April 20, 2025 • 36 mins
In this special episode of A Cozy Space with Tatiana Elizabeth, I sit down with the radiant Eva Apio, philanthropist, model, and muse—to talk about everything from our friendship faith and fashion to softness and self-worth.
Eva opens up about navigating the fashion industry as a woman of African descent, how she protects her peace in high-pressure spaces, and what choosing herself has looked like in every chapter. We talk sisterhood, spiritual grounding, her evolving relationship with beauty, and the legacy she’s building beyond modeling.
✨ Tap in for a conversation about identity, inner growth, and the power of softness. Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and share with someone who needs a cozy moment of reflection and connection.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Welcome back to A Cozy Space with me, Tatiana
Elizabeth.
Today I have the beautiful,talented, and multidimensional
Eva Apio here.
My good friends, my girl, and itgirl that you guys know and
love,
SPEAKER_01 (00:13):
Eva Apio.
Hi guys.
What does multidimensional mean?
SPEAKER_00 (00:19):
Multidimensional means that you do a lot of
things really well.
SPEAKER_01 (00:23):
Ah, okay.
Yeah.
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So, Eva and I are here in Miami.
We are shooting...
from the comfort of our hotelroom.
I flew down to Miami to see Evabecause she just was requesting
my presence.
And she's obsessed.
She asked to
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come see
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me.
She's obsessed with
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me.
She FaceTimed me and told meshe's coming.
SPEAKER_00 (00:42):
Eva is like that annoying little sister that I'm
happy I have.
So I just love you so much.
And thank you for coming on thepod.
Let's just start talking aboutmodeling your career.
What drew you to modeling?
What made you get started inmodeling?
SPEAKER_01 (00:54):
I actually didn't want to be a model.
Fun fact.
I wanted to be...
physio and save lives and likekill people and you know she was
just so pretty right no no butthen my dad was like you know
what I think you should do thisyour mom's done it why don't you
try it and I was like I don'tknow I have things to do so then
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he wrote down all the agenciesin London drove me around London
and until one signed me
SPEAKER_00 (01:26):
wow and how old were you I
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was like 17
SPEAKER_00 (01:29):
That's crazy, guys.
I met you when you were 17 yearsold in New York.
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I'm 25 this
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year.
And you're 25.
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Big woman age.
SPEAKER_00 (01:37):
Oh, please.
But that's so interesting.
SPEAKER_01 (01:39):
Grand woman.
SPEAKER_00 (01:40):
That's so interesting that it's actually
your dad and your parents thatgot you into it.
Yeah, because it's
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usually the opposite.
SPEAKER_00 (01:46):
It's usually the opposite.
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Yeah.
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That's so crazy.
And you were 17 years old.
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I was 17 years
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old.
So when's the first time youcame to America by yourself?
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18 years old.
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No.
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As you know, 17.
Yeah, 17.
Yeah, 17, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (01:58):
Wow.
That's crazy.
Do you remember your first job?
Your first modeling job?
SPEAKER_01 (02:03):
My first modeling job?
I think it was like ASOS, butfor feet.
You know when you have to do thefeet part?
Yeah.
Like the heels.
Yeah.
No, not the jeans.
Yeah, just the shoes and thehands, like the rings, the
earrings.
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And you worked your way up?
And
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they paid me like, I think it was like 900 a day.
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That's not bad.
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That's not bad.
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Back then for hands and feet.
And you didn't have to putmakeup on.
Didn't have to.
No, they
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do glam.
They do your glam becauseobviously of the earrings.
SPEAKER_00 (02:34):
Oh, dang.
That's crazy.
And then you worked your way up.
Oh, that face.
We need the face.
That's wild.
In a world that tries to moldpeople into like what they want
it to be.
How do you think that you'vemaintained your authenticity?
SPEAKER_01 (02:48):
Personally, I feel as if.
Because I wasn't.
born in like Europe.
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Where were you born?
I
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was born in Uganda.
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Yeah.
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So I think I have like a, like I hold onto my
roots.
Does that make sense?
Like I know where I'm comingfrom.
I know I have my, like my goalin my view.
And obviously like I'm notsaying I wouldn't get swayed
left or right sometimes, butit's like, okay, just like, ooh.
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And then I'm like still stuck inthe middle and still going to
where I'm meant to go.
I'd say my friends, my family.
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Keep you grounded.
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They keep me grounded.
They check on, well, they don'tcheck on me.
They check me.
Like Eva, not too much now.
Yeah.
I think I have like a goodsupport system.
Yeah.
Yeah,
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your mom is really sweet.
I feel like anytime I'm aroundyou, your mom calls and checks
in on you and she's praying foryou.
And, you know, it's so cute.
It's good to see.
I love it.
How important is femalefriendship to you?
Would you consider yourself agirl's girl?
SPEAKER_01 (03:57):
Me?
Would you consider me a girl'sgirl?
SPEAKER_00 (03:59):
I would, of course, consider you a girl's girl.
Why
SPEAKER_01 (04:01):
are you laughing?
Why are you saying that?
SPEAKER_00 (04:02):
Because you are a girl's girl.
You're so fun.
You're so funny.
I think that you are big Leoenergy.
So...
Don't look down.
You are.
You have big Leo energy.
And I feel like you naturallydraw people to you.
And I feel like with great powercomes responsibility.
And you can always tell theultimate girl's girl when all
eyes are on you.
But you still make sure that thepeople around you are taken care
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of and feel just as valued asyou feel.
And I think that that is theultimate level of girl's girl.
Because a lot of people couldtake that and keep it on them.
You like to give everybody theirthings.
Oh, you want more compliments?
Keep on
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coming.
No, I would say I'm a girl'sgirl.
Like, me and Tatiana will gosomewhere and females won't say,
I'll be like, Tatiana, is itnormal?
She'll be like, Americans.
I'm like, Tatiana, let me justsay hi.
She's like, even they don't sayhi to us.
Let me say hi.
But then it's like, some girlsjust have an attitude for no
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reason.
I'm just like, why but I guessas you said like our personality
is like overwhelming but it'slike we're all friends we
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are fair let's just have fun let's just be nice
SPEAKER_01 (05:13):
honestly like it's especially if you go out with
your friends you just want tohave fun and just no one has
energy to like Just be badvibes.
Some people are just bad vibes.
Like
SPEAKER_00 (05:21):
why?
Why did you even leave yourhouse to be bad vibes?
I don't get
SPEAKER_01 (05:25):
it.
And now all of a sudden when youstart drinking, that's when
you're good vibes.
SPEAKER_00 (05:27):
Yeah, no, I don't like that.
But even yesterday we had awaitress at a restaurant.
SPEAKER_01 (05:32):
Yeah.
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And she was so sweet.
Her energy was just so happy andso pure.
And that just, that can makesomebody's day.
The
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first person who sat at our table, she was just like.
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Stink and nasty.
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I was like, okay.
Like I get, okay, it's a hardday at work, but.
Dang.
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Yeah.
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Then the next one she was like, hi guys, welcome.
And I was like, okay, now I wantto enjoy
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my food.
Now I want to eat.
Now I want to tip you.
Now I want to enjoy myself.
No, definitely.
I think that it's so importantto just live life with good
energy and just be happy andfun.
Even, you know, fake it till youmake it.
I do
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have those moments where I have to fake it.
I tend to be like, Yvonne.
SPEAKER_00 (06:05):
Fix your face.
SPEAKER_01 (06:05):
Fix your face.
Sure, fix your face.
Yeah,
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because it can be valid sometimes.
I guess you never know whatpeople are going through.
But I feel like...
If you're out and in public, Ithink that's just a part of like
having couth, like having likejust good manners.
It's just presenting yourselfrespectfully and nicely.
You
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know a lot of big words.
Couth.
Girl.
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What does that
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mean?
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Says the girl from England.
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It doesn't mean a midget.
SPEAKER_00 (06:30):
C-O-U-T-H.
Nicki Minaj taught me what couthwas.
I had to Google it after I sawit on the song.
I said, wait, let me Google thisone.
You're not going to catch meslipping.
What's something in your lifethat a woman has taught you that
you would never forget or thatyou hold near and dear?
SPEAKER_01 (06:50):
Something that a woman has taught me that I'll
never forget.
Oh, one thing my mom alwaystells me, she's like, and I
actually pass it along to a fewof my friends.
She's always said to me,whatever you're going through,
make sure your nails are done.
was a fact because you can knowi'm going through something if
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my nails are not done likereally yes tatiana and you know
that because you don't have timeto go do your nails now right
now they're not done
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this is not bad i'm talking about like like nails
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off and it's just my natural like uh
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for me i think i think it's my hair like if my
hair isn't done
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because i can wrap it up i wear a hat
SPEAKER_00 (07:31):
yeah true
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but like
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My nails?
Not
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even a little polish, not even a little
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clip or
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file or cut.
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But that's crazy.
Yes,
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then you're going through it.
Another one is, what else shouldyou say to me?
You'd always know a good man bythe way he treats his mom.
If they have a good relationshipwith their mother.
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Like
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a healthy relationship
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with their mother.
Yeah, I agree with that.
SPEAKER_01 (07:59):
You'll know if they're family orientated.
Oh, big words.
Clack it.
By how they maneuver with theirfamily.
Obviously, like, not allfamilies are, like, integrated.
I get it.
But how, like, their perspectiveon it and, like, you know, not
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like...
Oh, forget them.
What do you mean forget them?
Wait, hold on.
Who's your family?
They're dead to me.
What
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do you mean?
Everybody?
They could be dead to you.
I could be dead to you.
I'm very disposable.
Every single
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person in your family is dead to you?
Dang.
Yeah, no, I agree.
Also, I get it.
Things do happen.
But obviously, if they have adifferent perception, like, oh,
I want to work out one day and,you know.
Another
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one.
Ooh, you're driving Jim's today.
Bow, bow, bow.
SPEAKER_01 (08:44):
Another one.
Thank you.
Another one.
Thank you.
What would another one be?
I would say never go to bedangry.
That's a good one my mom tellsme.
Like if you've had an argumentwith someone, sort it out that
day.
Or like go for a walk.
Before you go to bed, you haveto sort it out, Tatiana.
SPEAKER_00 (09:05):
I don't go to bed angry, babe.
SPEAKER_01 (09:07):
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_00 (09:07):
Because you look to the side, you're like...
I don't go to bed angry.
I don't like being angry at all,to be honest.
No, you don't,
SPEAKER_01 (09:14):
actually.
SPEAKER_00 (09:14):
Yeah, you have to get me to the point.
to want to be angry.
