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Staring down the barrel of a $38 trillion national debt, America faces an existential crisis that everyone sees but no one addresses. This episode challenges the sacred cow of democracy itself, arguing that mob rule may be the most immoral form of government precisely because it allows the majority to vote themselves benefits they don't pay for.

Our host takes us on a journey through historical warnings, from Alexis de Tocqueville's prescient observations about democracy's self-destructive tendencies to the folly of Woodrow Wilson's interventionism that sparked catastrophes throughout the 20th century. The uncomfortable truth emerges: when 80% of citizens receive more from government than they contribute, the mathematical certainty of economic collapse looms, yet remains willfully ignored by voters and politicians alike.

As traditional moral frameworks like organized religion lose influence in our science-driven world, we've lost the guardrails that once guided societal decisions. The resulting tribalization fractures rational discourse just when we need it most. But there's a potential solution in what the host calls "anti-politism" – a republic by meritorious lottery that removes ambition from governance while maintaining an achievement-based elite open to anyone willing to work hard.

The podcast presents a challenging but thought-provoking alternative to our current system before economic reality forces change through chaos. When the inevitable crisis arrives, will we be prepared with better options than the charismatic demagogues history teaches us to expect? This conversation couldn't be more timely as we face mounting debt and political polarization that threatens the very foundations of American governance.

Ready to explore alternatives to our failing system? Listen now and consider whether removing ambition from politics might be our last, best hope.

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Herby (00:01):
Good morning everybody, and a happy Memorial Day, monday
, may the 26th 2025, to you.
This is your host, herbie ofthe Spiritual Agnostic Podcast,
and today I want to talk to youabout an important subject.
But before I get there, I wantto pay honor to my fallen
brothers in arms.
I'm a veteran, not a warveteran, although I am Vietnam

(00:23):
era.
So Vietnam era means I servedbetween the beginning of the
Vietnam War and the official end, which was in 1979.
Although, as far as we wereconcerned, it was sooner than
that.
I just happened to or 1975, Ishould say not 1979.
What was I saying?
1975.
The Vietnam War officially endedon May, the 31st of 1975,

(00:45):
insofar as our government wasconcerned officially, as
represented by the ability towear a wartime service ribbon
that the military gives out, Iwon't go into it.
I have the right to wear itbecause I enlisted prior to the
end of the Vietnam War, but Inever set foot in Vietnam, so I

(01:05):
never called myself a Vietnamveteran.
I never even called myself aVietnam era veteran.
I only bring it up because oneof the most disgusting things to
me are people who pretend to bewar vets.
You know, vietnam vets, gulfWar vets, whatever it is and
they're not.
They're just, you know,stealing valor, like Tim Walz
did, for example, in the lastVietnam, was different.

(01:26):
The same story in the lastelection.
Again, I don't care who youvoted for, I'm just pointing out
that Waltz lied about hisservice.
I don't do that.
I'm a veteran, but not a warveteran.
I was nowhere near shooting.
I was a Russian linguist and,as I used to tell my family, if
I'm near shooting, we're all inbig trouble when you're a
Russian linguist during thatperiod of time, during the Cold
War.
But you get it Today.

(01:47):
I want to talk to you, and soanyway, before I go on, then, I
want to just pay honor to thefallen heroes that have fought
in our wars.
But so many of our wars werecompletely unnecessary, and that
in no way diminishes the valorof the soldiers who went to war
because they weren't involved inpolicymaking.
They were called upon by theircountry to, in their mind,

(02:07):
defend it and they did exactlywhat they were asked to do, and
they paid with their lives, andthey deserve honor, regardless
of the value of the underlyingpolicy.
Having said that, so many ofour wars were wrong.
You know, one of the revisionisthistory is a fun game to play.
And when I say it's a fun gameto play, I mean it's fun to

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pretend.
What if this had been differentand that had been different?
You know what would havehappened historically?
And of course, we'll never know.
It's just a mental exercise.
But one of my current favoritegames I play is what if Donald
Trump had been Woodrow Wilson?
Donald Trump had been WoodrowWilson, okay, what if we had had

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a non-interventionist presidentat the beginning of America's
greatest period of industrialgrowth and might?
What would the 20th centuryhave looked like?
And I make the case that, whilethere were vile and evil,
horrible characters, includingpotentially the most vile in
history, adolf Hitler, which, asa Jew, from my point of view,
he is the worst man in history,but if we're going by sheer

(03:10):
scale of death, he's only in themiddle of the pack.
Mao Zedong is the, I believe,the all-time worst mass murderer
in history.
But would any of that have everhappened had Woodrow Wilson not
been president?
What instead of Woodrow Wilson,who was the worst kind of fake
intellectual?

(03:31):
Woodrow Wilson thought he wassmart when he really wasn't
collected degrees and degrees.
My friends and I want topreface I have enormous respect
for those of you out there withMBAs and PhDs and multiple
degrees and lots of degrees arerelevant and important, and I
don't make general statementsabout this, but so often we

(03:51):
confuse degrees for expertise,and it's two different things.
An expert is someone who reallyknows what they're talking
about.
A person with a lot of degreesis somebody who knows how to
spit back the answers alreadygiven to them by professors in
such a way as to please them sothat they can get the degree.
They're good regurgitators ofsomebody else's research.
Okay, even you know, I used todate a girl years ago, and this

(04:14):
is before you know.
Everything got digitalized andelectronic and they used to
physically file all the paperswritten by professors.
So this was at the Universityof Arizona, which is just a
middling state school.
I mean, it's a nice school, butit's not Harvard by any.
Well, let me take that back.
In my view, it's better thanHarvard at this point, but I
digress.
Anyway, but you know what Imean.

