my house and then all of a sudden I
get a notice in the mail and someone drove by and took a

(01:05:19):
picture of my truck and trailer in front of my house.
I'm like you assholes, like I'm not unloading this thing.
It's on Sunday night. Like I want to sleep, you know
what I mean? I'll take care of it in a day or
two and at least like my stuff is cool.
Like it's a bad ass trailer and a nice truck.
So it's not like some like rinkydink stuff.
So it's cool to look at, you know.
But yeah, the HOA thing is like it's, it's crazy.

(01:05:40):
But also, like I said, it's got pluses and minuses, you know?
It does, bro. It does the big pluses.
You don't live. In California anymore, bro?
Yeah, that's massive. That's like, I'll take it.
I'll take HOA over that. For sure, dude, but now like the
it's the business has been goinggood.
You know, luckily I've had I've built a lot a pretty large
clientele over the years. So like I have friends that own

(01:06:02):
big brands like, you know, purpose built local Chris, like
a good friend of mine, I actually just did a bunch of
breast cancer stickers for him this week that he's selling to
like raise awareness and stuff. And then we're going to have the
club do stickers through you. Yeah, I appreciate that.
Yeah, we've been like piecing them together to wherever we can
find. It but like to have a.
Consistent, like I want to be able to shoot a text, like I

(01:06:23):
need a four by two sticker and just be able to run, you know
what I mean? Quick Yeah.
And then like you're definitely going to pick up.
Clubs. Knowing you know who you are,
you know? Yeah.
Like, you know, I got, you know,I'm.
I'm contracted. With, you know, other clubs, so
like, you know, I can only, you know, do certain things, which
is like cool cuz like, you know,you get locked in that way and
it's nice but yeah so like, you know, between like brands like

(01:06:45):
that hostility with Roger, you know, I just did a bunch of
hostility decals for him too. All those, those are really
tight, yeah. So yeah.
And like. That was like.
Again, just another person you know.
I grew up watching him go from aplumber to what he is now, which
is insane to me. And that was like a big
inspiration on like the sobrietyand like to hustling and start

(01:07:07):
my own business and all that kind of stuff.
You know, I learned a lot from that guy, which is, you know,
badass. And he's he's, he's Roger.
At the end of the day, like. He's fun to work with, you know,
like I'm sure, I'm sure TJ couldrelate on that one a little bit.
Yeah, he Roger's like very particular, but he'll make you
better. Like he'll sometimes you'll want
to kill him, but at the end of the day, you're like, all right,

(01:07:29):
you know, let's see what he's doing.
Particular people, in my opinion, are the ones that like
like John I probably John Drive.John crazy is it's like I am.
I have to have it my way. Yeah.
And sometimes my way is wrong. And we fucking learn this, bro.
And like, we've learned this lots of times, but I have to
have it my way. Yeah.
Otherwise I just won't sleep. I'll vibrate.
You know what I mean? And so it's like the people

(01:07:50):
around me that really love me, they'll just let me fail or do
it right. Sometimes I'm right, sometimes
I'm wrong. And I'll fail and they'll let me
do it. And then, oh, I've dealt with
customers that are just like I'mjust.
Warning you, I'm kind of a pain to work with.
And as soon as I get that text, I'm just like, God, you know?
I'm not a pain to work with. I'm just a pain.
To be around, you know what I mean?

(01:08:11):
So I'm just, I'm just a pain. There's like, it's like my, it's
like my, I think. The first time I had my I.
Got my Harley painted. Check it out.
This is and my badges were millimeters I think I took a
what do you call it a caliper Calipers.
It was calipers. It was one side was off.
I think you know, you see one side.
One time. It's fucking stupid bro.
And I know exactly. And I was like, it doesn't, you

(01:08:33):
know, and I'm the only time I would say that I'll give you
credit on that is if you're looking.
At like your back Fender and thepinstriping don't match from one
side or the other. That too.
All right, That would bother me driving crazy.
Like yeah, gas tank emblems. Being the being the the sticker.
Guy if like if. Someone came.
Out and busted out a set of calipers to see if like 1 logo
was within like tolerance. I'd be all that's fucking

