February 10, 2025 • 44 mins
In the latest episode of "A to Z," the fellas break down the absolute destruction of the Kansas City Chiefs in Super Bowl 59 thanks to the master class of Vic Fangio and the Eagles defense. Plus it's time to give Jalen Hurts his flowers! Is Mahomes broken, Cam Newton style? Could the Broncos win the AFC West in the next couple years? And the guys dive into what made Kendrick Lamar's halftime performance AWESOME!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Z Yeah, covering it all from.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
A to Z. Here's a Rod and Zach Siegers. Oh yes, indeed,
he welcome to it. Another episode of A two Z.
We cover it all from A to Z. I am
the A a Rod. He is the Z Zach Seegers,
And this is our Super Bowl fifty nine React show.
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I'm going to dive into absolutely everything x's and o's. Wise,
are also going to have some fun talking a little
halftime show Kendrick Lamar. Nothing better proved a generational gap
I think than that halftime show and the commercials. Not
a great year, but obviously we are here to dive
into the x's and o's. Well damn, I mean damn.
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Forty to twenty two doesn't absolutely know justice whatsoever? Or
sixteen points for Casey coming in the absolute garbage time
as you possibly could in this one. This was a
demolition derby, This was a destruction. This was an obliteration.
Zach Segers, the Kansas City Chiefs got boat raced on
the most national televised element you ever could have of
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any game. What a destruction, my friend.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
A destruction and a cathartic one at that. I got
to say, in terms of Catharsis or just joy from
a Super Bowl result, you know, definitely not one of
the best games I've seen in a Super Bowl, but
catharsis joy celebration. I think it runs number two for me,
only to the Broncos Super Bowl. And that's because I,
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you know, don't have any memories of the first two
Broncos Super Bowl victories, so I enjoyed and savored every
minute of that. I'm a little bummed Casey was able
to put some lipstick on the pig there, because I
think that was a really just truly historic beep down.
Yes when I loved.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
It, Yes it was well. I think the only best
way to also get into this is just a round
of applause for the one and only Vic Fangio, who
who once again just proves that this is one of
the best defensive minds, not just today but of all time.
The guy, the guy gets ring and I just when
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you Zach have a zero percent blitz rate with what
that game looked like, what he was able to do
with the front four, I mean, damn that that. I
mean it felt like it felt like they were just
sending the horse after him and it was just just
a front four. It was just it was just a front.
Not once did they blitz, and it felt like they
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were just all over an I mean, you just feel
like they were all over Pat Mahomes, all over that
offensive line, and Vic Fangio just once again just dials
up an absolute gem and quite possibly not even for me,
possibly for me, helped dial up the worst performance I've
ever seen from Pat Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs
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offense in this during this dynasty run that they've been on.
Do you do you agree is that the worst you've
ever seen them? Look? Because to me that was number
one for me.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, no, I think it absolutely is number one. And
it's because everything with the defense was working in concert. Absolutely,
you know, they were whipping them with four you know,
not bringing blitzes. You had a few simulated pressures in there,
but just a lot of a lot of twists and
stunts and just murdering that Chiefs offensive line with those
I mean, it's kind of basic stuff. That's stuff that's
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been around for a long time, but just whipping the
Chiefs with it. But even then, the time to pressure
the time to sack was fairly long, like Mahomes had
a while in the pocket until later on in the
game when his O line really started getting worn down.
It was just the coverage was so sticky downfield. Whenever
we would see an end zone angle shot of the
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coverage downfield, it was lockdown. I think that Cooper Jajene
picked six like encapsulated the matchups so well. Where you
see Mahomes kind of finally escape get out of the pocket,
it looks like you're gonna see the same old Mahomes
wizardry on like a third and long where he whips
one downfield and it's a thirty yard play somehow, and
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he whips it downfield and it's a Cooper dejen right there,
lands at his lap and he takes it back for six.
It just man, even the numbers back it up. I mean,
this is Mahomes's first half is one of the ten
worst first halfs by EPA per play that any quarterback
has had since two thousand and the contemporaries there are
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like Davis Mills, Sam Darnold in the I'm Seeing Ghosts
game against the Belichick Patriots. It is. It was a
historically bad performance not only for Mahomes, but by any
quarterback this century.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah. Well for Pat it may not have been seeing goes,
but for him it was tunnel vision because he had
absolutely no game outside the numbers in terms of in
terms of escapability, I don't understand if it doesn't work,
I mean the definition of insanity in terms of every
time he would try to escape or try to force him,
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he would go straight up the gut and just get
swallowed up every single time. In this game, that really
made the difference because typically you see if Mahomes doesn't
you know, doesn't have his guy, doesn't have a read,
doesn't have a second read, he'll escape. But I usually
see him be a little bit more cerebral and understanding
that if it's not there for you to go up
straight up the gut, escape a bit and get out
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to the outside. But he every single time he would
try to escape right up the middle, he would just
get eaten up every single time, every single time. So
it was yeah, it was crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
The chiev or sorry, the Eagles pass prush was just
so smart with that too. They weren't rushing over aggressively,
they were kind of like just slowly constricting the prof pocket.
They didn't want to allow any of those lanes for
Mahomes to escape. It was like you said about Fano,
this was a master class. Yeah, I think this, And
because you know some of the other great defensive performances,
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like the Bucks that's against you know, Rich Gannon, uh
you know the uh what the the Sorry Ravens in
two thousand, that's against Kerrie Collins. You know, the eighty
five Bears. That's against Steve Grogan. I think it's the
Seahawks against Peyton Manning, I hate to say it. And
then this one against Patrick Mahomes. Of course, I think
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these are those are the two best defensive performances we've
seen in a Super Bowl. It was absolute maybe seven
with Spags shutting down the legendary Patriots offense, but I
mean on the Mount rushmore undeniably in terms of just
best defensive game plans we've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, per pff. So again we mentioned zero blitzes, which
is just unreal. Twenty six pressure, six sacks on forty
two point nine percent pressure percentage. I mean again, when
I you think when you watch that, you're like, okay,
a couple of those had to have been a Blitzer
felt like a blitz because you obviously you're not You're
not keeping your eyes on the on the D line
the entire time and understanding if they're you know, if
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they ever blitzed, but to see that they never did again.
I I'm not saying I'm not gonna go as far
to say that Vic Fanjo should have another opportunity as
a head coach, because I think defensive coordinator is clearly
his cup of tea, and I think his defensive units
love him. But that masterclass in itself at least has
earned you a couple of interviews. I mean in the
in the next cycle. I obviously understand that you know,
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the last the last, uh, the last one is going
to the Saints. It's gonna be killing more so there
is any left available. But but damn it, just at
least worth a chat, Just just that immaculate performance. You
pair him with the right OC in the right spot
sometime down the road. I mean that performance alone, the
elite level of that, knowing what Pat Mahomes and the
Chiefs have done over the years, and just to for
have them look that dreadful, I mean, the the level
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of how bad that they looked I've I've never seen that,
and again, take a take a page out of the
Denver Brown because Pat mahomes is Chiefs either win a
super Bowl, they get blown out in the super Bowl.
That is now the new that's the new mantra. So
they're taking a page out of their division rival Broncos
because that's usually how it goes for Denver. But you
make them look that bad. I mean that's again, we
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cannot say enough about that defensive performance.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Zach No, you can't. It was just epic in so
many ways. Nolan Smith, you talked about I'm not being
able to escape the poets. Some of that's Nolan Smith too.
I mean, there's a million guys you could talk about.
Cooper de Gene had an incredible game, Quinion Mitchell was
out of his mind. But yeah, Nolan Smith popped out
to me like crazy, We're talking about two hundred and
forty pound edge defender, a lighter guy kind of like
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Nick Bedido runs a four four forty and then the
Chiefs are running, you know, these power run plays where
you've got Trey Smith, who's about to make twenty million
plus a year in free agency as a polling guard.
Maybe the best run blocking guard in the NFL. Yes,
and he gets stood up by tiny little Nolan Smith.
I mean, uh Duan Smith puts such a big leap
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this year. I'm excited to see what he's going to
be in the future because he Guys that are as
small and move like him should not have that power
in their game, and it is. It is fun to
see just the Eagles, honestly, I think that's what this
game came down to. He just had the dudes. You know,
when uh Saquan wasn't getting getting stuff going on the
ground because Casey was watting all that up. It allowed
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Jalen Hurts to take one on one shots downfield with
the Vonta Smith and AJ Brown and AJ Brown just
sunned Trent McDuffie over and over and over again, even
when he got a bs OPI to negay one of them.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, uh yeah. That that that that was terrible. I
understand in terms of the hands of the face aspect
of it. But that that was that was that was terrible.
But two more on the defensive side, by the way,
before we move on, Josh Wett have a damn day.
Oh my god, I mean the two and a half
sacks doesn't even do it. Justice also had six total tackles,
a couple tackle for loss to throw in there as
well three quarterback hits. Josh Wett just dominant. And then
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we gotta say here, especially to tie in the Denver Broncos,
George Peyton, Sean Payton and company, you have one priority
before all else. And this come from me because I
know I want them to add a runner in free agency.
I want them to get at a top tier wide receiver,
whther be in the draft or or in free agency.
Your number one priority is Zach frickin Bond, Zach Frickin' Bond,
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Zach Bond, as Jamis said, They're opening night, had some
fun with them there. You you gotta get this guy
in Denver. Sean knows him, Sean loves him, Sean drafted him,
Sean traded up for him. Zach Bond was very complimentary
when I asked him about it. You could tell that
the smile on Zach's face. He's a big Sean Payton fan.
