Hypnosis Reveals Hidden Lifetimes: The Truth Behind Past Life Regression w/ Jonathan Robinson

Join me for a fascinating conversation with Jonathan Robinson, a professional hypnotist who has guided hundreds of people through past life regression sessions. Jonathan shares how past life regression works as a universal experience that can be accessed regardless of belief systems - "like gravity, it still works even if you don't believe in it."

We explore the surprising connections between birthmarks and past life traumas, how unresolved emotions from previous incarnations affect our current relationships, and the powerful healing that occurs when accessing these hidden memories. Jonathan reveals incredible client experiences, from Atlantis journeys to discovering sacred artifacts, while explaining why this practice is similar to plant medicine in its transformative potential.

Whether you're curious about your own past lives, dealing with unexplained fears, or seeking deeper spiritual understanding, this episode offers valuable insights into how hypnotic regression can illuminate the soul's journey across multiple lifetimes.

About our Guest:
Jonathan Robinson is a certified hypnotherapist specializing in past life regression who discovered this path while seeking answers about life after death and human purpose. After studying the works of Michael Newton and Dolores Cannon, he became certified in hypnotherapy and has since facilitated hundreds of past life regression sessions.

Jonathan combines hypnosis with energy healing techniques like Reiki to help clients access their past life memories and release associated traumas. His structured yet flexible approach demonstrates how past lives can explain unexplained fears, birthmarks, and relationship patterns, offering clients profound spiritual insights and emotional healing.

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Hey, I’m Ian Vogel—host of Alternate Timelines. My journey started on a small farm in the midwest, where I always felt a little out of place. After years of skepticism and even a stint as an atheist, a near-death experience changed my perspective on everything. Since then, I’ve explored plant medicine, past life memories, and the mysteries of consciousness. Now, I’m sharing those experiences to help others navigate their own awakening. Through real stories, deep conversations, and wild explorations of the unknown, we’re building a community where it’s okay to question reality. You’re not alone in the unknown. 👽✨

Episode Transcript

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114 (00:00):
I still remember some of my first

(00:01):
sessions that went back toAtlantis or there were dragon
Shapeshifters or they were inLemuria or just wild places.
And I'm like, whoa, this isopening up my mind more than I
can handle right now.
what I've found is birthmarks asfar as some people goes, it's
past life trauma wound inflicteddeath scenes that get carried

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over into this life.
an experiment is something youcan do over and over and over
and get similar results.
And so that's what makes pastlife regression so credible is
because it can be done with, andit has been done with thousands,
if not millions of people atthis point from all different
cultures, walks of life.
You don't have to even believein it for it to work.
It's like gravity.
If you don't believe in gravity,it still works.

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It's a universal law

HypeMiC & FaceTime HD Came (00:50):
What is up, and welcome to another
episode of Alternate Timelines.
Today's episode was really fun.
I got to speak with JonathanRobinson, who is a professional
hypnotist, and, at this point inhis career, he's worked with
hundreds of people doing pastlife regression sessions.
Now, if you know me, you knowthat past life regression is
something that's near and dearto my heart.

(01:11):
And, all the exploration thatI've done in space has mostly
been on my own.
So it was a real treat and areal pleasure to speak with
somebody who facilitates theseconversations and these sorts of
transformative experiences forpeople on the regular, as his
profession.
Jonathan has a wealth ofknowledge, experience, and I can
tell through this conversationthat he comes to this work from

(01:33):
a place of service and genuinecuriosity and a desire to help
the people that he's workingwith.
And in this episode, we touch onall sorts of topics, like what
happens when the spirit leavesthe body, what kind of people
come to Jonathan for help, andthe different questions that
people have.
Uh, When is it appropriate to doa past life regression
meditation, and when it Perhaps,is it not appropriate?

(01:54):
We talk about the similaritiesbetween doing past life
regression sessions and plantmedicine.
We really dive deep in thisconversation and I know you are
going to love it.
We touch on all kinds of topics,so let's just get into it.

ian_1_03-04-2025_1721 (02:09):
Jonathan, I've been super excited to have
this conversation with you.
I first found you on Instagramand the stuff you were sharing
on your page really resonatedwith me.
It's right up my alley and I'vehad quite a bit of experience
with.
Past life regression and havingthe opportunity to meet somebody
who shares that passion, but inthe way that they're, you know,

(02:32):
you're facilitating and, anddoing these past life regression
meditations with people andhelping people have these sorts
of experiences.
So, man, I've, I've really beenlooking forward to this.
So when it comes to, what youdo, the hypnotherapy and
hypnosis and facilitating pastlife regressions with people,

(02:54):
how, how does somebody even getinto that?
It's, it's, that's an enigma forme and something I am, I'm
always fascinated by what, whenI meet people who are doing what
you do.
The, because it's not a verycommon profession.
So I, I, I'd love to learn moreabout how you got to where you
are today.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182 (03:10):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And so at some point I wasasking myself deep questions in
life.
What happens after we die?
What's our purpose?
Why are we here?
And is this place real?
Are like, are we in a simulationwho runs the world?
Just, you know, normalquestions.
And so one day at the healthfood store, I overheard someone

(03:31):
talking about Michael Newton atthe cash register and my whole
body started to vibrate.
Because I was asking this for awhile and I was very
intentional, and I feel like theuniverse brings you the answers
at the right time.
And I was so excited'cause I gothome and I, I looked it up and I
couldn't even sleep that nightbecause it, I felt like I found
some of the answers I wassearching for.

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So I proceeded to read MichaelNewton's books.
Journey of Souls.
Destiny of Souls life in Betweenlives.
Doris Cannon's, another like OGof Past Life Regression,
consumed a lot of her books.
And since I'm a skeptic, Ineeded to know if this is real.
So I got certified as ahypnotherapist and every one of

(04:14):
my clients, I was a natural atit.
And I, I love what I do.
I'm passionate about it.
And my clients are able to gointo their past lives one after
another.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112 (04:24):
Now before you had this inclination
and heard about you know what,what's the gentleman's name?
Michael.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_1 (04:31):
Newton.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112 (04:32):
Michael Newton.
And I've, I've actually readJourney of Souls.
I should, I should rememberthat.
Before you heard about MichaelNewton, had you had any sort of
personal experience or was thereany sort of catalyzing
experience other than just thesedeep questions?
Was there any tangible thingthat happened to you, or is it
just this search for knowledgeand wanting to learn more and,
wanting to explore, these lesserknown topics?

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182 (04:55):
Well, I, I did, so after I read some
of the books, I did get my ownpast life or PLR session on
myself.
And I actually thought I wasmaking it up.
I didn't know if it was real ornot.
And, come to find out, I did asession a while later and I saw
the same images and same thingsthat were happening.

(05:17):
So it made, it made it all madesense afterward.
And that's actually now that Ido this with hundreds of people,
that's pretty common where wethink we're making it up our
imagination at first.
But then throughout the session,it'll all start to make sense as
we continue and go on as thesedeep, vivid dreams or, or
memories or, or images come tous.

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And for everyone it's a littlebit different.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112 (05:42):
So you said at this point you've worked
with hundreds of people and I,I'm curious, do people tend to
have a similar sort ofexperience I presume you're
taking people on sort of asimilar style of journey?
There's a, a beginning, a middleand an end, and a, procedure.
That's, that's fairly uniform.
I, I would assume So.

(06:03):
Are, are people's experienceswithin that framework, and, and
correct me if I'm wrong, but arepeople's experiences within that
framework somewhat similar, orare you finding that people are
having vastly differentexperiences within that kind of
somewhat set framework?