Not even
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angry.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (09:19):
Sad or upset.
SPEAKER_01 (09:20):
Yeah.
Don't go to bed upset.
Or don't allow someone else togo to bed upset because then now
they're going to wake up in themorning and their whole like
intention of the day are like,
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damn.
Yeah.
I think that that's a big redflag like with people.
Like I don't like people whowant, who don't care to mend
things.
Like someone who doesn't havethe consideration to not want
you to go to bed angry or whodoesn't care to like squash
things or level it out.
You
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never know what could happen.
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And
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now the last thing was, I made that person angry.
SPEAKER_00 (09:52):
Yeah, no, for sure.
I agree.
I agree.
Those are good ones.
See your mom beginning youtogether, huh?
Because those are all from yourmom.
Shout out to her.
Oh my goodness.
So how do you deal with that?
How do you cope with that?
I feel like you travel so much.
You're away from your family somuch.
How do you find the balance?
in being away from your family?
SPEAKER_01 (10:13):
I think I get overstimulated really quickly.
I don't know why.
I don't know why it is.
I get overstimulated reallyquickly.
So I think me traveling keeps ahealthy balance between my
friends, a healthy balancebetween my family because I was
at home I'll see everyone forlike a good week and then I'll
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stay in my house for a good weekand then everyone will take it
so personally you know like danglike Eva you haven't seen us are
you okay yeah like do you hateme you haven't spoken to me in
like a week I'm like I just needsome time um my friends and my
family are very like hands-onthey'll call me like Eva how are
you or I'll call them or likeI'll post something and be like
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sometimes like my best friendHayley she won't messaged me for
two days, but she, then threedays I haven't posted anything.
She'd be like, okay, postsomething.
I need to know you're alive.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (11:05):
Like now, where are you?
Yeah.
It's like,
SPEAKER_01 (11:07):
send me a voice note.
No, she would literally say,send me a voice note.
I want to hear your voice andhear that you're okay.
That's good.
That's sweet.
SPEAKER_00 (11:14):
Yeah.
Oh, shout out to Haley.
So through modeling, did youever think that you would become
this big?
Did you ever see yourself?
I ain't big yet.
You are big.
Not yet.
You're the biggest.
SPEAKER_01 (11:24):
Not yet.
Not
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yet.
So how did you foresee yourcareer?
Were you just rolling with it?
Did you have a plan?
SPEAKER_01 (11:33):
Honestly, people are going to think I'm so crazy for
this, but I don't have a planfor my career.
People are going to think I'm socrazy for that.
But for me anyways, noexpectations means no
disappointments.
So rather than setting a finalgoal, like in life, my actual
final goal is in regards of likemaking sure my family's good and
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making sure I'm good.
That could be mainly financiallyor like emotionally, like in any
way.
So that's my, that's thehindsight goal for me.
Not necessarily like have thebiggest house, not necessarily
have the best career, notnecessarily have, you know, the
best bag and all these things.
But I never had like, I want tobe this big model.
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I want to be this and this andthat.
And I think that's kind of whathelped me because if I had like,
So I concentrate on my littlegoals.
I'd be like, okay, this month Iwant to have five jobs.
Okay, five jobs, check.
Rather than like, oh my gosh, Ihaven't got five jobs.
Oh my God, I want to be thebiggest model.
Oh my gosh, I want to be thebiggest.
And it kind of like sets youback in a way, like mentally.
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So no, I've never actually like,I don't have like...
Same.
I
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feel like I just roll with it.
I accept the blessings.
I do the best that I can.
And I move through life just...
happy and thankful and I havegratitude.
And I feel like that's where alot of people mess up because
they're comparing and looking tothe left and looking to the
right.
It's like when you're on yourown path.
You know what works for you.
You know what works for you andyou know that you're always
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going to have abundance in yourpath.
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And I get, again, I get obviously very quickly.
If I'm like, I'm going to be thebiggest model and someone said
no to me, I'll just be like, youknow what?
I don't want to do this anyway.
SPEAKER_00 (13:13):
You're going to go back and be a doctor.
I'm like, yeah, I don't want todo this anyway.
So do you think you would evergo back to be a doctor?
Yes, I want to.
Yeah?
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Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (13:19):
You want to?
SPEAKER_01 (13:19):
Yeah.
But it means I have to finishschool.
Dang.
Dang.
But you can start now,
SPEAKER_00 (13:25):
though.
Dang.
What kind of doctor would yoube?
I
SPEAKER_01 (13:27):
want to be a physio, but my dad's like, oh, you just
want to rub on...
Huh?
SPEAKER_00 (13:31):
What's a physio?
SPEAKER_01 (13:31):
A physiotherapist.
Like, if you...
I want to be a sportphysiotherapist.
So it means, like...
No, Tatiana.
If, you know...
No, seriously, be serious.
So basically, I personally, I'minterested in how, I'm
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interested in how, ow, it's hot.
I'm interested as to how, like,the body works to bring itself
back after injury.
I find it so interesting,especially in sports that you
can wear and tear your musclesand stuff and it gets fixed up
right back.
I find that so interesting.
So I was like, you know what?
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I want to help athletes.
When I told that to my dad, mydad was like, so you just want
to rub on strong men I said no Igenuinely want to help athletes
yeah but then he was like it'skind of like a closed market
unless you work for actual clubor a team or something and I was
like
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you're that smart
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so I'm going to open my own clinic one day god
willing
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amen yeah
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amen that's cool
SPEAKER_00 (14:38):
yeah well I mean I could I feel like everyone could
use physical therapy at thispoint exactly yeah everyone can
use physical therapy
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yeah
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Okay, so you have been modeling and in the game
and just in the mix for a while.
I know,
SPEAKER_01 (14:49):
people think I'm a lot older than
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I actually am.
Yeah.
Going back to, I literally metyou when you were 17.
Okay, not too much.
And I'm like, why is this girl?
We're your parents, you're 17.
What's happening?
But if you could speak to thatyounger version of yourself
right now, what would you tellher?
SPEAKER_01 (15:06):
You're doing good, kid.
SPEAKER_00 (15:08):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (15:08):
You're doing good, kid.
I don't think I would changeanything.
Because have you ever watched amovie, Butterfly Effect?
SPEAKER_00 (15:15):
I've heard of it, but I've never heard
SPEAKER_01 (15:16):
of it.
So it's like, this guy alwaysgoes back to try to change
something and it always changessomething in the future.
In the future, yeah.
So I wouldn't, I'd keepeverything exactly the same.
Because it's like, I learnedcertain things on the way.
Yeah.
I survived certain things alongthe way.
So I don't think I would changeanything or advise myself with
anything.
I agree.
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I'd
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give myself- So like everything is meant?
SPEAKER_01 (15:38):
Yeah, I'd give myself a friend like me though.
Like, I'd be, kind of like howyou're my friend when I was
younger, I'd be my own friend.
when I was younger.
Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_00 (15:46):
No.
SPEAKER_01 (15:46):
So I was 17 and you're my friend.
SPEAKER_00 (15:48):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (15:49):
Right?
Yeah.
I'd be my friend when I was 17.
Does that make sense?
Wait.
I'd be my own friend.
Yes.
Yeah, you'd be your own friend.
Tatiana, you're confusing me.
No, no, I get
SPEAKER_00 (15:57):
it.
I'm
SPEAKER_01 (15:58):
just messing with you.
Oh, do you get it?
Yeah.
I get it.
I'd be my own friend to likedirect me.
Does that make sense?
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I wouldn't change myexperiences
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and the things that you've gone through and stuff
like that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I feel that.
Yeah, I don't think I wouldeither, honestly.
Everything happens for a reason.
You have to go through certainthings to learn the next thing.
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Exactly.
Now, what I've learned.
Ciao.
SPEAKER_00 (16:19):
What have you learned?
SPEAKER_01 (16:20):
Give us something.
Damn.
SPEAKER_00 (16:26):
I have learned that...
What's one thing that you couldshare with our guests that
you've learned?
It's
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never that serious.
SPEAKER_00 (16:33):
It's never that serious?
It's
SPEAKER_01 (16:33):
never that serious, honestly.
In the moment you might thinkyou're dying.
Oh my
SPEAKER_00 (16:37):
God, I can't breathe.
It's never that serious.
SPEAKER_01 (16:38):
It's never that serious.
Yeah.
It's never that serious.
Honestly, like it's not life anddeath.
Your family's healthy.
Your friends are healthy.
That situation is never thatserious.
I agree.
And you always get better andyou always do better.
SPEAKER_00 (16:52):
Yeah.
And the sooner you realize it'snever that serious is the sooner
it gets unserious.
SPEAKER_01 (16:57):
Or like bad always has to happen for good to come.
Like it's kind of balanced.
It's kind of like how it'sraining right now, but the sun's
going to come out.
Exactly.
So, When bad things happen inlife, just be like, okay, I'm
going to take the punches, but
SPEAKER_00 (17:09):
time to sign up.
It gives you appreciation.
If it never rains, we wouldn'tappreciate the sun.
Clock it.
I feel like every fashion weekyou make headlines, you're
always the most beautiful girlin the world, as far as I can
see.
This past Paris Fashion Week,you went viral for your skin and
your body.
And my abs.
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And your abs.
Yes.
So first of all, give us thebody routine.
I contoured my abs that day.
You contoured
SPEAKER_01 (17:44):
your...
Okay, no, but for real, but forreal.
Seriously.
So that Casablanca show, I didnot eat the whole morning.
I was on water till the time Ifinished the show.
And I thought, hmm, how can I,you know...
define my abs a little bit.
So I got that Fenty contourstick and I contoured.
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But you know, contour onlydefines what's already there.
Exactly,
SPEAKER_00 (18:11):
yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (18:13):
Clock it.
SPEAKER_00 (18:13):
Clock that.
That's hilarious.
But that's funny.
Exclusive, exclusive.
Exclusive behind the scenes.
And what did you use on yourskin that day?
SPEAKER_01 (18:22):
So for my, it was a mixture.
I used Skin Butter.
I use skin butter when I comeout of the shower anyways,
regardless.
This is not a paid ad.
It's not
SPEAKER_00 (18:32):
paid.
Do not invoice me, boo.
SPEAKER_01 (18:35):
And then I used some shimmer and some contour.
Absolutely.
Oh,
SPEAKER_00 (18:43):
cute.
Cute.
Cute.
I love it.
There we go.
We have the routine.
So contour the abs.
SPEAKER_01 (18:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (18:50):
Skin butter on the back.
No,
SPEAKER_01 (18:51):
no.
Skin butter first.
Skin butter first.
Oil.
Contour.
