June 4, 2025 • 40 mins
The slow death of religion in modern society has left us with a devastating moral vacuum as faith becomes increasingly difficult to maintain in our scientific age. Where once religion provided clear answers to life's mysteries, now we struggle to find common moral ground, resulting in a breakdown of rational discourse on crucial topics like immigration.
Our immigration debate perfectly exemplifies this crisis of rationality. Trapped between extremes, we've lost the ability to discuss this vital issue with clarity and pragmatism. Yet the mathematical reality is unavoidable – America's aging population and declining birthrate mean we desperately need immigrants to sustain our economy and social programs. With Social Security's worker-to-retiree ratio having plummeted from 139:1 at its inception to just 2:1 today, immigration isn't just a cultural question but an economic necessity.
What would a rational approach to immigration look like? We must acknowledge the millions already here illegally and create a conditional pathway to legal status – perhaps an "orange card" system allowing them to work legally and live without fear, though without a path to citizenship as a consequence for their illegal entry. For future immigration, we need streamlined processes for law-abiding individuals who can support themselves, with automatic green cards for international students graduating from American universities in high-demand fields. When legal immigration becomes accessible and efficient, enforcement resources can focus on genuine threats rather than desperate workers.
This approach bridges the gap between competing worldviews, offering a pragmatic solution based on our actual needs rather than ideological positions. It's the kind of rational thinking that once underpinned our public discourse but now seems increasingly rare. Perhaps by restoring reason to our immigration debate, we can begin building the shared moral framework our post-religious society so desperately needs. Join me in exploring how we might navigate these challenging waters with wisdom, justice, courage, and moderation – the four pillars of Stoicism that offer guidance even when faith proves elusive.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Good morning and happy Wednesday everybody.
This is Herbie K, your host forthe Spiritual Agnostic, the
podcast where we acknowledgethat at the core of the
breakdown of society is theongoing slow death of religion,
both in the United States andglobally, as science takes the
mystery out of the things thatreligion used to explain and
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faith has become something thatwas easy to have because it
explained everything around you.
To now, faith is believing insomething that objectively,
can't be true.
Now, the reason I'm an agnosticand not an atheist just to
explain it to you, those of youwho have never joined me before
is because I doubt it, but Ireally don't know.
You know I'm getting to an agewhere I'm going to find out
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before too terribly long, butwhen I find out I won't be able
to tell anybody.
So I don't really know.
Maybe there is a God.
I hope so.
I have what I would call ahealthy envy of religion.
I wish I could summon faith.
I wish I could be a part ofthat community actively and
participate, because I think thebenefits far outweigh any
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inconvenience of my cause.
And when I say that, I mean inthe Western sense, as religion
is practiced in lesssophisticated that's not the
right word less industrialized,less capitalistic.
Frankly, societies in placeslike Africa and in parts of
Central and South America, whereyou have largely an uneducated
mass, religion is still strongand is practiced in ways that
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let's just say, are going tohave to.
They're either going to getfurther and further left behind
between the gap between the poorand the rich, or they're going
to have to join the party.
But anyway, that's not whatthis podcast is about today, and
I espouse using.
You can't replace somethingwith nothing.
Religion is literally thefoundation of society, so if we
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don't replace it with something,we're doomed.
It doesn't matter.
You know what else we do,because we're advancing our
technology to the point wherenow our technology advances our
technology.
That's what AI is.
Ai is technology that thinks,and once it starts thinking and
thinking, I understand the widerange of what the definition.
Ai is technology that thinks,and once it starts thinking and
thinking, I understand the widerange of what the definition of
thinking is.
But it can perfect and improveitself, and you know that in a
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more of a microcosm sense and,by the way, I do this all the
time.
So you guys should try it too.
Go on the chat, gpt or grok.
I happen to prefer grok thesedays, but that's just me and you
know.
Talk to it and it I mean itreally.
It expands on the.
It's like talking to a realperson.
It expands on the conversation.
It helps with creativity.
It's a tool to be used.
You know there's a there's a bigdebate going on as to, for
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example, should students beallowed to use AI to write term
papers and so on and so forth,and the answer is just that this
is not what this podcast isabout.
But yes, yes, because they'renot going to uninvent it.
You know, I'm old enough toremember back in the day and
when I say back in the day,we're talking 1960s, when
handheld calculators first cameout and the kind that they would
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give you for free now in amillion different places was
cost over $100.
And that's when $100 in thosedays would be more like $500
today, when they just add,subtract, multiply, divide.
No memory.
That's all it did and wethought it was amazing and they
used to.
I'll never forget once I wassent to the assistant
principal's office for mathclass, literally because I was
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using one of those calculators.
My stepfather had brought onehome that he bought somewhere.
I forget it was a TexasInstruments.
I think I remember that Anyway,or did I just tell myself it
was Texas Instruments, but itwas definitely the calculator.
And the math teacher was MsHutchinson and she sent me down
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to the assistant principal'soffice, mr New, for using a
calculator.
And he said to me you know, youknow you're not allowed to do
that.
And I said, why are they goingto un-invent it?
I mean, even then I was a wiseguy and anyway it's turned out
to be.
Now, of course it's required tohave.
You know, when my kids went tohigh school they went to South
Point Catholic High School inTucson, arizona, a fine Catholic
college prep school.
And yes, I'm Jewish and I sentmy kids to Catholic school
because a little differentreligion isn't going to kill
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anybody and I liked the moralunderpinning of the institution,
generally speaking, and youknow we live in a country with
mostly Christians, so thisdoesn't hurt Jewish kids to
learn about Christianity.
Anyway, that was anotherdigression.
They were required.
I had to buy these expensive,again, texas Instruments that
I'm positive of, these veryexpensive Texas Instruments
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calculators that did all kindsof algorithmic.
You know, blah, blah, blah.
Math is not my strong suit, I'ma humanities kind of guy.
So, anyway, but what I do wantto talk about today is
immigration, and I want to talkabout immigration rationally,
because it's all over the place,and now I'm not going to get
into the politics of it, I'mgoing to get into the objective
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reality of it, and then,whatever your political
affiliation is, then that's justfine To have a country.
You can't have an open border.
I think that that's a commonrealization among everybody
except the stupid.
Now remember going back to anearlier podcast that I did on.
Stupidity is the greatest threatto our culture, which I do
maintain, and it's a theme I'mgoing to repeat.
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I'm going to repeat it hereStupidity is not a measure of
intelligence.
You can be extremely smart andbe stupid.
Stupid is when you don't listento anybody else but the echo
chamber in your head and thegroup of people you belong to.
In other words, you'reimpervious to debate.
You have made up your mind.
This is what you believe.
It doesn't matter whatobjective facts you're presented
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with.
You're stupid.
So I'll give you a good exampleof stupid.
Yesterday evening, when I wasjust basically multitasking and
I was on X on my phone and I waswatching some true crime dreck
in the background.
I was just basically enjoyingmy evening and there was a thing
about there was a march inPoland and it had a bunch of
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people carrying torches and themarch was this is subsequent to
the conservative candidatewinning the Polish.
I should say not a conservative, a nationalist candidate won
the presidential election inPoland, who is perceived as
right-wing.
I don't like the right-leftthing, so I'm not going to get
into it, but anyway, they'rehaving a march declaring that
Poland was a Christian country.
It was at night and everybodywas carrying torches and I just
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quipped on an ex-post.
That just is something that I,as a Jew, don't enjoy seeing.
Okay, so that set off theanti-Semites.
I had them coming at me fromevery direction to the point
where X stopped counting theresponses to my tweet, or
whatever Do they call themtweets anymore?
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My X post, whatever the hellthey call it.
Anyway, the nutcases came out ofthe woodwork and for about I
don't know a half an hour, Iengaged a few of them and a lot
of them were in Poland, writingme in Polish, which was
fascinating, because I don'tspeak word one of Polish.
And although Polish is a Slaviclanguage and I do speak Russian
, as I've told you, not only doI speak Russian, I can
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understand Ukrainian becauseit's so close and I can read it,
but that's because Ukrainian iswritten in Cyrillic letters but
Polish is written in anglicizedletters.
I forget what those letters arecalled, I forget what we call
our alphabet, but anyway theywrite there in our alphabet, but
it's all Slavic.
Anyway, it looks like amishmash to me.
So I was using Translate andtrying to figure out what was
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going on and these were very,but it all boiled down to this
they all hate the Jews.
And the point I made was is thatthere's a reason that every
single death camp, except forthree small ones, were in Poland
in World War II?
I just don't know if you guysknow that here's an objective
reality.
Okay, this is a good example ofdebating an objective reality
and how fast it can spin out ofcontrol in the world we live in.
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I made someone kept saying whydoes that bother you?
And I said because all thedeath camps were in Poland,
except for there were threesmall ones that were in Ukraine
and Belarus.