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It's just an average stateschool.
It's no better than theUniversity of Missouri or the
University of Maine or theUniversity of Washington or
anything.
It's just a good state school.
Anyway, I dated this girl whosejob it was was to keep order to
all the theses, theses.
Is it theses or theses?
I have to think it's thesesbecause that's too much like

(04:55):
feces, but you know anyway.
So there were just, there werebuildings, buildings full of
these, of these book papers thatnobody read, is the point I'm
saying.
They were quote-unquote,published and then relegated to
a corner of a room wherenobody's ever going to read them
again, except to do the mostobscure kind of research for

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their own obscure papers thatnobody's going to read.
And that's the kind of stuffthat gets cut constantly.
Not that good research doesn'tcome from it, but anyway, the
point is these people allbasically smell each other's
farts and tell each other thatthey smell like roses, when
there's nothing that reallymakes them an expert other than
they have a lot of initials, andof course, we are in many ways

(05:37):
caught in the trap of expertiseof an educated elite versus a
practical elite.
And so today, what I wanted totalk about, that's going to be
my transition into what I wantedto talk about, and I'm going to
.
Oh, by the way, let me justfinish the thought I know I was
digressing Finishing the thoughthad we had, instead of Woodrow
Wilson, if we had had apresident that said it's
nobody's business, we would havenever entered on anybody's side

(06:00):
in World War I.
Woodrow Wilson was a snake.
I mean really a Ku Klux Klanpromoter, not just a member an
ugly racist.
Father was a Confederate maniacactivist general I think he was
or someone high up in theConfederacy a real piece of
slime.

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When he came in on the side ofFrance and England in World War
I, which was a battle betweenempires and had nothing to do
with us at all.
We had no American interest init at all, but he made sure that
we got tangled up in it througha number of machinations.
Next thing we know we're puttingour enormous industrial might
and our finger on the scale infavor of Britain and France,
thereby defeating Germany,causing Hitler, causing world

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communism.
I could go into the case of it.
It's a longer discussion that Iwant to spend today.
But had we not put our fingeron the scale so often in the
20th century, hundreds ofmillions of people would be
alive.
Today there would be no Stalin,no Mao, no Pol Pot, no world
communism, no Soviet Union tobegin with, no Nazi Germany, no

(07:07):
World War II.
You know, not to say therewouldn't be problems, not to say
there wouldn't be an imperialJapan, not to say that other
things wouldn't have happenedthat had nothing to do with
Hitler.
The marriage between Hitler andJapan were two different things
.
That would have happened anyway.
But regardless, hundreds ofmillions of people would not
have ended up dead if not forWoodrow Wilson, the biggest

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slimeball, in my opinion, inmodern history, a really, truly
evil man from top to bottom.
I mean, you want to talk abouthiding things.
The guy had a tendency towardshaving strokes the last six
months of his presidency.
He was a vegetable.
No one told anybody else.
And we had our first femalepresident, his second wife,
edith Wilson, who was runningthe country secretly in a truly

(07:50):
disgusting display, which is whyit's so important Slight more
digression before I get onto thesubject today why it's so
important that we uncover whatwent on during the Biden
administration, a coverup ofWilsonian proportions that is
clearly full of illegality,starting with parting themselves
from their own illegalities.
And we're going to find out whoused the auto pen and whether
it's going to be legitimate.

(08:11):
We'll see.
We will see.
There's a lot of time to comeand wisdom is called upon, and
wisdom is complicated and wisdomis gray, it's not black, it's
not white, it's gray.
So we'll see.
We'll let time develop.
I'm not going to continue tocomment on that today.
So today I'm going to talkabout, I'm going to paraphrase
what Bill Clinton said when BillClinton ran for president way

(08:32):
back in the early 90s for thefirst time I think it was James
Carville I might be wrong, but Ithink it was James Carville who
put a sign up in their campaignwar room, so to speak that said
, basically, it's the economystupid war room, so to speak.
That said, basically, it's theeconomy stupid.
Well, it's not the economy.
Today we are facing the mostobvious existential crisis that

(08:53):
we have ever faced as a countryand as a planet.
The whole world is staring intoboth barrels of an existential
crisis.
Everybody sees it, everybodytalks about it.
Nobody does anything about it.
It's the most unbelievablewillful case of public denial in

(09:13):
history.
Okay, well, denial is the wrongword.
I'm talking about, of course,the debt that is smothering us,
and it's all based on fiatcurrency, money with nothing
behind it, money that has novalue but the promise of the
government that issues it paperand ink.
Now, in modern terms, we'llcall it digital.
It's ones and zeros.

