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Speaker 1 (00:01):
welcome to a winning situation, you guys.
Today with me I have Carrie,and I'm going to let Miss Carrie
take it away and tell us herstory and I'm going to ask her
questions and then we'll see howthis interview naturally goes.
And so welcome, carrie.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Thank you, Wyn, for having me here today.
I truly appreciate you.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
And Keri.
What is your story?
How did you start doing whatyou're doing?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Well, I do a variety of things.
I am a clinical certifiedhypnotherapist, been doing that
for a little over 20 years andhave been voted the best in my
area for the past 14 consecutiveyears, so I must be good at
something.
And I am a empowermentstrategist and also a human
(01:02):
consciousness guide strategistand also a human consciousness
guide, and I have a backgroundin mental health,
trauma-informed, trained in NLP.
Just like you, I'm a podcasteras well and also do blog posts.
But, yes, all my focus is abouthelping people live a better
life.
What's got you stuck?
Why are you self-sabotagingyourself?
(01:24):
You know how?
How can I help you be the bestversion of you?
So that's really my whole focusfor the last 20 years plus.
So that's that's me, and what?
Speaker 1 (01:36):
what got you into this field in the first place?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
It's really interesting because, like most
people, I did what I was told.
You know, okay, if I want toput a roof over my head and
support myself, I need to get ajob.
And so I did a lot of stuffaround the area of HR and
management, sales and marketing,yada, yada.
(02:02):
But then I kind of got tired ofit and when 9-11 happened and
the economy tanked, I had tomake some hard, hard choices
because I couldn't find a joband I actually did a YouTube
video about why I became ahypnotherapist.
But I will tell you this thatthat was exactly what I was
(02:25):
meant to do and it is my calling, my purpose, and the job was
literally handed to me.
I mean, it was so incrediblyamazing and I'm just very
blessed about that.
So if anyone wants to learnmore about it, you can go to
YouTube Empowered Within, andthere's a thing in there about
(02:45):
you know all about me.
You can go to YouTube EmpoweredWithin and there's a thing in
there about you know all aboutme, you know break it down.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Awesome.
I feel the same way.
My job was literally handed tome during COVID.
I mean, during COVID, I had ajob.
I had a job in the workforce.
As you guys know, I have adisability, so when that job got
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laid off, my other job wasreally handed to me.
I still had a job, unbeknownstto me, which is a full-time
content creator.
I just ramped it up even more.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, no, it's great when the universe presents
something totally different thatwasn't even on your radar and
it's like, oh, this is what I'msupposed to be doing.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Yep, Yep, Yep.
Exactly.
So who has been your favoritecase you have worked with?
Who has been the case you'rethinking, oh my God, why did I
get into this?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Why did I get into this?
I'd say my favorite case waswhen a Catholic nun came to me
with PTSD and I literally it wasinteresting because I had PTSD
at the time.
She had PTSD and I was ready toquit what I was doing because I
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got taken to the cleaners andrun through the you know just
crazy making of dealing with umsomeone that was narcissistic
and just tried to ruineverything in my my life and I
was just like questioninghumanity I mean just seriously
deep questions.
And so universe brought me thisCatholic nun and we formed a
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great um relationship and sheactually convinced me not to
quit what I was doing, which was, you know.
I'm very thankful for that andum, we became really good
friends and she even called meher spiritual advisor, which you
know if she said, if theCatholic Church knew I said that
they'd kick me out of themonastery, which is very
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unfortunate, very, veryunfortunate.
The worst one I've had issomeone that's so stuck in
victimhood and they're soinvested in their story that, no
matter how much you, you try tocalm their anxiety and and help
(05:39):
them change, some people justaren't ready for it and it's
heartbreaking.
It really is heartbreaking.
And and that's the hard part isthat one person I had to set
boundaries with them and um, andI ended up having to just drop
them as a client, cause I'm like, look, you know I'm I'm really
(06:03):
trying to help you here, but youyelling at me and getting angry
at me is not making me want tosay, oh, let's keep you as a
client, you know, because we canrefuse service.
There's.
You know.
There's a reason whyrestaurants and companies have
those signs, you know if youcan't show common decency to one
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another, then no, it doesn'twork.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
No, exactly, and personally you know who you are,
but it took a person in my lifeeight years to tell me about
Codependence Anonymous.
Oh yeah, codependents Anonymous.
Oh yeah, codependents Anonymoussaves my butt, because I used
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to be a control freak and I satin the victimhood for such a
long time that it's like reallyReally, for such a long time
that it's like Really Really.
So the reason why I'm sayingthis Code Dependence Anonymous
thing Is, if you guys Feel stuckand if you guys Feel like you
(07:18):
need to get out Vixen, go tryCode Dependence Anonymous Before
you go see a nurse therapist,and also go try and see a
counselor before you go into therules, because humans can only
help other humans so much.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
That's true, but I do have some piece of advice in in
that area.
When because I actually, when Iwas in my 20s, I did go to one
of those group things and theyare great.
It was very helpful.
The only thing that I wouldstress to everyone is you want
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to go on the minds, go into itwith the mindset.
I'm heal here to heal andunderstand the patterns within
myself and what caused me tobecome codependent.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, you really have to.