Get it done. Get this guy in the freaking building.
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Zach is a monster. Led the entire Eagles in tackles
last night, just a I the meteoric rise of Zach
bond from the beginning of the season to what he became.
I mean, and then in this game, just just a
beautiful chef's kiss cherry on top Zach. Is there anyone
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that you would rather have the Broncos target than than
Zach Bonders even number one target for the Denver Broncos
in free agency?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
He's number one by a mile. I think you're right.
I don't think he will get out there. I think
the Eagles will be smart enough to make sure he
stays in Philadelphia. But if by any means he does
get out there, yeah, back up the Walmart Brinks truck
and give him a giant bag of cash. He'd be perfect.
The Broncos have big needs at inside linebacker. They have
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a lot of questions as to how they're gonna go
about filling those needs. So it just makes sense in
that regard. But it's also a great fit with Vance Joseph.
Vance Joseph was the guy who drafted Isaiah Simmons, the
guy who drafted a Zavion Collins, another kind of linebacker,
edge hybrid player coming out of wherever he came out of.
I think it was Texas. Tech. I can't remember now,
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but he loves those kind of freaky athlete. Are they
a linebacker? Are they edge rusher hybrids? The problem is
he hasn't been able to develop them. Well. Zach Bond's
pre made. You can just plug that guy in and roll. Also,
the Bronco we saw in the playoff game, they had
a problem being a little light against the run. Part
of what's been so amazing with Zach Bond is he
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can come down and be that edge setting presence in
the run game because he's strong in power and powerful
enough force he can blitz. I mean, he fills a
lot of different needs for the Denver Broncos. I think
it'd be an idyllic fit. And the ceiling's not there.
I don't think we necessarily hit the ceiling with him
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yet because this was his first ever season playing this
position and he picked it up very, very quickly. But
I think there's a great chance he continues to grow
and develop, which is very scary to think about because
he was an All Pro this year, a first team
All Pro.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
That's what I was about, say, first team All Pro,
Pro Bowl. Just a fantastic season for him. Whether it
comes to them or not big, big shout out congrats
to him for just an immaculate season, a dream season,
a career defining, money making season for him, so that
that was just a cherry on top. So fun to
see him flipping into the offensive side for the Eagles,
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which really interesting if I were to tell you that
Saquon Barkley had twenty five carries for fifty seven yards
a two point three average, and then you watch the
game the way they went down and Saquon never broke
that one, never found the end zone. All my parlays
that had that as a part of it are hurting
right now. If I were to tell you that, Satelline,
you don't think the Eagles take this game, because we
all said, most of us said that the Eagles have
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to have Sequon go off. He has to have a
day for Philly to have a chance. Well, even though
it might cause some issues for the Saints in terms
of running game based on this plan of attack, because
you bang your head against the brick wall enough times
with Saquon straight up the gut and with no creativity,
that didn't wound up not being to their detriment. They
wound up still fighting their way because oh, I don't know.
Jalen Hurts has the most rushing yards I believe ever
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for a quarterback in a Super Bowl with seventy two,
and then he goes seventeen twenty two in the air,
two ur and twenty one yards two touchdowns. It'd have
that one pick, But Zach, I think it's time to
give Jalen Hurts his frickin flowers because we have not
given this guy enough props for what he's been able
to do so far in his career. And this is
just again talk about cherry on top Jalen Hurts. He's
a long way away from being bench for Tua.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, it's crazy to think that that ever happened. Yeah,
and you know Spags both these Super Bowls against the Eagles,
they set out with the game plan of shutting down
the run game and daring Jalen Hurts to beat them
through the air, and both times he did enough. You know,
they lost that last time thirty eight thirty five. You
know that's not on Jalen Hurts in the offense failing
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to do their job. And then this time another really
great defensive or offensive performance from him. Leaning on AJ Brown,
leaning on Davonta Smith some great weapons, and I think
the thing that really should be brought up a lot
with Jalen Hurts is this has got to be one
of the all time big game risers in NFL history.
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I really can't think of another NFL quarterback with that
type of rep. Really, I need sort of player with
that level of rep. Where I do think he hasn't
been the most impressive regular season quarterback, and I think
that's been fairly consistent outside of the twenty twenty two season,
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but whenever he gets in these big games, he delivers
his best. I guess Mahomes has some of that too,
but he's always great, you know, Hurts doing it, specifically
in these Super Bowls, where I think you could argue
the two best games of his career have been his
two Super Bowls against a legendary defensive mind and really
strong defenses. It's a testament to the player he is
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and he deserves a lot more respect.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah. Absolutely, And honestly, this comes in a year Big
game rises is a great way to talk about it
because this was a down year for Jalen. I think
a lot of people I remember reading and hearing really
narrative as the season gone and my own eyeballs do
it didn't. Jalen didn't look right. I don't know if
it was necessarily the scheme that maybe started to not
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favor him, or if people are starting to speculate whether
he's dealing with some sort of injury that that's kind
of been lingering. But a down year in terms of
passing yards, a down year in terms of passing touchdowns,
and generally, as you watch it, your eyeball test as well,
it didn't look right. And then don't for all the
box score watchers of Super Bowl fifty nine, do not
let the box score fool you. Jalen outshine Pat Mahomes.
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Buy a mile, Buy a mile. I mean Mahomes was
struggling get over one hundred yards most of the game.
Did he finis with two fifty seven and three touchdowns? Yes,
he did. But Jalen, you want to talk about just
the epitome of efficiency that's seventeen to twenty two and
two twenty one was just a masterclass dialing up exactly
when you need to. That long ball was cooking big time.
DeVante had a good touchdown. Aj had a good touchdown.
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Johan Dotson had that one he came alive. They look
like he's gonna be touchdown, wound up being short, and
then and then Jalen snuck it in. But I mean,
and then you had what Dalen was able to do
on the ground. He sure did look healthy in that
Super Bowl. He just completely schooled Pat Mahomes in terms
of Mono y mana performance. I mean, outshine Patty easily.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Absolutely, he was by far the better quarterback today. And
again it wasn't just as simple as you know, Vig
Fangio's defense harassed Mahomes or like he didn't have help
on the offensive line and so Herts had a better
box score. Like the Bucks game, Mahomes was making bonkers
throws that game, and it was, you know, just bouncing
off his receiver's face mask or whatever. That was not
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the case in this one until garbage time. And I'm
really annoyed the Chiefs put lipstick on the pick because
this game was more of a forty to nothing or
a thirty four nothing beat down, which is what it
was until the closing minutes of the third quarter, than
it was a forty to twenty game. Really, the final
score of this game should have been thirty four to nothing.
They should have ended thirty to.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Six with eight oh one, Jake Elliott fifty r. Veigel,
it was forty six with eight minutes, I mean forty
to six.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
And that captures it, man, That's really what it was.
Even Xavier Worthy, people are going to be hyped up
Xavier Worthy. Wow, what a great super Bowl performance. He
had nine yards when the game was thirty four to nothing.
All his yards were garbage time yards. And still like,
good on him, man, I like scoring a touchdown or
two touchdowns in the Super Bowl was pretty amazing. Yeah,
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but I don't know, just it was very clear that
Eagles had just called the dogs off at that point.
They had one. Like you said, forty to six with
eight minutes to go, you're not coming back from that.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
No, you're not. So again going back, going back to
Saquon because again what's what's it's interesting is is is
the lack of lack of finding that hole that he
did not ever break through. So Spags got that job done.
Everything else obviously didn't work out, but was able to
contain Saquon. I didn't understand a lot of the lack
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of creativity. Again, it was very comparable to me with
with Mahomes' tunnel vision and really just continuing to go
up the gut and even though continue not to work, Saquon,
there was just really no creativity there with the run game.
So I think there is some some concern if you're
a Saints fan in terms of in terms of the running.
And again, I know this is you know, in the
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entire season. Obviously Saquon I won the best season, if
not the best season of all time running the ball.
So I understand this is one game, but there could
be uh if, if, if you're gonna have that offensive
game plan running the ball, there could be some cause
for concern there moving forward. But but again, yeah, Saquon
never never had that one big run, never was able
to string together a couple of runs. But but but Jalen,
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both through the air and through the ground, was able
to eat more than make up for that.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, it was a deserving MVP performance from Jalen Hurts.
I think you put that so well where you really
picked up the slack from Saquon. I thought, still, you know,
had a good game all things considered. The stat line
definitely isn't there, But I don't think there was a
lot for him to run for I think the Chiefs
did a great job bottling things up and kind of
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daring Jaylen Hurts to beat us there, you know, much
like the Bronco Super Bowl against Cam Newton. It was like,
let's keep this guy in the pocket and see if
he could beat us with his arm. Yeah, and you know,
Hurts delivered. He was able to match up to that
there in away Cam Newton in a way a lot
of these quarterbacks aren't. Yeah, he's awesome, he's sick. I'm
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I wish the MVP went to Saquon Barkley, you know,
entering that game, you know, just have it be the
kapper on this amazing season when he didn't win a
lot of the other hardware or set all these other
records he was maybe attempting to set. Jalen Hurts deserted.
It led all teams in rushing yards and passing yards.
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It was an awesome Super Bowl performance.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Yeah, and he give Saquon some credit. I mean he did.
He did almost have one hundred yards from screamge so
I added forty in the year. So they were able
to kind of balance it out when they realized that
it wasn't necessarily going on the ground. They did get
Saquon involved in the air too. So, Zach, let's have
the conversation. Let's have this fun conversation because our good
buddy Ryan Edwards, co our colleague there at Kawa, brought
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up a pretty pretty fun notion to discuss here in
this conversation about could this be the beginning of the
end of Mahomes? Could the Eagles have broken him? Super
Bowl fifty, As Ryan says, broke Cam Newton was never
the same after the Broncos defense dominated the Panthers offense.
