Super Week in New Orleans, Super Bowl 59 Talk with Broncos SB Champ Marvin Washington

AROD is back from covering Super Week in New Orleans! The guys hear some of AROD's most notable interviews plus chat with former Broncos DE and Super Bowl 33 Champion Marvin Washington about the Super Bowl 59 matchup between the Chiefs and Eagles, his time with the Broncos, what the Broncos are now doing with Bo Nix and his work with Leafwell, the world’s largest virtual care clinic for medical cannabis and a leader in data-driven cannabis research, as an advisor.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is a KOA digital series from sports and pop
culture to news and more.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Z Yeah, covering it all from A to Z.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Here's a Rod and Zach Siegers.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Oh Yes, welcome into another episode of A to Z.
I am the a A Rod. Here at KOA, he
is the z Zach Segers. Also here at KOA we
cover it all from A to Z and we are
on the cusp of Super Bowl fifty nine. Yours truly, Zach.
Just just fresh off of the plane not too long

(00:40):
ago that got in there Thursday night. Back here into Denver,
covering my first super Bowl. It was a freaking whirlwind.
It was my second time in New Orleans. It was amazing.
I loved literally everything about that city. It's like I said,
it's my second time, but first super Bowl. I've covered
the NBA Finals, I've covered the Stanley Cup Final, I've
covered more madness. But Super Bowl is just a whole

(01:03):
other animal. I've heard tale of what it's like to
cover this thing. But the radio row experience, the opening
night the Caesar super Dome, getting to be in the
same room with Kendrick Lamar for the halftime press conference,
going to Fox Sports Media Day and chatting with Gronk
and chatting with Peter Schrager and chatting with Michael Vick,
Jay Glazer. Just a whirlwind of an experience. Those are

(01:27):
just some of the highlights, and it was. It was
absolutely incredible. So real quick before we get up to
Zach here, why not I put a little spot in
here right now to hear some of my highlights of
all the different interviews and all the different fun stuff
I did. Here is that roll the tape? Jaden Daniels, Hey, Jane,
what do you make of the battle between you and
Bo Nixt for Rookie of the Year.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
I mean, he's a great player, so I mean, anybody
is deserving to have in it.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
What do you think about who's gonna wind up taking it?

Speaker 4 (01:55):
Oh? No, we will see.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
How about this rookie class for quarterbacks? Caleb obviously didn't
even have the year that he wanted, But you guys
have all had a fantastic season. What do you guys,
what do you make at the quarterback class? I mean,
I don't think you could win wrong with who you
picked in this class.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
So I'm gonna sorry for all those guys.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Steve spagno Low, I'm gonna tell you what he's the
real deal. I mean, listen, he grew as a rookie.

Speaker 5 (02:15):
I thought he played pretty good that first game we
played anything.

Speaker 6 (02:18):
Obviously, in the last game he tore us up, but
they got a bright future with him.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
I'm really impressed with you. Trevor Sikima. Ay right here
with Trevor Sikima from PFF. I think most in Broncos
country are clamoring for the Broncos to find a way,
whether it be via the trade or free agency, or
probably most likely the draft, to get that top tier
running back. I think so many people would believe that
would add so much of this offense. Ashton Jaancey's is
probably gonna be out of reach unless they significantly trade
up camp Scataboo, maybe in the in the second or

(02:44):
third round. How do you think, whether it be any
of those options, free agency, trade or whatever, how do
you think the Bronco should address running back?

Speaker 7 (02:49):
Yeah, I think probably towards the draft. Anybody watches in
the NFL Soige Change podcast. No, I'm not gonna say
anything bad about Pudi. Your guests may, but no, I
think that I think that you still need sort of
that lead back, that dynamic fac to really be able
to again give you that consistent production that you want
out of the backfield. You're right, I don't think they're
taking action Chenty in the first round.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
I mean he falls to.

Speaker 7 (03:08):
Him maybe, but I don't think that he's going to
I think he's probably the only option that you would
really consider there. I think more of a second third
round pick makes a ton of sense for this team.
But there's a lot of really great backs that are
going to be within that range. You know Quinnshaw, Judkins,
the Trey Bion Henderson, you know Dylan Samson from Tennessee.
You mentioned camp Scataboo. Maybe he's more of a second
round pick, but that's somebody who's on their radar as well.
Caleb Johnson from Iowa if you want to take a

(03:28):
chance on him in the second round. I don't know
if he'll get to the third round.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
But then there's so many other backs like r J.

Speaker 7 (03:32):
Harvey, who I really like from UCF and Damian Martinez
if you want a bigger back from Miami. There's just
so many guys this year that can be that potential
difference maker for them out of the backfield.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
So it's a great year need a running back.

Speaker 7 (03:44):
I think probably something around the third fourth round makes
a lot of sense for this team to hone in on.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
One Ryan Leaf. All right, a rod here with former
NFL quarterback. You hear him on Serious here him on
Westwood one, Ryan Leave. Ryan. I gotta ask you, obviously
you know quarterbacks, so I want to hear your take
from the beginning of the SEAE to the end of
the season. What did you see in the growth of
Bo Nicks.

Speaker 8 (04:03):
Oh, this is so impressive.

Speaker 9 (04:04):
Now you can go to my my, uh, you know
my evaluations last year in May. You know, I had
Bo as the number three guy coming out, uh and uh,
and he certainly played it. This year, Sean and him
really developed a relationship. You saw how accurate he was
around the line of scrimmage, which was what a lot
of people talked about. But I don't think a lot
of people outside of the people that really understood what
Bo was able to do, how accurate he was down

(04:26):
the field, and that was explosive plays to his big
time wide receivers and play action improved every single week.
I thought, uh, you know when he did have rookie
moments and step stepbacks, he just he jumped forward and
got better in the fact that he got to experience
a playoff game in his first year. I think it's
going to go a long ways for him as a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
One more for you the Broncos. Obviously they're going to
free up some cast space a little bit easier on
that with that Russell Wilson contract last year, or that
they have some some draft picks now now the kind
of replenishing what do you think is going to be
the next step for the next couple of years with
the Broncos to be in this position, competing maybe in
a in the next couple years. How do you see
them getting there?

Speaker 9 (05:02):
I think they needed a definitive game breaking tight end.
I think that's a big part of it. And then
I think last year you didn't think of defense, the
defense that they had, the guys that were in place
were going to really be able to contribute and do
the things that they've done this year. So, I mean
they are on the cusp right. I mean it's not much.
You know, some games, inexplicably, defense shows up and makes
a bunch of turnovers, And the turnover part of it

(05:24):
is is a very difficult variable to quantify. Because you
don't know what's going to happen game in and game out,
whether you're gonna get them or not. When they didn't
get the turnovers, like they were high scoring games in
which they lost a lot of times. When they did
get the turnovers on defense, I mean, they flat out
were better than everybody else. So since you can't rely
on that, you just got to get better defensively when
you don't get the turnovers, but you get stops in
situations like on thirds down.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Ian Rapaport, all right, Anthony Rodriguez here inside the Supernome
with our koa NFL Network inside or Ian Rapaport who
joins us weekly. Ian, the first time I got to
ask you about the experience. I saw your hit earlier
on NFL Network. You can hear a little better in
here now than you could earlier today.