(09:34):
I don't even know how it allworks anymore, but the bottom
line is this we owe a tremendousamount of make-believe money
that we spent on products thatwere real.
We've run up unbelievableamounts of debt.
This debt is unsustainable byany measure of the imagination,
and President Trump, who has anopportunity to remake it, was

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elected to change everythingexcept spending.
As Mitch McConnell oncefamously said, no one ever lost
an election by spending too much.
Okay, people talk one thing anddo the other.
This is how we are willfullyblind.
All of us know about the $36,$37, $38 trillion debt.
All of us know and I'm mushybecause the number changes
depending on who you listen to,but it's up there.

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It's more than 100% of ourgross domestic product and,
historically, any country inhistory who has had a debt
greater than 100% of its GDP hasended up in a hyperinflation,
because ultimately, that becomesthe only thing left to
politicians who don't want todeal with the obvious, which is
what we're facing once again.
History doesn't repeat itself,but it sure does a pretty good

(10:39):
reprise of the setup everysingle time, and we are doing
exactly what every other stupidcivilization did, which is to
ignore the problem because itwould mean making hard,
draconian cuts in in freebies.
This is what.
This is what we were warnedabout by um.
Uh oh God.
What was his name?

(10:59):
Uh, oh God.
So the tip of my tongue startswith an N, back in 1815, I'm
losing my mind, but anyway it'llcome to me in a minute.
But we were warned about thisfrom the beginning.
The founders set up the countryas a republic, not a democracy,
on purpose, because and this isthe subject line of today's
podcast democracy is inherentlyimmoral.

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Democracy is immoral, democracy, democracy.
Protect our democracy, make theworld safe for democracy.
People need to live underdemocracy.
We've all heard it over andover Democracy, democracy,
democracy.
Democracy is the worst possiblekind of government because it

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lends itself to mob.
Democracy is a fancy Greekderivative word for mob rule the
rule of you know.
We were taught in school thatyou know.
We have majority rule in theUnited States, like it's
something that's good.
That's never what made Americaspecial.
America was never specialbecause of majority rule.
Every country has majority rule, regardless of the form of

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government, because when themajority of people get tired of
whoever's ruling them historyteaches us they find a way to
get rid of them through aviolent overthrow, through a
revolution, through anassassination, one way or
another, if the majority doesn'tapprove of who's running the
show, it might take a while, itmight take a year or two for the
whole thing to come together,but whoever that person is, who

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the majority doesn't approve ofor that regime is, will be
eliminated.
Majority rule is the constant ofhistory, not the exception.
It's the rule.
We call it different names, buta king is a king because the
majority accepts the king and adictator is a dictator because
the majority accepts thedictator.
They can only maintain anunpopular dictatorship for a

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certain amount of time and then,sooner or later, what comes to
eat them up either is they'reassassinated, removed or they
inflate their economies, likewhat's going on in Venezuela
with a popular dictatorshipthat's soon going to be a very,
very unpopular dictatorship, ifit isn't already, and it'll be
brought down regardless ofwhether there's a fair and free
election or not.
But our incessant promoting ofdemocracy is insane.

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We're promoting the most evil,horrible form of government,
because it's mob rule and themob has no values.
The mob has the only thing incommon with the that any mob has
in common is self-interest.
Whatever they perceive, theirself-interest at the moment is
what causes the mob.
So you know, people areinvolved in the MAGA movement

(13:34):
and they love president Trumpand they believe in what he's
doing and they want him to be adisruptor of everything except
the program that they're getting.
The simple fact of the matter isthat 80% of the population pays
no net taxes.
The top 20% of wage earners pay100% of the taxes, and I say
that.
I know that there arestatistics that right away,

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someone is listening right nowsaying you're wrong, that it's
the top half, and yada, yada,yada.
No, when you take the amount ofbenefit a person is receiving
against what they're paying forit, anybody who's getting more
than they're paying for is notpaying any net taxes.
So anyone who is not in the top20% of wage earners is

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receiving more, directly orindirectly, things like
infrastructure, clean water,yada, yada, yada is receiving
directly or indirectly morebenefit from the government than
they're paying for.
That doesn't speak to theefficiency of it at all.
I'm just speaking to what theyget.
And so when 80% of thepopulation, which is the vast

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majority, when 80% of the wageearners, which is almost twice
well, there's maybe anyway,figures lie in life's figures.
I was about to go explainstatistics, but then I realized
I was going to go down a rathole of mathematics which just
bore the crap out of you.
But trust me when I tell youthis the vast majority of people
talk a good game but aren'treally serious, and we're all a

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member of that club.
I received social security andit's the worst program of all by
far, by far.
We could shut down the entiregovernment right now.
Today, the whole thing, defenseincluded.
Shut it down, zero fire everybureau bureaucrat.
Send them all home and we wouldstill be running a trillion
dollar deficit every year justbecause of social security which

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we're through a a, an arc, anarcane machination of lying and
manipulation.
We've got the people believingit's some kind of a pension
program, when it's just nothingbut old age welfare and that's
all it's ever been all along.
But anyway.
So back to why I think democracyis the most evil and immoral
form of government is becauseit's in fact mob rule, and the

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founders knew this.
Okay, and they set up a systemof government as a republic, not
a democracy.
A republic is a fancy name fora rule, the rule of a generally
agreed upon elite that themasses agree, that this elite of
people that originally ownedland, who were male and white in