Two of them were in Ukraine,one was in Belarus, poland's,
the most anti-Semitic country inthe world.
It's not some kind ofcoincidence.
And you can't kill 6 millionJews and another 6 million
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gypsies and Slavs without havinga lot of local cooperation and
help.
You need employees.
You know this wasn't threeNazis with.
You know swastikas, you knowdoing it and nobody knew they
built.
There were no death camps inGermany, my friends.
There were no death camps inFrance.
There were no death camps inScandinavia.
There were no death camps inMussolini's Italy.
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There were no death camps inBohemia and Moravia, which is
what we today, the CzechRepublic and Slovakia.
There were no death camps inRomania, which was a Nazi ally.
There were no death camps andthe reason was the people
weren't anti-Semitic, generallyspeaking, in the general
population.
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Yes, the Nazis were fanaticanti-Semites in Germany, but the
mass of the population wouldhave never stood for death camps
.
They were okay with Dachau.
I've been to Dachau.
Dachau was a concentration campoutside of Munich.
Dachau was not a death camp.
It was a punishment camp forpolitical prisoners and Jews and
people died there and theirbodies were cremated.
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But it wasn't a death factory.
The death factories, the oneswhere they brought them in by
the train load, took them to thequote unquote showers, gassed
them, burned them and did it24-7.
Those were in Poland Okay,almost all of them and the worst
ones Auschwitz, majdnek,treblinka all in Poland, not a
coincidence.
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And the thing is is that whenpeople I bring this up, see, I
got emotional as I'm talkingabout this, as I had the
discussion people.
There was no discussion, it wasthe anti-Semites and the people
, me and the people who wereagreeing with me, and I just
broke it up and got away from itand blocked all the
anti-Semites and moved on.
The point of the matter isstupid is when you don't listen
to reason.
I don't know why I went intothat whole digression, maybe
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just to give you a feeling forit all.
But anyway, when you'represented, I'll use another
subject the climate.
On the climate, for example,it's come out in the last month
that 65% of the temperaturereadings in the IPCC report that
everyone's freaking out thatthe world is already one and a
half degrees warmer Relax, it'snot.
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Sixty-five percent of thereadings were taken in urban
heat islands.
If you don't know what that is,I live in one.
Phoenix.
Arizona is an urban heat island.
It can be 105 in Phoenix duringthe day in the summer, which is
going to be today.
So I'm going to use that as anexample.
But if you drive out of thecity and go into the desert, the
temperature drops about 5 to 10degrees because all the
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pavement isn't heating up.
That's just all there is to it.
Use your head, and then atnight, phoenix stays fairly warm
, where the desert gets freezingcold even in the summer because
, again, there's no concrete tohold in the heat, which is why
sometimes you'll seerattlesnakes out on the pavement
in the middle of the night inPhoenix in the summer, because
they're cold-blooded animalsretaining their body warmth.
So, anyway, but you bring allthis up to a climate cultist,
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and I call it a cult becausethey won't listen.
There's no point.
So what a rational person doesis disengage, but that doesn't
really advance anything.
So now let's talk aboutimmigration, the issue that I
really wanted to talk abouttoday, and what's going on.
So, rationally, we have to haveborders, and Trump has
successfully shut down theborder.
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That's an objective reality,and so you would have to come to
the conclusion, therefore andthis is why it's not being
discussed that in fact, theprevious administration, under
our senile president, literallyopened the border because the
laws haven't changed.
So one president has 20 millionpeople during his presidency
conservatively flock across theborder that are in the United
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States and the other one shutsdown the border, to where, last
month, I believe, the crossingnumber was three, not 300, not
3,000, not 3 million.
Three.
So okay, so now our border'sshut, but that is not the answer
.
And now we're talking abouttaking away student visas
because of what's going on withthe Ivy League, and I support
President Trump in his fightwith the Ivy League, because if
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you take public money, you can'toperate against the public
interest.
It's really, really simple.
And the people elected theexecutive branch who controls
that money, and if they make therules and you don't want to
live with them, fine, don't takethe money, but you don't get to
have it both ways.
So I support Trump in that, andparticularly because of the
anti-Semitism involved in thewhole Ivy League thing.
And so he's taking, but ratherthan using a scalpel, he's using
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a meat cleaver and he's takingaway the visas of, not just
students from the Middle East,but he's taking away the visas
of, or at least he's in theprocess of it and we'll see what
turns out.
But he's attempting to takeaway the ability to issue
student visas as new visas atall, and Chinese, latin American
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.
There's a lot of foreignstudents that don't come from
the Middle East and who are notanti-Semites.
And there are a lot of studentsand I can tell you this from
firsthand experience from theMiddle East who are also not
anti-Semites.
By the way, another quickdigression anti-Semite you
really, if you took the termliterally, would mean you hate
Arabs too, because Arabs areSemites.
So all the Semite is just foryou guys to know, is someone who
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comes from that region, thenorthern Africa, the crescent of
northern Africa, where theArabs and Jews live.
Those are Semites.
When you go south of that, intowhat's called sub-Saharan
Africa, that's where Africabecomes black.
But in northern Africa, fromyou know, like Tunisia, all the
way across to Iran, africa,they're all Semites.
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The Persians are Semites.
So to be anti-Semitic is to sayyou hate people from the Middle
East.
But of course now you knowcolloquially we we understand it
as hating Jews.
But anyway, I understand andthere, but there are plenty of
that.
I of Arabic students that I'veknown firsthand over the years
I'm not Arabic students studyingArab Arab students.
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My sister, when she was incollege, as far back this is
quite a ways ago, used toactually date several Saudi
Arabians, jordanians, becausethey have a thing for curvy
girls, and my sister is curvy.
So, and, by the way,interestingly, my Jewish sister
got a degree in Middle Easternstudies, a master's degree in
Arabic, and went to work at theNational Security Agency as an
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Arabic linguist, and she agreeswith me.
Okay, jewish girl who speaksfluent Arabic and can therefore
read their press.
It's not monolithic Like, forexample, mbs Mohammed bin Salman
, the heir apparent of thesenile king, by the way, openly
known to be senile King Fahd ofSaudi Arabia is out of
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commission.
He's still the king, buteveryone knows he's not there.
So MBS runs the country, hiseldest son, and he's not
anti-Jewish.
He gets along fine with Israel,in fact he's definitely going
to, sooner or later, dependingon the.
You know there's a war going on, so on and so forth, but
ultimately the Sunni Arab statesare going to join the Abraham
Accords and the historicaccomplishment, in my opinion,
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of Donald Trump that will lastfor the ages and put commerce
over conflict, as Trump says.
But what I'm saying is, you know, it's not freezing all the
student visas is a mistake.
It's a mistake on animmigration point of view for a
couple of reasons.
The first is we here in theUnited States.
Our population isn't keeping upwith our death rate, frankly,
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because we're not having enoughchildren.
There are lots of reasons forthat and we'll discuss those in
other podcasts the breakdown ofthe nuclear family and modern
feminism encouraging women tohave babies later and later, and
then them discovering that theycan't really have babies later
and later, and then themdiscovering that they can't
really have babies later andlater.
By the way, side note, if anyonesays to you as a woman, if
you're a woman, to freeze youreggs and then pursue your career
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and then you can have a babylater by, you know, having the
egg implanted and fertilized, da, da, da.
A lot of times it doesn't workand a lot of women are finding
themselves in near suicidaldepression over this, even as we
speak.
So don't fall for that joke.
If you want to have a baby,have a baby and then work your
career around it.
No one's saying you, as a woman, shouldn't have a career.
It can't have a career, but thesooner you have children, the
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happier you're going to be as awoman.
It's a simple fact of nature.
You want to know if you're inyour 30s and 40s.
Now you're a woman and youconsider yourself a feminist,
but not even a fanatic.
But you drank the Kool-Aid andyou put off having a baby and
now you're having troublegetting pregnant.
You can blame modern feminism.
Anyway, again a digression.
So let's go back to immigration, where I seem to have a hard
time staying on track.
Today, we basically we need thepopulation In order to pay for
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all of the things that we takefor granted, including Social
Security, medicare, for all ofthe things that we take for
granted, including SocialSecurity, medicare, medicaid,
the social safety net and we canget into the minutiae of how
all those are done, right orwrong later, but if you like the
fact that there is a socialsafety net and if you like the
fact that these programs forolder people and poor people
exist, we don't have thepopulation to maintain them.
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These are all pay-as-you-goprograms.
The Social Security Trust Fund,for example, is an accounting
fiction.
That was just something thatwas made up by Franklin
Roosevelt and it looks like itexists on paper, but it doesn't
really exist.
Because what kind of trust fundcan only invest in one thing,
which is government bonds, whichmeans that the government's
been borrowing the money out ofthe Social Security
quote-unquote trust fund foryears and the whole thing's
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unsolvent.