Speaker 10 (06:00):
Yeah, I mean these are always a little bit of
a circus.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
I love this night though.

Speaker 10 (06:04):
I'm I think it's it's so fun and it also
sort of announces very loudly that we have arrived, and
this is the week everyone spends the whole season waiting
for the fact that we are finally here. Is a
very very good thing. I love football and we get
to see a great game on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
This is gonna be awesome. I know you're a very
busy man, So I'm gona ask you the one question
I'm gonna ask some folks this week here at the
super Bowl. Obviously, the Broncos broke the street, they are
back into the playoffs. What do you think is the
most the most important, the number one thing that is
keeping the Broncos from reaching the super Bowl in the
next couple of years.

Speaker 10 (06:35):
I don't think they're that far off, honestly. I mean,
I think they got a lot of the pieces there,
got a tough defense, They got a quarterback. Ooks think
he's gonna be really good. Get the offensive line a
small bit better, get some weapons, get both some weapons.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
I think they'll be all right. Michael Vick, Hey, Mike,
what did you make a bon Nicks' rookie season? And
what makes them special? And how do you think he
can take the next step and what do you think
the next EEPs? Can he be a top quarterback in
this league?

Speaker 4 (06:57):
I think, well, Nicks is a great quarterback.

Speaker 11 (07:00):
You know, when you under a guy like Sean Payton,
you're gonna get a lot of offensive concepts that just
make sense to you. Sean understands the game, knows the game.
So you get to pass that down to a guy
like bo Voe, say his credit has a lot of
experience as well, and he had a lot of collegiate snaps.
It's seeing a lot of defenses, so he understand football

(07:22):
and know how to talk it.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
You know, understanding how to talk it.

Speaker 11 (07:25):
Then you can think it through, like when it's happening
really really really fast.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
Think I mean play only last like four seconds.

Speaker 11 (07:31):
So so many things happen in four to five seconds,
and you can protest that, break it down and make
it a success.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
Man.

Speaker 11 (07:38):
Then as a rookie it made the playoffs, you got
a bright future.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Kenny Mayne all right, a rod here with a one
and only Kenny Maine patrolling around here in the convention
center in New Orleans.

Speaker 5 (07:50):
Philadelphia's gonna win, if that's what you wanted to know.
And nothing against Kansas City. I'm not part of that
whole conspiracy theory thing. And also, if Taylor Swift is picked,
sure for four seconds, it's fine. It's no different than
you know, showing Spike Lee the Knicks game. You know,
it's a famous person is there. It makes the event cooler,
and when people make a huge thing of that, I

(08:11):
think it's it's wasted energy.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Well, let me ask you this, because I've been getting
quite a bit of clap back. I asked Travis Kelsey
to basically, if you could pitch to me, or pitch
really to folks out there, the NFL fans that are
the non Swifties. I was expecting this long, thirty second,
really good boyfriend of a Taylor swift desk answer. Instead,
he onelindes me with saying, who's not a Swiftie? So
I'll ask you the question. Do you think that more

(08:34):
NFL fans should jump on board? Or should the haters
be the haters and the lovers be the lover.

Speaker 5 (08:38):
I mean, whenever there's some controversy, as long as it's
civil whatever that. You know, it's just like how New
Orleans and the Falcons, they're never gonna let that go.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
They have a thing, right.

Speaker 5 (08:47):
I just drove by a sign that said twenty eight
to three a couple of bucks away. You know, everybody
gets that.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (08:53):
I'm a fan of hers. I don't like I'm not
a fan like I am of Stevie Wonder necessarily, but
her music's good. She's super talented and uh and I
like her boyfriend too.

Speaker 4 (09:02):
He's all right.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
The Denver Broncos and bow Nicks and Sean Payton, what
they were able to do making the playoffs, breaking that streak?
What did you see from them in that first year?

Speaker 5 (09:09):
Who Nicks came right out and I just ran into
Mike Pennox this morning, and there was He's a great guy.
He's helped my foundation in fact, and it was cool
how they battled right all the way to the Pac
twelve game. And I didn't know. I knew bow Knicks
was good, but to just come in and acclimate and
just like Jayden did you know? And Pennix did toward
the end. So a whole bunch of really good rookie

(09:29):
quarterbacks with a bunch of good years ahead. So Denver
should be happy they got their guy. Oregon is where
I wrecked my ankle byther though. Yeah, so I have
a thing against Oregon, but I've let it go. Maybe
I'll do an event there and you know, bring it
all back.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Maybe if you see if bo does have me walking around,
because obviously got the NFL RRE's coming Upjaye's probably gona
take the Rooie the year, but maybe should just avoid
him and not like chakes Haner eight.

Speaker 5 (09:48):
He seems like he's harmless. He wanted anything to me.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Rob Gronkowski. The tight end position in today's NFL the
brock Bowers of the world. George Katle, Travis Kelsey was
in this Super Bowl. What does an elite tight end
add to today's NFL offense? What could it do for
the Broncos to add one?

Speaker 12 (10:03):
Yeah, you need an elite tight end in the NFL
if you want to compete, if you want to have
a legitimate offense, if you want to score points. I
just feel like that's the way, you know, it's been
headed towards over the last you know, decade or so,
over the last fifteen years.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
And if you want to be.

Speaker 12 (10:19):
Able to move the ball, you got to have a
tight end that can, you know, be the quarterback safety
valve and a guy that can actually help out in
the run game as well, you know, and that opens
up the play action because you can't do play action
really if you don't have a solid tight end. And
that's why tight ends are just so undervalued. I believe
they really really are, and they help out not just

(10:40):
in the past game, but the run game and also
in the in the play action game. That's where the
tight ends truly make the most impact and it can
open up they'll run and pass in because of that
play action. So having a great tight end, I believe
is crucial to success if you want to go deep
in the playoffs now and have a solid offense.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
C J two k Man as a whole lot.

Speaker 13 (11:03):
You look at the Eagles, a team that has so
many playmakers already who I feel like I already had
a Super Bowl roster, and you and they still feel
like it was a missing piece. And then when they
got then you see when they had Squin, then you
see the whole dynamic of the whole offense change. You

(11:26):
see what he does for that offense and automatically made them.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
A super Bowl lot to go to the super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
When you add in Cam Jordan Sean Payton in the
last couple years, man, he's been turning around. You know
him better than most. What do you think about? What
do you think about?

Speaker 3 (11:41):
We know all knew he was turning around as a
as a leader of men, as a as a coach
that has success. When you have success, you have conferences
that you create recreate that success.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
What do you think about the future now with bow Knicks.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Man, I mean, bow Knicks is clearly a guy who
has talent. That's the reason why Sean drafted him.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
And John recreate some special magic. I mean, we'll see
what happens.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
To be clear, they're in the AFC where they have
to fight Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow and Pat Mahomes, good
Luck oh Man.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
All that and more again you can find on our
social channels at ko A, Colorado that just so much
fun stuff. I definitely think Zach obviously there we now
know after I chatted with and we now know that
he did win Rookie of the Year for bow Nicks. But
being able to uh hunt down borderline stock a little
bit jayde Daniels, commander's rookie quarterback who had by far

(12:29):
the largest entourage, I made buddy buddy a little bit
with the with the Commander's team rep there and and
basically was able to weasel my way in there for
a good old fashioned reporter walk and talk that I
that I've grown accustomed to doing over the over the
years that was probably the highlight of it all. Man.
But but I mean you, I'll ask you you you
saw my coverage from AFAR, What did you What did

(12:51):
you make of it where we're kind of some of
your fun, fun moments and what did you think of everything?

