July 14, 2025 • 25 mins
Conspiracy theories fascinate us because they provide order to chaos and explanation for the inexplicable. In this thought-provoking episode, we dive deep into the psychology behind conspiracy thinking, using the recent Jeffrey Epstein controversy as a compelling case study.
The facts about Jeffrey Epstein reveal a complex individual - a talented financial professional who built a billion-dollar empire through education and hard work, while simultaneously engaging in reprehensible personal behavior. His desire to associate with powerful figures wasn't necessarily about building a "client list" for criminal activities, but more aligned with his craving for proximity to fame and influence. I detail why the much-discussed "Epstein list" never actually existed, despite persistent claims to the contrary, and how this misunderstanding has been weaponized across the political spectrum.
The Alan Dershowitz case provides a fascinating window into the reliability of accusations surrounding Epstein. When Dershowitz was accused by one of Epstein's primary victims, he fought back with irrefutable evidence disproving the allegations, leading to a withdrawal of the lawsuit with claims of "mistaken identity." This doesn't diminish the accuser's victim status, but it does raise important questions about memory, motivation, and the complexity of truth in high-profile cases.
What makes this examination particularly valuable is understanding why big conspiracies fundamentally don't work. The logistics of maintaining secrecy among numerous people over extended periods are virtually impossible - consider that statutes of limitations on conspiracy expire, creating risk-free opportunities to profit from revealing information. Someone always talks - to lovers, friends, in moments of drunkenness, or for financial gain. This fundamental truth helps explain why major conspiracy theories, from JFK to 9/11, fail under scrutiny.
Ready to separate fact from fiction and develop a more nuanced understanding of how conspiracy thinking affects our perception of events? Subscribe, share your thoughts, and join our community of critical thinkers questioning conventional narratives.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Happy Monday everybody.
It's me, herbie K, your hosthere on A Radical Reset.
Before we start the show, I'mnot going to be talking about
antipolitism today, but if youwould like to learn about
antipolitism which is convertingour republic, our democracy,
now descending into mob rule, asall democracies do,
historically, without exception,all democracy ends in tyranny
(00:25):
and to avoid that, I'm proposinga new kind of republic and that
republic is called ananti-political republic and it
converts public office from anambition and a career to simply
a duty to serve, and it's arepublic by merit-based lottery
and it's well thought out, Ipromise you, and the manifesto
(00:45):
of that is called A RadicalReset.
It's on Amazon, you can get itin Kindle paperback or hardcover
by me, herbie K.
What else do I want to sharewith you today?
And, of course, pass around thepodcast.
I wasn't going to talk aboutthis.
The subject matter of today'spodcast was something I was not
going to talk about, but now Ifeel compelled to because
(01:08):
somehow this thing has legs andthat's the Jeffrey Epstein thing
.
So let me, I mean, to me it'scrystal clear what's going on
and both sides have a lot of canpoint fingers at themselves.
Both sides of this, of this,this tempest in a teapot over
(01:30):
over this low life.
Jeffrey Epstein Okay, jeffreyEpstein was definitely a
disgusting human being, but hewas also a very talented human
being.
He was a self-made billionairein the finance sector and to do
that this isn't something youwake up in the morning, decide
(01:51):
you're going to be.
It requires an enormous amountof education and work and
research on an ongoing basis.
You're going to get to my pointin a minute.
So he was that.
He was also a fame whore.
He was one of those people thatjust loves to rub elbows with
the rich and famous and to dothat, he was both a political
junkie and he made his jetavailable as a favor quote
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unquote to the rich and famousand powerful because it got him
off.
Powerful because it got him off.
So it wasn't, you know, did heinvolve some of the people he
was dancing around with in hissexual escapades on his island?
I'm sure, but you know there'sonly 24 hours in a day and you
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have to sleep part of it andhe's running his business empire
at the same time.
Guys, he was an unbelievablelow life in his private life,
but he was a split and a lot ofpeople touched him that had
nothing to do with his sexualthing, and this is the reason
I'm bringing this up.
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There was never a JeffreyEpstein list.
Lots of reporters, professionalreporters, who know what
they're doing.
Jeffrey Epstein list.
Lots of reporters, professionalreporters, who know what
they're doing.
It's easy to use Google or Grokor whatever you want to use, to
look this up From the beginning.
It was released early on thatthere was never a client list of
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Jeffrey Epstein.
Okay, jeffrey Epstein hadclients of his hedge fund, but
that's completely divorced fromthe sexual nonsense.
Okay, there's two completelydifferent things.
So there was no client list.
You know, he wasn't likeaccumulating.
He wasn't blackmailing anybody.
All of that is a construct ofoveractive imaginations.
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Now I can understand why peoplemight think there's a list,
because I think there'ssomething in human nature that
looks for conspiracy.
Conspiracy is explanation ofthe disgusting.
Okay, that's what it reallycomes down to.
So all of us, if we get down toour basis roots, even our
belief in God, we feel likethere has to be an explanation
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to what happens to us in ourlives.