Blah, blah, blah.
It's really pay as you go.
When Social Security was set up,we had 139 workers for every
one retired person.
Today there are two.
I could go into a longerdiscussion as to how that
happened, but the number'sdropping.
We don't have enough peoplepaying in to support the people
that are collecting, and sincealmost everybody, when you bring
up the subject, particularly ofSocial Security, screams I paid
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in, I paid in, I want my money,then if you want to solve that,
you better be pro-immigration.
The only solution is going tobe immigration, particularly in
the short to medium term.
I've, then, deal with it rightnow, today, in the present that
we live in and in theforeseeable not that the future
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is ever foreseeable, but in theanticipatable future.
Let's say we have a seriousaccounting problem that only
immigration can solve.
Now we're very, very fortunatebecause we happen to live.
Our southern border is withMexico and the rest of Latin
America, which have thehealthiest demographics in the
world.
They're still having babiesdown there, and a lot of people
in Latin America in particularwant to come into the United
States, and they've comeillegally.
Now I understand that there are.
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You know people like thisEgyptian who burned up the
people in the March in Boulderthe other day, who have come in
illegally and overstayed theirvisas and yada, yada, yada.
But the mass border migrationis mostly Latino and most of
those people you know one of thearguments that's put forward by
people who talk about, you know, murders being committed by
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illegals like that poor girl,lakin Riley, in Atlanta always
retort with as a percentage oftheir population, illegal aliens
commit less crime than legal.
Well, first of all, that's animpossible statistic to
calculate, because illegalaliens don't submit to census
taking and poll takers, they'renot answering polls.
That's just a number, someonekind of extrapolated from what
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data they could get pulled outof their ass.
But let's say that's true.
It's also irrelevant.
The reason that that's anerroneous argument in the crime
perspective is that if you'rethe family of Lake and Riley,
you don't really give a shitthat the rest of the, and
neither does anybody else in thewhole country who understands
this.
And this is the differencebetween being stupid and smart.
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The people who want to supportunlimited immigration and leave
the illegals in the country tobe illegal the way they are
always say they commit lesscrime than the people that are
already here.
But that's a non sequitur.
You're repeating something thatlogically makes no difference,
because one is too many.
You understand that those twostatistics don't go together.
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It doesn't matter.
Maybe it's true, it stilldoesn't matter.
The fact of the matter is, forLake and Riley and all the
people that have been murderedby illegals and there's so many,
you can't count them they wouldall be alive today.
If the border wasn't opened upby Biden in the last term.
Lake and Riley would be alivetoday.
It's as simple as that, andthat's why people are really
angry.
But when people become reallyangry, they get stupid in the
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other direction and they don'twant to talk about immigration
rationally.
We have basically a war of thestupids.
We have the stupids who wantillegal immigration against the
stupids who want to close offimmigration, and we can't,
otherwise our country's going tocollapse.
We need the population.
So what would a rational, stoicperson do?
Now let's review the fourpillars of stoicism Justice,
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courage, moderation and wisdom.
Justice, courage, moderationand wisdom.
So what would a person who isbeing governed by those four
things do?
Well, the first thing you woulddo is you would say to yourself
already there's one of thecriticisms of the Trump
administration is they're notrounding up these millions of
people they said they were goingto round up and there's some
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criticism about that.
They're not good.
It's impossible Unless webecome Nazis.
Even the Nazis, okay, who couldkick down doors with impunity
and kill whoever they wanted intheir own population, couldn't
round up all the Jews in GermanyAt the end of the Second World
War.
There were over 5,000 Jewsstill left in Berlin, okay, who
were able to hide from the Nazisin the capital of Nazism, okay.
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So understand now.
They got most of the Jews, buteven the Nazis couldn't get them
all.
So the idea that we're going tostart kicking down doors like
stormtroopers, in violation ofthe Constitution and I know that
those with Trump derangementsyndrome believe that's already
happening, but that's againanother case of stupid it's not
happening.
It's simply not happening.
You can repeat, it's happeningover and over, but if you can't
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cite an objective, real examplein context in current time,
you're full of shit, have a PhD,but you're stupid, that's a
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good example of stupidity.
So, and conversely, if youthink that every illegal alien
is running around the streetraping and pillaging, you're
stupid.
And if your resistance to thesimple, objective reality, that
most of them are here becausethey want to earn a living.
And if you think they're hereto undermine the United States
and that's their reason forbeing, you're stupid.
Okay, they're here like everyother.
They just cut the line.
Okay, and that's a problem,because you cannot.
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If a nation doesn't have, if anation doesn't have laws and
borders, it's not a nation.
Okay, there's a reason that God, in the Noahide laws they were
handed down after the flood,there were seven.
These were called Noahide lawsthat were handed down after the
flood, kind of, let's say, arestatement of the ten
commandments, getting rid of afew of the extraneous,
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extraneous commandments thatdon't matter.
And it had the only affirmativecommandment.
There was an affirmativecommandment.
In other words, instead of thoushalt not, there was one
affirmative and it was you shallmake laws.
Thou shalt make laws, you shall, however you want to.
God didn't speak in old Englisheither, by the way.
You know who knows what he'sspoken, probably Aramaic, but
whatever.
Having said that, no laws, nocountry, no civilization.
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So what do we do about it?
So here's what a rationalperson would say.
The first thing we're going tohave to do is we're going to
have to declare an amnesty.
Now, as soon as I say that,that's like no one ever talks
about it because it's the A word, it's like I don't know, it's
like the modern equivalent ofthe C word.
You know, like that I used toteach my children although
everyone says the C word nowthat that was the worst word,
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that you can never use itbecause you can never take it
back.
But now it's been replaced byamnesty.
God forbid we should giveamnesty.
Oh my God, they broke the law.
Blah, blah, blah.
You're opening up the borderagain.
Listen the way to avoid it.
If you can, let's play chessand not checkers.
How could we avoid having anamnesty turn into a rush to the
border?
The answer is you declare adate prior to the day you
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declared the amnesty as thecutoff.
So let's say they declared theamnesty.
Today is let's see what istoday Today's June the 4th.
So let's say today, on June the4th, we declare an amnesty.
Magically the Congress gets abrain and there's an amnesty for
everyone that's illegal in thecountry to come forward and
become legal.
I'll get into how that happensin just a minute.
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You could do it as to May the31st.
Then today, june the 4th, youget a pardon.
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You get an amnesty.
However, you have to come in.
It's not an amnesty withoutconditions.
It's not unconditional.
Here are the conditions of anamnesty However, you have to
come in.
It's not an amnesty withoutconditions.
It's not unconditional.
Here are the conditions of theamnesty you have to come in and
get your orange card.
So you're not going to get agreen card Because you came to
the country illegally.
The penalty for that is therewill be no path to citizenship.
So if you come in, you're notillegal anymore.
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You'll get an orange card.
You'll get a social securitynumber.
You can work and live in theUnited States.
You can pay taxes, you can buyproperty and cars, you can live
in the sunshine.
You don't have to worry aboutthe police.
Your children, if they're bornin the United States, are US
citizens under birthrightcitizenship, which I don't think
we should monkey with, becausewhen you start playing with the
Constitution, monkey with,because when you start playing
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with the Constitution, therewill be unintended consequences
that we haven't thought of yet,but it won't be good.
So just this takes care of thewhole problem.
You can live and work here inthe sunshine.
The only thing is youyourselves, parents of the
children that are citizens, willnever be citizens.
You will never be allowed tovote.
This is the penalty.
You or hold office.
This is the penalty that youpay because you broke the law.
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Coming United States, on theother hand, you can now live in
freedom and most of them bethrilled out of their minds.
And I can tell you, living inArizona and a family in the
produce business, and that's whywe came to Arizona and I worked
and lived with Mexicans andfields.
I worked in the fields ofFresno and the San Joaquin
Valley and packing houses and Ispeak Spanish and I know these
people up front and personal ina way that most of you listening
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to me do not, and I assure youthey don't care.
They're not here to vote,they're not here to be in
American elections.
What most of them would do andI'll get to the next part of it
is they would go home part ofthe year, particularly the
agricultural workers.
The reason they stay in theUnited States is one of the
unintended consequences ofshutting down the border without
a good plan, without areasonable immigration policy
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because they're afraid to gohome.
They're afraid that if they goback home and for, let's say,
six.
They come up here, they workfor a harvesting season let's
say, in Yuma, arizona, workingthere and picking strawberries
or whatever they're picking, andthen when the season's over,
they go down to Mexico and theycome back for the next growing
season.
That's the way it was in theold days, before we became
irrational.
But today, and so many illegalsstay in the country because
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they're afraid that they can'tget back.
They paid a lot of money to getinto coyotes in the first place
quote-unquote human traffickers.
But how do you end all thathuman trafficking and everything
else?