Speaker 4 (12:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (12:57):
I mean, I think the Jay Glazer story is about
a whole Sean Payton bow Nick's drafting. If people haven't
seen that, they should absolutely check that out. That immediately
jumps to mind as a really cool highlight. But you
had so many good things on there. You know, Travis
Kelsey getting the swift, he's mad at you. That's always fun.
It was a good week to watch from AFAR. I'm jealous.
I need to get down to New Orleans myself now.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah. Massive shout out to really Koway as a station
Brenda Jojo program director Dave Tepper for helping him make
it possible. Yeah, Zag, it'd be awesome to have us
both be out there. A to Z hitting San fran
in twenty twenty six would be something cool. I'm just
throwing that out there, Dave Tepper thrown out there. But yeah,
touching real quick on those two things. Yes, I had

(13:41):
a friend of mine shout out to my Austrian friends
Stephan and Lisa. Lisa, who was a big Swifty, basically
told me that she randomly came across someone ripping the
video and putting it on a Taylor Swift hate subreddit.
I mean that just perfectly capped. Sure is the fact
that this was everywhere. I had every Swifty fan page

(14:04):
in my mentions for the last week because I thought,
again me, I'm wanting to say, Okay, I'm not a swiftye,
but let me hear Travis Kelsey's pitch to the NFL
fans that are not Swifties. Well, I thought I was
gonna get you know, typically with NFL players, you get
those you can get those stock answers. You're gonna get
your thirty seconds on whatever. I'm anticipating. Okay, it's not

(14:26):
gonna be over the top, but he's not gonna be
crazy gushy, but he's gonna give me some thirty second
you know, canned pitch to the NFL fans. Instead, he
looks at me, one lines me and goes, who's not
a SWIFTYE and literally turns to the next question. And
it's here I am literally in awe saying bruh, do
he just did? He just basically verbally backhand me and

(14:47):
move on. Yes, he did. And then I talked to
a Taylor Swift super fan who had a big old
Swifty jacket on and again, never gonna convert me, but
he had a way better pitch talking about what Taylor's
done for the game bringing women into the fold. His
pitch was way better than Travis. So Travis did that
and then real quick. On the Jay Glazer story, if
you didn't hear, if you didn't see it as of

(15:07):
this taping, it has like a quarter million impressions just
on X alone. Because it's a crazy story. I won't
give too much away so that way we can people
can go watch the short on on social But Jay Glazer,
who if you don't know Jay Glazer is, I mean,
he is just an analyst, superstar. He is an awesome
guy to put on top of it because he's done
so much for mental health, specifically with men. He's real

(15:29):
good friends with Sean Payn Obviously he's a Fox Sports analyst.
He is just one of the top insiders that there is.
He's very very good friends with Sean Payton, very good friends.
He's known him for a very long time. He detailed
the story about how during the twenty twenty four draft process,
when Sean Payton, now we know in hindsight, now we

(15:49):
know obviously he was very much a fan of Bonis
want him to be the Denver Broncos quarterback. Well, he
was way more paranoid than we thought when it came
to teams potentially stealing bo. Jay tells a story again
at KA we call her out on all social channels.
It's not gonna be hard to find. Just search Jay
Glazer Sean Payton. I'm sure it'll come up. It's one

(16:11):
of the top things that are now. It literally is
a story about how Sean kept hitting up Jay freaking
out that the Rams were going to trade up and
take Bow Nix steal him. And Jay tells the detailed
story about how he hit up Sean McVay and said, listen, buddy,

(16:35):
Sean Peyton is driving me insane. I don't think he's
gonna sleep. Can you please let me tell him that
you guys are not trading up to take Bow And
Sean McVay basically strung strung and along and messed around
a little bit and said, yeah, you can kind of
not yet, but you can tell him. And then eventually
Jay was able to put his buddy Sean Payton at

(16:56):
ease because Sean wanted Bo that bad. If there isn't
this stories act that doesn't tell you perfectly how much
Sean wanted Bo Nicks, it is that story. So again,
you have to watch the entirety. It's like a two
minute story that Jay tells. It's unreal. By the way,
Insider here info for a to Z. The other really
hilarious thing in that is I don't know if you
know this. Her name escapes me, but Sean Payton's daughter

(17:18):
works in the media, Megan. I think her name is Megan.
As Sean is Sean. As Jay is chatting with us,
he recognizes that Megan walks up behind the media scrum
there at Fox Sports Media Day, and he derails whatever
he's answering. I think he was actually answering a question
to our good buddy Andrew Mason, and he derails it.

(17:40):
He goes by the way, By the way, I gotta say,
Sean is the biggest dirt bag in his family. Do
you know why, because the rest of his family is amazing,
And that's his daughter, right there and then he points
to He points to Sean Payton's daughter Megan in the
media back in the back of the scrum. It was hilarious.
But anyway, long long story, stort On. Those two just

(18:00):
amazing highlights. I appreciate the compliment, Zach, and it was.
It was a whirlwind. We got to get you there.
It's an experience like no other.

Speaker 6 (18:08):
Yeah, it looked amazing. What a great trip.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yeah, seriously, Well, I'll say this, man uh. In terms
of this this matchup, the thing that stands out to
me for the Super Bowl fifty nine matchup is that
it's it's not been as much x's and o's as
I anticipated in terms of the conversation, at least for
this specific matchups. It's it's it's felt like to me

(18:32):
in talking to different folks and kind of obviously watching
other folks coverage as well, it feels like they're individually
talking about the Chiefs and they're individually talking about the Eagles.
Not really this matchup the teams against each other, talking
about obviously the dynasty and the Chiefs win three in
a row. They're talking about the individual's success. The amazing
season by Saquon Barkley, Is he going to solidify his
business position in the Hall of Fame with this with

(18:54):
this run? They actually we chatted with, by the way,
upcoming conversation here in just a just a few Marvin Washington,
former Broncos defensive end Super Bowl thirty three champ with
the Broncos. We're gonna chat with him about this matchup
here in just a few minutes. But he obviously played
with with Carral Davis, and people are making the Hall

(19:15):
of Fame comparison saying, even if saquon career ended after
winning potentially Super Bowl and Super Bowl MVP, this little
sample size and potentially one of the best seasons ever
as a running back in the NFL, that may put
him in. That may be enough. And he's still got
the rest of his career to go now that he's
just do this meteorc rise with the Philadelphia Eagles. But
people are individually talking about that campaign by Saguon, People

(19:38):
are individually talking about the Chiefs, but really this matchup
the x's and o's of these two teams in this
one game, I haven't really heard a lot about or seen.
It's it's been a weird narrative conversation obviously, the reps
with the Chiefs everything like that, But what is that
for you, Zach here in Denver this week? Is that
kind of how you have felt that it's kind of

(20:00):
gone down the conversation about this game? Or am I
off my rocker?