He says, look all I'm saying as it's been a
rough night for Patrick Mahomes. Zach, I'll go to you first.
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Could this be the beginning of the end of Patty's dominance?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah? Absolutely, I think he's on a Brady like run.
Well Brady as he talked about. I think it was
during some of the Super Bowl pregame or maybe during
the first quarter or so. There was a decade in
his career where he didn't win a Super Bowl, where
it kind of you stride up for a bit and
New England had to rebuild for a bit after that
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first great dynastic run. And I think the Chiefs are
staring down the barrel of something similar. Andy Reid's getting
up there. I think he's around to coach for a
good while, but that is something to continue monitoring. DeAndre
Hopkins is an upcoming free agent. That's a key part
of this run. Justin Reid a free agent, Travis Kelcey,
good chance he retires, Marquise Brown, he's a free agent.
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So just looking at weapons, I'll get to the defense.
But like, that's three pretty critical receiving weapons, and you
know they've got Rashie Rice and Xavier Worthy as some
up and comers. Rashie Rice is coming off a pretty
devastating lower body injury and didn't serve any of his
oncoming suspension time, so he probably won't be around for
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a lot of next season. Xavier Worthy also as nice
as his breakout was, it overlapped with what Rashid Rice's
breakout was a season ago a little too much. They're
they're thriving in a lot of the same ways. These
kind of gadgety plays are these deep overs, you know, things,
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They aren't the more refined elements of the receiver position.
They kind of have redundant skill sets. They're kind of
the only two weapons Casey has to work with right now,
and Casey still has very little to work with in
the backfield and a huge hole at left tackle. That's
the biggest problem with this roster right now. They've had
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a lot of recent draft misses. They've had to, you know,
make some trades for players like DeAndre Hopkins to try
and shore up pulls to make this three peet run.
And they have ownership that is notoriously kind of cheap
and not willing as a result, won't be willing to
manipulate the cap and do all those different avenues to
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try and extend this run. I think we could be
looking at a Chiefs rebuild period for real right now.
A lot of keypy like they need pass rush help,
but they're losing one of their key pass rushers in
Charles and Menehu and another in Josh uce Uh one
of their best defensive backs, and Justin Reid is out
the door. They've got some serious questions to answer, and
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I I I don't think they're going to be able
to fix it all on one offseason.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
I don't think Patrick is gonna get broken, but I
think the Chiefs are gonna get bent out of shape.
For a while, so so Ben, but not break. This
is a couple of year window for Buffalo and Baltimore
and even since he and maybe even Denver and and
maybe a maybe an extra year or two. This is
definitely the pause I think for their dynasty run. I
don't think it'll go as long in between as as
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you mentioned for Tom and the Pats, But I do
think that this is going to be a couple of
years for the other teams, not just in the AFC,
but for those that get through the NFC to then
face the gauntlet of the of the NFC as well.
AFC the NFC. Yeah, they've they've got some I'll go retoo,
They've got some retooling to do. But at the end
of the day, I think Patrick Mahomes is still gonna
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wind up being the goat. I know Broncos fans don't
want to hear that, but I think he's still gonna
wind up getting close to Tom in terms of rings. Four
would have definitely helped him get get closer, but both
both Patty and Tom were three and two after five
Super Bowl, so still on pace, had a chance to
surpass surpass that pace. But I do think at the
end of the day, it'll be a couple of year
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pause while they retool. But who does want to go
play for the Chiefs and Mahomes and maybe Andy Reid
for another year. Maybe they could stretch it to two.
But I do think the Chiefs will be back in
this position sooner rather than later.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I agree. I will say, though, if you're ever gonna
bet on the Broncos to win the AFC, west Man
next year might just be the year.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
The Chiefs have a lot of This morning.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
They have a lot of extra games weighing on them,
and I would do it soon because the Chiefs exodus
is gonna happen over the coming months or so, and
the Broncos, even with they'll probably make a splash or two.
I'd say, you know, not a Russell Wilson sized one,
but may I bet they make a couple exciting moves,
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and those odds probably only get less favorable as in
terms of if you want to make money on it
as time goes on. So I would I might actually
do that. I'm thinking about it right now. And if
you believe in the Broncos taking a bit of a
lead next year and the Chiefs just coming back to
the pack a little. I think that's very realistic. I
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would say the Broncos or the Chargers really have a
great chance to break this Chief's AFC West streak next season.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Well as Sean, the Broncos say, the climb continues. Could
the climb go all the way to the mountaintop to
win the AFC West. I'm telling you, man, not just
in the AFC West, but also the AFCU West. Excuse
mean the AFC as a whole. This is that window,
This is that time for This is the down years
of Michael Joe Jordan's bowls. This is the time to
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get through to the AFC Conference title game, to win
that thing, to get through and take the Super Bowl.
This is this is the time for Josh Allen, this
is the time for Lamar Jackson. I think the Broncos
definitely could win AFC West, but in terms of big picture,
I think they're probably still an extra year away. But
in terms of winning the AFC and getting to the
getting too the big Game, this is this this coming
season twenty twenty six. I feel bad for the loser
(27:26):
between the Bills and the Ravens in the likely matchup
there because they're going to realize that that this this
is their biggest opportunity coming up, the biggest retool. I
think twenty twenty uh really really well, twenty twenty six,
twenty So technically twenty twenty five is what I mean
for for Buffalo and for Baltimore. But this these next
two years, these next two years while they retool and
(27:47):
figure things out. That being Kansas City, you got you
gotta take advantage. But for the AFC West, absolutely this
is this could be the year for Denver. The Charger
a definitely a problem. I think they're probably a little
bit close, but towards the end of the season, I
think they show that they're really not as far ahead
as we thought that they would be of the Broncos.
So it could be either. It could be either, and hey,
(28:09):
I'm definitely putting them as fourth. But the Pete Carroll
led Raiders, depending on what they do at quarterback, could
be a stickler for Kansas City as well. So Kansas
City could finish as low as two, maybe even three
if the charge in the Broncos are able to have
the season that they want upcoming. So this could be
the windows ach.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Yeah, again, they have a lot of pieces potentially going
out the door this upcoming offseason. You know that one
of the Like, they've got just so many pieces that
have helped make this dynasty, in terms of Travis Kelcey,
the elite interior offensive line, in terms of this run,
the receiving hope they had from DeAndre Hopkins and Marque's
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Brown in the playoffs. You know, replacing Tyron Matthew with
Justin Reid has been a big help. All those pieces
are out the door this offseason. Nick Bolton, great linebacker
for them, potentially out the door of this offseason. They
are gonna have a lot of questions to answer. And
you know, I know they had a great record this year,
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but we saw how narrow the margins were for them.
It was just like, please, Patrick Mahomes bail us out,
and he did just barely enough to do it, you
know most of the time. But those margins are going
to get even slimmer, and you know, I think they
could drop off to like, you know, from fifteen to
two to ten and seven or nine and eight even
just because they were barely getting you know, to the
(29:33):
record they got to. This season.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yeah, well, they have a lot of questions to answer.
We'll have a lot of time to dissect this Super
Bowl and dive more into what their downfall potentially could
mean for the Broncos the rest of the AFC as
well moving forward. So we'll dive into that. But before
we go here, we got a couple more minutes here.
We got to dive into some of the fun stuff
as well of SUPERWL fifty nine. People like to talk
about both the halftime show and the commercials. Before we
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get an a halftime show, I guess we'll talk commercials. This
was terrible year of commercials, the more I've thought about it, honestly,
like there are maybe one, maybe two memorable commercials, honestly,
and this is still a stretch to say it was
my favorite, but I can't really think of any other
one that competed. Like for me, I'm a big, fast
and furious guy, so seeing the Fast and Furious commercially
eating ice cream like that, that was kind of funny.
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Seeing Luda pull up, but I really remember, I mean,
they're eating ice cream in a car, not going fast.
That's really that's what I remember of the commercial. And
then two, just the kind of the fun the poke
fun at you know, at the sloths, you know, and
going slow in all their daily jobs. But other than that,
I mean, honestly, Peyton showing up in what was it
the was it the bud Light commercial? I think, like,
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other than that, man, this was this was a crap
year for commercials. Crap.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
It was a really bad one. I liked the Shane
Gillis bud Light commercials, but last year's was a lot
funnier than this year's. I thought, yeah, it was really lackluster.
I like the ones you listed. I also liked the
Tim Robinson one for Cotino's Pizza rolls or whatever. I
thought that was fine. The Seal Seal.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah, so weird one. I like that one. I like that.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
And then I always liked the Doritos like fan made ones.
I think that's cool how they'll have like you know,
just yeah, a bunch of independent directors kind of just have.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
They multiple or is it just the one with the
alien trying to take the bag of.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Just the UFO one? But I enjoyed that. It reminded
me of, like, I don't know, something you'd see in
like a Pixar short or a Disney short. You know,
it's like a little simple, basic concept. But I enjoyed it. Yeah,
a very underwhelming slate of commercials. I can't believe we
got like the Snoop Dogg and Tom Brady commercial twice.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
That No, yeah, I get the message, but it didn't
It did not land.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah, and I think we're all on board with the message,
but I don't know it just I don't think it
really had a halftime show I thought was great. I
know a lot of people didn't like it, but guess
that's what I didn't like it when they were like
trotting out eighty year old rolling stones in like wheelchairs
to try and do a performance. You know, I didn't
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love that. I think it's good that we're actually getting
some artists while they're still in their prime. And the
only problem I think there was with the performance was
the audio mix. And that's not Kendrick Lamar's fault. That's
whoever was behind the scenes and kept the vocals a
little too low and the instrumental was a little too high.