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those days.
Obviously that had to be gottenrid of, and the male thing, you
know, obviously.
But they were property owners,they had skin in the game.
Therefore they were people thatwere at the top of the income
ladder because they owned landand therefore they had skin in
the game.
And the thought was, by makinga property requirement to vote,
you would keep people fromvoting themselves benefits they

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don't pay for.
But Woodrow Wilson, that sameevil motherfucker sorry to use
the F word.
There it went.
I really hate Woodrow Wilson.
I think he is uniquely evil inhistory, not just American
history, but history in general.
Anyway, to make in general,anyway, to make a long story
short, woodrow Wilson got rid ofthe property requirement, along

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with so much else.
And here we are today at thebrink of our own
self-destruction because we'veallowed the masses to vote and
the masses will never votethemselves out of benefits.
It's just not the way it works.
There is no wisdom when we goto the four pillars of stoicism,
courage, justice, wisdom andmoderation.
There's none of those fourthings evident in mass psychosis

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and mass needs.
The masses only care when pushcomes to shove, when the curtain
on the voting booth closes,when they're voting from home,
in the privacy of their own home, and marking that ballot
however, they're going to markit At the top of it, whether you
admit it to yourself or not,for most of us is self-interest.
What is this going to do?

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We talk about sending ourpeople to Washington to do
something.
Why are they doing anything butbalancing the budget and coming
home?
Why are they doing anythingbeyond defending the country?
The only purpose, the onlylegitimate purpose of government
is to protect us from outsidethreats that we as a people
could not defend ourselves fromotherwise.
Other than that, thegovernment's only responsibility

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from a moral point of view andI'll explain that in a minute is
to stay out of our way, becausethe minute you begin telling
people that you know better, youcross the line from moral to
immoral.
You do not know better.
You do not know the situationof an individual, you just think
you know better.
You think you know betterbecause perhaps you're better

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educated.
You think you know betterbecause you've achieved more in
your life.
You make more money, you'veaccumulated more assets.
It's a natural thing to thinkthat you are smarter or better
Use whatever adjective you wantIf you want to delude yourself
that you don't think yourselfsuperior to the guy that lives
on the street in some ghettosomewhere.
That's fine.

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You can play whatever mentalgymnastics you want to play, but
in the end you still believeyourself to be superior.
When that translates intotelling somebody else how to
live their life, okay, youbecome immoral.
You do not live on a pinnacleto tell anybody else how to live
their lives.
What tells people how to livetheir lives are institutions

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that have been establishedthrough centuries of human
evolution that we are spending alot of time on today,
destroying Institutions likeorganized religion.
That's where the whole title ofthis podcast comes from.
The spiritual agnostic God isdying.
God, in many ways, is dead.
There's no mystery left.
Science has exposed what reallymakes the sun rise and set,

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what really caused the moon tobe formed and orbit around the
earth, what effects it reallyhas on the earth, what moves the
tides, where animals come from.
What evolution is Evolution?
By the way, for those of youwho are going to start screaming
, it's only a theory.
It's accepted theory.
The difference between theoryand accepted theory is while
we're never going to find thereis no missing link.
That's just a myth out ofcartoons.

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Evolution is a theory thatthere's no evidence to disprove
it.
In other words, everything thatis discovered on an ongoing
basis does nothing more thanreinforce the theory.
And since there's never beenanything contradictorily found
we haven't found dated bonesthat puts dinosaurs together
with cavemen.
I know that's simplistic, guys,but again, let's not dwell on

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details here.
You get the point of what I'msaying.
Nothing refutes it.
Therefore, evolution isaccepted theory.
Therefore, it's probably a fact.
It's not to say we won'tdiscover the magic wand of God
somewhere buried in the cave,but it's unlikely.
It's all likely evolution and Idon't mean to make fun of God
there, because I enormously Ishould have named the podcast

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the Envious Spiritual Agnosticbecause I envy what people with
religion have.
But today to have religion, tobelieve in it, you have to have
blind faith.
You have to believe in faithtoday, faith.
In the old days, having faithin God was not very difficult
because without science, youneeded an explanation for all
the natural phenomena, good andbad, that happened around you.

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Now that we understand whatcreates everything, from
evolution to thunderstorms andeverything in between, and why a
hurricane happens, why atornado happens, why an
earthquake happens, why badthings happen to good people.
We understand this from ascientific point of view.
The mystery is gone and whenthe mystery is gone, god dies.
Because in order to have faithin a time without mystery, you

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have to believe faith isbelieving in what can't be true.
You have to have faith in atime without mystery.
You have to believe Faith isbelieving in what can't be true.
You have to have kind of amiraculous mindset.
So you know, I'll go into thisin future podcasts, deeper on
where I think the nature offaith is, but for the time being
, my premise and you can acceptit or reject it.
Obviously you have a free mind,do what you want my premise is
religion is dying because themystery is gone, and then asking

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people to believe in whatcannot be true is a stretch.
The reason that, for exampleI'll use the Catholic Church as
an example, because we justelected the new American Pope,
pope Leo XIII, who I don't knowif he's good or bad and I have
no opinion on him one way or theother Seems like a nice enough
guy, but the point is that hespent most of his ministry in
Peru and the only reason theCatholic Church is alive today