No-transcript really want tobecome US citizens can simply go
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back to their country of origin, reapply at the local American
consulate, come back in theright way, get their green card.
It won't be held against themthat they made a prior mistake.
So that fixes.
Now every illegal alien is outin the open.
Okay, now how do we keep thisproblem from repeating?
Well, we have to come up with arational border policy and
immigration policy movingforward so that takes care of
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the 20 million behind this.
Rationally, what do we do aboutthe ones that still want to and
are going to come?
And the answer is we have anunlimited.
We need these people Understand.
The basis of this is theobjective fact that we need
these people to support ourwelfare state, basically.
So in order to do that, we haveto have an unlimited
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immigration policy.
So if you apply at a USconsulate in your country of
origin and if you do not have acriminal record of any kind,
where you're from, whether it'sMexico or Uruguay, not many
Uruguayans are coming becauseit's a great country.
But you know, like Ecuadoriansor whatever it might be, if you
don't have a criminal record andyou want to come here and work
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and you do not and you cansupport yourself when you get
here, you're not asking for asan immigrant.
No immigrant, until they'veachieved citizenship or with the
orange card, should be eligiblefor any kind of federal aid.
Now, if a state wants toprovide aid, that's fine, but I
warn the states any state thatstarts doing that and hanging
out the free shit here sign isgoing to get swarmed by the
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worst part of the immigrantscoming into the country.
You hang out the free crap sign.
The good people don't come, butthe bad people come like crazy.
And there are good and badpeople, sorry, there are people
that are permanently broken.
So you basically say you cancome to the country as long as
you can get here.
You don't have to pay a coyote,you know you can come, you'll
get a green card five years,you're a citizen.
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Work hard, yada, yada.
We need you.
It doesn't matter whether theyhave degrees or money or not.
Okay, because we need thebodies to go to work.
We have plenty of things forthem to do.
Okay, we have no shortage ofplaces for immigrants to find
their way and, by the way, starttheir own businesses and create
Again.
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Nothing's stopping them Takepart in the American dream.
The other thing that we have todo as part of a rational
immigration policy is kill allbilingualism.
The official language of theUnited States should be declared
to be English and all formsshould be in English, and all
official government signage allofficial government forms only
in English, not as we do nowwith Spanish.
On the other side.
The reason for that is notbecause I don't like Spanish,
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because I speak and love Spanish.
I literally spoke Spanishbefore I spoke English.
That's a true story, but I'mnot going to repeat it.
I think I've already told it inanother podcast.
Even if I didn't, it's not thatinteresting, but anyway, I'm
the furthest thing fromanti-Spanish.
However, a country has to haveone language because otherwise
it's not going to be a country.
Look at Canada and how theFrench speakers and the English
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speakers absolutely hate eachother.
And Canada is constantly on thebrink of dissolution more so
lately for other reasons, but Iwon't get into that.
And a country has one officiallanguage, that's it.
And the official language ofthe United States is English.
Everybody speaks English, theworld speaks English.
It's the language of commerce,and unless you want your kids to
grow up digging ditches therest of their lives, you would
want them to speak English.
So, like every other wave ofimmigrants, including my own
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grandfather, who came to thiscountry speaking only Russian
and Yiddish but learned Englishwithout any classes because he
had to.
Necessity is the mother ofinvention.
That's the way it has to be,because that creates.
That's how you begin toinculcate a immigrant population
into the country.
Now the other part of rationalimmigration is we have all these
students.
Let's go to the students thatare in the university systems.
What do we do with them?
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And the answer is automaticgreen card upon graduation.
As long as you haven't takenpart in a Hamas protest, it is
completely reasonable to revokethe visas and I was going to say
expropriate, that's the wrongword and to expel those people
out of the United States whobasically come here and try to
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sell hate, like anti-Semitism oncampuses.
You don't get to come here andbe anti-American and
anti-anything.
You know you come here.
It's a privilege.
However, most foreign studentsare coming here because they
love the privilege and a lot ofthem would like to stay and we
need them desperately.
We have a shortage of mostforeign students are studying
STEM subjects science,technology, engineering and math
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S-T-E-M STEM that's what thatmeans, and we need these STEM
graduates.
We don't have enough of our own, partially because of our
miserable public school systemanother subject for another day
but also because we just don'thave enough Americans that want
to do these things.
So if a Chinese national or aSaudi national or a French
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national or a Dutch national, orwhatever it might be, comes to
the United States to study hereand finishes their STEM degree,
they should be offered anautomatic green card.
If you'd like to stay, you canstay and become a citizen.
If you want to go home, go home.
But I'm telling you right now,if you offered the green cards a
large percentage.
I have no idea what it is, Ihaven't read a study, I'm not
going to pull a number out of mytuchus, but a large percentage
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are going to stay and we needthem.
This Senate are going to stayand we need them.
This is a rational immigrationpolicy.
Now, when you have a rationalimmigration policy, when anybody
who can come into the countrycan come into the country as
long as they're law abiding andcan get here on their own two
feet and apply properly to anAmerican consulate without a
quota, then there's no excusefor any illegal crossings.
That means the only peoplecrossing illegally are criminals
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.
Okay, now let's talk about thatvery, very briefly.
No, no, you know what.
There's another element to theimmigration crisis, and this is
where there's overlap.
These things do not exist in avacuum, and I want to talk to
you about the drug war, but youknow what?
I'm going to resist thetemptation of going into the
drug war in this podcast.
I think I'll talk about iteither in the next one or at
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least soon in the future.
The reason I'm not going to becommittal on that while I talk
about it on Friday is simplybecause something could happen
that I want to comment onbetween now and Friday.
That will change my mind.
But all things being equal, thedrug war is a big reason.
But anyway, back to the logicand what I'm saying as far as
immigration policy is concerned,when you don't have to chase
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down decent people, you canconcentrate your resources on
indecent people.
And since you're letting allthe decent people in anytime
they want to come, then the onlypeople crossing the border are
going to be the indecent people.
There are going to be very,very, very few of them.
In comparison, the decentoutnumber the indecent.
The indecent make a lot ofnoise, but they're a small group
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relative to the mass coming in.
So you can concentrate yourenforcement resources on a much
smaller number of people andmuch more efficiently catch the
potential terrorists andterrible things that can come
into the country that will stillbypass the legal system because
they could never get through it.
Do you understand therationality?
Now, all of this has beendiscussed in bits and pieces by
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other people than me.
Before these things workThey've been tried before,
they've been done successfullybefore but for various like, for
example, under Ronald Reagan,we had a Bracero program, which
was just what I'm talking aboutyou could come to the United
States, work, pick, do yourthing.
Go back to Mexico, come backnext year and work and pick.
It was all.
You were a bracero, a guestworker.
That's what it was all about.
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A guest worker, and it worked.
For some reason, we stoppeddoing it.
I don't know why.
It's politics.
Politics are irrational,politics are stupid.
Okay, so that's why, by the way, I invented antipolitism.
This would be my perfect segueinto the ending.
Rationality is only possible,okay, when, at least in the big
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picture of running a country,when the people leading us are
rational, and we don't haverational people leading us
because of the system ofdemocracy that we've set up.
Democracy is mob rule.
We had a republic.
We have destroyed all but thevery thinnest of protections for
our republic, and now we're ademocracy, and democracy is
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always, historically 100% of thetime, ends in tyranny, and
that's where we're headed now.
So I invented a differentversion of a republic, called an
antipolitist republic.
Antipolitism is the system Iinvented.
It is a republic by merit-basedlottery.
You'll understand it when youread the book.
It's called A Radical Reset.
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It's there for you to buy onAmazon.
Pick it up on Amazon.
A Radical Reset by me, herbie K, where I lay out what
anti-politism is and when I sayit's the manifesto of
anti-politism, and it also laysout possible solutions to almost
any problem that we face today,based on rationality.
Now, none of it.
I didn't write the book like itwas a Bible being handed down
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from you know, I almost saidbeing handed down from Olympus
it's a mix of religions, butanyway, from Sinai, but anyway.
But it starts the discussion.
We have got to get away from.
The very fact that a personpursues power should be a
disqualification for powerbecause it indicates sociopathy.
Ok, but we'll discuss aboutthat.
I have discussed it and we'lldiscuss it again in the future.
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But if you want to learn moreabout anti-politism and how we
can save ourselves and have thefirst successful republic that
lasts in history, read the bookA Radical Reset on Amazon Kindle
paperback hardcover.
You take your pick, it'savailable on all three.
Also, please don't forget totell your friends how wonderful
this podcast is.
And that's it for today.
Have a beautiful rest of yourweek.
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I'll talk to you on Friday.
Possibly we'll talk about thecompletely stupid drug war, or
possibly we'll talk about what'shappened between now and then.
We will wait and see, orpossibly we'll talk about what's
happened between now and then.