But yeah, yeah, it was great.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Yeah, let's have in a halftime show for a few minutes.
Kendrick Lamar put on a masterclass. And again I talk
about a generational gap just between audiences, because people clearly
based on everyone on social either love the hell out
of this one or hated it. And again I so
(32:51):
I very evident distinction between those that loved it that
were in the younger target demo and those that were
not in that target demo. This is not for the
older folks. I'm with all due respect, that's just that
seemed to me on the sample size that I saw
a very clear difference between those that loved it and
those I hated it. But both the imagery, the messaging,
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just the the eye contact to Drake, someone check out, Yeah,
the smile. Somebody check on Drake. Now, if the accusations
that are around not like Us are not true, then
Drake's about to make a ton of money because the
lawsuits are going to flood now. But if they are,
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and and I don't think Kendrick will go that far
unless this stuff was true. So with that said, man
just get bodied because that eye contact just hitting on
the everything about it was just immaculate. It was also funny.
It was well produced. You've got Sizza, You've got Drake's
(33:58):
ex Serena Williams with the crip walk. I mean, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn.
Just Kendrick just completely bodying Drake. An elite performance. Definitely,
definitely just like a really a fun one, just a
just a fun performance. Everyone was bopping their heads, everyone
was singing along, everyone was was yelling the phrase a minor.
(34:21):
I mean everything about it was just a real fun one.
And again, Kendrick to me is continue to solidify himself.
He's the He's the number two rapper for me, all
time behind and again personal favorite. Obviously I have a
lot of respect for others as well, Toupbac being a mention,
but Eminem is my number one. But in terms of
also elite lyricist, a great storyteller, which is what he
(34:43):
said in the press the press conference, the Apple Music
halftime press conference, talked about storytelling, talked about just living
in the present. Just elite storytelling, elite lyricist. He's my
number two, right behind Eminem and this super Bowl halftime
show just just put that right and nail right in
that coffin.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah, I'll, you know, much respect Eminem, I'll go goat,
but you know, I don't think there's even to split
hairs over that. Where Like it was an amazing performance.
This is uh the biggest I don't know rap beef
music beef beatdown of all time. I liked Roger Sherman,
journalist his quote that was, this is the biggest rap
(35:23):
beef beatdown we've ever seen, and that includes the one
or like this is the worst rap loss rat beef
loss we've ever seen in regarding Drake, and that includes
the ones that ended in like actual murder like this
this is absolute massacre and just a great performance and
everything too. He doubt everything up. I will agree with
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people that the audio mix was screwed up on it.
I think that was a pretty big, I don't know,
flaw with it all. But that's not on the performance
or the choreography or whatever, all those aspects that I
think we're within the artist's control. We're executed, yeah, like
at a very high level.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Yeah. And and and what's interesting too, there's some criticism
of whether he should or should not have done not
like us, both from a legal perspective and also just
to I guess to rise above you know, the the
whatever about you know, it's a it's a it's at
this track. Maybe not whendn't do the super Bowl? I
heard that Usher jay Z two guys that that suggested
he not do it, but again to dial back to
(36:28):
exactly what he said in the press conference that I
attended in New Orleans. He talked about I'm gonna be myself.
I'm gonna do my thing. I'm not gonna listen to
the critics. So guys like Usher, guys like j Z,
anyone else that said yay, probably should steer away from that.
Or if the advertiser saying hey, he probably should seer
away from doing that like us. No, even in the
even in the thing, as he teases, he goes, yeah,
I really want to do it, and you know, this
is about this is about in the moment, this is
(36:49):
about taking this opportunity of this platform. And then he
just rolled it out and just wrecked again. Somebody check
on Drake.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
I mean, he's not gonna win. He's not going to
lose that lawsuit. I lay, it's so hard to prove
any defamation stuff. And they're going the Defense Group is
the biggest record label in the history of the world,
with more money than God. They when they started cracking
down on YouTube creators using like music in their videos
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and changed the entire way Google goes about like monetizing
YouTube videos. Because that's how scary UMG's lawyers are and
they get to be the defense on an charge that's
very difficult for the prosecution to prove. I think this
is only going to be a bigger heaping of egg
on Drake's face with the legal battle.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
The way, the way it could go down, honestly is
is in terms of settlement, where the amount of popularity,
the amount of more rise to fame. As if Kendrick
needed that, he that the just the value he's gained
from that track will easily offset if there's ever a
settlement number that winds up coming coming to it, like,
just just let this thing completely go as far as
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it can at the end of the day, he obvious
probably wouldn't be quiet, but try to make it quite possible.
Just boom, pay off and then move on. The beef
is dead and that and then it's and then it's
over with. But just the just what what this rise
of this song now this performance and everyone just just
love and the hell out of it. What it's done
easily financially will offset any settlement if there ever is
(38:27):
a settlement, or if Kendrick said, screw it, let's go,
let's let's take this thing. If you want to bring
me to court, let's rock and roll. You gotta win
this thing in court. I mean, Kendrick honestly would seem
like the guy that would that would do that based
on him, the way that this performance went down, based
on what we know about this beef. But but man,
now masterclass. And again with all due respect again to
to the olds, with all due respect to the old,
(38:51):
this wasn't for you, Okay, I I I love an
elite whether it be pop or rock or whatever performance
in never country in this Super Bowl, but this was
for the younger audience. You're there for the game, you're
there for the commercial, you're for everything else. But guess what,
the NFL is one of the most genius, if not
the most genius organization in the entire world, and they
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are continuing to bring in young audiences with like the
Nickelodeon broadcast, with all the different things that they're doing
with like the play sixty everything. This halftime performance was
for the younger crowd. And let me tell you, I'm
thirty one, so there's even younger crowds that we're targeting
with this as well. This was for them. This was
for us and the older folks. You're not like us,
(39:34):
dare I say so? I'm just saying this was for
This was for us, and we all thoroughly enjoyed it.
So just understand that the generation that tart that this
was targeted for, we loved it.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yeah. I thought it was amazing. It was It delivered
on everything I wanted from it. It was great. I
just I'm very happy jay Z is going to continue
to plan these Super Bowl halftime shows. I think all
the ones he's put together so far have been pretty fantastic,
and I trust him to continue to put on some
great shows.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Who do you right now? Put you on the spot,
who do you think should do a halftime next year?
Because I have a crazy idea.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Oh it's in San fran I'm trying to think if
there's anyone great Bay Area related right now. I'm totally
blanking because they've done so much West Coast like rapid
hip hop stuff. I doubt you go back to that. Well,
who's on your mind right now?
Speaker 1 (40:25):
You've got one in a girl pop foursome, Sabrina Carpenter,
uh Olivia Rodrigo, Billie Eilish and Chapel Roone all together
that would be you could.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Get him, if you could get that too. Yeah, I
think that'd be pretty.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Awol if you have three of those four because for
me personally think you should cut out Billy out of
that four because I think she's not very good. Chapel
Roon and Sabrina Carpenter and Olivia Rodrigo Dude, dude, I
think Doua's a little older to be in that younger
that younger pop trio or Forsom or whatever. But something
like that, because honestly, I don't think it's really ever
(41:06):
going to be Taylor Swift, especially while Kelsey's playing for sure,
so he retires maybe more likely, but I think the
NFL will be concerned with the potential of the audience
in the stadium, maybe like Swifties, buy it out, buy
out too much. I think that would not necessarily work.
I think maybe, I mean, it's one of the things
that Taylor hasn't done, so maybe she would do that.
But the young pop like whatever, three or four of
(41:29):
those that would be really freaking cool, really freaking cool.
I'm just I'm just throwing that out there.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
I think that's a great call. A Chapel Rowan or
someone like that, you know, even if it's not the
whole you know quartet you're suggesting, which would be very
very awesome. But these are, yeah, the hottest names in
pop music right now. I think it seems because.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Individually none of those I don't think individually none of
those I think probably are fair yet to do it,
But altogether.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
I don't know. Man, you see like uh uh Chapel
Road six months ago at Lollapalooza or something, and it's
like it's packing out the streets of Chicago, especially if
they want to.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Contain her target women as well man women and younger audiences.
I mean, NFL just gave me the check out for
the idea, because damn.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Just and they haven't done that since like the j
Lo Shakira super Bowl. It feels like we're kind of
due for that angle. I think that's a good bet.
I'd say if I had to.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Pick two Sabrina in Chapel roone easily.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Yeah, those I'd say those are the betting favorites. Yeah,
I would. I wonder if there's odds out on that now,
but yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I think you, uh,
that's a great prediction on your side.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Some people were thrown out other ideas I saw some
people were thrown out out. A big really a big
fan of any of these. Ariana Grande, I think she's
kind of past that time now. I think she's gone
into the next phase. Maybe like five years ago. I
definitely think that would have been possible. Uh, people were
throwing out like Harry Styles. Again, I don't. I don't
think that that audience is. They're still strong enough as
the other ones I just mentioned, Like if Billy Aulis
(42:59):
did solo, would not be a fan of that at all.
People are saying that Pink has turned it down quite
a few times and they may they might start target
Pink again. I also think that's kind of past that
as well. Yeah again, Uh yeah, I am not. None
of those other ones really do a lot for me.
Uh you know, I guess I don't think Taylor Swift's happening.