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182 (06:22):
Yeah, so it, you're right, it's like a
framework or structure and.
Like an experiment is somethingyou can do over and over and
over and get similar results.
And so that's what makes pastlife regression so credible is
because it can be done with, andit has been done with thousands,
if not millions of people atthis point from all different
cultures, walks of life.

(06:43):
You don't have to even believein it for it to work.
It's like gravity.
If you don't believe in gravity,it still works.
It's, you know, it's a universallaw so it can be done.
And all it is is a guidedmeditation basically.
So we guide you into a deeperstate of relaxation by guiding
the breath, the body, and themind into a very deep
relaxation.

(07:04):
And by asking the rightquestions, we can access the
past life memories.
So for each individual, yourpast lives will be different
than Susie's and Thomas's andwhoever else's.
So your experience will bedifferent, and that's why I love
it because.
I never know what, what's gonnahappen.
It's so different.
It's like improv every time.

(07:24):
And or I hold space and, and I'mthere.
But the, it's like an experiment'cause it can be done over and
over and over and people can,can get the results that they
want, that they're looking forand are expected.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112 (07:39):
And, and when it comes to different
results that people are lookingfor.
What would you say are some ofthe most common reasons somebody
will come to you to do a pastlife regression session?

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114 (07:51):
So a lot of times it's for
spiritual growth, curiositykarmic relationships, souls
contracts, soulmates.
A lot of fears and phobias comefrom past life.
Trauma birthmarks I found arefrom past lives, believe it or
not, and I.

(08:12):
Relieving trauma.
So just like trauma can becarried from childhood to
adulthood sometimes trauma canbe left in a past life.
And it affects us currently.
So our, our subconscious holdsonto that'cause it's trying to
protect us from getting hurtagain.
And until we find out the lessonrelease that it could be
affecting someone currently.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112 (08:32):
I, I can attest to that directly
myself since the time I waslittle, I was knowing things
that I shouldn't have known andhaving experiences that I had no
context to.
It was happening my whole life,and I, I didn't understand what
was happening, why.
I always felt different andlike, like there was something

(08:53):
wrong with me, quite frankly.
I was getting emotionallytriggered at situations that
from the outside would not.
Would not there, there should beno, no reason for me to start to
feel scared going into a, abuilding that I've never been in
before.
That's is just a regularbuilding where I go in and I,
and I feel scared or I meetsomebody from my family for the

(09:15):
first time, like a long lostrelative and I just like them a
lot and, and I wanna be, I wannabe close to them and I wanna
like, hug them and, beaffectionate with them in a way
where it's like, it, it didn'treally make sense.
And so I think, man, I, Ibelieve that most people are
carrying around unresolvedemotional traumas and, and

(09:39):
baggage from past lifeexperiences that they're simply
unaware of, that are affectingtheir, their everyday life.
And they, it's just so, sonormal for them that there's no
way to recognize that, that the,those emotional triggers or
those emotional charges indifferent situations that

(09:59):
there's something that you'rehanging onto from a past life.
Because for most people, thosememories have been, or like on
the other side of the veil,they've been forgotten.
there's so many differentavenues, but like going to the
birthmark thing, can you, canyou expound on that a little bit
more or give some, some examplesof, of, how that's shown up in

(10:20):
your practice with your clients?

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182 (10:22):
Sure.
And, and thank you for sharingyour, story.
And if more people would sharethat, you know, maybe we would
help people not feel so alone.
Because you aren't alone.
There's a lot of children thatexperience their past lives
because children operate in thetheta frequency, the frequency
of hypnosis all the time.
So from zero to eight, they'realways in theta.

(10:44):
That's why children can rememberpast lives.
They can learn differentlanguages very quickly.
They're basically beingprogrammed for adolescents than
adulthood.
The brain develop, it takesabout 25 years for our brain to
fully develop.
So in those early years, it'sreally important to be kind to
children, to be uplifting,joyful you know, positive
instead of negative, becausethey don't have a shield up to

(11:05):
protect themselves.
Jim Tucker outta the Universityof Virginia has two books and he
is interviewed thousands ofparents and children on past,
live on children's past lives.
They're really credible storiesand incredible stories.
So, yeah, you're not alone.
As far as birthmarks, I've hadseveral birth people come to me
with birthmarks, and if you havea birthmark let me know and

(11:28):
we'll investigate it.
But yeah, birthmarks are, youknow, science has no real answer
for why people have thesebirthmarks there.
You know, there's epigenetics,which, you know, ancestral
trauma can be passed, you know,to one another, but there really
is no good answer.
But what I've found isbirthmarks are for as far as

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some people goes, it's past lifetrauma wound inflicted death
scenes that get carried overinto this life.
So I had someone with abirthmark.
On their leg.
They were stabbed.
They were impaled when they felldown a mountain and they died
from the, IM Impale.
After they pulled the stick out,no one was around to save'em.

(12:09):
They died.
I had someone who had abirthmark on their shoulder.
They were jumping across theriver and trying to impress a
girl.
Native Indian fell in the riverand went over a waterfall, and
their shoulder got broken.
They weren't able to draw a bow.
They weren't able to, you know,there were one with their body.
They weren't able to like huntanymore, and that really took a

(12:30):
toll on them.
And so that birthmark carriedover as well as a lot of aches
and pains.
And after the session though, hesaid the aches and pains went
away.
The birthmark was still there,but that's what, and so
everyone, a lot of people Ilike, it's almost like I'm a
investigator, like a timetraveling investigator.

(12:51):
Like, what, what happened?
But it's, it's really fun andit's, it's very healing and
beneficial for the client.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112 (12:59):
So you're saying that the
individual who had the, thebirth mark on their shoulder
from that injury, being able togo back and re-access it and
witness the, the actual eventthat happened that was able to
alleviate some of the, you know,some discomfort that they might
have in their, current lifeexperience today.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182 (13:17):
Yeah.
Yeah, it is.
And you know, it's, it's tied toan emotional thing as well
because it wasn't just like theinjury, it was the fact that he
wasn't able to use his bodyanymore.
He lost the girl that he was, heliked, there was a lot of like
emotions there and really, hedidn't hurt his shoulder in this
life, so he had no reason for itto be not functioning properly.

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So, after we found that out, Ialso do reiki and I know several
techniques to alleviate the.
Trauma and things like that.
So during the session, that'spart of it is, or leaving using
energy work to alleviate thatemotion.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112 (13:55):
I can see how that might be a potent
combination using energy work inconcert with you, dealing with
whatever trauma comes up for theperson and, having tools.
I think it would be reallyimportant to have modalities and
tools kind of in your tool belt,so to speak, that you can lean
on in addition to the.
Past life regression part.

(14:16):
If something comes up, you kindahave to have some way to, to
manage it.
Or at least help that personprogress through whatever's come
up.
So like, in addition to the, thebirthmarks, and oddly, oddly
enough, I have a birthmarkthat's about an inch and a half
long by about a quarter of aninch wide, right behind on, on

(14:40):
the left side of my body, themiddle of my, the upper left
side of my body, right behind myheart.
And it, it was a stab wound.
It

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_18211 (14:52):
Be, yeah.
Be you meant be be, because whenwe first spoke, you mentioned
you, you have a lot ofexperience with your past lives,
huh?
Okay.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112 (15:01):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I, I've done a lot ofexploration, I've got a couple
of birthmarks, one of'em, Idon't know, I haven't really
explored that, but the one, theone that's right behind my heart
on my back, I did explore thatone because it was, it seemed
like there might be somethingthere and, and it was, yeah, it
wasn't a pretty scene.