It can't just be random.
There has to be a certain planto it all.
Some people see that plan inGod, some people, depending on
the religion and I'm the firstto say I'm ignorant of what I'm
about to say, but see itmanifest in karma.
There's lots of different, butpeople try to attach meaning.
(04:23):
And when something reallyhorrible happens, um, like, for
example, the recent crash of theuh, the, the 747, or it was a
787, whatever it was over inIndia, it looks like you know
the, the co-pilot either, Ithink what he did cause I'm a
licensed pilot I think he, um,instead of raising the landing
(04:44):
gear, he, he raised the flaps atlow altitude and dropped the
plane onto the ground.
He may have turned off the fuel, I mean, but it's just plain
old human error.
But you know, when somethinghorrible like this happens and
kills 250 people or so on theground and, you know, just
destroys lives forever, peopletry to, you know, see, is there
some kind of someone to sue, atleast, you know, like
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immediately.
This is clear in thisparticular case, that had
nothing to do with the airplane,but that was the place where
most people went right away.
It was a Boeing airplane, afterall, and Boeing had had some
other problems and that fomentedconspiracy in people's minds
and yada, yada, yada, when itreally was just plain old pilot
error.
Most airplane accidents, by theway, are just plain old pilot
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error.
So you know, we have a tendencyto do this as human beings and
I completely, completelyunderstand this tendency.
I have it myself.
We all have it.
So let's turn to the JeffreyEpstein thing.
It's such a disgusting thingand he's rubbing elbows with so
many you know, rich and famouspeople and there's a natural,
you know.
Then there's the built-in envythat a lot of people have about
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rich and famous people and thethings they can get away with.
That we can't.
And this was just ripe forconspiracy.
But from the very beginning, theserious reporting that's been
done on this and again, pleasefact check me there was never a
list what there is is, are whatthere is, are what there is is
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depositions.
Depositions is plural what.
I guess we'll go with the what.
What there is is depositions,lots and lots of depositions,
and in these depositions andthere are photographs and there
are recordings there are a lotof people that touched Epstein
in the course of like using hisjet and this and that and the
other, but they are after beinginvestigated thoroughly.
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There's nothing there.
They weren't doing anything,they were just for lack of a
better term guilty byassociation.
And yet these are rich andfamous people and they're going
to get smeared.
Now, what underlines all of thecredibility and the reason that
there's a lot of reasons todoubt a lot of these accusations
is the case of Alan Dershowitz.
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So Alan Dershowitz early on inthis entire Epstein
investigation, it came out thathe was being accused by.
There is a.
There was one primary accuserof Jeffrey Epstein and it was a
woman named Virginia Joffrey andI'm probably mispronouncing
that.
She passed away at the age of41.
I think she killed herself.
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I'm not not entirely.
It could have been cancer.
I'm making this I you know whatforget.
I said that Just.
It just seems to be a tragicstory, but she was one of the
young girls that went to theEpstein Island and she was the
primary accuser of JeffreyEpstein, and this is going to
sound like I'm smearing her andI'm not.
You could be telling the truthabout one thing and lying about
another thing, but she wentafter Dershowitz and sued him,
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trying to get money from him,and Dershowitz because he was
innocent and had resources andis a brilliant attorney did what
someone in his position woulddo if they were innocent, which
is fight back.
And he had the receipts.
So the you know the all thesedates and times that she said he
was here and there and on thisIsland and that Island and this
plate and that plane.
Dershowitz had hard receiptsand and evidence and proof and
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close circuit you name itproving that this is all
bullshit.
Everything she said about himwas bullshit and so she withdrew
her lawsuit and claimed that itwas a case of mistaken identity
.
Well, you know, go take a goodlong look at Alan Dershowitz and
you know two plus two equalsfour.
Virginia got a little caught upin maybe how much money she
could make as a result of this.
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It doesn't diminish that shewas a victim of Epstein to also
understand that she was likelyto, you know, not exactly as
pure as Driven Stone.
Maybe the experience so scarredher that it turned her into
something of a sociopath herself.
Who knows?
I'm not a psychologist, but onedoes not negate the other.
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I want to make that very, veryclear.
But it does point out that sheis not she was not God rest her
soul an entirely truthful personand she was not above going
after somebody who had nothingto do with it.
So a lot of you know, she wasthe primary accuser of most, if
not all, of the people that arein this, this greater Epstein
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file.
Okay, so all of it?
There's just no, there's justno.
They're there.
What there is is a way to ruinthe lives of a lot of people,
and this is why the report isn'tgoing to be released or
shouldn't be released.
Who knows what they're going todo now.
Maybe redact the hell out of itand release it.
Maybe that's the way to get ridof this story.
But I don't know.
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I'm not a PR professional, butthere's a lot of smoke.
There's no fire here, and thereal reason that there's no
Epstein list is because therenever was and this is not news,
this is something that's beenout for years that there never
was an Epstein list.
Okay, so now we're clear.
That's the factual basis of thecase.