(21:44):
is that it's healthy.
In countries with largeuneducated masses and people
that still believe insupernatural things, that could
happen.
But the more sophisticated thecountry and the more
sophisticated the technology andthe more sophisticated the
education of the people, theless God is prevalent.
So if you go to Scandinavia,people will still go to church,
but I don't know that you couldask anybody walking out if they
believe in God and get a firmyes, just saying they're doing

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it for cultural reasons,societal reasons, and then less
and less of them.
All the time God is dying anddead.
You know, I've said before inearlier podcasts and I'll say it
again in this one there havebeen approximately 10,000 gods
that humanity has invented overthe millennia that we've been
around and been civilized, andwe're just on the 10,000th

(22:27):
roughly 10,000th one, and he too, jehovah, will go by the
wayside, like all others, to ourgreat detriment.
Religion was the institution.
Think of it not as forget, thesupernatural.
It was an institution thatprovided the guardrails of how
people had to live, so theydidn't have to try to figure it
out for themselves what wasmoral and immoral.

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The institution laid down theguidelines and the path to
follow, and it wasn't thedifficult path to follow when it
was too difficult a path tofollow, like in Orthodox Judaism
that Jesus came from, he simplyand again, I know I'm
simplifying it, but Jesusbasically simplified Judaism
into a form, got rid of all therules like kosher laws and the

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strict observance of the Sabbathand so on that makes Judaism
difficult, all the ceremony andit basically morphed into a
religion that's much easier tofollow.
And then, when Catholicismbecame a little too draped down
by its own organization anddragged down by the weight of
its bureaucracy, that's whereProtestantism started to spring
up.
And then you know and what'sspringing up now, of course, is

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atheism, because people justdon't believe it anymore.
And this is a trend that wecannot stuff the genie of
knowledge back in the bottle.
When Eve bit the applemetaphorically, that might have
been very accurate to what we'vedone we have bitten the apple
of knowledge, we know what'sgoing on and we've killed God as
a result, and to all of ourloss.

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And so if we don't replace thatwith some sort of underlying
philosophy and a new way ofgoverning ourselves, back to the
point of this podcast, we'reall going to end up well, we are
very, very close to anexistential fancy word for
saying the end of our culture aswe understand it.
We are inches away from it.
We're staring into the abyss.

(24:13):
Donald Trump is our last hopeand he has no intention of
really obviously.
At least, I've seen lots ofhints that he understands the
problem, but he also understandsthat he too is not magical and
if he proposed all these cuts hewould become as unpopular as he
is popular today.
So he's staying away from itbecause, while the joke is he
could shoot somebody on FifthAvenue and get away with it I

(24:36):
think I'm paraphrasing what hesaid he wouldn't get away with
it if he took away any socialsecurity from anybody who
thought they deserved it,regardless of how wealthy they
are.
So that's the point I'm making.
So back to the point Democracyis inherently immoral and, yes,
let's use the word evil, it'smob rule.
A republic is what replacesdemocracy.

(24:59):
But what's going to happen?
So after a collapse, I am notoptimistic that America is going
to pull our fat out of the fire.
I'll be honest with you.
This podcast is designed to setthe stage to begin a movement on
anti-politism, the politicalsystem that I invented, which is
a republic by meritoriouslottery, which, if that at least

(25:22):
tickles your fancy, you canpick up a copy of A Radical
Reset, the book onanti-politicism, the manifesto
of it, which is available to youon Amazon in either Kindle
paperback or hardcover form byme, herbie K.
You can pick it up today and itlays out what a Republic by
Meritorious lottery system is.
But what it will do isguarantee that the parasites,

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the people, the parasitic classI won't call them parasites
there are probably lots of goodpeople mixed in, but they're a
parasitic class.
If you're taking more thanyou're paying and you're
indignant about paying more, youare a member of a parasitic
class.
Okay and so.
And the reason nobody wants topay more in the form of taxes
isn't because people, generallyspeaking, don't want to get what

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they pay for.
It's because they understandthat the government wastes most
of what it takes.
If Doge proves nothing else,doge, which is a failed
experiment, is going the way ofthe Grace Commission, and those
of you old enough to rememberthis, we've been down this road
before.
Ronald Reagan came to office in1980, and he appointed this
industrialist named Grace toform a commission.

(26:27):
Grace was the Musk of his day.
They formed this commission.
They found that just like Doge,just a slightly different
methodology Billions.
In those days there were notrillion dollar deficits.
The trillion never enteredanyone's Our economy.
I don't think was a trilliondollars when Reagan was
president.
Anyway, they formed thecommittee to get rid of all the
government waste.
They came up with all thesewonderful recommendations, they

(26:48):
were backed by all theconservatives and libertarians
and blah, blah, blah and it allcame to nothing.
And that's what's happeningwith Doge.
They found all this waste, butunless the savings is codified
and translated to a lot, itmeans nothing.
It's just a lot of mentalmasturbation.
And that's exactly what Dogehas accomplished to basically
satisfy the libertarian wing ofthe rational set of people that

(27:10):
are involved in the MAGAmovement.
However, the problem is not theMAGA movement.
The problem is not theDemocratic or Republican party
per se.
It's parties that they evenexist.
There should be no politicalparties, there should be no
representation of specialinterests, and as far as the
money in politics, which is whatthe ruling class does, is make