(15:21):
And, and I'm glad I had theopportunity to go back there
and, see it for what it wasbecause there was some
unresolved emotion with thatand, and being able to look at
it.
And when you're doing a pastlife regression, you're almost
looking at it from the thirdperson.
You, you're

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_1821 (15:37):
Yes.
You're an

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112 (15:38):
often, there's a, a, state of
dissociation to, to a certaindegree.
So you're not like, you are notfeeling what is exactly
happening.
you're observing yourself, asyou said, in more of a third
person point of view.
So you can still gather theinformation without having to
experience the pain or thetrauma and.

(15:58):
and.
when it comes to, to pain andtrauma, I'm sure you know, doing
what you do, you, you've seenmany people who, have had some
gnarly stuff come up.
In regards to those additionaltools that are in your tool belt
what else do you do to helppeople progress through and come
to terms with some of the thingsthat they learned in their past
life?
Regression meditations.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_1821 (16:20):
Yes.
So, you know, that's a reallygood point.
I was just thinking about thistoo.
I mean, I, I really think thatanyone can do this.
It's not, you don't have to be aspecial type of person.
I think anyone can access yourown pasts.
In fact, I sometimes you, youdon't, people don't even need a
guide, but just like having aguide walking you up a mountain

(16:42):
for the first time, it's safer.
They know the rate, the way togo.
They know the, the territory,right?
Sometimes it's better to have aguide because they can guide you
in case something unexpectedhappens.
And they can also help youalleviate those traumas, those
energies, those karmic, youknow, things that could be
scary.

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It's, and I always tell peoplethis, and some people are afraid
because I.
Human nature, we fear theunknown.
It's just human nature.
'cause that's just what we do.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112 (17:14):
I can attest to the helpfulness of
having a guide, I.
When I first started exploringmy past lives, I was doing it on
my own and I just, for whateverreason, I just have a natural
proclivity and ability to, toaccess that space with a little
bit more ease.
But that doesn't, that didn'tnecessarily produce positive

(17:34):
results from me.
I was doing it way too often.
I was having these emotionalthings come up that I didn't
have any context to, and I, Ididn't have any support in
helping to alleviate that.
And, and ultimately I got to apoint of emotional instability
because, for example, really,the last time I did a, a past

(17:57):
life regression meditation on myown was in my car, on my lunch
break at work.
And, the past life that came upin that experience was traumatic
and there was a, a heavyemotional charge to it.
And I'm sitting in my car and Ihave to go back to work after an
hour, and I'm like, what am Ieven doing?
I don't want to go to work.
I just had this heavy experienceand at that moment I was like,

(18:20):
I, I'm done with this.
And for a long time I nevertouched it again because I, I
didn't know how to manage itmyself and I didn't know how to,
to deal with some of thatemotionally heavy stuff that can
come up.
So, to your point, I 100% agreethat having somebody there who's
got experience, who can lead youthrough not only the process,

(18:43):
but whatever comes up and cangive you pointers and, and be
there to support you afterwardsbecause in my experience.
There are very few times wherenothing comes up that has an
emotional charge.
There's almost always a, a needfor some sort of integration
afterwards and, context and, andfiguring out how do I make sense

(19:03):
of what just happened andutilize that in my life.
I know integration is somethingthat you are, you're big on and
is a big part of your workingwith people.
And, I'd, I'd just like you tospeak a little bit on, on
integration and, and what theprocess after the process looks
like for people quite often.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182 (19:19):
Yeah.
And I believe that happened'cause you've, been exploring
your past lives for many, manytimes.
I think you mentioned.
And so what happens is yoursubconscious is guiding us.
The higher self and subconsciousare much more brilliant than us.
And it knows what to show youand what not to show you.
It knows what is gonna be mostbeneficial for you.

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So if it's something that'schallenging it'll make sure to.
It'll make sure to do it in away that it won't leave you, you
know, feeling scared orsomething like that.
And that gives people a lot ofrelief, but it will bring up
things that you need to addressto benefit you most.
So if you do this several times,it might bring up a, a scene

(20:00):
that's a little bit morechallenging than maybe the first
session.
And usually I ask questions thathelp it go to scenes that will
benefit you the most, mostrelevant most exciting,
inspirational, whatever it maybe.
If someone has a challengingscene come up, we do some
releasing that I've been doingfor many, many times a long time

(20:23):
now.
So, inner child work, whether itbe energy releasing the book.
What's that book that allpsychologists have to read?
This book, it's called Emo thebody keeps score and so emotion
gets trapped in the body untilit gets released, and that's
what we do.
We help it get released so youcan start fresh and it doesn't
hold you back anymore.

(20:43):
So to integrate it afterward,it's much like the plant
medicine that you have a lot ofexperience with, I believe some
psychedelic medicine.
So you integrate it, it changesthe neuro pathways in your
brain, so you operatedifferently, hopefully, and
almost always more.
Happily joyfully.
You focus on what you loveinstead of what you dwelling on,
what you don't like, and youlead a life of more clarity as

(21:07):
far as like your purpose.
So usually it's, it's, theintegration is very subtle but
it, it takes place.
You just gravitate like a magnettoward things that you wanna do
more.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112 (21:19):
Nice.
And you, you mentioned one ofthe reasons that people come to
you often is in regards toquestions around relationship
and different relationships intheir life.
I'd like to learn more aboutthat and, you know, can you
share some experiences thatyou've had with your clients
around realizations they mayhave had or about people in

(21:40):
their life, or, maybe they hada, you know, an intuition about
somebody or what have you seenwhere people have gotten clarity
from doing past liferegressions, specifically around
relationships.
I.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182 (21:51):
Well, yeah.
Relationships are a huge part ofour life, especially like our
soulmate and, intimaterelationships as well as mother
and father daughters and sonsand even pets can have souls
that transfer rubber.
I, I figured out.
So the.
A lot of times what what happensis we have our essence of who we

(22:13):
are transfers over from body tobody.
So if you're funny, your, yourcharacter, the person that your,
your personality will transferfrom body to body.
And you mentioned earlier like,oh, I just met this person, but
they feel like I feel socomfortable around them and I
just feel like I know them and Ican trust them right away.
That might be someone that's inyour spirit group and our spirit

(22:36):
group beyond the veil is a groupof 10 to 20 like vibrating souls
that vibrate a similar frequencythat choose to incarnate with
each other on these differentlife journeys and adventures to
teach each other lessons.
And sometimes we.
Incarnate and we're soulmatesand you know, we love each other

(22:58):
and we're the best.
And maybe the next life we'llswitch places.
So they'll be the female andthey'll be the male or vice
versa to learn differentlessons.
I had this one person, he keptincarnating with his friend that
kept killing him in battle.
They would just keep killingeach other in battle, different
battles and like getting back ateach other.
And now in this life, the otherguy was the boss and he was like

(23:23):
the, the other, he was the bossand they kept getting in
arguments until they re resolvedit.
And, you know, kind of clearedthat.
You know, balance thatnegativity out, I guess you'd
say.
So we can, often times I askthem, you know, does this person
resemble look around you?
Is there anyone that on thedinner table or is anyone at

(23:44):
this celebration that you reallyconnect with?
And they'll find someone, andI'll ask'em, well, who, who in
your current life do theyrepresent?
Who do they seem like to you?
And oftentimes they'll say, oh,this is my friend Cherise, or
this is my friend, this is myhusband, you know, whatever it
may be.
So energy, you know, when we dothese scenes, it's like, it's,

(24:07):
it's not exactly like IMAXmovie, but it's, like we're
getting the scenes like a dreamor a daydream, or a feeling or a
knowing.
So we just know that this is theperson.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112 (24:19):
When people are able to go back and
see, you know, their, theircurrent relationships in a
different context.
Like, how does that affect theircurrent relationship?
Like is is being able to seedifferent scenarios where you've
interacted with an individual indifferent ways, does that give
somebody more compassion or doesit allow them to look at the,

(24:41):
the person that's in questiondifferently?