And then setting spray.
SPEAKER_00 (19:02):
Setting spray.
Setting spray.
That's a new one.
The Patrick Powell one?
Mm-hmm.
Ooh.
Wow.
You just gave us the recipe.
Yeah,
SPEAKER_01 (19:09):
that's how
SPEAKER_00 (19:09):
the glow stays.
So if you see men walking aroundwith...
Yeah, that's that Eva motion.
Don't forget the setting spray,ladies.
What's your favorite FashionWeek memory?
SPEAKER_01 (19:20):
My favorite Fashion Week memory was...
I would say...
going to my first Louis Vuittonshow.
And it was the first time Virgilwas showing his first show.
SPEAKER_00 (19:34):
Fire.
What did you wear?
SPEAKER_01 (19:35):
No, it wasn't his first show.
Yes, it was his first
SPEAKER_00 (19:37):
show.
Is that the one where you havethe picture with Pop Smoke?
Yeah.
In the
SPEAKER_01 (19:40):
blue?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (19:41):
See, wow.
SPEAKER_01 (19:43):
Research.
Wow.
Or do you just remember itbecause you love me?
I just remember it because itwas cute.
Yeah.
It was a good show.
That's fire.
SPEAKER_00 (19:49):
And that was your first Louis Vuitton show?
SPEAKER_01 (19:51):
First.
And the craziest thing is theydidn't invite me.
SPEAKER_00 (19:53):
I wasn't
SPEAKER_01 (19:54):
invited.
Like, craziest thing is, I wasmy friend's past one.
I was sat in second row.
I was just like, okay, my outfitwas not Louis Vuitton.
People thought it was.
It wasn't.
I had this vintage Louis Vuittonpadlock necklace.
I was like, yeah.
They hadn't invited me.
I was just there for that.
SPEAKER_00 (20:10):
They haven't invited you since?
Sometimes you gotta kick in thedoor.
Or pick it till you make it.
No, that's what a lot of peopleprobably don't realize.
And that kind of goes back toyour note of not having a goal
or looking back and forthbecause someone else can look at
you.
SPEAKER_01 (20:27):
I expect them to invite me.
SPEAKER_00 (20:29):
Yeah.
Yeah.
You have to sometimes just knowwhat you want to do and know
like your lane and know who youwant to be.
But at the same time, you can'tcompare it to anyone else
because a girl could be lookingat you like,
SPEAKER_01 (20:40):
dang
SPEAKER_00 (20:40):
it.
SPEAKER_01 (20:40):
She went to the Louis Vuitton show.
I'm like, girl, I didn't getinvited.
I just
SPEAKER_00 (20:44):
got
SPEAKER_01 (20:44):
it.
That was someone else's invite.
I was the plus one.
SPEAKER_00 (20:47):
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (20:47):
That's fine.
It's just about perception, Iguess.
SPEAKER_00 (20:49):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (20:50):
Yeah.
I was posting.
I was on the runway posting.
Like, damn.
SPEAKER_00 (20:54):
I love it.
Love it.
That's another exclusive.
Exclusive.
How has your faith shaped theway you move throughout your
career and your life, do youthink?
SPEAKER_01 (21:04):
I think my faith has helped me a lot in regards to
like my mental stability.
Because sometimes, as I say, Iget overstimulated.
Sometimes things can come toomuch and I'm just like, ugh,
that's too much.
Too much is going on.
there's too much motion in theocean no but seriously it keeps
me grounded it keeps me umstable it keeps me it helps me
(21:29):
have the ability to be like noand yes because obviously I have
my morals and have things that Istand by and then things I'm
like um no I don't want to dothat yes I'll do that and I feel
like that also helps me in theindustry because I feel like you
can get lost
SPEAKER_00 (21:43):
yeah
SPEAKER_01 (21:44):
with saying yes to certain things and doing certain
things.
And if you live by a certain,like, if you live a certain way
and know certain things, there'scertain things you wouldn't be
wanting to do.
Does that make sense?
I guess it helps me feel as iflike there's someone there all
the time.
Like, yes, I have my friends.
(22:04):
Yes, I have my family, butthey're not available 24 seven.
You know, like if I need you inthat moment, They could be,
their life happens too.
Like I wouldn't expect myfriends to be there for me 24
seven.
I know they're there for me 24seven, but for instance, you
have a child or like my otherfriends work a nine to five.
So, you know, but if I pray, I'mlike, okay, I know there's
(22:25):
someone there for me 24 seven,whenever I need them on speed
dial and they're going to makeit happen.
Amen.
Love that.
Oh man.
Maybe I should start a podcast.
Hey guys.
SPEAKER_00 (22:40):
I just love your accent.
It's so fun.
SPEAKER_01 (22:42):
Tatiana told someone else from Detroit the other day.
She won't let that go.
It's
SPEAKER_00 (22:47):
just
SPEAKER_01 (22:47):
a
SPEAKER_00 (22:47):
small
SPEAKER_01 (22:47):
little joke.
So in America, what really goesfor me sometimes is my British
accent.
Yeah.
She
SPEAKER_00 (22:53):
turns it on.
She's been here since she was17.
Tatiana says I turn it
SPEAKER_01 (22:56):
on.
I don't turn it on.
But sometimes I heighten myaccent.
British ability.
I'd be like, hi, my name's Eva.
I'm from London.
If I want to really stretch itand we're somewhere, I'd be
like, yeah, it's my first timein New York.
She'd be like...
She's
SPEAKER_00 (23:11):
been in New York 20 million times and she'll say
that and I'm looking like...
SPEAKER_01 (23:15):
I'm like, it's my first time.
They'd be like, oh my gosh, wehave discount.
SPEAKER_00 (23:18):
So to humble her, I told someone she was from
Detroit, just as a joke.
SPEAKER_01 (23:21):
I'm here speaking, he's like, where are y'all from?
Oh, she was like, I'm from NewYork.
She's from Detroit.
I said, what?
So now this person is thinking Iwas faking my British accent the
whole time.
So said, so done.
I think I'm a liar out there.
SPEAKER_00 (23:35):
What's something that you've had to unlearn
recently that's changed yourperspective?
SPEAKER_01 (23:43):
I have had to learn very hardly that you shouldn't
expect people to accept that'show I am.
Does that make sense?
Like if you do something andthen someone said they don't
like it and you say, that's justhow I am.
You can't do that.
Especially if you care about aperson, your friend, your
boyfriend, your family.
That's not how you are.
If someone is saying they don'tlike a certain way you've acted,
(24:05):
I'm sorry, I'll do better.
Not just, that's how I am andyou have to put up with it.
SPEAKER_00 (24:08):
Yeah, I feel
SPEAKER_01 (24:10):
that.
They don't.
SPEAKER_00 (24:10):
You were very much, that's how I am, huh?
Yeah.
Take it or leave it.
SPEAKER_01 (24:13):
Yeah, I was very much, take it or leave it.
And then it's like, I wouldexpect people to stay and then
when they leave, I'd be like...
You left?
Oh my gosh.
How dare you?
But it's like, they had theirboundaries.
They had their morals.
And it's like, are you upsetwith the situation?
I wouldn't expect that fromsomeone that I care about.
And I'm like, you know what?
You're right.
(24:34):
I will do better.
Not just, that's how I am.
SPEAKER_00 (24:36):
Yeah.
That's good.
That's
SPEAKER_01 (24:38):
grown.
I'm growing
SPEAKER_00 (24:39):
up, guys.
She's growing up, guys.
That's beautiful.
You're going to be 25.
Hold it.
This is baby sis right here.
Not too much.
So when did you cut your hairoff?
Because...
I cut my hair when
SPEAKER_01 (24:54):
I was 16.
SPEAKER_00 (24:54):
When you were 16?
Mm-hmm.
You had a shortcut when I met...
Oh, yeah.
Oh, so we actually, we metthrough Brianna.
You're like the third personI've had on my podcast that I've
met through Brianna.
I have to have Brianna on.
SPEAKER_01 (25:05):
Yeah, you have to.
SPEAKER_00 (25:06):
Because that's crazy.
SPEAKER_01 (25:07):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (25:07):
That's crazy.
Shout out to you, Bri.
Shout out to you, Bri.
Matt Brand.
We met at a Matt Brand shoot.
Mm-hmm.
You had a long wig, right?
SPEAKER_01 (25:14):
No, I didn't have a wig then.
You
SPEAKER_00 (25:16):
didn't have a wig?
No, I had short hair.
I had on a wig.
You
SPEAKER_01 (25:18):
had on a wig.
You always have a wig.
SPEAKER_00 (25:20):
I had a wig at the back time.
That's crazy.
SPEAKER_01 (25:24):
Yeah, I had short hair.
SPEAKER_00 (25:27):
Yeah.
Yeah, and I was by
SPEAKER_01 (25:29):
myself.
I came to New York from Phillyand she wanted to shoot.
I was like, okay, what was Idoing there?
What was I doing
SPEAKER_00 (25:37):
there?
What were you doing?
I was just
SPEAKER_01 (25:38):
doing anything.
SPEAKER_00 (25:39):
What were you doing in Philly?
SPEAKER_01 (25:40):
My dad's mom lives in Philly.
So my dad's African American,basically.
So I've been coming to, from 17,I was coming to just see my
family.
And then it became I'm coming tosee my friends.
Then it became I'm coming towork.
SPEAKER_00 (25:53):
Got it.
So you're from Philly a littlebit.
Say Philly.
Is that a joke?
Okay, I would have said Philly.
Yes.
We out here.
You're from Philly.
Yeah.
What do they call people fromPhilly?
I don't know.
I don't know.
So it's such a demanding life.
You travel so much.
How do you pour into yourselfand take time mentally,
physically, emotionally?
SPEAKER_01 (26:14):
It depends where I am.
If I'm in London, if I'm home, Isee my friends.
Even actually, no, wherever I goand I have friends in the city,
I'll see my friends.
Yeah,
SPEAKER_00 (26:22):
you have friends everywhere.
SPEAKER_01 (26:24):
Yeah, I'll see my friends.
That pours a lot into me becauseI love my friends daily.
I'll do anything for them.
I work out.
I go to the gym.
I pray.
I feel like that helps.
And I book a massage the firsttime.
Let's get into the real thing.
Book a massage.
(26:45):
To be honest, I only starteddoing that recently.
When I travel, I'll book amassage or try something new in
the city that I'm in.
Usually, I'll just go straightto bed.
I go to the beach.
I run into the ocean.
Me and Tatiana did that theother day.
We ran into the ocean.
It was such a fun moment.
It was so
SPEAKER_00 (27:01):
cute.