Beyonce has already done stuff, So I don't know. I
think there's there's some easy there's some easy answers there,
(43:21):
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And this is our Super Bowl fifty nine React show.
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I'm going to dive into absolutely everything x's and o's. Wise,
are also going to have some fun talking a little
halftime show Kendrick Lamar. Nothing better proved a generational gap
I think than that halftime show and the commercials. Not
a great year, but obviously we are here to dive
into the x's and o's. Well damn, I mean damn.
(00:56):
Forty to twenty two doesn't absolutely know justice whatsoever? Or
sixteen points for Casey coming in the absolute garbage time
as you possibly could in this one. This was a
demolition derby, This was a destruction. This was an obliteration.
Zach Segers, the Kansas City Chiefs got boat raced on
the most national televised element you ever could have of
(01:19):
any game. What a destruction, my friend.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
A destruction and a cathartic one at that. I got
to say, in terms of Catharsis or just joy from
a Super Bowl result, you know, definitely not one of
the best games I've seen in a Super Bowl, but
catharsis joy celebration. I think it runs number two for me,
only to the Broncos Super Bowl. And that's because I,
(01:44):
you know, don't have any memories of the first two
Broncos Super Bowl victories, so I enjoyed and savored every
minute of that. I'm a little bummed Casey was able
to put some lipstick on the pig there, because I
think that was a really just truly historic beep down.
Yes when I loved.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
It, Yes it was well. I think the only best
way to also get into this is just a round
of applause for the one and only Vic Fangio, who
who once again just proves that this is one of
the best defensive minds, not just today but of all time.
The guy, the guy gets ring and I just when
(02:22):
you Zach have a zero percent blitz rate with what
that game looked like, what he was able to do
with the front four, I mean, damn that that. I
mean it felt like it felt like they were just
sending the horse after him and it was just just
a front four. It was just it was just a front.
Not once did they blitz, and it felt like they
(02:44):
were just all over an I mean, you just feel
like they were all over Pat Mahomes, all over that
offensive line, and Vic Fangio just once again just dials
up an absolute gem and quite possibly not even for me,
possibly for me, helped dial up the worst performance I've
ever seen from Pat Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs
(03:07):
offense in this during this dynasty run that they've been on.
Do you do you agree is that the worst you've
ever seen them? Look? Because to me that was number
one for me.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, no, I think it absolutely is number one. And
it's because everything with the defense was working in concert. Absolutely,
you know, they were whipping them with four you know,
not bringing blitzes. You had a few simulated pressures in there,
but just a lot of a lot of twists and
stunts and just murdering that Chiefs offensive line with those
I mean, it's kind of basic stuff. That's stuff that's
(03:38):
been around for a long time, but just whipping the
Chiefs with it. But even then, the time to pressure
the time to sack was fairly long, like Mahomes had
a while in the pocket until later on in the
game when his O line really started getting worn down.
It was just the coverage was so sticky downfield. Whenever
we would see an end zone angle shot of the
(03:58):
coverage downfield, it was lockdown. I think that Cooper Jajene
picked six like encapsulated the matchups so well. Where you
see Mahomes kind of finally escape get out of the pocket,
it looks like you're gonna see the same old Mahomes
wizardry on like a third and long where he whips
one downfield and it's a thirty yard play somehow, and
(04:19):
he whips it downfield and it's a Cooper dejen right there,
lands at his lap and he takes it back for six.
It just man, even the numbers back it up. I mean,
this is Mahomes's first half is one of the ten
worst first halfs by EPA per play that any quarterback
has had since two thousand and the contemporaries there are
(04:42):
like Davis Mills, Sam Darnold in the I'm Seeing Ghosts
game against the Belichick Patriots. It is. It was a
historically bad performance not only for Mahomes, but by any
quarterback this century.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah. Well for Pat it may not have been seeing goes,
but for him it was tunnel vision because he had
absolutely no game outside the numbers in terms of in
terms of escapability, I don't understand if it doesn't work,
I mean the definition of insanity in terms of every
time he would try to escape or try to force him,
(05:14):
he would go straight up the gut and just get
swallowed up every single time. In this game, that really
made the difference because typically you see if Mahomes doesn't
you know, doesn't have his guy, doesn't have a read,
doesn't have a second read, he'll escape. But I usually
see him be a little bit more cerebral and understanding
that if it's not there for you to go up
straight up the gut, escape a bit and get out
(05:36):
to the outside. But he every single time he would
try to escape right up the middle, he would just
get eaten up every single time, every single time. So
it was yeah, it was crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
The chiev or sorry, the Eagles pass prush was just
so smart with that too. They weren't rushing over aggressively,
they were kind of like just slowly constricting the prof pocket.
They didn't want to allow any of those lanes for
Mahomes to escape. It was like you said about Fano,
this was a master class. Yeah, I think this, And
because you know some of the other great defensive performances,
(06:08):
like the Bucks that's against you know, Rich Gannon, uh
you know the uh what the the Sorry Ravens in
two thousand, that's against Kerrie Collins. You know, the eighty
five Bears. That's against Steve Grogan. I think it's the
Seahawks against Peyton Manning, I hate to say it. And
then this one against Patrick Mahomes. Of course, I think
(06:31):
these are those are the two best defensive performances we've
seen in a Super Bowl. It was absolute maybe seven
with Spags shutting down the legendary Patriots offense, but I
mean on the Mount rushmore undeniably in terms of just
best defensive game plans we've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, per pff. So again we mentioned zero blitzes, which
is just unreal. Twenty six pressure, six sacks on forty
two point nine percent pressure percentage. I mean again, when
I you think when you watch that, you're like, okay,
a couple of those had to have been a Blitzer
felt like a blitz because you obviously you're not You're
not keeping your eyes on the on the D line
the entire time and understanding if they're you know, if
(07:09):
they ever blitzed, but to see that they never did again.
I I'm not saying I'm not gonna go as far
to say that Vic Fanjo should have another opportunity as
a head coach, because I think defensive coordinator is clearly
his cup of tea, and I think his defensive units
love him. But that masterclass in itself at least has
earned you a couple of interviews. I mean in the
in the next cycle. I obviously understand that you know,
(07:30):
the last the last, uh, the last one is going
to the Saints. It's gonna be killing more so there
is any left available. But but damn it, just at
least worth a chat, Just just that immaculate performance. You
pair him with the right OC in the right spot
sometime down the road. I mean that performance alone, the
elite level of that, knowing what Pat Mahomes and the
Chiefs have done over the years, and just to for
have them look that dreadful, I mean, the the level
(07:53):
of how bad that they looked I've I've never seen that,
and again, take a take a page out of the
Denver Brown because Pat mahomes is Chiefs either win a
super Bowl, they get blown out in the super Bowl.
That is now the new that's the new mantra. So
they're taking a page out of their division rival Broncos
because that's usually how it goes for Denver. But you
make them look that bad. I mean that's again, we
(08:14):
cannot say enough about that defensive performance.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Zach No, you can't. It was just epic in so
many ways. Nolan Smith, you talked about I'm not being
able to escape the poets. Some of that's Nolan Smith too.
I mean, there's a million guys you could talk about.
Cooper de Gene had an incredible game, Quinion Mitchell was
out of his mind. But yeah, Nolan Smith popped out
to me like crazy, We're talking about two hundred and
forty pound edge defender, a lighter guy kind of like
(08:39):
Nick Bedido runs a four four forty and then the
Chiefs are running, you know, these power run plays where
you've got Trey Smith, who's about to make twenty million
plus a year in free agency as a polling guard.
Maybe the best run blocking guard in the NFL. Yes,
and he gets stood up by tiny little Nolan Smith.
I mean, uh Duan Smith puts such a big leap
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this year. I'm excited to see what he's going to
be in the future because he Guys that are as
small and move like him should not have that power
in their game, and it is. It is fun to
see just the Eagles, honestly, I think that's what this
game came down to. He just had the dudes. You know,
when uh Saquan wasn't getting getting stuff going on the
ground because Casey was watting all that up. It allowed
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Jalen Hurts to take one on one shots downfield with
the Vonta Smith and AJ Brown and AJ Brown just
sunned Trent McDuffie over and over and over again, even
when he got a bs OPI to negay one of them.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, uh yeah. That that that that was terrible. I
understand in terms of the hands of the face aspect
of it. But that that was that was that was terrible.
But two more on the defensive side, by the way,
before we move on, Josh Wett have a damn day.
Oh my god, I mean the two and a half
sacks doesn't even do it. Justice also had six total tackles,
a couple tackle for loss to throw in there as
well three quarterback hits. Josh Wett just dominant. And then
(09:57):
we gotta say here, especially to tie in the Denver Broncos,
George Peyton, Sean Payton and company, you have one priority
before all else. And this come from me because I
know I want them to add a runner in free agency.
I want them to get at a top tier wide receiver,
whther be in the draft or or in free agency.
Your number one priority is Zach frickin Bond, Zach Frickin' Bond,
(10:21):
Zach Bond, as Jamis said, They're opening night, had some
fun with them there. You you gotta get this guy
in Denver. Sean knows him, Sean loves him, Sean drafted him,
Sean traded up for him. Zach Bond was very complimentary
when I asked him about it. You could tell that
the smile on Zach's face. He's a big Sean Payton fan.
Get it done. Get this guy in the freaking building.
(10:44):
Zach is a monster. Led the entire Eagles in tackles
last night, just a I the meteoric rise of Zach
bond from the beginning of the season to what he became.
I mean, and then in this game, just just a
beautiful chef's kiss cherry on top Zach. Is there anyone
(11:04):
that you would rather have the Broncos target than than
Zach Bonders even number one target for the Denver Broncos
in free agency?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
He's number one by a mile. I think you're right.