And why I say that is I'veexperienced child abuse before
and as an adult in my 20s, andit's sexual child abuse.
Just blurt that out.
And I was attending a groupthing you know to to heal,
(08:41):
thinking that, okay, maybe ifI'm in this group I can learn
different ways to heal, and allI heard was people complaining,
complaining and complaining andstaying stuck in their victim
and mentality.
And I had to.
I eventually stopped goingbecause I'm like no, I'm here to
find out how, how I can heal,how this.
(09:03):
And here's one thing that Ilearned that I thought was the
best advice possible.
So I was at a heart math seminarwith my mom and I was telling
the guy that I was strugglingwith trying to heal from the
childhood wounds of sexual abuse.
And he said well, I want you tosit down and write on a piece
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of paper all the positive thingsthat having that experience has
made you.
Has it made you a better personor not?
Or where are you stuck?
Now?
You know like, are you stuck inthis?
This is that.
Write it down, the pros and thecons.
And at the end he looked at thelist with me and he said do you
realize you already healed,you've become such a better
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person from that experience.
You don't have to wear thatlabel thinking that, oh, I'm
always going to be a sexualabuse survivor.
He said let that label go andlive.
And that's the thing that keptme stuck.
When is everyone else's beliefsor concepts or ideas about it?
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And I was holding on to it,thinking that, well, maybe I'm
not healed yet, maybe I'm nothealed yet, but I was Isn't that
(10:35):
?
interesting that through yourown self-healing you turned out
to be healed.
Yes, well, I read a lot ofbooks like by John Bradshaw,
like Heal, the Shame that Bindsyou.
I was reading books aboutcodependency.
I was going to um, to therapy,and and, and really wanting to
understand.
You know, what are the patternsin me, what are the behaviors?
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What created this or made mebecome like this and that's what
I've discovered in my practiceis I always want to dive into
the why.
Why are we acting this way?
Why are we saying these thingsor behaving this way?
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And what is holding us back?
Because it's always somethinginternally or externally.
Because it's always somethinginternally or externally.
So the external would be likeyour family members, their
thoughts about you, your friends, your church, your religion,
your culture, your society,environment, how they molded you
, and are they limiting you fromthe full potential of who you
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could be.
Or is it the thoughts we thinkabout ourselves?
Is it our negative critic?
Is it our our wounded ego?
Is it our our self-sabotagingthat we, you know, do our
procrastination Like?
What is it?
That's literally, you know theroadblock, that's that's holding
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it back.
And to me, to me.
You always got to figure out.
What's the why?
What is it?
Yeah, through my journey withworking with people, and
especially trying to betterpeople's lives with disabilities
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, I've had to really focus on mytraumas, to heal them, to get
on to my next chapter yeah, no,I, I, I fully agree, because our
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when you know someone is stillwounded and has a trauma story
is when they immediately say ohyeah, let me tell you about what
so-and-so did to me.
Oh, let me tell you about whatso-and-so did to me, oh, let me
tell you what happened to me inthis?
you know, in 2012, september,they start going straight into
their story, and that is whatpeople should really stop and
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look at.
It is how is that story holdingme back?
What is that story, you know,doing for me?
Is it keeping me stuck in blameand victimhood and addictive
behaviors?
Or is this story still got mestuck in regret or or self-doubt
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, or shame?
You know what?
What is it?
I always say it's a lower stateof consciousness, but what is
it?
Because a lot of people wedon't share our happy stories.
A lot of times we share ourpain stories.
I mean, do you notice that whenyou work with people?
Yeah, yeah.
Always.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
I notice that and I had a person ask me and luckily
I handed it over.
She goes I wasn't notified ofthis.
I said, yeah, you were.
It was in newsletter.
You just had to sign up for thenewsletter, you would have
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gotten the information.
Why not through the newsletter?
You would have gotten theinformation.
And so I'm trying to make thatclear to people, because one of
the projects I am working on,they've got to find out the
information themselves to helpme.
Right, and we can't.
(14:47):
What I'm saying is we can'tjust feed people information and
not have them do somethingabout it to better their own
lives.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
That's the key thing, and I'm so glad when you
brought that up, because whatyou're really saying is actions
speak louder than words, yep.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Actions speak louder than the words in my book.
It's always been my philosophythat actions speak louder than
the words in my book, and humanscan't feed other humans the
information.
We've got to start taking careof ourselves.
We've got to start helpingbeing kind to other humans.
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We've got to start helpingother humans the best way we can
100%.
Thank you for saying thatYou're welcome for saying that,
and let's talk a little bitabout your podcast.
Now, is it something you cameup with on your own, or how did
(16:02):
you get into podcasting?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Well, the first.
It's real interesting becauseand I just came out this year
sharing this, so you don't knowthis about me when but I am the
author of the book theundetected narcissist Angela
Meyer, that's my pen name, and Iwas inspired by a lot of people
(16:27):
to start the podcast theUndetected Narcissist, because
too many people, and even myself, when I was trying to
understand narcissism, Icouldn't find people that came
from, let's say, my kind ofperspective, because I learned
that we humans create thesepeople and if you don't like
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them, we got to learn how tostop creating them.