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182 (24:45):
Yeah.
Yeah, it does.
For example, I had just had a, arecent session and someone was
in a, a kind of a abusiverelationship in their past life,
and they weren't able to speaktheir truth or they would never
stand up for themselves.
And they realized that in thislife, they kept on picking.
They were a female in this lifeand they kept on picking male

(25:06):
that would oppress them and dothe same thing, and it was like
a pattern of theirs.
And they realized that finallythey found someone that was
really nice to them andcompatible and wasn't like that.
And, but she didn't know why shekept pushing him away, but she
realized that she wasn'tspeaking her truth.
She wasn't standing up forherself.

(25:27):
And the universe will continueto test you until you pass the
test.
And so finally she realized itpass the test and she's happy
with this new person that she'swith.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112 (25:38):
Cool.
I, I love that.
And, in thinking about that, ourlives are very complex and
there's a lot going on.
We have a lot of, you know, manyrelationships, a lot of
different things going on as faras career and, and this and
that.
Like realistically andreasonably, how much can
somebody expect to get from asingle session?

(26:01):
And do you recommend doingmultiple sessions?
I, I'm thinking of this in the,like, in a similar context as to
like plant medicine because, onejourney is great, you can get a
lot out of one journey.
But if you do cons threeconsecutive nights in a row or
you know, multiple sessions in agiven period of time, quite

(26:23):
often what you're able to getfrom doing multiple sessions is
going to be much more.
And you're able to ingest orreceive that energy or the, the
information at a, a little bitslower pace.
So it's a little bit easier tointegrate'cause you're getting,
somewhat smaller bite-sizedchunks.

(26:44):
But all in all, when the wholething is done, you've gotten a
significant amount of reallymeaningful in information.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182 (26:50):
Yeah.
Yeah, that's a good way to putit.
I oftentimes do either onesession or three session
packages.
And so the first session withthe three sessions will be
basically clearing either traumafrom this life or whatever they
wanna work on currently.
And then by the second session,we typically do a past life
session, and then we spread'emout about a week apart.

(27:12):
And then the third one isreinforcing the first two
sessions and doing another pastlife session or whatever they
want to focus on.
But it.
It depends on the person wherethey're at.
I find it really beneficial todo three sessions, especially if
there's some heavy stuff thatthey wanna work on.
And yeah, you know, comparing itto CL medicine is actually
really similar'cause it does alot of the si similar effects.

(27:36):
I think both are helpful.
They're both just tools.
All these modalities guys arejust tools like that you should
have or try in your toolbox thatmaybe hypnosis is right for you
now, but plant medicine might beright for you later on.
It just depends.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112 (27:50):
Yeah.
I think, I think you're spot onthere.
There's no right or wrong.
There's no either or.
Each modality is gonna resonatewith people differently, as you
said, at different points intheir lives.
And each modality is gonna.
Do something a little bitdifferent for people, you know,
and I've been, I've beenthinking about it and with as
much as I've gotten from doingpast life regression meditations

(28:11):
for myself and with my exextensive experience with
different forms of plantmedicine, quite often implant
medicine ceremonies and workingwith plant medicines, past life
stuff comes up anyway.
So, you know, just thinkingabout it, it's like, man, I, I
really believe that if, if morepeople understood how impactful

(28:33):
doing past life regressionmeditations were, especially
with somebody who's a skillsfacilitator, and if people
understood how much they couldreally get out of a past life
regression meditation, that, youknow, if you're thinking like
bang for your buck and like anayahuasca retreat, like, I, I
love ayahuasca.
It's such a, a beautiful healingmedicine.

(28:54):
And it's a real commitment.
In the, the preparation and it'sa very purgative sort of
medicine.
You have to travel for it.
There's legal considerationsthat you need to think about.
there's a lot that goes intothat and you are accessible via
zoom.
You, you can take somebody intooften a lot of the same places

(29:17):
that they would go in a plantmedicine ceremony in, in a very
comfortable setting and withexpert guidance and still being
able to help them withintegration on the backend.
And again, I'm, I've beenconsidering this for a while
now, and I think if peoplereally understood how much they
could get out of the kind ofwork that you do, especially in

(29:40):
like comparing with, plantmedicine, that, people would be
more More open to, to, workingwith, you and, and different
people who are facilitatingthese kind of ceremonies or
doing this kind of work.
So I, I'm curious as to, to yourthoughts around that.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182 (29:53):
Yeah.
A lot of people come to me frompsychics and their ceremonies
because past life stuff comes upand so psychics send a lot of
people to me, actually.
You know, I've, I've done thisin person and I online, and
after the first minute, youreyes are closed anyway, so as
long as you can hear my voice,it's like I'm right there.
So, you know, energy work.

(30:15):
On Earth, we're not that farapart compared to the whole
universe.
So we know it's, you know, itworks even if we're a thousand
miles away.
But really it, you know, I sendpeople a guided recording
beforehand as long as theylisten to that, follow my
instructions and areintentional.
It's seems to work with prettymuch everyone I've done this

(30:35):
with.
And it only takes really onesession.
We usually go to three pastlives and it's about two to two
and a half hours.
I record the session, they getto that to review afterwards so
they can be in the moment duringthe session.
We do some energy work whilewe're there in case anything
challenging comes up.

(30:56):
And a lot of times, you know,people feel so relieved and
transformed and, and focusedafterward.
And it's very rewarding for whatI do, and it seems like when I'm
struggling with something inlife I'll get a client who's
having the same issue, so I cansee it like a mirror reflected
and it's like, wow, how doesthis happen?
How does the universe know to dothis right now at the right

(31:19):
time?

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112 (31:20):
So, are there any people that you won't
work with?
I, I believe that everybody haspast lives.
It's in their unconscious andthere's part of their spirit.
Some people seem to have moreaccess to it or be able to
access those realms a littlebit, a a little bit easier, but,
are there any people that youchoose not to work with and, and

(31:42):
why?
Or, or are there any people orgroup of people that you would
not recommend going through thissort of a process?

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114 (31:50):
I like to meet everyone where
they're at.
It, a lot of my clients areactually really pretty spirit.
They find me from Instagram, sothey're, you know, I've had a
lot of like other practitionersand facilitators that even come
to me, so they've already kindof know, know what it is.
It's nice if you have somebackground in it, like read some
of the books about past lives,but I try to meet everyone where

(32:14):
they're at.
Even if you haven't donemeditation or hypnosis before,
it'll still work.
And, and we can still do, do asession So someone who would be
hard, harder to work with, andmaybe I wouldn't, is if someone
has extreme grief, like a lovedone just passed away, that's
like really tough.
That takes time.

(32:34):
And also if they're like bipolaror schizophrenic, if they
already have multiplepersonalities, I don't wanna
bring'em into another life withpersonalities.
I think you get confused about.
So yeah, that, but really it's,it's, it's a very gentle process
and it works universally.
So I've been through a lot ofdifferent situations.