I love us because I feel like weact like big kids.
SPEAKER_01 (27:05):
No, that's not what happens Tatiana, no.
Tatiana triggers me to do stuff.
So she will just be walkingnormally.
And she'll be like, let's race.
I'm like, oh, okay.
And I'm with it.
I feel like you did it the firsttime.
No, no, Tatiana.
I said, Tatiana, let's go to theocean.
Let's take a sweet walk.
You did not say that.
(27:26):
Yes, I did.
You started running, Eva.
No, Tatiana, you said, let'srace.
Yeah, she said, let's race.
She said, fast, let's race.
And then we run into the ocean.
And then they say, she's like,I'll be late.
I bet you won't go.
I said, bet me that I won't go.
I bet you won't go.
And then I'll get up and I'mready and I'm going.
(27:46):
She just triggers me in the bestway.
SPEAKER_00 (27:49):
And I think that you match the energy.
That's why I trigger you.
SPEAKER_01 (27:51):
Yeah, I'll be at home in London.
She's like, I think we should dothis and go here.
I said, okay,
SPEAKER_00 (27:57):
I'll book my flight right now.
So what does softness look liketo you on a daily basis?
Soft life?
Softness, soft life, whateveryou use.
Okay,
SPEAKER_01 (28:06):
this is where I
SPEAKER_00 (28:08):
thrive.
Thrive, huh?
To me,
SPEAKER_01 (28:11):
soft life is not worrying about anything.
Like, I give myself a soft life,so I expect a soft life, you
know?
So it could be waking up in themorning and I make myself
breakfast.
I get up, I don't feel like I'min a rush.
No one's rushing me.
You're just eased.
You're just eased, you know?
SPEAKER_00 (28:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (28:31):
Like, I ordered myself an Uber.
Like, you know?
Stuff that...
Because sometimes...
SPEAKER_00 (28:38):
Wait, what do you mean you order yourself an Uber?
Like,
SPEAKER_01 (28:40):
I am blessed enough to order myself an Uber.
Some people have to walk to thebus stop.
SPEAKER_00 (28:44):
Oh, true, true.
Do you get what I mean?
Okay, no, you're being supergrateful.
Okay, I didn't get that.
I was confused.
I'm like, you order yourself anUber?
SPEAKER_01 (28:49):
No, but do you get what I mean?
Like,
SPEAKER_00 (28:51):
just stuff like that.
Like, instead of driving orhaving to walk.
SPEAKER_01 (28:54):
Yes.
Self-life would be coming home,having a slow night, doing my
skincare.
Yeah.
Like...
putting my tea bed aside,watching my movie.
But I hate when people just comeand just rattle everything.
And I feel like I'm
SPEAKER_00 (29:10):
rushed.
I'm like...
Yeah, I hate being rushed.
I hate being rushed.
If I have to rush, I don't wantto go anymore.
SPEAKER_01 (29:15):
But Tatiana takes her time.
Tatiana will still be gettingready.
I'm at the door.
Sometimes I have to stand by thedoor and be like, Tatiana, I'm
at the door.
She'll be like, I'm coming, I'mcoming.
SPEAKER_00 (29:23):
No, but what Eva does...
First of all, your hair'salready done.
So that's like first andforemost.
And then what Eva does, you dothis thing where...
She just leaves the bathroom.
She doesn't say, I'm finished.
She doesn't say, okay, let's goat this time.
You just will leave thebathroom.
And the way that I know that Evais ready is I will just hear
different TikToks.
(29:45):
Don't call me that.
She's calling her son, Eva.
I'm like, Eva, are you ready?
You've never said anything.
So her life is so soft thatshe's so soft spoken that you
just don't speak.
You don't use your words.
Because how am I supposed toknow?
Now a half hour has gone pastand you've been sitting in the
bed.
But dinner's at 10.45.
Tatiana knows dinner's at
SPEAKER_01 (30:05):
10.45.
Tatiana starts doing her makeupat 10.30.
I'm going to leave the house.
Me, I've already started mymakeup at 10.20.
Tatiana, 10.30, she's startingher makeup.
So five minutes later.
And then makeup, and then shehas to do her hair.
Then she has to get her outfit.
Then she has to make her bodyglow.
And then she has to take herpictures before she leaves.
No, no, no.
That's five things.
SPEAKER_00 (30:26):
Eva, I have not taken any pictures.
Okay, so out of that, actually,who do you think is worse?
Who takes more pictures?
That of me and you.
I think it's the same.
I think it's the same.
But I think that we...
So what are we trying to getwith that?
I don't know.
I want to see if you're going tosay me.
No, it's the
SPEAKER_01 (30:40):
same.
But we're the sort of people, ifit's not like work, we don't
have to.
Yeah, like we'll be like, oh,here, just get a quick pic.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's what I love about you.
It's not like too much.
SPEAKER_00 (30:50):
Welcome back.
We just took a short commercial
SPEAKER_01 (30:53):
break.
SPEAKER_00 (30:54):
This
SPEAKER_01 (30:55):
isn't ASMR.
Go Tatiana.
ASMR, you mean?
What?
This isn't ASMR.
Yes.
Just feel relaxed as you hearour voice.
SPEAKER_00 (31:04):
Your voice is not relaxing.
It is actually.
UNKNOWN (31:08):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (31:09):
Tatiana, do the voice that you ask.
When you want something, do thevoice.
SPEAKER_00 (31:12):
What?
SPEAKER_01 (31:14):
Say you want a new...
Say you want me to go pick upthat box over there.
SPEAKER_00 (31:21):
Eva mistakes manners just for me acting different.
SPEAKER_01 (31:25):
Tatiana, do the voice.
I said, Eva...
No, Tatiana, do the voice.
SPEAKER_00 (31:29):
Eva, please.
Please, could you do this forme, please?
SPEAKER_01 (31:32):
That's not the voice, Tatiana.
SPEAKER_00 (31:33):
I don't know how to do it unless I need to do it.
SPEAKER_01 (31:35):
Okay, do the eyes.
The eyes have to do the voice.
SPEAKER_00 (31:38):
Go ahead.
So you think I'm a manipulator?
No,
SPEAKER_01 (31:42):
you just know how to use your looks and your voice
for something that you want.
Wow.
Don't worry, I do too.
SPEAKER_00 (31:48):
Exactly.
No, Eva, you are, like, you'recrazy.
The way you do it, you're funny.
Like, you should be an actress.
Have you started, have youthought about acting?
SPEAKER_01 (31:57):
Yeah, but it's so much work.
I feel like the goal in my lifeis to stop working.
I don't want to give myself morework.
So, I mean, like, if I'm notalready doing it now, like, I
don't know, in something I'malready doing now, to start
something new.
I
SPEAKER_00 (32:10):
feel that.
Especially, I think acting isalso just super political.
And
SPEAKER_01 (32:13):
also similar to modern art, doing auditions and
castings, like, I know how hardit is to, like, break through in
something
SPEAKER_00 (32:19):
I can't.
I don't want to break anythingelse.
SPEAKER_01 (32:21):
I'm good, y'all.
I can't lie.
SPEAKER_00 (32:25):
It's enough on my plate.
I know I wanted to eat.
I'm
SPEAKER_01 (32:27):
just waiting to get married.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (32:30):
And, yeah.
Speaking of that, so, what doyou see, like, what do you see
yourself in five years?
Do you see yourself married infive years with kids in five
years?
Because I feel like when I wasyour age, like, oh, by 30, I
want to be married with kids.
Like, do you want to be married?
SPEAKER_01 (32:43):
I want to be married, yes.
I feel like that would...
balance me out so much I want tohave kids but God willing you
know my time is not his time butmy time is definitely I know
when I'm going to get marriedand if the man comes in my life
at a certain point or someoneelse comes at a certain point
and like you know what am Iright now like let's go
SPEAKER_00 (33:06):
She has a Pinterest board and everything already of
her wedding.
No,
SPEAKER_01 (33:09):
seriously, I have a Pinterest board of my wedding
ring.
I have a Pinterest board of mywedding.
I have a Pinterest board of mybachelorette.
I have a Pinterest board of myengagement party.
I have a Pinterest board of mywhole entire wedding.
I have a Pinterest board of mydream home.
The Bible says, plan to fail,fail to plan.
SPEAKER_00 (33:26):
What is your relationship with beauty and
skincare?
I feel like everyone looks toyou on top of fashion.
You're just such a...
I don't wash my
SPEAKER_01 (33:31):
face every night.
That can be so serious withthat.
Yes, finish your question.
Sorry, I cut you off.
Do you
SPEAKER_00 (33:41):
wash your face?
I
SPEAKER_01 (33:42):
wash my face every night,
SPEAKER_00 (33:43):
yeah.
What are your five go-to beautyproducts?
Top five.
SPEAKER_01 (33:48):
Top five?
Top five.
I need a good serum.
A good face cream.
Name them.
Damn.
Okay.
Most of everything I'm using isface.
Okay.
On my actual body.
Skin butter, I promise it's notan ad.
Like literally, because wedon't...
(34:09):
Do you ship to London?
I do.
Oh, I thought she didn't.
So I had to take my best friend,her own tub.
That tub finished.
And she has begged me ever sinceto bring another tub.
I keep forgetting.
It's serious.
So, and the exfoliator.
I use that in the shower.
But I don't use it every day.
I use it like twice a week.
(34:29):
She's never told me this.
I promise this is not an ad.
And then I use skin butter, andthen I use Vaseline, the gel
one, right?
And then I let my butt, like,air dry.
SPEAKER_00 (34:41):
Gotta let it marinate.
Yeah, air dry.
SPEAKER_01 (34:43):
And then I'll use all my body glow stuff.
On my face, I use Rode SkinCream.
SPEAKER_00 (34:48):
I actually really like Rode.
SPEAKER_01 (34:49):
Yeah, I use the Rode, like, three of them.
If I want something light andhydrating on my skin, I use
Rode.
If I want something heavy, I'lluse, like, a La Mer or August,
August something.
SPEAKER_00 (34:58):
Augustine Bake.
Augustine, the blue one.
Yes, I'll use that,
SPEAKER_01 (35:01):
like the heavy cream.
I have like loads of differentthings and I cater to what my
skin wants in the exact moment.
So I couldn't give you the exactproduct for my body.
That's why I use.
SPEAKER_00 (35:10):
Boom, bam.
Thank you, ma'am.
Love it.
So what makes you feel justcozy?
Like what grounds you?
What makes you feel like you'rewithin yourself, grounded, Eva
at 100%?
Where
SPEAKER_01 (35:23):
am I?