And my premise is I come fromcompassion, wisdom, forgiveness
and understanding, not hate,anger and fear.
And that's what I kept runninginto when I was trying to heal
was too many people were likehate, anger, fear, hate, anger,
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fear.
And what inspired me was no,you need to come from a softer
approach, because you can't healcoming from hate, anger and
fear.
It creates more walls.
You need to dismantle the walls, understand why you brought
this person into your life, whatlessons you needed to learn
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from that experience so youdon't repeat it.
Yeah, rooms, which is abouthuman consciousness.
What is 3D, 4d, 5d?
To really help people evolve ashuman beings, you know, really
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get out of the black and whitethinking, the, the power, hungry
, the.
You know the greed, the lust,you know everything, all that
craziness.
And to be better humans, whereyou are kind, you're
compassionate, there's equality,there's cooperation, there's
forgiveness, there's acceptance,and that all of that is not
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just you give to others but youhave to give it to yourself.
And that's the hard truth is, alot of people have a hard time
accepting themselves completely.
You know they they hate theirbodies, they hate the way they
look, they, they hate this andthat about themselves.
And no, we have to seriouslygive ourselves more grace and
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more kindness, because I say, ifyou want this world to be a
better place, it starts with youfirst.
You have to.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yeah, you have to embody it, you have to become it
because you're, you know youreally do.
It's that same saying when weget on an airplane, put on your
oxygen mask first before you putit on your kids.
Yeah, there's a reason why.
And so working on yourself issuch a crucial thing, because
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then you're the living exampleof, like you said, when I'm no
longer in the victim mindset,I'm a better person because I
gave myself that gift.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
And that inspires people.
It inspires people to want toachieve what you have achieved.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I am so into and people are learning this about
me.
I had surgery back in February.
I had surgery back in April too.
Was I a victim about my surgeryback in April?
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No, was I a victim about havingthe doctors breaking my femur
and my nuts to me?
No, I've learned how to dealwith a broken femur and people
are amazed how independent I am,even with the challenges I have
(20:25):
.
I'm like what am I going to do?
Sit here and be a victim aboutit?
Sit here and war with me aboutit?
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
And that's a beautiful quality and a
beautiful trait and I would wishwith all my heart and soul that
more people could make thatshift as you did as you did.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Well, I finally learned after my abuse what
cerebral palsy was and whatcerebral palsy is and how it
impacts me personally.
And then I accepted it, and Iaccepted the broken bones and
the broken spirit and moved onand got my knee repaired and
then I'm slowly but surelyhealing.
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So it's taking a little bitlonger, guys, than I thought,
but it's okay, that's becausethey broke my femur, but I don't
sit here and be a victim aboutit and war with me.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
No, and that's a beautiful trait.
So thank you, and I really hopethat you know you do inspire
other people to realize that weall have a choice.
We have a choice to stay in bedand feel sorry for ourselves,
or we have a choice to pickourselves up and make the most
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of what we can with what we gotto get to know you and get to
understand your work.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
where could they find you?
And where could they find youand where could they find your
work?
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Well, you can go to mastertheeperroomscom.
There's a bunch of free stuffon there.
If you just click on free stuff, there's free images, free
eBooks, three MP3 downloads.
I even do a free 15 minuteconsultation.
If you just want to know, likehey, could you know, could she
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help me with something or couldshe not?
People can find me there.
I'm on YouTube, which is Masterthe Upper Rooms.
There's a bunch of interviewsand things that I do, and then
there's the podcast, master theUpper Rooms, and there's even
the Undetected Narcissist.
If you're dealing with anybodynarcissistic, you can go to that
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one.
And actually I am starting theundetected narcissist season
four again in June next um, nextweek actually and I was
inspired by too many peoplesaying, oh, you know, you still
got to do this.
This stuff has helped.
So I'm going to be talkingabout codependency, I'm talking
(23:26):
about how to forgive theunforgivable.
I've got like a list of 25topics that I'm going to share
on.
I think it is the second orthird of June to say this is
what I'm going to do, and thenit will include a lot of healing
tools, um like journaling ideas, free meditations, um metaphor
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stories to help people reallyget it.
Or you just Google my name KeriK-E-R-I-E.
Last name Logan.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
That's a good way too .
I you would be really proud ofme.
I actually, well, I will neverforget this, will never forget
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this.
I actually forgave part of myteam who abused me and I hope
she took it to heart.
But I'm ready to forgive myabuser when she's ready to come
out of the woodwork and speak tome again.
But I forgave her sister, whoalso added fuel to the fire
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because of my abuse, and itwasn't a raid, by any means.
It was two family members thatabused me, both my mom's sisters
that abused me.
So far, I have forgiven the oneand I'm ready to forgive the
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other one, the main abuser, whenshe's ready to be forgiven,
Because I am a better humanbecause of my abuse.
Believe it or not, I haveeducated myself on my own
disability.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yes, and that's a gift.
Yeah, it is a gift, just likehow I said before, from all the
abuse that I've experienced,yeah, it made me a better person
.
It taught me more of how weshould treat human beings.
You know, violence is not theanswer.