We will wait and see.
In the meantime, remember ifyou have faith, please go to
church.
If you're wavering, waver onthe side of, go to church,
reestablish the values that madethis country great.
And if you don't read themeditations, in addition to
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reading a radical reset, doyourself a favor Pick up a copy
of the meditations of MarcusAurelius and read those.
It will open your eyes to theway life has to be lived.
A life to have value must belived with virtue.
If you can live that virtuethrough religion, great.
But if you don't have faith,then find philosophy and find
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your virtue there.
And Stoicism is in fact thephilosophy that says to live a
life of value, one must live alife of virtue.
Anyway, have a beautiful day.
That's my last and finalthought for now.
Final thought for now.
Does that even make sense?
But anyway, you guys get thedrift.
Have a beautiful day.
Talk to you next time.
It's Herbie out.
Good morning and happy Wednesday everybody.
This is Herbie K, your host forthe Spiritual Agnostic, the
podcast where we acknowledgethat at the core of the
breakdown of society is theongoing slow death of religion,
both in the United States andglobally, as science takes the
mystery out of the things thatreligion used to explain and
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faith has become something thatwas easy to have because it
explained everything around you.
To now, faith is believing insomething that objectively,
can't be true.
Now, the reason I'm an agnosticand not an atheist just to
explain it to you, those of youwho have never joined me before
is because I doubt it, but Ireally don't know.
You know I'm getting to an agewhere I'm going to find out
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before too terribly long, butwhen I find out I won't be able
to tell anybody.
So I don't really know.
Maybe there is a God.
I hope so.
I have what I would call ahealthy envy of religion.
I wish I could summon faith.
I wish I could be a part ofthat community actively and
participate, because I think thebenefits far outweigh any
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inconvenience of my cause.
And when I say that, I mean inthe Western sense, as religion
is practiced in lesssophisticated that's not the
right word less industrialized,less capitalistic.
Frankly, societies in placeslike Africa and in parts of
Central and South America, whereyou have largely an uneducated
mass, religion is still strongand is practiced in ways that
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let's just say, are going tohave to.
They're either going to getfurther and further left behind
between the gap between the poorand the rich, or they're going
to have to join the party.
But anyway, that's not whatthis podcast is about today, and
I espouse using.
You can't replace somethingwith nothing.
Religion is literally thefoundation of society, so if we
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don't replace it with something,we're doomed.
It doesn't matter.
You know what else we do,because we're advancing our
technology to the point wherenow our technology advances our
technology.
That's what AI is.
Ai is technology that thinks,and once it starts thinking and
thinking, I understand the widerange of what the definition.
Ai is technology that thinks,and once it starts thinking and
thinking, I understand the widerange of what the definition of
thinking is.
But it can perfect and improveitself, and you know that in a
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more of a microcosm sense and,by the way, I do this all the
time.
So you guys should try it too.
Go on the chat, gpt or grok.
I happen to prefer grok thesedays, but that's just me and you
know.
Talk to it and it I mean itreally.
It expands on the.
It's like talking to a realperson.
It expands on the conversation.
It helps with creativity.
It's a tool to be used.
You know there's a there's a bigdebate going on as to, for
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example, should students beallowed to use AI to write term
papers and so on and so forth,and the answer is just that this
is not what this podcast isabout.
But yes, yes, because they'renot going to uninvent it.
You know, I'm old enough toremember back in the day and
when I say back in the day,we're talking 1960s, when
handheld calculators first cameout and the kind that they would
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give you for free now in amillion different places was
cost over $100.
And that's when $100 in thosedays would be more like $500
today, when they just add,subtract, multiply, divide.
No memory.
That's all it did and wethought it was amazing and they
used to.
I'll never forget once I wassent to the assistant
principal's office for mathclass, literally because I was
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using one of those calculators.
My stepfather had brought onehome that he bought somewhere.
I forget it was a TexasInstruments.
I think I remember that Anyway,or did I just tell myself it
was Texas Instruments, but itwas definitely the calculator.
And the math teacher was MsHutchinson and she sent me down
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to the assistant principal'soffice, mr New, for using a
calculator.
And he said to me you know, youknow you're not allowed to do
that.
And I said, why are they goingto un-invent it?
I mean, even then I was a wiseguy and anyway it's turned out
to be.
Now, of course it's required tohave.
You know, when my kids went tohigh school they went to South
Point Catholic High School inTucson, arizona, a fine Catholic
college prep school.
And yes, I'm Jewish and I sentmy kids to Catholic school
because a little differentreligion isn't going to kill
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anybody and I liked the moralunderpinning of the institution,
generally speaking, and youknow we live in a country with
mostly Christians, so thisdoesn't hurt Jewish kids to
learn about Christianity.
Anyway, that was anotherdigression.
They were required.
I had to buy these expensive,again, texas Instruments that
I'm positive of, these veryexpensive Texas Instruments
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calculators that did all kindsof algorithmic.
You know, blah, blah, blah.
Math is not my strong suit, I'ma humanities kind of guy.
So, anyway, but what I do wantto talk about today is
immigration, and I want to talkabout immigration rationally,
because it's all over the place,and now I'm not going to get
into the politics of it, I'mgoing to get into the objective
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reality of it, and then,whatever your political
affiliation is, then that's justfine To have a country.
You can't have an open border.
I think that that's a commonrealization among everybody
except the stupid.
Now remember going back to anearlier podcast that I did on.
Stupidity is the greatest threatto our culture, which I do
maintain, and it's a theme I'mgoing to repeat.
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I'm going to repeat it hereStupidity is not a measure of
intelligence.
You can be extremely smart andbe stupid.
Stupid is when you don't listento anybody else but the echo
chamber in your head and thegroup of people you belong to.
In other words, you'reimpervious to debate.
You have made up your mind.
This is what you believe.
It doesn't matter whatobjective facts you're presented
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with.
You're stupid.
So I'll give you a good exampleof stupid.
Yesterday evening, when I wasjust basically multitasking and
I was on X on my phone and I waswatching some true crime dreck
in the background.
I was just basically enjoyingmy evening and there was a thing
about there was a march inPoland and it had a bunch of
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people carrying torches and themarch was this is subsequent to
the conservative candidatewinning the Polish.
I should say not a conservative, a nationalist candidate won
the presidential election inPoland, who is perceived as
right-wing.
I don't like the right-leftthing, so I'm not going to get
into it, but anyway, they'rehaving a march declaring that
Poland was a Christian country.
It was at night and everybodywas carrying torches and I just
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quipped on an ex-post.
That just is something that I,as a Jew, don't enjoy seeing.
Okay, so that set off theanti-Semites.
I had them coming at me fromevery direction to the point
where X stopped counting theresponses to my tweet, or
whatever Do they call themtweets anymore?
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My X post, whatever the hellthey call it.
Anyway, the nutcases came out ofthe woodwork and for about I
don't know a half an hour, Iengaged a few of them and a lot
of them were in Poland, writingme in Polish, which was
fascinating, because I don'tspeak word one of Polish.
And although Polish is a Slaviclanguage and I do speak Russian
, as I've told you, not only doI speak Russian, I can
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understand Ukrainian becauseit's so close and I can read it,
but that's because Ukrainian iswritten in Cyrillic letters but
Polish is written in anglicizedletters.
I forget what those letters arecalled, I forget what we call
our alphabet, but anyway theywrite there in our alphabet, but
it's all Slavic.
Anyway, it looks like amishmash to me.
So I was using Translate andtrying to figure out what was
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going on and these were very,but it all boiled down to this
they all hate the Jews.
And the point I made was is thatthere's a reason that every
single death camp, except forthree small ones, were in Poland
in World War II?
I just don't know if you guysknow that here's an objective
reality.
Okay, this is a good example ofdebating an objective reality
and how fast it can spin out ofcontrol in the world we live in.
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I made someone kept saying whydoes that bother you?
And I said because all thedeath camps were in Poland,
except for there were threesmall ones that were in Ukraine
and Belarus.
Two of them were in Ukraine,one was in Belarus, poland's,
the most anti-Semitic country inthe world.
It's not some kind ofcoincidence.
And you can't kill 6 millionJews and another 6 million
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gypsies and Slavs without havinga lot of local cooperation and
help.
You need employees.
You know this wasn't threeNazis with.
You know swastikas, you knowdoing it and nobody knew they
built.
There were no death camps inGermany, my friends.
There were no death camps inFrance.
There were no death camps inScandinavia.
There were no death camps inMussolini's Italy.
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There were no death camps inBohemia and Moravia, which is
what we today, the CzechRepublic and Slovakia.
There were no death camps inRomania, which was a Nazi ally.
There were no death camps andthe reason was the people
weren't anti-Semitic, generallyspeaking, in the general
population.