Give me a setting.
Am
SPEAKER_00 (35:25):
I a home?
Can it be anywhere?
No matter where you are in theworld, what makes you feel cozy?
SPEAKER_01 (35:32):
My bed.
SPEAKER_00 (35:33):
Your bed?
SPEAKER_01 (35:34):
My bed.
SPEAKER_00 (35:35):
Home in your bed.
SPEAKER_01 (35:36):
Or in a hotel bed.
Yeah.
Just in a bed.
Bed.
Just a bed.
Any bed.
And like an oversized hoodie.
A good oversized hoodie.
Like clean, fresh, clean body,fresh, clean skin and bed.
Yes.
See, I love a robe.
I love a robe.
Tatiana lives in a robe.
Tatiana, she got to share arobe.
(35:58):
Wake up in the morning, robe.
SPEAKER_00 (35:59):
I'm like, dang, girl.
Yeah, I love a robe.
At home, I love a robe.
Yeah.
If we were not in Miami rightnow, now is the time where I
would give you your gift, whichwould be a skin butter and a
robe, but I'll ship it to you.
Oh, thank you.
SPEAKER_01 (36:11):
Just one tub?
SPEAKER_00 (36:12):
I'll send you multiple.
Thank you so much.
God bless you.
Of course.
God will bless you too.
Thank you.
Amen.
Amen.
Inshallah.
But thank you so much for comingon a cozy space with me, Tatiana
Elizabeth.
SPEAKER_01 (36:26):
And me, Evapio.
Thank you guys for watching.
SPEAKER_00 (36:29):
Thank you guys for watching.
Love you guys.
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Welcome back to A Cozy Space with me, Tatiana
Elizabeth.
Today I have the beautiful,talented, and multidimensional
Eva Apio here.
My good friends, my girl, and itgirl that you guys know and
love,
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Eva Apio.
Hi guys.
What does multidimensional mean?
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Multidimensional means that you do a lot of
things really well.
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Ah, okay.
Yeah.
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So, Eva and I are here in Miami.
We are shooting...
from the comfort of our hotelroom.
I flew down to Miami to see Evabecause she just was requesting
my presence.
And she's obsessed.
She asked to
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come see
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me.
She's obsessed with
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me.
She FaceTimed me and told meshe's coming.
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Eva is like that annoying little sister that I'm
happy I have.
So I just love you so much.
And thank you for coming on thepod.
Let's just start talking aboutmodeling your career.
What drew you to modeling?
What made you get started inmodeling?
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I actually didn't want to be a model.
Fun fact.
I wanted to be...
physio and save lives and likekill people and you know she was
just so pretty right no no butthen my dad was like you know
what I think you should do thisyour mom's done it why don't you
try it and I was like I don'tknow I have things to do so then
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he wrote down all the agenciesin London drove me around London
and until one signed me
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wow and how old were you I
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was like 17
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That's crazy, guys.
I met you when you were 17 yearsold in New York.
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I'm 25 this
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year.
And you're 25.
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Big woman age.
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Oh, please.
But that's so interesting.
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Grand woman.
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That's so interesting that it's actually
your dad and your parents thatgot you into it.
Yeah, because it's
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usually the opposite.
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It's usually the opposite.
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Yeah.
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That's so crazy.
And you were 17 years old.
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I was 17 years
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old.
So when's the first time youcame to America by yourself?
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18 years old.
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No.
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As you know, 17.
Yeah, 17.
Yeah, 17, yeah.
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Wow.
That's crazy.
Do you remember your first job?
Your first modeling job?
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My first modeling job?
I think it was like ASOS, butfor feet.
You know when you have to do thefeet part?
Yeah.
Like the heels.
Yeah.
No, not the jeans.
Yeah, just the shoes and thehands, like the rings, the
earrings.
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And you worked your way up?
And
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they paid me like, I think it was like 900 a day.
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That's not bad.
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That's not bad.
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Back then for hands and feet.
And you didn't have to putmakeup on.
Didn't have to.
No, they
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do glam.
They do your glam becauseobviously of the earrings.
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Oh, dang.
That's crazy.
And then you worked your way up.
Oh, that face.
We need the face.
That's wild.
In a world that tries to moldpeople into like what they want
it to be.
How do you think that you'vemaintained your authenticity?
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Personally, I feel as if.
Because I wasn't.
born in like Europe.
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Where were you born?
I
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was born in Uganda.
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Yeah.
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So I think I have like a, like I hold onto my
roots.
Does that make sense?
Like I know where I'm comingfrom.
I know I have my, like my goalin my view.
And obviously like I'm notsaying I wouldn't get swayed
left or right sometimes, butit's like, okay, just like, ooh.
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And then I'm like still stuck inthe middle and still going to
where I'm meant to go.
I'd say my friends, my family.
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Keep you grounded.
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They keep me grounded.
They check on, well, they don'tcheck on me.
They check me.
Like Eva, not too much now.
Yeah.
I think I have like a goodsupport system.
Yeah.
Yeah,
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your mom is really sweet.
I feel like anytime I'm aroundyou, your mom calls and checks
in on you and she's praying foryou.
And, you know, it's so cute.
It's good to see.
I love it.
How important is femalefriendship to you?
Would you consider yourself agirl's girl?
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Me?
Would you consider me a girl'sgirl?
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I would, of course, consider you a girl's girl.
Why
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are you laughing?
Why are you saying that?
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Because you are a girl's girl.
You're so fun.
You're so funny.
I think that you are big Leoenergy.
So...
Don't look down.
You are.
You have big Leo energy.
And I feel like you naturallydraw people to you.
And I feel like with great powercomes responsibility.
And you can always tell theultimate girl's girl when all
eyes are on you.
But you still make sure that thepeople around you are taken care
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of and feel just as valued asyou feel.
And I think that that is theultimate level of girl's girl.
Because a lot of people couldtake that and keep it on them.
You like to give everybody theirthings.
Oh, you want more compliments?
Keep on
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coming.
No, I would say I'm a girl'sgirl.
Like, me and Tatiana will gosomewhere and females won't say,
I'll be like, Tatiana, is itnormal?
She'll be like, Americans.
I'm like, Tatiana, let me justsay hi.
She's like, even they don't sayhi to us.
Let me say hi.
But then it's like, some girlsjust have an attitude for no
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reason.
I'm just like, why but I guessas you said like our personality
is like overwhelming but it'slike we're all friends we
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are fair let's just have fun let's just be nice
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honestly like it's especially if you go out with
your friends you just want tohave fun and just no one has
energy to like Just be badvibes.
Some people are just bad vibes.
Like
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why?
Why did you even leave yourhouse to be bad vibes?
I don't get
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it.
And now all of a sudden when youstart drinking, that's when
you're good vibes.
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Yeah, no, I don't like that.
But even yesterday we had awaitress at a restaurant.
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Yeah.
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And she was so sweet.
Her energy was just so happy andso pure.
And that just, that can makesomebody's day.
The
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first person who sat at our table, she was just like.
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Stink and nasty.
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I was like, okay.
Like I get, okay, it's a hardday at work, but.
Dang.
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Yeah.
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Then the next one she was like, hi guys, welcome.
And I was like, okay, now I wantto enjoy
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my food.
Now I want to eat.
Now I want to tip you.
Now I want to enjoy myself.
No, definitely.
I think that it's so importantto just live life with good
energy and just be happy andfun.
Even, you know, fake it till youmake it.
I do
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have those moments where I have to fake it.
I tend to be like, Yvonne.
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Fix your face.
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Fix your face.
Sure, fix your face.
Yeah,
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because it can be valid sometimes.
I guess you never know whatpeople are going through.
But I feel like...
If you're out and in public, Ithink that's just a part of like
having couth, like having likejust good manners.
It's just presenting yourselfrespectfully and nicely.
You
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know a lot of big words.
Couth.
Girl.
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What does that
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mean?
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Says the girl from England.
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It doesn't mean a midget.
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C-O-U-T-H.
Nicki Minaj taught me what couthwas.
I had to Google it after I sawit on the song.
I said, wait, let me Google thisone.
You're not going to catch meslipping.
What's something in your lifethat a woman has taught you that
you would never forget or thatyou hold near and dear?
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Something that a woman has taught me that I'll
never forget.
Oh, one thing my mom alwaystells me, she's like, and I
actually pass it along to a fewof my friends.
She's always said to me,whatever you're going through,
make sure your nails are done.
was a fact because you can knowi'm going through something if
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my nails are not done likereally yes tatiana and you know
that because you don't have timeto go do your nails now right
now they're not done
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this is not bad i'm talking about like like nails
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off and it's just my natural like uh
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for me i think i think it's my hair like if my
hair isn't done
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because i can wrap it up i wear a hat
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yeah true
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but like
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My nails?
Not
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even a little polish, not even a little
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clip or
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file or cut.
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But that's crazy.
Yes,
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then you're going through it.
Another one is, what else shouldyou say to me?
You'd always know a good man bythe way he treats his mom.
If they have a good relationshipwith their mother.
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Like
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a healthy relationship
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with their mother.
Yeah, I agree with that.
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You'll know if they're family orientated.
Oh, big words.
Clack it.
By how they maneuver with theirfamily.
Obviously, like, not allfamilies are, like, integrated.
I get it.
But how, like, their perspectiveon it and, like, you know, not
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like...
Oh, forget them.
What do you mean forget them?
Wait, hold on.
Who's your family?
They're dead to me.
What
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do you mean?
Everybody?
They could be dead to you.
I could be dead to you.
I'm very disposable.
Every single
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person in your family is dead to you?
Dang.
Yeah, no, I agree.
Also, I get it.
Things do happen.
But obviously, if they have adifferent perception, like, oh,
I want to work out one day and,you know.
Another
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one.
Ooh, you're driving Jim's today.
Bow, bow, bow.
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Another one.
Thank you.
Another one.
Thank you.
What would another one be?
I would say never go to bedangry.
That's a good one my mom tellsme.
Like if you've had an argumentwith someone, sort it out that
day.
Or like go for a walk.
Before you go to bed, you haveto sort it out, Tatiana.
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I don't go to bed angry, babe.
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Oh, okay.
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Because you look to the side, you're like...
I don't go to bed angry.
I don't like being angry at all,to be honest.
No, you don't,
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actually.
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Yeah, you have to get me to the point.
to want to be angry.
Not even
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angry.
Okay.
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Sad or upset.
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Yeah.
Don't go to bed upset.
Or don't allow someone else togo to bed upset because then now
they're going to wake up in themorning and their whole like
intention of the day are like,
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damn.
Yeah.
I think that that's a big redflag like with people.