Now, now that I've gone afterall the people who were
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believing that this is you know.
Oh, and, by the way, I want tomake this crystal clear to all
you, democrats and RepublicansIf either Joe Biden or Donald
Trump was in those files, theywould have been released.
Remember that Biden had controlof those files through his
Justice Department for the lastfour years and didn't release
them.
And now Trump has control ofthem and he's not releasing them
(10:08):
.
And if Biden were in them, orHunter or somebody that he could
make crap out of, trump iscertainly not above doing it.
So you can all relax.
Neither Biden nor Trump are inthose files.
It flies in the face of reason.
So calm the fudge down on thatone, okay.
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So now let's go into where wasI going.
I lost my train of thought,okay.
So, epstein, you know, as I getolder, I just hate that.
Did I lose my train of thoughtanyway?
So so there's no there there inthe files.
Oh, now I'm going to talk aboutthe fault of, of what is the
fault of the administration andin particular Pam Bondi, and
(10:50):
what's going on with the Don,the Dan Bongino slash cash,
patel, patel disaster.
This is inside baseball.
Now, what's going on there isthat Pam Bondi stupided out and
she way overpromised tounderdeliver.
And, as I've spoken to in thepast, the quickest way to get
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people to betray you is to setthem up for betrayal by
betraying them, and you do thatby promising something that you
have no intention of or cannotpossibly achieve on their behalf
.
Don't make promises you can'tkeep is what it boils down to,
because when you do that, youbecome a betrayer and nobody
will ever.
You'll lose all yourcredibility as a human being.
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So Pam Bondi alluded to yes, ifyou go into what she said at the
press conference, and yes, shenever said that she saw the
Epstein list, that she had thefile on her desk, but prior to
that she had put out a binderand the binder was part one and
it was a bunch of stuff from thefiles, and then there was a tab
in there and this is what shehanded out to a number of
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mainstream sources and and, uh,you know, major podcasts and
political source, so on and soforth.
I need to take a sip of water,I'm a little dry now.
So, anyway, it had a tab thatsaid part two and there was
nothing behind part two alludingto there's a lot more to come.
So she, I frankly think that ifanyone needs to fall on their
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sword, it's her.
But what happened was is thatDan Bongino and Kash Patel,
following the lead of their boss, who is Pam Bondi, remember,
pam Bondi is the AttorneyGeneral.
The Attorney General is theboss of the FBI director, who,
in turn is the boss of theassistant FBI director.
So this is the.
There's the chain of command.
So they went out and fell ontheir sword and, even though
they knew there was nothing inthat file, they went with what
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their boss said, thinking thatshe had her reasons for doing it
.
And then, you know, shebasically threw them under the
bus by in her presence, when shewas next to Trump during the
cabinet meeting going.
And anyway, it's insidebaseball and everyone needs to
calm down.
There's no there there.
Now, if I were in Trump's shoes, what would I do?
(13:02):
Probably redact out everypossible name, not release the
photos with a detail explanationas to why, and then release all
the rest of the files and letpeople comb through them,
because there's no there thereand it'll blow out, it'll go
into the background, like allgreat conspiracy theories do.
And now I want to speak alittle bit to conspiracies in
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general, because, while thisconspiracy is going to fizzle
out because there's absolutelyno there there and it's easy to
double check, like everything Ijust said, it's easy to double
check, it's easy to go find out.
I know I accumulated theinformation and shared it with
you, but certainly you can goout and check every bit of
information that I just shared,and that's true of anyone who's
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being rational about this.
This is much ado aboutsomething, because I don't want
to say it's much ado aboutnothing.
Again, jeffrey Epstein was alowlife but he had a lot of
associations outside ofEpstein's Island and you know,
you just imagine that you took a.
You know you took a ride.
You're not a politician even.
You're just a well-known,famous business person or
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whatever it might be.
You took a ride on his jetbecause he offered it to you and
it happened to be convenient,and yours was somewhere else, or
whatever the story might be.
So you know, among thispowerful crowd, this is not an
unusual thing Riding on eachother's jets.
You know, the thing about a jetis it doesn't do well if you
leave it parked.
You need to fly it.
Okay, I speak to you now as apilot.
So you know, and there are alot of tax benefits to flying it
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and the burning fuel and so onand so forth.
So you have to look at it froma much more, let's say,
prosperous point of view.
You know everyone's doing eachother a favor, but you know it's
anyway.
So you wouldn't want to betarred by that brush.
I mean, you would have nothingto do with Epstein's Island,
just the fact that you knewEpstein.
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But there are people that youknow.
There are people that know allkinds of infamous people along
the way, and that doesn't makethem guilty.
I worked because I was acriminal.
I worked alongside people whowere involved in my businesses
and they were not criminals.
They just were unfortunateenough to be too close to me.
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By the way, I didn't turn onany of them and they all escaped
unharmed on purpose.
I wasn't going to go downblaming people around me.
So the bottom line here isrelax and and and there's
there's really.
There's no there there.