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Yes, the Nazis were fanaticanti-Semites in Germany, but the
mass of the population wouldhave never stood for death camps
.
They were okay with Dachau.
I've been to Dachau.
Dachau was a concentration campoutside of Munich.
Dachau was not a death camp.
It was a punishment camp forpolitical prisoners and Jews and
people died there and theirbodies were cremated.
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But it wasn't a death factory.
The death factories, the oneswhere they brought them in by
the train load, took them to thequote unquote showers, gassed
them, burned them and did it24-7.
Those were in Poland Okay,almost all of them and the worst
ones Auschwitz, majdnek,treblinka all in Poland, not a
coincidence.
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And the thing is is that whenpeople I bring this up, see, I
got emotional as I'm talkingabout this, as I had the
discussion people.
There was no discussion, it wasthe anti-Semites and the people
, me and the people who wereagreeing with me, and I just
broke it up and got away from itand blocked all the
anti-Semites and moved on.
The point of the matter isstupid is when you don't listen
to reason.
I don't know why I went intothat whole digression, maybe
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just to give you a feeling forit all.
But anyway, when you'represented, I'll use another
subject the climate.
On the climate, for example,it's come out in the last month
that 65% of the temperaturereadings in the IPCC report that
everyone's freaking out thatthe world is already one and a
half degrees warmer Relax, it'snot.
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Sixty-five percent of thereadings were taken in urban
heat islands.
If you don't know what that is,I live in one.
Phoenix.
Arizona is an urban heat island.
It can be 105 in Phoenix duringthe day in the summer, which is
going to be today.
So I'm going to use that as anexample.
But if you drive out of thecity and go into the desert, the
temperature drops about 5 to 10degrees because all the
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pavement isn't heating up.
That's just all there is to it.
Use your head, and then atnight, phoenix stays fairly warm
, where the desert gets freezingcold even in the summer because
, again, there's no concrete tohold in the heat, which is why
sometimes you'll seerattlesnakes out on the pavement
in the middle of the night inPhoenix in the summer, because
they're cold-blooded animalsretaining their body warmth.
So, anyway, but you bring allthis up to a climate cultist,
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and I call it a cult becausethey won't listen.
There's no point.
So what a rational person doesis disengage, but that doesn't
really advance anything.
So now let's talk aboutimmigration, the issue that I
really wanted to talk abouttoday, and what's going on.
So, rationally, we have to haveborders, and Trump has
successfully shut down theborder.
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That's an objective reality,and so you would have to come to
the conclusion, therefore andthis is why it's not being
discussed that in fact, theprevious administration, under
our senile president, literallyopened the border because the
laws haven't changed.
So one president has 20 millionpeople during his presidency
conservatively flock across theborder that are in the United
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States and the other one shutsdown the border, to where, last
month, I believe, the crossingnumber was three, not 300, not
3,000, not 3 million.
Three.
So okay, so now our border'sshut, but that is not the answer
.
And now we're talking abouttaking away student visas
because of what's going on withthe Ivy League, and I support
President Trump in his fightwith the Ivy League, because if
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you take public money, you can'toperate against the public
interest.
It's really, really simple.
And the people elected theexecutive branch who controls
that money, and if they make therules and you don't want to
live with them, fine, don't takethe money, but you don't get to
have it both ways.
So I support Trump in that, andparticularly because of the
anti-Semitism involved in thewhole Ivy League thing.
And so he's taking, but ratherthan using a scalpel, he's using
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a meat cleaver and he's takingaway the visas of, not just
students from the Middle East,but he's taking away the visas
of, or at least he's in theprocess of it and we'll see what
turns out.
But he's attempting to takeaway the ability to issue
student visas as new visas atall, and Chinese, latin American
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.
There's a lot of foreignstudents that don't come from
the Middle East and who are notanti-Semites.
And there are a lot of studentsand I can tell you this from
firsthand experience from theMiddle East who are also not
anti-Semites.
By the way, another quickdigression anti-Semite you
really, if you took the termliterally, would mean you hate
Arabs too, because Arabs areSemites.
So all the Semite is just foryou guys to know, is someone who
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comes from that region, thenorthern Africa, the crescent of
northern Africa, where theArabs and Jews live.
Those are Semites.
When you go south of that, intowhat's called sub-Saharan
Africa, that's where Africabecomes black.
But in northern Africa, fromyou know, like Tunisia, all the
way across to Iran, africa,they're all Semites.
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The Persians are Semites.
So to be anti-Semitic is to sayyou hate people from the Middle
East.
But of course now you knowcolloquially we we understand it
as hating Jews.
But anyway, I understand andthere, but there are plenty of
that.
I of Arabic students that I'veknown firsthand over the years
I'm not Arabic students studyingArab Arab students.
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My sister, when she was incollege, as far back this is
quite a ways ago, used toactually date several Saudi
Arabians, jordanians, becausethey have a thing for curvy
girls, and my sister is curvy.
So, and, by the way,interestingly, my Jewish sister
got a degree in Middle Easternstudies, a master's degree in
Arabic, and went to work at theNational Security Agency as an
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Arabic linguist, and she agreeswith me.
Okay, jewish girl who speaksfluent Arabic and can therefore
read their press.
It's not monolithic Like, forexample, mbs Mohammed bin Salman
, the heir apparent of thesenile king, by the way, openly
known to be senile King Fahd ofSaudi Arabia is out of
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commission.
He's still the king, buteveryone knows he's not there.
So MBS runs the country, hiseldest son, and he's not
anti-Jewish.
He gets along fine with Israel,in fact he's definitely going
to, sooner or later, dependingon the.
You know there's a war going on, so on and so forth, but
ultimately the Sunni Arab statesare going to join the Abraham
Accords and the historicaccomplishment, in my opinion,
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of Donald Trump that will lastfor the ages and put commerce
over conflict, as Trump says.
But what I'm saying is, you know, it's not freezing all the
student visas is a mistake.
It's a mistake on animmigration point of view for a
couple of reasons.
The first is we here in theUnited States.
Our population isn't keeping upwith our death rate, frankly,
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because we're not having enoughchildren.
There are lots of reasons forthat and we'll discuss those in
other podcasts the breakdown ofthe nuclear family and modern
feminism encouraging women tohave babies later and later, and
then them discovering that theycan't really have babies later
and later, and then themdiscovering that they can't
really have babies later andlater.
By the way, side note, if anyonesays to you as a woman, if
you're a woman, to freeze youreggs and then pursue your career
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and then you can have a babylater by, you know, having the
egg implanted and fertilized, da, da, da.
A lot of times it doesn't workand a lot of women are finding
themselves in near suicidaldepression over this, even as we
speak.
So don't fall for that joke.
If you want to have a baby,have a baby and then work your
career around it.
No one's saying you, as a woman, shouldn't have a career.
It can't have a career, but thesooner you have children, the
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happier you're going to be as awoman.
It's a simple fact of nature.
You want to know if you're inyour 30s and 40s.
Now you're a woman and youconsider yourself a feminist,
but not even a fanatic.
But you drank the Kool-Aid andyou put off having a baby and
now you're having troublegetting pregnant.
You can blame modern feminism.
Anyway, again a digression.
So let's go back to immigration, where I seem to have a hard
time staying on track.
Today, we basically we need thepopulation In order to pay for
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all of the things that we takefor granted, including Social
Security, medicare, for all ofthe things that we take for
granted, including SocialSecurity, medicare, medicaid,
the social safety net and we canget into the minutiae of how
all those are done, right orwrong later, but if you like the
fact that there is a socialsafety net and if you like the
fact that these programs forolder people and poor people
exist, we don't have thepopulation to maintain them.
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These are all pay-as-you-goprograms.
The Social Security Trust Fund,for example, is an accounting
fiction.
That was just something thatwas made up by Franklin
Roosevelt and it looks like itexists on paper, but it doesn't
really exist.
Because what kind of trust fundcan only invest in one thing,
which is government bonds, whichmeans that the government's
been borrowing the money out ofthe Social Security
quote-unquote trust fund foryears and the whole thing's
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unsolvent.
Blah, blah, blah.
It's really pay as you go.
When Social Security was set up,we had 139 workers for every
one retired person.
Today there are two.
I could go into a longerdiscussion as to how that
happened, but the number'sdropping.
We don't have enough peoplepaying in to support the people
that are collecting, and sincealmost everybody, when you bring
up the subject, particularly ofSocial Security, screams I paid
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in, I paid in, I want my money,then if you want to solve that,
you better be pro-immigration.
The only solution is going tobe immigration, particularly in
the short to medium term.
I've, then, deal with it rightnow, today, in the present that
we live in and in theforeseeable not that the future
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is ever foreseeable, but in theanticipatable future.
Let's say we have a seriousaccounting problem that only
immigration can solve.
Now we're very, very fortunatebecause we happen to live.