I don't think he will get out there. I think
the Eagles will be smart enough to make sure he
stays in Philadelphia. But if by any means he does
get out there, yeah, back up the Walmart Brinks truck
and give him a giant bag of cash. He'd be perfect.
The Broncos have big needs at inside linebacker. They have
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a lot of questions as to how they're gonna go
about filling those needs. So it just makes sense in
that regard. But it's also a great fit with Vance Joseph.
Vance Joseph was the guy who drafted Isaiah Simmons, the
guy who drafted a Zavion Collins, another kind of linebacker,
edge hybrid player coming out of wherever he came out of.
I think it was Texas. Tech. I can't remember now,
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but he loves those kind of freaky athlete. Are they
a linebacker? Are they edge rusher hybrids? The problem is
he hasn't been able to develop them. Well. Zach Bond's
pre made. You can just plug that guy in and roll. Also,
the Bronco we saw in the playoff game, they had
a problem being a little light against the run. Part
of what's been so amazing with Zach Bond is he
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can come down and be that edge setting presence in
the run game because he's strong in power and powerful
enough force he can blitz. I mean, he fills a
lot of different needs for the Denver Broncos. I think
it'd be an idyllic fit. And the ceiling's not there.
I don't think we necessarily hit the ceiling with him
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yet because this was his first ever season playing this
position and he picked it up very, very quickly. But
I think there's a great chance he continues to grow
and develop, which is very scary to think about because
he was an All Pro this year, a first team
All Pro.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
That's what I was about, say, first team All Pro,
Pro Bowl. Just a fantastic season for him. Whether it
comes to them or not big, big shout out congrats
to him for just an immaculate season, a dream season,
a career defining, money making season for him, so that
that was just a cherry on top. So fun to
see him flipping into the offensive side for the Eagles,
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which really interesting if I were to tell you that
Saquon Barkley had twenty five carries for fifty seven yards
a two point three average, and then you watch the
game the way they went down and Saquon never broke
that one, never found the end zone. All my parlays
that had that as a part of it are hurting
right now. If I were to tell you that, Satelline,
you don't think the Eagles take this game, because we
all said, most of us said that the Eagles have
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to have Sequon go off. He has to have a
day for Philly to have a chance. Well, even though
it might cause some issues for the Saints in terms
of running game based on this plan of attack, because
you bang your head against the brick wall enough times
with Saquon straight up the gut and with no creativity,
that didn't wound up not being to their detriment. They
wound up still fighting their way because oh, I don't know.
Jalen Hurts has the most rushing yards I believe ever
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for a quarterback in a Super Bowl with seventy two,
and then he goes seventeen twenty two in the air,
two ur and twenty one yards two touchdowns. It'd have
that one pick, But Zach, I think it's time to
give Jalen Hurts his frickin flowers because we have not
given this guy enough props for what he's been able
to do so far in his career. And this is
just again talk about cherry on top Jalen Hurts. He's
a long way away from being bench for Tua.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, it's crazy to think that that ever happened. Yeah,
and you know Spags both these Super Bowls against the Eagles,
they set out with the game plan of shutting down
the run game and daring Jalen Hurts to beat them
through the air, and both times he did enough. You know,
they lost that last time thirty eight thirty five. You
know that's not on Jalen Hurts in the offense failing
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to do their job. And then this time another really
great defensive or offensive performance from him. Leaning on AJ Brown,
leaning on Davonta Smith some great weapons, and I think
the thing that really should be brought up a lot
with Jalen Hurts is this has got to be one
of the all time big game risers in NFL history.
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I really can't think of another NFL quarterback with that
type of rep. Really, I need sort of player with
that level of rep. Where I do think he hasn't
been the most impressive regular season quarterback, and I think
that's been fairly consistent outside of the twenty twenty two season,
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but whenever he gets in these big games, he delivers
his best. I guess Mahomes has some of that too,
but he's always great, you know, Hurts doing it, specifically
in these Super Bowls, where I think you could argue
the two best games of his career have been his
two Super Bowls against a legendary defensive mind and really
strong defenses. It's a testament to the player he is
(15:44):
and he deserves a lot more respect.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah. Absolutely, And honestly, this comes in a year Big
game rises is a great way to talk about it
because this was a down year for Jalen. I think
a lot of people I remember reading and hearing really
narrative as the season gone and my own eyeballs do
it didn't. Jalen didn't look right. I don't know if
it was necessarily the scheme that maybe started to not
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favor him, or if people are starting to speculate whether
he's dealing with some sort of injury that that's kind
of been lingering. But a down year in terms of
passing yards, a down year in terms of passing touchdowns,
and generally, as you watch it, your eyeball test as well,
it didn't look right. And then don't for all the
box score watchers of Super Bowl fifty nine, do not
let the box score fool you. Jalen outshine Pat Mahomes.
(16:30):
Buy a mile, Buy a mile. I mean Mahomes was
struggling get over one hundred yards most of the game.
Did he finis with two fifty seven and three touchdowns? Yes,
he did. But Jalen, you want to talk about just
the epitome of efficiency that's seventeen to twenty two and
two twenty one was just a masterclass dialing up exactly
when you need to. That long ball was cooking big time.
DeVante had a good touchdown. Aj had a good touchdown.
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Johan Dotson had that one he came alive. They look
like he's gonna be touchdown, wound up being short, and
then and then Jalen snuck it in. But I mean,
and then you had what Dalen was able to do
on the ground. He sure did look healthy in that
Super Bowl. He just completely schooled Pat Mahomes in terms
of Mono y mana performance. I mean, outshine Patty easily.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Absolutely, he was by far the better quarterback today. And
again it wasn't just as simple as you know, Vig
Fangio's defense harassed Mahomes or like he didn't have help
on the offensive line and so Herts had a better
box score. Like the Bucks game, Mahomes was making bonkers
throws that game, and it was, you know, just bouncing
off his receiver's face mask or whatever. That was not
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the case in this one until garbage time. And I'm
really annoyed the Chiefs put lipstick on the pick because
this game was more of a forty to nothing or
a thirty four nothing beat down, which is what it
was until the closing minutes of the third quarter, than
it was a forty to twenty game. Really, the final
score of this game should have been thirty four to nothing.
They should have ended thirty to.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Six with eight oh one, Jake Elliott fifty r. Veigel,
it was forty six with eight minutes, I mean forty
to six.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
And that captures it, man, That's really what it was.
Even Xavier Worthy, people are going to be hyped up
Xavier Worthy. Wow, what a great super Bowl performance. He
had nine yards when the game was thirty four to nothing.
All his yards were garbage time yards. And still like,
good on him, man, I like scoring a touchdown or
two touchdowns in the Super Bowl was pretty amazing. Yeah,
(18:24):
but I don't know, just it was very clear that
Eagles had just called the dogs off at that point.
They had one. Like you said, forty to six with
eight minutes to go, you're not coming back from that.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
No, you're not. So again going back, going back to
Saquon because again what's what's it's interesting is is is
the lack of lack of finding that hole that he
did not ever break through. So Spags got that job done.
Everything else obviously didn't work out, but was able to
contain Saquon. I didn't understand a lot of the lack
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of creativity. Again, it was very comparable to me with
with Mahomes' tunnel vision and really just continuing to go
up the gut and even though continue not to work, Saquon,
there was just really no creativity there with the run game.
So I think there is some some concern if you're
a Saints fan in terms of in terms of the running.
And again, I know this is you know, in the
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entire season. Obviously Saquon I won the best season, if
not the best season of all time running the ball.
So I understand this is one game, but there could
be uh if, if, if you're gonna have that offensive
game plan running the ball, there could be some cause
for concern there moving forward. But but again, yeah, Saquon
never never had that one big run, never was able
to string together a couple of runs. But but but Jalen,
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both through the air and through the ground, was able
to eat more than make up for that.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, it was a deserving MVP performance from Jalen Hurts.
I think you put that so well where you really
picked up the slack from Saquon. I thought, still, you know,
had a good game all things considered. The stat line
definitely isn't there, But I don't think there was a
lot for him to run for I think the Chiefs
did a great job bottling things up and kind of
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daring Jaylen Hurts to beat us there, you know, much
like the Bronco Super Bowl against Cam Newton. It was like,
let's keep this guy in the pocket and see if
he could beat us with his arm. Yeah, and you know,
Hurts delivered. He was able to match up to that
there in away Cam Newton in a way a lot
of these quarterbacks aren't. Yeah, he's awesome, he's sick. I'm
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I wish the MVP went to Saquon Barkley, you know,
entering that game, you know, just have it be the
kapper on this amazing season when he didn't win a
lot of the other hardware or set all these other
records he was maybe attempting to set. Jalen Hurts deserted.
It led all teams in rushing yards and passing yards.
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It was an awesome Super Bowl performance.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Yeah, and he give Saquon some credit. I mean he did.
He did almost have one hundred yards from screamge so
I added forty in the year. So they were able
to kind of balance it out when they realized that
it wasn't necessarily going on the ground. They did get
Saquon involved in the air too. So, Zach, let's have
the conversation. Let's have this fun conversation because our good
buddy Ryan Edwards, co our colleague there at Kawa, brought
(21:13):
up a pretty pretty fun notion to discuss here in
this conversation about could this be the beginning of the
end of Mahomes? Could the Eagles have broken him? Super
Bowl fifty, As Ryan says, broke Cam Newton was never
the same after the Broncos defense dominated the Panthers offense.