Speaker 4 (20:04):
No?

Speaker 6 (20:04):
I mean I think there's definitely some of that, and
I think you know that has less to do with
the game itself than You've got some really special narratives here,
Saquon Barkley. You know, depending on how the Super Bowl goes,
could complete the greatest running back season in NFL history,
most rushing yards, most yards from scrimmage of any player
in any single season ever, if you can combine regular

(20:26):
season and postseason success. Of course, there's the three piet stuff,
Travis Kelce breaking some Jerry Rice postseason records, Andy Reid
trying to chase down Belichick like it's some really lofty
legacy stuff, which I think leads to that. But it's
a shame because I think the x's and o's matchups
in this game are really really exciting. You have a

(20:46):
Chiefs offense that thrives kind of playing underneath it's the
style defenses that forced them to play, and the Chiefs
have gotten excellent at playing that style and kind of
dinking and dunking their way down the field with just
lead efficiency. And then you have a Vic Fangio defense
that that's the exact way they want their opponents to
play because they're so good at rallying, tackling, making their

(21:09):
opponents really have to earn every single yard. You know,
you have a Chiefs run defense that's been pretty steady
against all forms of run game all year long, but
has shown some signs of cracking in the playoffs. Now
they're going against the league's most dangerous run game in
Saquon Barkley, looking for again a pretty historic year. So
I think you're dead on. But I think it's disappointing

(21:30):
because there's a lot of great matchup stories and x's
and O stories that I think aren't getting enough attention
one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
And what's really interesting, especially as you're talking there, really
made me think about this this matchup. We'll dive into
here a little bit here and they get our official
predictions because we got to get this conversation with Marvin
Washington here. But what's really interesting to me is again,
and Marvin, you'll hear talks about this in terms of
when I asked him, you know, is this team worthy
of being the first team to three P? He goes,

(21:58):
you know, honestly, if they do it, they've earned it,
which is absolutely true. But at the same time, even
with a fifteen win Chiefs squad, it just still doesn't
feel like they are like really great. And I know
that sounds crazy for a team that could potentially three
P that won fifteen games in the regular season. I
just think it has this feeling of the Chiefs finally

(22:23):
coming to a head, whether it be a combination of
just the luck, which I mean the amount of one
score games. If they would have gone the other way,
they would not be probably in this position. They probably
wouldn't have been the one seed. But I don't want
to disregard it too much because obviously they've earned it.
They win those one score games because they're extremely well coaching,
because they have Pat Mahomes, and they do what they do,

(22:44):
and they win those games. They win in the clutch moments.
The amount of times that they won on like the
final and the final seconds of the games, it's notable,
but it feels like to me it's coming to a
head against arguably the best roster in the NFL, and
like you said, in terms of the storylines, but then
really x's and o's covering both bases. There is what

(23:05):
Sequon has been able to do. Steve Spagnolo is one
of the best defense, if not the best defensive coordinator
in the NFL. At Ronicalley's going up with a guy
against the guy on the other defensive side. That that
is in that argument in Vic Fangio. But that matchup,
it seems like it could potentially be too much because
Saquon is on a freakin' mission and it may just

(23:26):
be that this is when it all comes to a head.
This is where the train stops. Is facing this Eagle
squad at the at the right time for Philly because
they are red hot. Jalen's playing some good balls. Saquon
is just a freaking monster right now. I mean, the
fact is that people are saying, oh yeah, he's gonna
have a few touchdowns, Oh yeah, there's gonna be that

(23:47):
absolute long one. Like how many running backs do we
have that much confidence in today's NFL to do things
that Saquon is doing. So, Zach, do you have that
feeling as well, that it's that it's really coming to
a head, that this could really be that time, that
big time result that goes, Oh, that's where it ended
for the Chiefs because they face the wrong team at

(24:07):
the wrong time.

Speaker 6 (24:09):
Well, I mean, certainly, you know, they're one point favorites
that Philly rosters loaded. It's easily I think a game
that the Chiefs could lose. I don't think they're invincible
by any means, but I also I guess I don't
think it's been leading to a loss here necessarily. They
have been incredibly lucky to get through the season with
the record they got, But I think a lot of

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that is the process of just doing enough to win.
And I think it's a frustrating team to watch for
that reason. I haven't enjoyed their dominance so much because
it hasn't always felt like dominance. It's felt like them again,
just exerting enough energy to win the game, which you
know that's all you need to do, but they approach
it as such. Listening to their beat writers throughout this

(24:56):
week in different interviews talk about, you know how they
are very confident, at least from their perspective on the
Chiefs beat that the Chiefs aren't really trying super hard
to win, you know, the week eight game or the
Week ten game or whatever. Understanding that, hey, you know,
rather than throw out our coaching a game right now, like,

(25:19):
we can hold on to some of our cards because
we're going to make the playoffs, We're going to be
playing these high stakes game games and let's keep some
surprises or some tricks up our sleeve for those moments.
So and I think that's why, you know, once we
get to December or January, this Chiefs team has been
playing much better than the Chiefs team that you know,

(25:40):
the Broncos nearly upset in Arrowhead. I don't think the
Broncos would have that result again if they were to
play an Arrowhead right now. They definitely have some vulnerabilities.
I'm excited to see what the Eagles can do to them.
But I think, you know, like you said, this is
a red hot Eagles team. This is a red hot
Chiefs team too, and I think it projects to be
a really, really awesome Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Well, let's dive right into it, man, Let's get into
this matchup. In our predictions Chiefs Eagles super Bowl fifty nine.
Who wins this one? Score prediction, MVP. How's it go down?
Break it down?

Speaker 4 (26:13):
Man?

Speaker 6 (26:13):
I keep going back and forth. Really, it's really tough
for me. I think ultimately it's a pretty low scoring game.
I think the defensive coordinators on either side are the
story of this one. When it's all said and done.
What worries me is I think it might come down to,
you know, who makes that one bad turnover, and I
feel like Jalen Hurts is more likely to do that.