Our southern border is withMexico and the rest of Latin
America, which have thehealthiest demographics in the
world.
They're still having babiesdown there, and a lot of people
in Latin America in particularwant to come into the United
States, and they've comeillegally.
Now I understand that there are.
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You know people like thisEgyptian who burned up the
people in the March in Boulderthe other day, who have come in
illegally and overstayed theirvisas and yada, yada, yada.
But the mass border migrationis mostly Latino and most of
those people you know one of thearguments that's put forward by
people who talk about, you know, murders being committed by
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illegals like that poor girl,lakin Riley, in Atlanta always
retort with as a percentage oftheir population, illegal aliens
commit less crime than legal.
Well, first of all, that's animpossible statistic to
calculate, because illegalaliens don't submit to census
taking and poll takers, they'renot answering polls.
That's just a number, someonekind of extrapolated from what
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data they could get pulled outof their ass.
But let's say that's true.
It's also irrelevant.
The reason that that's anerroneous argument in the crime
perspective is that if you'rethe family of Lake and Riley,
you don't really give a shitthat the rest of the, and
neither does anybody else in thewhole country who understands
this.
And this is the differencebetween being stupid and smart.
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The people who want to supportunlimited immigration and leave
the illegals in the country tobe illegal the way they are
always say they commit lesscrime than the people that are
already here.
But that's a non sequitur.
You're repeating something thatlogically makes no difference,
because one is too many.
You understand that those twostatistics don't go together.
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It doesn't matter.
Maybe it's true, it stilldoesn't matter.
The fact of the matter is, forLake and Riley and all the
people that have been murderedby illegals and there's so many,
you can't count them they wouldall be alive today.
If the border wasn't opened upby Biden in the last term.
Lake and Riley would be alivetoday.
It's as simple as that, andthat's why people are really
angry.
But when people become reallyangry, they get stupid in the
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other direction and they don'twant to talk about immigration
rationally.
We have basically a war of thestupids.
We have the stupids who wantillegal immigration against the
stupids who want to close offimmigration, and we can't,
otherwise our country's going tocollapse.
We need the population.
So what would a rational, stoicperson do?
Now let's review the fourpillars of stoicism Justice,
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courage, moderation and wisdom.
Justice, courage, moderationand wisdom.
So what would a person who isbeing governed by those four
things do?
Well, the first thing you woulddo is you would say to yourself
already there's one of thecriticisms of the Trump
administration is they're notrounding up these millions of
people they said they were goingto round up and there's some
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criticism about that.
They're not good.
It's impossible Unless webecome Nazis.
Even the Nazis, okay, who couldkick down doors with impunity
and kill whoever they wanted intheir own population, couldn't
round up all the Jews in GermanyAt the end of the Second World
War.
There were over 5,000 Jewsstill left in Berlin, okay, who
were able to hide from the Nazisin the capital of Nazism, okay.
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So understand now.
They got most of the Jews, buteven the Nazis couldn't get them
all.
So the idea that we're going tostart kicking down doors like
stormtroopers, in violation ofthe Constitution and I know that
those with Trump derangementsyndrome believe that's already
happening, but that's againanother case of stupid it's not
happening.
It's simply not happening.
You can repeat, it's happeningover and over, but if you can't
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cite an objective, real examplein context in current time,
you're full of shit, have a PhD,but you're stupid, that's a
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good example of stupidity.
So, and conversely, if youthink that every illegal alien
is running around the streetraping and pillaging, you're
stupid.
And if your resistance to thesimple, objective reality, that
most of them are here becausethey want to earn a living.
And if you think they're hereto undermine the United States
and that's their reason forbeing, you're stupid.
Okay, they're here like everyother.
They just cut the line.
Okay, and that's a problem,because you cannot.
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If a nation doesn't have, if anation doesn't have laws and
borders, it's not a nation.
Okay, there's a reason that God, in the Noahide laws they were
handed down after the flood,there were seven.
These were called Noahide lawsthat were handed down after the
flood, kind of, let's say, arestatement of the ten
commandments, getting rid of afew of the extraneous,
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extraneous commandments thatdon't matter.
And it had the only affirmativecommandment.
There was an affirmativecommandment.
In other words, instead of thoushalt not, there was one
affirmative and it was you shallmake laws.
Thou shalt make laws, you shall, however you want to.
God didn't speak in old Englisheither, by the way.
You know who knows what he'sspoken, probably Aramaic, but
whatever.
Having said that, no laws, nocountry, no civilization.
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So what do we do about it?
So here's what a rationalperson would say.
The first thing we're going tohave to do is we're going to
have to declare an amnesty.
Now, as soon as I say that,that's like no one ever talks
about it because it's the A word, it's like I don't know, it's
like the modern equivalent ofthe C word.
You know, like that I used toteach my children although
everyone says the C word nowthat that was the worst word,
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that you can never use itbecause you can never take it
back.
But now it's been replaced byamnesty.
God forbid we should giveamnesty.
Oh my God, they broke the law.
Blah, blah, blah.
You're opening up the borderagain.
Listen the way to avoid it.
If you can, let's play chessand not checkers.
How could we avoid having anamnesty turn into a rush to the
border?
The answer is you declare adate prior to the day you
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declared the amnesty as thecutoff.
So let's say they declared theamnesty.
Today is let's see what istoday Today's June the 4th.
So let's say today, on June the4th, we declare an amnesty.
Magically the Congress gets abrain and there's an amnesty for
everyone that's illegal in thecountry to come forward and
become legal.
I'll get into how that happensin just a minute.
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You could do it as to May the31st.
Then today, june the 4th, youget a pardon.
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You get an amnesty.
However, you have to come in.
It's not an amnesty withoutconditions.
It's not unconditional.
Here are the conditions of anamnesty However, you have to
come in.
It's not an amnesty withoutconditions.
It's not unconditional.
Here are the conditions of theamnesty you have to come in and
get your orange card.
So you're not going to get agreen card Because you came to
the country illegally.
The penalty for that is therewill be no path to citizenship.
So if you come in, you're notillegal anymore.
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You'll get an orange card.
You'll get a social securitynumber.
You can work and live in theUnited States.
You can pay taxes, you can buyproperty and cars, you can live
in the sunshine.
You don't have to worry aboutthe police.
Your children, if they're bornin the United States, are US
citizens under birthrightcitizenship, which I don't think
we should monkey with, becausewhen you start playing with the
Constitution, monkey with,because when you start playing
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with the Constitution, therewill be unintended consequences
that we haven't thought of yet,but it won't be good.
So just this takes care of thewhole problem.
You can live and work here inthe sunshine.
The only thing is youyourselves, parents of the
children that are citizens, willnever be citizens.
You will never be allowed tovote.
This is the penalty.
You or hold office.
This is the penalty that youpay because you broke the law.
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Coming United States, on theother hand, you can now live in
freedom and most of them bethrilled out of their minds.
And I can tell you, living inArizona and a family in the
produce business, and that's whywe came to Arizona and I worked
and lived with Mexicans andfields.
I worked in the fields ofFresno and the San Joaquin
Valley and packing houses and Ispeak Spanish and I know these
people up front and personal ina way that most of you listening
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to me do not, and I assure youthey don't care.
They're not here to vote,they're not here to be in
American elections.
What most of them would do andI'll get to the next part of it
is they would go home part ofthe year, particularly the
agricultural workers.
The reason they stay in theUnited States is one of the
unintended consequences ofshutting down the border without
a good plan, without areasonable immigration policy
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because they're afraid to gohome.
They're afraid that if they goback home and for, let's say,
six.
They come up here, they workfor a harvesting season let's
say, in Yuma, arizona, workingthere and picking strawberries
or whatever they're picking, andthen when the season's over,
they go down to Mexico and theycome back for the next growing
season.
That's the way it was in theold days, before we became
irrational.
But today, and so many illegalsstay in the country because
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they're afraid that they can'tget back.
They paid a lot of money to getinto coyotes in the first place
quote-unquote human traffickers.
But how do you end all thathuman trafficking and everything
else?
No-transcript really want tobecome US citizens can simply go
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back to their country of origin, reapply at the local American
consulate, come back in theright way, get their green card.
It won't be held against themthat they made a prior mistake.
So that fixes.
Now every illegal alien is outin the open.
Okay, now how do we keep thisproblem from repeating?
Well, we have to come up with arational border policy and
immigration policy movingforward so that takes care of
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the 20 million behind this.
Rationally, what do we do aboutthe ones that still want to and
are going to come?
And the answer is we have anunlimited.
We need these people Understand.
The basis of this is theobjective fact that we need
these people to support ourwelfare state, basically.
So in order to do that, we haveto have an unlimited
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immigration policy.
So if you apply at a USconsulate in your country of
origin and if you do not have acriminal record of any kind,
where you're from, whether it'sMexico or Uruguay, not many
Uruguayans are coming becauseit's a great country.