He says, look all I'm saying as it's been a
rough night for Patrick Mahomes. Zach, I'll go to you first.
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Could this be the beginning of the end of Patty's dominance?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah? Absolutely, I think he's on a Brady like run.
Well Brady as he talked about. I think it was
during some of the Super Bowl pregame or maybe during
the first quarter or so. There was a decade in
his career where he didn't win a Super Bowl, where
it kind of you stride up for a bit and
New England had to rebuild for a bit after that
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first great dynastic run. And I think the Chiefs are
staring down the barrel of something similar. Andy Reid's getting
up there. I think he's around to coach for a
good while, but that is something to continue monitoring. DeAndre
Hopkins is an upcoming free agent. That's a key part
of this run. Justin Reid a free agent, Travis Kelcey,
good chance he retires, Marquise Brown, he's a free agent.
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So just looking at weapons, I'll get to the defense.
But like, that's three pretty critical receiving weapons, and you
know they've got Rashie Rice and Xavier Worthy as some
up and comers. Rashie Rice is coming off a pretty
devastating lower body injury and didn't serve any of his
oncoming suspension time, so he probably won't be around for
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a lot of next season. Xavier Worthy also as nice
as his breakout was, it overlapped with what Rashid Rice's
breakout was a season ago a little too much. They're
they're thriving in a lot of the same ways. These
kind of gadgety plays are these deep overs, you know, things,
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They aren't the more refined elements of the receiver position.
They kind of have redundant skill sets. They're kind of
the only two weapons Casey has to work with right now,
and Casey still has very little to work with in
the backfield and a huge hole at left tackle. That's
the biggest problem with this roster right now. They've had
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a lot of recent draft misses. They've had to, you know,
make some trades for players like DeAndre Hopkins to try
and shore up pulls to make this three peet run.
And they have ownership that is notoriously kind of cheap
and not willing as a result, won't be willing to
manipulate the cap and do all those different avenues to
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try and extend this run. I think we could be
looking at a Chiefs rebuild period for real right now.
A lot of keypy like they need pass rush help,
but they're losing one of their key pass rushers in
Charles and Menehu and another in Josh uce Uh one
of their best defensive backs, and Justin Reid is out
the door. They've got some serious questions to answer, and
(24:18):
I I I don't think they're going to be able
to fix it all on one offseason.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
I don't think Patrick is gonna get broken, but I
think the Chiefs are gonna get bent out of shape.
For a while, so so Ben, but not break. This
is a couple of year window for Buffalo and Baltimore
and even since he and maybe even Denver and and
maybe a maybe an extra year or two. This is
definitely the pause I think for their dynasty run. I
don't think it'll go as long in between as as
(24:44):
you mentioned for Tom and the Pats, But I do
think that this is going to be a couple of
years for the other teams, not just in the AFC,
but for those that get through the NFC to then
face the gauntlet of the of the NFC as well.
AFC the NFC. Yeah, they've they've got some I'll go retoo,
They've got some retooling to do. But at the end
of the day, I think Patrick Mahomes is still gonna
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wind up being the goat. I know Broncos fans don't
want to hear that, but I think he's still gonna
wind up getting close to Tom in terms of rings. Four
would have definitely helped him get get closer, but both
both Patty and Tom were three and two after five
Super Bowl, so still on pace, had a chance to
surpass surpass that pace. But I do think at the
end of the day, it'll be a couple of year
(25:27):
pause while they retool. But who does want to go
play for the Chiefs and Mahomes and maybe Andy Reid
for another year. Maybe they could stretch it to two.
But I do think the Chiefs will be back in
this position sooner rather than later.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I agree. I will say, though, if you're ever gonna
bet on the Broncos to win the AFC, west Man
next year might just be the year.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
The Chiefs have a lot of This morning.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
They have a lot of extra games weighing on them,
and I would do it soon because the Chiefs exodus
is gonna happen over the coming months or so, and
the Broncos, even with they'll probably make a splash or two.
I'd say, you know, not a Russell Wilson sized one,
but may I bet they make a couple exciting moves,
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and those odds probably only get less favorable as in
terms of if you want to make money on it
as time goes on. So I would I might actually
do that. I'm thinking about it right now. And if
you believe in the Broncos taking a bit of a
lead next year and the Chiefs just coming back to
the pack a little. I think that's very realistic. I
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would say the Broncos or the Chargers really have a
great chance to break this Chief's AFC West streak next season.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Well as Sean, the Broncos say, the climb continues. Could
the climb go all the way to the mountaintop to
win the AFC West. I'm telling you, man, not just
in the AFC West, but also the AFCU West. Excuse
mean the AFC as a whole. This is that window,
This is that time for This is the down years
of Michael Joe Jordan's bowls. This is the time to
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get through to the AFC Conference title game, to win
that thing, to get through and take the Super Bowl.
This is this is the time for Josh Allen, this
is the time for Lamar Jackson. I think the Broncos
definitely could win AFC West, but in terms of big picture,
I think they're probably still an extra year away. But
in terms of winning the AFC and getting to the
getting too the big Game, this is this this coming
season twenty twenty six. I feel bad for the loser
(27:26):
between the Bills and the Ravens in the likely matchup
there because they're going to realize that that this this
is their biggest opportunity coming up, the biggest retool. I
think twenty twenty uh really really well, twenty twenty six,
twenty So technically twenty twenty five is what I mean
for for Buffalo and for Baltimore. But this these next
two years, these next two years while they retool and
(27:47):
figure things out. That being Kansas City, you got you
gotta take advantage. But for the AFC West, absolutely this
is this could be the year for Denver. The Charger
a definitely a problem. I think they're probably a little
bit close, but towards the end of the season, I
think they show that they're really not as far ahead
as we thought that they would be of the Broncos.
So it could be either. It could be either, and hey,
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I'm definitely putting them as fourth. But the Pete Carroll
led Raiders, depending on what they do at quarterback, could
be a stickler for Kansas City as well. So Kansas
City could finish as low as two, maybe even three
if the charge in the Broncos are able to have
the season that they want upcoming. So this could be
the windows ach.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Yeah, again, they have a lot of pieces potentially going
out the door this upcoming offseason. You know that one
of the Like, they've got just so many pieces that
have helped make this dynasty, in terms of Travis Kelcey,
the elite interior offensive line, in terms of this run,
the receiving hope they had from DeAndre Hopkins and Marque's
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Brown in the playoffs. You know, replacing Tyron Matthew with
Justin Reid has been a big help. All those pieces
are out the door this offseason. Nick Bolton, great linebacker
for them, potentially out the door of this offseason. They
are gonna have a lot of questions to answer. And
you know, I know they had a great record this year,
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but we saw how narrow the margins were for them.
It was just like, please, Patrick Mahomes bail us out,
and he did just barely enough to do it, you
know most of the time. But those margins are going
to get even slimmer, and you know, I think they
could drop off to like, you know, from fifteen to
two to ten and seven or nine and eight even
just because they were barely getting you know, to the
(29:33):
record they got to. This season.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yeah, well, they have a lot of questions to answer.
We'll have a lot of time to dissect this Super
Bowl and dive more into what their downfall potentially could
mean for the Broncos the rest of the AFC as
well moving forward. So we'll dive into that. But before
we go here, we got a couple more minutes here.
We got to dive into some of the fun stuff
as well of SUPERWL fifty nine. People like to talk
about both the halftime show and the commercials. Before we
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get an a halftime show, I guess we'll talk commercials. This
was terrible year of commercials, the more I've thought about it, honestly,
like there are maybe one, maybe two memorable commercials, honestly,
and this is still a stretch to say it was
my favorite, but I can't really think of any other
one that competed. Like for me, I'm a big, fast
and furious guy, so seeing the Fast and Furious commercially
eating ice cream like that, that was kind of funny.
(30:18):
Seeing Luda pull up, but I really remember, I mean,
they're eating ice cream in a car, not going fast.
That's really that's what I remember of the commercial. And
then two, just the kind of the fun the poke
fun at you know, at the sloths, you know, and
going slow in all their daily jobs. But other than that,
I mean, honestly, Peyton showing up in what was it
the was it the bud Light commercial? I think, like,
(30:40):
other than that, man, this was this was a crap
year for commercials. Crap.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
It was a really bad one. I liked the Shane
Gillis bud Light commercials, but last year's was a lot
funnier than this year's. I thought, yeah, it was really lackluster.
I like the ones you listed. I also liked the
Tim Robinson one for Cotino's Pizza rolls or whatever. I
thought that was fine. The Seal Seal.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah, so weird one. I like that one. I like that.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
And then I always liked the Doritos like fan made ones.
I think that's cool how they'll have like you know,
just yeah, a bunch of independent directors kind of just have.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
They multiple or is it just the one with the
alien trying to take the bag of.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Just the UFO one? But I enjoyed that. It reminded
me of, like, I don't know, something you'd see in
like a Pixar short or a Disney short. You know,
it's like a little simple, basic concept. But I enjoyed it. Yeah,
a very underwhelming slate of commercials. I can't believe we
got like the Snoop Dogg and Tom Brady commercial twice.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
That No, yeah, I get the message, but it didn't
It did not land.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah, and I think we're all on board with the message,
but I don't know it just I don't think it
really had a halftime show I thought was great. I
know a lot of people didn't like it, but guess
that's what I didn't like it when they were like
trotting out eighty year old rolling stones in like wheelchairs
to try and do a performance. You know, I didn't
(32:09):
love that. I think it's good that we're actually getting
some artists while they're still in their prime. And the
only problem I think there was with the performance was
the audio mix. And that's not Kendrick Lamar's fault. That's
whoever was behind the scenes and kept the vocals a
little too low and the instrumental was a little too high.