We should be kind andcompassionate.
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And two our words matter,because our words can be more
damaging than physical abuse,because your arm could heal, but
if someone said something thatcut you like a knife, that could
still be stuck in your sideeven when that person dies.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah, I mean, we've got to be very careful what we
say to humans and we've got tobe very careful how we present
it.
You know and this is public,it's a public forum that I did
(26:28):
for the Episcopal Church I spokeon mental health issues and how
clergy could help theirparishioners with mental health
issues, because people won'tcome out of the woodwork to say,
(26:48):
frankly, I have mental healthissues, and one of the things I
said was you might just have tobe the silent witness until
they're ready to talk about it.
Correct, you might just have to.
You can't pull mental healthissues out of anyone and
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everyone.
You just may have to be thesilent witness until they're
ready to talk about it.
But mental health issues havemade me a stronger person, along
with my abuse of me, and it'sall about the lives we lead, and
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so I hope that you guys enjoyedthis episode and I hope that
you will support Carrie and herwork on the podcast.
I will certainly be listeningin and binging and, carrie, do
you have any questions for mebefore we end this interview?
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Yes, I had some fun ones actually.
Okay, so the first one is ifyou could be an animal for a day
, which animal would you pickand why?
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Oh geez, if I can be an animal for a day, which
animal would I pick?
Well, this would surprisepeople, and people that know me
know I'm little and know thatI'm little but mighty.
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And if I could pick an animalfor a day, I would say a bird,
because they make beautifulnoises.
Except when they're mad, theymake beautiful noises, and I
would love to make beautifulnoises.
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It would either be a bird or agiraffe.
Ironically, because giraffesare tall and they stand up tall,
and I wish I had the power ofstanding up tall, but I don't,
and so it would either makebeautiful noises or stand up
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tall.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Okay, now this next question is kind of interesting.
Have you ever had a dream whereyou're flying?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Have I ever had a dream where you're flying?
Have I ever had a dream?
Yes, I actually have had adream where I was flying.
It was a long time ago.
It was actually two weeks aftermy mom died, and I lost her in
2010, august 2010.
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So I actually had a dream whereI was flying two weeks after
she died.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
That's pretty cool.
No, that's pretty cool becauseit kind of lined up with the
bird thing.
Okay, next question.
The third question is if youhad to pick between one or one
of these, I'm going to give youtwo options.
So let's say we lived in amagical world and you could swim
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in the ocean and talk to allthe fish and create your own
paradise under the ocean.
Would you pick that one?
Or would you want to live onland where you're friends with
all the animals on land and youcould even fly, if you wanted,
with the birds?
Which one would you want theocean or the land?
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I would pick the ocean.
Just because I'm a beach baby,I'm a Cancer.
Okay, so Cancer's myastrological sign.
Yes, it's my birthday nextmonth.
I said I'm people tell me I actmore like a Gemini than I'm
Cancer, but I feel like I actmore like a Cancer and, for
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those of you that don't know,cancers are water babies to
begin with and we get very, veryemotional and we are strong and
stubborn.
So ocean would be my first pick.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Okay, now the last question and I don't even think
you know about this.
I didn't know about this untiljust recently, so you know who
Jeff Bezos is, right?
Yes, okay.
Well, he is creating a.
He wants to create a spacestation up in um, up in there,
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up in our space station, and heis creating it where it's a
world where people can liveliterally up in space.
They're going to have land,water, all of that.
Would you ever go up there andlive, or would you want to stay
down here on Earth?
Speaker 1 (32:08):
and try to change, I'll stay down here on Earth.
Thank you very much.
Okay, I am not.
I am a believer in those coolthings, but I am not paying my
second with all the thousanddollars for a up in this space.
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No way.
Thank you very much, no way.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
What I look at it is we should be solving the
problems down here and fix thatbefore you try to build
something up there in space.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
I definitely agree.
I definitely agree.
I definitely agree.
We should be fixing and youguys know this, we should be
fixing all the rights for thedisabled before we takeged,
slash the disabled.
And I say this loud and clearbecause what I've come across in
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my own life is shocking andit's like really fix the humans
on planet Earth before youdecide to spend over a million
dollars to take a ride up tospace.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Correct.
No, I fully agree.
It's like you know you're goingto destroy the planet down here
and then build something upthere where it's like oh, it's
not my responsibility anymore.
And it's like yeah, to me it'syeah.
Okay, wyn, I have enjoyed youso much today.
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I've truly enjoyed you.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Well, I have too, and I hope you guys enjoyed another
fabulous episode.
And go support Carrie in herwork and go figure out how to be
a kind human being and gofigure out the path you lead and
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go support KIN, go support thepodcast, and I will see you guys
soon with another fabulousepisode.
Thank you guys.
Bye you guys, with anotherfabulous episode.
Thank you guys.
Bye you guys.
Thank you, bye.
welcome to a winning situation, you guys.
Today with me I have Carrie,and I'm going to let Miss Carrie
take it away and tell us herstory and I'm going to ask her
questions and then we'll see howthis interview naturally goes.
And so welcome, carrie.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Thank you, Wyn, for having me here today.
I truly appreciate you.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
And Keri.