(26:34):
But I'm letting my heart went out on this one.
I'm gonna say, you know, it's a twenty seven to
twenty one Eagles victory.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Hmm, okay, I love it. I will say this. I hope.
I wish that Vegas would do this game right and
put this line at even They never will, but I
wish that they would because that is literally what this
game feels like. I know right now, like you said,
it's a Chiefs one point favorite. I like you have
gone back and forth on this game like crazy, because

(27:05):
there's a matter of especially you know, as a Broncos fan,
you know, working in a Broncos country, there's a bit
of the balance between thinking with your head, thinking with
your heart, thinking with your gut. I have always told
myself I did it with the Tom Brady Patriots, that
you don't pick against certain teams and certain players and
certain coaches. But that's what I'm gonna do right now

(27:26):
in this game, because I'm going with my gut as
much as I believe that Mahomes and Andy Reid and
Travis Kelsey are just the utmost epitome of greatness, and
I think that, honestly, they're gonna go down the record
books as being one of the top dynasties. That the
Mahomes will wind up being, indeed the goat. He's already there,
I think at a talent level, and I think he's
gonna wind up doing it with rings. But he doesn't

(27:47):
get to four in this one because I think the
Eagles are a team of destiny. Jalen I don't think
address the fact that he's the other quarterback in this
but he is, and he's going to be more so
defined as that because of the legendary season that Saquon
Barkley is having. But like you, the difference in this
game will be on the defensive side and who can

(28:10):
force those turnovers and the Eagles have been putting on
tape and watching, and you've seen it. The forcing of
the turnovers. The peanut punch. They will get at least one,
if not two turnovers, not from Mahomes, but from punching
out the ball. That I think will be the difference.
And I think the Eagles will indeed take this ballgame

(28:32):
and put a halt to the potential three peat. We
will continue to not see that history, and who knows
if we ever will. I think the Eagles are gonna
take this game. I think Saquon has a really good day,
not like a legendary day. I don't think he has
like one hundred and fifty plus. I think he's solidly
in there for like one hundred and something in the
teams like one hundred and fifteen yards. Probably does have

(28:53):
a touchdown, maybe two, because I think Jalen will sneak
one in like we always see him do. I think
the Eagles win this ballgame. I think it's gonna be
a fourth quarter game. The Eagles will win this one,
twenty four to twenty three. It's a one point game,
but I'm giving my flipping of the bird to Vegas
and I'm saying it's gonna be one point. But on
the other side. So there you go. That's my that's

(29:15):
my that's my prediction. I like you yeah, man, it's
gonna be a good one again. Big shout out to
KOA and everyone involved that let me go to New
Orleans and cover Super Bowl fifty nine. Encourage everyone to
go check out all that coverage at ko A, Colorado.
There's a lot of good stuff, but people talking about
the Broncos and bon Nicks, a lot of players and coaches.

(29:35):
We talked about spags just over the top, great compliments
for the future of the Broncos and for bon Nicks.
I got it, like I said, exclusive one on one
with Jade Daniels, which you heard there. I got a
chance to chat with everyone there at the Fox Sports
Media Day, I got like I said, I got to
be at the halftime press com Kendrick Lamar some photos
and videos from that as well. But let's now move

(29:58):
on to our great comp conversation talking more about the
Super Bowl and talking about the Broncos a little bit
about his time with the Jets as well. Here is
our conversation to wrap up this episode of A to
Z with Broncos Defensive End and Super Bowl thirty three
champion Mark I'm try again with Broncos defensive end and
Super Bowl thirty three champion Marvin Washington. Let me do

(30:21):
that last tag out real quick, case I mess that up.

Speaker 6 (30:25):
All good, here we go.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
But now let's go ahead and get to our conversation
to wrap up this week's episode of A to Z
with Broncos defensive End and Super Bowl thirty three champion
Marvin Washington. Joining us now here on A to Z
is none other than Super Bowl thirty three champion Marvin Washington. Marvin,
what's going on man? Thanks for spending some time with us.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Nothing, man, I'm excited about tomorrow's game. I mean this
Sunday's game and kind of limbs in the like end
of the football season. It's always sad for it. But
I think we're going to have a good game too
in the season, and I'm I'm just excited super Bowl Sunday.

Speaker 8 (31:08):
It's like a holiday.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Well, let me ask you about the Super Bowl week
leading up into the big game. What are some of
your fondest memories of your time? Obviously your Denver Broncos
took Super Bowl thirty three beating the Falcons. What was that?
What was that week leading up, Like, for you, what
do you remember? What are your fondest memories.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
The fundest memories was sharing it with my friends and
family when they flew in town, you know, my mom
and dad. My dad was still alive, and just sharing
that week with them. You know. As far as the
football side of it, the Broncos and Mike Chanahan, we'd
already put in our game plan, so once we got
to Miami, we were just touching up.

Speaker 8 (31:46):
You know, it wasn't implaid.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
So it was just about mo war, about execution and
timing and some conditioning and yeah, we were ready for
the game. And I think that's Sunday provement.

Speaker 6 (31:58):
And to that. How different is that week leading up?
You know, there is all this extra fan fare and
you know you've got the big media day thing. Now,
Just how different is the build up to that week
than any other week during the season or any other game.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
The week is different, of course, because you know, football teams,
football players or creatures of habit, and you've been practicing
and meeting the same way for seventeen eighteen weeks and
then you get to that week's and it kind of
throws it off. But they try to keep it as
normal as possible. And that's what you know we did
that week. We try to keep it as normal as
possible as we could with media Day and some of

(32:37):
the events that that we went to, But outside of that,
it was a football week. Once we got together and
got just us with the team, it was just a
football week as we were inside our own bubble.

Speaker 6 (32:48):
Was that first week how much game planning was involved
in that first week or is it kind of like
a bye week where they almost want you getting away
from football?

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Oh no, no, no, no. That first week was implementation
of our game plan and by the time we went
to Miami that Monday or that Sunday night, we'd already
have our game plan in. That was a regular week. Yeah,
we we practiced regular we were at the complex and
so nothing changed on that aspect. And uh yeah, I
think that's way teams should do it.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
You've heard a lot of different players over the years
talk about how they try their best again, whether they
accomplished it or not is a different story, but they
try to make the super Bowl just like any other week. Well,
we all know it is nothing like every other week.
But how how what was your mentality in terms of
did you even attempt to do that? Were you successful,

(33:39):
how did you do so if you did, or or
what changed for you on that on that big week.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
You know, you try to make it as normal as
possible uh D during the week, and the Broncos did that.
The difference is we had a eleven pm curfew and
a lot of guys, especially some of the young guys,
wasn't used of that during the week. Everybody has their routine,
but I think that kind of kept us away from
some of the stuff and shenanigans that were happening in

(34:08):
Miami that week, and we got a few hours to
relax and enjoy the moment because you know, we knew
it was a once in a lifetime type of deal,
and we did that, and we.

Speaker 8 (34:19):
Did it on a professional level.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
But our focus was not on the reverie and the
Super Bowl week and whatever. Our focus was on the
game and playing the Falcons and winning the Super Bowl.

Speaker 6 (34:30):
Now you joined that team after their Super Bowl thirty
two victory. Of course, what was the atmosphere like as
this team was trying to chase a repeat? You know,
the she's here trying to chase a three p was it?
I mean Was it different than other years of your
career where you're just chasing a Super Bowl? Was there
this mentality of hey, let's go back to back. We've
got the opportunity to do something really special here.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Now there was there was really wasn't any talk about
going back to back to back, was you know that?
The talk was when our division, you know, and went
each week and we started out I think we were
on fourteen in a row, and we won our division,
get home and got home field advantage, and take it
one at a time, truly took it one at a time.
And when I came, I think they were having their

(35:15):
Super Bowl party and whatever. But they had a lot
of veterans on the team, and they welcomed me, you know,
you know, because I had gone through some rough years
with the New York debts as far as the one
in fifteen and three and thirteen and four and twelve
and all that. I think I served my pittance with
the Jets, and the football gods were blessing me with

(35:35):
the Broncos, and it was just a fun year. I
was in my hometown, I was living downtown. I was
six or seven blocks from the house that I grew
up with in my neighborhood, and I still had my
aunt and my sisters and cousins were there, so it
was a fun year.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
So obviously you were with the Niners the year before
you won the show with the Broncos. Then you went
back to the Niners, so you wouldn't have been there
for this opportunity anyway. And obviously John Elway retired, but
the Broncos, you know, they still could have. It wasn't
with John, but they still could have been a team.
They're in that conversation for a team that could have
three p obviously did not, but no one has ever
done so, no one's ever done So pat Riley isn't

(36:13):
cashing those checks yet for any NFL team to win
that thirty and three in a row just yet. But
he did. He trademarked it, so he is. I mean,
I'll tell you what, he's probably putting every single hope
and prayer into the Chiefs uh doing it that way
he can cast some checks. But my question is to you,
so no, no, the fact that no team's ever done it.