Like I don't like people whowant, who don't care to mend
things.
Like someone who doesn't havethe consideration to not want
you to go to bed angry or whodoesn't care to like squash
things or level it out.
You
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never know what could happen.
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And
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now the last thing was, I made that person angry.
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Yeah, no, for sure.
I agree.
I agree.
Those are good ones.
See your mom beginning youtogether, huh?
Because those are all from yourmom.
Shout out to her.
Oh my goodness.
So how do you deal with that?
How do you cope with that?
I feel like you travel so much.
You're away from your family somuch.
How do you find the balance?
in being away from your family?
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I think I get overstimulated really quickly.
I don't know why.
I don't know why it is.
I get overstimulated reallyquickly.
So I think me traveling keeps ahealthy balance between my
friends, a healthy balancebetween my family because I was
at home I'll see everyone forlike a good week and then I'll
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stay in my house for a good weekand then everyone will take it
so personally you know like danglike Eva you haven't seen us are
you okay yeah like do you hateme you haven't spoken to me in
like a week I'm like I just needsome time um my friends and my
family are very like hands-onthey'll call me like Eva how are
you or I'll call them or likeI'll post something and be like
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sometimes like my best friendHayley she won't messaged me for
two days, but she, then threedays I haven't posted anything.
She'd be like, okay, postsomething.
I need to know you're alive.
Yeah.
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Like now, where are you?
Yeah.
It's like,
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send me a voice note.
No, she would literally say,send me a voice note.
I want to hear your voice andhear that you're okay.
That's good.
That's sweet.
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Yeah.
Oh, shout out to Haley.
So through modeling, did youever think that you would become
this big?
Did you ever see yourself?
I ain't big yet.
You are big.
Not yet.
You're the biggest.
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Not yet.
Not
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yet.
So how did you foresee yourcareer?
Were you just rolling with it?
Did you have a plan?
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Honestly, people are going to think I'm so crazy for
this, but I don't have a planfor my career.
People are going to think I'm socrazy for that.
But for me anyways, noexpectations means no
disappointments.
So rather than setting a finalgoal, like in life, my actual
final goal is in regards of likemaking sure my family's good and
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making sure I'm good.
That could be mainly financiallyor like emotionally, like in any
way.
So that's my, that's thehindsight goal for me.
Not necessarily like have thebiggest house, not necessarily
have the best career, notnecessarily have, you know, the
best bag and all these things.
But I never had like, I want tobe this big model.
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I want to be this and this andthat.
And I think that's kind of whathelped me because if I had like,
So I concentrate on my littlegoals.
I'd be like, okay, this month Iwant to have five jobs.
Okay, five jobs, check.
Rather than like, oh my gosh, Ihaven't got five jobs.
Oh my God, I want to be thebiggest model.
Oh my gosh, I want to be thebiggest.
And it kind of like sets youback in a way, like mentally.
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So no, I've never actually like,I don't have like...
Same.
I
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feel like I just roll with it.
I accept the blessings.
I do the best that I can.
And I move through life just...
happy and thankful and I havegratitude.
And I feel like that's where alot of people mess up because
they're comparing and looking tothe left and looking to the
right.
It's like when you're on yourown path.
You know what works for you.
You know what works for you andyou know that you're always
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going to have abundance in yourpath.
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And I get, again, I get obviously very quickly.
If I'm like, I'm going to be thebiggest model and someone said
no to me, I'll just be like, youknow what?
I don't want to do this anyway.
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You're going to go back and be a doctor.
I'm like, yeah, I don't want todo this anyway.
So do you think you would evergo back to be a doctor?
Yes, I want to.
Yeah?
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Yeah.
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You want to?
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Yeah.
But it means I have to finishschool.
Dang.
Dang.
But you can start now,
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though.
Dang.
What kind of doctor would yoube?
I
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want to be a physio, but my dad's like, oh, you just
want to rub on...
Huh?
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What's a physio?
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A physiotherapist.
Like, if you...
I want to be a sportphysiotherapist.
So it means, like...
No, Tatiana.
If, you know...
No, seriously, be serious.
So basically, I personally, I'minterested in how, I'm
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interested in how, ow, it's hot.
I'm interested as to how, like,the body works to bring itself
back after injury.
I find it so interesting,especially in sports that you
can wear and tear your musclesand stuff and it gets fixed up
right back.
I find that so interesting.
So I was like, you know what?
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I want to help athletes.
When I told that to my dad, mydad was like, so you just want
to rub on strong men I said no Igenuinely want to help athletes
yeah but then he was like it'skind of like a closed market
unless you work for actual clubor a team or something and I was
like
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you're that smart
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so I'm going to open my own clinic one day god
willing
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amen yeah
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amen that's cool
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yeah well I mean I could I feel like everyone could
use physical therapy at thispoint exactly yeah everyone can
use physical therapy
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yeah
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Okay, so you have been modeling and in the game
and just in the mix for a while.
I know,
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people think I'm a lot older than
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I actually am.
Yeah.
Going back to, I literally metyou when you were 17.
Okay, not too much.
And I'm like, why is this girl?
We're your parents, you're 17.
What's happening?
But if you could speak to thatyounger version of yourself
right now, what would you tellher?
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You're doing good, kid.
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Yeah.
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You're doing good, kid.
I don't think I would changeanything.
Because have you ever watched amovie, Butterfly Effect?
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I've heard of it, but I've never heard
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of it.
So it's like, this guy alwaysgoes back to try to change
something and it always changessomething in the future.
In the future, yeah.
So I wouldn't, I'd keepeverything exactly the same.
Because it's like, I learnedcertain things on the way.
Yeah.
I survived certain things alongthe way.
So I don't think I would changeanything or advise myself with
anything.
I agree.
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I'd
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give myself- So like everything is meant?
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Yeah, I'd give myself a friend like me though.
Like, I'd be, kind of like howyou're my friend when I was
younger, I'd be my own friend.
when I was younger.
Does that make sense?
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No.
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So I was 17 and you're my friend.
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Okay.
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Right?
Yeah.
I'd be my friend when I was 17.
Does that make sense?
Wait.
I'd be my own friend.
Yes.
Yeah, you'd be your own friend.
Tatiana, you're confusing me.
No, no, I get
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it.
I'm
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just messing with you.
Oh, do you get it?
Yeah.
I get it.
I'd be my own friend to likedirect me.
Does that make sense?
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I wouldn't change myexperiences
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and the things that you've gone through and stuff
like that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I feel that.
Yeah, I don't think I wouldeither, honestly.
Everything happens for a reason.
You have to go through certainthings to learn the next thing.
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Exactly.
Now, what I've learned.
Ciao.
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What have you learned?
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Give us something.
Damn.
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I have learned that...
What's one thing that you couldshare with our guests that
you've learned?
It's
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never that serious.
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It's never that serious?
It's
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never that serious, honestly.
In the moment you might thinkyou're dying.
Oh my
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God, I can't breathe.
It's never that serious.
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It's never that serious.
Yeah.
It's never that serious.
Honestly, like it's not life anddeath.
Your family's healthy.
Your friends are healthy.
That situation is never thatserious.
I agree.
And you always get better andyou always do better.
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Yeah.
And the sooner you realize it'snever that serious is the sooner
it gets unserious.
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Or like bad always has to happen for good to come.
Like it's kind of balanced.
It's kind of like how it'sraining right now, but the sun's
going to come out.
Exactly.
So, When bad things happen inlife, just be like, okay, I'm
going to take the punches, but
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time to sign up.
It gives you appreciation.
If it never rains, we wouldn'tappreciate the sun.
Clock it.
I feel like every fashion weekyou make headlines, you're
always the most beautiful girlin the world, as far as I can
see.
This past Paris Fashion Week,you went viral for your skin and
your body.
And my abs.
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And your abs.
Yes.
So first of all, give us thebody routine.
I contoured my abs that day.
You contoured
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your...
Okay, no, but for real, but forreal.
Seriously.
So that Casablanca show, I didnot eat the whole morning.
I was on water till the time Ifinished the show.
And I thought, hmm, how can I,you know...
define my abs a little bit.
So I got that Fenty contourstick and I contoured.
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But you know, contour onlydefines what's already there.
Exactly,
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yeah.
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Clock it.
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Clock that.
That's hilarious.
But that's funny.
Exclusive, exclusive.
Exclusive behind the scenes.
And what did you use on yourskin that day?
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So for my, it was a mixture.
I used Skin Butter.
I use skin butter when I comeout of the shower anyways,
regardless.
This is not a paid ad.
It's not
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paid.
Do not invoice me, boo.
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And then I used some shimmer and some contour.
Absolutely.
Oh,
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cute.
Cute.
Cute.
I love it.
There we go.
We have the routine.
So contour the abs.
SPEAKER_01 (18:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (18:50):
Skin butter on the back.
No,
SPEAKER_01 (18:51):
no.
Skin butter first.
Skin butter first.
Oil.
Contour.
And then setting spray.
SPEAKER_00 (19:02):
Setting spray.
Setting spray.
That's a new one.
The Patrick Powell one?
Mm-hmm.
Ooh.
Wow.
You just gave us the recipe.
Yeah,
SPEAKER_01 (19:09):
that's how
SPEAKER_00 (19:09):
the glow stays.
So if you see men walking aroundwith...
Yeah, that's that Eva motion.
Don't forget the setting spray,ladies.
What's your favorite FashionWeek memory?
SPEAKER_01 (19:20):
My favorite Fashion Week memory was...
I would say...
going to my first Louis Vuittonshow.
And it was the first time Virgilwas showing his first show.
SPEAKER_00 (19:34):
Fire.
What did you wear?
SPEAKER_01 (19:35):
No, it wasn't his first show.
Yes, it was his first
SPEAKER_00 (19:37):
show.
Is that the one where you havethe picture with Pop Smoke?
Yeah.
In the
SPEAKER_01 (19:40):
blue?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (19:41):
See, wow.
SPEAKER_01 (19:43):
Research.
Wow.
Or do you just remember itbecause you love me?
I just remember it because itwas cute.
Yeah.
It was a good show.
That's fire.
SPEAKER_00 (19:49):
And that was your first Louis Vuitton show?
SPEAKER_01 (19:51):
First.
And the craziest thing is theydidn't invite me.
SPEAKER_00 (19:53):
I wasn't
SPEAKER_01 (19:54):
invited.
Like, craziest thing is, I wasmy friend's past one.
I was sat in second row.
I was just like, okay, my outfitwas not Louis Vuitton.
People thought it was.
It wasn't.
I had this vintage Louis Vuittonpadlock necklace.