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Now we move on to broaderconspiracies, and there's so
many of them.
I just saw a poll that said themajority of democrats still
believe the trump russiacollusion story is is real, even
though it's been debunked, andit was clearly a hoax.
Um, you know, this is again themindset of people.
They, when someone reallybelieves something, even when
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it's debunked later, it's sohard to give up that belief that
you just pretend like it wasnever debunked, like it was
never said.
You know, I can't.
The worst victim of that of allis definitely President Trump
who's been the victim of.
I mean, like, the list goes onand on.
The Charlottesville thing wasone that went on and on and on
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and it was never true from thebeginning, but it still goes on.
You know, they repeat it.
You know, convicted rapist thatone's not only is, is the.
Is the um civil case going tobe overturned?
It's just a ridiculous casewhen you really look at it.
But the rape had nothing to dowith it.
Okay, so, like everyone, butthis, these are how these things
spread.
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People get these evil things intheir case when you really look
at it.
But rape had nothing to do withit.
Okay, so, like everyone, butthis, these are how these things
spread.
People get these evil things intheir minds.
They, they want to believe theworst and then, and then it all
makes sense to them and theremust be other people involved
and it must be also nefarious.
And you know, life just isn'tthat complicated and these big
conspiracies don't exist.
Little conspiracies exist.
Big conspiracies never existbecause there are too many
people involved.
I'm going to save you in thefuture a lot of time and trouble
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when it comes to trying torecognize conspiracy.
There can be a conspiracybetween, let's say, a couple of
family members or a mafiaorganization.
As long as they keep it, evenwithin a mafia organization,
they don't tell everybody.
If you keep it on a need toknow, on a very and the
conspiracy is short term, you'reconspiring to rob X, you know
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and and you're going to.
You're going to rob X, butthere's a date that's going to
happen and when it's over, thenthe conspiracy is over and that
conspiracy can be real.
But even that conspiracy istough to keep secret because
when one of those people arebrought down for something maybe
completely unrelated, they willbreak that conspiracy for their
own self-interest, to protectthemselves and to get a plea
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deal.
Well, in real life, when youhave these gigantic conspiracies
, starting with the Kennedyassassination which has now, he
was killed by a crazy person.
Lee Harvey Oswald was so crazythat the Russians threw him out.
That's the true story.
Okay, they weren't behind it.
He was too crazy for thecommunists.
So, yes, he did kill PresidentKennedy, there's no doubt about
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it.
But you know all the otherthings the turning bullets
so-called, which wasn't, and youknow and the extra shots that
wasn't, and it's all beendebunked.
And still there's probably amajority of people, or certainly
a significant minority ofpeople that still believe it,
but the reason that you know itcan't be true.
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Forget all the technicalities,forget all the moving parts,
forget the knoll and the hit,the gunman on the knoll and all
the other things.
Okay, forget all of that andunderstand that while the
statute of limitations on murdernever runs out, the statute of
limitations on conspiracy does,and it ran out decades ago.
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So if there had been a broaderconspiracy, there's a seven-year
statute of limitations.
In some cases it can beextended to 10 years, but the
year of the murder was 1963.
So by 1973, there was nostatute of limitations and you
would have to believe thatnobody involved in this
conspiracy tried to profit fromtheir involvement.
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Okay, it's 10 years later.
Maybe they've lost a fortune,maybe they're not living as
wealthy as they once did, maybethey'd like to live wealthy.
They know they have a hot story.
Nobody sold it.
Nobody sold it even when theywere past the point when they
could be convicted and you'dhave to believe that nobody
talked to their lover in bed andthat that lover never told
anybody else.
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And nobody ever got drunk at abar, and nobody ever.
It's just too many peopleinvolved.
That's true of the 9-11conspiracy and the so-called
bombs planted in the othertowers.
Someone had to plant thosebombs and you'd have to believe
again.
That was 2001.
The statute of limitations onconspiracy ran out in 2008.
Now, even guys, you'd have tobelieve that nobody talked to
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anybody or it was connected toanybody and nobody tried to
profit from it, which is just.
If there was really thatconspiracy.
It's an absurd assumption.
There are no big long-termconspiracies.
There's no such thing.
There are short-termconspiracies that terminate and
then are about an issue so minorthat they'll never be brought
up again and just dissipate.
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The conspiracies to commitcrimes.
Conspiracy to commit murder.
You know, half of murders gounsolved every year.
More than half of murders gounsolved.
A lot of those murders, I'msure, involve conspiracy, maybe
a lover, and most often a loverand a spouse.
Okay, that's a conspiracy.
And that conspiracy can workbecause, you know, assuming they
end up together or at least, ifthey split down the road,
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they're smart enough not to selleach other.
Whatever that one could work,although you can already see the
weakness in that one too.
My advice to all of you, if youever think of not conspiring to
commit a crime God forbid it'smurder or anything else is.
Don't do it because you'regoing to get rolled on.
Just assume that's going tohappen.
But anyway, that's what I hadto share with you today.