(32:55):
So it's pretty universal.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112 (32:59):
Yeah.
And, and that makes total sense.
And again, there's a, a strongcorrelation and overlap with
plant medicine there.
'cause it's a very similar sortof a thing.
People can do it and you wannameet people where they're at.
And generally speaking, workingwith people who have, who've
been clinically diagnosed withschizophrenia or multiple
personality disorder or any sortof psychiatric diagnosis is,

(33:24):
generally, generally not advisedfor exactly the reason that you
said there.
So you've been doing this for awhile, so since you started, how
have things evolved for you?
So like, how do you look at thiswork now compared to how you
looked at it in the verybeginning?

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182 (33:42):
Well, since the very beginning it's
been successful and worked, andit's almost like a performance
when I'm there with them, I'mholding space and I'm, I'm, I'm
really guiding'em through and myvoice fluctuates to make sure
I'm, I'm always a hundredpercent, I always give 150% to
every client.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112 (34:01):
I was gonna say, it's, it's gotta be,
it's gotta be that voice.
That voice just carries them allthe way through.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_18211 (34:07):
so, and I've had some really ama, I
still remember some of my firstsessions that were just went
back to Atlantis or there were.
Dragon Shapeshifters or theywere in Lemuria or just wild
places.
And I'm like, whoa, this isopening up my mind more than I
can handle right now.
But really what I've realizedand what's changed is it doesn't

(34:29):
matter how elaborate theadventure is.
What matters is the healing theyget from it.
So they don't need to go on to acool life that they were the
emperor of Egypt for it to befun for me or, or them.
It, what's fun and what is mostmeaningful is if they release
the emotion or release the painthat they need to get rid of and

(34:52):
they find themselves empowered.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112 (34:55):
And now that you've had so many sessions
with people, are there any oneor two that stand out in
particular?
Like, wow, that's, that isreally unexpected.
my guess is that at this pointyou probably don't get surprised
very easily'cause just becauseyou've had so many experiences
with it.
But like, are there any, anykey.

(35:18):
Regressions that you've donewith people that, that you're
like, oh my gosh, like that's,that is something else.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182 (35:24):
Yeah, that's a great question.
I get.
Every session I get, I like, Ithink they're all special and
unique and it's every sessionI'm, I'm like, wow, I never
expected this or that.
And but how they, how peopleinterpret it as such a spectrum
though, because some people,it's like a knowing and a
feeling.
Other people, they're seeinglike this movie play out in

(35:44):
front of'em, like they'redreaming and I get glimpses.
I wouldn't say I'm in, you know,a psychic or intuitive, but I do
get glimpses when I'm, when I'mguiding people and stuff like
that.
So this one session I had awhile back was this, with this
young lady who's very spiritual.
She went into a life as a maleand I call this one the

(36:05):
Assassin's Creed.
'cause it reminded me of thatvideo game or movie.
And she was on this journey tohunt for this amulet.
I.
It, I don't think it was the arcof the covenant, I think it was
more like the holy grail or, orsomething like that.
But what hap what was happeningat the time was there was these
armies that were all searchingfor this special amulet that was

(36:29):
what she called it.
And she was like, this hunter orassassin that was along with
them.
And she was ahead of them.
And I said, are you, aren't youworried that the, the armies are
gonna find it before you?
And she's like, no, I know theterritory better.
I'm more trained.
I, I have all these skills thatthey don't have.
And she's like, looking at thearmy in a tree at nighttime,

(36:50):
scouting out where they're goingand what they're doing.
And she's like, sneaking aroundalong the riverside in the
canyon trying to get in front of'em and get to the treasure
before they are.
So it's like this treasure huntthat, it's like this movie
basically plot.
And so I go, all right.
Is, it's a be so it's nighttimeout.

(37:12):
What do you do next?
And she's like, she looks intothe sky and I see a shooting
star and it guides me to where Ineed to go.
And she goes to this house andthis person, she meets this
person in this house by seeing ashooting star.
And she meets this person.
They give her food and suppliesand help her on her way on this
long, long journey.
That's, you know, she's on foot'cause it's a thousand years ago

(37:36):
or more, I don't know.
And so she, she gets thesupplies and she climbs up this
mountain into this cave andfinds this amulet.
And when she holds it, her wholebody started vibrating.
And she was like, feeling all ofthese wonderful feelings, all
these wonderful ev It wouldbasically amplify any feeling

(37:59):
that the person had that washolding it by a thousand.
it would amplify it out into thesurrounding area.
Like your heart has a like a.
Electromagnetic field.
That's what was happening.
So she was holding it and it waslike, really powerful.
And she's like, I'm like, oh,great.
You have it.
What are you gonna do with it?
She's like, well, right now,humanity's not ready for this.

(38:23):
They're not ready.
They would use it for bad, theywould use it for evil.
The person that found it wouldfinally get it, and they would
do good things with it.
And I said, okay, what are yougonna do with it?
She said, I'm gonna, I'm gonnahide it.
And so she took it, she put itin a, in a basket or in, in a
cloth, and took it, and sheclimbed up.

(38:47):
She got outta there.
The army didn't find her.
She went into another cavesystem that was miles and miles
away and hid it in a cave.
And then I said, how are yougonna find it?
She's like, I, I made a map.
So she made a map, and this map,she said she made.
I said, okay, you made a map.
Where'd you put the map?

(39:08):
'cause I wanted to find thisthing, right?
And so she put this map and toaccess the map, you need to go
through a portal.
And I said, how do you getthrough the portal?
She's like, you have to vibrateat the right frequency, so,
okay, so it's safe.
She's like, yeah.
I said, are humans ready forthis amulet now?

(39:28):
And she's like, yes, we areready.
So it's safe to find it.
She's like, yes, we could.
It's still there.
And that, that was, that waskind of, the rest of that was
kind of the a, you know, theplot of the session.
And it was very memorable.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112 (39:47):
It's quite a, yeah, quite a story and
wow.
I am sure you have a, a lot ofstories to tell.
I think of it as the infiniteonion.
Like there are so many layersand each one of them may not be
Assassin's Creed.
'cause I, I know I've certainlyaccessed past life memories
where I was like a, a breadmaker and that's all I did.

(40:09):
And it wasn't glamorous, butthere was emotion there.
I had family and there, therewas certainly, I believe a
reason that I had to go back tobeing that little old lady bread
maker in Italy.
It was just, you know, like yousaid earlier, I, I trust that if
something comes up that there'sa reason for me to see it.
And that was one of the reasonswhy I stopped doing as many pest

(40:31):
life regression meditations as Ihad at one point.
I was, doing them a lot.
I, I finally got to the pointwhere it's like why am I even
doing this?
I'm getting information, but it,it doesn't necessarily have a
bearing on my life right now.
So I just kind of.
Came to the point where it'swhere I said, I trust that the
universe is gonna provide me,you know, when the timing is

(40:54):
right.
And if I need to learn somethingand I need to access something
to release it or whatever, Itrust that the universe will let
me know and bring me to where Ineed to go and facilitate that
experience.
I don't necessarily have to keepgoing after it and digging and
digging and digging.
So I'm wondering with people whowork with you and, maybe even a

(41:14):
skeptic or somebody who doesn'tthis is a very eye-opening
experience for them andsomething that's way out of
their comfort zone.
Do people who have theseexperiences with you are, are
they opened up in a sense?
Does it get easier for them to.
Have these experiences later on,or do they start to have them
spontaneously?
Or do they find that they, thatin some, one way or another,

(41:37):
that it can unlock certainabilities or, skills that they
might have.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182 (41:43):
Yeah, definitely unlocking hidden
talents is one for sure.
'cause we've lived hundreds ifnot thousands of lifetimes and
we've learned and honed in onsome of these skills and we,
carry those to lifetimes thatmaybe we're a natural at a
psychic or reiki or one of theseskills or just being a good
parent, you know, is important.