I was like, yeah.
They hadn't invited me.
I was just there for that.
SPEAKER_00 (20:10):
They haven't invited you since?
Sometimes you gotta kick in thedoor.
Or pick it till you make it.
No, that's what a lot of peopleprobably don't realize.
And that kind of goes back toyour note of not having a goal
or looking back and forthbecause someone else can look at
you.
SPEAKER_01 (20:27):
I expect them to invite me.
SPEAKER_00 (20:29):
Yeah.
Yeah.
You have to sometimes just knowwhat you want to do and know
like your lane and know who youwant to be.
But at the same time, you can'tcompare it to anyone else
because a girl could be lookingat you like,
SPEAKER_01 (20:40):
dang
SPEAKER_00 (20:40):
it.
SPEAKER_01 (20:40):
She went to the Louis Vuitton show.
I'm like, girl, I didn't getinvited.
I just
SPEAKER_00 (20:44):
got
SPEAKER_01 (20:44):
it.
That was someone else's invite.
I was the plus one.
SPEAKER_00 (20:47):
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (20:47):
That's fine.
It's just about perception, Iguess.
SPEAKER_00 (20:49):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (20:50):
Yeah.
I was posting.
I was on the runway posting.
Like, damn.
SPEAKER_00 (20:54):
I love it.
Love it.
That's another exclusive.
Exclusive.
How has your faith shaped theway you move throughout your
career and your life, do youthink?
SPEAKER_01 (21:04):
I think my faith has helped me a lot in regards to
like my mental stability.
Because sometimes, as I say, Iget overstimulated.
Sometimes things can come toomuch and I'm just like, ugh,
that's too much.
Too much is going on.
there's too much motion in theocean no but seriously it keeps
me grounded it keeps me umstable it keeps me it helps me
(21:29):
have the ability to be like noand yes because obviously I have
my morals and have things that Istand by and then things I'm
like um no I don't want to dothat yes I'll do that and I feel
like that also helps me in theindustry because I feel like you
can get lost
SPEAKER_00 (21:43):
yeah
SPEAKER_01 (21:44):
with saying yes to certain things and doing certain
things.
And if you live by a certain,like, if you live a certain way
and know certain things, there'scertain things you wouldn't be
wanting to do.
Does that make sense?
I guess it helps me feel as iflike there's someone there all
the time.
Like, yes, I have my friends.
(22:04):
Yes, I have my family, butthey're not available 24 seven.
You know, like if I need you inthat moment, They could be,
their life happens too.
Like I wouldn't expect myfriends to be there for me 24
seven.
I know they're there for me 24seven, but for instance, you
have a child or like my otherfriends work a nine to five.
So, you know, but if I pray, I'mlike, okay, I know there's
(22:25):
someone there for me 24 seven,whenever I need them on speed
dial and they're going to makeit happen.
Amen.
Love that.
Oh man.
Maybe I should start a podcast.
Hey guys.
SPEAKER_00 (22:40):
I just love your accent.
It's so fun.
SPEAKER_01 (22:42):
Tatiana told someone else from Detroit the other day.
She won't let that go.
It's
SPEAKER_00 (22:47):
just
SPEAKER_01 (22:47):
a
SPEAKER_00 (22:47):
small
SPEAKER_01 (22:47):
little joke.
So in America, what really goesfor me sometimes is my British
accent.
Yeah.
She
SPEAKER_00 (22:53):
turns it on.
She's been here since she was17.
Tatiana says I turn it
SPEAKER_01 (22:56):
on.
I don't turn it on.
But sometimes I heighten myaccent.
British ability.
I'd be like, hi, my name's Eva.
I'm from London.
If I want to really stretch itand we're somewhere, I'd be
like, yeah, it's my first timein New York.
She'd be like...
She's
SPEAKER_00 (23:11):
been in New York 20 million times and she'll say
that and I'm looking like...
SPEAKER_01 (23:15):
I'm like, it's my first time.
They'd be like, oh my gosh, wehave discount.
SPEAKER_00 (23:18):
So to humble her, I told someone she was from
Detroit, just as a joke.
SPEAKER_01 (23:21):
I'm here speaking, he's like, where are y'all from?
Oh, she was like, I'm from NewYork.
She's from Detroit.
I said, what?
So now this person is thinking Iwas faking my British accent the
whole time.
So said, so done.
I think I'm a liar out there.
SPEAKER_00 (23:35):
What's something that you've had to unlearn
recently that's changed yourperspective?
SPEAKER_01 (23:43):
I have had to learn very hardly that you shouldn't
expect people to accept that'show I am.
Does that make sense?
Like if you do something andthen someone said they don't
like it and you say, that's justhow I am.
You can't do that.
Especially if you care about aperson, your friend, your
boyfriend, your family.
That's not how you are.
If someone is saying they don'tlike a certain way you've acted,
(24:05):
I'm sorry, I'll do better.
Not just, that's how I am andyou have to put up with it.
SPEAKER_00 (24:08):
Yeah, I feel
SPEAKER_01 (24:10):
that.
They don't.
SPEAKER_00 (24:10):
You were very much, that's how I am, huh?
Yeah.
Take it or leave it.
SPEAKER_01 (24:13):
Yeah, I was very much, take it or leave it.
And then it's like, I wouldexpect people to stay and then
when they leave, I'd be like...
You left?
Oh my gosh.
How dare you?
But it's like, they had theirboundaries.
They had their morals.
And it's like, are you upsetwith the situation?
I wouldn't expect that fromsomeone that I care about.
And I'm like, you know what?
You're right.
(24:34):
I will do better.
Not just, that's how I am.
SPEAKER_00 (24:36):
Yeah.
That's good.
That's
SPEAKER_01 (24:38):
grown.
I'm growing
SPEAKER_00 (24:39):
up, guys.
She's growing up, guys.
That's beautiful.
You're going to be 25.
Hold it.
This is baby sis right here.
Not too much.
So when did you cut your hairoff?
Because...
I cut my hair when
SPEAKER_01 (24:54):
I was 16.
SPEAKER_00 (24:54):
When you were 16?
Mm-hmm.
You had a shortcut when I met...
Oh, yeah.
Oh, so we actually, we metthrough Brianna.
You're like the third personI've had on my podcast that I've
met through Brianna.
I have to have Brianna on.
SPEAKER_01 (25:05):
Yeah, you have to.
SPEAKER_00 (25:06):
Because that's crazy.
SPEAKER_01 (25:07):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (25:07):
That's crazy.
Shout out to you, Bri.
Shout out to you, Bri.
Matt Brand.
We met at a Matt Brand shoot.
Mm-hmm.
You had a long wig, right?
SPEAKER_01 (25:14):
No, I didn't have a wig then.
You
SPEAKER_00 (25:16):
didn't have a wig?
No, I had short hair.
I had on a wig.
You
SPEAKER_01 (25:18):
had on a wig.
You always have a wig.
SPEAKER_00 (25:20):
I had a wig at the back time.
That's crazy.
SPEAKER_01 (25:24):
Yeah, I had short hair.
SPEAKER_00 (25:27):
Yeah.
Yeah, and I was by
SPEAKER_01 (25:29):
myself.
I came to New York from Phillyand she wanted to shoot.
I was like, okay, what was Idoing there?
What was I doing
SPEAKER_00 (25:37):
there?
What were you doing?
I was just
SPEAKER_01 (25:38):
doing anything.
SPEAKER_00 (25:39):
What were you doing in Philly?
SPEAKER_01 (25:40):
My dad's mom lives in Philly.
So my dad's African American,basically.
So I've been coming to, from 17,I was coming to just see my
family.
And then it became I'm coming tosee my friends.
Then it became I'm coming towork.
SPEAKER_00 (25:53):
Got it.
So you're from Philly a littlebit.
Say Philly.
Is that a joke?
Okay, I would have said Philly.
Yes.
We out here.
You're from Philly.
Yeah.
What do they call people fromPhilly?
I don't know.
I don't know.
So it's such a demanding life.
You travel so much.
How do you pour into yourselfand take time mentally,
physically, emotionally?
SPEAKER_01 (26:14):
It depends where I am.
If I'm in London, if I'm home, Isee my friends.
Even actually, no, wherever I goand I have friends in the city,
I'll see my friends.
Yeah,
SPEAKER_00 (26:22):
you have friends everywhere.
SPEAKER_01 (26:24):
Yeah, I'll see my friends.
That pours a lot into me becauseI love my friends daily.
I'll do anything for them.
I work out.
I go to the gym.
I pray.
I feel like that helps.
And I book a massage the firsttime.
Let's get into the real thing.
Book a massage.
(26:45):
To be honest, I only starteddoing that recently.
When I travel, I'll book amassage or try something new in
the city that I'm in.
Usually, I'll just go straightto bed.
I go to the beach.
I run into the ocean.
Me and Tatiana did that theother day.
We ran into the ocean.
It was such a fun moment.
It was so
SPEAKER_00 (27:01):
cute.
I love us because I feel like weact like big kids.
SPEAKER_01 (27:05):
No, that's not what happens Tatiana, no.
Tatiana triggers me to do stuff.
So she will just be walkingnormally.
And she'll be like, let's race.
I'm like, oh, okay.
And I'm with it.
I feel like you did it the firsttime.
No, no, Tatiana.
I said, Tatiana, let's go to theocean.
Let's take a sweet walk.
You did not say that.
(27:26):
Yes, I did.
You started running, Eva.
No, Tatiana, you said, let'srace.
Yeah, she said, let's race.
She said, fast, let's race.
And then we run into the ocean.
And then they say, she's like,I'll be late.
I bet you won't go.
I said, bet me that I won't go.
I bet you won't go.
And then I'll get up and I'mready and I'm going.
(27:46):
She just triggers me in the bestway.
SPEAKER_00 (27:49):
And I think that you match the energy.
That's why I trigger you.
SPEAKER_01 (27:51):
Yeah, I'll be at home in London.
She's like, I think we should dothis and go here.
I said, okay,
SPEAKER_00 (27:57):
I'll book my flight right now.
So what does softness look liketo you on a daily basis?
Soft life?
Softness, soft life, whateveryou use.
Okay,
SPEAKER_01 (28:06):
this is where I
SPEAKER_00 (28:08):
thrive.
Thrive, huh?
To me,
SPEAKER_01 (28:11):
soft life is not worrying about anything.
Like, I give myself a soft life,so I expect a soft life, you
know?
So it could be waking up in themorning and I make myself
breakfast.
I get up, I don't feel like I'min a rush.
No one's rushing me.
You're just eased.
You're just eased, you know?