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Conspiracies generally aren'treal unless they're short-term
and very, very, very, very, verycontrolled on a need-to-know
basis.
And the Epstein conspiracy is noconspiracy and really it's all
been out there from the start.
It's just people putting ittogether and people on the right
using it for self-promotion andto create a stink, and people
on the left now feeding off ofit because they sense a weakness
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in Trump's armor.
Just, everyone, calm down.
This is all much ado aboutnothing.
We have a lot of seriousproblems to worry about.
This is not one of them, andthat's it.
Have a beautiful, beautiful dayand I'll talk to you again on
Wednesday, and God bless you.
Oh, don't forget to pick up acopy of A Radical Reset on
Amazon, the Manifesto ofAntipolitism.
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Don't forget to like and shareand all that other good stuff,
and let's see what else.
That's it.
God bless you, god bless yourfamily and God bless America.
Happy Monday everybody.
It's me, herbie K, your hosthere on A Radical Reset.
Before we start the show, I'mnot going to be talking about
antipolitism today, but if youwould like to learn about
antipolitism which is convertingour republic, our democracy,
now descending into mob rule, asall democracies do,
historically, without exception,all democracy ends in tyranny
(00:25):
and to avoid that, I'm proposinga new kind of republic and that
republic is called ananti-political republic and it
converts public office from anambition and a career to simply
a duty to serve, and it's arepublic by merit-based lottery
and it's well thought out, Ipromise you, and the manifesto
(00:45):
of that is called A RadicalReset.
It's on Amazon, you can get itin Kindle paperback or hardcover
by me, herbie K.
What else do I want to sharewith you today?
And, of course, pass around thepodcast.
I wasn't going to talk aboutthis.
The subject matter of today'spodcast was something I was not
going to talk about, but now Ifeel compelled to because
(01:08):
somehow this thing has legs andthat's the Jeffrey Epstein thing
.
So let me, I mean, to me it'scrystal clear what's going on
and both sides have a lot of canpoint fingers at themselves.
Both sides of this, of this,this tempest in a teapot over
(01:30):
over this low life.
Jeffrey Epstein Okay, jeffreyEpstein was definitely a
disgusting human being, but hewas also a very talented human
being.
He was a self-made billionairein the finance sector and to do
that this isn't something youwake up in the morning, decide
(01:51):
you're going to be.
It requires an enormous amountof education and work and
research on an ongoing basis.
You're going to get to my pointin a minute.
So he was that.
He was also a fame whore.
He was one of those people thatjust loves to rub elbows with
the rich and famous and to dothat, he was both a political
junkie and he made his jetavailable as a favor quote
(02:17):
unquote to the rich and famousand powerful because it got him
off.
Powerful because it got him off.
So it wasn't, you know, did heinvolve some of the people he
was dancing around with in hissexual escapades on his island?
I'm sure, but you know there'sonly 24 hours in a day and you
(02:38):
have to sleep part of it andhe's running his business empire
at the same time.
Guys, he was an unbelievablelow life in his private life,
but he was a split and a lot ofpeople touched him that had
nothing to do with his sexualthing, and this is the reason
I'm bringing this up.
(02:58):
There was never a JeffreyEpstein list.
Lots of reporters, professionalreporters, who know what
they're doing.
Jeffrey Epstein list.
Lots of reporters, professionalreporters, who know what
they're doing.
It's easy to use Google or Grokor whatever you want to use, to
look this up From the beginning.
It was released early on thatthere was never a client list of
(03:18):
Jeffrey Epstein.
Okay, jeffrey Epstein hadclients of his hedge fund, but
that's completely divorced fromthe sexual nonsense.
Okay, there's two completelydifferent things.
So there was no client list.
You know, he wasn't likeaccumulating.
He wasn't blackmailing anybody.
All of that is a construct ofoveractive imaginations.
(03:41):
Now I can understand why peoplemight think there's a list,
because I think there'ssomething in human nature that
looks for conspiracy.
Conspiracy is explanation ofthe disgusting.
Okay, that's what it reallycomes down to.
So all of us, if we get down toour basis roots, even our
belief in God, we feel likethere has to be an explanation
(04:02):
to what happens to us in ourlives.
It can't just be random.
There has to be a certain planto it all.
Some people see that plan inGod, some people, depending on
the religion and I'm the firstto say I'm ignorant of what I'm
about to say, but see itmanifest in karma.
There's lots of different, butpeople try to attach meaning.
(04:23):
And when something reallyhorrible happens, um, like, for
example, the recent crash of theuh, the, the 747, or it was a
787, whatever it was over inIndia, it looks like you know
the, the co-pilot either, Ithink what he did cause I'm a
licensed pilot I think he, um,instead of raising the landing
(04:44):
gear, he, he raised the flaps atlow altitude and dropped the
plane onto the ground.
He may have turned off the fuel, I mean, but it's just plain
old human error.
But you know, when somethinghorrible like this happens and
kills 250 people or so on theground and, you know, just
destroys lives forever, peopletry to, you know, see, is there
some kind of someone to sue, atleast, you know, like
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immediately.