(36:34):
The Broncos weren't able to do it, The Patriots with
Tom Brady weren't able to do there's quite a few
teams that have won a few in a row, but uh,
no one's ever done it. And so for the for
the first my question is the Kansas City Chiefs, a
division rival of the Denver Broncos. Broncos Country obviously is
hoping that they can't get it done. But how do
you how do you look at this Kansas City Chiefs
team in terms of if they were able to three

(36:55):
P Do you think that should be a team that
should three P? Are they worthy of being a first
or do you think that it's not necessarily the team
that you would prefer it to see get it done,
especially as a foreign Bronco.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
You know what worthy and whatever, you got to earn it.
You know, if they win it, then they deserve it
and they earned it. But me personally, I'm hoping that
they don't for a number of reasons, you know, being playing.

Speaker 8 (37:24):
With the Broncos division rival.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
But outside of that is I just think it's Philadelphia's
year and they played pretty close a couple of years ago.
But the difference is now the teams are basically the
same with some parts as always. But the Giants, I mean,
the Eagles have a home run hitter now in Saquon Barkley,
and I think he can make a difference, a big difference,

(37:47):
and he has all season, so I'm pulling for him
to have a big game. Records are made to be broken,
so he's going to break th Real's Davis total yard
for in the season. If he gets thirty eight more yards,
I think he's gonna blow that away. And I think
the Eagles are gonna win a close, tough game. And

(38:11):
then that's my prediction.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
I like it.

Speaker 6 (38:14):
I I think Broncos Country will be very happy with that.
And uh, I think one of the big maybe the
one of the biggest uh uh sorry, got side right there.
I think one of the biggest storylines with this game
are the two you know, great defensive coordinators and defensive schemers.
You know you have on the two sides of this

(38:35):
matchup with Spags and the Chiefs and and Fangio with
the Eagles. When you get to the playoffs and the
Super Bowl, how much more uh opponents specific do the
game plans become? Are you really zeroing in more on
you know, taking away their strengths, are attacking different weeks?

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Not really, You're doing that every week anyway, you know
you're doing that every week anyway.

Speaker 8 (39:00):
I think.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
You know you want to pay attention to their special players,
Like if you're talking about the Chiefs, you're gonna pay
play attention to Chris Jones if you're talking about the
the Eagles. And that's another guy that's gonna make a difference,
Jalen Carter. I think you know he's gonna get to
Patrick mahomes uh and interrupt his rhythm. You know, Patrick

(39:24):
has time to sit back there and pack the ball
and find the open receivers, and the Chiefs are gonna win,
probably going away. But I don't I don't see that happening.
I think Jalen Carter is the other wild card that's
gonna make a difference.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Back to back to Saquon Barkley, because in terms of
reasons why teams win, I think that the Eagles chances
uh dramatically dwindle uh if Saquon doesn't have a pretty
big time day here against against Spag's defense. The importance
of the running back position, obviously playing on the on
the on the defensive side, you know, just the running

(39:57):
back position when when you've got an elite runner, I
know I talked with I was over in New Orleans
for for media week and I was chacking with chatting
with CJ. Two K. Obviously he's a legendary Titans running back.
Another guy that's round for two K, and he just said,
you look at that look at that Eagles team, Uh,
you know two years ago and what they were and
then what they've become when they add a guy the

(40:17):
caliber of of Saquon Barkley. The Broncos now, obviously Javonte Williams,
Rodre Guessta, Major, Lil McLaughlin all all in their own
right have have have had moments of being pretty darn
good runners. But in terms of a great runner, what
do you think the Broncos could get if they were

(40:37):
able whether it be be a draft or free agency
or or if they're able to trade for like a
Jonathan Taylor. H what do you think what Broncos would
get with an elite runner?

Speaker 8 (40:47):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (40:47):
And and with this offense of what you've seen with
with with the bow Nicks and and Sean Payn's.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Ay, yeah yeah, yeah, Well, you know, I know they
always talk about the running back position is devalued or
running backsot that value. They're not that valuable on bad teams.
They're not that valuables on teams that have average quarterbacks
or average defense. But I think we've seen it this
year that if you put a great running back on

(41:13):
a solid team like Derrick Henry did up in Baltimore
and Saquan did and Philly, the running back value value
goes up and he's probably the most valuable player on
that team. And so if the Broncos get somebody like
Jonathan Taylor, they got a good young quarterback, they got
a great offensive line as their head coach, and they

(41:36):
got a good defense, the Broncos will be right back there,
man and the f C west Man, it's going to
be something with Pete Curles won a Super Bowl, Andy
Reids won a Super Bowl, Jim Harbow's won a national,
a national championship. And then you got what's the other
the other team San Diego, Denver, Kansas City. Yeah, those

(41:58):
are two Carol, Carol, it's gonna be tough, man, it's
gonna be tough. But if they get a running back
they can make he can make a difference.

Speaker 6 (42:08):
Fully agree, I'm kind of talking about those running backs
and now they can make a difference. You were part
of the broadcast team that won it. Super Bowl thirty three.
Saquon Barkley right now is challenging. I think he actually
passed Treill Davis' records for most rushing yards in a season,
regular season and postseason combined that ninety seven and ninety
eight season, we're one and two all time. What was

(42:31):
it like practicing against TV or just being part of
that historic playoff run of his in general.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
You know, my first practice, it was just the speed
of the practice in that zone zone blocking scheme that
Alex give had implemented. It just taught me like, you
got to have got discipline each every gap across the line,
because if you don't, you know, and you got a
home run hitter back there, he's gonna take it out

(43:00):
the park and take it to the house. And I
was lucky enough to see Darrell Davis do that, man,
And it was just the joy to watch, man, Because
if the Broncos offensive offense line compromised anybody's defense with
just one gap where one guy made a mistake, Torell
was was was having a big game.

Speaker 8 (43:19):
It was it was. It was a thing and beauty
to watch.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
So diving a bit more into this uh, this Super
Bowl matchup, Marvin, I know you just mentioned that you
you think the Eagles are going to take this one,
but I want to I want you to talk about, uh,
the the greatness for Pat Mahomes. Famously, in the last
week or so, I've been getting quite a quite a
bit of flak because here in Broncos Country, obviously, you
say one good thing about Kansas City Chiefs, uh, then

(43:43):
immediately you're You're dead to half of Broncos Country, it
seems like. But in terms of appreciating the greatness of
what we've what we've witnessed over the last couple of years,
you mentioned obviously not only being worthy if they win
this uh super Bowl, but obviously earning this thing. How
do how do you look at this, this dynasty and
the impact that obviously it'll have on in this matchup.