But yeah, yeah, it was great.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Yeah, let's have in a halftime show for a few minutes.
Kendrick Lamar put on a masterclass. And again I talk
about a generational gap just between audiences, because people clearly
based on everyone on social either love the hell out
of this one or hated it. And again I so
(32:51):
I very evident distinction between those that loved it that
were in the younger target demo and those that were
not in that target demo. This is not for the
older folks. I'm with all due respect, that's just that
seemed to me on the sample size that I saw
a very clear difference between those that loved it and
those I hated it. But both the imagery, the messaging,
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just the the eye contact to Drake, someone check out, Yeah,
the smile. Somebody check on Drake. Now, if the accusations
that are around not like Us are not true, then
Drake's about to make a ton of money because the
lawsuits are going to flood now. But if they are,
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and and I don't think Kendrick will go that far
unless this stuff was true. So with that said, man
just get bodied because that eye contact just hitting on
the everything about it was just immaculate. It was also funny.
It was well produced. You've got Sizza, You've got Drake's
(33:58):
ex Serena Williams with the crip walk. I mean, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn.
Just Kendrick just completely bodying Drake. An elite performance. Definitely,
definitely just like a really a fun one, just a
just a fun performance. Everyone was bopping their heads, everyone
was singing along, everyone was was yelling the phrase a minor.
(34:21):
I mean everything about it was just a real fun one.
And again, Kendrick to me is continue to solidify himself.
He's the He's the number two rapper for me, all
time behind and again personal favorite. Obviously I have a
lot of respect for others as well, Toupbac being a mention,
but Eminem is my number one. But in terms of
also elite lyricist, a great storyteller, which is what he
(34:43):
said in the press the press conference, the Apple Music
halftime press conference, talked about storytelling, talked about just living
in the present. Just elite storytelling, elite lyricist. He's my
number two, right behind Eminem and this super Bowl halftime
show just just put that right and nail right in
that coffin.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah, I'll, you know, much respect Eminem, I'll go goat,
but you know, I don't think there's even to split
hairs over that. Where Like it was an amazing performance.
This is uh the biggest I don't know rap beef
music beef beatdown of all time. I liked Roger Sherman,
journalist his quote that was, this is the biggest rap
(35:23):
beef beatdown we've ever seen, and that includes the one
or like this is the worst rap loss rat beef
loss we've ever seen in regarding Drake, and that includes
the ones that ended in like actual murder like this
this is absolute massacre and just a great performance and
everything too. He doubt everything up. I will agree with
(35:45):
people that the audio mix was screwed up on it.
I think that was a pretty big, I don't know,
flaw with it all. But that's not on the performance
or the choreography or whatever, all those aspects that I
think we're within the artist's control. We're executed, yeah, like
at a very high level.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Yeah. And and and what's interesting too, there's some criticism
of whether he should or should not have done not
like us, both from a legal perspective and also just
to I guess to rise above you know, the the
whatever about you know, it's a it's a it's at
this track. Maybe not whendn't do the super Bowl? I
heard that Usher jay Z two guys that that suggested
he not do it, but again to dial back to
(36:28):
exactly what he said in the press conference that I
attended in New Orleans. He talked about I'm gonna be myself.
I'm gonna do my thing. I'm not gonna listen to
the critics. So guys like Usher, guys like j Z,
anyone else that said yay, probably should steer away from that.
Or if the advertiser saying hey, he probably should seer
away from doing that like us. No, even in the
even in the thing, as he teases, he goes, yeah,
I really want to do it, and you know, this
is about this is about in the moment, this is
(36:49):
about taking this opportunity of this platform. And then he
just rolled it out and just wrecked again. Somebody check
on Drake.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
I mean, he's not gonna win. He's not going to
lose that lawsuit. I lay, it's so hard to prove
any defamation stuff. And they're going the Defense Group is
the biggest record label in the history of the world,
with more money than God. They when they started cracking
down on YouTube creators using like music in their videos
(37:20):
and changed the entire way Google goes about like monetizing
YouTube videos. Because that's how scary UMG's lawyers are and
they get to be the defense on an charge that's
very difficult for the prosecution to prove. I think this
is only going to be a bigger heaping of egg
on Drake's face with the legal battle.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
The way, the way it could go down, honestly is
is in terms of settlement, where the amount of popularity,
the amount of more rise to fame. As if Kendrick
needed that, he that the just the value he's gained
from that track will easily offset if there's ever a
settlement number that winds up coming coming to it, like,
just just let this thing completely go as far as
(38:05):
it can at the end of the day, he obvious
probably wouldn't be quiet, but try to make it quite possible.
Just boom, pay off and then move on. The beef
is dead and that and then it's and then it's
over with. But just the just what what this rise
of this song now this performance and everyone just just
love and the hell out of it. What it's done
easily financially will offset any settlement if there ever is
(38:27):
a settlement, or if Kendrick said, screw it, let's go,
let's let's take this thing. If you want to bring
me to court, let's rock and roll. You gotta win
this thing in court. I mean, Kendrick honestly would seem
like the guy that would that would do that based
on him, the way that this performance went down, based
on what we know about this beef. But but man,
now masterclass. And again with all due respect again to
to the olds, with all due respect to the old,
(38:51):
this wasn't for you, Okay, I I I love an
elite whether it be pop or rock or whatever performance
in never country in this Super Bowl, but this was
for the younger audience. You're there for the game, you're
there for the commercial, you're for everything else. But guess what,
the NFL is one of the most genius, if not
the most genius organization in the entire world, and they
(39:12):
are continuing to bring in young audiences with like the
Nickelodeon broadcast, with all the different things that they're doing
with like the play sixty everything. This halftime performance was
for the younger crowd. And let me tell you, I'm
thirty one, so there's even younger crowds that we're targeting
with this as well. This was for them. This was
for us and the older folks. You're not like us,
(39:34):
dare I say so? I'm just saying this was for
This was for us, and we all thoroughly enjoyed it.
So just understand that the generation that tart that this
was targeted for, we loved it.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yeah. I thought it was amazing. It was It delivered
on everything I wanted from it. It was great. I
just I'm very happy jay Z is going to continue
to plan these Super Bowl halftime shows. I think all
the ones he's put together so far have been pretty fantastic,
and I trust him to continue to put on some
great shows.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Who do you right now? Put you on the spot,
who do you think should do a halftime next year?
Because I have a crazy idea.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Oh it's in San fran I'm trying to think if
there's anyone great Bay Area related right now. I'm totally
blanking because they've done so much West Coast like rapid
hip hop stuff. I doubt you go back to that. Well,
who's on your mind right now?
Speaker 1 (40:25):
You've got one in a girl pop foursome, Sabrina Carpenter,
uh Olivia Rodrigo, Billie Eilish and Chapel Roone all together
that would be you could.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Get him, if you could get that too. Yeah, I
think that'd be pretty.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Awol if you have three of those four because for
me personally think you should cut out Billy out of
that four because I think she's not very good. Chapel
Roon and Sabrina Carpenter and Olivia Rodrigo Dude, dude, I
think Doua's a little older to be in that younger
that younger pop trio or Forsom or whatever. But something
like that, because honestly, I don't think it's really ever
(41:06):
going to be Taylor Swift, especially while Kelsey's playing for sure,
so he retires maybe more likely, but I think the
NFL will be concerned with the potential of the audience
in the stadium, maybe like Swifties, buy it out, buy
out too much. I think that would not necessarily work.
I think maybe, I mean, it's one of the things
that Taylor hasn't done, so maybe she would do that.
But the young pop like whatever, three or four of
(41:29):
those that would be really freaking cool, really freaking cool.
I'm just I'm just throwing that out there.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
I think that's a great call. A Chapel Rowan or
someone like that, you know, even if it's not the
whole you know quartet you're suggesting, which would be very
very awesome. But these are, yeah, the hottest names in
pop music right now. I think it seems because.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Individually none of those I don't think individually none of
those I think probably are fair yet to do it,
But altogether.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
I don't know. Man, you see like uh uh Chapel
Road six months ago at Lollapalooza or something, and it's
like it's packing out the streets of Chicago, especially if
they want to.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Contain her target women as well man women and younger audiences.
I mean, NFL just gave me the check out for
the idea, because damn.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Just and they haven't done that since like the j
Lo Shakira super Bowl. It feels like we're kind of
due for that angle. I think that's a good bet.
I'd say if I had to.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Pick two Sabrina in Chapel roone easily.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Yeah, those I'd say those are the betting favorites. Yeah,
I would. I wonder if there's odds out on that now,
but yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I think you, uh,
that's a great prediction on your side.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Some people were thrown out other ideas I saw some
people were thrown out out. A big really a big
fan of any of these. Ariana Grande, I think she's
kind of past that time now. I think she's gone
into the next phase. Maybe like five years ago. I
definitely think that would have been possible. Uh, people were
throwing out like Harry Styles. Again, I don't. I don't
think that that audience is. They're still strong enough as
the other ones I just mentioned, Like if Billy Aulis
(42:59):
did solo, would not be a fan of that at all.
People are saying that Pink has turned it down quite
a few times and they may they might start target
Pink again. I also think that's kind of past that
as well. Yeah again, Uh yeah, I am not. None
of those other ones really do a lot for me.
Uh you know, I guess I don't think Taylor Swift's happening.
Beyonce has already done stuff, So I don't know. I
think there's there's some easy there's some easy answers there,
(43:21):
but but we can we can have some fun with that.
It's more of that at a different time. But all right, man, well, uh,
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