(27:30):
incredibly immoral things legal,there's an enormous difference
between legal and moral, and sowhat they've done is they've
made I'll give you a really good, open example of a typical
smoke and mirrors making theimmoral legal thing, and that's
the limit on the size ofcampaign contributions, when
that was proposed to limit themto $2,000, whatever the small

(27:52):
number is per individual.
All they did was create anadvantage for the incumbent,
because what a political partycan do is put out its massive
fundraising machine to raise allthese small donations in
various forms and use trickslike political action committees
and super PACs to raise moneythat are quote, unquote, issue
campaigns as opposed tocandidate campaigns, and make
all these ways around the ruleslegal that are immoral and call

(28:15):
it all campaign reform, when allit really is is a guarantee
that most of the money flows tothe incumbent and the incumbent
serves people going to Congresslike Joe Biden in their 30s and
then stay way past the point ofbeing even sentient.
Another Democratic congressmanwho I don't know anything about
him, died this week.
He was probably a nice guy.

(28:36):
Rest in peace.
But listen, you shouldn't be inoffice long enough that you're
dropping dead in office.
Unless by accident or somefluky thing, you shouldn't be
dying of old age in office.
You know Strom Thurmond was inoffice.
I know that's.
Unless you're old enough, youdon't.
That means nothing to you, buthere's a guy that served in
office until he was covering.
He was coloring his hair withTang breakfast drink.

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By the end, at least, it seemedlike that it was.
Just it's grotesque.
Okay, and we can avoid all ofthat through anti-politism.
Anti-politism is the perfectform of Republic.
No, let me rephrase that.
It's not perfect.
Nothing perfect form ofrepublic.
No, let me rephrase that it'snot perfect.
Nothing's perfect that evenbeings do.
It's as close to perfect as wecould get, and we're going to
need what comes next, becausewhat's going to come after the

(29:18):
crash here, I'm going to tellyou what the future brings, and
I know it as sure as God madelittle green apples.
What I don't know is the day.
It's coming, and I understandthat there are a lot of doom and
gloomers that have beenpredicting this for a long, long
time, and the way you can lieto yourself is saying to
yourself some form of well, it'snever come true, it's just blah
, blah, blah.
They're always saying that itwon't happen.
Yada, yada, yada.

(29:39):
They know what to do, likethere's a mystical force that
won't allow the horrible thingsto happen.
You're counting on the verypeople that you're envious of or
can't stand, to save the day,because they will want to
preserve the system that youpretend like you hate but is
really feeding you more thanyou're paying for.
And and you know it's, it's a.
We lie to ourselves while welie to each other, while we lie

(30:00):
in public, and we call it allkinds of names, but it's just
self-deception.
Okay, and and um, uh, you know,I'm still trying to remember
the name of that Frenchman.
It's driving me crazy.
Anyway, so I have such anactive mind.
You know, I don't know howother people's minds work,

(30:20):
because I don't have otherpeople's minds Mine is always
shooting all over the place,kind of like if you could see a
pinball machine and I know thatdates me a lot With the ball,
you know, you fire it up and itpings around those of you who've
seen movies about it, that's mymind.
It's pinging off of things allthe time.
And anyway, de Tocqueville Nowthat makes me feel better.

(30:41):
Alexis de Tocqueville, in 1815,wrote a book called Democracy in
America and warned us ofexactly what's happening now.
And he saw that, you know, 300years ago, essentially.
And so you know, or two, what?
No, I'm sorry, 210 years ago.
And was it?
Let's see 1850?
Yeah, right, is that 210?
Right, 19, 20, almost 300.
Anyway, math obviously is notmy strong suit, but he saw it

(31:04):
coming because this is whatalways happens in mob rule.
Okay, we're at mob rule, andwhat anti-politism is is it
breaks mob rule but it opened.
But what makes it perfect is itleaves the door open so that
everybody who is willing to makean effort can be part of the
elite.
It's an elite of achievement asopposed to an elite of anything

(31:24):
else.
It's not at least elite ofgender or race or even education
.
It's an elite of achievement.
It uses only one measure todecide who is eligible to be
selected in the lottery to serveus for a single term.
Everyone in antipolitism is aone and done.
And, by the way, it's a federalprogram.

(31:45):
If states want to adopt it,that's fine.
States are not nearly asdangerous as the federal
government because states don'tprint money.
The minute you allow somebodyto print money, you're telling
them to steal and print money inthe garage.
It's just a recipe for massivefraud and we are in a massively
fraudulent government.
We think we're in a democracywhen in fact we live in a
kleptocracy.
A bunch of kleptomaniacsstealing and making it look

(32:07):
legal, and what's going tohappen is a charismatic leader
will emerge from the rubble ofthe destruction that's coming.
There will be a number ofpeople that will hold them out
as pull themselves out as havingthe answer, and it'll be a
simple answer and it'll bepresented by somebody who knows
how to give a speech.
And if it sounds like I'mtalking about Hitler, I am, but

(32:28):
I'm also talking about what willbe the American version of it
when we go down the drain.
There will be American HitlersNow, not in the sense that they
necessarily want to commitgenocide, but evil takes many,
many forms and it always comesat you smiling, and evil always
looks good.
That's why it happens.
Evil isn't like in the moviesor in cartoons, you know, where

(32:51):
there are two-dimensionalcharacters that always think
evil and always act evil andalways do evil things and are
just psychopathic abouteverything and have no humanity.
But the fact of the matter isevil, people are always smiling.
If you really look at Hitler,for example, to use him as the
paragon of evil in the lastcentury or so, maybe

(33:12):
historically forever, and againto use him as the paragon of
evil in the last century or so,maybe historically forever Again
, that's another discussion, butcertainly he's in the pantheon
of evildoers.
He was very sweet with children.
He smiled all the time.
He had a warm and invitingsmile.
When he was in public he wasalways smiling.
Women loved him.
Children loved him.
He had like a lot ofpsychopaths.