(42:04):
So there's a lot of lifelifetimes that people are,
they're on a mission and they'reon the, these missions all the
time and they don't have timefor family.
And that's why they go to alifetime where they were just at
a family and they were a mundanefarmer and.
The family was the mostimportant thing to them that
lifetime.
So we need balance.

(42:27):
it, it, it just depends.
But I do see that if you've hadglimpses or deja vu or
remembered your past lives, atsome point we can dive deeper
into them with a session.
So even people that can accessthem or like are somewhat
psychic can come to me and weget more like, we're more

(42:48):
productive, I guess you'd say.
Sometimes they can go off intothe la la land and kind of veer
off, but with a session.
We'll, we'll stay on course andI'll guide you to the right
scenes that are most beneficialfor you so we can dive deeper
into these dreams or glimpsesthat you've had.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112 (43:05):
I think that's a really good point, and
I'd never considered that and Ihadn't really thought of it that
way, but in my personalexperience, sometimes I'll get
little flashes here and there ifsomething's happening.
And I've been experiencing my,experiencing it my whole life.
And now I recognize when I'mhaving an emotion that doesn't
seem to fit the context of mylife, I'm like, okay, is this

(43:28):
coming from right now?
Or something that's still notresolved from a past life?
For example, I've been listeningto the telepathy tapes.
Are you aware of that podcast?

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_18211 (43:41):
Oh, I don't think so.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112 (43:43):
the, the premise of it is basically
this woman discovers thatnon-speaking autistics.
They have spiritual skills and alot of them have telepathic
abilities, and people presumethat there's nobody in there
because their bodies aren'tworking.
But there is a, like a verycompetent, very intelligent

(44:04):
person on the inside that has nocontrol over their body.
And people are starting to learnthese different ways to
communicate with them andbasically unlock their ability
for these really incredible,brilliant people to express
themselves.
Usually, usually like, like wellinto their teen years,

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114 (44:22):
It makes a lot of sense because in,
in my work in, well, DoloresCannon talks about how souls you
think soul.
A lot of us think that, oh, Iwant a beautiful body and I
wanna be rich, but actuallysouls line up for disabled
bodies, autistic they line upfor dis because you can clear
more karma.
And so they're realizing thatthese level five level, like

(44:43):
really high level souls areincarnated into these bodies and
you see, see them and they'realways happy, right?
The the mentally challengedthey're so happy.
I wish I was that happysometimes.
Right?
And they're high level souls.
That's why they're clearingtheir car.
A lot of karma that way.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112 (45:02):
Yeah, and this podcast has been
blowing my mind, and I highlyrecommend anybody who's, who's
interested.
I can't think of a moreimpactful podcast or movie or
piece of media that I've, orbook that I've consumed and
interacted with in a long time.
And throughout this podcast,She's, you know, relaying some
of the experiences of these nonsspeakers and what it's like to

(45:24):
not be understood or to bepresumed that you're not
competent.
And I've been experiencing justrecently as I'm listening to it,
this, this intense upwelling ofemotion.
And I've, I've had theseexperiences before enough to
know that, oh man, I, I have tobelieve that there's something
there.
Like in, in a past life, I thinkI was, in that sort of a state

(45:48):
trapped in a body where Icouldn't, where everybody
thought that there was nobodyhome.
But I was just in there bymyself and.
I like just about every episode,I, I well up with tears and
there's, I don't know how elseto explain it.
And there's no context.
I'm doing the dishes, trying notto cry when I'm hearing this
woman talk about, these nonsspeakers and their experience,

(46:10):
and it just resonates on such adeep level that, I just know
that there's something there andI'm not consciously aware of it
coming full circle with what Iwas saying, like, working with
you and like your ability to befocused in your approach and ask
the right questions to getresults for people and to find
some sort of resolution.

(46:30):
Like I, I'm thinking I mightneed to have a session with you
sometime soon, because while,yeah, I, I recognize that, this
probably has something to dowith the past life.
I haven't been able tonecessarily.
Bring myself through a, processthat allows me to, get the
understanding and learnsomething from it.
To what you said, yeah.
Having somebody there to, evenif you are somebody who can

(46:54):
access past lives, and thatdoesn't necessarily mean that
you're getting everything youpossibly could or learning the
lessons that are there andhaving some support and having a
guy there to help you isprobably gonna be invaluable
and, and help you to really getthe most out of it even if you
can't access those spaces.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182 (47:14):
Yeah.
I dive into it.
I use my intuition to guide usto meaningful moments and scenes
and, yeah.
'cause since I've done this somany times, I, you know, just by
my experience, I know where,what would be most beneficial
most of the time.
And then I, beyond that, I, Iuse my improv or intuition to go
other places, like the lady whofollowed the star to see the,

(47:37):
find the person who, who did youknow, she met someone.
Another note on that also iswhen we go into our past
experiences, I.
We might think, like if we're achild, we might think like a
child, if we're really negative,we might have some of that
negative essence come over usduring the session.
So you might be tapping intothat mentally challenged part of

(47:59):
you.
So the thoughts won't be asclear at some point.
Right.
Is that maybe what's happening?
I don't.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112 (48:09):
As you're saying that, that's
resonating.
That's really resonating becauseI'm,'cause I'm, I'm not getting
any.
Any images or like, I, I'm notgetting any sort of clues that I
would normally get any moreinformation.
It's just a really strongemotion and almost as if, I

(48:30):
don't have language developed orthat faculty of being able to,
maybe I was blind or something.
Maybe, maybe I didn't have theability to visualize things and
I was more focused on, on myfeelings and my emotions were
more pronounced.
That, as you say, that, likethat makes sense as to why it's,
got an unu usually intenseemotional bend to it and feel

(48:55):
when those things come up Ihadn't considered that.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182 (48:58):
Yeah, sometimes we tap into that, the
feeling or, or that what wewould feel like if we were that
young child, we wouldn't be ableto use all our words or describe
things.
We would be more emotional.
I had someone who was who was areally, there, there were like
an emperor, a bad emperor or abad, you know, they led their
troops into like a death andthey all died and they were

(49:21):
still like very shameful orguilt from it.
And they could, that would comeout during the session.
They were just so sad about it.
And they were dishonored becauseit was in the east and that they
just, their tone of voiceshifted.
And so that, yeah, that comesout.
And speaking of tone of voice, alot of times people's voices
will change, like their tone ofvoice will change completely.

(49:44):
Especially, I've had this happenevery now and then where
collective consciousness talksthrough the person, especially
if I ask to speak to theirhigher selves.
Because after, you know, 3Dwe're in 3D.
Once we go to five D after fiveD, it's like all collective
consciousness.
We can't hide anything anymore.
And then we have access to likethe internet basically.

(50:07):
We're all, imagine your mind islike a computer right now and
it's not connected.
And then.
We're gonna be connectedeventually, and we'll have
access to the AI or all theinformation.
So this collective consciousnessis, is very common.
After we evolve.
So it'll come through andthey'll say, we are the collect,
what's your name?
They're like, we don't have aname.
We are the collective.