(01:08:54):
ridiculous. It's it was ridiculous.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, dude.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going to overcharge you.
You know what I've actually toldcustomers?
Before, because, you know, I, I charge for revisions, you know,
so I'm like, yeah, you, you get 2, two free ones.
And then after that it's about 10-10 bucks a piece.
And then, you know, but it's just funny because some people

(01:09:15):
take advantage of like the firsttwo free ones and then I hit
them on the throne. I'm like, hey, instead of it
being 10 bucks, it'd be 100. You know, like this is kind of
out outrageous. Oh, you know what, Let's just
run it. I'm like, that's what I thought.
Yeah, trust me, it'll look good.Yeah, that's, that's another
thing. It's like I try to convince
customers I'm like, yo, if my name's on anything, I want it to
be perfect. And I'm super, I'm a perfect.

(01:09:35):
I'm a perfectionist to a fault. Like I'll spend way too much
time on certain things because like, not even let the customer
will notice it, but I'll know, you know, and that's like, I'll
go, I'll spend hours on something, you know, like
cleaning up a logo or something like that.
Like going through and making all the curves like perfect and
like they won't know the difference, but I will, you

(01:09:56):
know, cuz like I'll look at the previous one they had and then
the one that I did, I'm like, yeah, mine looks better.
You know, I agree. That's like huge for me.
And like, yeah, do you when you when you're designing?
These are you like are they giving you creative control?
For the most part, I've had I've, I've had a lot of people.
That are just like this is kind of my direction.

(01:10:18):
I want to go in and run and theyjust let me run with it, which
is great cuz those, those, it's like, you know, I've had my
helmets painted in the past and like every helmet painter I've
been to, I'm like, here's my helmet and it's plain white.
Like here's what my race car looked.
Like or dirt bike at the. Time looked like do your thing,
you know, and because that's that's why you're an artist.

(01:10:40):
That's why you know you're doingwhat you're doing is because
you're good at what you do and you know, and that's why people
pay you to do that because of your talent.
And it's like, I've dealt with some customers where they're
like, this is what I want. I don't want you to screw with
nothing. I don't want you to mess with
that. This is that, that's it.
And it's like, OK, no problem. And like, I'll do whatever they
want, you know, which is fine. But yeah, they want the

(01:11:01):
customers that just kind of let me have free rein is like super
cool because it's like, all right.
It's I take it as a challenge. Like I just did a sticker kit
for this kid. He's on 60 fives.
It's my friend's kid. And he rips super fast.
But he like, like the bikes are red.
And then he wanted purple, pink and cheetah print.
And I'm like, sick, dude. And I came out badass.

(01:11:23):
But it's like, all right, cool. Like, I love like, stuff like
that. Like, let me see how I can take
this crazy idea and just make itinto something cool.
Oh, absolutely, bro. Yeah.
That's. Do you have any advice for young
entrepreneurs trying to start a business thinking they're going
to you know, I mean, just cuz I'm so fresh with it, I mean, I
would just. Say just you.

(01:11:43):
Honestly, just if you're thinking of doing it, it's worth
it. You know, even if you fail, you
know, I feel like I've, I've known a lot of people that took
the leap and it didn't really work out how they wanted to.
But then, you know, you know, I know a lot of people that have
had ideas on doing their own thing, but I've never just like
taken the leap and done it. And then you're.

(01:12:04):
Always like what if I you know? What if I did do that?
You know, I'd rather just be like, you know what?
I tried it and it didn't work, but at least I tried, you know?
Well, where can everybody find you?
On social media, man. So my Instagram page, my
personal page is at. 555 STRIPLEFIVE and then my business
page is at Visionmotoco. It's super easy to find.

(01:12:25):
You got it. Well, Mark, thank you so much
for being here, bro. No problem.
We appreciate it. We're gonna, we'd love to have
you back on. If you're looking for the custom
decals or anything like that, not just in Reno, but to support
a local Reno business, check outVisionmoto.
You know, yeah, absolutely. Dude.
Mark, thanks so much for being here, bro.
Appreciate it dude.

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