SPEAKER_00 (28:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (28:31):
Like, I ordered myself an Uber.
Like, you know?
Stuff that...
Because sometimes...
SPEAKER_00 (28:38):
Wait, what do you mean you order yourself an Uber?
Like,
SPEAKER_01 (28:40):
I am blessed enough to order myself an Uber.
Some people have to walk to thebus stop.
SPEAKER_00 (28:44):
Oh, true, true.
Do you get what I mean?
Okay, no, you're being supergrateful.
Okay, I didn't get that.
I was confused.
I'm like, you order yourself anUber?
SPEAKER_01 (28:49):
No, but do you get what I mean?
Like,
SPEAKER_00 (28:51):
just stuff like that.
Like, instead of driving orhaving to walk.
SPEAKER_01 (28:54):
Yes.
Self-life would be coming home,having a slow night, doing my
skincare.
Yeah.
Like...
putting my tea bed aside,watching my movie.
But I hate when people just comeand just rattle everything.
And I feel like I'm
SPEAKER_00 (29:10):
rushed.
I'm like...
Yeah, I hate being rushed.
I hate being rushed.
If I have to rush, I don't wantto go anymore.
SPEAKER_01 (29:15):
But Tatiana takes her time.
Tatiana will still be gettingready.
I'm at the door.
Sometimes I have to stand by thedoor and be like, Tatiana, I'm
at the door.
She'll be like, I'm coming, I'mcoming.
SPEAKER_00 (29:23):
No, but what Eva does...
First of all, your hair'salready done.
So that's like first andforemost.
And then what Eva does, you dothis thing where...
She just leaves the bathroom.
She doesn't say, I'm finished.
She doesn't say, okay, let's goat this time.
You just will leave thebathroom.
And the way that I know that Evais ready is I will just hear
different TikToks.
(29:45):
Don't call me that.
She's calling her son, Eva.
I'm like, Eva, are you ready?
You've never said anything.
So her life is so soft thatshe's so soft spoken that you
just don't speak.
You don't use your words.
Because how am I supposed toknow?
Now a half hour has gone pastand you've been sitting in the
bed.
But dinner's at 10.45.
Tatiana knows dinner's at
SPEAKER_01 (30:05):
10.45.
Tatiana starts doing her makeupat 10.30.
I'm going to leave the house.
Me, I've already started mymakeup at 10.20.
Tatiana, 10.30, she's startingher makeup.
So five minutes later.
And then makeup, and then shehas to do her hair.
Then she has to get her outfit.
Then she has to make her bodyglow.
And then she has to take herpictures before she leaves.
No, no, no.
That's five things.
SPEAKER_00 (30:26):
Eva, I have not taken any pictures.
Okay, so out of that, actually,who do you think is worse?
Who takes more pictures?
That of me and you.
I think it's the same.
I think it's the same.
But I think that we...
So what are we trying to getwith that?
I don't know.
I want to see if you're going tosay me.
No, it's the
SPEAKER_01 (30:40):
same.
But we're the sort of people, ifit's not like work, we don't
have to.
Yeah, like we'll be like, oh,here, just get a quick pic.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's what I love about you.
It's not like too much.
SPEAKER_00 (30:50):
Welcome back.
We just took a short commercial
SPEAKER_01 (30:53):
break.
SPEAKER_00 (30:54):
This
SPEAKER_01 (30:55):
isn't ASMR.
Go Tatiana.
ASMR, you mean?
What?
This isn't ASMR.
Yes.
Just feel relaxed as you hearour voice.
SPEAKER_00 (31:04):
Your voice is not relaxing.
It is actually.
UNKNOWN (31:08):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (31:09):
Tatiana, do the voice that you ask.
When you want something, do thevoice.
SPEAKER_00 (31:12):
What?
SPEAKER_01 (31:14):
Say you want a new...
Say you want me to go pick upthat box over there.
SPEAKER_00 (31:21):
Eva mistakes manners just for me acting different.
SPEAKER_01 (31:25):
Tatiana, do the voice.
I said, Eva...
No, Tatiana, do the voice.
SPEAKER_00 (31:29):
Eva, please.
Please, could you do this forme, please?
SPEAKER_01 (31:32):
That's not the voice, Tatiana.
SPEAKER_00 (31:33):
I don't know how to do it unless I need to do it.
SPEAKER_01 (31:35):
Okay, do the eyes.
The eyes have to do the voice.
SPEAKER_00 (31:38):
Go ahead.
So you think I'm a manipulator?
No,
SPEAKER_01 (31:42):
you just know how to use your looks and your voice
for something that you want.
Wow.
Don't worry, I do too.
SPEAKER_00 (31:48):
Exactly.
No, Eva, you are, like, you'recrazy.
The way you do it, you're funny.
Like, you should be an actress.
Have you started, have youthought about acting?
SPEAKER_01 (31:57):
Yeah, but it's so much work.
I feel like the goal in my lifeis to stop working.
I don't want to give myself morework.
So, I mean, like, if I'm notalready doing it now, like, I
don't know, in something I'malready doing now, to start
something new.
I
SPEAKER_00 (32:10):
feel that.
Especially, I think acting isalso just super political.
And
SPEAKER_01 (32:13):
also similar to modern art, doing auditions and
castings, like, I know how hardit is to, like, break through in
something
SPEAKER_00 (32:19):
I can't.
I don't want to break anythingelse.
SPEAKER_01 (32:21):
I'm good, y'all.
I can't lie.
SPEAKER_00 (32:25):
It's enough on my plate.
I know I wanted to eat.
I'm
SPEAKER_01 (32:27):
just waiting to get married.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (32:30):
And, yeah.
Speaking of that, so, what doyou see, like, what do you see
yourself in five years?
Do you see yourself married infive years with kids in five
years?
Because I feel like when I wasyour age, like, oh, by 30, I
want to be married with kids.
Like, do you want to be married?
SPEAKER_01 (32:43):
I want to be married, yes.
I feel like that would...
balance me out so much I want tohave kids but God willing you
know my time is not his time butmy time is definitely I know
when I'm going to get marriedand if the man comes in my life
at a certain point or someoneelse comes at a certain point
and like you know what am Iright now like let's go
SPEAKER_00 (33:06):
She has a Pinterest board and everything already of
her wedding.
No,
SPEAKER_01 (33:09):
seriously, I have a Pinterest board of my wedding
ring.
I have a Pinterest board of mywedding.
I have a Pinterest board of mybachelorette.
I have a Pinterest board of myengagement party.
I have a Pinterest board of mywhole entire wedding.
I have a Pinterest board of mydream home.
The Bible says, plan to fail,fail to plan.
SPEAKER_00 (33:26):
What is your relationship with beauty and
skincare?
I feel like everyone looks toyou on top of fashion.
You're just such a...
I don't wash my
SPEAKER_01 (33:31):
face every night.
That can be so serious withthat.
Yes, finish your question.
Sorry, I cut you off.
Do you
SPEAKER_00 (33:41):
wash your face?
I
SPEAKER_01 (33:42):
wash my face every night,
SPEAKER_00 (33:43):
yeah.
What are your five go-to beautyproducts?
Top five.
SPEAKER_01 (33:48):
Top five?
Top five.
I need a good serum.
A good face cream.
Name them.
Damn.
Okay.
Most of everything I'm using isface.
Okay.
On my actual body.
Skin butter, I promise it's notan ad.
Like literally, because wedon't...
(34:09):
Do you ship to London?
I do.
Oh, I thought she didn't.
So I had to take my best friend,her own tub.
That tub finished.
And she has begged me ever sinceto bring another tub.
I keep forgetting.
It's serious.
So, and the exfoliator.
I use that in the shower.
But I don't use it every day.
I use it like twice a week.
(34:29):
She's never told me this.
I promise this is not an ad.
And then I use skin butter, andthen I use Vaseline, the gel
one, right?
And then I let my butt, like,air dry.
SPEAKER_00 (34:41):
Gotta let it marinate.
Yeah, air dry.
SPEAKER_01 (34:43):
And then I'll use all my body glow stuff.
On my face, I use Rode SkinCream.
SPEAKER_00 (34:48):
I actually really like Rode.
SPEAKER_01 (34:49):
Yeah, I use the Rode, like, three of them.
If I want something light andhydrating on my skin, I use
Rode.
If I want something heavy, I'lluse, like, a La Mer or August,
August something.
SPEAKER_00 (34:58):
Augustine Bake.
Augustine, the blue one.
Yes, I'll use that,
SPEAKER_01 (35:01):
like the heavy cream.
I have like loads of differentthings and I cater to what my
skin wants in the exact moment.
So I couldn't give you the exactproduct for my body.
That's why I use.
SPEAKER_00 (35:10):
Boom, bam.
Thank you, ma'am.
Love it.
So what makes you feel justcozy?
Like what grounds you?
What makes you feel like you'rewithin yourself, grounded, Eva
at 100%?
Where
SPEAKER_01 (35:23):
am I?
Give me a setting.
Am
SPEAKER_00 (35:25):
I a home?
Can it be anywhere?
No matter where you are in theworld, what makes you feel cozy?
SPEAKER_01 (35:32):
My bed.
SPEAKER_00 (35:33):
Your bed?
SPEAKER_01 (35:34):
My bed.
SPEAKER_00 (35:35):
Home in your bed.
SPEAKER_01 (35:36):
Or in a hotel bed.
Yeah.
Just in a bed.
Bed.
Just a bed.
Any bed.
And like an oversized hoodie.
A good oversized hoodie.
Like clean, fresh, clean body,fresh, clean skin and bed.
Yes.
See, I love a robe.
I love a robe.
Tatiana lives in a robe.
Tatiana, she got to share arobe.
(35:58):
Wake up in the morning, robe.
SPEAKER_00 (35:59):
I'm like, dang, girl.
Yeah, I love a robe.
At home, I love a robe.
Yeah.
If we were not in Miami rightnow, now is the time where I
would give you your gift, whichwould be a skin butter and a
robe, but I'll ship it to you.
Oh, thank you.
SPEAKER_01 (36:11):
Just one tub?
SPEAKER_00 (36:12):
I'll send you multiple.
Thank you so much.
God bless you.
Of course.
God will bless you too.
Thank you.
Amen.
Amen.
Inshallah.
But thank you so much for comingon a cozy space with me, Tatiana
Elizabeth.
SPEAKER_01 (36:26):
And me, Evapio.
Thank you guys for watching.
SPEAKER_00 (36:29):
Thank you guys for watching.
Love you guys.
Comment, watch, subscribe.
SPEAKER_01 (36:33):
And share with your friends.
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