(33:34):
I don't know why this is, buthe had an incredible connection
with dogs and animals.
He was a very human monster andthat is what's going to emerge
in the United States will behuman forms of monsters.
They won't look like monsters,they'll look like somebody.
Trump is not it.
I know some of you right nowthe trump, the range you're

(33:56):
going, it's trump.
It's trump.
It's not trump.
Trump is our last chance tosave the day.
Okay, under the old system, he'sgoing to fail.
I mean, you know he's wellintended, but he's going to fail
.
He's gonna.
He's accomplishing a lot ofgood things, infrastructure wise
, but in the end he will failbecause he's not dealing with
this oncoming disaster.
That it's the most predictabledisaster ever, but it's also

(34:17):
just as predictable that theentire population is looking
away from it.
And I'm not trying to persuadeyou to look at it.
I know that you're not and I'mnot you as an individual, as a
mass, because I don't expectsuperhuman morality to emerge
from a mass.
That's just not going to happen.
Instead, when the shit hits thefan, we're going to need an

(34:40):
alternative that isn't justanother form of suppression of
the masses and kleptocracy,which is what will emerge,
probably with some violenceinvolved.
Okay, especially as we havemanaged to completely tribalize
our country with all this racialand sexual identity nonsense.

(35:00):
This is all the tribalizationthat's.
The worst possible thing thatcould happen is tribalization,
because it fractionalizesrationality.
And so here we are, staringinto the abyss, and the only way
out, truthfully, if we want tohave a chance, if humanity and
this is going to be reallyyou're going to think I'm a far
out guy, but you know I'm notgoing to pivot just for a moment

(35:24):
to the Fermi paradox, which isput forward by Fermi, who was an
Italian physicist, enrico Fermi, who wondered where are they
all?
I mean, we're listening to theheavens, we've got our super
antennas and telescopes andlistening devices and nothing.
No radio waves, nothing.
There's no lights flashing, nosigns of intelligence, and I

(35:47):
should rephrase that, not somuch intelligent but sentient
life.
You know, I just want todigress again from my digression
.
My dog, pepper, is intelligent,but she's not sentient.
In other words, she has noawareness of her own mortality,
and there's an enormousdifference.
It's the awareness of mortalitythat drives innovation.
Okay, but that's not going tohappen on a planet where there's

(36:09):
only intelligent life.
Is life smart enough to keepitself from going extinct?
Whales are intelligent,dolphins are intelligent, dogs
are intelligent, cats areintelligent, birds are
intelligent, fish areintelligent.
They have the intelligence tosurvive.
They're not single-celledorganisms without a brain.
They have functioning brainsand they know how to survive.
That's intelligence.

(36:29):
However sentience, we might bethe only ones, and it might be
because they come to Fermi, or Idon't know if it was Fermi who
postulated this, but there's atheory that says we haven't
found them because there's agreat barrier.
There's something that destroysall sentient civilizations when
they reach that point and wemight be there now with AI

(36:52):
civilizations when they reachthat point, and we might be
there now with AI because we, asbiological beings, cannot
possibly evolve fast enough tokeep up with the machines that
we have created, thatself-evolve at speeds that are
by scales of quadrillions fasterthan we can.
And will we be able to controlthis and will it bring our end?
It'll be interesting to see.
But the thing that could light.

(37:14):
The fire of our ownself-destruction under AI isn't
AI itself, but the governmentand the regulation of the AI and
the elites that get in controlof parts of it and will lead to
our own self-destruction throughtheir own self-interest and
self-dealing, and the only waywe're going to break that.
The commonality of all elitesin all countries, whether they
are democracies or dictatorships, is that the people at the top

(37:37):
sought leadership and so by that, in other words, they wanted to
be the dictator or they wantedto be the president of
megalomania in many cases, andlends itself to sociopathy,
because the reason there's sofew good people in government in
any country is because mostgood people wouldn't want to

(37:59):
expose themselves or theirfamilies to the public, beating
that a campaign or public lifeinvolves, and so they just and
they have other priorities andtheir families come first and
their communities come first,and you know public approbation
is not important to them, sothey don't run in the first
place.
Yet they're exactly the rightpeople who should be in charge,
because they have no ulteriormotive to collect power unto

(38:21):
themselves.
And that's what antipolitismdoes.
It creates an elite of meritand achievement, not an elite of
education or desire or drive orambition, ambition is
eliminated from the equation inantipolitism and once you take
that out, we have it's our onlychance.
Friends.