What is your story?
How did you start doing whatyou're doing?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Well, I do a variety of things.
I am a clinical certifiedhypnotherapist, been doing that
for a little over 20 years andhave been voted the best in my
area for the past 14 consecutiveyears, so I must be good at
something.
And I am a empowermentstrategist and also a human
(01:02):
consciousness guide strategistand also a human consciousness
guide, and I have a backgroundin mental health,
trauma-informed, trained in NLP.
Just like you, I'm a podcasteras well and also do blog posts.
But, yes, all my focus is abouthelping people live a better
life.
What's got you stuck?
Why are you self-sabotagingyourself?
(01:24):
You know how?
How can I help you be the bestversion of you?
So that's really my whole focusfor the last 20 years plus.
So that's that's me, and what?
Speaker 1 (01:36):
what got you into this field in the first place?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
It's really interesting because, like most
people, I did what I was told.
You know, okay, if I want toput a roof over my head and
support myself, I need to get ajob.
And so I did a lot of stuffaround the area of HR and
management, sales and marketing,yada, yada.
(02:02):
But then I kind of got tired ofit and when 9-11 happened and
the economy tanked, I had tomake some hard, hard choices
because I couldn't find a joband I actually did a YouTube
video about why I became ahypnotherapist.
But I will tell you this thatthat was exactly what I was
(02:25):
meant to do and it is my calling, my purpose, and the job was
literally handed to me.
I mean, it was so incrediblyamazing and I'm just very
blessed about that.
So if anyone wants to learnmore about it, you can go to
YouTube Empowered Within, andthere's a thing in there about
(02:45):
you know all about me.
You can go to YouTube EmpoweredWithin and there's a thing in
there about you know all aboutme, you know break it down.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Awesome.
I feel the same way.
My job was literally handed tome during COVID.
I mean, during COVID, I had ajob.
I had a job in the workforce.
As you guys know, I have adisability, so when that job got
(03:14):
laid off, my other job wasreally handed to me.
I still had a job, unbeknownstto me, which is a full-time
content creator.
I just ramped it up even more.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, no, it's great when the universe presents
something totally different thatwasn't even on your radar and
it's like, oh, this is what I'msupposed to be doing.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Yep, Yep, Yep.
Exactly.
So who has been your favoritecase you have worked with?
Who has been the case you'rethinking, oh my God, why did I
get into this?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Why did I get into this?
I'd say my favorite case waswhen a Catholic nun came to me
with PTSD and I literally it wasinteresting because I had PTSD
at the time.
She had PTSD and I was ready toquit what I was doing because I
(04:30):
got taken to the cleaners andrun through the you know just
crazy making of dealing with umsomeone that was narcissistic
and just tried to ruineverything in my my life and I
was just like questioninghumanity I mean just seriously
deep questions.
And so universe brought me thisCatholic nun and we formed a
(04:51):
great um relationship and sheactually convinced me not to
quit what I was doing, which was, you know.
I'm very thankful for that andum, we became really good
friends and she even called meher spiritual advisor, which you
know if she said, if theCatholic Church knew I said that
they'd kick me out of themonastery, which is very
(05:15):
unfortunate, very, veryunfortunate.
The worst one I've had issomeone that's so stuck in
victimhood and they're soinvested in their story that, no
matter how much you, you try tocalm their anxiety and and help
(05:39):
them change, some people justaren't ready for it and it's
heartbreaking.
It really is heartbreaking.
And and that's the hard part isthat one person I had to set
boundaries with them and um, andI ended up having to just drop
them as a client, cause I'm like, look, you know I'm I'm really
(06:03):
trying to help you here, but youyelling at me and getting angry
at me is not making me want tosay, oh, let's keep you as a
client, you know, because we canrefuse service.
There's.
You know.
There's a reason whyrestaurants and companies have
those signs, you know if youcan't show common decency to one
(06:25):
another, then no, it doesn'twork.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
No, exactly, and personally you know who you are,
but it took a person in my lifeeight years to tell me about
Codependence Anonymous.
Oh yeah, codependents Anonymous.
Oh yeah, codependents Anonymoussaves my butt, because I used
(06:51):
to be a control freak and I satin the victimhood for such a
long time that it's like reallyReally, for such a long time
that it's like Really Really.
So the reason why I'm sayingthis Code Dependence Anonymous
thing Is, if you guys Feel stuckand if you guys Feel like you
(07:18):
need to get out Vixen, go tryCode Dependence Anonymous Before
you go see a nurse therapist,and also go try and see a
counselor before you go into therules, because humans can only
help other humans so much.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
That's true, but I do have some piece of advice in in
that area.
When because I actually, when Iwas in my 20s, I did go to one
of those group things and theyare great.
It was very helpful.
The only thing that I wouldstress to everyone is you want
(08:04):
to go on the minds, go into itwith the mindset.
I'm heal here to heal andunderstand the patterns within
myself and what caused me tobecome codependent.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, you really have to.
And why I say that is I'veexperienced child abuse before
and as an adult in my 20s, andit's sexual child abuse.
Just blurt that out.