But you know, like Ecuadoriansor whatever it might be, if you
don't have a criminal record andyou want to come here and work
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and you do not and you cansupport yourself when you get
here, you're not asking for asan immigrant.
No immigrant, until they'veachieved citizenship or with the
orange card, should be eligiblefor any kind of federal aid.
Now, if a state wants toprovide aid, that's fine, but I
warn the states any state thatstarts doing that and hanging
out the free shit here sign isgoing to get swarmed by the
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worst part of the immigrantscoming into the country.
You hang out the free crap sign.
The good people don't come, butthe bad people come like crazy.
And there are good and badpeople, sorry, there are people
that are permanently broken.
So you basically say you cancome to the country as long as
you can get here.
You don't have to pay a coyote,you know you can come, you'll
get a green card five years,you're a citizen.
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Work hard, yada, yada.
We need you.
It doesn't matter whether theyhave degrees or money or not.
Okay, because we need thebodies to go to work.
We have plenty of things forthem to do.
Okay, we have no shortage ofplaces for immigrants to find
their way and, by the way, starttheir own businesses and create
Again.
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Nothing's stopping them Takepart in the American dream.
The other thing that we have todo as part of a rational
immigration policy is kill allbilingualism.
The official language of theUnited States should be declared
to be English and all formsshould be in English, and all
official government signage allofficial government forms only
in English, not as we do nowwith Spanish.
On the other side.
The reason for that is notbecause I don't like Spanish,
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because I speak and love Spanish.
I literally spoke Spanishbefore I spoke English.
That's a true story, but I'mnot going to repeat it.
I think I've already told it inanother podcast.
Even if I didn't, it's not thatinteresting, but anyway, I'm
the furthest thing fromanti-Spanish.
However, a country has to haveone language because otherwise
it's not going to be a country.
Look at Canada and how theFrench speakers and the English
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speakers absolutely hate eachother.
And Canada is constantly on thebrink of dissolution more so
lately for other reasons, but Iwon't get into that.
And a country has one officiallanguage, that's it.
And the official language ofthe United States is English.
Everybody speaks English, theworld speaks English.
It's the language of commerce,and unless you want your kids to
grow up digging ditches therest of their lives, you would
want them to speak English.
So, like every other wave ofimmigrants, including my own
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grandfather, who came to thiscountry speaking only Russian
and Yiddish but learned Englishwithout any classes because he
had to.
Necessity is the mother ofinvention.
That's the way it has to be,because that creates.
That's how you begin toinculcate a immigrant population
into the country.
Now the other part of rationalimmigration is we have all these
students.
Let's go to the students thatare in the university systems.
What do we do with them?
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And the answer is automaticgreen card upon graduation.
As long as you haven't takenpart in a Hamas protest, it is
completely reasonable to revokethe visas and I was going to say
expropriate, that's the wrongword and to expel those people
out of the United States whobasically come here and try to
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sell hate, like anti-Semitism oncampuses.
You don't get to come here andbe anti-American and
anti-anything.
You know you come here.
It's a privilege.
However, most foreign studentsare coming here because they
love the privilege and a lot ofthem would like to stay and we
need them desperately.
We have a shortage of mostforeign students are studying
STEM subjects science,technology, engineering and math
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S-T-E-M STEM that's what thatmeans, and we need these STEM
graduates.
We don't have enough of our own, partially because of our
miserable public school systemanother subject for another day
but also because we just don'thave enough Americans that want
to do these things.
So if a Chinese national or aSaudi national or a French
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national or a Dutch national, orwhatever it might be, comes to
the United States to study hereand finishes their STEM degree,
they should be offered anautomatic green card.
If you'd like to stay, you canstay and become a citizen.
If you want to go home, go home.
But I'm telling you right now,if you offered the green cards a
large percentage.
I have no idea what it is, Ihaven't read a study, I'm not
going to pull a number out of mytuchus, but a large percentage
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are going to stay and we needthem.
This Senate are going to stayand we need them.
This is a rational immigrationpolicy.
Now, when you have a rationalimmigration policy, when anybody
who can come into the countrycan come into the country as
long as they're law abiding andcan get here on their own two
feet and apply properly to anAmerican consulate without a
quota, then there's no excusefor any illegal crossings.
That means the only peoplecrossing illegally are criminals
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.
Okay, now let's talk about thatvery, very briefly.
No, no, you know what.
There's another element to theimmigration crisis, and this is
where there's overlap.
These things do not exist in avacuum, and I want to talk to
you about the drug war, but youknow what?
I'm going to resist thetemptation of going into the
drug war in this podcast.
I think I'll talk about iteither in the next one or at
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least soon in the future.
The reason I'm not going to becommittal on that while I talk
about it on Friday is simplybecause something could happen
that I want to comment onbetween now and Friday.
That will change my mind.
But all things being equal, thedrug war is a big reason.
But anyway, back to the logicand what I'm saying as far as
immigration policy is concerned,when you don't have to chase
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down decent people, you canconcentrate your resources on
indecent people.
And since you're letting allthe decent people in anytime
they want to come, then the onlypeople crossing the border are
going to be the indecent people.
There are going to be very,very, very few of them.
In comparison, the decentoutnumber the indecent.
The indecent make a lot ofnoise, but they're a small group
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relative to the mass coming in.
So you can concentrate yourenforcement resources on a much
smaller number of people andmuch more efficiently catch the
potential terrorists andterrible things that can come
into the country that will stillbypass the legal system because
they could never get through it.
Do you understand therationality?
Now, all of this has beendiscussed in bits and pieces by
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other people than me.
Before these things workThey've been tried before,
they've been done successfullybefore but for various like, for
example, under Ronald Reagan,we had a Bracero program, which
was just what I'm talking aboutyou could come to the United
States, work, pick, do yourthing.
Go back to Mexico, come backnext year and work and pick.
It was all.
You were a bracero, a guestworker.
That's what it was all about.
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A guest worker, and it worked.
For some reason, we stoppeddoing it.
I don't know why.
It's politics.
Politics are irrational,politics are stupid.
Okay, so that's why, by the way, I invented antipolitism.
This would be my perfect segueinto the ending.
Rationality is only possible,okay, when, at least in the big
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picture of running a country,when the people leading us are
rational, and we don't haverational people leading us
because of the system ofdemocracy that we've set up.
Democracy is mob rule.
We had a republic.
We have destroyed all but thevery thinnest of protections for
our republic, and now we're ademocracy, and democracy is
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always, historically 100% of thetime, ends in tyranny, and
that's where we're headed now.
So I invented a differentversion of a republic, called an
antipolitist republic.
Antipolitism is the system Iinvented.
It is a republic by merit-basedlottery.
You'll understand it when youread the book.
It's called A Radical Reset.
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It's there for you to buy onAmazon.
Pick it up on Amazon.
A Radical Reset by me, herbie K, where I lay out what
anti-politism is and when I sayit's the manifesto of
anti-politism, and it also laysout possible solutions to almost
any problem that we face today,based on rationality.
Now, none of it.
I didn't write the book like itwas a Bible being handed down
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from you know, I almost saidbeing handed down from Olympus
it's a mix of religions, butanyway, from Sinai, but anyway.
But it starts the discussion.
We have got to get away from.
The very fact that a personpursues power should be a
disqualification for powerbecause it indicates sociopathy.
Ok, but we'll discuss aboutthat.
I have discussed it and we'lldiscuss it again in the future.
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But if you want to learn moreabout anti-politism and how we
can save ourselves and have thefirst successful republic that
lasts in history, read the bookA Radical Reset on Amazon Kindle
paperback hardcover.
You take your pick, it'savailable on all three.
Also, please don't forget totell your friends how wonderful
this podcast is.
And that's it for today.
Have a beautiful rest of yourweek.
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I'll talk to you on Friday.
Possibly we'll talk about thecompletely stupid drug war, or
possibly we'll talk about what'shappened between now and then.
We will wait and see, orpossibly we'll talk about what's
happened between now and then.
We will wait and see.
In the meantime, remember ifyou have faith, please go to
church.
If you're wavering, waver onthe side of, go to church,
reestablish the values that madethis country great.
And if you don't read themeditations, in addition to
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reading a radical reset, doyourself a favor Pick up a copy
of the meditations of MarcusAurelius and read those.
It will open your eyes to theway life has to be lived.
A life to have value must belived with virtue.
If you can live that virtuethrough religion, great.
But if you don't have faith,then find philosophy and find
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your virtue there.
And Stoicism is in fact thephilosophy that says to live a
life of value, one must live alife of virtue.
Anyway, have a beautiful day.
That's my last and finalthought for now.
Final thought for now.
Does that even make sense?
But anyway, you guys get thedrift.
Have a beautiful day.
Talk to you next time.
It's Herbie out.
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
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