(44:04):
What are your thoughts of kind of overall about what
she's been able to do?

Speaker 1 (44:07):
You know what, with Patrick Mahomes, I think we need
to appreciate what we're seeing.

Speaker 4 (44:11):
You know.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
I know Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson have won the
MVP the past few years, but it's just like in
back in the nineties late eighties, Michael Jordan was the
MVP and the best player in the league for about
twelve straight years. Yeah, and he only won five MVPs.
I think Patrick Mahomes has been the best player in

(44:34):
the NFL for the past six to seven years. It's
not going to show it as far as MVP in
the regular season, but he gets his accolades and everything
and everything in the postseason and if they win again,
then he's right up there with Tom Brady. He's right
up there with all the great quarterbacks that have won

(44:54):
multiple Super Bowls. But I think he'll be the first
one with three. I know Joe Montana has a couple,
Steve y'all, well, Troy Aikman has three, you know, but
he I think he's in that conversation. And he's still young,
so you know, the inc is it has a drive
on his career. It's still being written, and I think
we all just sit back and enjoy, you know, because

(45:17):
he's once in a lifetime, once in the generation type of.

Speaker 6 (45:21):
Play, incredibly special talent. I fully agree with you. But
when it comes to and it's honestly really cool to
the point you were just making, we're already having these
conversations about you know, could they Dethron Brady or de
Throne Belichick in that greatest of all time conversation for
you what would it take for them to dethron Brady

(45:42):
or de Throne Belichick. Is it just going to come
down to rings? Is it a combination of rings in MVPs?
Is it just you know it when you see it?

Speaker 2 (45:49):
What is it?

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Yeah? I think it's like you know when you said,
and if they win this one, this three in a row.
You know, and Airy I talks about like Patrick Mahomes,
he has a ways to go. But Andy reives is
only i think thirty six away from Donjula, so he'd
get that. You know, he's been pretty consistent. We don't
talk enough about the greatness of Andy Reid. You know

(46:11):
what he did in Philly, what he's doing in Kansas City.
And this is like a historic run. And I think
the Chiefs are going to do everything they can to
keep this coming and do to the way the NFL
is set up with salary caps and you know, franchise
players and tags, this that and the other. The movement
is not like it can be in basketball or baseball.

(46:32):
So they're going to keep their core players and I
think they're gonna have a pretty good run. They have
a pretty good organization as far as personnel. They don't
miss they plugging guys and get free agents at the
right time and give Patrick Mahomes the weapons that he
needs to win.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Just a couple more here for you, Marvin, And we're
talking with Marvin Washington, former Broncos defensive end. Obviously won
Super Bowl thirty three with the Broncos. Ran chat with
them about leaf well here in a second, something great
he's doing. He's passionate about cannabis reform. Marvin, the Denver
Broncos currently, I know obviously you just spent one year here.
You want the seerwol the Broncos. I want to definitely
ask you about the Jets here in the second as well.

(47:09):
Who spent a good chunk of your career with the
Denver Broncos Right now? Do you do you pay attention
to them from Afar? Are you dialed into what the
Big every Sunday? Every every Sunday, I'm dowting with the
I love it bow Knicks man, what do you what's
your take on that? On that rookie season, what Sean
Payton's been able to do and what do you think
the what do you think that the future holds?

Speaker 1 (47:30):
You know what bow means and Jalen Well from the Commanders,
I think NFL teams need to look at that. These
are guys that mature quarterbacks have started five years in college,
you know, and so they came out they were ready,
they were ready to be developed and play at the
pro level. You know, some of these NFL teams they

(47:50):
take guys that's been two year starters and one year starters.

Speaker 4 (47:53):
And what have you.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
But if you take a guy like uh, that's a
five year starter. And Bill Parceales has some for sort
of criteria where I would take a guy that started
three years graduate, this, that and the other. I think
those two hit on all of them. You know. And
last year before the draft, I was saying if anybody
was going to make it, I wasn't that high on Jayden,

(48:16):
but I was high on bow Knicks, you know, sing
send him in the SEC Conference, in in the Pact sixteen,
Big ten, whatever it was at the time. But I
knew he had the biggest chance to make it because
number one, he had started five years in college, played
a lot of football. Number two, he was going to
an offensive mining coach that had had successful quarterbacks before,

(48:40):
and so he fell into the right place and I
think his arrow is going to come up, and that's
the guys's going to challenge the Chiefs dynasty in a
deep AFC West with you know, with Herbert, with Mahomes
and bow Knicks. You know, those are the three of
the top ten quarterbacks to me and in my mind

(49:00):
going into next year.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
I fully agree.

Speaker 6 (49:05):
I think that's going to be an amazing division race
to watch. Fun to have the Broncos back in the
mix there. Kind of to the other end of the
spectrum though, with your Jets, how do you feel about
their I guess latest turnaround effort bringing in Aaron Glen,
bringing in Darren Mujie from the Broncos, and then how

(49:25):
do you what do you think is holding them down
consistently or holding them back? Is it team culture? Is
it just bad luck with quarterbacks or what is it?

Speaker 4 (49:33):
To you?

Speaker 8 (49:34):
I think it's culture.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
You know, the Jets practice is hard and have good
players and what have you. But it's a culture. You know,
because I've gone from a culture that wasn't conducive to
winning to two coaches that weren't conducive to winning.

Speaker 8 (49:52):
And that's what it is.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
And I've told your reporters up here that if they
get out of Aaron Glenn's way, let him implement his program,
and and they put their program together and it's all
about football, then the Jets are going to have the
chance to to you know, have successful seasons, go deep
into playoffs, and have a chance to play with the
Lombardi Trophy. But if they still get interference from you know,

(50:15):
upstairs and the owners, I don't think it's going to
be successful at all.

Speaker 8 (50:18):
And the last thing I said about.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
That is I know Aaron Glenn will not disappoint the Jets.
I just hope the Jets don't disappoint him.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
M hmmm, Mark, Marvin, Let's let's let's talk. Let's talk
about Leaf. Well, Man, I know, obviously after after you retire,
you you turned to something you're really passionate about, which
is obviously cannabis reform. Uh, you know, even a long
term advocate for for potential cannabis, you know, for pay
management also, uh, you know, traumatic brain injury CTE and
Leaf Weell I was reading up on man. Yeah, the

(50:50):
world's largest virtual care clinic from medical cannabis and they've
got that that the the data driven cannabis research, and
you're an advisor with him, tell us about leaf Well.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
Uh, I think lephole is something that you know, those
that have been in cannabis for over a decade, like myself,
we've always envisioned something like this happened because most of
the stuff that you hear about cannabis, as far as
the medicinal benefits have been anecdotally. Now leaf Well is
bringing the data to science and the stats to it
and showing how it can improve your life and your workforce.