And I was attending a groupthing you know to to heal,
(08:41):
thinking that, okay, maybe ifI'm in this group I can learn
different ways to heal, and allI heard was people complaining,
complaining and complaining andstaying stuck in their victim
and mentality.
And I had to.
I eventually stopped goingbecause I'm like no, I'm here to
find out how, how I can heal,how this.
(09:03):
And here's one thing that Ilearned that I thought was the
best advice possible.
So I was at a heart math seminarwith my mom and I was telling
the guy that I was strugglingwith trying to heal from the
childhood wounds of sexual abuse.
And he said well, I want you tosit down and write on a piece
(09:26):
of paper all the positive thingsthat having that experience has
made you.
Has it made you a better personor not?
Or where are you stuck?
Now?
You know like, are you stuck inthis?
This is that.
Write it down, the pros and thecons.
And at the end he looked at thelist with me and he said do you
realize you already healed,you've become such a better
(09:50):
person from that experience.
You don't have to wear thatlabel thinking that, oh, I'm
always going to be a sexualabuse survivor.
He said let that label go andlive.
And that's the thing that keptme stuck.
When is everyone else's beliefsor concepts or ideas about it?
(10:12):
And I was holding on to it,thinking that, well, maybe I'm
not healed yet, maybe I'm nothealed yet, but I was Isn't that
(10:35):
?
interesting that through yourown self-healing you turned out
to be healed.
Yes, well, I read a lot ofbooks like by John Bradshaw,
like Heal, the Shame that Bindsyou.
I was reading books aboutcodependency.
I was going to um, to therapy,and and, and really wanting to
understand.
You know, what are the patternsin me, what are the behaviors?
(10:57):
What created this or made mebecome like this and that's what
I've discovered in my practiceis I always want to dive into
the why.
Why are we acting this way?
Why are we saying these thingsor behaving this way?
(11:17):
And what is holding us back?
Because it's always somethinginternally or externally.
Because it's always somethinginternally or externally.
So the external would be likeyour family members, their
thoughts about you, your friends, your church, your religion,
your culture, your society,environment, how they molded you
, and are they limiting you fromthe full potential of who you
(11:43):
could be.
Or is it the thoughts we thinkabout ourselves?
Is it our negative critic?
Is it our our wounded ego?
Is it our our self-sabotagingthat we, you know, do our
procrastination Like?
What is it?
That's literally, you know theroadblock, that's that's holding
(12:03):
it back.
And to me, to me.
You always got to figure out.
What's the why?
What is it?
Yeah, through my journey withworking with people, and
especially trying to betterpeople's lives with disabilities
(12:30):
, I've had to really focus on mytraumas, to heal them, to get
on to my next chapter yeah, no,I, I, I fully agree, because our
(12:59):
when you know someone is stillwounded and has a trauma story
is when they immediately say ohyeah, let me tell you about what
so-and-so did to me.
Oh, let me tell you about whatso-and-so did to me, oh, let me
tell you what happened to me inthis?
you know, in 2012, september,they start going straight into
their story, and that is whatpeople should really stop and
(13:22):
look at.
It is how is that story holdingme back?
What is that story, you know,doing for me?
Is it keeping me stuck in blameand victimhood and addictive
behaviors?
Or is this story still got mestuck in regret or or self-doubt
(13:42):
, or shame?
You know what?
What is it?
I always say it's a lower stateof consciousness, but what is
it?
Because a lot of people wedon't share our happy stories.
A lot of times we share ourpain stories.
I mean, do you notice that whenyou work with people?
Yeah, yeah.
Always.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
I notice that and I had a person ask me and luckily
I handed it over.
She goes I wasn't notified ofthis.
I said, yeah, you were.
It was in newsletter.
You just had to sign up for thenewsletter, you would have
(14:27):
gotten the information.
Why not through the newsletter?
You would have gotten theinformation.
And so I'm trying to make thatclear to people, because one of
the projects I am working on,they've got to find out the
information themselves to helpme.
Right, and we can't.
(14:47):
What I'm saying is we can'tjust feed people information and
not have them do somethingabout it to better their own
lives.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
That's the key thing, and I'm so glad when you
brought that up, because whatyou're really saying is actions
speak louder than words, yep.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Actions speak louder than the words in my book.
It's always been my philosophythat actions speak louder than
the words in my book, and humanscan't feed other humans the
information.
We've got to start taking careof ourselves.
We've got to start helpingbeing kind to other humans.
(15:37):
We've got to start helpingother humans the best way we can
100%.
Thank you for saying thatYou're welcome for saying that,
and let's talk a little bitabout your podcast.
Now, is it something you cameup with on your own, or how did
(16:02):
you get into podcasting?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Well, the first.
It's real interesting becauseand I just came out this year
sharing this, so you don't knowthis about me when but I am the
author of the book theundetected narcissist Angela
Meyer, that's my pen name, and Iwas inspired by a lot of people
(16:27):
to start the podcast theUndetected Narcissist, because
too many people, and even myself, when I was trying to
understand narcissism, Icouldn't find people that came
from, let's say, my kind ofperspective, because I learned
that we humans create thesepeople and if you don't like
(16:50):
them, we got to learn how tostop creating them.