This is clear in thisparticular case, that had
nothing to do with the airplane,but that was the place where
most people went right away.
It was a Boeing airplane, afterall, and Boeing had had some
other problems and that fomentedconspiracy in people's minds
and yada, yada, yada, when itreally was just plain old pilot
error.
Most airplane accidents, by theway, are just plain old pilot
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error.
So you know, we have a tendencyto do this as human beings and
I completely, completelyunderstand this tendency.
I have it myself.
We all have it.
So let's turn to the JeffreyEpstein thing.
It's such a disgusting thingand he's rubbing elbows with so
many you know, rich and famouspeople and there's a natural,
you know.
Then there's the built-in envythat a lot of people have about
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rich and famous people and thethings they can get away with.
That we can't.
And this was just ripe forconspiracy.
But from the very beginning, theserious reporting that's been
done on this and again, pleasefact check me there was never a
list what there is is, are whatthere is, are what there is is
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depositions.
Depositions is plural what.
I guess we'll go with the what.
What there is is depositions,lots and lots of depositions,
and in these depositions andthere are photographs and there
are recordings there are a lotof people that touched Epstein
in the course of like using hisjet and this and that and the
other, but they are after beinginvestigated thoroughly.
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There's nothing there.
They weren't doing anything,they were just for lack of a
better term guilty byassociation.
And yet these are rich andfamous people and they're going
to get smeared.
Now, what underlines all of thecredibility and the reason that
there's a lot of reasons todoubt a lot of these accusations
is the case of Alan Dershowitz.
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So Alan Dershowitz early on inthis entire Epstein
investigation, it came out thathe was being accused by.
There is a.
There was one primary accuserof Jeffrey Epstein and it was a
woman named Virginia Joffrey andI'm probably mispronouncing
that.
She passed away at the age of41.
I think she killed herself.
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I'm not not entirely.
It could have been cancer.
I'm making this I you know whatforget.
I said that Just.
It just seems to be a tragicstory, but she was one of the
young girls that went to theEpstein Island and she was the
primary accuser of JeffreyEpstein, and this is going to
sound like I'm smearing her andI'm not.
You could be telling the truthabout one thing and lying about
another thing, but she wentafter Dershowitz and sued him,
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trying to get money from him,and Dershowitz because he was
innocent and had resources andis a brilliant attorney did what
someone in his position woulddo if they were innocent, which
is fight back.
And he had the receipts.
So the you know the all thesedates and times that she said he
was here and there and on thisIsland and that Island and this
plate and that plane.
Dershowitz had hard receiptsand and evidence and proof and
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close circuit you name itproving that this is all
bullshit.
Everything she said about himwas bullshit and so she withdrew
her lawsuit and claimed that itwas a case of mistaken identity
.
Well, you know, go take a goodlong look at Alan Dershowitz and
you know two plus two equalsfour.
Virginia got a little caught upin maybe how much money she
could make as a result of this.
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It doesn't diminish that shewas a victim of Epstein to also
understand that she was likelyto, you know, not exactly as
pure as Driven Stone.
Maybe the experience so scarredher that it turned her into
something of a sociopath herself.
Who knows?
I'm not a psychologist, but onedoes not negate the other.
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I want to make that very, veryclear.
But it does point out that sheis not she was not God rest her
soul an entirely truthful personand she was not above going
after somebody who had nothingto do with it.
So a lot of you know, she wasthe primary accuser of most, if
not all, of the people that arein this, this greater Epstein
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file.
Okay, so all of it?
There's just no, there's justno.
They're there.
What there is is a way to ruinthe lives of a lot of people,
and this is why the report isn'tgoing to be released or
shouldn't be released.
Who knows what they're going todo now.
Maybe redact the hell out of itand release it.
Maybe that's the way to get ridof this story.
But I don't know.
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I'm not a PR professional, butthere's a lot of smoke.
There's no fire here, and thereal reason that there's no
Epstein list is because therenever was and this is not news,
this is something that's beenout for years that there never
was an Epstein list.
Okay, so now we're clear.
That's the factual basis of thecase.
Now, now that I've gone afterall the people who were
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believing that this is you know.
Oh, and, by the way, I want tomake this crystal clear to all
you, democrats and RepublicansIf either Joe Biden or Donald
Trump was in those files, theywould have been released.
Remember that Biden had controlof those files through his
Justice Department for the lastfour years and didn't release
them.
And now Trump has control ofthem and he's not releasing them
(10:08):
.
And if Biden were in them, orHunter or somebody that he could
make crap out of, trump iscertainly not above doing it.
So you can all relax.
Neither Biden nor Trump are inthose files.
It flies in the face of reason.
So calm the fudge down on thatone, okay.
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So now let's go into where wasI going.
I lost my train of thought,okay.
So, epstein, you know, as I getolder, I just hate that.
Did I lose my train of thoughtanyway?
So so there's no there there inthe files.