(50:27):
We are many.
And I'm like, whoa, okay.
Tell, tell me more.
But the voice has completelyshifted to a different tone.
And, and you can tell it's, it'sdifferent.
So then I can ask, ask aquestions extremely fast, and
it'll just answer right away andjust gimme all this knowledge.
That's really fascinating whenthat happens during a session.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112 (50:48):
that reminds me of the the raw
material and Law of one, what hewould call a social memory
complex.
Exactly what you described, likea merging of all memories for a
certain group of people that'sokay.
All knowing and has access to avast amount of information that,
is one individual wouldn'tnecessar necessarily have, but

(51:10):
they're kind of tethered to, orthat's what you would call like
the higher octaves of the higherself.
That is really fascinating when,like, I've never experienced
that personally, but I, I canonly imagine when something like
that happens, you're like, oh,here we go.
Like, let, I've got somequestions lined up.
Let's see what's going on.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182 (51:27):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so anyone who's listeningwho hasn't heard of the law of
one is.
RA law of one is reallyimportant.
Channeling session.
That was like in the seventies,right?
And it, they channeled thiscollective energy and got a vast
amount of data.
And what is so cool about whatwe do here is it all correlates.

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The plant medicine correlateswith past lives, children's past
lives, near death.
Experiences report similarthings happening beyond the veil
book, ancient books by gurus, yoyoga, ndis, autobiography of a
Yogi.
All kinds of things correlate.
So it's not just one thing thatwe're talking about here, but if
you actually investigate andspend hours and really

(52:12):
intentional about this can findthat there's so much out there.
It's, and it all correlates, soit makes it more valid.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112 (52:20):
yeah, yeah.
Like Walter Russell, there's somany people have written on
different aspects of the samething.
they're looking at the same sortof phenomena, the same sort of,
you know.
Phenomenon consciousness that weexperience, but different
people, different lineages, theyexpress it and they've, you
know, they look at it and have adifferent perspective on it.

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But often, as you said, there'sa lot of correlation.
There's a lot of overlap and alot of similarities in these
mystical and esoteric andmetaphysical another thing that
I'm really curious about is, Iknow in a lot of the, the books
where they explore past livesmany lives, many masters journey
of souls, they talk about thetime in between lives.

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I find that in incrediblyfascinating.
So I, I'd love to hear your,from your personal experience,
what your beliefs are and youknow what people are telling you
about the time before and aftera life.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182 (53:16):
Yeah, think that's a deep question.
I'd like to get your theories onthat too.
I mostly do go to past lives.
However, I've gone in betweenlives several times and what
I've experienced is after,almost always after we drop the
body or we leave the body, thedeath scene, they imagine

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they're floating up'cause Iguess the ground's below them.
So they float up, they can seethemselves, right?
They're almost always met bytheir spirit guides.
And or close family member fromthat lifetime, aunt, uncle,
father, grandpa, something likethat.
And sometimes it's like ashocking, like if you jump in
cold water, you'll be like,whoa, what just happened?

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And that would be more like amurder or a death unexpectedly.
That would be more of like aghost would have that emotion.
And so that's what ghosts are.
If they're emotional, they don'tknow what happened.
And they're so emotional, theydon't wanna leave yet.
'cause we have free will.
We don't have to go up, but it'sfor our highest good to.
'cause then I'll explain whathappens next, but that's what,

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so ghosts can haunt the place.
Ghosts are normally people thathave incarnated, that have died
unexpectedly and like murder.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112 (54:30):
I, I think a, a lot of times they
don't realize that they're dead.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182 (54:33):
Yeah.
They don't,

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112 (54:35):
either it's so sudden or they just
weren't expecting it at all andthey don't realize that they're
not in their physical bodyanymore.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_1821 (54:45):
Yep.
Yep.
And they're, they're saying it,they're, it's not fair, or, or
if they do, it's emotional andit's not fair and they don't
wanna leave right away.
How could this happen to me?
Things like that.
So with, with the clearings.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112 (54:57):
they're looking for something or
something's unresolved that theyhave to do yet, so they're like,
they're trying to, they'retrying to complete whatever
they're trying to do here.
Yeah.
absolutely.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182 (55:06):
Yeah.
So with clearings you can talkto them intentionally with reiki
or with intentionally.
so anyway that you're met.
And you're given a choice to goup and so what happens after,
from my experiences.
We meet with our spirit guideand or a close relative from
that life.
Someone who we, we wouldrecognize and know and make us
feel good.

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Advanced souls just shoot rightup.
They shoot right up.
And I'm describing this like aplace, but there isn't like a
actual physical place.
It's more like a differentdimension.
And then we go to a place ofhealing for, from earth trauma.
There's a lot of trauma we gethere on Earth.
So we gotta alleviate ourselvesand heal from our earth trauma.

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And that could take a while.
After that, we meet with ourspirit group, our group, I
mentioned earlier, like-mindedsouls, but 10 to 12 souls that
meet up in the spirit realm and,and work on different things.
We can go to the Akashic recordsand do more research and look up
things and.

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Prepare, you know, work onthings that we might need to do
and for the next incarnationsthen we get ready to incarnate
again.
And so to get ready to incarnateagain, we meet with our council.
And I actually forgot one thing.
We do meet with our council todo a life audit.
So we kind of critique our life.
We experience if we were mean tosomeone, we experience us being

(56:33):
mean to them in their shoes.
So that's where karma comes intoplay.
Where we should be n treat eachother like they're ourselves in
reverse situation.
We should be nice to each other'cause we're going to experience
how we treated that personeventually.
And even animals.
So it's so.

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You know, that's, that's karma.
So we should be, you know, wecritique ourselves and we meet
with our council, see how wedid?
There's no purgatory.
There's no hell from myexperience at least.
But we are our own biggestcritic.
And so then we'll get ready forour next incarnation, which we
meet with our council again, andthey'll give us a choice, kind

(57:16):
of a say in you know, what are,what your sole contract, what
challenges do you wanna face?
And what bodies would give youthe best opportunity to learn
those lessons?
So maybe we pick between threeto five options.
So it could be this person, thiswoman in Italy, and learn the
violin.
Or I could be in Florida andthis man and I could be, you

(57:36):
know, work out a lot or I coulddo this or that, depending on
what we wanna do next time.
And finally we do pick somesomeone and.
We incarnate, we get ready toincarnate again, and we come
into the body.
And this is a question I'vealways asked is, when does the
soul enter the body and whendoes the soul enter the body?

(57:59):
From my experience, it's betweenthe sixth and eighth month.
You know, we leave every nightwhen we sleep.
So the bo it's, they say that wewould get bored if we were just
there for so long.
So we enter the body betweenthat time to get used to the
body, that baby body, the neuropathways we can enter early,
especially to learn differentlessons if the baby doesn't make

(58:22):
it or something like that tocomfort the mother.
But then we enter the body andgo from there.
It's not set in stone.
I have some experience.
I know it's, it could be somecompletely different, so I'm not
saying this is exact, but from alot of different clients.
That's kind of what I gathered.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112 (58:42):
I mean, from my personal experience, you
hit all the milestones, all thethings that happen and you know
when you're in that space.
You when you're in the, in, inthe next higher octave.
When you're in, the spacebetween lives in that place and
in that realm, like time doesn'texist there.