(38:42):
Antipolitism, whether youbelieve it or not, in this
little lonely podcast in a tinylittle corner of the internet,
just starting out in the nick oftime, is telling you.
I'm telling you straight up,not telling you.
I'm telling you straight out,not me personally.
I don't think I inventedanti-politism.
I think I discovered it.
I think it was just in plainsight.
They're waiting to bediscovered.
It is a republic by ameritocracy of achievement,

(39:07):
selected by lottery, not by thepursuit of office.
Think about that generically andthen pick up a copy of the book
A Radical Reset A Radical Reseton Amazon by me, herbie K.
Pick up your copy, kindle,paperback or hardcover, give it
a read and tell me what youthink.
By the way, I don't hold myselfout to be a great writer and I
also don't hold that everythingI wrote in that book has to be

(39:28):
sacred like it's a Bible.
It'll start a debate and thereare people smarter than I am and
more experienced than I am thatmight be able to help polish it
up and make it better than whatI invented.
I'm opening up the floor todiscussion, but fundamentally,
I'm getting the ambition out ofpolitics and providing a way out
of this mess to where we wouldall be If we had an
anti-political Congress now.

(39:49):
This will be my closing thoughtfor the podcast.
If we had an anti-politicalCongress now this will be my
closing thought for the podcast.
If we had an anti-politicalCongress and an anti-political
president and vice president andno political parties whatsoever
and government was run asanti-politism, we would not be
in the.
We would simply not be staringinto the abyss that we are, and
we would solve the problem if wewere so.
But it's not going to happen.
I'll tell you now.

(40:09):
I'll give you a little hint.
I'm thinking about running foroffice next year.
I think I'm going to run forCongress in my congressional
district and I'm going to run asa libertarian, which means I'm
probably going to lose.
Unless the collapse comesbetween now and November of next
year.
The chances of me winning as alibertarian in a congressional
district is very, very long.

(40:30):
No one's ever done it yet.
I don't think I'll be the firstNow.
Having said that, why then wouldI run?
And the answer is I'm trying tostart a movement, and that
means publicity.
So I'm going to run forCongress and count on the fact
that I, you know forgive theimmodesty, but this is no time
to pretend that we're not goodat what we are when we're
staring down both barrels of aloaded shotgun aimed right in

(40:50):
the middle of our forehead,metaphorically speaking.
I'll tell you right now I'm agreat public speaker and I'm
going to count on thatcharismatic ability to speak in
order to get more votes than alibertarian.
Here's my plan I'm going to runfor Congress next year.
I'm going to lose, but insteadof the usual less than 1% or 1%
or 2% that libertariansautomatically get, because

(41:12):
there's that many libertariansin any given congressional
district I'm going to make mygoal to get 10% or more.
If I can get 10% or more of thevote, when the final vote comes
in November, it'll be nationalnews.
I'll have gotten more votesthan any libertarian has ever
gotten and I'll become acuriosity.
And then I'll get interviewedand hopefully from that I'll
springboard and start a nationaldiscussion on anti-politism as

(41:35):
a movement.
Now, as a movement, I don'tintend to ever run for office
again, and I use the word intendintentionally, because you
never know what the futurebrings and what might be a wise
course of action at some pointdown the road, but, as of today,
my intention is being a 68 yearold man is the start of
movement.
Bring people into it who aresmarter than I and grow it so

(41:59):
that, when the end comes whetherit's during my lifetime or
after there is something tocatch the mess and convert and
save the good parts of ourrepublic, which is that.
What made us special before wecompletely fucked it up for lack
of a better word is we didn'tprotect the rights of the
majority.
In America, we protect therights of the individual, and

(42:19):
we've completely lost that inthe tribalization and
collectivization that has takenplace simultaneously in this
kleptocracy that we've created,and the only way out is
anti-politism and we need, sincereligion is dying and we've
lost our moral bearing.
This is going to be our moralcompass.
This is going to be a challenge, my friends.

(42:40):
So I invite all of you who arestill religious and still
believe in decency and values tojoin with me and other people
who are agnostic but respectthat we have lost what made
religion special in our cultureand lost the track to run on and
lost our sense of culturaldecency and lost the boundaries
that kept it all together andthe underpinning and

(43:01):
foundational beliefs that keptus surviving, regardless of what
happens in the future.
All right, I could keep going.
I obviously am in love with myown voice, so I'm going to stop
right there before this runs onforever.
Thank you so much for joiningme.
It has been an absolutepleasure, as always, sharing
with you.
Again, don't forget to pick up acopy of a radical reset at
Amazon Kindle paperback orhardcover.

(43:23):
A radical reset by me, herbie K.
Feel free to comment, send melittle messages.
There'll be a link whereveryou're streaming this to get to
my Buzzsprout website where youcan talk to me directly if you
choose.
Also, support the show.
There's a way to support theshow there as well.
I would really appreciate that.
God knows I'm not doing thistrying to get rich or to achieve
power, but to start a movement,and that takes money, and

(43:44):
anything you can contributewould be very, very appreciated.
What else is there for me toshare with you today, I think?
Oh, don't forget to tell yourfriends about the podcast.
Share it around, yada, yada,yada.
You know the drill.
Thank you so very, very much.
Have a wonderful Memorial Day.
I'll talk to you this comingWednesday and until then, take
care.
This is Uncle Herbie saying Godbless you and bye, bye.
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