Oh, now I'm going to talk aboutthe fault of, of what is the
fault of the administration andin particular Pam Bondi, and
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what's going on with the Don,the Dan Bongino slash cash,
patel, patel disaster.
This is inside baseball.
Now, what's going on there isthat Pam Bondi stupided out and
she way overpromised tounderdeliver.
And, as I've spoken to in thepast, the quickest way to get
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people to betray you is to setthem up for betrayal by
betraying them, and you do thatby promising something that you
have no intention of or cannotpossibly achieve on their behalf
.
Don't make promises you can'tkeep is what it boils down to,
because when you do that, youbecome a betrayer and nobody
will ever.
You'll lose all yourcredibility as a human being.
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So Pam Bondi alluded to yes, ifyou go into what she said at the
press conference, and yes, shenever said that she saw the
Epstein list, that she had thefile on her desk, but prior to
that she had put out a binderand the binder was part one and
it was a bunch of stuff from thefiles, and then there was a tab
in there and this is what shehanded out to a number of
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mainstream sources and and, uh,you know, major podcasts and
political source, so on and soforth.
I need to take a sip of water,I'm a little dry now.
So, anyway, it had a tab thatsaid part two and there was
nothing behind part two alludingto there's a lot more to come.
So she, I frankly think that ifanyone needs to fall on their
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sword, it's her.
But what happened was is thatDan Bongino and Kash Patel,
following the lead of their boss, who is Pam Bondi, remember,
pam Bondi is the AttorneyGeneral.
The Attorney General is theboss of the FBI director, who,
in turn is the boss of theassistant FBI director.
So this is the.
There's the chain of command.
So they went out and fell ontheir sword and, even though
they knew there was nothing inthat file, they went with what
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their boss said, thinking thatshe had her reasons for doing it
.
And then, you know, shebasically threw them under the
bus by in her presence, when shewas next to Trump during the
cabinet meeting going.
And anyway, it's insidebaseball and everyone needs to
calm down.
There's no there there.
Now, if I were in Trump's shoes, what would I do?
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Probably redact out everypossible name, not release the
photos with a detail explanationas to why, and then release all
the rest of the files and letpeople comb through them,
because there's no there thereand it'll blow out, it'll go
into the background, like allgreat conspiracy theories do.
And now I want to speak alittle bit to conspiracies in
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general, because, while thisconspiracy is going to fizzle
out because there's absolutelyno there there and it's easy to
double check, like everything Ijust said, it's easy to double
check, it's easy to go find out.
I know I accumulated theinformation and shared it with
you, but certainly you can goout and check every bit of
information that I just shared,and that's true of anyone who's
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being rational about this.
This is much ado aboutsomething, because I don't want
to say it's much ado aboutnothing.
Again, jeffrey Epstein was alowlife but he had a lot of
associations outside ofEpstein's Island and you know,
you just imagine that you took a.
You know you took a ride.
You're not a politician even.
You're just a well-known,famous business person or
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whatever it might be.
You took a ride on his jetbecause he offered it to you and
it happened to be convenient,and yours was somewhere else, or
whatever the story might be.
So you know, among thispowerful crowd, this is not an
unusual thing Riding on eachother's jets.
You know, the thing about a jetis it doesn't do well if you
leave it parked.
You need to fly it.
Okay, I speak to you now as apilot.
So you know, and there are alot of tax benefits to flying it
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and the burning fuel and so onand so forth.
So you have to look at it froma much more, let's say,
prosperous point of view.
You know everyone's doing eachother a favor, but you know it's
anyway.
So you wouldn't want to betarred by that brush.
I mean, you would have nothingto do with Epstein's Island,
just the fact that you knewEpstein.
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But there are people that youknow.
There are people that know allkinds of infamous people along
the way, and that doesn't makethem guilty.
I worked because I was acriminal.
I worked alongside people whowere involved in my businesses
and they were not criminals.
They just were unfortunateenough to be too close to me.
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By the way, I didn't turn onany of them and they all escaped
unharmed on purpose.
I wasn't going to go downblaming people around me.
So the bottom line here isrelax and and and there's
there's really.
There's no there there.
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Now we move on to broaderconspiracies, and there's so
many of them.
I just saw a poll that said themajority of democrats still
believe the trump russiacollusion story is is real, even
though it's been debunked, andit was clearly a hoax.
Um, you know, this is again themindset of people.
They, when someone reallybelieves something, even when
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it's debunked later, it's sohard to give up that belief that
you just pretend like it wasnever debunked, like it was
never said.
You know, I can't.
The worst victim of that of allis definitely President Trump
who's been the victim of.
I mean, like, the list goes onand on.
The Charlottesville thing wasone that went on and on and on
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and it was never true from thebeginning, but it still goes on.
You know, they repeat it.
You know, convicted rapist thatone's not only is, is the.
Is the um civil case going tobe overturned?
It's just a ridiculous casewhen you really look at it.
But the rape had nothing to dowith it.
Okay, so, like everyone, butthis, these are how these things
spread.