(51:24):
You know through doctors, you know doctor's patients and then
the science that we have and it's kind of care
telemed and it's making cannabis what it is. Cannabis is
medicine and leaf Well believes it's medicine, and leaf Well
can prove it's improved that it's medicine. And the thing

(51:44):
is is that I tell people like nobody's trying to
get high just to get high. Everybody's trying to feel better,
and leath Well has the status that can show that
you can feel better and you are better as far
as it cuts down on doctor's visit it cuts down
on opiates and benzo diazepines. It makes a healthier workforce.
And so these are things that leap Well was taking

(52:07):
to municipalities. They're taking to labor unions, and they're taking
the sports teams.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
You've been having cos that's exactly where I was going
to go. You've been having conversations with different players' unions
to integrate, integrate this through the cbas. How have those
conversations gone, When of those conversations begin, and how do
you vision the hopefully those conversations conversations continuing.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
You know, it just started, okay, And my first target
was the NBA alumni because the NBA has always been
the most progressive league as far as social and social issues.
And I had a very good conversation with a board
member and it's happened in like a perfect storm with
the NBA union because they're the first union they gave

(52:49):
their players full on healthcare and this guy is a
proponent of it. We played for the same guy because
I played basketball for Don Haskins and he was on
the seventy two Olympic team, So he knows about cannabis
and he's going to take you to the board and
they just got a new president who was a guy
that I hosted when I was at playing basketball YouTube,
Antonio Davis. And so when they're All Star weekend, this

(53:13):
is the leaf Well. We sent him a nice little
package information package for the board to go over and
we expect to hear back from that. And this week
I've touched base with Major League Baseball and I haven't
touched with the NFLPA yet, but I'm going to next week.
Everybody this month to Big Four and I think you

(53:35):
know the thing is is once they hear what here,
what Leafwell has to offer and just follow the science,
I think our reception is going to be as good
as it was with the nf NBA PA.

Speaker 6 (53:49):
One thing I'm curious about with leaf Well is I mean,
you talking with all these different athlete unions, it's clearly
been a solution for you in your post sports career.
Why why do you endorse cannabis? Why do you think
it is such a great tool for these athletes in
their you know, post career journey.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
You know what, if you want to talk about like vice, vice,
drugs and advices, I would put cannabis above alcohol. I
would put cannabis above opiates and benzo diazepines because it's
non toxic, non addictive, it's natural, and we've been medicat
with cannabis for thousands and thousands of years, and we're

(54:33):
getting back to it now. We have something that we're
combining with doctor's patients and insurance too. I feel I
left that part out in insurance companies to give the
candid care, canic care, and give up our patients the
best results that they can get. That's what it is,
and it's non toxic, non addictive, and also we are

(54:56):
we can show you how you can mitigate the use
of cannabis because going into a school district, you know,
and in a legal state, your staff is probably already
medicate with cannabis anyway. But you don't want your fifth
grade math teacher tripping out in a classroom because she
took the wrong delsic or the wrong strain. You get

(55:18):
with a doctor, you get the right strain for your
indication and know how to take it. You'll have a
healthy workforce.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Last question here on leaf well Marve before we get
your official score prediction of Super Bowl fifty nine, what
do you envision the next five ten years if you
had to perfectly lay out the roadmap for the cannabis
industry and how it addresses pay management and everything with
you know, like I said, with the brain injury and CTE,
the assistance with the cannabis industry and the cannabis industry

(55:44):
as a whole. What does that roadmap look like in
a perfect scenario for you for the last for the
next five ten years.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
You know, when I first got in, it was everything
was if if. Now it's when. And I think leaf
Clovis is going to go a long way into to
have that win, and we're showing that it can work,
and I think it's going to work through municipalities, through
unions throughout society, you know, because we're going to lose
a generation if we keep going down that opiate addiction

(56:12):
track that we're on right now. And we're talking about
plant based medicine, and plant based medicine is going to
be led by cannabis, you know. I know there are
other plant based medicine with psychoedolics and mushrooms, what have you,
But I think it's going to be led by cannabis.
And with what leaf Well is doing in the platform
that they have, I think other people are going to

(56:32):
try to duplicate it and to replicate it, but we're
going to lead the way, man, And I'm excited about
I'm excited about taking it to my union. I'm excited
about given former players, you know, like there's thirty two
hundred current players, but through twenty two thousand former players
that can benefit from it, and most of them are

(56:54):
still dealing with opiate addiction and benzo with diazepine addiction
and all those other things and health addiction and CT
and anxiety and whatever. In cannabis can be the cure.
And I'm excited about. And I think if you projected
out five or ten years, you're gonna see it's gonna
be legal on the federal level, and it's going to
be tax and regulated just like they do alcohol.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
Real quick, of any of your teammates from the Broncos,
your ROWL thirty three squad joined in at least maybe
not just would leave, well, but anyone else on this,
on this, on this this fight as well.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
A lot most of them have, most of them have.
And I can remember Super Bowl eighteen in twenty eighteen,
I was in Minnesota and I had a conversation about
Terrell Davis and I know he jumped into the pool
with a CVD company and a lot of my teammates
from that team, and throughout my career, you know, they
come to me for cannabis advice, and I've been in

(57:50):
the industry long enough to send them products that can
help them, whether it's as CBD or if it's if
they're close by, whatever I hand to deliver from some
thac But cannabis is medicine, always has been, always will be.
And I'm with the largest integrated telemed cannabis company in

(58:11):
the industry, and I'm happy to keep pushing this ball
down down the field.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Well Leaf Well is going to do well with you
as an advisor and really an ambassador for this because
that's fascinating stuff. So we're thrilled to hear about that. Finally,
before we let you go, official prediction, Now you said Eagles,
but official score prediction? How you think the game is
going to kind of go? And then who's Super Bowl MVP?

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Super Bowl MVP SA Kuon Barkley twenty eight, twenty twenty eight,
twenty four The Eagles. It's going to be a tough game,
and the team that makes the least amount of mistakes
is going to win. But look out for the two
players that I told you about, Jalen Carter and sa
Kuon Barkley. I think they're going to make a world

(58:55):
of difference.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
All right, Marvin Well, it's been an absolute tree and
a lot pleasure for both Zach and I here on
a to z You're you're officially our first guest here
on the show because this is our new platform, here,
a new podcast underneath the umbrella of the Broncos flagship
radio station KOA. So we appreciate you you breaking that
barrier for us, and that was awesome.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Hey, listen, this was awesome man. And KOA is like
a legendary iconic UH station, whether it was the radio
or TV in Denver. And like I said, I'm from
Denver and I'm happy to do it with you guys.
And next year, hopefully we'll be talking about the Broncos
being in this position, and then I'll be a homer
all the way.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Yes, yes, And then we'll have to get we'll have
to get on Radio Row there there in San fran
We'll have you join us there on.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
I'll be I'll be joined with all my leaf boy
gear and we'll tell you about the progress that leaf
Well has.

Speaker 8 (59:44):
Made in a year.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
There you go, all right, Marvin, It's been a treat,
but we appreciate you.

Speaker 8 (59:49):
All right, thank you, Thank you for a good weekend.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Guys, thank you once again for listening to another episode
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