And my premise is I come fromcompassion, wisdom, forgiveness
and understanding, not hate,anger and fear.
And that's what I kept runninginto when I was trying to heal
was too many people were likehate, anger, fear, hate, anger,
(17:11):
fear.
And what inspired me was no,you need to come from a softer
approach, because you can't healcoming from hate, anger and
fear.
It creates more walls.
You need to dismantle the walls, understand why you brought
this person into your life, whatlessons you needed to learn
(17:33):
from that experience so youdon't repeat it.
Yeah, rooms, which is abouthuman consciousness.
What is 3D, 4d, 5d?
To really help people evolve ashuman beings, you know, really
(17:57):
get out of the black and whitethinking, the, the power, hungry
, the.
You know the greed, the lust,you know everything, all that
craziness.
And to be better humans, whereyou are kind, you're
compassionate, there's equality,there's cooperation, there's
forgiveness, there's acceptance,and that all of that is not
(18:20):
just you give to others but youhave to give it to yourself.
And that's the hard truth is, alot of people have a hard time
accepting themselves completely.
You know they they hate theirbodies, they hate the way they
look, they, they hate this andthat about themselves.
And no, we have to seriouslygive ourselves more grace and
(18:46):
more kindness, because I say, ifyou want this world to be a
better place, it starts with youfirst.
You have to.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yeah, you have to embody it, you have to become it
because you're, you know youreally do.
It's that same saying when weget on an airplane, put on your
oxygen mask first before you putit on your kids.
Yeah, there's a reason why.
And so working on yourself issuch a crucial thing, because
(19:20):
then you're the living exampleof, like you said, when I'm no
longer in the victim mindset,I'm a better person because I
gave myself that gift.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
And that inspires people.
It inspires people to want toachieve what you have achieved.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I am so into and people are learning this about
me.
I had surgery back in February.
I had surgery back in April too.
Was I a victim about my surgeryback in April?
(20:02):
No, was I a victim about havingthe doctors breaking my femur
and my nuts to me?
No, I've learned how to dealwith a broken femur and people
are amazed how independent I am,even with the challenges I have
(20:25):
.
I'm like what am I going to do?
Sit here and be a victim aboutit?
Sit here and war with me aboutit?
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
And that's a beautiful quality and a
beautiful trait and I would wishwith all my heart and soul that
more people could make thatshift as you did as you did.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Well, I finally learned after my abuse what
cerebral palsy was and whatcerebral palsy is and how it
impacts me personally.
And then I accepted it, and Iaccepted the broken bones and
the broken spirit and moved onand got my knee repaired and
then I'm slowly but surelyhealing.
(21:14):
So it's taking a little bitlonger, guys, than I thought,
but it's okay, that's becausethey broke my femur, but I don't
sit here and be a victim aboutit and war with me.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
No, and that's a beautiful trait.
So thank you, and I really hopethat you know you do inspire
other people to realize that weall have a choice.
We have a choice to stay in bedand feel sorry for ourselves,
or we have a choice to pickourselves up and make the most
(21:54):
of what we can with what we gotto get to know you and get to
understand your work.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
where could they find you?
And where could they find youand where could they find your
work?
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Well, you can go to mastertheeperroomscom.
There's a bunch of free stuffon there.
If you just click on free stuff, there's free images, free
eBooks, three MP3 downloads.
I even do a free 15 minuteconsultation.
If you just want to know, likehey, could you know, could she
(22:45):
help me with something or couldshe not?
People can find me there.
I'm on YouTube, which is Masterthe Upper Rooms.
There's a bunch of interviewsand things that I do, and then
there's the podcast, master theUpper Rooms, and there's even
the Undetected Narcissist.
If you're dealing with anybodynarcissistic, you can go to that
(23:05):
one.
And actually I am starting theundetected narcissist season
four again in June next um, nextweek actually and I was
inspired by too many peoplesaying, oh, you know, you still
got to do this.
This stuff has helped.
So I'm going to be talkingabout codependency, I'm talking
(23:26):
about how to forgive theunforgivable.
I've got like a list of 25topics that I'm going to share
on.
I think it is the second orthird of June to say this is
what I'm going to do, and thenit will include a lot of healing
tools, um like journaling ideas, free meditations, um metaphor
(23:47):
stories to help people reallyget it.
Or you just Google my name KeriK-E-R-I-E.
Last name Logan.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
That's a good way too .
I you would be really proud ofme.
I actually, well, I will neverforget this, will never forget
(24:18):
this.
I actually forgave part of myteam who abused me and I hope
she took it to heart.
But I'm ready to forgive myabuser when she's ready to come
out of the woodwork and speak tome again.
But I forgave her sister, whoalso added fuel to the fire
(24:45):
because of my abuse, and itwasn't a raid, by any means.
It was two family members thatabused me, both my mom's sisters
that abused me.
So far, I have forgiven the oneand I'm ready to forgive the
(25:06):
other one, the main abuser, whenshe's ready to be forgiven,
Because I am a better humanbecause of my abuse.
Believe it or not, I haveeducated myself on my own
disability.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yes, and that's a gift.
Yeah, it is a gift, just likehow I said before, from all the
abuse that I've experienced,yeah, it made me a better person
.