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People get these evil things intheir case when you really look
at it.
But rape had nothing to do withit.
Okay, so, like everyone, butthis, these are how these things
spread.
People get these evil things intheir minds.
They, they want to believe theworst and then, and then it all
makes sense to them and theremust be other people involved
and it must be also nefarious.
And you know, life just isn'tthat complicated and these big
conspiracies don't exist.
Little conspiracies exist.
Big conspiracies never existbecause there are too many
people involved.
I'm going to save you in thefuture a lot of time and trouble
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when it comes to trying torecognize conspiracy.
There can be a conspiracybetween, let's say, a couple of
family members or a mafiaorganization.
As long as they keep it, evenwithin a mafia organization,
they don't tell everybody.
If you keep it on a need toknow, on a very and the
conspiracy is short term, you'reconspiring to rob X, you know
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and and you're going to.
You're going to rob X, butthere's a date that's going to
happen and when it's over, thenthe conspiracy is over and that
conspiracy can be real.
But even that conspiracy istough to keep secret because
when one of those people arebrought down for something maybe
completely unrelated, they willbreak that conspiracy for their
own self-interest, to protectthemselves and to get a plea
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deal.
Well, in real life, when youhave these gigantic conspiracies
, starting with the Kennedyassassination which has now, he
was killed by a crazy person.
Lee Harvey Oswald was so crazythat the Russians threw him out.
That's the true story.
Okay, they weren't behind it.
He was too crazy for thecommunists.
So, yes, he did kill PresidentKennedy, there's no doubt about
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it.
But you know all the otherthings the turning bullets
so-called, which wasn't, and youknow and the extra shots that
wasn't, and it's all beendebunked.
And still there's probably amajority of people, or certainly
a significant minority ofpeople that still believe it,
but the reason that you know itcan't be true.
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Forget all the technicalities,forget all the moving parts,
forget the knoll and the hit,the gunman on the knoll and all
the other things.
Okay, forget all of that andunderstand that while the
statute of limitations on murdernever runs out, the statute of
limitations on conspiracy does,and it ran out decades ago.
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So if there had been a broaderconspiracy, there's a seven-year
statute of limitations.
In some cases it can beextended to 10 years, but the
year of the murder was 1963.
So by 1973, there was nostatute of limitations and you
would have to believe thatnobody involved in this
conspiracy tried to profit fromtheir involvement.
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Okay, it's 10 years later.
Maybe they've lost a fortune,maybe they're not living as
wealthy as they once did, maybethey'd like to live wealthy.
They know they have a hot story.
Nobody sold it.
Nobody sold it even when theywere past the point when they
could be convicted and you'dhave to believe that nobody
talked to their lover in bed andthat that lover never told
anybody else.
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And nobody ever got drunk at abar, and nobody ever.
It's just too many peopleinvolved.
That's true of the 9-11conspiracy and the so-called
bombs planted in the othertowers.
Someone had to plant thosebombs and you'd have to believe
again.
That was 2001.
The statute of limitations onconspiracy ran out in 2008.
Now, even guys, you'd have tobelieve that nobody talked to
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anybody or it was connected toanybody and nobody tried to
profit from it, which is just.
If there was really thatconspiracy.
It's an absurd assumption.
There are no big long-termconspiracies.
There's no such thing.
There are short-termconspiracies that terminate and
then are about an issue so minorthat they'll never be brought
up again and just dissipate.
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The conspiracies to commitcrimes.
Conspiracy to commit murder.
You know, half of murders gounsolved every year.
More than half of murders gounsolved.
A lot of those murders, I'msure, involve conspiracy, maybe
a lover, and most often a loverand a spouse.
Okay, that's a conspiracy.
And that conspiracy can workbecause, you know, assuming they
end up together or at least, ifthey split down the road,
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they're smart enough not to selleach other.
Whatever that one could work,although you can already see the
weakness in that one too.
My advice to all of you, if youever think of not conspiring to
commit a crime God forbid it'smurder or anything else is.
Don't do it because you'regoing to get rolled on.
Just assume that's going tohappen.
But anyway, that's what I hadto share with you today.
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Conspiracies generally aren'treal unless they're short-term
and very, very, very, very, verycontrolled on a need-to-know
basis.
And the Epstein conspiracy is noconspiracy and really it's all
been out there from the start.
It's just people putting ittogether and people on the right
using it for self-promotion andto create a stink, and people
on the left now feeding off ofit because they sense a weakness
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in Trump's armor.
Just, everyone, calm down.
This is all much ado aboutnothing.
We have a lot of seriousproblems to worry about.
This is not one of them, andthat's it.
Have a beautiful, beautiful dayand I'll talk to you again on
Wednesday, and God bless you.
Oh, don't forget to pick up acopy of A Radical Reset on
Amazon, the Manifesto ofAntipolitism.
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Don't forget to like and shareand all that other good stuff,
and let's see what else.
That's it.
God bless you, god bless yourfamily and God bless America.
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