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May 29, 2025 41 mins

In this episode of AgenticFirst World, Ash Ahmed, founder of Axal, discusses the concept of verifiable agents and their application in the world of blockchain and AI.

Ash explains how Axal is leveraging these agents to automate yield farming and provide users with guarantees on their financial transactions.

The conversation delves into the evolution of agentic systems, the challenges of building verifiable agents, and the future of AI in automating tasks.

Ash emphasizes the importance of governance and user control in agentic systems, while also addressing the potential impact of these technologies on markets and institutions.

The episode concludes with a rapid-fire round of questions, highlighting Ash's insights on the current state and future of AI agents.


Key takeaways

  • Verifiable agents provide guarantees in financial transactions.
  • Automation in agentic AI is still in its early stages.
  • Yield farming is a primary use case for verifiable agents.
  • Governance of agents should be defined by users.
  • The future of AI agents lies in their ability to reason and make decisions.
  • Building verifiable agents involves significant technical challenges.
  • The crypto space offers unique opportunities for innovation.
  • User control is essential in managing agentic systems.
  • The combination of blockchain and AI is a powerful innovation.
  • The landscape of agentic systems is rapidly evolving.


00:00 Introduction to Agentic Systems and AI Agents

02:24 Understanding Verifiable Agents and Their Applications

07:22 Distinguishing Agentic Systems from Traditional Automation

13:08 The Future of AI Agents and Reasoning

18:33 Building Robust AI Agents and Design Challenges

20:26 Autonomy vs Control in AI Agents

22:40 Building Verifiable Tools in Crypto

25:44 Governance and User Control of Agents

28:13 Navigating Legalities in Crypto

31:01 The Future of AI Agents

33:53 Impact of Verifiable Agents on Work Markets

37:10 Rapid Fire Insights on AI Agents


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