It taught me more of how weshould treat human beings.
You know, violence is not theanswer.
We should be kind andcompassionate.
(25:47):
And two our words matter,because our words can be more
damaging than physical abuse,because your arm could heal, but
if someone said something thatcut you like a knife, that could
still be stuck in your sideeven when that person dies.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah, I mean, we've got to be very careful what we
say to humans and we've got tobe very careful how we present
it.
You know and this is public,it's a public forum that I did
(26:28):
for the Episcopal Church I spokeon mental health issues and how
clergy could help theirparishioners with mental health
issues, because people won'tcome out of the woodwork to say,
(26:48):
frankly, I have mental healthissues, and one of the things I
said was you might just have tobe the silent witness until
they're ready to talk about it.
Correct, you might just have to.
You can't pull mental healthissues out of anyone and
(27:17):
everyone.
You just may have to be thesilent witness until they're
ready to talk about it.
But mental health issues havemade me a stronger person, along
with my abuse of me, and it'sall about the lives we lead, and
(27:38):
so I hope that you guys enjoyedthis episode and I hope that
you will support Carrie and herwork on the podcast.
I will certainly be listeningin and binging and, carrie, do
you have any questions for mebefore we end this interview?
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Yes, I had some fun ones actually.
Okay, so the first one is ifyou could be an animal for a day
, which animal would you pickand why?
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Oh geez, if I can be an animal for a day, which
animal would I pick?
Well, this would surprisepeople, and people that know me
know I'm little and know thatI'm little but mighty.
(28:36):
And if I could pick an animalfor a day, I would say a bird,
because they make beautifulnoises.
Except when they're mad, theymake beautiful noises, and I
would love to make beautifulnoises.
(28:58):
It would either be a bird or agiraffe.
Ironically, because giraffesare tall and they stand up tall,
and I wish I had the power ofstanding up tall, but I don't,
and so it would either makebeautiful noises or stand up
(29:20):
tall.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Okay, now this next question is kind of interesting.
Have you ever had a dream whereyou're flying?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Have I ever had a dream where you're flying?
Have I ever had a dream?
Yes, I actually have had adream where I was flying.
It was a long time ago.
It was actually two weeks aftermy mom died, and I lost her in
2010, august 2010.
(29:50):
So I actually had a dream whereI was flying two weeks after
she died.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
That's pretty cool.
No, that's pretty cool becauseit kind of lined up with the
bird thing.
Okay, next question.
The third question is if youhad to pick between one or one
of these, I'm going to give youtwo options.
So let's say we lived in amagical world and you could swim
(30:21):
in the ocean and talk to allthe fish and create your own
paradise under the ocean.
Would you pick that one?
Or would you want to live onland where you're friends with
all the animals on land and youcould even fly, if you wanted,
with the birds?
Which one would you want theocean or the land?
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I would pick the ocean.
Just because I'm a beach baby,I'm a Cancer.
Okay, so Cancer's myastrological sign.
Yes, it's my birthday nextmonth.
I said I'm people tell me I actmore like a Gemini than I'm
Cancer, but I feel like I actmore like a Cancer and, for
(31:04):
those of you that don't know,cancers are water babies to
begin with and we get very, veryemotional and we are strong and
stubborn.
So ocean would be my first pick.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Okay, now the last question and I don't even think
you know about this.
I didn't know about this untiljust recently, so you know who
Jeff Bezos is, right?
Yes, okay.
Well, he is creating a.
He wants to create a spacestation up in um, up in there,
(31:47):
up in our space station, and heis creating it where it's a
world where people can liveliterally up in space.
They're going to have land,water, all of that.
Would you ever go up there andlive, or would you want to stay
down here on Earth?
Speaker 1 (32:08):
and try to change, I'll stay down here on Earth.
Thank you very much.
Okay, I am not.
I am a believer in those coolthings, but I am not paying my
second with all the thousanddollars for a up in this space.
(32:30):
No way.
Thank you very much, no way.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
What I look at it is we should be solving the
problems down here and fix thatbefore you try to build
something up there in space.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
I definitely agree.
I definitely agree.
I definitely agree.
We should be fixing and youguys know this, we should be
fixing all the rights for thedisabled before we takeged,
slash the disabled.
And I say this loud and clearbecause what I've come across in
(33:13):
my own life is shocking andit's like really fix the humans
on planet Earth before youdecide to spend over a million
dollars to take a ride up tospace.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Correct.
No, I fully agree.
It's like you know you're goingto destroy the planet down here
and then build something upthere where it's like oh, it's
not my responsibility anymore.
And it's like yeah, to me it'syeah.
Okay, wyn, I have enjoyed youso much today.
(33:52):
I've truly enjoyed you.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Well, I have too, and I hope you guys enjoyed another
fabulous episode.
And go support Carrie in herwork and go figure out how to be
a kind human being and gofigure out the path you lead and
(34:17):
go support KIN, go support thepodcast, and I will see you guys
soon with another fabulousepisode.
Thank you guys.
Bye you guys, with anotherfabulous episode.
Thank you guys.
Bye you guys.
Thank you, bye.
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