(59:02):
So, what you just experienced inearth terms can seem almost in
instantaneous, but becauseyou're there, like you, you're,
there's not linear time there.
So it, it, it's, it's just adifferent perception of of the
passing of time because it, itdoesn't really exist in that
realm.
And, it's really comforting andbeing able to reconnect with

(59:25):
people that passed away duringyour life that were meaningful
to you.
And, being able to have peoplewho are I.
Who are looking after your lifeand helping you, like what you
would call spirit guides or, youknow, we're often associate or
often called spirit guides orspirit team, they're not pulling
your strings like a marionette,but my interpretation of it is

(59:47):
that they're kind of whisperingin your ear from time to time.
Like, Hey, don't forget to dothat.
Like, hey, remember, rememberthis thing you were, you're
supposed to go talk to thatperson and meet that person, or
it's time to quit this job.
Or it's time to leave thisrelationship because remember,
like you still got other thingsto do and there is free will
involved.
we do have free will and thereis a, blueprint or a, a sort of

(01:00:11):
pathway or a set of objectivesthat we come into this life with
that we ourselves choose.
You might not choose exactly howwe enter into each situation or
all the circumstances aroundthem or.
Like the exact timeframes atwhich they happen in our lives,
because again, we do have freewill.
But, but yeah, we, we areentirely responsible for the

(01:00:34):
major circumstances in ourlives.
And I think if more peopleunderstood that, like it, it's
really empowering.
It's like you can look at yourlife and say, no, I chose this.
I chose all of the challengesthat I'm experiencing, like the
major challenges that I'mexperiencing.
I've chosen all my skills andabilities, all the things that I

(01:00:55):
am that I feel like I'm good at.
I chose that.
And the things that I am thatmay be more challenging, those
are opportunities.
These are areas where if Iimprove here, I'm going to be
able to ascend and, be more agreater help to humanity and,
fulfill my purpose in a greaterway.
Looking at it from that aspect,a a couple of things for me that

(01:01:17):
have changed my life is like thefear of death and for my, not
only myself, but for the peoplearound me.
I recognize people in my life.
It's like, oh yeah, we, we weretogether in a past life and
we're gonna continue to betogether in, lives in the
future, in different roles.
It keeps things interesting andexciting and it's helped

(01:01:37):
alleviate the existential fearof death because I know that
this is just a step in a processthis a part of the wheel of
life.
That being said, I can't denythat there is a, physical like
instinctual drive to live.
So where if I'm putting in, putin a very dangerous situation.
Fear does come up, but on a, onanother level.
But I think that's to beexpected.

(01:01:59):
You can have that understandingof a broader perspective on life
and the soul and still be in thehuman body.
That is a result of anevolutionary process that does
still have instinctual drivesand mechanisms inside of it that
are built in to keep you safe.
They're not mutually exclusive.
You can be both.

(01:02:19):
And, and having theunderstanding of the afterlife d
isn't necessarily gonna negateor erase the millennia of
evolution.
That, these bodies e evolve tosurvive.
And I think that's part of our,challenge is to, is to learn how
to, to

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_1821 (01:02:36):
Find balance.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112 (01:02:37):
Yeah, find a balance.
Learn how to navigate in whatwe, under, what we understand in
this limited body.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182 (01:02:46):
Yeah, yeah.
Wow.
Yeah, that was really deep.
We, we can't always bemeditating all day and we can't
just be in the 3D all the timeeither.
Right.
So, on the Hawkins scale ofenlightenment is really good.
It's kind of like, Maslow'shierarchy of needs, if you guys
haven't seen it before, look upHawkins Skilled Enlightenment,
and it starts off with sufferingdown here in the, in the very

(01:03:08):
bottom and hatred and anger.
And then up here is more like.
Neutrality, but then there'spride and enlightenment and joy
and happiness and that's kind ofhow our consciousness is too.
If we are trying to get awayfrom a tiger or running for our
lives, we can't be in the higherelevated states of

(01:03:28):
consciousness.
So we need that balance.
Yeah.
And one other thing I was justwanted to mention too is it's
okay to ask for help and ask forour guides to help us in our, in
our higher self.
Because if we don't, they can'tinterfere.
So they, there's like thisuniversal law, they can't help

(01:03:49):
us unless imagine them looking,we're like in this labyrinth or
maze right now and they'relooking down at us and they know
all, they know what we should donext, but they can't like tell
us'cause that wouldn't be fair.
That's not what we signed upfor.
We came into this body withamnesia and I.
We have to navigate things withour own free will.
With our own.
It's more, it's better that waytoo, if we don't know the rules

(01:04:11):
and we just do things.
If you're just nice to someone,'cause you like to be nice, is
way better than if someone tellsyou to be nice, right?
So,

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112 (01:04:18):
Yeah, it's not virtuous To be, kind to
somebody and help them becauseyou don't have any other choice.
It's like the, the choice is thevirtue.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182 (01:04:25):
yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112 (01:04:27):
Wow, this has been an incredibly
enlightening and, wonderfulconversation.
I'm so appreciative of what youdo.
And to be able to hold space forpeople in the way that you do
and approach this work withgenuine curiosity, is a very
special skill.
And it takes a special kind of aperson.
'cause if somebody's notcomfortable around you, or they

(01:04:49):
sense some kind of ulteriormotive, their unconscious mind
is gonna prevent you from goingdeep and getting the results and
knowing that you've worked withso many people and have had
like, such great results withpeople and consistently with all
kinds of different people youknow, without even knowing you
very well.
It's a, like a green flag forme, and a clear indicator like

(01:05:09):
this person approaches this workwith integrity and, a place of
non-judgment, which is crucialin, in holding this kind of
space for people.
And, the additional skills thatyou bring to the table in
addition to the, the hypnohypnotherapy and hypnosis and
being able to take people there.
I think it's, it's incrediblyspecial.
And I am like, I'm so thankfulthat there are people like you

(01:05:32):
out there doing what you do,helping to assist other people
in accessing these parts ofthemselves.
That's all it is.
It's gaining a greaterunderstanding of oneself through
this practice and this modality.
So, Jonathan thank you so much.
All of your for anybody who'swatching all of Jonathan's,
contact information is gonna bedown in the show notes at his

(01:05:54):
website, how you can reach outto him to get more information
about what he does to book asession.
I'm gonna give you themicrophone at the very end.
What's the best way for peopleto, to connect with you and are
there any things that you'd liketo share as we get ready to part
ways here?

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_18211 (01:06:07):
Oh, man.
Yeah, it's been really fun and Iappreciate what you do and I
think we're on the same missionin, in mine is to ra help raise
people's consciousness, helpexpand people's minds and
empower them.
And through this work, I'vefound is a very effective and
efficient way to do it.
I'm just lucky I finally found,I've tried so many different

(01:06:27):
things.
I was in sales, I was in so manydifferent things in, in life.
And so guys out there if youaren't happy with your job or,
or something like that, justkeep doing different things
until you find what you lovebecause it's so meaningful and
it's, it's not easy.
It's hard, but.
Anything worth having is worthworking hard for.
So, don't give up.
You got this, you've incarnatedonce you can do it again and be

(01:06:51):
the change you wish to see inthe world.
So I had a lot of fun.
And if you haven't checked outhis other episodes, you know,
they're really good.
He is had a lot of greatspiritual people on, so check
them out too.

ian_1_03-04-2025_17211 (01:07:04):
Awesome.
Jonathan, thank you so much.
And I, I have a feeling, andthis won't be the last time that
we do one of these, so I am,yeah.
I'm looking forward to, to thenext time we get an, an
opportunity to talk andeverybody out there who's
listening, thank you.
Take care and be well.